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We will now call this meeting to order and we will start with our board interview Adam City Clerk. Will you please call roll? Thank you mayor Councilmember staff here councilmember Rogers here councilmember O'Crepkey here councilmember Fleming here councilmember Alvarez Vice mayor McDonald here and mayor Rogers Let the record show all council members are present with the exception of councilmember Alvarez We're going to go ahead and invite our panelists to come down to interview at the table here We're gonna start off with our first First interview and I'm sorry, sir. Could you help me with the pronunciation of your name? Is it far-bought? What's your last name? Asap Nia Please come down. Thank you We're gonna go ahead and let you self-introduce and give us a little bit of background about yourself And then we'll dive into our questions. How's my sound good? My name is far-bought. Asap Nia I am a longtime senator was resident. I went to a school high school at Montgomery Sanders a JC, and I'm currently attending Sonoma State University as business business finance major and I am a son and family member of Immigrants and business owners here in downtown Santa Rosa Asa of Supplyance is on 4th Street We my family has been in business for many many years probably 30 some odd years and I remember growing up Going to the store downtown and seeing old staple stores of downtown like Sawyer's news the luggage store and There's a few things that I learned from my dad and my uncle running the store And is that the way they helped our community to reduce waste and also to preserve Their their precious belongings bite by repairing them and keeping them in their family So in that spirit, I am here in front of you interviewing for the finance public authority position Thank you so much. I'm gonna go ahead and start with counsel to see if they have any questions for you Thank you Councilmember Rogers Yeah, absolutely. Thank you so much for for being here and shown an interest There's a lot of boards and commissions that the city has Why this one for you? What was it about this position that really spoke to you and if not this position? Ultimately, are you interested in other things in other ways to be involved? Absolutely. That's a great question Earlier this year I had an opportunity to Be a Volunteer tax preparer with the United Way serving low-income families here in Sonoma County and I would say What brings me to this point is a convergence of a few things in my life I started my career earlier and take in banking here at exchange bank locally I worked there for many years and I went on to Entrepreneurship doing what what based tech and entrepreneurship and I found my way and my love and my passion for finance and I decided to go back to school and So I'm pursuing my degree in finance So a combination of my background my education and the joy that public service brought me earlier this year I find this position to be a perfect position for me And is this the absolute only position that I could do or in qualify for no and I hope to do more in the future Councilmember Fleming. Thank you for your application and thank you for the service that you and your family provide It brings us so much joy and I'm glad that it's what a mix of our downtown to have something so practical useful and in line With our goals as a council And I hope if this is not the position that you get that you apply for many others. I'm sure we can put you to use That's good. Thank you so much. Hey, I think that concludes our questions. Thank you so much for coming today We appreciate it everyone for your time. Thanks We'll now move to mr. Ferchel We'll make sure your microphones on Good afternoon councilman Would you like to go ahead and do a self introduction for us mr. Fertrell sure, thank you very much Thank you for the opportunity to interview for this position to start start with Sporn in Santa Rosa went away to school went to University of California eventually came back here in my late 20s to work You all are generally familiar with the business that I do which is planning development building asset managers Over the years we've reoriented ourselves pretty heavily to urban development, especially in the city of Santa Rosa But along with that has come a major commitment to public service Redevelopment agency chair housing authority member city council appointed Negotiator between mobile home park owners and residents to create the rent control ordinance that was eventually created Charter review committee two terms this As a school board member three terms as school board president Variety of nonprofit organizations in the downtown area the board of main street Santa Rosa deeply involved in the committee to reunify the Cordell Square Chair of the downtown action organization Vice chair of the River square association as I as I was until January 1st And in the area of the EIFD a very very close environment Beginning with the arrangement worked out with the former city manager to provide a pro bono illustrative example of an EIFD study To show what its potential it could be and close involvement since then my commitment to Santa Rosa is Is intense and my commitment to downtown is is intense as well And in whatever way the council may judge now or in the future that I can most assist this effort I would be happy to to help Thank you so much. We'll go ahead and move to questions councilmember Rogers Thank you so much and thank you mr. Fetrell. Can you just in really simple terms explain How the EIFD works and why it's so important for downtown Santa Rosa, right? so in the state legislature Eliminated redevelopment agencies that removed a major economic development tool From cities and counties through throughout California and ultimately the legislature Decided to replace it with something that was called enhanced infrastructure financing district And that is a tool that cities or cities and counties can use to establish a district And as of a certain date the increased tax revenues that flow from the properties within that district Can be set aside For infrastructure development not to do those things which cities are already supposed to be doing Not to do those things which private developers are supposed to be doing as a condition of their projects But to do those value additive things that can make a district Rich and effective now the council's conscious that there may ultimately be one in the Roseland area as well as Santa Rosa So that's just a generic description of how EIFD's work in terms of downtown Santa Rosa One can envision a future in which the major corridors Four street from one end to the other Including in the railroad square side B Street the Santa Rosa Avenue Wilson Street are transformed into promenades lighting Parklets outdoor dining and Also, the EIFD allows dollars for affordable housing and other kinds of assistance in some respects It's a more flexible tool than even redevelopment was does not require for example the finding of blight But it does require there was a decision to allocate some of the future tax revenues to allow bonds or other financial Instruments to be issued in order to pay for those those infrastructure improvements new lighting new sidewalks Planting all those things that can create downtown as it as an attractive enlivening energetic very special place so that everyone in the community can view this as something special And if I can Councilmember Rogers, I would add one other thing. This isn't just an economic development tool This is a social community tool that ties the entirety of the community to our downtown so that it is a Dynamic place and people can feel confidence in the downtown feel good about being Santa Rosin's Care about their rootedness in our town. I think that's that's really important And that's the underlying purpose really of all this your councilmember Fleming Councilmember Rogers as he often does unfairly steals my questions and I haven't figured out the remedy for it But I'll go to you first. I'll go to you first next time Thank you for coming today, mr. Futrell my pleasure Thank you so much and thank you for that explanation. It's really helpful I think for all of us to hear as well as the public so I appreciate it and your expertise. Thank you very much We now have mr. Stanley who's going to be participating via zoom so can we promote him, please? He's coming right up. Hi mr. Stanley. Can you hear us? Okay? I can't thank you We'll go ahead and let you self-introduce and then we'll go to council for questions Okay, thank you so much for giving me the opportunity to be here. I'm sorry. I couldn't be in person It was my intention, but I woke up feeling pretty under the weather and thought it best I stay away at least To protect you as well as anybody else in the public so My name is Peter Stanley. I'm a principal of an architecture and planning and development consulting firm in Santa Rosa Our office has been in downtown Santa Rosa for over 20 years now I also sat on the planning commission for six years the bicycle and pedestrian advisory board. I was appointed to The mayor's open government task force I have volunteered throughout the community. I sat on the board with Hugh for the downtown action organization And I've been committed to Santa Rosa Not just professionally but also in my personal life as well with If you read my application, I don't want to go through everything that's in there but you know, I've also Volunteered and on boards and commissions throughout the community, but also Sit on the board as the vice chair now of women's recovery service, which is an incredible organization that takes women And gives them a residential recovery Option that they can bring their children to to help break the cycle of addiction and poverty and other sort of social ills that we've had to deal with I very much believe in the principle of the three legs of the stool, which I sort of explained in my application, but our social responsibility is tied to our economic development as well as the Sustainable way in which we build and I am very Focused on the downtown as well. I have a small development project in downtown that's been approved or waiting for Some sort of financial structure to change so that it becomes more affordable for us to be able to build that but My commitment to Santa Rosa's for the last 40 years when I moved here from Marin County a place in which I grew up and When I came back from the military was no longer able to afford So I came to Santa Rosa for the opportunities that were presented here and I have not been disappointed by that My commitment to Santa Rosa is definitely to get us to a point where we really should be we're a beautiful community and a beautiful region Thank you. Thank you so much. I'll look to counsel for questions Councilmember stop Thank You Peter. I'll throw out a Question a little bit of a gloss on on huge remarks. What would your goals be for the EIFD? How do you see that serving Santa Rosa? Well, as Hugh said when we lost redevelopment we lost the tool That would enable us to start putting essentially public dollars into improving Sort of the infrastructure elements of downtown Santa Rosa Based where this EIFD is I see this I don't see this is the silver bullet I don't think anybody does see this as a silver bullet This is a tool that we desperately need in order to start addressing some of the Sort of infrastructure concerns that we've had in downtown. We have so many plans that are sitting on shelves Mendocino Avenue Corridor plan the downtown plan the South Santa Rosa Avenue plan We have all these plans that don't have financed and financing mechanisms in place to implement them And obviously with the budget concerns that the city is constantly dealing with We're not always going to be able to pull ten million dollars out as we did And get the recent re-notification of Port El Square, which of course took 40 years for us to do So this is a tool in the toolbox that needs to be implemented with other tools that the city has been putting in place with fee structures and Incentivizing more dense housing in downtown and incentivizing more dense housing and Infrastructure in and around the transit station. So I just see this as sort of a beautiful Continuation of what redevelopment was supposed to be it got derailed a little bit But it could put us back on the track that we need in order to start Implementing some of these very important infrastructure improvements that we need downtown Thank you so much Thank you so much for your time mr. Stanley. We appreciate it. Thank you Okay, we'll move forward now with Don Tomasi come on down. Good afternoon. Good afternoon Although I'll go ahead and let you self-interduce to us. Okay. Thank you very much I am a third or fourth generation Santa Rosa resident you can even how you count I grew up here and Have a deep perspective on the history of as some other applicants do obviously some of the things that went wrong or Instructive in terms of how we move forward And I'm very excited for the opportunity to be considered for this Position which really has the opportunity to affect Transformative change and the potentials unlimited here pretty remarkable I've worked as an architect On a number of downtown projects over the years Including the Regenade in the museum in the square project that where we have our office that actually started out as the desire to make a change to downtown when nothing we saw nothing was happening and We found a building that was bigger than we could tackle so we brought on a certain local Developer to help us out and make it happen and he did a great job And I've been active in a number of committees and boards and so forth that are associated with downtown development design review board It was on design review board for five years including chair and active in the Downtown action organization. I'm currently I chair of the design and improvement committee So we've been really hands-on in terms of developing way finding a way finding program that's going to implemented soon And in other things I have a sort of a Feeding the ground roots in the ground if you will Knowledge of the things that that need to be done downtown. I have a lot of ideas I After museum in the square we began I moved our firm into the realm of multifamily housing because housing obviously was what Is needed to affect The get past the critical mass theory get people downtown which in turn will bring other support facilities and Basically affect the change that we need and we've designed a number of those projects and are working on some that have not been built yet and I've run a business for 37 years and so I have a lot of a lot of experience from that So I think I'll leave it at that and welcome your questions Thank you so much Now it's whenever a crepe key. Thank you very much in your opinion, why should Residents of Santa Rosa and residents of the greater Sonoma County area support an EIFD for downtown Support is using a support what? Support an EIFD for downtown Well, unfortunately, there's a negative public perception on the part of many about downtown But you know when you read letters to the editor and so forth There seems like a lot of people are trying to contribute ideas and so forth and the reasons they state for Not coming downtown are often offered up a solution that would bring them downtown. I think if they understood That what the what the again transformative potential is for this to make it safe downtown To make it exciting to be with other people and so forth. I I think they would clearly support it Any other questions? We appreciate your time today. Thank you so much for my pleasure. We're now going to go into recess and tell our meeting starts at 4 o'clock Thanks We'll go ahead and call this meeting to order. It's now 4 o'clock we had no study session today and We will go ahead and do a roll call vote, please madam city clerk. Thank you Councilmember Stapp here councilmember Rogers councilmember O'Crepke here councilmember Fleming here councilmember Alvarez Vice mayor McDonald here mayor Rogers President let the record show that all councilmembers are present with the exception of councilmember Alvarez Thank you We had no report on any closed study study sessions or closed I sorry Any study session and closed session items? We will now call items 7.1 Councilmember Fleming this is yours Thank You vice mayor McDonald It's my honor to read this into the record Whereas June 2nd 1948 mark the date that women were officially allowed to serve as regular impermanent members of The armed forces in the Army Navy Marine Corps Coast Guard and Air Force and whereas women have always played a unique role in the US military history overcoming obstacles to find ways to serve and whereas despite history sparse documentation Women have always answered the call to protect and defend our freedoms from as far back as the Civil War and Whereas it took decades for the restrictions placed on our service capacity to change but eventually women were able to participate in the armed forces during peacetime and Whereas by 1970 women's role in the military expanded finally allowing us to command roles in non-combat units And whereas it was not until 2013 that women achieved full status in the military when we were granted the right to serve in direct ground combat roles and Whereas currently there are approximately a hundred and forty five women in the state of California who are serving or Have served in the armed forces and whereas we owe an inexpressible doubt debt of gratitude Debt to our current and past service women who have selflessly served so that we may live freely Our unquestioned loyalty and value will undoubtedly inspire future generations now Therefore be it resolved that Natalie Rogers mayor of the city of Santa Rosa on behalf of the entire city council Does hereby proclaim June 2nd? 2023 and I just want to add that this it's a real honor to read this I know I already said that but You know the fact that women have created a hundred percent of all of the people on the planet and that this has taken this long to come before us is You know really something so Congratulations to you and thank you for your service Those of you who are in the chamber if you'd like to go to the podium and make a comment. We'd love to hear from you now Thank you. I'm boroughs. No walk I am the vice president of redwood empire unit 77 military women across the nation our president Trisha almond was unable to be here today and my Sister in partner in crime is Kato hair Palmer. She is a She was a nurse in the Army nurse corps and served in Vietnam as a surgical nurse. I Am the dinosaur I served during the Cold War and early Vietnam. I Just wanted to mention that this past year we lost our last World War two woman veteran who resided in Santa Rosa Kathleen Kelly kitty will cut served in a Navy as a wave and passed away Shortly before her 100th birthday In addition, I just wanted to make mention that Women during the world wars served and especially World War two was a time when they never received Credit for what they did and when the war was over They received no benefits and the opportunities for them didn't come Until much later even in my era there was nothing for women veterans You served your time and they said goodbye to you More recently We've had some roles that have gotten better We had the first woman to attain the rank of admiral in the Navy's 238 year history in 2014 and in 2015 two women were the first females to earn the prestigious black and gold ranger tab of the US Army We all have a responsibility to provide service to our country regardless of race color creed or gender and We should all have the opportunity to wear the uniform and be a part of our nation's military Women Veterans Day is a tribute to a ground-breaking Day when women were acknowledged as essential to the war efforts and could serve in the regular army armed forces So today I say happy 75th anniversary to all our women. It's been a long time coming Thank you We are now taking public comment on item 7.1 if you are in chamber and would like to comment But have not provided a speaker card or your name Please make your way to the podium if you are participating via zoom Please raise your hand or dial star 9 you will have three minutes and a countdown timer will alert at the end of that period Vice mayor, I see no hands being raised via zoom and no one approaching the podium for public comment in chamber Thank you. I'm going to look to the call at my colleagues to see if there's any comments I just like to say thank you so much for being here today and thank you to your president Trisha Alman I've had the distinct pleasure of serving with her on the commission on the status of women So she's done so much not only for her country but for our community So please extend my thanks to her today as well. We'd like to invite you down to receive your proclamation and take a photo with all of us There Rogers, I apologize. I didn't see your hand raised before would you like to say something at this time? Um, no problem. Thank you I just wanted to say that I think there is so much that we don't know about our our history and it was really nice To hear her speak on the contribution that women have made To our armed forces, so it was definitely a pleasure to have them there today to receive that proclamation Thank you, and thank you for joining with us tonight, too We'll now move on to item 7.2 Proclamation for Juneteenth and this goes to councilmember Alvarez Thank you, madam vice fair So an honor for me to present this proclamation in recognition of Juneteenth Whereas the Martin Luther King Festival was recognized or organized in 1970 by students from the Santa Rosa Junior College To continue the dream of dr. Martin Luther King Junior who was assassinated in April 1969 and Whereas the festival took on a new meaning with the recognition of dr. King's birthday as a federal holiday designated on the third Monday in January and Whereas the emancipation proclamation was signed on September 22nd 1862 with an effective date of January 1st 1863 and Whereas Juneteenth celebrates a day when those enslaved in Galveston, Texas finally received word of their freedom on June 1865 and whereas Juneteenth is observed by many communities across the country and whereas the local Martin Luther King Juneteenth Festival Was born to keep the dream of dr. King and the spirit of Juneteenth alive in San Rosa and whereas This year marks the 53rd anniversary of Martin Luther King Juneteenth Festival in San Rosa and whereas The 53rd annual Juneteenth community festival celebration of diversity and inclusion our history in our and our strength will take place Virtually on Saturday, June 17th 2023 Whereas this event is free and open to community members of all ages and will include a presentation on Diversity and inclusion from the entrepreneurs of tomorrow music a keynote speaker sharing of history and culture scholarship awards and more and whereas Organizations such as the N double ACP of Sonoma County Sonoma County Black Forum North Bay Black Chamber 100 black men of Sonoma County and peddler with blacks for community developments invite the community to celebrate with us Now therefore be resolved that our mayor Natalie Rogers mayor of the San Rosa on the behalf of the entire City Council to hear By proclaim June 19 2023 as Juneteenth. Thank you We'd like to ask event minor to come make a few words if you would like regarding the Juneteenth proclamation. Thank you Thank you My name is Nancy Rogers, and I'm the chairperson for the Juneteenth Festival committee also the president of the North Bay black Chambers of Commerce We want to thank Mayor Rogers and its City Council for this proclamation. I also would like to thank Councilman Everest for the participation for his participation in the Juneteenth Festival Juneteenth planning committee, and I are honored that the City Council members recognized June 19th as a day of Celebration and honor the influence and history of African-American community Juneteenth is a perfect example of freedom being a constant struggle and remind us of those enslaved individuals Who showed characteristics of resiliency and determination commemorating Juneteenth as an official county holiday is an important step in committing to justice For all Juneteenth is not only just a day to celebrate freedom. It is also the day to honor our ancestors for their courage and wilderness It is also a day to educate our diverse community as we celebrate Legacies and accomplishments that will be forever in grain and history and closing on Juneteenth Let us all recommit ourselves to the work of equality equity and justice and Challenge ourselves and look into the future to be an agent of change. Thank you Thank you City of Santa Rosa and Councilman a nod to our Natalie Rogers and her Representation and her leadership in our city. We really are proud For this moment to be here to receive this proclamation as we should Also, want to just give a shout out to the previous Honoree who talked about women in the military and the time that it took for Women in the military to get their just desserts and to be honored. This is a really important month. We have And I'd like to just put a shout out to The pride month here in Santa Rosa and an amazing parade that took place on Saturday and celebration We'll be doing the exact same plus more with our Juneteenth celebration this year at Martin Luther King Park the original spot that this pain to Feuillation we're really proud of this particular holiday because it has such historical significance it was in Gabelston, Texas that the slaves had not found out That they were free and it took the Union soldiers to go into Texas and say you are free That is why it is so important that we continue to strive and fight for our freedom here in these United States of America and even in our own county as we see things getting rolled back across the nation with a voter rights with voter suppression with those kinds of things that will try to keep us from Standing tall and having our rights as citizen to vote. It is absolutely Imperative so it helps us to have a city council in a city that is in line and walking in step with us I am proud to be a part of this committee I'm proud that we have members of the Juneteenth committee and we are gonna party on Juneteenth We are now taking public comment on items 7.2 if you are in the chamber and would like to comment But have not provided a speaker card or your name Please make your way to the podium if you are participating via zoom Please raise your hand or dial star 9 you will have three minutes and a countdown timer will alert at the end of that period Vice mayor I see no hands being raised via zoom and no one approaching the podium for public comment in council chamber Thank you, madam city clerk. Are there any comments from my colleagues? Seeing none, we would like to invite you all down to take a photo with us to And receive your proclamation We're now moving on to item 8.1 the safe parking program update Give us just a minute to pull pull it up. It's been a few years since I've presented down here in the chambers Thank You Kelly. Do you mind pulling your microphone a little closer to you? Thank you so much Good afternoon mayor Rogers vice mayor McDonald and members of the council Kelly Kaikendall and Sasha Cohen with housing and community services homeless services division and we're gonna Provide you with a brief update on our safe parking program which Recently recently completed its first year of program operations next slide This slide is an aerial photo of the safe parking program The program footprint takes up the first two rows of the parking lot at 55 Stony Point Road, and it's located adjacent to the city complex there Next slide, please I'm gonna turn it over to Sasha to talk about on program overview So Sasha take it away. Hi. Yeah, so the program is operated by Catholic charities It opened in March of 2022 and has up to 50 spaces. There's 24 seven site management And they provide basic and wraparound services So the basic services include showers restrooms waste management as well as one warm-weight Catered dinner daily as well as snacks It also includes weekly laundry service with pickup and drop-off and medical services are on site twice a week Provided by st. Joseph's health and Providence The wraparound services refers to case management services that are on site Monday through Friday working with participants towards their housing goals The funding is primarily from the city utilizing ARPA funds and a portion is Reimbursed by County of Sonoma through a funding agreement that we have with them and before we jump into the year one outcomes I did want to share a success story with you and this story was shared in Catholic Charities year end report public report for 21 2021 and 2022 and it's about an individual named DJ who was homeless and living in his RV He ended up at a large encampment on Old Stony Point Road commonly referred to as the mud pit and Due to a variety of reasons and medical Health issues he ended up in the hospital from the hospital He was referred on to Catholic Charities medical respite program and then to safe parking and from safe parking He worked with his case manager and moved into permanent housing And just wanted to share this story with you because I really think it speaks to the value of the program and the importance of the safety Security and community that safe parking provides Particularly the wraparound case management services that works with participants to move them into permanent housing With that I'll turn it over to Sasha to talk about our year one outcomes So our year one outcomes we served 148 people. We have approximately 60 participants currently in the program There were 87 exits and 20 of those were to permanent housing So that's 23 percent of our exits to permanent housing, which is very close to our program goal, which is 25 percent It's higher than the 16 percent average county-wide for emergency shelter exits And we're currently evaluating other non-congregate shelter programs in Sonoma County The program has approximately 60 participants and 45 people on the wait list at this time And it's been a very successful tool for helping us to address vehicle encampments I just add to the last bullet before we jump to the next slide that in addition to it in addition to it being a Great tool to address vehicle encampments. It's been a preferred Shelter model for individuals living in their vehicle They've expressed prior to open safe parking and since a safe parking has been opened that They prefer this model over congregate shelter Next slide last slide So looking forward we have identified funding through June of 2024 We're actively pursuing funding to continue the program beyond that. We've submitted Applications to the state encampment resolution fund and we're hoping to hear from them any day If that application is successful that would secure funding for this program As well as additional outreach in the community through 2026 and As we've shared with you right now I think the program has been very successful in its first year of operations We want to build on that success and in particular look for ways to improve our housing outcomes This concludes our presentation. We've been happy to answer any questions that council may have. Thank you Thank you councilmember rogers Thank you so much and really Proud to hear the results of it. I know Many of the neighbors there that I walked around and talked to them beforehand and answered questions and Most that I have talked to since then have said that they've seen a decrease in the impact that Homelessness is having in their own individual neighborhoods right there And so just really kudos to the team for that Kelly can you remind me? What's the total cost for the program? How much do we spend over the last year? The operating budget annually is approximately 1.3 million dollars and we have budgeted funds for About two and a half years. So through june of 2024 Okay, and the 1.3 million for the 87 exits How does that compare kind of dollar for dollar to get somebody into permanent housing? Relative to some of the other solutions that we've tried or some of the other solutions that we see our partners trying It's an excellent question. And so we're currently evaluating that I don't have a cost per housing exit available this evening, but I can certainly Put that together and get it to you and as sasha mentioned, we're also looking at other State parking and non-congregate shelter programs throughout the county to see how our program Compares in terms of costs and outcomes Excellent and then 87 exits with 20 going into the permanent housing What happened to the other 67 are those folks who Were exited from the program for a behavioral issue or just found that it wasn't for them So there were 12 people that exited to temporary housing as well. So that's another 14 percent And the other 55 people it's unknown exactly where they exited to And that's really on a case-by-case basis I don't have that level of Data available this evening, but You know, it's a fair variety of reasons. They could have been exited because they weren't following program rules They could have exited on their own accord. They decided the program was not right for them. Okay. We don't track that We don't track that we do track outcomes to housing temporary housing and then there's another category We could work with Catholic Charities to dig into that a bit more to see what data we have available Yeah, I'd be really interested if it isn't too staff intensive for us to look at that over the next year So that we better understand is there's something about our policy construct That is a rule that people are just having a hard time following for whatever reason or if it's uh, You know, I know we are working with the challenging population also that It doesn't always want to follow rules But it'd be good to have a little bit more information for us to be able to have that conversation particularly with the public Thank you. Great. Thank you I just have a quick question for you. You said on the Presentation that you had a wait list how long is a wait list and why are they waiting? Is it because we don't have enough spaces or there are so many people that can be involved in each in the program at one time So the program can only fit up to 50 parking spaces So the wait list is because we're currently at capacity And the wait list is first come first serve So if there was another space available for them or another area in the county that we could actually have something like this And it would just be a matter of funding it versus actually having a space available. Would that be Correct. That's correct. Thank you. Yep councilmember fliming Yeah, thank you so much. It sounds like the program is a resounding success Thanks to you and your good work and all of our partners. I'm just curious to know If we you know, it's 52 spaces, right? That number seems You know I'm not sure how we arrived exactly at it But I guess where I'm going with this is I'd be interested to hear the next time you come back If it would be possible because I'm imagining our fixed costs our security and service providers If we might be able to add a few spaces without negatively impacting the the city So we we started out at 50 and we did within the first two rows of the parking lot We did add a couple additional spaces So I think we've we've maximized that footprint and catholic charities the operator is doing its best to Maximize that space as well so we can get as many RVs and vehicles in there as possible and and keep it safe We've not discussed at this point expanding it beyond the first two rows of the parking lot just given Capacity needs in in the parking lot frame Yeah, during the business day Is the parking lot full? You know, I don't work out of that facility. Um, and so I I can't speak to that. Um, I would you know defer To um someone someone who does or I think Jason that is here if he wants to speak to that this isn't city manager Jason that Thank you for the question council member Fleming Uh, the parking lot is generally about two-thirds fold during the course of a working day The issue is when we have a Training sessions and other activities that occur at the training center at the at the ufo at the utilities field office For example, we had police badge pinnings that occurred last week And we had folks that were coming from finley because the overflow parking lot was the only place for them to park And we do have trainings that occur at that facility on a weekly basis So that's really where the struggle is is is in order to utilize that that particular building to