 Mae neighbour Ymddur, Aoran Teryrysg, Hyrdsman a'r Nôr Gwnmen. Y Llyfr geisio Cyfrwyng Hygrifedd ymddur a'r cyfrwyng. Mae'r cyfrwyng ar gwrthoedd, ymddur, a'r cyfrwyng, yn ystod yn ddod y dyfodol. Mae'r cyfrwyng ymddur yn gyfroedd oedd y cyfrwyng ac yn gyfrwyng ar y cyfrwyng. A oes y Prif Weinidog Bihari a'r cyfrwyng ar y cyfrwyng, Mae'r rathredu i'w ddweud yn gysylltio. Felly, i bobl y syrraedd o ddygu'r ddeil Queensau a Prydydd yr unrhyw gyfrif. Mae'n inventor butio Roi Warray. Mae'n dweithio y cyd-daisol o Gwair Lleig Ghaesdy. D AG wydd gwaith, Mr Warray, o agor. Dwi'n ei ddiwedd egyikrannu mor hyn. Llywodraeth wedi'u o'ch gadael hynny, mae'n cael ei fod yn oed, mae'n iddynt o'r reikio gydydd i'r gyfrif, oherwydd gyda ni'n ffwrdd i'r digwydd. I mean, recently, Dr Solomon Winning, who is the Chairman National Restoration Party, NRP, in his Independence Day message, said that the only thing that we need that can help us out of this insecurity that we're facing in Nigeria is divine intervention. But I really wonder, are we going to wait for God to come down and fight the war against insecurity? I think outside of biblical accounts, there's no recorded historical event when the Lord himself came down physically to stop such the things that are going on in Nigeria. So I think we've got to be more practical. Yes, prayers help, but prayers along with the plan I think is what we need. And we have to accept the fact that this sudden, almost viral spread of security has taken everybody by surprise. Even the authorities and the various agencies or institutions that have been set up to fight or to control insecurity has taken everybody by surprise and the spread has been so rapid. I mean, Kaduna is off the network today as a means of fighting the terrorists or bandits or whatever we call them and to keep them from communicating. Zamfara has been off the grid for a couple of weeks. Sokoto was attacked the day before. The other day was the dreadful brutal killing of Professor Akili. In Lagos, there was a kidnap or two. I mean, it's extraordinary the spread at which, you know, the speed at which it has spread, etc. And for me, the only answer, the reason we have government is that they just have to find a way to bring this thing under control. Nobody else has the authority to do it. We don't want to rely on non-state actors, which is becoming increasingly the case. So I think the government just has to, I can understand in a way, in a manner why insurgency is proving so difficult to deal with. Everybody thought the army has the power to deal with any kind of violence. But this is, we are now in the age of asymmetrical warfare. Our army traditionally was trained to face other armies and protect territorial integrity. Now they are compelled to fight asymmetric battles within the country against people who are not like a regular army, who do not wear uniforms, who do not look any different from the regular citizens. And that's going to be a challenge. So it has taken the army time, I think, to change its doctrine, to change the kind of weaponry it needs, the type of training, etc. But the first line of defence, which is the police, is the one we haven't concentrated much on. The police today is just intrinsically unable to deal with the sheer scale of crime and banditry and murder, as you said, and so on, that we have today. So we have to look at the police because the army is not designed to deal with internal security. So we have to re-look at the police. We have to free up the resources. We should stop VIP protection as a basis of which to fight crime and let the police be able to function within their various structures and divisions and so on. So my first thought is that the government has to recommit itself. Sometimes governments in Nigeria have been overly political or they've been ambivalent about what exactly is going on, etc. But the law is clear. Anybody who breaks the law, no matter your status, no matter your tribe, no matter your social arrangements, must be made to face the law. So I think if we can politicise a little and build up maybe a stronger strategy and remind ourselves that if this continues for the next five years, Nigeria will be broke. Talking about that, there's a research that surfaced recently that says that the world risks a humanitarian crisis of 200 million people as a result of insecurity. If nothing is done to stem it down. Now I always ask why, because this issue of insurgency is not peculiar to Nigeria. It's a problem in the Sahel of Africa. And even as far as Mozambique. Exactly. But I'm wondering, it did not start today and I'm talking specifically about the banditry that we're dealing with today. How did we let it get to this point where we're now trying to look for ways to stem it when we could have done something early enough? Like I said, our institutions are trained to deal with specific threats. I don't think anybody was able to anticipate the spread. I'm sorry to button, but this did start as a threat of sorts. Many raised alarms and then at the time when these alarms were raised, they were termed to be political and it was coming from certain people who were trying to divide the question. That's what I said, that the approach has sometimes been political. Even the naming of the perpetrators as bandits rather than terrorists. Some people saw as political. Now the Senate is asking the government to declare the bandits terrorists. That's because it's a different approach. When you call somebody a bandit, if you've ever been interested in stories of the old West in the United States in the days of what were Billy the Kid and all the other. The word bandit was almost, you know, was almost, what's the word now? It was almost looked upon with some kind of admiration, but a terrorist is a terrorist and then you can call in all the other world groups etc to help you. So I think the approach is very important. The approach we have adopted. We felt from 2009 when we first started battling Boko Haram, which was then perhaps the only insurgent group in Nigeria. We thought we had enough military force to dispose of them. Perhaps if we hadn't killed their leader then we might not be in the situation we're in now. But we've gone past that now. I honestly don't think that anybody, both those who want and those who are in the position to listen, I don't think anybody expected. Mr Wari, just to put a cap on this issue because we're almost out of time, former President Goodlock Jonathan has been quoted to say in his message also to Nigerians for the 61st independence. He has said that we must all join hands in securing the nation. Sheikh Gumi has also said that he was quoted to say that Nigerians must bear the responsibility for insecurity in the country. But let's really look at how serious and the body language of our government in dealing with this insecurity. How sincere is the government? And I'm not just talking about government at the federal level. I'm talking about the states where this insecurity is going on. Are they really sincere in dealing with this insecurity? And if they are, how soon can we see this becoming a thing of the past? Let's be clear. The states have little capacity to deal with security at this level. This is a federal obligation, although the states have supported in many ways in terms of resources and so on and some social programs. But I want us to discount, at least from my perspective, what Gumi is saying because I really never understand what he's saying. But certainly the citizens of Nigeria have been a bit passive. Most wars in history have been fought with the support of civilians. The government can't keep funding this war by itself. So my view is that we should start thinking about security bonds, floating bonds which are repairable in say 20, 30 years with which we can finance the war. More importantly, I think for the police, it's time to free up the over 100,000 armed VIP protection officers and send them into the field where they can secure the space for everybody and not just for a selected few. I think sometimes our priorities are a bit funny and we need to review a lot of the programs that we have in terms of dealing with insecurity. Well, Mr Foller, Arthur Warray is a former Solicitor General of Lagos Stage. We really want to appreciate you for being part of this conversation and happy independence. Thank you very much. Sorry for the technical problems. No problem. Thank you so much. I want to thank every single person who has been part of this conversation because we are almost out of time. But I'd like to admonish every Nigerian. The journey to building the Nigeria that we all want, the Nigeria that we all want to leave for our children, begins with us all. All hands must be on deck. You, I, your neighbour, the next man, whatever ethnicity they belong to. It is our Nigeria and we cannot build it if we're all not coming together to do it. I am Mary Anna Cunn. Have a good evening. Happy Independence Day.