the capacity And the function that it was intended. We do need to have some of those parking spaces available Sure, and I I definitely understand what that we need to have some of them available But you kind of just exactly pointed out the solution right there, which is using overflow parking at our other facility, which is You know, I've had to attend Trainings there and walk over and it's not a great inconvenience in any way Um, you know, I'm just wondering if staff is explored just adding just a little bit more not taking up the whole parking lot But just increasing our capacity a bit I'm sure that the teams can work with kelly and sasha to try to reevaluate the program We did a fairly comprehensive review when we started Now that the program's functional operational and we've been able to stabilize some of our Staffing in each of the four teams that operate out of that parking lot We can determine if there's any additional room sure and i'm not looking to to break something that's working I just want to if it's working in we can do a little more You know each one of these is an rv. That's not on the street. It's a person who's safe And somebody who has a 23 chance of getting into permanent housing, which is the gold standard, right? So thanks for all your work on this Thank you. I think that I think that's the end of our questions. Thank you so much for your presentation today We'll now move on to item 8.2 community empowerment plan update Good afternoon. I'm mayor vice mayor and council Lawn peterson director of communications for the communications engagement and government affairs office I'll be providing the community empowerment update today First city manager smith has selected a new cohort for the santa Rosa police department's chief community ambassador team. It's also known as ccat Originally formed in 2021 ccat meets with chief cregan cord leap to provide feedback on current events and topics The next ccat meeting is on june 21st and more information is available as srcity.org ccat This action aligns with all three goals outlined in the community empowerment strategy Uh next up Second we have on june 14th at 9 a.m The city's independent police auditor will be presenting to the public safety subcommittee the first annual audit report On the santa rosa police department's activities Also coming up on june 20th. This audit report will be presented at the city council meeting And the next day on the 21st the oir group is hosting an in-person meeting at 6 p.m This will be taking place at the senior wing at the finley community center A participation information for this is available at srcity.org slash police oversight This Action aligns with the goal number two outlined in the community empowerment strategy Next up the santa rosa police department is hosting a community police experience It's to provide first-hand account to community members the daily responsibilities and expectations of the police department This program is a casual work stop-shot environment with hands-on experience designed to enhance The relationship and also make people for familiar With the santa rosa police departments its policy and how they operate in their practices In addition, we also have a youth community policing experience In the application for that window just closed This the youth program is focused on santa rosa teams. It provides opportunities for them to engage With our police officers learn about policies procedures and also really voice their concerns to the department This program runs july 10th to the 13th from 9 to 3 And it's really cool because lunch is provided so you can provide find out more about this program srcity.org slash cpe And on that note, there's also some really cool stuff happening this fall. They're planning Community police experience conducted entirely in spanish. So it's going to be policia. You laud Community ad it's a version of the santa rosa police department cpe program But for a monolingual or bilingual spanish speaking community members and all that's available at srcity.org slash s cpe To join the interest list For that this action aligns with goal three outlined in the community empowerment strategy And finally Just a reminder that we're encouraging the community submit funding requests for the d e i b spaces mini grant program The goal of this program is to increase opportunities for events classes workshops projects that create diversity equity inclusion and belonging Eligible applicants can receive up to $5,000 in funding to implement their projects To apply visit srcity.org slash d e i b grants Applications for this next cycle are due on june 30th by 4 p.m. To be considered. I'm simply email a completed applications to our department community engagement at srcity.org And so i wanted to point out too there's four opportunities for this particular grant The first one i'd mention is due june 30th the next one will go from july 1st to september 30th October 1st december 31st and january 1st to march 30th 2024 There's a total of $150,000 set aside for this particular program It is first come first serve and if we use it up before then then the program ends Otherwise we'll continually open it up until when we provide opportunities for the community That concludes my update happy to take questions Or comments any questions from council? Mr. Alvarez We appreciate that the dates and the different programs that are coming up before us Sometimes we find out after the fact so I really appreciate the proactive approach. Thank you Absolutely, you're welcome council member alvarez Thank you for your presentation. Okay And council i know that was a lot of information so i will send you a council fyi follow up with uh all the details Thank you Yeah, that's helpful so we can push it out on our social media as well. Thank you We are now taking public comment on the item 8.1 and 8.2 If you are in council chamber and would like to comment but have not provided a speaker card Please make your way to the podium if you are participating via zoom, please raise your hand or dial star 9 You will have three minutes And a countdown timer will alert at the end of that period One one moment the first public comment is going to be uh from miss gray Oh perfect President good evening. My name is miss engame gray. I am a long time resident here in uh, santa rosa and um my comment for the For this particular part of the agenda is I just recently found out that the multicultural roots project was pulled and It came out of this initiative and my question and comment is I would really humbly like you to reconsider reinstating it because as a heritage stakeholder And there's many in this room have been here for 25. My family has been here for over over 70 years And this particular Project with highlighting Folks who have invested in this community for so long, especially the bi-pod community and um I mean, I'm really just coming from me from the heart right now It's it's been a long time coming where we were able to highlight different cultures that are underrepresented We have large amounts of Polynesian asian Ethiopian Eritrean native american hispanic it's all We have great, uh ideas and In creating what this particular project could be And coming from a heritage being a heritage stakeholder You know, my grandparents came here in 1947 and other families have helped Start and paved the way for where we are now And I pay homage to the people who are carrying the torch and continued the fight for us to have um to be seen and to be celebrated And I feel like the council is doing a really good job in trying to make that happen But I I employ you to think about the people who have invested in this community who want to highlight and see this community thrive as a whole And we can do that by highlighting and and letting people know who visits Santa Rosa that we have a rich heritage that come from amazing cultures um I want to lastly just say that it's been My pleasure working with the committee. There's some people in this room right now who have been on that committee and did amazing work I commend the um city office that was heading that for all their hard work in it And again, I just employ you to reconsider To bring it back. Thank you Thank you, miss gray the next public comment will be evet followed by dwayne Thank you city council I am happy to be here to support the multicultural roots project One of the things that was a highlight for me was reading the material about who Forged Santa Rosa in Sonoma county And right now we're experiencing some things with our young people where they're unable to identify with who they are as a person And with the multicultural roots project that gave them An onsite to who they are in community who they are as a person We're dealing a lot with what's going on with our schools And this is something that can be highlighted to show them that we are somebody right So we're here celebrating juneteenth and all the struggles that we have and we continue to have So I implore you to really reconsider the multicultural roots project It focuses on the bypop population and then whatever population we do not have within there We're able to highlight that as well And we had an opportunity to highlight the young people that was out here marching On the on the behalf of various issues So I really implore as we're talking about violence in our city as we're talking about Just mental health that this is something you should reconsider Really consider what it means to our youth. They need to have a voice They need to see people that look like them. And so with that being said Please reconsider that action. Please. Thank you Thank you. The next public comment will be from dwayne. May I use the overhead please Certainly one moment So it's turned on up here. I'm just waiting for it to come down there All right So Hello, my name is dwayne d. Witt. I'm from roseland Which some I think is the center of multiculturalism in santa rosa It's been brought into the city Recently a large section has been considered a part of the downtown specific plan So thank goodness for that. I'm here to support these folks from many different cultures Those folks that want to see the multicultural roots projects go forward. You bet you let's get it going Mr alvarez has one district that has more multicultural than the rest of you put together south park A black african-american site over a hundred years ago Then there's roseland and you know, they were together until it was split By planners running a freeway through the center of our town Basically that was right there in santa rosa And I put this flag up there because you can see made in the usa So anybody that's born in america That's made in the usa and they get all the equal rights and they get all the good stuff that goes with being america And you know what people might disparage us But one thing that you got to look at is wherever you go in the world There are people from all over the world trying to come to the united states To get a us passport They may not like some things about the place, but they're not going to communist china They're not going to communist north korea or communist russia. They're basically coming here. It's not iran. It's not iraq It's not those other places. It's the united states of america Pretty good place and you know what on memorial day We were out there at memorial park Saluting those veterans that helped to keep this place free today is june 6th the anniversary of d day 79 years ago a bunch of 16 17 18 19 year old americans went and risked their lives To make sure that europe could be free from fascism Free from communism lots of americans died As a matter of fact americans have been dying all over the world to try to make sure and keep The american ideal if you will Alive and flowing i'm big on that stuff and a little while from now i'm going to go outside and get in a made in usa car A nice big old 1960s car and i'm going to go low riding with some folks downtown Where we used to be doing it 50 years ago until some politician said oh no, that's not the thing It's hurting our downtown. Well, we're here to say we're back and some of us never left We're going to be doing it. We're going to be enjoying it Waving that american flag with all kinds of people all kinds of cultures folks from the bypass community Folks from the latino community and us rosalyn rubes. Thank you kindly for your time thank you Vice mayor, there are no additional hands being raised via zoom and we received no advanced public comment on this item Thank you. Madam city clerk. I just want to address um the audience tonight and say that we understand the significance of these projects And then we'd like to um allow our staff time to restructure and align resources And to to do our initiatives. So just know that we are working on that We'll now move forward with city manager and city attorney reports Thank you vice mayor city manager has no additional reports tonight And thank you city attorney as well. I have no nothing to report this afternoon. Thank you Thank you Moving on to item 10 statements of abstention by council members Then tonight we'll move on to 11.1 mayor and council members subcommittee and liaison reports And go ahead council members japan Just a few committee report outs um some good news in the two weeks since we last met The ag and open space committee, um, I represent the council on that on that committee and as folks might have noticed in the press democrat We finalized purchased on the 380 acre chancellor ranch outside of adega bay So a big and beautiful new swath of land will be coming into what will be protected as as Open space and hopefully park space in the future um another another nice update and I saw daniel gardenio in here a moment ago But in any case the violence prevention group on which on which vice mayor on the gondola limo sit Finalized and released or didn't finalize released the draft strategic plan in which we've been working Thank you very much to to daniel and the entire violence prevention team And she's already taken that on the road. She presented last night at the local chapter of the NAACP Talking about how we how exactly we're going to work together the city will work together With schools with local nonprofits do a better job of supporting our youth and reducing violence in the community And then finally The russian river watershed board met last week and went through its advocacy plans Well review the plans from last year and also detailed the advocacy plans for the year to come A good discussion there two additional notes Jason nutt alluded to it in his comments about the full parking lot Near the near the city office up near the family center The swearing-in ceremony for the was it 30 or so new officers and staff A few of my colleagues were there as well Our council member o'crepkey mayor rogers It was it was a packed room and a packed parking lot and it was it was a Wonderful to see the new officers coming in. Oh, there you are chief cregan. Do you remember the exact count? All right, so I exaggerated a little bit and one and the canine and ghost the canine officer All right, so 21 a good ceremony in any case And then finally we should note The s or frank chong gave his doctor frank chong gave his his final address as president of s r jc And so I was glad to be in that packed room as well Frank's such a pillar of the community and s and s r jc is so important It's really it's it's um, it was fun to to Celebrate frank, but then also to welcome the new president. I'm dr. Maria Angelica Garcia So it appears that the jc is in great hands And again a nice night and it was fun to be there and that that concludes my report out Thank you council member rogers Thank you vice mayor, uh, we had our monthly snima clean power meeting last thursday Snima clean power received the community impact award for efforts related to decarbonization That's a statewide award that they received and it's a lot of Hard work from a lot of dedicated staff working on programs to try to make things easier for us to address climate change Moving forward. So congrats congratulations to them Did want to report back to the council about actually what happened at the Snima county board of supervisors meeting today This council has previously supported the public model for Ambulance services in our service area The snima county fire department was actually awarded that contract at today's meeting So I wanted to give a good shout out to chief westro 1401 and everybody else who has fought so hard for about two years now to make sure that that Went the way that it should to deliver a better service model for our community And thank you to the board of supervisors for recognizing and supporting that The last thing that I'll report out on as was mentioned before it is pride month We did have a fantastic parade put on my snima county pride this last weekend It has felt like this year was different and important And I know talking to some of my lgbtq friends that they have felt like there is Need for more allies to step up and show support and create safe spaces for folks And I know that it meant a lot to to to folks to see every single city council member marching in that parade Supporting the community this weekend. So thank you to the organizers for that. Thank you to folks who showed up And thank you to those who continue to fight the good fight councilmember O'Crepkey Thank you very much On may 24th, I was able to take my son to the city works festival uh that the city put on During the wizarding market And it was a great time To take my son out and having him do the scavenger hunt and crawl on the The vagueress vehicles and ask questions to staff about, you know, just exactly what the drone does and the giant sewage pipes and how high the bucket goes And all of those things and also eventually learning how many parks there were in the city So, uh, which is a slight dig at our assistant city manager here who provided some inaccurate information to a seven-year-old on a scavenger hunt But But it was a great time, uh, and uh, he All the kids that I saw there were were Head over heels enthralled with the event So thank you to all the city staff and departments that helped put that on Like my colleagues on the 25th. I was able to go to the center of the police department badge pinning Not much more to say other than I I want to point out just what kind of a community and department we have We had lateral transfers from chicago Anchorage spokane that want to come and work in this community and live in this community And I think that has something to say about not just our department But is the community that we are as a whole about what it's like to to live and work in santa rosa I was able to attend the sinima county farm bureau golf tournament on the second which was always a great time And then uh, like my colleagues, um all of us. I was able to attend the Pride parade on the third and Like councilmember roger said I heard a lot of great things A lot of great feedback from my lgbtq friends and family that were able to attend and seeing the city support at all levels And the one thing I would just add on to what councilmember roger says is that it's important to show this kind of support for especially in these times for Are the trans members of our community and trans teens in particular because they are under attack And it's important that we stand by them and show them that we are allies as as a city and as individuals Thank you councilmember roger Thank you madam vice mayor i'll begin with pride day uh sunday And in an ode to our former councilmember tom sholdham I packed a backpack full of candy and i'll pass it out to everyone who was present young and old And I still cannot get the song lollipop out of my head as it was being sung back to me lollipop lollipop But nonetheless, it was a great day with our community and it was a beautiful day A little bit hot for the shoes in the suit, but nonetheless that we tracked through it a little bit of a well done for at the end of that day The following day I had the pleasure of attending an event at howarth park it was a A collaboration between kids day and land paths and a couple of land trusts And they spoke of the greenway project and their energy to move that project forward and I really do want to see that gem That that that central park within the city of san rosa. So I hope we continue those efforts Later on the day filling uh center for low low rider car show And I have to share with my colleagues that the the energy Of the community in in the car enthusiast section is thrilled and I see an increased Look at their city doing for and with them and and and us So definitely I believe that we as a city are moving in the in the right direction when it comes to Inviting our our fellow residents our neighbors into our civic process and city government as a whole So I do definitely want to congratulate my colleagues on on the energy Of the projects that we have continue to move forward. Thank you Thank you I'm going to go ahead and go to mir rogers who has something to report today as well Thank you um Just wanted to report on may 24th. I was able to attend The family justice centers noma county Community summit, which was great. Um, was able to attend the first part of that um And on may 25th center of the police departments were in an informational ceremony and it's just great to see all the people that are um wanting to come and serve in our community and with our police department and We can do great things with great leadership. So I would like to give a shout out to chief cregan May 25th. I met with the spiritual leaders in district seven. Um, and we will be Working with chief cregan for our faith and believe it With more details to come and very excitingly on may 24th the coc Um board has provided us With 232,000 and that was awarded for the sam jones hall capital improvement. So yay for that And lastly, uh, june 3rd. I attended the 38th annual sonoma county pride celebration Um, and it really showed that well one there were a ton of people there, uh, which was great to see and Thank you to all the council members That were there and staff and everyone that was there. That was great. Um, but that everyone has A place here in santa rosa and they should know that there's a sense of belonging And we continue to show that through our love. So thank you very much and that's my report out Thank you, mayor And I just have a few things to report out on the sonoma county zero waste met And we just had a couple consent items Contract extension services and a short report on contract renewal with a small price increase of 4% for clean harbors who operate the hazardous Waste program at the central landfill Um, I also was able to attend the career technical education foundation event where they raised over $300,000 and that may have been reported on previously, but just wanted to congratulate them on their success I also attended a four seas event Where um, they were talking about the need to work together with all of our different community groups and in particular the city And still the high need for child care services within our city And last but not least I was really honored to be part of the pride parade and ride in a fire truck So I want to say thanks for letting me ride along With them in the fire truck and it was great to see so much support for our community specifically support for our lgbtq community, so Thank you. That is the end of my report Yes, please council member ocrapki. Um, yeah, I Usually we do these in a matter where we say what we have done but I think one thing that we need to recognize real quick is um, this Awesome woman to my right next week is being awarded a 2023 influential woman award from the north bay business journal And so I want to recognize her before she receives the award Because she's done an outstanding job in my few months here And um, I think my colleagues will agree that she's been outstanding And so if we can just give a round of applause to our city manager Good job We'll go to item 11.2 now board and commission and committee appointments Council member ocrapki is this yours All right. Um, so we have three separate Motions that we need to make Um First I will make a motion to wave sections b1 and b2 of council policy triple zero dash zero six To allow for property owners within the enhanced infrastructure financing district or eifd Who may not be residents or of or registered voters in the city of santa rosa but reside in our Registered voters in sinoma county to be considered for appointment to the public financing authority or pfa second Thank you, mayor. Should we take public comment on this item before making Um, any further motions? Yes, please. Thank you. We are now taking public comment on item 11.2.1 If you're in chamber and would like to comment but have not provided a speaker card or your name Please make your way to the podium If you are participating via zoom, please raise your hand or dial star nine You will have three minutes and a countdown timer will alert at the end of that period And this is for all of 11.2.1 There are no hands being raised via zoom and no one approaching public or the podiums in council chamber mayor vice mayor Thank you. We'll go back to council members. Are there any comments or questions? Thank you Thank you. That was a motion by council member okrepke seconded by council member rogers yes Council member and i'll take the vote now council member step I Council member rogers. Hi council member okrepke. Hi council member fleming. Hi council member alvarez. Hi vice mayor mcdonald. Hi mayor rogers Hi, let the record show that vote passes unanimously All right, and then the second motion is I will make a motion to appoint hue futrell to the one city of santa rosa representative on the pfa Second Thank you. That was a motion by okrepke If I could through the chair Perhaps what might be prudent or effective is to rank our top two therefore when the mayor goes in and does discussions with the county on the joint seat if The county did not support somebody that's in our top two It gives her the chance to maneuver to make sure that we get our top two choices For clarification is that item two and three where we rank our first choices item two and and our Second choices item three the first the the next motion is for the city of santa rosa representative and are you suggesting that you have a first and second Choice for that and then on the the next yeah, what i'm suggesting is to give the mayor flexibility to make sure that Because I unless a council member has a disagreement with me I don't see a difference between the city specific seat or the county seat What we want is two good people between those two seats And depending on what the county chooses to do and who they recommend for the count for the joint seat Perhaps giving the mayor flexibility to just go after our top two in any combination between the two seats Might be the most prudent thing for us to do I would agree council member o'crapki are you Open to that amendment a friendly amendment Well, I I'll just withdraw the motion and do a new one as if that's all right all right So I'll make a motion Allowing the mayor flexibility to a point at her discretion With the rankings I don't know how to word this exactly What you want top we have to provide three So if we could have the top two On this one and then we'll provide an alternate in another motion Top two for this particular specific seat And you'll need to withdraw your original motion if you did. Oh, you did. Okay. Thank you Okay My apologies. I didn't mean to make it more complicated. I'm just trying to make sure that the mayor has as much flexibility as possible Which is fine I'm just trying to think of what the motion is going to exactly be because the motions that are in her packet are not those so I will make a motion of To a point to have the mayor be able to appoint at her discretion with One of our top two choices of number one Hugh Futrell And number two peter stanley And I will second that motion It's been moved and seconded is there any discussion from council I'll The chair note What did you I'm sorry go ahead council member funny. Thanks a bunch I'll just note that we got really high quality candidates and we will be really lucky Um if the county accepts one of those two gentlemen to serve as our shared member and You know the the service level is from these unpaid Members of the community is really going to be tremendous. So we're wearing great hands and thank you to everybody who applied Thank you Go ahead and call the vote On each one of a comment first We had opened up public comment on all of 11.2.1 at the top of the item Mr. DeWitt we opened up public comment on this item on 11.2.1 at the top of the item for all three motions Since there seems to be some confusion We'll go ahead and allow the public comment just to make sure that your voice can be heard. Mr. DeWitt go ahead and please Thank you. It's always best to wait and hear what you folks have said first To get the comment from the public to understand what's going on Dwayne DeWitt from roseland a portion of which is in downtown santa rosa I think it's a bad idea to waive this council policy I think you should definitely have a santa rosa resident as the person who's on this It's the kind of thing where santa rosa's voice needs to be specifically from santa rosa And although you think both mr. Futrell and mr. Stanley are good picks It's almost like mr. Stanley works for mr. Futrell It's like one in the same And the thing about this type of situation is we need to get someone who's a A budget hawk if you will a taxpayer kind of person Thank you for your time on this Thank you mr. DeWitt if there's no other public comment we'll go ahead and facilitate Excuse me We'll go ahead and facilitate this vote and then move to a third item Okay, just to confirm. This is the vote to include The mayor at her discretion appoint Hugh Futrell or Peter Stanley as the second option for The city of santa rosa appointment to the pfa. That's the motion on the floor. Yes For our first option councilmember stapp Hi councilmember rogers Hi councilmember okrepke. Hi councilmember fleming. Hi councilmember alvarez. Hi vice mayor mcdonnell. Hi mayor rogers Hi, let the record show that passes unanimously Jeff we're going to ask you to put a third An alternate on the floor for consideration as well On alternate for the county for joint appointment, right? I'll make a motion to nominate don tamasi as a third option For the city of santa rosa appointee on the pfa Thank you Is there any discussion called the vote? councilmember stapp. Hi councilmember rogers. Hi councilmember okrepke. Hi councilmember fleming. Hi councilmember alvarez Vice mayor mcdonnell. Hi mayor rogers Hi Let the record show that passed unanimously Thank you. We're moving on to item 12. Are there any corrections to the minutes? I see Point of order through the mayor or vice mayor I am unclear on The board of supervisors city of santa rosa joint appointment I did not hear that motion be put on the floor So If I remember rogers, I can so my understanding from the motion is We have two positions that we get to express our preference for But one of those positions is a joint position with the county They also have their own picking from the same applicant pool that they can have So what I thought we were doing and that's what it sounded like in the motion Was expressing for the mayor what our preference was and who serves And say our first choice gets selected by the county or our second choice gets selected as the Joint one that we at least are well served because our top two are there and then we have a third that we can plug in as well So my understanding was that we were making motions based on our preference And then the mayor gets to have that discussion with the chair of the board of supervisors about who slots into what specific one To maximize our preference and outcome Ultimately on the board And i'm happy to make that as a motion if that cleans it up a little bit No, so we're not necessarily waiting to appoint hours What the mayor gets to do is based on who is selected as the joint person Between the city and the county She has preferences from us on who then is automatically are she doesn't have to come back to us She's got that ranking in place Can you please provide a clean motion for us to establish in the minutes? Okay, so the motion would be That the mayor has the authority to appoint mr. Futrell or mr. Stanley to either position And in the event that the county selects one of those two our third preference was mr. Tomasi To slot in as appropriate We have a second, please Second Is there any discussion the mayor's hand? I'm sorry madam mayor Oh, I was just saying it is almost as if we are not making the decision right now and because we chose to broaden it so people from the county can Um be appointed so in that case if like chris said if the county chooses someone that we've chosen I have options Thank you, mayor Does that provide clarification for you madam city clerk? We can that can I can make that work. Thank you city attorney. Is that motion clear enough for the record? Ah, yes, thank you We can now call a roll call vote Councilmember step. Hi councilmember rogers. Hi councilmember okrepke. Hi councilmember fleming. Hi councilmember alvarez Vice mayor mcdonald. Hi mayor rogers Hi let the record show that passes unanimously We'll now move to item 12. We have three Minutes three different minutes to approve april 25th 2023. Are there any corrections to those minutes? We have may 9th 2023. Are there any corrections to those minutes? And may 10th 2023 any corrections to those? Seeing none those will be filed We'll now move on to consent Thank you. Item 13.1 resolution support for assembly bill 436 alvarez item 13.2 resolution of approval of the acquisition of the of 470 Sebastopol road for future conversion to a police substation to assumption of lease with the sonoma county library for continued interim library use And three delegation of authority to city manager to execute all necessary documents to complete the transaction item 13.3 resolution approval of intergovernmental agreement number f 002610 with the records management division of the information systems department of the county of sonoma california item 13.4 resolution blanket purchase order 164204 a One-year extension with geotab usa incorporated 13.5 resolution speed limits in the central business district 13.6 resolution second amendment to psa with mv transportation to provide ada paratransit services and deviated fixed-route services item 13.7 resolution memorandum of understanding with the sonoma county junior college district and the scj cd associated students for city bus unlimited rides programs for college students item 13.8 resolution declaration of laser fish as a trusted system Item 13.9 ordinance adoption second reading ordinance of the city or the council of the city of san aroza repealing chapter 11 dash 16 cruising prohibited within the core area of the city of santa rosa city code removing the cruising prohibition item 13.10 ordinance adoption second reading ordinance of this council of the city of santa rosa increasing the compensation of the city manager to provide one a five percent merit increase in salary effective january 1 2023 two a two and a two point five percent cost of living salary and adjustment effective july 2nd 2023 three a merit increase equal to five percent of 276 750 dollars effective december 3 2023 four a merit increase equal to six percent of 276 750 dollars effective at the beginning of the first pay period in june 2024 five an additional merit increase in june 2025 if and as needed to align the city manager's salary with the then average city manager's salary and comparable jurisdictions and six an enhanced wellness benefit of $4,800 yearly effective january 1 2023 item 13.11 ordinance adoption second reading ordinance of the council of the city of santa rosa amending title 20 of the santa rosa city code by modifying zoning code chapter 20 dash 31 in sections 20 dash 36 dot 040 20 dash 50 dot 020 and 20 dash 70 dot 020 and adding chapter 20 dash 33 to bring the zoning code into compliance with state reg legislation as required by law councilmember apparatus Yes, um, I'd like to pull item 13.9, please Okay Would you like to put the rest of the consent on the floor, please? Absolutely I'd like to move item 13.1 13.2 13.3 13.4 13.5 13.6 13.7 and 13.8 13.10 and 13.11 without further reading of the text. Thank you I get Thank you Shall we go to public comment on those items before we move forward with our vote, please We are now taking public comment on item 13 the consent calendar if you're in chamber would like to comment but have not provided a speaker card or your name Please make your way to the podium if you are participating via zoom, please raise your hand or dial star 9 You will have three minutes and a countdown timer will alert at the end of that period Just for clarification this public comment is on everything but item 13.9. We will be taking that after our vote Thank you. The first public comment will be from chris followed by david And I just want to quickly express our collective support for 13.5 and 13.7 lowering speed limits in the downtown district I know the council knows that's a really key part of the vision zero agenda And obviously it makes a big difference to bike and pedestrian users as well So so great progress there. We're hoping to see similar moves in the rest of the city Elsewhere in the city as soon as that's practical, especially around schools And in other areas where it's possible 13.7 on the Unlimited free bus rides for college students also really really crucial Key transit users and having that as a link in the transit system Or sorry the overall transportation system is really crucial to making, you know, non motorized non single-use vehicle Transportation options viable. So really appreciate seeing those things move forward. Thanks Thank you. The next public comment will be from david Council is this 13.9 that we're unable to speak on that item This is the consent calendar excluding 13.9. We'll have an opportunity to speak on 13.9 shortly. I'll be back. Thank you If there's no other items on consent item 13.1 to 13.8 Mr. Dewitt Hello, my name is dwayne dewitt. I'm from roseland. I'm glad that you are supporting 13.1 And at the state where it's called the alvarez ordinance It's a good situation to overcome Probably 45 50 years of heavy-handed approach towards those folks that like to drive cars around a bit in their town I hope that some of you have heard a song from back in the day. It's called low rider From a band called war And back in the day we were cruising around to that tune But some folks down here in downtown thought well, you guys are slowing up our traffic here Now isn't it ironic that here today at the same time we're Celebrating this state law that allows people to have cars lower and go cruising You're slowing up the speed limits in downtown Funny how that circle comes back around. It just took us 45 years I think it's a really good thing in a way Most of those cars that you see doing that are made in america Nice low slow american metal And I know you got people saying well, we got to do the The protection of the climate and get to the electric cars But if you've never cruised around in a nice old piece of american metal You're missing something and I think you should go for a ride with the low riders after today's meeting Hop in the car with them cruise your town and see what it's like Back in the day, we'd go up and down 4th street And the reason why there's a no you turn at santa lina avenue Is because then city manager ken blackman was getting frustrated with us teenagers Turning around there and coming back into town But you know, it was a more vibrant town when we were doing that cruise Downtown santa rosa was really kind of a hoppin thing And it was kind of a Wrong decision you might say when they put the heavy hand down on the youth and said well We don't want you in the downtown And basically you've spent another 45 years trying to revitalize downtown santa rosa Where if you just let us cruise and let people be down there You'd have business people stop They get out of their cars. They talk they use the local business You know that foster freeze on four streets been there all that time And they were thriving back in the day because of this So thank you for approving 13.1. I can't stay for 13.9 But i'll just say you know what i'm gonna go out and get in my old car And hold up my old flag and we'll be doing it the american way Low riders all the best to you Thank you. This is eric frazier with the greater cherry street neighborhood association I won't take as long as the colorful mr. DeWitt and his explanation, but I do stand in support of 13.5 As a neighborhood organization, we've worked very hard to Improve our sidewalks improve the walkability We appreciate things like the taco rides on tuesday and the events that are downtown. So I'm glad to see the The common sense approach to the speed limit. I hope it doesn't interrupt the cruising aspect of it, but um, thank you very much Thank you. Seeing no additional people in council chamber providing comment. There are no hands being raised either in zoom Thank you. We will come back and see if there's any comments from or questions from council We'll go ahead and roll call vote Thank you councilmember stapp. Hi councilmember rogers. Hi councilmember okrepke. Hi councilmember fleming. Hi councilmember alvarez Vice mayor mcdonnell. Hi mayor rogers Hi Let the record show this motion passes unanimously Councilmember operas Thank you, madam mayor I would like to introduce or pat introduce uh ordinance adoption 13.9 second reading Ordinance of the council the city of san rosa repealing chapter 11 dash 16 cruising prohibitive within the core area of the city of san rosa Removing the cruising the cruising prohibition and way further reading of the text second Like that was quick. I'll go ahead and give that to councilmember fleming Is there any discussion? No questions from council. We'll go ahead and move to public comment on item 13.9 Thank you. We are now taking public comment on item 13.9 If you are in council chamber and would like to comment But have not provided a speaker card or your name. Please make your way to the podium If you are participating via zoom, please raise your hand or dial star nine You will have three minutes and a countdown timer will alert at the end of that period Uh council, my name is david ask bar and i'm part of the latin rollers car club and also part of the the sonoma county lowrider council Today is a very momentous occasion, but first and foremost. I want to acknowledge the indigenous people of the land my ancestors and The higher power that guides me in order to do the work that I do I want to really thank you On behalf of the council for the hard work that you put into The dialogue and the ongoing conversations With the with the council and the community. I want to also thank the community engagement Folks from the city and the hard work that they Put you know put forth with us and chief cregan the conversations with the chief and and the other city Folks that that is that is making this possible here today Um, I think one of the things that i'm very proud of is that the the council Had the courage to reevaluate itself and its local laws and educate itself In terms of lowriding the the lowrider culture And I think it's a good step towards listening to the community To better enhance the community engagement Piece that you have going with the city And I think it gives those of us that have been placed in a very subaltern positionality within the community to actually Begin to voice our Our perspective with when it comes to To lowriding And so it helps us become visible and it helps your efforts actually begins to create A humane environment so that we can Push forward our humanity because a lot of the a lot of the oppressions that have occurred, you know throughout the centuries Has been about eradicating humanity and today we stand with you in resurfacing our humanity as Cholos as lowrider peoples and culture and community with you to have You see us and for the community at large to To visibly acknowledge Who we are As a community on and I think it enhances the the health of our community overall For further dialogue. I also want to Suggest that you please vote on behalf of ab 436 that's coming up So appreciate your work. Thank you so much Thank you the next public commenter can come to the podium Hello, my name is Maggie par I'm a resident of petaluma in sonoma county, and I'm here as an ally Of the sonoma county council of lowriders and I have come to know many of the members of this community through my Curating and exhibition currently at the petaluma art center. I'm in the board there And I'm here to support repealing of the ordinance to allow Not only cruising especially low riders from what I understand the law has only has primarily been enforced against low riders and also Based on everything I have learned not only about the low rider community, but the history of cruising in this area It's a very popular and beloved pastime and from what I hear combined with the lower speed limit downtown It's it's I think would be good for the city and the culture and I Stand as an ally of the low riders. Thank you Thank you. Can the next public commenters step to the podium Thank you. Hello everybody. My name is Juan Roman and I want to thank you know everybody up there But first I want to you know talk a little bit about myself. My name is Juan. I grew up in Southern california my early years and I feel that Lowriding saved my life and I say this Because a lot of the neighborhood kids That weren't into lowriding. They got you know incarcerated or ended up Getting into drugs or some other some other stuff so If it wasn't for the love and the spirit of lowriding, I don't think I'd be here Um, I I grew up in the south frite district where a lot of People were getting in trouble when we you know, we were teenagers and All my time and money and love Went into the culture building my car cleaning it Shining up the chrome even though the chrome was partly rusted for me. It was gold There was years ago when I was in school I I did some research on prisons and When I think it was governor pete wilson who removed the exercise equipment From the prison system and violence went up Arnold Schwarzenegger not that i'm a fan of his but when Arnold Schwarzenegger, you know Kind of questioned that And he noticed that you know the inmates weren't occupied with exercise Well, violence, um, you know Was increased so he put the equipment back in And so it reduced violence in within the prison systems And with me if it wasn't for me working on my car me working with Other lowrider kids teenagers around my neighborhood I don't know where it would be I stand in front of you guys I'm a college professor now You know, I teach at skyline college and I also teach at the san rosa junior college If lowriding didn't exist, I probably would have been motivated to go to school to stay in school I did that and all of my research went into lowriding My capstone was about lowriding my um A lot of my undergraduate was under, you know, um Objectification of women in lowriding so everything I did in college was about lowriding. I know the culture I'm part of the culture and I stand in front of you guys, you know Let um Let's remove that let's remove and let's remove that ordinance and allow teenagers to go back into the, you know Um, and to the love of cars and to the love of the culture cruising Was fun. I I'm sure some of you guys did it back when, you know When you guys were teenagers, it's just the love of it. Let's keep these kids occupied lowriding. Thank you very much Thank you. Can the next public commenter step to the podium? Thank you. Please go ahead Good afternoon. My name is Oscar Villalobos Campos again. Thank you for having us here today for uh letting us speak So I'm 22 years of age one of the youngsters here that's part of the community Lee or I'm actually the community liaison for the Sonoma County Lowrider Council And I really just want to give a scope of how The removal of this ordinance can lead the way towards assisting youth at risk youth in our communities I currently have ideas that I've been talking to with the guys about potential mentorship opportunities with youth I really do see working on cars cruising cars as a way to stay out of gangs Way to stay out of the streets At the same time staying them but in a positive way Right, so a lot of our youth here So I'll go bit into my background actually have quite a bit of a background working with youth servicing them with the city of Santa Rosa neighborhood services And uh doing a few of my own personal ventures doing school presentations on gang intervention and prevention efforts And something that I see youth really Inclining themselves towards is working on automobiles Um and the number one automobile choice that always catches their eye are those sweet candy paint jobs on lowriders those nice shiny wheels And so I really want to build an opportunity here in Santa Rosa to allow for potential peer mentorships with youth through lowriding It's been proven that lowriding can serve as community healing community unity community engagement and so Really, I'm just wanting to emphasize that here today By showing myself as a personal example Me being one of the young guys here Similar to Juan's story lowriding is something that paved the way for myself to stay out of trouble Inclined me to also further my education also completing a college degree Um, so it's really something powerful. It's more than a car You know, we all like to say there's a common saying that we all say amongst each other's Amongst each other. Sorry that we're all just one spoke on the wheel, right? And it's just one of those ways to really come together and I really hope you all can see that today And also Believe in that potential to grow within our community and those peer mentorships that I really want to work on with youth So I really hope that you all gather here today and help motion towards the repeal of this ordinance. So thank you very much Thank you. Can the next public commenter on item 13.9? Please approach the podium Thank you Good evening everyone. My name is Tristan Selma Medina. I am currently a student at Maria Creole high school Throughout these throughout the process Of the removal of the cruising ordinance. I learned about perseverance dedication being consistent And never giving up no matter how many doors get shut in front of you And I wanted to take the time to thank all the city council members For supporting the repeal of the cruising ordinance Today history will be made and I helped changed it And I can't wait to be back in In a several in several years Because i'll be sitting up there working with you guys Mishika. Thank you Thank you. Are there any additional public comments on item 13.9? Vice mayor, there are no hands being raised to be assumed when we receive no advanced public comments on this item Thank you. I'll come back to council. Do you have any additional comments or questions? We'll go ahead and call the vote Thank you council member staff I apologize. I think mayor rogers had her hand up. I apologize. Mayor rogers. I didn't see you It's okay. I just wanted to say I did not grow up low writing But when that mary lou was unveiled and I believe it was uh former chief Navarro Current chief cregan and myself. We were able to ride in the mary lou around downtown That's when I knew that we had something here and that it would be a lot of fun To do that and to see the cars and everyone was waving and it was just definitely a lot of fun So, um, I'm happy that we're going to see more low riders riding around And I will enjoy looking at all the art because I do think that each vehicle is definitely a piece of art Thank you Thank you, mayor councilmember avarez Thank you, madam mayor To my community. This is what happened when we come together. We could change things Step up be heard We're listening Thank you. We're ready for the vote now Hi, thank you councilmember rogers. Hi councilmember okrepke. Hi councilmember fliming. Hi councilmember alvarez Vice mayor mcdonald. Hi mayor rogers I let the record show this vote passes unanimously We'll now move to item 14 public comment on any non-agenda matters Madam city clerk, would you like to facilitate that for me, please? Thank you. We are now taking public comments on item 14 Non-agenda matters. This is a time When any person may address the council on matters not listed on the agenda But which are within the subject matter jurisdiction of the council If you have not provided a speaker card, please make your way to the podium If you are participating via zoom, please raise your hand or dial star nine You will have three minutes and a countdown timer will alert at the end of that period The first public comment will be from dwayne dwitt I do not see dwayne in the chamber And there are no hands being raised via zoom for public comment on non-agenda matters vice mayor Thank you, and I apologize for the delay. I just want to let the public know we're going to take item 15.1 First and let staff do that report for us And then after that we are going to take a short dinner break and then we will be moving to the public hearing and item Item 15.1 is report zero emissions bus rollout plan Could we get some assistance? Thank you Hey, good afternoon. Mayor rogers vice mayor mcdonald and members of the council We're pleased to be here today to present the san eras a city bus zero emissions bus rollout plan With me today is urie coslyn our subject matter expert on transit fleet electrification will be co-presenting this evening By way of introduction the zero emissions bus rollout plan is a requirement of the california air resources board for All public transit agencies in the state of california And it lays out how we will meet the mandates of the innovative clean transit rule Including transition to a fully zero emissions transit fleet by 2040 This plan also meets the requirements of the federal transit administration So the city can maintain eligibility for discretionary funds. We're using to support that transition So the headline on this as we're proposing a full transition of our fixed-route fleet our 29 bus fixed-route fleet By 2035 that's five years ahead of the ict mandate And full transition of our 12 months paratransit fleet. It's not listed here, but that's the sub headline By 2037 urie's going to talk a little bit more about why that portion of our fleet will be taking a little longer Based on what we know today about the vehicle market for paratransit cutaways i'm gonna we're going to walk through each section of the plan But i'm going to go kind of quickly on the first two sections because they're pretty pro forma and just provide basic information Including the first part of the plan that just describes our agency as well as the city's Climate action as sustainability goals including those listed here on this slide The next section includes general information about our plan to transition and including our major milestones For the transition and i'll just highlight on this slide that Per this plan by 2029 when the innovative clean transit rule requires that 100 of new bus purchases v zero emissions We expect to have already converted about 70 of our fixed-route fleet So we're getting a good head start. There's some agencies that are just getting started, but we're already Pretty far down the learning curve a lot more to learn But we're we're up and running with our electric fleet already and well underway with additional purchases By 2035 we expect to have 100 of the fixed-route fixed-route fleet transitioned as i mentioned as well as 75 Of the paratransit fleet And i'm going to turn it over to urie for a few slides here to delve a little bit more into the technical parts of the plan Thank you, rachel council So this section just i try to identify What type of zero emissions bus are we going to utilize to get to 100 percent? Zebes by 2040 and with the city bus and in our location here in sonoma county Being In the same county as the largest geothermal field Arguably in the world You know our are we're trying to build off that local resource and so we've identified Battery electric buses as our primary Zero emissions bus. There is You know some some of the other Agencies across the state are using hydrogen fuel cell technology, but in for in our case The electric buses makes make more sense especially considering our Our fleet range and the the Locality of the geothermal field here, which in sonoma county We're and so we're not at this time pursuing a mixed fleet with hydrogen fuel cell, but As we continue to reevaluate What the what the market does what we'll look at we'll continue to evaluate that as an option And so we're just in this we're just building off of the history of working with sonoma clean power and Going with 100 percent battery electric buses So here's a picture of the entire fleet We're part of the requirement is you know you avoiding early retirement any buses So all of our once our buses reach their 12-year useful life. That's when we go to replace them We're not considering converting any vehicles At one point that was an option, but uh with with how the market has Progressed it makes much more sense to go to buy a new battery electric bus and that's what we're proposing There's a small error on the slide in terms of the cost estimate on those buses essentially the Fixed route fleet are about 1.5 million ish and then some of the cutaways Depending on the size is between 300 and 500 000 So essentially this is the this is our whole fleet plan here And so you we have our first the requirement from the ict is to That 100 percent of our purchases like rachel said need to be battery electric after 2029 and so the first case in which we're buying cutaways after 2029 is in 2032 um, and so that will take us to Full fleet of full fleet electrification The last purchase will be in 2036 with the with the buses arriving in 2020 2037 as a plan next slide So here's the current fleet as it exists um the two Two's will be removed Any day now they were essentially being kept until the new the four new 2022 electric buses were fully integrated in the fleet and And so we're we're kind of at that juncture. We so we have our first four electric buses that have been on the road since the first of the year and Yes, that's our current fleet move to the next slide And this is what we expect the fleet to be in about a year from now where we will be Retiring The 20 the the 2002 is the 2008's and one of the 2011's and we'll be adding an additional bus to the fleet That was funded through the affordable housing and sustainability communities grant. So you see there will be getting five new electric buses in 2032 and now in the Then the next group of buses to replace are the 20 the rest of the 2011's which have been funded through a A couple of different discretion fta discretionary Grants that our grant manager is secured as well as a number of other the tersep grant a few other Funding sources The 2013's we have There's been three grant applications one. We've heard from that We're not receiving but we have two grant applications currently out for Replacement of those so we're as you can see we're well into Funding and and identifying funding sources for full fleet electrification next slide So here's where we get into our cutaway fleet, you know, I initially stepping into this project Expected, you know, I have a leaf myself A Nissan leaf electric leaf myself and you know, you know, I get over, you know I get just under a hundred miles to a charge and with the Um With with the the paratransit fleet we have about they get about a hundred miles They do about a hundred miles, but the issue is that they're on the road for eight hours a day. So Uh, we've we've done a research. We've gone in we've looked looked at the options in between, you know, the the Gross vehicle weight ratings that require that that are limited on these vehicles and they so they can't handle large batteries to um The grant funds the purchasing mechanisms and such we're delaying the The the we're not the the market's not ready for us to be purchasing the cut the cutaway Cutaway electric vehicles for our paratransit fleet. So We're continuing the public engagement process with some of our our paratransit users And um, we know that we're on a vehicle replacement of every seven to ten years for these particular vehicles So we'll be looking to reevaluate Anytime we go into purchasing The cutaways is the market ready for us to go into Purchasing battery electrics at this point. It's 2032 is when we plan to buy the first one But we'll continue to reevaluate the market to see if we can accelerate that Next slide So now getting into the charging side our facilities You know, typically there's a couple different this is our 40 This is our yard across from the finley center On on stony point road and that's the site As you can see at the kind of the back back of the the parking area there the where Our current charges are and there's an image there on the right of those chargers We've elected there's a couple different charging mechanisms. You can do depot charging or in route charging We're due to due to how the fact that our buses sit for eight hours and our mileage We're we're doing all in depot charging at this site Next slide So here is a kind of just schematic generally of where our charging may occur We know that the kind of the green buses there. That's our kind of that's our phase one that three of those or Six of those parking spaces three chargers are at that site. We work with pg&e to And through their ev fleet program To get that first set of chargers in Now the and that's what we're calling phase one phase two and three will likely be out there in the yard a little farther and we'll be trying to bring on a Somebody who can help us really understand the engineering side of those second and third phases because it's not it's not just Implementing charge chargers at that point. We're looking at resiliency Battery storage a couple different components, which are we need some further guidance on so A portion of that is funded the kind of the five of those chargers are funded in in the second phase and we'll we'll That's kind of we're approximately where we'll go next slide So and this is a list of kind of the charging phases Like I was saying phase ones built phase twos due to be installed and that phase Sorry phase ones built phase one b is due to be installed soon phase two is funded and then phase two plus three and The paratransit Charging are Are too common to be funded Now that we've gotten through the technical stuff. I'm going to jump back in to provide a little bit of wrap up One thing that's really important to the air resources board is that Transit agencies demonstrate that they're not going to just be operating these electric buses on certain routes or in certain parts of their service areas There's really an equitable distribution of this new technology this cleaner technology So this plan will also address the location of our disadvantaged communities based on socio-economic public health and environmental hazard criteria How we're serving those communities with our system and where those electric buses will be deployed and for city bus It's really simple. We circulate all our buses across all routes So the four buses that are out there today the four electric buses are serving every part of the city And that will continue to be true as we add additional electric buses to our fleet Second to last section relates to workforce training. We have to detail how we're going to provide training to our workforce Our supervisors our bus operators and our fleet maintenance staff so they can safely and effectively operate this technology Just the highlight of this is the best method to do this right now is through the vehicle manufacturer because each vehicle is a little different the manufacturers provide very Multi-phased and very in-depth training and so we've purchased those training packages with our first four vehicles And we'll continue to do so and work really closely with fleet maintenance to make sure that our our staff is trained up To safely and effectively maintain these vehicles and you know to be honest there are some maintenance challenges Over time we expect that maintenance will become Less expensive and easier on these vehicles, but you know, we have a learning curve So there have been some challenges out of the gate, which we're working with the manufacturer to resolve And they have a field rep that spent some time here helping us Make sure we can keep these buses on the road So we're having having good success now With with getting these buses and keeping them out on the road and we'll continue to work on that Function as well with additional resources Finally, oh, I think this is the second to last. Yeah So funding quick picture within this plan We're asked to estimate what our total cost is to transition our fleet to zero emissions This includes the charging infrastructure as well as the vehicles We estimate the full transition will cost us about 55 million dollars. That's a no small amount of money to raise We have been successful in winning awards worth about 22 million dollars to date So we are well on our way and the key point here is there's no one funding source That's the sort of the magic bullet for electrification as you can see on the right side of this slide We're piecing this together with a lot of different funding sources at the local state and federal level One thing I think it's important to highlight is the funding we've raised so far about 60 has been from discretionary grants that we've had to compete for As opposed to formula allocations. So it is getting more and more competitive So we're hoping at the state and federal levels the pie will continue to grow because there's a lot more people coming to try to have a piece of the pie The final section relates to carves request that we identify anticipated startup and scale-up challenges for our zero emissions vehicle program We've identified the following four categories The first is cost this is a very costly transition as I mentioned It is very competitive out there for a lot of the funding sources There are some new funding sources coming online and we're going after every single one of them And the good news is we've had a lot of success in the last few years Resiliency is also becoming more and more important As we have up to 50 more than 50 of our fleet now funded to transition to electric vehicles We want to make sure that we have the battery storage generator Whatever we need to ensure that we have continuity of operations With a portion of our fleet in the event of an emergency or or an impact to the electrical grid since we are so closely involved in emergency response activities Yuri discussed the challenge is the paratransit fleet transition So that something we'll be watching closely has he indicated to see if there ways we can accelerate that transition But right now we're waiting on the market And finally less of an area of challenge but more for sort of further exploration and learning is around the technologies that we can employ to To make sure that we're most effectively and cost effectively operating this portion of our fleet And that includes telematics on the vehicle that'll help us really make sure we're managing the charge in the field and the range of the vehicle As well as the charge management for our our bus depot So that we're taking the best advantage of the rate that we have to charge these vehicles and minimizing our costs to fuel them So those are both areas we're doing more work in currently So with that just to summarize we're seeking counsel approval tonight of this initial zero emissions bus rollout plan with the understanding that this is a Living document and there's many factors that will cause us to bring updates to this plan Including the results of the city-wide ev master plan Changes in funding availability changes in the market around paratransit vehicles or other vehicles So we'll be continuing to Work forward to continue this transition and this will be a starting point and we're happy to take any questions Thanks Thank you for your presentation looking to counsel for questions Councilmember strap It's great to see how far along the city is and making the transition One of the one of the great benefits of evs is that in spite of the the higher startup costs You can make that up in the back end. You've got lower fuel costs. You've got lower maintenance costs Does the same hold true for for city fleets that are that are Converting the evs We think that the maintenance costs long term it's been seen by other agencies that have adopted This technology a little sooner that we expect maintenance costs to go down. There are just fewer moving pieces You know, we have a number of things in place to Warranty the batteries and other pieces to make sure that they're they're operating to spec The fuel the the fueling cost I think that remains to be seen a bit because there is so much uncertainty around electricity rates And so I think we're going to learn a lot in the coming year I think I think next year we'll we'll have a better answer to give you on that We certainly hope that over time the the cost to charge these buses will be less than we're paying for diesel fuel But it's a little bit uncertain at this time Thank you I just have one question When you go to the charging stations a lot of times cars, they have to charge out in the field when they're out and about And I understand that our buses are going to be Able to be routed to go back to the yard and and can you explain how that's going to work for us? So if i'm understanding the question correctly, um I think you want to know how so how our buses will interface with the charging station The timing of that run out of a charge if they're out on a route is I guess the question Yeah, yeah So that's a really good question because there is um on-route charging that we could deploy and we we could deploy in the future Say in the transit mall, but the way our system operates and um the mileage that we we undertake every day And the fact that we have the buses parked overnight It really provides an opportunity to do that depot charging So the buses we have and that we're ordering have the ability to do an entire 14 hour service day on a single charge Then we plug them in at night. They charge overnight That could change over time I mean as the the vehicles develop as the charging technology develops So we may take a different approach, but for now the depot charging makes the most sense Great, thank you so much for that. Is there any more questions from council? Madam city clerk, will you please facilitate public comment? Thank you vice mayor. We are now taking public comment on item 15.1 If you are in council chamber, we'd like to comment but have not provided a speaker card or your name Please make your way to the podium. If you are participating via zoom, please raise your hand or dial star nine You will have three minutes and a countdown timer will alert at the end of that period I'm going to turn it over to our zoom host. We have two hands raised. This is for item 15.1 Thank you. Adina will be first followed by shelby Adina, I'm asking you to Go ahead when you're ready Good evening council. I appreciate this presentation on potentially switching to EV vehicles for buses and The associated cost around 55 million has the proposition. However, these narratives and endeavors Benefit the Caucasians individuals which are promoting them. There's been absolutely no mention as to how this affects minorities I'm actually a journalist for the california globe and have an article coming out about this very issue today or tomorrow The batteries that are utilized to power electric vehicles Use materials such as cobalt, which is mined in the congo by black children for two dollars a day Under inhumane working conditions the projections for these batteries are Expected to exponentially expand about 600 percent over the next few years Governor Newsom and president biden actually have proposed to do domestic Manufacturing on these materials and have not laid out a plan To facilitate that more easily accessible So again, I ask you why are we not considering fair trade how this is affecting our foreign partners and suppliers the lovely councilmember chris rogers who Has a distaste for black people as I believe he forced The former current mayor natalie rogers to retract her statements about racism. Why is this not being considered? We had a young woman in healdsburg who just had a noose put in her car And her transmission engine completely messed with because she's black and latina But there's no mention of this in the media. I write for the media. So I know so again Why are we only focused on narratives that benefit white people and we want to keep minorities in check? Please speak to this. Thank you Thank you and next will be shelby shelby. I'm allowing your permissions to speak go ahead when you're ready Thank you council Can you hear me? Yes Okay I have a couple issues. Uh, I'd like to speak on about this very matter. It's interesting to me that Again, as miss floras mentioned, there's no mention of the fact that we're putting the environment ahead of children and people I am all about The fact that the world's ecosystem needs to be protected But not at the cost of minorities and especially not at the cost of black minorities I think it's interesting that we're talking about all the things that you're going to invest in But are you going to actually source the material that this The these buses are built with are these buses affecting anybody of color? whatsoever If they are I don't see any equity in them I don't see the environment more important than people. I don't see animals more than important than people I think it's interesting that We are hearing about how this is helping the environment and no mention Of how it affects our fellow human beings If we all Live under the same roof And we all believe in god Then we understand that our time here is temporary Nothing we can do Will change the outcome There is always going to be a start and a finish So that being said I'm all about helping the environment But not at the cost of human beings We cannot move forward with Doing any kind of investment in these type of products if they are not Doing things legitimately with the material that they are using If we continue to push this agenda, it's only going to hurt my community worse than it already is Children making two dollars a day to mine the batteries so that you can sit your privileged Uh cells in your white utopic space And act like you're doing the environment a service while you're hurting us In another country The last thing you want is a war with Africa Because there's too many black people here already Please consider Taking the responsibility To do your due diligence and make sure that the materials that they are using to buy to do these This equipment is not coming from there. If it is do not buy the equipment. It's that simple You still be Next step will be jamie You're being asked to unmute go ahead when you're ready Um jamie, obviously I apologize that I missed a good bit of this meeting, but I was logging in in order to Um just give my experience Having a short term rental in sonoma county in center osa in the city center osa And we have one house that we own this We're actually on item 15 or pardon me. Yes 15 point Around 15.1. I apologize We'll be doing item 16.1. Um after we take a short break. Thank you. Thank you my apologies Okay resident calling in with the last four digits 8208 I'll be allowing your permissions Go ahead when you're ready You're being asked to unmute If you're calling in and your and your phone number ends in 8208 Go ahead when you're sorry about that. Go ahead. You can continue Yes, go ahead No, I didn't have a question. No worries. Just continue. Okay. Thank you. Jessica. You're up next I'm asking you to unmute. Please go ahead when you're ready Am I unmuted? Yes, you are go ahead um, is this where we can Say our comment about The rentals That will be coming up after This is item 15.1 We'll be taking a short break and then item 16.1 will be coming up and then that's when you would give your comment Okay, then I don't have any comment right now. I'm sorry about that. Thank you. That's okay I'm seeing no additional hands raised on zoom for item 15.1 and we had no prerecorded messages for this item Thank you ronda. Is there any additional questions from council? Seeing none, we'll go ahead and call the vote Or pardon me council member rogers. We put a motion on the floor. I'd be happy to thank you vice mayor I will move approval of the resolution of the city of santa rosa Approving the city bus zero emission bus rollout plan And just say a huge. Thank you to rachel and yuri and jason and everybody on the team who's been so focused on this And has been moving this project forward. Thank you second It's been moved in second and by council member fleming. I second his comments then And we'll go ahead and call the vote Thank you council member step. Hi council member rogers Hi council member okrepke. Hi council member fleming. Hi council member alvarez. Hi vice mayor mcdonald. Hi mayor rogers I let the record show that vote passes unanimously Thank you. We'll go ahead and take a short break. We will recess until 645 and come back for our public hearing 645 so we're going to go ahead and get started To maintain an efficient meeting and respect the public's time public comment on item 16.1 will be two minutes And then additionally if you hear a speaker ahead of your own comment that's stating your same opinion and you'd rather Restate the same or similar opinion. You can show sign of support by raising your hands and waving them like this And with that we'll go ahead and get started on item 16.1 Through the vice mayor, can we call a roll? Yes, please. Thank you Council member step here council member rogers council member okrepke here council member fleming here council member alvarez Vice mayor mcdonald here mayor rogers Present let the record show all council members are present Thank you vice mayor item 16.1 is a public hearing short-term rentals ordinance amendments And if each of you could just state your name for the record. Thank you jessica jones deputy director of planning jesse oswald chief building official sherry mead senior planner lukirk assistant chief building official Okay, thank you and good evening. Mayor rogers vice mayor mcdonald and council members As mentioned i'm jessica jones. I'm the deputy director of planning I just wanted to give a brief introduction for this item before senior planner meads goes into her main presentation The as mentioned the item before you is the short-term rental ordinance and proposed amendments to that ordinance which Lives in the city's zoning code Miss mead is going to be going into the history of the ordinance and the specifics of the proposal before you Including the planning commission's recommendation to council from their april meeting I did want to highlight that the city staff has spent a lot of time reviewing the record working with the Ordinances before you as well as hearing from members of the public both in support of short-term rentals as well as opposed to them With that in mind the proposed amendments that are before you are focused on Making the ordinance clearer and easier to administer for both the public as well staff And I did want to quickly mention that at the conclusion of miss mead's presentation I'm going to be popping back in with just a few items for council's consideration before you start your Public hearing and deliberation. So with that, I'd like to hand it over to miss meads Thank you for that great introduction jessica as she mentioned and I mentioned before i'm sherry meads I'm a senior planner in the planning and economic development department. I've been involved with the short-term rentals ordinance Development since day one So it's exciting to bring this before you and and Maybe we'll be able to finish out the ordinance tonight if not get close Jessica provided the agenda that I was going to was going to give so I'll go ahead and move on to the next slide And basically as she mentioned you're being asked tonight to review Ordinance amendments to the existing language in the zoning code Primarily, we've revised and added new definitions and some policies which I'll go over in more detail later But a lot of this incorporates technical changes like jessica mentioned We've worked with this ordinance for almost 20 months now And through that time we've realized who that would have been better in this section or that section So when we say technical changes, we're talking about grammar punctuation Organization of the ordinance itself Not substantive changes So there's quite a bit of that in these amendments as well as the addition of clarifying language That doesn't change the substance of the ordinance, but hopefully makes it more clear For those implementing and also operating a short-term rental the short-term rental program I'm going to provide a review of the community feedback that we've received I'll highlight briefly the Feedback from the original survey that we did before the urgency ordinance But dive deeper into the community feedback that we did this this time around So I'm pretty sure most of us know what a short-term rental is But just in case anyone in the audience doesn't I just want to give a brief definition That they're a type of transient lodging where a dwelling unit or a portion of a dwelling unit Is rented for a period of less than 30 days So it's important to note that if someone's renting their home for more than 30 days The city doesn't require any type of permit and any, you know Over we don't look at that. So these are just rentals that are less than 30 days And short-term rentals are further defined as either hosted where the owner lives and sleeps on site during the short-term rental Period or non hosted where the owner does not live and sleep on site during the short-term period And some folks call these airbnb's which is just a company name that does short-term rental listings or vacation rentals So now i'm going to get into a little bit of the background of how we got to where we are tonight Prior to october of 2021 the city did not regulate short-term rentals other than prohibiting accessory dwelling units That were constructed after january 2018 from being rented for less than 30 days, and we always required short-term renter short-term rental operators to remit transient occupancy tax, which is not a charge against the owners. It's a charge against the The individuals staying in the short-term rental and the the owner is responsible for remitting that transient occupancy tax And business improvement area assessments for rentals of less than 30 days That was always required and in june of 2021 the city created a dedicated email address Which many of you know as short-term rentals at srcity.org And that email address was dedicated to receiving inquiries and suggestions related to strs and potential new policies to regulate them So as you can see on the slide above, I won't go through the dates, but We brought this conversation to the economic development subcommittee in august of 2021 And september of 2021 looking for direction because we were recognizing that short-term rentals were being operated in the city without any operating standards or Regulations other than the ones i just mentioned So staff presented the economic development subcommittee with information about how many short-term rentals might be operating in the city And this was based on a third party enforcement company doing a web scrape of of the most common listing Services and they let us know that they there could have been up to as much as 375 Operating in the city So based on public testimony and the information presented committee members directed staff to draft regulations for council review and action to address short-term rentals The community compatibility public safety threats related to wildfires and other potential emergencies requiring evacuation Addressing their impact on limited housing stock and at the time the covet 19 pandemic So once we got that direction from the economic development subcommittee We wanted to reach out to the to the community as quickly as we could because we knew we were bringing back the ordinance on an urgency basis which would be effective immediately and because it was an urgency ordinance it didn't go through the the more rigorous public engagement process or Planning commission vetting prior to being acted upon Acted upon so we did put out a survey and record time. It had a huge response And so we felt good that at least we were able to reach some community members um prior to bringing the urgency ordinance back to council so on october 13th 2021 The council adopted an ordinance to add chapter 2048 to the zoning code And that established a regulatory framework for short-term rentals And during all of those meetings with the economic development subcommittee and even at the october 21st city council meeting There were certain items that didn't make it into the urgency ordinance. They didn't rise to that level of Um being able to be acted on in an urgency basis So at the time we were told hey, you know consider looking at these other things too and and some of that is brought Before you tonight and i'll explain that later so After the ordinance passed on october 2021. We worked with it for a while. We had a very large onslaught of permit applications Um, and we were very behind in in being able to enforce the ordinance due to staffing issues And also get the permits turned around as quickly as we had hoped So we went back to the economic development subcommittee in may of last year And we brought an update on you know permitting and enforcement status ongoing enforcement issues and potential ordinance amendments to be considered subcommittee members directed staff to bring forward an Ordinance again on an urgency basis to to stop accepting new applications For non-hosted short-term rentals and to clarify that code enforcement penalties apply to permit holders and Folks that fell into a category called operators and good standing They met certain requirements to have registered for t o t by the end of october and to have applied for a short-term rental permit By december 2nd So the economic development subcommittee also expressed support for establishing a short-term rental permit renewal fee And then on august 9th 2022 There we go. City council did adopt an urgency ordinance to set a maximum number of 198 non-hosted short-term rental permits to be issued citywide and to clarify that uh All the enforcement penalties apply to permit holders as well as operators and good standing the council by resolution also established a short-term rental permit renewal fee And then almost immediately after those actions staff began a very robust community engagement effort And you'll hear about the results of these efforts later in the presentation staff started meeting with industry Representatives and neighborhood individuals and groups conducted a second online public sentiment survey and hosted in-person pop-up events at various locations throughout the city and the goal with the Pop-up events was to reach community members that are not already within the short-term rental ecosystem. We have a lot of people that have been in this Short-term rental discussion from day one and they usually are very well attended at these meetings However, we wanted to reach out to as many people as we could that may not be as familiar with the topic and get their input So as part of our outreach events, we also hosted two virtual community meetings We presented to the Santa Rosa tourism business improvement area advisory board Met with members of the Sonoma county action partnership roseland community building initiative and participated in a live radio broadcast On kbbf radio 89.1, which is a little plug is the first bilingual public radio station in the us us Then just a few weeks ago on october I'm sorry on april 27th the planning commission held a public hearing to consider the proposed short-term rental ordinance amendments And staff will also be providing a brief summary of the planning commission meeting and recommendation later in the meeting So I know that's a lot, but I I think it's important to show that this conversation has been ongoing And it's been we've tried to engage with the community quite a bit and also our leaders So now i'm just going to briefly highlight the current short-term rental standards and requirements And it's important to note that in the in the ordinance itself the beginning of the chapter There's a section called purpose and the purpose of the city's short-term rental ordinance Is noted to be a regulatory framework So that short-term rental activities do not become a nuisance or threat to the public peace welfare health or safety of neighboring properties It is intended to preserve the city's limited housing stock to retain the residential characteristics of neighborhoods And to facilitate the collection of transient occupancy taxes And business improvement assessments So the ordinance establishes as you can see permit requirements Limits occupancy and parking standards Uh limits the number of guests that can visit the short-term rental during the short-term rental period general operating requirements and life safety regulations The ordinance also established a code enforcement Procedure and penalties and as you can see on the chart above, uh the ordinance Direct initial complaints to a 24-7 contact which was required All violations um were verified by code staff prior to enacting any of these penalties And i've got excellent code enforcement experts here that are going to go more into that and provide any Answers to questions that you may have So just a quick quick look um one of the resources that's available on the city short-term rentals website Via a search permits tab or um via the url shown on the slide above Is a map which identifies locations where short-term rental permit applications have been submitted and their statuses When you first go to the map the default is to show non-hosted short-term rentals Which is what you're looking at here the colored dots represent the statuses There's a legend actually on the on the on the website that's not captured on the slide And then it also has it shows the buffer around each of the non-hosted short-term rentals So that's what you're seeing in the larger Circles that surround the colored dots in the center So you can also on this website look at non You can look at the non-hosted which is a default or you can make a selection to look at hosted only or all short-term rentals Throughout the city So as you can see here There are non-hosted short-term rentals throughout the city Although you can see that some areas are more impacted than others The more impacted areas tend to be where applicants Met that definition of operator and good standing that I mentioned earlier where they had registered for transient occupancy tax By the end of october and they submitted a short-term rental permit by december 3rd 2021 This allowed them to avoid the 1 000 foot separation setback required for all subsequent non-hosted short-term rental permit applications So this was a current str permit status as of may 15th 2023 And we definitely have new applications for renewals and new applications for hosted that have come in Since that time and we're The needle always moves these numbers were accurate at that time They could not be accurate the next day not dramatically different But things will move from one category to the next from pinning and plan review to hopefully issued approved Staff is almost completely through all non-hosted applications that were submitted prior to the cap being enacted that we talked about that happened in august of last year And we continue to process new hosted and short-term rental permit renewal applications So as you can see by the third bullet point Short-term rentals comprise less than 1 of the city's existing housing stock And working with our awesome gis team staff was able to determine that if that cap was lifted And new non-hosted short-term rental permits were permitted to fill in areas available after 1 000 foot separation setback requirements, there could be approximately 846 non-hosted short-term rental citywide now that 846 Does not take into consideration parcels where more than one unit could be used as a non-hosted short-term rental That would increase the total So i'm going to turn it over to lou who is going to talk about the Code enforcement statistics unless you would rather I just breeze through that slide and we get to your stuff at the end Let's do that. Okay. So as you can see here. This is also a snapshot in time It is code enforcement status as of may 15th 2023 And this is just for you to take a quick look at and I will let um any questions um and comments be Handled by our awesome code folks So now the meat of the the meat of the reason why we're here tonight the proposed amendments And now we're ready to talk about what it is that staff is proposing for your consideration action And as I mentioned before where you see technical changes its corrections and grammar style punctuation And other minor matters So i'm just going to go through there are only 80 Eight i'm sorry subcategories subsections within the ordinance and i'm just going to quickly breeze through it and tell you Uh a little bit of a highlight of what's happening and proposed for each one Only technical changes are proposed for section 20-48 0.010 which outlines the purpose of the short-term rentals ordinance which I read um previously and Proposed modifications to section 20-48 0.020 Which identifies application of the chapter includes technical changes and language clarifying that ordinance requirements apply to short-term rental owners Agents local contacts short-term renters and daytime guests of short-term renters Proposed modifications to section 20-48 0 3 0 Definitions include technical changes. We were able to delete some unnecessary terms And the addition of definitions for renoticing fee and then a Clarification and a separate definition for short-term rental permit application new and short-term rental permit application renewal since those were We now had established that renewal application process and fee which is lower than the new So next 20-48 0.040 Uh, there are quite a few suggested modifications to this section Primarily, they are type technical in nature, but I'll walk through the each of the subsections again quickly that include anything beyond technical changes So in the section titled permit requirements technical changes and addition of unit type restrictions Including a prohibition on issuing new short-term rental permits for all ad us It's currently only prohibited in ad us that were built Completed after january 2018 when our ad ordinance went into effect That was a little bit of a gray area when we first went to council council had indicated that they did not want them in ad use at all So staff is doing recommending a cleanup now To where the ones that already have received a permit would be able to continue to renew that permit But if they stop renewing that permit, no new short-term rental permit would be Issued for that ad you and that's to protect that type of housing So other prohibited unit types include income restricted affordable housing Ad use except as previously noted jdus, which are junior accessory dwelling units student housing dormitories and single room occupancy facilities Senior transitional and temporary housing units and the idea here is to preserve these unit types Which often has vulnerable populations and to preserve them for their intended use Staff has also added language clarifying that non residential areas within buildings may not be used for short-term rental purposes Location requirements and permit limits proposed modifications include technical changes And then based on prior discussions with the economic development subcommittee and city council direction Staff has added a policy to limit short-term rental owners to one hosted and one non-hosted short-term rental permit within city limits The initial application section proposed modifications include technical changes clarification of initial application requirements and processes and the removal of unnecessary language Section on duration of short-term rental permit proposed modifications Clarify that short-term rental permits are valid for one year from issue date and that short-term rental permits are automatically Void upon expiration, but can be renewed subject to restrictions And then the annual renewal section just clarifies the short-term rental permit annual renewal application process requirements and limits So section 20-48 0.40 continued neighborhood notification Proposed modifications clarify when neighborhood notification is required And that is only if there is a change to Something of importance to the neighbors that they would want to know Like the local contact information or if there's a change in bedrooms That would affect the number of people that are allowed to be on the site and parking requirements Transferability, we just clarify language Related to non-transferability of short-term rentals and provide that any subsequent reapplication Is considered a new short-term rental application and would be subject to all new short-term rental permit requirements Including the 1 000 foot separation requirement for non-hosted short-term rentals There's a new section about how someone could lose that operator in good standing status Which again was Based on meeting certain parameters and allowed them to avoid that 1 000 foot separation setback So there's a section explaining that The denial section has been expanded a bit. There's technical changes an addition of additional justifications for denial Appeals propose modifications clarify the appeal process for the director determinations And that's it for that section. Okay registration requirements So propose modifications currently include Only technical changes however upon further staff review staff would like to propose Some additional clarifying language for council consideration when we get to that point. I shouldn't go through it now, right? So basically what the change would be is that subsection a just clarifies It brings it more in line with what the transient occupancy tax chapter of the city code already includes And the same would be for subsection b which relates to santa rosa tourism business improvement area assessments It would just be bringing the short-term rental language in to To be the same as what's already in chapter 656 Okay occupancy and parking requirements the changes include technical changes and then to clarify that parking space size Requirements are consistent with city parking design standards. Again. It's just clarifying language That is that's something that's always been the case But we want to make this as as clear and easy to understand To help folks to to remain compliant And then 20 48 0 7 0 Operating requirements was formally called operational standards again a lot of technical changes and reorganization And the addition again based on prior city council discussion and economic development subcommittee discussion A little more information about outdoor lighting requirements trash and recycling facilities The addition of water conservation requirements if the city is in a declared emergency Exit fire and emergency signage and in addition to what staff was proposing for this section Planning commission added a recommendation to prohibit outdoor burning at short-term rentals Including recreational fires fire pits outdoor fireplaces barbecues grills and fire and bonfires We'll get to more of that again, but that that is the section where that lives So I think we're ready to move on to enforcement, which that section was completely rewritten And that was rewritten by our Excellent code staff and if you want to walk through some of the changes I would welcome the break to take a drink and i'm sure everybody's tired of hearing my voice certainly The largest thing we did was to make some minor adjustments For example, the the prior ordinance imposed a requirement that a complainant reach out directly to the Local contact for the short-term rental staff felt that placed neighbors in an adversarial position So that section has been removed and it's it's still an option, but it's not a requirement And then we encouraged them to use the 24 7 hotline or the other Mechanisms we have to to register complaints with the city Other than that it was a lot of cleanup language a lot of technical Improvements as sherry's been talking about But we did align the maximum fine amounts with those provided by the government code provisions that are specific To short-term rentals and that increased them to 1500 for first violation $3,000 for a second violation and $5,000 for third and subsequent violations again. Those are maximums And I believe that is the Really the extent of it. I think we put some clarifying language in regarding revocation uh previously it existed in a table we broke that out into a new section and um That really summarizes those changes. Thank you back to me again everyone um, so proposed amendments that staff has suggested and are included in your packet already that were Thought about after planning commission discussion and that type of thing are highlighted here. Um, and it was basically related to making applicants making it very clear to applicants when a short-term rental renewal application would be required and um Clarifying the time frame just of submitting that and letting folks know that the city does not we The city does not provide notification typically when any permit is about to expire it is it is the Responsibility of the permit holder of any type to know when that is the case So we also added language to clarify that if a short-term rental permit application is not received prior to That the short-term rental activities must cease and and again, that's that's The same as pretty much any permit that we have in the city So it's just bringing everything in alignment and bringing it as clear as possible to the forefront And these changes are all consistent with the revisions that were recommended by the planning mission And as I mentioned, they're already in your packet. So there's nothing that would be additive So before acting on Uh, approving and adopting zoning code text amendments, there are certain requirements that have to be found and I'm going to walk through each of those Um, and give uh, basically what's called an in that statement showing how staff was able to make these findings So the first finding is that the proposed the proposed amendment must be consistent with the goals and policies of the general plan and any specific applicable specific plan And the proposed amendments further existing policies related to economic vitality Police services fire protection and noise and they do not allow density beyond what is currently allowed further the residential section of the land use and livability general plan element Includes seven residential land use classifications that are established to provide for the development of a full range of housing types With a goal to maintain a diversity of neighborhoods and buried housing stock to satisfy a wide range of needs So while the short-term rental ordinance allows for a more transient occupancy of residential units in the city It would not permanently remove said units from the uh housing stock And The units would can still continue to count towards the city's overall housing stock and would not be altered such that they could not Be immediately returned to longer term residential use at the end of the one-year term of a short-term rental permit So additionally the concentration requirements within the ordinance which limits non-hosted short-term rentals to no more than one Within a thousand foot radiance radius further limits the impact of these short-term rental leases on the city's overall housing stock Next the proposed amendment would not be detrimental to the public interest health safety convenience or welfare of the city And the proposed amendments actually strive to improve and enhance Implementation and enforcement of the short-term rentals ordinance to ensure that short-term rentals are compatible with the neighborhoods in which they are located Further the proposed amendments limit the number of non-hosted short-term rental permits That a single entity can own to encourage a fairer distribution of non-hosted short-term rental permits and To be in more alignment with what we had heard from the economic development subcommittee and the city council early on Which was to encourage Local if possible people instead of people considering these a business entity so The proposed amendments also prohibit short-term rental activities and all accessory dwelling units which have not previously received in str and protects other sensitive housing types The proposed amendment is internally consistent with other applicable provisions of the zoning code Except were explicitly identified such as the extension of quiet hours And the requirement that short-term rental owners register for t o t and b i a prior to submittal of a short-term rental permit The proposed amendments have been reviewed and found by staff and the planning commission to be internally consistent with all other provisions of the zoning code So now we're going to talk about community outreach and engagement at each of our community at each of our city council meetings they Noted the fact that we had to do we were working on such a quick time frame that we weren't able to engage in a robust outreach process So when we brought the last Item to the city council they said Next time we do anything with this ordinance We want you to go through the regular route of robust community engagement and have it vetted through the planning commission So we did And it's probably no surprise that short-term rentals in the city generate strong opinions Both in favor and opposed That's not something unique to santa rosa and is seen across synom county and throughout california and actually the nation So the 2022 engagement efforts derived results that are very similar to those that were received from the community prior to And after the adoption of the short-term rentals Ordinance in october of 2021 and its subsequent amendment last summer Now we're going to get into the results of um Primarily the survey But then we go in a little bit more about some just Conversations that have happened with neighborhood groups and industry folks A bit later, but first we'll go through the public sentiment survey It was conducted between september 23rd and december 18th of last year. There were 19 127 total responses after um obvious and self identified duplicates people were We're trying to see if they could take it more than once and then they would write in and say Hey, I took it five times and so we were able to eliminate Those and then also some that we spotted that seemed to have have the same pattern So as you can see here, most survey respondents live in santa rosa full time and most own residential property in the city Most don't own a short-term rental, but 13 did report owning a short-term rental in santa rosa or elsewhere When we asked survey respondents to evaluate the existing cap of 198 non-hosted short-term rentals city-wide 63 percent of respondents felt that the caps should remain as is or that there should be even fewer non-hosted short-term rentals 35 percent of respondents feel the cap should be made larger or eliminated altogether When asked if the city should limit how many short-term rentals an entity can own 68 percent of respondents said yes When asked about the existing 1000 foot minimum separation between non-hosted short-term rentals and single family dwellings 65 percent of survey respondents felt this was Should be unchanged or made even larger Most respondents felt the 1000 foot minimum distance between non-hosted short-term rentals should be the same city-wide with no exceptions made for downtown As you can see here 66 percent of survey respondents indicated that short-term rentals and multifamily units should be separated by 1000 feet more than 1000 feet or not allowed at all in multifamily units When asked about current code enforcement penalties 75 of respondents felt that existing penalties are adequate or not harsh enough And we asked folks to identify which council district they live in and provided a little map with the survey for folks to be able to identify in case they didn't know And as you can see here there there's a there's a range in in our responses, but definitely more in District four, which is where we also could see the highest amount of Close together non-hosted short-term rental permits in the previous slides As you can see here also 10 of respondents to the survey did not Claim did not claim to live in the city of santa rosa. So they didn't answer this and then 10 percent did not respond So That is the survey and what the responses and percentages are shown from that community sentiment survey Now we're just going to talk about what we've heard Through outreach from before the urgency ordinance through today And that is that there are definitely advantages To short-term rentals and that they provide economic benefits to the city and to other and to other Areas where the short-term rental activity brings people whether that's a Restaurant or a bar or a winery or or a grocery store that type of thing They provide a positive impact on businesses that support short-term rentals We've heard from people that provide house cleaning services for them that they are well paid And have consistent work through that opportunity We've heard a lot that they provide a good investment opportunity And that they provide a positive impact on tourism helping to keep santa rosa attractive and affordable to visit short-term rental guests frequently visit local attractions They offer an alternative lodging for traveling families and professionals that do not want to stay in a hotel for an extended period of time Or even a short period of time Non-hosted short-term rentals provide greater income and flexibility than having a long-term rental And non-hosted short-term rentals allow families and individuals who live in different places for periods of the year to make money while they are away We also hear and I know you guys do as well That there are people who feel that there are a lot of disadvantages to short-term rentals and I want to Express that most I'm trying to think if I've ever heard Myself personally as staff a negative View on hosted short-term rentals and I don't believe I have everything I've heard has been Related to the impact of non-hosted short-term rentals And as you can see on the slide folks that live near them feel that they are basically a hotel or a business that would otherwise Not be allowed in a residential neighborhood That the since the 1000 foot non-hosted separation did not apply to those folks that that meet the definition of operating and good standing There are still pockets of the city that suffer from over-concentration of non-hosted short-term rentals That short-term rentals are not subject to the same degree of inspections and restrictions like ADA requirements So that they have an unfair advantage over other lodging types Um, something we hear frequently is that each short-term rental potentially removes a residential unit that could be used by someone Or a family hoping to live full time in the community We hear that short-term rentals inflate real estate prices, but neighbors wanting to sell Say they must disclose a short-term rental nearby potentially negatively impacting home values I tried to do a little research on that and spoke with some Realtors, there's not a specific question about do you live next door to a short-term rental that somebody would have to answer? Yes or no, it's just in the disclosure section They would have to potentially disclose the potential for a nuisance if if they see that that's Possible with the short-term rental short-term rental people that live near a short-term rental have expressed it every Time every weekend every week when they see somebody new pulling up It's stressful because they don't know if it's going to turn into one of the incidents that we've heard that have happened in the city and and more Across across california in the country So a couple more things that we hear pretty frequently is that short-term rentals pit neighbors against neighbors That short-term rentals have a negative effect on neighborhood cohesiveness and character That short-term rentals are basically making money at the expense of the neighbor's ability to peacefully enjoy their homes and outdoor spaces Non-hosted short-term rentals reduce community connections and reduce the number of students in schools Reduce community volunteers and regulars at local businesses And again the frequent turnover of guests damage feelings of community and safety Because guests it was stated that guests do not consider impacts on neighbors And they don't necessarily keep the same waking hours of surrounding homes So based on all of that the survey and the the comments that you've heard Um through through staff just now and through emails that you've received yourselves Staff in the planning commission have identified Some additional areas That council can consider That is to prohibit non-hosted short-term rentals and residential zones To decrease increase or eliminate the non-hosted short-term rental cap To reduce or increase the required non-hosted setback And to provide an alternative separation requirement for multifamily units Staff and the planning commission are not recommending these changes at this time Because implementation of any of the above would likely create a situation where existing short-term rental permits filed and issued in good faith Would become non-conforming Further staff has not received council direction to make any fundamental changes to the ordinance with the exception of adding a limit To the number of non-hosted short-term rental permits allowed per owner Which came from early discussion and that is already included in the proposed amendments before you tonight So now just a quick recap of the april 27th planning commission public hearing it was a well attended meeting with a lot of public comments and At the end planning commission voted four to two to recommend the proposed text text amendments But they also included as mentioned before a mention I'm sorry a motion to include an amendment to prohibit all outdoor burning at short-term rentals Four commissioners found the amendments would provide additional and necessary clarification to regulations There were two descending votes on either side of the issue non-hosted short-term rentals One of the planning commissioners um expressed that they feel that non-hosted short-term rentals are like hotels And are not compatible in residential neighborhoods and are not consistent with the zoning coder general plan Another council member um stated that they felt there should be an increase in the proposed limitation on the number of non-hosted short-term rental permits That a single property owner um can obtain from one to three and neither of those um Gained full favor of the council so other comments that we heard from council members Were to include different fines for lesser violations However, uh staff addressed that in stating that sometimes when something appears that it might be Uh a lesser type of violation it can lead to things that that can be an issue But that's something obviously for council um to make a decision tonight Uh there was a discussion about requiring a minimum trash receptacle size And or requiring a minimum number of nights stay the the number was was provided it to I'm almost done so Staff has determined that adoption of these zoning code amendments is exempt from cqa And that it does not meet the definition of a project as defined in cqa guideline section 15378 As it has no potential for resulting in physical change Alternatively or additionally this action is not subject to cqa Pursuant to sections 15061 c2 and 15061 b3 In that the activity will not result in a direct or reasonably foreseeable indirect physical change or significant impact on the environment Also adoption of the proposed amendments is exempt from cqa guideline section 15307 and 15308 Because requiring a short terminal permit program that imposes standards related to water conservation Refuse management noise outdoor burning and emergency evacuation Actually serves to further Protect national resources and the environment So finally we get to staff To this slide it is recommended by the planning commission and the planning and economic development department that the city council Introduce an ordinance amending the text of title 20 of the santa rosa city code Chapter 20-48 short-term rentals to revise and add new definitions and policies and to incorporate technical changes Including reorganization and clarifying language to improve functionality in aid in implementation and enforcement In and we would like to include when we get to that point the Changes that I have outlined to sections 20-48 point zero five zero And 20-48 zero eight zero The things that I mentioned during the presentation and now We are here to answer your questions Thank you for your patience Thanks, sherry. Um, and if I might Council members just give a couple of additional items for your consideration. Um, just following up on on what sherry has just talked about So there's five items that we want the council to To consider as you're going through your deliberations On the first being related to the outdoor burning as sherry mentioned the original proposed language that went to the planning commission included Allowance for outdoor burning With regulations Associated with that We worked very closely with the fire department on those regulations However, the planning commission identified Concerns about outdoor burning and really it was particularly identified for the non-hosted permits when we've got folks who are staying there who are not necessarily familiar with the issues that Sienna rosa has had in the last several years Although what ended up in the ordinance that is before you tonight is a strict prohibition On all outdoor burning for short-term rentals and did not distinguish between the hosted or non-hosted And it also as you'll note includes barbecues and grills We have heard from a number of members of the public Regarding um one hosted Rentals where the property owner is living on site that that could be an issue and they want to be able to use their barbecues and grills But also Just the use of barbecues and grills for short-term rentals So we have been in conversation with the fire marshal and talking about potential options for language That could allow some outdoor burning and so we do have Fire emotional lo and thought here to help with that should the council want to consider that The next one is the maximum number of non-hosted short-term rental permits allowed per owner. As sherry mentioned The proposed amendments include a suggestion for one per property owner And that came out of discussions from the economic development subcommittee as well as the council in the early Viewing of the ordinance back in 2021 um The planning commission at their meeting in april As as mentioned, we did have one planning commissioner who was interested in increasing that from one to three per owner So just opening up that for consideration by the council To consider allowing more than one per owner and then also Should you put a cap on it potentially grandfathering in those who already have multiple properties The next one is um maximum number of non-hosted short-term rentals allowed city-wide as discussed that that number was capped at 198 at your last meeting regarding this ordinance that was Came about through the economic development subcommittee who expressed interest in capping Due to the number of applications that the city had received and the impact on staff in processing those applications So that number of 198 came about Because that at the time the council took action in august That was the total number of non-hosted permits that had been issued or were in process as of 5 p.m That day that the council took action As mentioned, we've we've gotten through The bulk of those permits And so that impact on staff Has been mitigated. So the council may want to consider Either increasing or lifting that cap The the fourth item is a duration of short-term rental permits As I think you're all aware short-term rental permits are allowed for a period of one year or 12 months And then they have to be renewed There has been concern raised by some short-term rental permit owners regarding that limited time period And so the council may want to consider Increasing that potentially looking at something like a two year or 24 month or whatever whatever the the council considers Appropriate and then the final item would be code enforcement penalty schedule as mentioned The proposal that is before you includes the maximums allowed by state law We've had some concerns about more minor violations such as violations of the advertisement regulations And so the council may want to consider providing a reduced fine schedule for more minor violations and or Providing a potential warning for the first violation And with that I will Close and we do have staff obviously here at the table. We also have Paul Lowenthal from the fire department as well as a member of our police department here to help with any questions You may have and we have Alan Alton our chief financial officer to address any tot and bia related questions. Thank you, sherry Thank you so much for your presentation. Did you have something else to add? Please go ahead Oh, I don't want to leave out risa. De La Rosa who is either here in chambers or on zoom also Thank you so much for the presentation to all the staff that's put in so much effort We appreciate that I'm going to go ahead and go to council and see if they have any questions for you councilmember O'Crepkey Uh, thank you. Um I mean, I guess I'll ask you questions and then if they go to the city attorney they go to the city attorney. Um, one of the, uh Terms that has been brought up numerous times With this especially when Um, the concept of starting from zero and doing a merit process like with cannabis Was the concept of a taking can can I get a definition of what a taking is and how it would apply in this scenario? Um, what if I may I'll kind of address that in the reverse order of just to mention that the rather than trying to give a Treatise on takings Just simply to to assure the council that the courts that have looked at short-term rental ordinances and challenges under takings have confirmed that it is not a taking Um, the regulations regarding a short-term rental even a prohibition on short-term rentals Is has been found to not be a taking it's taking away only one element of the bundle of rights that a property owner has they retain economic Value in the home and that they can live in the home. They can do a long-term rental Uh, or they could sell the home. So those have been upheld um, and the courts have said the burden on the property owner is minor in comparison to the public benefit of protecting The residential nature of the neighborhood or of the community So there have been several cases and that has been confirmed. So does that answer your question or? Yes, thank you very much. Um Let's see We don't have any numbers for any non-hosted rentals that are primary residences, right? So people that maybe rent them out like three weekends a year or anything like that Staff really has no way of checking that I I did try to do like a little data thing and and I can I can tell you that at least 58 people don't live in santa rosa that own them and 54 people Live in santa rosa but have a different address So I don't know that that even gets to it because people could have various reasons for having different addresses But it was something I I was trying to find a way to answer that question And and really there is no way to be sure could we confirm it the same way we confirm a hosted rental? Absolutely That would be something we could change in the application process. Okay Um, but I do want to make it clear. I apologize Council member of krepke. We can't discriminate against someone for not living within the city um as far as I know and Attorney City attorney gallagher, please correct me if I'm wrong We can't require that somebody live within santa rosa to um own a non-hosted short terminal No, and I'm not trying to to imply that when I'm just trying to say that there are people that subsidize their own Income with their own houses so that when they're out of town They rent it out so that they can have some some sort of subsidized income with that And that's I was just wondering if there's a way that we could or if we are tracking that That would be that would be challenging. We could ask to I mean, I guess what we could do is ask for um Two forms of identification that they live there, but again, that's not going to tell you how many months out of the year they do So it would get to the point of the same it'd be the same as the short Hosted rental where you know that there there's a primary residence of somebody there, correct? Yes, I don't I don't think that would be an issue To just add that as a as an application requirement Then um My uh, I have a couple of questions on who can who can hold a permit um and so One of them one of the entities that can hold a permit is a trust consisting of And I'm trying to find the definition of what a trust consisting of means if that is The beneficiary the trustee the guarantor The successor or or all of them or Well, I can tell you I'm not a trust attorney And I will defer that one to city attorney galler Thank you I'm not a trust specialist either But I can say that the definition that is contained In the ordinance it provides Uh, the only trusts are eligible to own and operate an str Our personal and family trusts in which all beneficiaries are natural persons I would not extend that requirement of natural persons beyond the beneficiaries under the The way that it's currently written. Okay I appreciate that. Um That was one of my concerns is there's A large percentage of of personal and family trusts whose Administrators or trustees are or corporations. It could be exchange bank. It could be Charles Schwab or a trust administrator. So I want to be careful. We don't eliminate those I also wanted to touch on the fractional interest. I understand the intent I mean, I think Picasso's been on the front page when it comes to short terminals for or time shares for a while My concern is again getting it a trust when you have a family trust that has multiple individuals Whether it's my two children and four grandchildren that equals six and so that family trust would not be eligible. So What does fractional interest apply to beneficiaries of a trust as well? Should I just yeah, I'll just look this way then Thanks, um, I don't I think that's unclear under the ordinance Whether that would apply they're they're treated separately. They're treated out, you know The ordinance treats identifies them separately as trusts And as fractional ownerships of six or more But I will say that's unclear whether it would apply to a trust where the there are six or more beneficiaries It also raises questions of or it's unclear You can have a joint tenancy or tenants in common Where you might have a family That has separate ownership interests in it and it could be as many as six or maybe a family or not a family So That's a little bit Unclear in the ordinance and Okay, look to to have some clarification. Yeah, I'd like some clarification on that and then When it comes to transferring a permit, I understand that we have a complete ban on transforming or transferring of permits Sticking with trusts again If you have a juvenile or somebody whose trust Has that property when they become of age or eligible to take it over Is there a mechanism we could put into place where they could take over that permit since they're the beneficiary of it to begin with? Yes, um, I read the ordinance to even as it's currently written To allow the beneficiaries are the beneficial owners Of the trust assets so when if the trust dissolves for whatever reason Terminates for whatever reason the beneficiaries would retain ownership of the underlying assets We can certainly add language to clarify that so that it makes it clear that the beneficiaries Would be entitled. I'd like that clarified. Please. Yeah, um, and then Should you want me to just address the five things that you guys put forward that you want to try our feedback on when it comes to What? night Just clarifying questions clarifying questions. Okay. Um All right, so when it comes to to fuel solid fuels and fire How is that enforceable? For a hosted rental I can call paul down, but It's staff has made other determinations that A host that's living on their property is able to Do what the host would normally do so they wouldn't be prohibited from barbecuing It would just apply to the short-term rentals The short-term renters staying at the short-term rental But paul is here. So I'd rather have the expert way in We'll just need to find another seat for him Good evening council paul onthold division chief fire marshal. So the initial attempt when we put the rules in place was to allow Open flame to take place under specific conditions. We tried to make it so that people had the ability To cook to do other outdoor activities that include utilizing heaters propane heaters And also to your point solid fuel burning both during off season or at times of the year when there's less risk And times of the season when there is a significant risk to our community so the The attempt was to put rules in place to make it safe to to do it with Minimizing risk to the community the feedback we had From the planning commission was to not allow any which creates That's somewhat of a challenge to from an enforcement standpoint because it Eliminates I think more than potentially was intended All the way down to potentially space heaters outdoor heaters All the way down to the fire pit that could be technically on a hard plumbed on a on a table. So We would have to Almost add an additional layer into our permitting process to verify whether a lot of those devices are either hard plumbed or not Or physically present or potentially have somebody certify that they don't exist on the property If it Stands as was originally proposed there's rules that are enforceable by their code enforcement police or fire department Through the police department We have the ability to enter the addresses Of the affected properties into our CAD system So whether it comes in through code enforcement or it comes in through fire police We have those properties identified and understand that whatever rules are put in place They're applicable to short-term rental okay I guess i'm just thinking it'd be difficult to If a host is on site And you show up and say hey as your guest burning Fuel and the and it's hey you could be fined a thousand dollars or whatever it is that host is going to say no That was me I'm just trying to find out if there's an enforceable mechanism to this In in in reality I mean I understand the the regulations that you guys have but in reality is there an enforceable way that we can actually Do this It would be a challenge. It would be a challenge. We'd have to build in Additional layers as as paul said to the application process We would have to do additional inspections And then we would have the burden of proving Who was barbecuing if we received a complaint? It's not something I would prefer to do Okay, thank you. Those are all my questions Councilmember rogers Thank you vice mayor So I I appreciate the presentation and I'll probably walk through The ordinance similarly with a number of questions that I have But first how do we verify hosted versus non-hosted status? So as part of the application process An applicant has to indicate whether they are hosted or non-hosted And one of the things we realized as as this program has gone grown and changed is that we weren't verifying that So now an applicant has to provide two forms of identification That shows that they actually live at the residence. So it can be a driver's license a state identification You know card and and some other thing that shows their name With the address other than that we don't go out and and At this point do any type of inspection to make sure we Require them to show on a floor plan where they will stay during the short-term rental And and we've had some People pointing out that advertisements will be for the whole number of bedrooms Which kind of indicates it's not really being used as a hosted short-term rental and that's when our code enforcement staff Would make contact with the individuals Yeah, I ask that question because I have heard some stories from neighbors They have a hosted that's near them where they've never actually met the person who owns the home And so now moving forward that id requirement would that be For hosted that already in place. Would that be on the repermitting that we'd verify that? Yes, it's also included on the renewal application Okay, all right Let's talk a little bit about the renewals because I've heard a number of stories from neighbors Who have one or more? Who have had challenges with the renewal and some who quite frankly have missed their opportunity to do the renewal Largely it sounds like because either a lack of notification lack of understanding Backdating of permits I know folks have been really busy. How many people that applied initially Did not renew in time To have their permit continue to be active. I think just has that number Yes, thank you for that question councilmember rogers. So We have 24 non-hosted short-term rentals That have expired prior or have expired without a renewal application being submitted and have The folks who have operated up to this point Who jumped through all of the hope the hoops initially have we contacted them to talk about why Is it that they're no longer interested? Is it that something went wrong in the Application process or the renewal process? We have not contacted them those that have come in Trying to get a renewal after it has expired we've talked with each of those But we have not reached out to everyone who has an expired permit Okay, I think one of the things that I'll be interested in Regarding this other way that we end up going is making sure that the process is fair for folks and Just making sure as we dip into this that folks who are trying to do the right thing have the opportunity to do so But i'll save those comments after we hear from the public a little bit more as well There's a section in the ordinance. It's section 20-48 080 b And it's related to the fine structure And it does say That the fines shall not apply to a first-time offense of failure to register or pay the city's tot or san eras of tourism business Improvement area assessments Or to obtain a permit Why do we have in there? That the first offense of somebody not having a permit or not paying their their taxes is a warning That's really coming from the same government code section that establishes the fine amounts It has a provision that exempts business license fees Or the failure to remit business license fees From being fined for a first offense And out of an out of an abundance of caution We put this in there because at the time we felt it was quasi business related But it does come straight out of that that government code section that tells us What what we can and cannot find okay, I'll probably want to change that also It makes no sense to me that after years of engagement around this issue that folks would Not know to pay their fees to pay their their taxes or certainly to obtain a permit So i'll just put that one out there Talk to me about the rest of the fine structure. So we have heard that can that concern from some folks that There's an inequity in the impact to the community from an ad having misinformation or wrong information Or unupdated information versus having a rager That's annoying the neighborhood I can't argue with that statement. It it it makes sense to It would make sense in my in my mind for the council to consider Um having a very defined structure and if the council so chose we could certainly implement that Again, these are maximums. We we can we can reduce them as we see fit to each category of violation Something that the government code provisions contains is um a statement that the maximums Uh would not apply to Violations that were not health and safety related So perhaps the council could find a natural division there In uh determining which violations should have a higher fine amount and which should have a lower fine amount Is there an ability to give sort of a I don't want to call it more flexibility But maybe that's the way to put it to code enforcement to distinguish between a minor and a major offense Especially since we have in here Sort of an adjudicated body Around some of these issues. That's the planning commission. I appreciate that question Code enforcement thrives when it has discretion in how it enforces the codes that discretion has to be bound by Consistency and fairness. Um, we can't Find one person 101 person 5000 without rationale But having that discretion Certainly gives us the ability to work With people more closely to take advantage of case-by-case circumstances And and modify our approach and again Really, we're trying to emphasize an education based in uh approach in code enforcement. So that ties into that as well Um, it gives us the ability to apply heavier fines when they're needed And as documented by the needs of the case Again, if council so decided to Give that direction that's certainly something we could implement And then from a staffing perspective, is it Easier or more challenging the way that we currently have it where the renewal data is based on the The issuance of the permits or would it be easier on staff to essentially say January 1st Uh end of the fiscal year Every permit comes due for renewal I've finished. I'm sorry. I didn't mean to interrupt. I was just getting ready to respond Would it be would it be easier on staff to align the renewal date and be consistent year over year As opposed to staff and the folks who are operating having to track the specific date that they were issued the permit each year So the concerns I see with that is if all of the permits came up for renewal at one time We would have a significant staffing issue in getting those permits processed So, you know, if that's something that the council wanted to consider we would have to look at how we would Address that with our current staffing You know the with the permits that are issued. It is very clear on the permit the date of issuance it also identifies That the permit is valid for one year from that date of issuance And it does also state on there that it's the applicants or the property owners responsibility to track that So that information is on the permit that is provided to them It's also on our website and in the ordinance and in various other locations But yeah, I think that Being able to process all applications at one period of time rather than spread throughout the year would have a significant impact on staff Okay, great. Thank you so much Councilmember Fleming vice mayor vice mayor All right, you go ahead if I may I did want to respond to one of councilmember rogers questions in the discussion regarding Statutes requirement That the first time offense for failure to register or pay a business license fee that that applies only to the provisions That are governed by this statute. So the Those fines under this ordinance the operators will still be subject to the provisions of section Under chapter three. I'm banking on the exact. I'm looking at director Alton That govern the tot in general Short-term rentals are Are subject to those same requirements and those same penalties and those penalties are generally 10 of the Amount that had not been paid plus interest Right. I I appreciate that. Thank you for the clarification My concern is mostly that it wouldn't count towards one of the three strikes in a calendar year Correct and we've we have discussed that and discussed Potential ways to address it so that it still would remain one of the strikes Okay, thank you And also just to be clear the language specifically addresses business tax or business license and the city does not require that unless someone has four I think it's four Four or more rentals of any type throughout the city. So as as Mr. Kirk stated we would be extremely conservative by including that exception Councilmember Fleming Thank you vice mayor Thank you for all the work. I know you guys have been doing Quite a lot. So it's not lost on I don't think any of us my my first question is Would a small hotel be permitted in a strictly residential zone? And if so why and if not, why not? So a hotel Or motel is not allowed in in any of our residential zoning districts. However, bed and breakfast is Which has its own separate definition and it does require the approval of a minor conditionally used permit And our bed and breakfast breakfast is permitted In residential zones without having a host on site No, I see. So how can you differentiate? Between an unhosted rental and an unhosted bed and breakfast in a residential site So I would need to pull up the definition of bed and breakfast, which I'm going to do right now See if I can get an answer for you. Thanks a bunch So the definition of bed and breakfast In the city's zoning code is a dwelling with one or more bedrooms rented for overnight lodging Where meals may be provided subject to applicable environmental health department regulations It does not include room rental, which is separately defined So I think the differences are Probably pretty minor You know, I think bed and breakfast, you know, as it mentioned here typically provide at least one meal With that and I don't know that a hosted Would do do That but I think probably that's Perhaps the biggest difference And if Somebody wanted to permit an unhosted hotel, let's say even in a commercial zone. Is that something That's allowable in the city to have a property that's Has people coming in a transient manner without anybody on staff on the premises That might be a building Code type of question related to occupancy We can check the zoning code definition of hotel, but I don't think I've ever seen a hotel without Someone there sometimes maybe late late late at night like after midnight But I'm just curious to know if that's an allowable use in the city So just with respect to the the potential for it being a property maintenance code or a building code or a fire code There isn't any specific law that Designates which is a very good question is why shouldn't it a hotel not being Say like a self-serve gas station where there are no attendants Why couldn't that exist? So that's a good point, but the regulations just don't don't that i'm aware of Believe me. I don't know all the regs, but well, I don't know how many people do so if we go back to the earlier question around Why why wouldn't an unhosted hotel be Allowed in a residential neighborhood and you're saying that you can't you can do an air bed and breakfast Bed and breakfast, but not in a small one at that But you can't do a hotel Are we able to really you're saying that the differential between an unhosted short-term residential Airbnb or And a small hotel that there's really no way to differentiate these two So then I won't go back to the general plan And i'm wondering how we can make findings for this under The general plan in a residential neighborhood, but we can't for An unhosted or a small hotel Maybe that's a legal opinion not a planning one. I don't know I'm I'm not aware of the city considering, you know unhosted hotels in residential areas You know, certainly we would have to take a look at whether that would be allowed in staff's review of short-term rentals and the Consistency with general both general plan and the zoning code The general plan and zoning code allow for You know Neighborhood serving uses accessory uses for residential those types of things and similar to You know home occupations are allowed Which some of which allow customers and clients and employees coming to the home for that You know, they've been found to be part of that kind of accessory residential type use right But in any of those situations of a neighborhood serving use like a child care or an elder care facility Would it be permissible for the business to run without a host? Or an operator I believe that the Property owner needs to be on site for a home occupation. Now again, I can look that up. Okay That'd be helpful I'm going to change tack for just a minute and talk a little bit about the types of properties That incur the most complaints and give you all the most problems and therefore us the most problems, right? And so I'm just curious to know. Do you see Any differential between say properties that are located in commercial zones or the downtown station area specific plans Are those properties hosted or otherwise? Given you the same frequency of complaints per Property as you are getting say in the more spacious and outlying areas of the city Where the the properties are larger and prone to more events So we do have data on the types of complaints and addresses, but we did not do a geographic comparison Sure, right. I guess what I'm wondering is does the size of the of the home or the amount of occupants that it can serve Lend itself the do the larger ones or the smaller ones lend themselves to more code complaints It would be speculative Okay, you're limited to 10 10 guests regardless of the size of the home I understand that but I guess what I'm getting at here is I'm just wondering In the situation where in the downtown station area specific plan And in commercial zones where you tend to have smaller homes near commercial or mixed uses That I'm just wondering if those because I don't get complaints And I get lots of complaints. I don't get complaints from from my residents who live in the commercial zones Who are living next door to these because they tend to be smaller I'm just wondering if you have noticed that the the ragers are coming from the downtown if they're coming from outlying areas Do you have any evidence that would support that? um, there is a difference here so I I um believe this is something that would need to be reviewed I don't think we have an answer tonight. Um, I think we can generate something but um From what I'm hearing from my code partners It hasn't been evaluated in that way. Okay. Thank you. Um Going back before to the downtown station area specific plan in commercial zones Would you find that these uses might be More in line with the spirit of that planning document than say the general plan in residential r1 r2 areas I would say that's up to council's discretion. Um, I will say that we haven't Parced out how many um, at least non-hosted short term well any short terminals But I know that we're primarily talking about non-hosted short terminals Are actually in one of the downtown station area districts. I do know that only Four non-hosted and one hosted are located in a non-residential District, however the downtown station area as you know those mixed uses are Um considered residential. So that's something we could also parse out Okay And then I want to turn for a moment to fee structures You know, one of the things that we hear a lot about is on the enforcement side Um and the penalties But one one thing that does concern me is people perceiving the penalties is funding the enforcement I'm wondering if we have thought at all about a fee structure and and I'm just talking specifically about for unhosted not hosted Because we're not getting complaints from unhosted from hosted neighbors living next to hosted ones But would there be a number that that you guys have in mind that would support More enforcement capacity So the fee is about a thousand dollars, which is kind of budget dust for for these most of these large operators And i'm wondering what kind of resources and how much money are we spending on enforcement How much money do we need to be spending on enforcement and where that delta is so that we might look toward a fee structure More than an enforcement structure. I'm hoping that the enforcement structure might be go more towards if you If you have enough strikes Then you have your permit revoked rather than people getting all upset about Them being nickled and dimed for that and it they built that into their budget You know, it's like well, you're just going to lose your business eventually if you keep screwing up But that It's not overburdening the city In terms of what it costs us and so what is that number? Or can you think about that and get back to me tonight about what number we would need To professionalize enforcement to the level where we're not really chasing fees And we are just providing the service to make sure that this happens putting the onus of it fully on The operators and city staff and not on the neighbors So I can give some information We currently have a program that we have a full-time code enforcement officer dedicated to short-term rental Violations enforcement That is a a temporary currently solution We've had the individual with us for about seven or eight months now And I will echo some some terms that my counterpart. Mr. Kirk has indicated before Short-term rental enforcement at this time due to the regulations that we do have And due to the fact that this ordinance is not discretionary We are in what we call maintenance mode our complaints that we receive from Having to do a short-term rentals are significantly down the number of open cases We do have some exact stats on where we're at now compared to over 200 at one time The number of open cases is significantly reduced So we are at this point with a continued And and again just the foundation of the ordinance. I'll repeat it again. This is not a discretionary ordinance. It is it it's Very specific that it is not discretionary even though we do prefer to do an enforcement via education We believe once we no longer have the the services of this current code officer That we will be able to maintain enforcement as long as the regulations that we currently have Are as as at least as stringent as they are moving forward if we want to Change some of the regulations to where we have potentially the council has the option to significantly increase the number of short-term rentals or Or different caps or different spacing or whatever we would have to really analyze what that means To be able to maintain what we're we have coined maintenance mode. So that Your actions will get a different answer tonight from from what my answer will be I understand. Thank you. I'll try to wrap up my questions. I know I've been going on a while here But as you probably know, this is a pretty important issue So the last thing is that One of the concerns I have is that if the council were to reduce the prevalence of these in residential neighbor unhosted rentals Is that then we would be playing a cat and mouse game Around hosted rentals. Is that is is that a concern that's come up in your deliberations internally? I believe we've only received one or two complaints alleging that a Rental that was supposed to be hosted was in fact unhosted And in each case we investigated those And found credible evidence that someone was living on site while the renters were there Is it possible for someone to misrepresent? Certainly If it comes to our attention through a complaint, we'll investigate it and And find out what we find out, right? Of course, one of the things that I've heard about jurisdictions that have eliminated Hosted rent unhosted rentals is that then people start to put out that they are Indeed hosted and I'm wondering what your staff might think about the idea of Persons holding them even if we we don't regulate that but One fix that I was wondering if you thought might fly is what if we Required that folks who have hosted short-term rentals Might sign an affidavit that it's their primary residents Therefore relieving the onus so much on staff and if they are found not to be in compliance Then you know it really is on them for having Signed a document under penalty of perjury saying that that is indeed their primary residents The short-term rental permit application does require the owner to sign Same thing saying basically that there is no misrepresentation in the application Um, however, we could you know go farther if if council directed To require a notarized affidavit or something like that Upon application or renewal Okay, I do have other questions, but I'll I'll seed the floor now so that some of my colleagues can get a word in here I just want to remind staff. I know we have a lot of staff members in here So if you want to expand upon some of the questions, just raise your hand on zoom or feel free just to jump up To one of the podiums. Thanks Thank you. I'm gonna go ahead and go to a mayor roger. She's had her hand up for some time Thank you. Um, I just had a couple of questions first I wanted to thank staff in all departments for their hard work Around this I I know that it is definitely a hot topic and can be challenging looking at All the different viewpoints One of the things I wanted to ask about was not having a reminder and our grace period Why why is that so I can just um state that we As far as I know for no other permits do a reminder And actually for this permit we have a more robust Way for folks to keep track in terms of reminders on the On the short-term rental website on the permit itself In the zoning code that type of thing It's difficult because That would be a lot of reminders that would be a very big responsibility for staff to be keeping track of each of the permits and and reminders Making sure reminders were sent it is on the onus of someone who's you know operating these short-term rentals To maintain compliance and that includes Ensuring that their permit remains valid I don't know what that answers your question, but It definitely does I was just wondering some of the other permits. Um, if they last Is the the consequence as Rough or hard as this one would be for someone to lose their their business I'll have to defer to Jess on that So for any of the permits that we have at the city or all of our entitlement permits Including the short-term rental permit When a permit expires If a time extension or a renewal has not been applied for prior to that expiration it has expired and there is no wiggle room for that You know the the council Can tonight, you know consider options moving forward. Um, and you know, if you want to include Some sort of a grace period You can consider whether that would apply to existing permit holders But as it stands right now With all of our planning entitlement permits, um, There are there is no grace period if it is expired it has expired Okay, just asking uh some clarifying questions. Um, and then in addition to that I wanted to ask about, um barbecue and grills and other pieces of equipment because If anyone knows me they know I love and my family loves some barbecue. So um, have there been any fires residential fires That have occurred due to any of these pieces of equipment thus far and Versus how many have occurred from traditional rentals, I guess And so specific to short-term models. I don't have any statistics That we're aware of on actual fires occurring as a result of a short-term rental hosted or unhosted Nor am I aware of any incidents that have occurred since we've been having these discussions Okay, that concludes my questions. Thank you Thank you mayor councilmember alvarez Thank you madam mayor In regards to the 230 permits have been issued thus far I'm seeing 136 violations And I guess this is more of a legal question. Is it possible to distinguish? Which property are committing these violations and can that information be used in the renewal permit process? So the renewal process does um, we do route everything to code enforcement And there is already in the ordinance itself that if someone has received Three verified violations within a 12 month period That is a reason to revoke a permit and also to deny a renewal application And the second and this I'm sorry for for the redundancy If I heard correctly We are currently our penalties are the maximum allowed by the state of california. They are not The maximum of set by the state california under the current ordinances. We're not approaching those maximums The new ordinance seeks to align the municipal code with those maximums But again, we have discretion if council gives it to us to to not have to just stick to those maximums very well. Thank you Those are my questions. Thank you. Madam mayor. Thank you councilmember stop Thanks to my colleagues for doing such a deep dive into into this information. I'll keep my questions much broader um starting with going back to a point that um that um councilmember flumming made About or implied about enforcement Is there is there any risk in this area of creating an unregulated market or going back to an unregulated market if if we If we decide to regulate too tightly I'm not sure I understand in this in the sense that we push people sort of out of out of public view, right? They go back to is is there any possibility they go back to renting? Um unofficially Oh, yes. I'm sure there are people doing that even now. Okay. Do our regulations Do we incentivize that or is it would it would it be possible for us to incentivize that Depending on what kind of regulations we adopt I'll defer to to mr. Kirk, but um Yeah, I'll just defer to him I don't know if incentivize is is too strong a word or not There will always be categories of individuals who will disregard a law As as sherry said, they're they're doing it now We have had many many code cases that have come to us For operators that have never even ventured into the planning process They don't have it a permit. They're outright illegal under our code And there've been many many of those That might go up if we if as your suggestion we had an outright prohibition Again, I don't know if it would incentivize people, but I think we might see Um an increase for a while in in Unpermitted rentals We had to spin up our enforcement operations pretty quickly It's become in the course of what a year and a half something like that pretty robust And it sounds like it's on good footing So I guess what i'm asking is are our current enforcement operations robust enough that we that Depend that when we put in place new regulations, we're going to be able to handle the folks who are not complying As of today, I'd say yes, we can it's hard to speculate about the future Um one interesting thing that I want to emphasize is that since we've really been in this new enforcement mode We had a year with a lot of rain Which probably suppressed rentals and now we're getting into our first summer So we're expecting to see a surge in activity a surge in complaints and um We're still learning. We're still learning this curve. So, um We've been able to sustain enforcement and get into a maintenance mode. Um, we only have uh 21 active cases right now So we're very much just maintaining But that could change And so that should I heard correctly um that the trajectory has been declining So far, yes, all right, that's excellent Um another another very broad question and it was it was alluded to in the in the very nice presentation And that is the the economic benefit The possible economic benefits for strs. Um, and actually just as an aside It's it's a lot of it's a lot of it's nice to be having this conversation Which such with such fantastic signage in the background Where all the main discussion points are are printed up in um very nicely designed signs the the various points So just a quick thanks to all of you who've come out tonight And on on some of those signs, uh, it's obviously underlining the economic benefits Could you remind me, uh, what the what the current effect on the business improvement area taxes and the and the the transit Transit occupancy occupancy taxes are Can you bring cfo to the table? Thank you We're bringing down for anybody that doesn't know Alan Alton our chief financial officer for the city So the uh t o t rate is 9% and the Santa Rosa tourism bia is 3% And what's what's the total amount of revenue that those that those taxes have been bringing in? I can I can tell you the The latest numbers on the t o t Um, I tend to look more at that Because that's what goes into our general fund the bia for the most part goes To the Santa Rosa tourism with a 30 going to our economic development But our So looking at Our last full fiscal year so fiscal year 2022 There was about a million dollars a little over a million dollars that was of t o t generated by s trs And it looks like we're heading about We should be right about there for this this fiscal year That makes up about Last year was about 17 percent of our t o t total Do we have any estimates for the other economic impacts in terms of as was mentioned earlier the cleaning services that are used the restaurant expenditures All the individuals are coming and staying in the s trs are going out and spending money locally Do we have any estimates for for the economic impact? I don't I don't think we'd be able to measure that because We wouldn't be able to compare whether somebody who lived in that home full time Would hire the same cleaning service or go to the same restaurants So i'm not i'm not sure if there's any way. I don't know if risa is on the call To to to be able to measure that Right, so oh she is excellent. We can't we can't hear you right, so Is this working now? Yeah Can you hear me? Yes. Yes, we can hear you Right, so we have not yet done that study. Um, we do have some uh information that the snowma county tourism board is looking at and I can I can certainly ask them. Um, I think uh to sherry's point What we have not adequately looked at is the economic impact of short-term rentals people visiting our city versus Those who would be housed permanently in Those units who would for the most part be working within and spending funds also in santa rosa and snowma county So we have we can see if we can do a study such as that But I think we would have to look at both not just those staying in short-term rentals But those living in um those housing units if they were not short-term rentals Understood Thank you. Thank you very much risa. Those those are my questions Oh, allen say in general when we're looking at the travel and leisure industry for sales tax and things like that To rise this point. We would need to do some surveys or whatever to With the operators to find out if The lodgers are going to say hilsburg or winds are staying in santa rosa But in general it is a benefit to the area to have people coming in and that tours and dollars Does trickle down to our restaurant area? It does bring in people to come clean possibly Or to do any of the other things from a landscaping standpoint or whatever It it so it does help Understood. Thank you Thank you for the presentation. I have a few questions for you as well Um, do we have any current llc's or trusts that are operating as short-term rentals? It's quite likely we have um trusts because that is allowed pursuant to the ordinance if any are approved for llc's then that is an error and that would be caught hopefully or um when I say caught we try to work with the llc's and and give them the opportunity to You know develop a different ownership type if you will But no permits should have been issued to llc's Thank you of the enforcement cases that are still open Can you tell me what those are around or what the noise complaint or is it something around taxes or what those are? generally about I cannot um, but I could certainly get that information to you This coming week. Thank you As far as the street three strikes go Is that including the one warning counts as one of their strikes or does that only when it Is it only including when there's a fine attached to it that it counts as a strike? We've been counting a the issuance of a citation as a strike Because that's done when we have directly observed a violation and we have actionable cause to issue the citation Um, we Proposed to formalize that a little more in in the revised technical writing here It comes right out and and uh and qualifies that the issuance of an administrative citation for any code violation Shall constitute a verified violation for purposes of this section. So we do tie it directly to the citation So when there's a warning does that still constitute a citation? Not currently, but again right now staff does not have the discretion to issue warnings um We we have the discretion to assess the sites that are exactly as shown in the current ordinance Has there any has there been any discussion where when they come up with the third strike or they Lose their ability to have the permit in place still has there been any discussion? I'm not allowing renewal at all At this point the ordinance requires a one-year period between revocation and the ability to reapply Um, and it's important to note that if somebody, you know had a permit As an operator and good standing and that's revoked Anybody that applies moving forward is now a new operator and would be subject to all of the um Requirements in the ordinance at the time of application. So for non-hosted that would include the 1000 foot separation I guess what i'm getting at is if we have some bad bad actors out there and they violated They're only waiting one year to be able to reapply again And then it's up to enforcement to make the decision if i'm clear on the presentation If they're going to allow them to come back or not based on past behavior But was there any discussion that after that third time when they pull the permit that they're not allowed at all to come back Yes, we've had discussions. However, we did not receive any council direction to extend that length of time to either You know more than one year or forever and in terms of Being able to reapply That that they would reapply as an entirely new Application so it would go through planning review And also code enforcement, but code enforcement is who issues of the strikes and then would Let us let planning staff know that we needed to revoke a permit Was there any discussion on the increase of fines if they should be a differentiation between hosted short terminals And non-hosted short terminals for the fines I would say no and that's simply because The violations carry the same result whether if somebody's having you know too many occupants or whatever whether that's in a hosted Or a non-hosted the neighbors would technically be affected in the same way But we're not having enforcement issues on the hosted. I I don't believe so. Um, maybe parking, but I'll let Mr. Kirk address again, I apologize. I don't have the direct answer for you. My intellect tells me that That we have had some cases with Hosted but they've been Minor in nature more relating to advertisements or or some sort of property maintenance issue Thank you. And then I just have one more question on page nine if I'm doing the math correctly Do we have 186? um Current non-hosted as opposed to the cap of 198 Just so I'm clear it says approved is 171 and pending or in plan review is 15 We're gonna double check that but that sounds right from when I I did a little research before coming to this meeting That if all of the ones that are still in queue Um, we're approved. We would be at 186 and we're gonna double check. No, thank you for that very much. Thanks for checking my math I appreciate it. Could you also tell me if um, those are including ones that are pending that maybe lost their permit because of some miscommunication? Those ones that are still in pending are plan review or if those are ones that were denied The ones that are in pending and plan review are all new applications Okay, um that came in some of them I'm not sure if we have any left from the initial slog If we do Staff has been working diligently with the applicants to try to get anything resolved You know that's still open with their permit application to get them To be able to approve them So it would not include any um Renewals however, I suppose there could be a new one No, because we're not taking any new non-hosted applications right now Thank you. Sorry I just want to make sure that i'm clear on that. I really appreciate that. Thank you so much I'm going to go ahead and um kick it back over to council member flimmy Thanks a bunch for you all indulging me here Uh, I have a couple last little questions. One is was there a varying fee schedule considered for hosted versus non-hosted rentals given the enforcement Draw that host unhosted rentals carry versus hosted rentals No at the time that the the urgency ordinances were adopted. It was they were all considered I mean that for now. Oh, I beg your pardon. No worries. No, we're not we're not contemplating that now Okay, so are we looking at the fees that we're charging To cover enforcement. Are we looking at them for for some processing purposes or some combination of both? Are we talking about permit fees or code enforcement penalties? Oh, excuse me Permitting fees permitting fees are strictly the cost of of staff time to review the applications And honestly, we're probably spending more time doing them than the Permit application fee actually covers Yeah, and I'll also add the in addition to the staff time to review them They also it also the fee covers the cost of the noticing that's done for neighbors Sure, and the noticing is the same for hosted versus non-hosted correct. Yes. Okay. That makes sense to me then Where is the money coming from for enforcement? general fund Ah the taxpayers I see Okay, well that gets back to what I was wondering about before is what would it cost for the businesses to carry the cost of that And I'm getting the feeling that maybe we we could hear that during budget But probably not tonight an even budget might be a little aggressive a timeline The other thing is buried in there is this piece about That non residential spaces Are not allowable uses In the future. I'm just wondering why They have been left out, you know, if if you can put Something that walks like a duck and quacks like a duck But is not a hope but is not a hotel, but it is in a non-residential neighborhood Why couldn't we put it in an office park that had bathrooms and showers like in a gymnasium a former gymnasium space I think if that says non residential, it's a typo and it's supposed to say non habitable It's only non habitable Areas that we're clarifying For you know safety reasons that they would not be allowed because as it is now um Actually, though, you're right industrial I don't think we Hosted would be allowed in any zoning district, but I don't believe non hosted we allow in industrial But I want I want to find that section. So bear with me for a moment just to make sure that that isn't a typo Thank you Okay, so non residential areas within buildings. So that was and we could clarify that was Actually correct and it was referring to things like closets or laundry rooms or Tough sheds or or or anything like that like if you have a gymnasium in the bottom floor of your apartment building You can't rent that out as a short-term rental So that is what non residential areas within buildings meant like Places that are not designed for people to live and sleep And what about like an office or industrial space? I don't think that would count as a bedroom. I'm going to defer to Jesse and jessica. I don't I haven't thought of that question. Thank you So I believe our intent on the terminology was Non residential as far as it is classified or could be classified residential means you can live sleep eat and dwell Versus in any off you can't do You Technically legally you cannot do that in an office or a gymnasium. They are not designed nor classified to do so I think that's the intent on the the terminology. Is that a zoning code issue? That's a building property maintenance and fire code Okay. All right. Thank you That's all my questions for now Okay, seeing no more questions from council. We're going to go ahead and move this over to the beginning of our public hearing So now I will open the public hearing Time is it it is eight forty Thank you. We are now taking public comments on item 16.1 If you'd like to provide public comment on this item, please make your way to the podium if you haven't provided a public comment card or your name If you're participating via zoom, please raise your hand or dial star nine You will have three minutes and a countdown time or timer will alert At the end of that period and pardon me. You will have two minutes for your public comment Um, I will be calling First on those that have signed up to speak The first public commenter will be Cornelius followed by Liza And please utilize both the east and western Podiums to keep an easy flow of the meeting Cornelius Okay, I'm not seeing Cornelius approach the podium Liza Liza henty-clarke I'm asking that you please consider raising the cap on the non-hosted rental permits to three per owner Or alternatively Allow current permits to be modified when they're up for renewal To allow anyone listed on the current title of the property to be listed as the owner on the permit I'd like to share a little of our story so you will be aware of how important the outcome of this vote is to us in our future Along with my husband chris. We currently have two non-hosted permits As well as one more non-hosted permit for a property co-owned with my parents We are local owners and have lived and worked in Sonoma county for seven years and in santa rosa for four years We have invested substantial financial resources as well as our own time and energy into our short-term rentals My husband has done all the handyman work on the rentals and I did the interior design and purchased all the furnishings as well as self-managing the rentals We even quickly purchased our current primary residence in december 2022 and moved ourselves and our two children based on the ordinance passed in the fall of 2021 Choosing the property solely because it fit the requirements of that ordinance for the 1000 foot rule and we saw the potential of the property being able to have a Attached guest suite with a private entrance that we could use as a non non-hosted short-term rental We come from a middle-class family background and view this business as a means to build financial stability And more flexibility to be able to accomplish our dreams for ourselves and our children The income from our short-term rentals has already Started to accomplish this goal giving us the flexibility for chris to leave his stable w2 job And begin developing his own sole proprietor massage therapy business here in santa rosa We depend on this income and losing it would be devastating for us and the rail plans. We have worked so hard to accomplish The currently proposed amendment to limit non-hosted permits to only one per owner Seems arbitrary and impacts a relatively few number of owners who have already established rentals and invested based on ordinance as written Furthermore two of our properties have two people on the title and the third property has four people on the title Introducing a further element of arbitrariness Because had we been aware of a limit of permits per owner We could have chosen which owner would be listed on each permit We are proud of the service we provide to serve visitors to our community as well as Permanent residents of santa rosa We estimate that more than half of our guests are visiting friends and family in santa rosa or are here for work This is a needed service for both visitors and residents and we take pride in the quality of rental we provide Including serving several unique niches with our properties Each of our properties is unique one of the properties was purchased in 2019 With long-term renters in place who have maintained their below market rent and continue to be residents there The two short-term rentals that are very small in the back of the property Allowed us to provide needed deferred maintenance on the property to the tune of $50,000 for a Roof repair. Thank you so much Our timer was having a problem in the beginning, but we have another one that you may not be hearing But your time is up. Thank you so much Thank you We're working to remedy the visual timer for now if you can please keep your ears open for this one I'll put it up to the microphone and As graciously as possible stop you at your two-minute mark if you're not hearing the timer The next public comment will be from Sarah followed by eric Hello Nice to see everybody My name is sarah rodigan. I'm the owner of uh A home on seventh and orchard in the mixed-use area of downtown san rosa My house I would here to specifically address the renewal issue and lapse permits My house was used as short-term rentals since the fall of 2018 when I purchased it One reason I purchased it was because it was in the downtown core. It's literally a block away from The downtown core from the beginning I felt it'd be a really good Use of income for me so I could pay off the mortgage and eventually live in it And it was also very flexible because I work out of town part of the year I intended my house was always professionally managed It's in full compliance of the code. I've never had a violation Um, but unfortunately there was a miscommunication with my property manager and me And the permit lapsed Um, I accept full responsibility for this. I should have known about this My home was fully booked at the time and at the uh, we canceled everything immediately It's been vacant since we found out about this My home was registered at 2018 and even if it is you accept A new application. There is a thousand the two rentals within a thousand feet So unfortunately, I would not be able to get my permit back I respectfully ask if a permit has been expired. There's an allowance for reinstating the permit with a permit with a penalty I'm happy to pay that and that the terms of the permit if you've been in compliance with no code violations Would uh, we'd go back so that my house could still be a short-term rental even though it has somebody next to me For me, this would make a world of difference financially and I appreciate your consideration. Thank you Thank you. The next public comment will be eric far followed by gary Yes, please go ahead eric My name is eric lindy. Um, I know that That none of you live next door and are not hosted str, but I do And I wish I wouldn't wish that on my worst enemy And let's be honest. His body has dropped the ball The purpose of the zoning code is to preserve I quote preserve the residential characteristics of the neighborhoods and enhance the quality of forest residents Protect public peace welfare health and safety Allowing non-hosted short-term rentals in a residential neighborhood violates that purpose Non-hosted strs are nothing more than a hotel Devoid of onset supervision for which the city collects operational taxes and fees These trades classify them as a commercial use that is not consistent with the city's general plan or zoning code for residential neighborhoods Residential neighbors residential neighborhoods are a living breathing mini community that needs homostasis to thrive Non-hosted strs represent a malignancy to these mini communities Look no further than your neighboring cities for guidance Sebastopol and pedaluma allow 30 to 90 days per year to rent respectively and pedaluma implemented that back in 2015 Both hilsberg and sonoma don't allow non-hosted strs in residential neighborhoods and sonoma implemented that back in 2017 Napa only allows 41 non-hosted permits And guess what? None of these cities are complaining about tourist shortages Council, please utilize the appropriate existing mixed use and commercial zones for non-hosted strs because we Need housing for our workers and our children to stay home and help the city continue to thrive. Thank you Thank you. The next public comment will be from gary followed by amanda Hey, um, is this on? great I'm a lifelong santa rosa resident born in memorial hospital 59 years ago Raised my graduate from Montgomery high school went to the jc raised my family here They went to santa rosa city schools And god willing and this body but willing i will grad i will retire in the next five seven years But I feel unwelcome in my own town You're gonna hear a lot of hyperbole from people tonight about loud parties every weekend I'm telling you the stats don't bear it out We heard here at the planning commission for mr. Kirk that there have been seven Noise violations reported to them in the past eight months There's 198 non-hosted rentals that works out if you work if you rent them every weekend that works out to one every 800 weekends per house That's once every 16 years and my stats bear that out I've rented my two houses for over 400 times in the last eight years zero noise complaints All of us are following the rules. It's working. Mr. Oswald said it's working You asked commissioner Councilmember Fleming whether bigger houses have problems. They don't one of my houses Up until this this law was passed could have 18 people the other one was 12 Again, no noise violations. No complaints This can be done and it is done And so I you know, I heard the city attorney say this is not a takings issue By the law, maybe I'll tell you who will consider it a takings issue If you take away one of my permits me because you're taking away half of my Retirement don't treat your neighbors your fellow citizens your taxpayers As enemies we're prized in this community for no reason at all. There are not parties every weekend The staff bears it out listen to their stats ask mr. Kirk about what their experience has been This is working the law is working We should have a bifurcated fine schedule also. It's insane. I got a two months ago I'm in the middle of a nightmare battle with the city asking them to show some judgment and mr. Oswald says I have no discretion can't do a thing about it. It's only a $500 fine I'm going through this process to fight it because it's about advertising my ad was missing a couple of words Imagine when it goes to $1,500 you have to give them some discretion and you have to have a bifurcated fine That's the time thank you Madam city clerk, pardon me just for a second. Madam city clerk. Do we have a louder alarm? We can set on your phone. We are correcting the problem right now on the screen So we have the audio and visual timer now apologize for the interruption, ma'am I just want to make sure that we get this right and that everybody can hear properly. Thank you Okay, the next public comment is from amanda followed by priscilla Thank you Thank you to the council and staff for the work that you have put into the current ordinance An ordinance that is working based on the facts shared at the planning meeting in april and again this evening by staff I'm not unsympathetic To the complaints personally received by the council members and staff or to the people that are stuck living next to poorly managed short term rentals And i'm an advocate for an ordinance that makes sense and is based on facts and not emotion I currently own and operate two short term rentals in the city of santa rosa Both of which are in good standing to date have never received a noise complaint It took me the better part of 20 years of hard work planning and saving in order to be able to purchase these two homes I have spent hundreds of thousands of dollars buying and readying these properties I did the upfront due diligence before I made the decision to invest my hard-earned money Into sonoma county and into these properties These are my retirement plan to now be on the verge of having to sell one of them at a loss and sell Furniture for pennies on the dollar would be a devastating financial blow to my family and I One in which we would not likely recover from only 10 to 15 years out from our retirement I ask the council to please allow current permit holders with more than one active permit in good standing to allow us to keep those permits Is a fundamental american value that hard work Saving investing in real property and following the rule should be rewarded and not punished Maybe well intention, but the result of the proposed changes to the ordinance Is to punish those of us that follow the rules and deny us the promise rewards of our hard work. Thank you Thank you. The next public comment will be from priscilla followed by jose It's a big question Are short-term rental properties an economic benefit to santa rosa? Or do they actually take money away from santa rosa residents and taxpayers? Short-term rentals reduce the value of the homes next to them Who wants to live next to an str Where unpredictable strangers can come and go at all hours of the day or night Who wants to live with backyard parties over the fence every weekend all summer long? Who wants to live with rowdy drunken so-called guests filling the night air with whoops and shouts and expletives? I'm going to ask the council members and the city staff Would you like to live next to an xdr? My husband and I live in bennett valley hills There's an str directly behind our home A three thousand dollar fine would only cost the owners of this house two weekends of revenue Our realtor has told us that having an str behind our house has already reduced its retail value by at least 15 There are six homes that surround that house and almost that means almost one million dollars in loss property Value among only six families The median home price in santa rosa is 750 thousand dollars If the value of each of these four homes next to an unhosted str Declines by 15 percent and there are 198 unhosted strs in santa rosa The possible total decline in property values within the city would be over 89 million dollars That's a huge amount of money Clearly strs are not an economic benefit to the city Here's a thought if all the homeowners who live around strs join together and file for lower property tax assessments How much property tax money would the city of santa rosa lose? Thank you. The next public comment will be from jose followed by allen Need to speak you have heard statements that most non-hosted short-term rentals do not create problems for their neighbors And that it is only the bad actors that need to be corrected Concentrating on the so-called bad actors totally ignores all the common characteristics of all non-hosted short-term rentals It is this common characteristic of all non-hosted short-term rentals that create the issues and cannot be corrected by eliminating the bad actors What are these commonalities first? There is no on-site supervision of any non-hosted short-term rental This lack of supervision translates into the opportunity of every transient party to create havoc with the neighbors And many of the transcends do just that they totally ignore the standards set by the ordinance and feel they have the right to disrespect the neighbors Because they have paid for their privilege It takes only one such transient party like the one we had here in santa rosa with 200 to 300 occupants Or present people parting their life away And police had to be called for that Secondly the constant flow and unknown transience within the neighborhood reduces the sense of safety and security that we all want in our homes Having a constant stream of unknown renters coming and going causes a feeling of insecurity for our residents We all begin to wonder will this be the group that ends in a shooting Or will this group party until all hours of the night forcing us to attempt to enforce the law None of the neighbors want to be responsible for instance Forcing that standards of order or ordinance Leslie the very existence of non-hosted short-term rentals reduce the value of every every surrounding property This is evident from the statements you have heard from owners who have been unable to find buyers because of the non-hosted short-term rental next door It should also be apparent from basic economics 101 whenever the demand for a product with a constant supply decrease The price of that product will decline Common sense should tell you that existence of non-hosted short-term rentals next door reduces the appeal of your property There by reducing the demand. Thank you for your attention Thank you. The next public comment will be from alan followed by monica Hello, all right. Good evening Mayor rogers and city manager smith and council and staff My name is alan thomas and I own three properties in the west end neighborhood with my wife lia And we've owned and operated those Houses as rentals for over 20 years Um About 10 years ago. We switched one of them when we had a tenant leave to a short-term rental We've been paying our tot tax for 10 years plus every quarter and I'm a little confused by the city because the city does send out a quarterly remittance Four times a year asking for their taxes So there are reminders and I'm one of the group of people that did not renew on time I thought that my renewal Period was in july I didn't get my use permit in an email because the planner that was working on our original application left and then there was a temporary there was like three or four different Planners working so we didn't get it until july so I didn't look at it completely In in a lot of detail But it was my fault But I'm hoping to resolve that at some point and come back into compliance. We're good operators. We pay our taxes It really comes down to enforcement. I really have a hard time believing all these People that are so upset about their property values going down one of our units is About a half block two two blocks away from one of the Homeless service centers in san rosa here that provide service to the homeless people That are in our community all of our community So we have shared responsibilities And living next to someone that is making too much noise or whispering a little bit too much in a hot tub Probably could be dealt with with a little communication with the owner and a little community community Kind of ingenuity not just signs basically trying to shame people from doing what they don't perceive Is right. Thank you for your time Thank you. The next public comment will be from monica followed by marsha in There's been a lot of conversation about community tonight I just want to read the definition definition of a neighborhood In webster's dictionary It's a district especially one forming a community With a town or city and the definition of residential Is designed for people to live in I have lived in santa rosa for 32 years I bought my house in a residential area of santa rosa. I chose a neighborhood Near a public school Where there were kids and families where I recognized my neighbors when I walked down the street and we were all involved In the same activities My kids went to the school down the street. I was involved with the parent board I taught after school activities. I worked in the classroom I staffed the snack bar at the little league games my husband coach soccer And was a cub scout leader We belong To the community we pay taxes we vote we buy local and we contribute to our community on a regular basis The money I have spent merely by being a long-term resident Should be recognized as carrying a high economic value to the city. I go to restaurants and wineries too Transit hotels aka non-hosted short-term rentals disrupt the community and do not belong in residential areas Within a one mile radius of my home. There are now seven non-hosted strs Every non-hosted short-term rental takes a family out of the equation of our neighborhood Slowly degrading it Families can't afford to outbid The for-profit companies that sometimes swoop in to purchase residences specifically for profitable party houses Code enforcement although I know my time is up. You're doing a great job But my peace of mind has been compromised And so have my rights to enjoy my long-term residents Thank you the next public comment will be from you know Marsha followed by Bernadette and then Following Bernadette will be Nancy Marsha Hello, good evening We live next to a hotel We I have I was born and raised here my children grew up here. We went to the schools We've been in the community my whole life So now we live next to a hotel just last weekend. They were over there drunk partying Yelling and they were in the house. They were yelling so loud you could hear them in our house So we had to close the windows and turn the tv on then drunk in the hot tub And my big big big concern is um fire We went to groveland last year to a wedding. We rented a hosted air b&b And they took out all the barbecues and all the fire pits In the whole town It's the gateway to yosemite So next door they get drunk they light up The fire pit which is gas They moved it from under the house to under the oak trees The wind comes up at 3 30 every afternoon. They're out there just blotto And a leaf blows in the wind and there you go We burn up manzanita brush creek monocito heights I I clearly think that that fire pitch and barbecues should not be allowed for that reason I mean, we've already missed the fire Just a little bit. It was just like less than a mile away And if this happens, it'll burn up what didn't burn then we'll have nothing left Thank you Thank you. The next public comment will be from bernadette followed by nancy and then laura Hi there. I'm not going to read the speech that I prepared I'm just going to ask you all to look at that survey that was Done earlier this year and it was an overwhelming response and was also Clear that residents of santa rosa don't want non-hosted rentals in their neighborhood I don't they're the Um until you live next to one you don't really get it and I understand a lot of these owners may be responsible But there are a lot of owners that are not responsible Um, they talk about the economic benefits I'm a business owner and what I can tell you is I rely on regular customers that come in I rely on five time a week people that are here pick up their coffee. We know their names It's not we're not Hoping for a vacation rental Person to come into our store. That's not it um I live next to one. I go out of town every weekend code enforcement Nothing is a violation everything needs to go to the city attorney or they need to ask planning for the Um How this is going to be handled So what do we do? We just give up. I just go away It's not really fair to the residents that live here. I've raised my kid here. I volunteered here I donate I do everything that I'm supposed to do as a resident and I didn't I didn't buy in a commercial zone we should have The safety and security of not living in next to a commercial hotel. Thank you Thank you. The next public comment will be from Nancy followed by laura and then charles Please go ahead. Nancy Thank you. Um, thank you very much for all the concert work so hard. My name is Nancy wong 46 residents in santa rosa I've been made a few comment about these shortened rentals I Was a shocking to see the map. They just you percent even you say the percentage is one percent, but You know for 190 a non hosting. I mean the permit for the short rental and impact for eight neighbors different places the total is One thousand five hundred eighty four people. This is a lot people. We had to suffer every Weekend sometimes not just a weekend weekday You know, we live in the residential area we needed residential People we know that each other's is not just coming out The hotels changing the people And shortage housing in santa rosa. I think hold some sonoma county We are really had a housing shortage Why we cannot turn to these rental to the regular long-term rental and we had the issue that much non hosting Short rental to destroy our community And also I hope our staff will follow up with all the our neighbors You know, hilsburg, senoma, clover cloverdale, ronald park, napa county And soon the winds are gonna have a some discuss We need our residential back. It's not a commercial. You don't put a commercial Into our residential area. This is a really one thing our city did the wrong Terrible mistake. I'm sorry to say that. I know you work hard, but this is a really big big mistake You guys did. Thank you Thank you. The next public comment will be from laura followed by charles then larry Council members and fellow neighbors. Hello My name is laura, and I am a proud santa rosa native In 2021 my husband and I bought a house With the view to do a short-term rental for a few years until we could move in with our family We have three kids Once we looked at the house with a little more detail We realized it was going to need a lot of updating like a lot of updating But we felt comfortable Spending the money to renovate because we had a permit We had a permit that we got in april of 2022 So we spent the past one and a half years and the majority of our savings Really turning this house into something special that we knew would be good for short-term renters But also great for us for the rest of our lives Now there's been some talk about the confusion on expiration and I I totally appreciate That the planning team tried to make this clear that it was written some places But this is the first year of this process. So understandably it's just not a well oiled machine yet And we are part of that part that was not well oiled and we missed our deadline To renew as soon as we missed our deadline We promptly made an appointment with planning and rushed in to try to make it right Just to be told it was expired and there's nothing to do and we couldn't apply for another permit because The permits are not being taken There was a question earlier about Whether it was more punitive for people to lose their permits And I think the answer to that is yes because we can't reapply I assume that people who lose their permits in other ways for other things can go back to the city and Reapply to get it but that's not an option given to us We put so much of our life into this house And it's just terrifying to think that we could lose it all because we missed a date We won't need a reminder next year. I promise but just a grace period for the previous year. Thank you Thank you. The next public comment will be from charles followed by larry then joe Hi, my name is charles metz as a gay man. I appreciate the council's earlier recognition of june as gay pride month Joe, excuse me. I'm sorry to interrupt you joe ronda. Can you please reset his timer? We need you closer to the microphone, sir Okay, can you hear me now? Really close. Thank you. My name is charles metz as a gay man I appreciate the council's earlier recognition of june as gay pride month in the same spirit of goodwill I believe a spouse legal domestic partner or common law partner should be able to assume A hosted or non-hosto rental permit in the event that the primary permit holder becomes incapacitated or dies A legal guardian should also be able to assume a hosted or non rental permit Non-hosto rental permit in the event the primary permit holder becomes incapacitated because the majority of people who are offering their home short term are doing so to earn needed income Or it's there. It's the retirement plan like me Which is why a cap of 198 permits countywide and a thousand foot radius for non-hosted rentals adversarily affects the average santa rosa homeowner in their time of need Because one never knows when some unexpected event in their life Whether that's a loss of a job care of a loved one divorce or death of a spouse and they find themselves needed to earn extra income Offering a room or a home short term could be the only way to make ends meet My dad's 96 years old and in a retirement community. Those facilities are expensive Sometimes people have to sell their for their homes in order to afford the cost of living in one But if people could rent their home or second home short term that could that money could be used to help pay for their care And if their primary home is available, it will be theirs to return to If they rented it out long term, um, they would have to wait 30 to 60 days To give notice and people who enter hospice rarely have that long. My mother-in-law is to my right. She's 87 years old She's here today. She lost her permit because she forgot to the renewal date Renting out a room is something a lot of seniors do In the permit fee you already Charge the city should have a requirement for sending out renewal notice reminders given that applicants have already paid their fees That are meant to cover the administration of this program Also 10 days to appeal a denial of a permit is unfair and it's too short Sorry, thanks. I mean thanks. Thank you. Charles. The next public comment will be from larry followed by joe and k Hi, my name is larry. Um, i'm in support of their short term rentals and councilmember rogers mayor rogers Thank you for your questions about the renewal process As you can see That's affecting a lot of us. I know this is a new process for the city But it's a new process for us We don't normally deal with permits all the time not like construction workers or you know property managers We're homeowners I um, I received a Notice an email back in december saying that this is the process going to receive quarterly You know reminders to make sure that you know that your your permit is new to review your permit Okay Well almost six months later. I got another one four days After um my permit was to be uh renewed And there's nothing I can do It's done. I'm out. I I can't renew. There are no renewals And this is a story for So many of us renters or are owners So I hope that the council Will look upon it to to extend the grace period for those of us who have Um exceeded our permit or at least Renew or Expand the number of new permits that you can you know apply for If you could just do the one of those two things that would help so many of us owners and we want to be in good standing We want to do the right thing. That's why we're here. We're seeking your council as council. Thank you Thank you. The next public comment will be from joe followed by k then tim Mayor roger is and members of the council. My name is joe schneider with the north bay association of realtors Thank you to your commitment to our local housing economy and for allowing us to weigh in on this important issue Since the very beginning of this conversation. We have been very supportive of more and more common-sense regulation that makes short-term rentals palatable for everybody in the community And we were really really happy to hear tonight from staff that complaints and fines have gone Way down since these new issues have been put in place However, with a couple of these amendments that are coming up for discussion tonight We wanted to weigh in really quickly first The what was the rationale between the 198 permit cap? 198 units is less than one half of 1 of units in the city Or traditional planning standards used when creating this limit What is the right concentration and distribution limits for a city with nearly 70 000 units? The biggest issues with a strict cap of 0.5 of allowable strs Is that you are inadvertently prohibiting 99.5 of the rest of the santa rosa resident residents from participating In short term in the short-term rental market If we looked at the map that was presented earlier by staff You notice that a predominant number of those Active rentals are on the east side of the city So that will make it harder for residents on the west side to get involved in this economy Last but not least I think there's still a lot of confusion Around what the renewal process will look like like any ordinance the devil will be in the details Creating a limit of one non-hosted permit per person Really puts an undue burden on those who are who are previously granted Use permits for their property who have multiple properties Lastly the thousand foot distance Ordinance would really cause a lot of confusion Who would win out in a situation when you go to renew your property and someone else within that thousand feet? Thank you for your time. Thank you. The next public comment will be from k followed by tim then ladman Can you hear me? Yes, okay. Thank you Thank you for listening to us I am k vantillo ward I was born and raised in this city and I love the city I was even here when they designed they put the slogan up a city designed for living My family purchased our home in 1935 Now 87 years later. I am writing a hosted airbnb I meet the nicest people. I try to interact as much as they want to interact And tell them about the city as much as they want to know I have full support of my neighbors As a matter of fact, I've now I've given my house Free to neighbors for special events like weddings of the daughters and things and birthdays I have been doing this for seven years as and the I paid all my t t and t taxes I have full support of our neighbors. I mentioned And I've had no violations I hope to continue this because it's helping me fix up the house. It was an 1880 barn And telling visitors about our beautiful city I want them to enjoy it. They're my guests But I favorite when they're here and even I like to have the barbecue out because I went barbecue. Why can't they? And we have the fire extinguisher and all the things we need there But I want them to enjoy it and they may all move here. You never know So it's something to keep in the consideration. Thank you Thank you. The next public comment will be from tim Followed by vladman then Russell Thank you for this opportunity to speak Recently we discovered that mom's short-term rental license had expired two months previous While mom was undergoing cancer treatment We immediately went down to city hall to pay our renewal fee When I went went in I had to wait for a business customer ahead of me to finish their business application When it was my turn I sat down with a young lady who was very polite and cordial She informed me that the previous customer in front of me had their business license expired 10 years previous And the city was able to waive all the fees I told her I'm in for a business license that expired two months previous She informed me that two months was no big deal That she could help it waive those fees I thought fantastic the city is going to help us out Well when she found out it was a short-term rental she abruptly changed her tone and said that There was nothing she could do I was informed that I had to submit a new application Pay $1,200 rather than the $300 Applic renewal fee And start the whole process over I asked the lady does the city normally send out renewal notifications businesses She said there are too many short-term rentals to be bothered to do that My mom has been in business for seven years as an airbnb And it's helped her stay in her home to fix up her home to hire a housekeeper And keep that person In business Yes, short-term rentals do not bring in a large amount of Taxes for the city But they do do their fair share and how insulting it is to be treated this way Thank you Thank you. The next public comment will be from vladman followed by russell then senthya Good evening. I'm vladman temer I would like to talk about how our zoning Ordinance relates to non-hosted rentals the current zoning code for residential areas allows only one type of transient lodging And a few business uses The one and only allowable transient lodging is a traditional bed and breakfast Allowable exceptions are either state mandated or intended for people operating a business from their homes All allowable uses are subject to some common rules which distinguish them from non-hosted short-term rentals Please consider the following three points First all permitted residential uses provide for some sort of on-site supervision Elder and daycare facilities are state mandated and have supervision the same applies to community care facilities A traditional bed and breakfast normally rents only one bedroom in the home occupied by the owner Second almost all of the allowable uses require an application and approval of a minor conditional use permit The process for receiving this permit requires public notification and provision for a public hearing Further there is an appeal process open to the public Third All the allowed uses are specified in the current zoning code The logical fallacy here is that unhosted short-term rentals are not specifically forbidden And therefore the reasoning goes that they must be legal. They're not This dispute has been brought to the city's attention since at least 2019 In that period of time air bmb alone has doubled their avenue While the city hasn't even properly reviewed the legal theory behind the operation of unhosted short-term rentals In fact, unhosted short-term rentals receive less scrutiny than bed and breakfast establishments. Thank you very much Thank you. The next public comment will be from russell Followed by synthia then shawn Okay, I am russell I've been a santa rosa homeowner for 50 years I hear the argument from short-term Renters that quote it's my property and I should be able to use it to get needed income I empathize here in my criticism Excuse me. I emphasize here in my criticism the big difference between hosted and non-hosted short-term rentals It's non-hosted that caused the trouble my friend k here With her hosted does not cause troubles I can empathize with these people But I think we need to balance their property rights With their neighbors Who are adjacent to their non-hosted strs? I know of a widow who sold her home because of the nuisance from an adjacent home That is marketed as a non-hosted short-term rental that sleeps 10 Her options along with options of the other nearby impacted homeowners Included continuing to live next to a nuisance and working with the city to eliminate the nuisance Or moving away Her property value was decreased by the fact that a non-hosted Short-term rental existed next door I think that allowing an individual to operate a non-hosted short-term rental to generate income Is unduly favoring that individual over those up to eight surrounding individual homeowners They find themselves living next to a Transient lodging facility like a hotel. Thank you for your comment. Your time is up The next public comment will be from Cynthia followed by Sean then Dan Evening, my name is Cynthia. I have been managing homes for eight years So I have served over 3,000 reservations in my management career And I finally got my first call to Stop a party and I would like for you to listen to this. So over 3,000 reservations. I'm going to play you what a neighbor Left on my voicemail So what ended up happening with that call was That it was a fake call. We had the city official Eric Goed to the property. This was at six o'clock in the afternoon And it was completely a fake call. So just wanted to let you know that Not every single Noise complaint is accurate and I'm asking the city to please Do something about that this was this was this call was done in the middle of the day. It was daylight And that's just one of the very many Reasons why I'm up here every time to speak for the str owners Thank you. The next public comment will be from Sean followed by Dan then we'll move to zoom Good evening council members staff Thank you for all your hard work. My name is Sean herbisio Born and raised in Sonoma County raising two kids I went to planter high school Of the four properties that we own i've lived in each one and then moved out and turned it into a rental And we have three short term rental permits and one has expired I stand before you to advocate for continued support of the current ordinance that seems to be working very well ST owners right to own and continue operating the valuable accommodations and extending the grace period for any license Who has expired that is in good standing Short rentals have become an integral part of modern society and offering numerous benefits to both homeowners and guests alike It is crucial that we defend these rights to ensure these uh their preservation It has been established by staff that many of the community complaints have been dramatically reduced Due to the current ordinance in place and the diligence of staff So why are we on the precipice of potentially creating more stringent ordinances or taking This economic benefit away Unfortunately, if your neighbor doesn't like what you're doing in your home that is not a legal reason to complain Or try to take that right away Because the owner uses the home how they see fit Lastly last time I checked there's no harsh penalties For a person or a family who rents a home for more than 30 days and has crazy parties So why are we creating a two-tier system? for short-term rentals Lastly, I have to point out that the demographic who's complaining about most of these issues Are people who do not want them in their backyard and are well established So younger families or all families that are using this as an economic benefit Why would we take that away in conclusion? Short-term rentals offer numerous benefits to homeowners and guests while contributing to economic benefit I encourage you to keep the current ordinance in place. Thank you Thank you. The next public comment will be from dan And if there's anyone else in council chamber wishing to provide public comment that has not already spoken Please make your way to the podium. Please go ahead dan Good evening. I'm dan godino representing one country get away As a certified professional vacation rental manager, I oversee multiple properties in santa rosa The wellbeing of neighboring neighboring communities is my top priority followed by homeowners and guests To minimize any potential concerns with guests. We employ indoor outdoor cameras Sorry outdoor cameras noise decibels and meters and screening methods Additionally, we maintain an open door policy with all neighboring parties to promptly address any issues that made our eyes Regrettably, there are a few hosts and operators who fail to uphold the same high standards Leading to a small number of concentrated complaints It is vital for a city council and the community to understand The significant difference between professional management and amateur operators Enforcement efforts should be directed towards those who consistently violate the current ordinances I understand and empathize with those who have generally had negative experiences with short-term rentals I sincerely hope that you can approach the situation with an open mind and be willing to acknowledge and support Responsible operators like myself who conduct business in good faith I would like to extend a warm invitation to join the santa rosa Short-term rental association on facebook this platform provides a space for you to discuss any issues You may be facing with short-term rentals whether it is minor concerns like smoking or noise from outdoor chatter We have effective solutions to assist you If you are a host seeking to implement best practices We are also Available to offer or support and guidance if you don't use facebook Please don't hesitate to reach out to me directly at wine country getaway rentals account We take a proactive approach to strike a balance between the interests of the short-term rental community And the well-being of neighborhoods while ensuring compliance with city ordinances. Thank you for your attention. Thank you Is the person at the western podium Wanted us to have a provide a public comment Thank you. Please go ahead Yes, every time i've been to a Meeting about this topic. There's inevitably someone who says With great passion and I believe them that they have a short-term rental. They've had it for a number of years They've never had a single complaint. I believe them. I think they're passionate. They believe what they're doing But I don't get the point I really don't get the point Let's say we had cars driving around running over people in santa rosa And we're here to see what are we going to do about these cars? They're running over people and somebody comes to the meeting and says I have a car I've never run over anybody That makes no sense to me what I'd like to hear Is someone say I've had a short-term rental For eight years never had a single complaint And by god i'm going to do everything I can to make sure everybody else Behaves in the same responsible way I do Those people should be leaders in creating rules That make this an acceptable part of our life Thank you Thank you for your comment and thank you for the public comments from council chamber. I'm going to turn it over to our zoom host Please go ahead ronda Please go ahead when you're ready all desideri you're being asked to unmute Okay, i'm going to If you're having challenges unmuting from zoom you can also dial star nine to unmute yourself Believe it star six star six. Thank you ronda I'm gonna go ahead and give paul a little time. I'm gonna go ahead with jonathan Jonathan you're being asked to Unmute Please go ahead when you're ready Hello, can you hear me? Yes, we can hear you. Please go ahead Great. I'm a 25 years sonoma county resident rental property owner and as far as uh The the permit expiration Why can't we just have the The permit expiration and and the and a bold reminder put on the quarterly tax form so that everyone sees it At least three months before it expires I also lost my home in the 2017 fire, so I understand the intent but The ban barbecues and space heaters for People renting a short-term rental, but it's fine for the neighbor next door that owns their property It really doesn't seem fair to me. Whatever should be done should apply to all properties in the area Regarding the thousand foot limit that limits density and it mitigates most of the negatives It seems like the majority of the complaints are in areas with a high density of short-term rentals combined with poor management So rather than penalize You know responsible operators Let's try to focus on enforcement and getting rid of the bad actors And I would say in terms of hosted versus non-hosted If you only allow hosted rentals you effectively turn all short-term rentals into rooms for rent because No one can really effectively rent a home an entire home unless they live on site in an 80 You still there jonathan We're going to next all desideri. I'm going to ask you to unmute Go ahead and You're having issues star six Okay, I'm going to go ahead and go to ramisha followed by eric frazier Ramisha you're being asked to unmute Hi, this is ramisha Um Yes, perfect. I'm glad you can hear me. Um, thank you everyone for your time today and for all the effort done and putting together The proposal It's clear to me from hearing the presentation today And to all the comments thus far in the public comment section That the problems that are being cited are enforcement issues and not necessarily regulation issues And I think that you know finding a way to enforce the existing regulation without introducing new regulation Is perhaps the best outcome here it allows the responsible operators to You know benefit from the discipline that they've been they've put in so far and it also allows The city to take care of the residents who are having problems with the bad actors So the alleged bad actors in this situation But I think this is more of an enforcement situation than a regulation situation And I hope that there's a way for the enforcement to be beefed up I also did want to bring up another point in terms of the permit renewals It is a very interesting process that there are no reminders set whatsoever Whereas this county of Sonoma has absolutely no problem sending reminders asking for the tot payments and for the bia payments, which was all done in a very orderly fashion They don't provide reminders for permit renewals So it to me it's it's enforcing an onerous burden from what I understand from other Cities and counties that have short-term rentals solutions in place Reminders are sent for permit renewals So I think the city of Santa Rosa is you know singular in this regard and not taking care of that And not sending something in an automated fashion and finally It cannot be understated that hospitality is a major industry in the county of Sonoma And short-term rentals drive a lot of business towards the hospitality Proprietors the hotels the restaurants the wineries So please consider short-term rentals and not changing the ordinances. Thank you Thank you Eric Frazier will be next followed by elix c Thank you. This is Eric Frazier with truth and tourism my address is truth and tourism at gmail.com As you know, I'm a researcher. I also have experience as a hosted str owner in Santa Rosa for seven years And you also know my stance knowing that the urgency ordinance is truly defective and broad in bad faith And you're only going to sow the fruit from that and that's sort of what's going on now It's got to be very frustrating for anybody and regardless of what their ideology is or what their experience or fact Is what we're subjected to now and just building on it You you ignore economic science as if this was some sort of socialist program. Why don't you believe in economics when some of when The staff brings forward this conjecture of 846 strs. That's Ridiculous poppycock to that Absolutely ridiculous. I noticed also staff glazed over Things about the complaint process. It's totally unfair. Totally illegal Europe city attorney good thing that she's leaving because the advice is really bad Pretty much everything here stumps from the fact of actually not having a workshop So that these issues can be addressed by adults in the room Not ideal logs. They're just trying to ram something through down somebody's throat Certainly you read my research that showed that staff was trying to extort over a hundred thousand dollars in fines from str operators Based on defective advertisements on other ridiculous reasons Why don't you guys grow up and start spending our money right? And we'll also get down to the bottom as to why this exists in the first place Why are you singling out these property owners for this type of treatment the next step will be alexi followed by baria Alex you're being asked to unmute go ahead when you're ready Uh, good evening everyone. I'll talk really fast because I only have two minutes The first point I want to make is about taking and I don't think that what the city council said that It's not a taking is true. Actually, there's been only one case in New Jersey about that There has not been a case of the California Supreme Court nor the u.s supreme court So I think that's still out in the open. I do think it is a taking and you know We'll see what happens in the future in the courts Number two, I want to talk about the Taking people's rights if you already had a permit and you know, those that have more than one You know, you're trying trying to take these away Please don't because the damage that you do to those homeowners is much much higher Much much greater than not issuing new permits Um, do you want to you know, I want to make a point about you know, when Elon Musk says, you know, California is a crazy state. We're having these crazy regulations Well, guess what the barbecue rule is one of those you can have the the fire chief telling you It's okay to have barbecues and yet we're trying to ban barbecues now We're the state that bans barbecues. Just imagine how that sounds crazy Um, then I want to you know in my last 50 seconds Um, I want to you know make a point about who's here You know, we know str owners are here and they're about 0.5 percent of the population And I always see the same 10 20 people that hate str so they keep on talking against them So I want to really what's the percentage of of truly the people that don't like them and you might say Well, look at the study, you know, we did a study and the study is biased Any survey person who would look at that study and the question will tell you that the way you Ask ask the questions and presented the data is biased. So I would say use an independent company Lastly to the person with the car analogy, you know, unfortunately, there are cars that hit people But guess what we haven't banned cars. There are cars there, you know, we just have rules and regulations without drive Thank you Next up Maria followed by Jessica Maria you've been asked to unmute. Please go ahead when you're ready Yes, I am ready Thank you. Go ahead My name is Maria. I work for someone who own two short term rental If you limited those rental to only one That would be hard my salary in half I would like to you to change your mind because this How I support my family it affect very bad Thank you so much Thank you Jessica is up next followed by Jamie Jessica you've been asked to unmute. Please go ahead when you're ready Hi, my name is Jessica and I would really like you to consider Not putting any more restriction on short term Rentals I work For someone who owns more than one short term rental And this is how I provide for myself And if we limit it to only one short term rental It'll be very hard for me to support myself And for me to go to school And reach my goal of becoming a teacher and paying my bills And unfortunately I'll only have to pick one. I'd really like you to consider Not putting on a limit on how many short term rentals there are Thank you Thank you Jamie is next followed by ted Jamie if you've been asked to unmute please go ahead when you're ready Hi, my name is Jamie Um, I'm a I've been the long-term resident of Santa Rosa. I have taken your surveys And I believe that that Question regarding the thousand foot buffer zone is is quite misleading because a thousand feet sounds like I could walk out my door And see as somebody else said, you know the eight neighbors around I could walk a couple neighbors down Those are neighbors. I would know that are within a thousand feet of my house We had applied for a short term rental for my father when he moved into a care home So that we didn't have to empty out his house so that in case the care home didn't work out We could move him back into his house and we were denied based on the thousand foot radius The house that was used as the thousand foot is nowhere near my dad's house You would have to walk down his street turn on another street walk past another street turn on another street I mean it is literally streets away, but this bird's eye view That is being used It doesn't say that in the survey. It doesn't say a bird's eye view It says a thousand feet which makes it sound like those surrounding eight neighbors, which is reasonable Three or four streets away seems unreasonable. Um, so I just think that the accuracy of that question is a little misleading um in you The house my main my main point was I thought that was quite Quite misleading because I probably thought that was reasonable when I took the survey and then when it affected my father It was very much like a shock um For myself I have lived in centrosa most of my life recently moved to tahoe Our home is a short term rental with a permit I use it all the time to visit my parents who are elderly and have lived in centrosa You know decades and decades paid into it and it would be a huge burden on me to not be able to come to my hometown That's not what you're really addressing. Not sure why we're going up to barbecues. Even the fire guy said Barbecues aren't really a big risk. I'm not sure why we're going up to barbecues And um, I'm assuming my time's up. So thank you for your time your research And managing all this we do appreciate it. It's just A little can be very confusing that thousand foot radius was definitely misleading. Thank you Ted you're next followed by charles Ted you've been asked to unmute. Please go ahead when you're ready Hi, my name is Ted and I currently manage about six percent of the short term rentals in centrosa with zero neighbor complaints Due to our company policy, which I would love to discuss with council when I have more time I'm not here to argue with the opposition of scrs. I'm here to compromise and create an environment Where we have a win-win for both sides as evidenced by the current Policy our regulation is working We have a long way. We've come a long way since the process of str regulation I'm going to stress the five main items we're looking at today limiting per owner Permit renewals fines totes and fire limiting per hour owner. We have 28 Current properties that are owned or 28 current owners that own more than one short term rental and most of them own Just two There's 180,000 people in centrosa. Why are we not grandfathering in the property owners who've invested millions into these short terminals that they own permit renewals We need to organize How we're actually renewing these permits If we had either an annual basis that was that everything linked up or if that was too much for the city to organize Maybe we break that into quarters and then we break that into four zones of the city So it's easier for the property owners to know when their renewals are coming up Fines these need to be associated with uh The act or they need to have discretion on them We had a property owner who was fine for too much restriction in their marketing Totes, this is a conversation we keep circling around. Let's build it into the code But it makes it mandatory to pay direct from the rental sites like airbnb and very the rbo. We have no Restrict or we have no way to To actually hold people accountable as of right now and then fire Imagine running a house for a weekend and not being able to cook outside at all for an evening This is just gone too far. I think we need to like scale it back and think about things on more of a Rational level than than trying to limit things too much. Thank you for your time Charles you're speaking next followed by lauren Charles you've been asked to unmute. Please go ahead when you're ready Charles carter Yeah, this is charles carter 530 benton In san aroza I'm here this evening to support the council's efforts to regulate lodging and residential areas of the city My perspective is both as that of a homeowner and as a planning commissioner Committed to enacting land use policies that protect neighborhood character and promote the vitality of san aroza While the commission did have opportunity to weigh in on the current draft short-term rental ordinance in may My recommendation for adoption should not be construed to suggest that the ordinance in its current form is ideal Or represents the type of regulation most widely desired by the community While staff is to be commended on in its creativity professionalism An ambition in creating an order and ordinance that they feel is implementable and manageable There is considerable opportunity and precedent for more restrictive regulations That are more consistent with established policies and likely fit within current operational structures The ongoing debate on the matter of strs has raised many reasonable questions about how they can operate appropriately in residential neighborhoods And shown how many property owners have made financial plans and investments that assume a commercial return from the residences The ordinance should as a first priority protect the residential use that the general plan policies and zoning code are intended to promote Secondarily it should make clear For property owners how and under what conditions the properties may be used for income or commercial activities And how those activities would be regulated by city departments Home occupations child care and rehab facilities have been cited as examples of supporting commercial uses Operating compatibly These are not Comparable to non-hosted strs where there is no end keeper and the responsibility for proper operation falls largely to the city The renters and the neighbors the council could in its wisdom Charles your time has ended Lauren you'll be speaking next Followed by Carl Lauren you've been asked to unmute go ahead when you're ready. Hi, my name is Lauren I'm speaking in support of short-term rentals unhosted in wine countries Sonoma county and santa rosa in particular Like uber task rabbit and instacart airbnb and short-term rentals become a part of the modern way of life and travel Str operators should not be made out to be villains They buy in larger responsible neighbors who make needed improvements to homes and take better care of those homes and yards Than the average owner or renter They increase property values and the eiler report will show there's no negative impact on housing on the housing stock I support a grace period With vines for those whose business license owners who may have accidentally missed their renewal this year I support permit transference to anyone on the title of a home or relative of a current permit holder And I would support owners owning up to three strs as well Thank you very much to council staff and certainly to code enforcement for all of your hard work Especially in the last seven or eight months Eliminating nuisance and bad operators who do need to get out of town Let's continue to welcome tourists and families with open arms improved at santa rosa is an open and inclusive community By continuing to allow short-term rentals to operate and then as far as barbecues go We're taking it ridiculously far by limiting By limiting barbecue grills. You got to keep the grills. You should be able to keep gas fire pits And if anything limit wood burning Fires outdoors so that we can we can be respectful of Nature and our neighbors. So let's like I said, let's uh continue to welcome other families because that's really who we're hosting at strs Um in our community improved that we're open and inclusive. Thank you Carl will be speaking next Followed by dam Carl you've been asked to unmute. Please go ahead when you're ready Hello, my name is Carl Yeager um Point number one We've heard tonight that hosted rentals are not the problem And yet we make we have a very limited view of what a hosted rental is Other jurisdictions have expanded what a hosted rental can be san francisco, for example allows a renter To get permission from his landlord so that he he or she can participate in that economic activity San francisco also allows an adult family member to be a host The idea is to have a person there not that it has to be just the owner of record The next point renewal dates are not clear Fortunately, I have submitted mine and I'm within but I feel bad for all of the people who have missed it I received in december an email from the city saying that I would get a quarterly reminder I will send it to everyone on the council No quarterly reminder then came That is very confusing Um, additionally, I have found the renewal process Harder more arduous more confusing than the initial application It's really hard. I will forward to you an email that I got from staff Telling me all the different things I have to do that were different from the initial application. It's really hard Complaints that elected officials are getting please verify with the city staff that they are real complaints Every single complaint sent to my elected official Was verified by the city as either false or vexatious In a lot of cases you have a lot of people Making claims about Complaints that just are not real. These are privileged people who just want what they want I would ask you to verify the complaints that you're getting and make sure that they're real because This law has made it really hostile out there We speaking next followed by herbert Dan you've been asked to at one of our Was I great? It's dan Can I start Yes, go ahead. Okay, great. Thanks guys greetings city council mayor rogers and council people I am a short term operator and responsible manager Of a number of properties in sonoma county I see there is a heated disagreement between neighbors experiencing negative effects From a small but annoying group of non-hosted renters And diligent responsible owner operators providing a vital service welcoming guests to sonoma county That disgruntled neighbors have every right to complain The owners who were given permits have a right to manage their homes Why is this happening? because of technology Technology has created a better way The ability for an extended family of grandparents nephews siblings etc to all stay in one location Is a more preferable way than spreading over three hotel rooms When uber first came on the scene there was tremendous tumult over time However, it became a part of everyday life We don't restrict everyone from using a cell phone But we do restrict cell phone use While driving a car Pandora's box has been opened and it's not going back inside. So what do we do now? I agree with gary who pointed out given our current situation enforcement is the key During this meeting it was brought up by code enforcement They're they're in a maintenance holding pattern because they've had such a dramatic reduction in the number of complaints There are party houses But a large percentage of rentals Are for extended families with toddlers young kids grandparents who can enjoy their time together in one place So council focus on how to reduce the noise from parties after 9 p.m And you'll fix the majority of this problem Number two barbecues. What's the difference between a regular homeowner and a guest homeowner using a lighter? Does the council really think people visiting from outside Sonoma county don't know how to use a barbecue as well as current residents Thank you for your time Thanks. We'll be her followed by lindsay Herbert you've been asked to join me. Please go ahead when you're ready Thank you. My name is Herbert terriere. I'm an attorney in Healdsburg, California I provided a letter to the mayor and city council members on behalf of several property owners I want to briefly touch on a few points here I want to thank the mayor and the council for Taking all of the time that they have on this When I look at the I've been here. I was there in person at the meeting earlier and then I left The in listening to the questions posed by the council and the responses by the city staff The record is actually pretty clear that the program is working Describing the ongoing enforcement activities as being in a holding pattern Shows that things are functioning if there are bad actors Enforce and remove that's the way to treat that There are aspects of the register of the proposed modifications and legislation that are arbitrary There really is no rational relationship to limiting a property owner to only having one One rental I'm not certain if there's ever been an articulated problem as to what that's about or why Similar to the prohibition against having an LLC or a corporation as long as an individual is accountable And responsible there shouldn't be any problem with doing that I've represented property owners who owned LLCs In short and held their properties in short term for their short term rentals in Santa Rosa And when the regulations changed they had to remove their properties from the LLC, which was Contrary to their good planning I've encouraged the council not to take any action today if they need to study things further To get something that's more focused and more appropriate to the circumstances I think that would be much more favorable than finding the city and litigation Over some of the problems that are presented Time is complete. Thanks Lindsay is next followed by jace story Lindsay Thank you very much So the reality is is that we need progress Just like the seven story apartment building that is being built in downtown santa rosa Is the largest of its kind and i'm sure there were plenty of santa rosa residents Probably some that are even in the room now that were against that project But we need infill housing just like that Similarly the face of travel is changing and short term rentals make it easier for families to travel to santa rosa adopting an ordinance with regulations like you are is Really going to the gentleman's earlier car analogy if cars were put on the road without traffic signals There would be accidents the solution isn't to remove or limit cars on the road It is to put in traffic signals or create regulations which is which is exactly what you are doing Finally with the renewals As others suggested obviously there's been quite a bit of challenges regarding that I would suggest if possible maybe do renewals on a quarterly basis based on the homeowner's last name Uh, something like that that might be easier for them to remember and then I am very curious what the planning entitlement permits Are that the city issues that must be renewed before expiration where it is no longer valid Similarly to what the short term rental permits are like. Thank you so much Jay story is next followed by david Go ahead when you're ready Great. Thank you. I would just like to um second the uh the person who was pointing out that Non-hosted rentals are renting homes It allows people to come into the area and rent a home to bring their family to stay together to enjoy a place and and have community in a remote location hotels and and motels do not offer that so Non-hosted rentals actually provide something and bring people to our area who wouldn't otherwise come So let's try to you know find ways to allow that to happen and still be respectful of neighbors but to Do it in a way that still allows that to occur. Thank you David you're Being asked to unmute. Please go ahead when you're ready Good evening. Can you hear me? Yes, I like terrific. Thank you very much. I'm sorry. It's a around meeting tonight, so I'll be very brief The city planners have a vision for Santa Rosa and that includes neighborhoods being limited to Family dwellings neighborhoods that support people that live here um Short-term rentals non-hosted short-term rentals do not fit into that vision And they don't fit into the vision because they're not consistent with the zoning code or the general plan It's as simple as that staff no one has made a credible argument as to why non-hosted short-term rentals Are consistent with the zoning code or the general plan. So you start from there and you try to Create some rules and regulations that would allow A limited number of non-hosted short-term rentals to exist sure There are reasons that people would like to have them, but they just are too Disruptive on a large scale They need to be limited. They need to be strictly regulated and there are two three four ways of doing that and so I encourage the council to Take a look at those two three or four ways. They've all been suggested before and adopt one of them moving ahead with a one-owner rental or any middle of the road kind of thing that just lets everybody into the short-term business is not the way to go Thousands and thousands of residents have expressed their desire to have non-hosted short-term rentals limited So let's get it done Thank you very much. Thank you. We have no additional speakers on zoom Excuse me and no pre-recorded messages for this item Thank you. I will now close the public comment. I apologize. We have one additional speaker Anon Hi there, my name is camille and put an on because I didn't know how to put my name in there Thanks for letting me talk tonight. I'm a non-hosted str operator And I wanted to talk about the barbecues and the banning of that Before other folks jumped in so i'm glad other folks commented on that Um, I think that the fire chief and the fire department worked really hard on the ordinance as it was for the barbecue and grills I agree with the mayor that I love grilling I think it's a great way to enjoy property and to spend time with family and friends In a at a property. Um, I put in a natural gas line That's a compliance with the ordinance. So I'm requesting that city council reconsider that change regarding barbecue and grills I also want to make a comment on economic benefits of strs compared to longer-term rentals I suggest that the city hire economists to conduct to conduct the study And um, I just want to add that I've been approached to turn my short-term rental into a longer-term rental but I haven't wanted to do that because That would take away work from the cleaners that I have that come multiple times a month As well as my laundry service small business That helps me with that I also am requesting how the city came up with By removing the 1000 foot buffer that we would somehow get 800 plus strs I just don't quite understand how that was determined And I think it's a big a miss to not have more information or analysis Conducted on the violations that have been recorded so far So we can get more insight about what those violations were and who were they, you know, what locations And are we having bad actors? Thank you We have one additional speaker jail Dale, please go ahead when you're ready Can you hear me? Yes, we can. Okay. Thank you. All right. I'm really sleep deprived. So bear with me I really appreciate all that everyone has done and put an effort towards this Economic development group and city council amazing. I know this is a hard one Um, I just want to give my little stories. So I actually left San Francisco a couple years ago for some peace and quiet moved Santa Rosa moved to a house that I thought was going to be my nirvana And I moved into a house that was adjacent to a party house It was advertised as sleeps 18 comfortably 18 one eight and numerous weekends all the way through the pandemic there were wedding after wedding There was no fence between the properties. There was people drifting into my my yard There was live DJs. There was weddings. There was parties Drunks there was people throwing up. There were people screaming on and on and on so I just want to say You know, there there are the bad actors and They are not the community. They are not this neighborhood. They are not Santa Rosa. I absolutely love Santa Rosa now I have grown to just be so engaged with this community and the people that show up here It's hit or miss. You never know who's going to show up. It's all on the the just honor society of 10 people are going to show up at the adjacent non-hosted Airbnb We need to just eliminate the non-hosted simple. It's very simple. It's not supposed to be a hotel and motel in a residential area I don't know what to say. So I just hope the city council will do the right thing and eliminate non-hosted Appreciate it. Thank you so much I am now seeing no additional speakers to be in zoom Thank you so much. We'll go ahead and close the public hearing at 10 12 I'm going to go ahead and bring it back to council for further questions or comments council member Fleming Thank you to everybody who took the time. I know it's late. I appreciate regardless of your position that you came out My question is one more about the Idea of having an Airbnb in a residential neighborhood You said that it does require a minor use permit but it can But it doesn't require a zoning code amendment or any sort of zoning change. It can be just in a straight r1 r2 Is that the case You're referring to a bed and breakfast? Yes, the bed and breakfast is allowed in our residential zones with a minor use permit And can an existing structure that has been used as a residential Habitation be converted into one of those with a minor use permit? Yes Okay, and do we see that happen with any regularity Not in my tenure here, which is only 10 years Okay, do we have any sense why they don't get converted Through our legally allowable pathway That's consistent with our general plan Or is it really expensive or difficult And I don't know that we would have to answer that question In the time that I've been here. I also am not I can't think of a bed and breakfast That has come through with a minor use permit, but we could certainly do the research to see And you know why they don't I I don't have the answer to that question. Okay. Thank you Anything else from council? All right Go ahead councilmember alfraz Thank you madam vice mayor if you could Remind us of the five points that you would like to for us to address tonight. I would appreciate it Give me a moment while I sift through my papers Okay, so um, we just had five potential considerations for council One being outdoor burning And whether the council wanted to bring back in things like barbecues Um, the second was the maximum non-hosted short-term rental permits allowed per owner And what do we want to keep that at the recommended one or increase it or remove it completely? Um, number three was the maximum number of non-hosted short-term rentals allowed city-wide Currently the cap is 198 Um, and you know whether the council wants to keep that Elevate it or remove it Um, the fourth was duration of short-term rental permits Um, and again, that's right now. It's at 12 months. Um, and Council could consider Providing a grace period like what was suggested tonight by some Speakers Increasing that to a longer period of time or or any other options And then the fifth was the code enforcement penalty schedule Whether we wanted to provide Variety of tiers for more minor violations council member I'll rise. Thank you, madam vice mayor We didn't touch on the amount of the state maximum penalties we kind of just kind of Under this the state maximums are $1,500 for first violation 3,000 for a second and 5,000 for a third and subsequent within a 12 month period. Thank you council member crepeki Yeah, just one quick question. Um Do we track, um, how many vacation homes? Second homes investment properties that are in the city of santa rosa Not that i'm aware of Do we track Vacant homes people that just might might be for sale or No, we don't uh, to my knowledge have a mechanism to track that Okay, so we have no idea of knowing how much of the housing stock those take up as well I would say that's correct. Thank you. All right seeing nothing further from council I'm going to go ahead and ask council member rogers to put the motion on the floor All right. Thank you so much vice mayor so I think uh What i'm going to do if it works for the council And we've done this with kind of complex Ordinances that might need a little bit of sausage making done from the dais is Go through And hear from each council member what? Using the existing ordinance that's in front of us What changes or amendments would you be interested in seeing? and If it works well, what i'll do is try to collate all of that information into A ordinance that I think is something that we all can get behind As is often the case. I don't think anybody will get their way a hundred percent But I do know that we all share some additional concerns So those five questions that staff asked it'd be helpful for me to hear from council members What you'd like to see or where you're headed on that as well as if you have anything in addition To add into it or to throw on to the table for discussion But we'll start with the assumption of The ordinance that's been presented by staff and then work through additional changes at that point And so Vice mayor if you want to call on people and go through it I'll take some notes and then at the end of that if that works for you I'll see if there's some level of consensus we can throw into a emotion Is everyone okay with that Vice our mayor. Thank you Okay, let's go ahead and start with the um barbecues and outdoor burning or you want to go ahead. Okay Council member O'Crapkey any thoughts Thanks vice mayor, um I think out of the out of the outside of the five items you want to address the What I mentioned earlier about the uh the the trusts and the transferable Transferability between beneficiaries and trust and stuff like that is important Charles I think made an excellent point that I didn't even think about which was domestic partners conservators legal guardians I think that needs to be addressed as well and then the transferability between A a surviving spouse from the decedent Or or our domestic partner or anything like that. I think those are fairly easy to track with legal documents as to Who is married to whom or who has some sort of legal standing with with somebody else? Let's see With I'm not going to use the term barbecue because that I think there's southerners that are going to drive that's going to drive them nuts sorry grills or Not we can use either gas or or solid fuels. I think after hearing The response from staff about Hosted rentals and open flames. I I don't think a another set of Um for hosted rentals Another set of rules and regulations that we'd have to essentially underwrite or verify whether it's hard plumbed or this or that as well as the I guess inability to sufficiently enforce Any sort of code violations with a hosted rental? Um, I I'd be okay with with waving it For hosted rentals Non-hosted rentals I'm a hundred percent against solid fuels Um, so, uh, you know wood charcoal forgets stuff like that things that cast off embers I understand people say well, why can't a home why can a homeowner do it and why can't uh, uh a guest do it? Um Homeowners know what red flag days are homeowners know what we've gone through homeowners know what the dangers are I can tell you right now if I started up a a charcoal briquette grill in a red flag day My neighbors would lose their mind And I think it's because of our community and how aware we are of the issues that surround us That it makes it safe for us to do it But not guests because they have no idea what could happen. They may not even know what has happened um So I think with definitely with solid fuels on on non-hosted. I'm I'm uh against that Um For hosted non-hosted rentals per owner um I think With the ones that already exist. I'd like to see a freeze on that So it's their their grandfathered in if we're gonna allow people to be grandfathered in within 200 feet of each other We should be able to grandfather people in their own multiple Um, whether it's a taking or not. I just don't think it's if they've Haven't been deemed to be a good operator or an operator in bad standing Then I don't see what the point is of taking away going forward. I'd be interested to see what the rest of council's Appetite is for how any future Ownership possibilities are In terms of the duration of the permit, um, I'm fine with the year I don't see I mean an annual renewal. I think that gives us enough time to review It gives us enough time to get a a good sense of of the behavior of the owner and the property Fines I think it's been fairly well expressed that there there needs to be some sort of A little more detail when it comes to the fines of you know, I there's no way I would be able to say I'm okay with Somebody typing you know Four and accidentally hit five and it's not conforming and therefore they get fined $1,500. I I mean Look at how any of us do emails and how many typos we have right like that's just something I don't want to find somebody that much for Now noise complaints and and and um, you know other things at that level. I think the discretion I think the discretion I I trust your discretion on what is more severe versus what is not But I don't want to punish people for for minor infractions I do I do agree with I believe was councilmember rogers who said that the first Um, the first infraction of not having a permit that should be number one Um, I don't think that a warning with not not being on your record is appropriate. I mean, you know Ignorance of the law is not you know equal innocence um And then which ones am I missing? Um the cap um The I asked the question about vacancies and second homes and vacation homes and stuff like that I I think a number is insufficient I think a percentage is much more reasonable because then we can look at how much housing we're building And say okay, if it goes up by x amount then we can have y amount become available just to say, you know If if we you know, let's say it's 200 because I'll round up from 198 and then we build 5 000 homes Does that make sense? It doesn't make sense to me. It should be a percentage available What that percentage is I'm open to hearing from the rest of my colleagues as to what they feel comfortable with but I just think it It's easier math and easier to accept as a percentage than it is a number That we just decide councilmember Alvarez Let me begin by addressing the comment of You wouldn't want to live next to an str I Just last week I had to kick two people out of my boat who are in the backyard living for apparently over a week They weren't paying me rent But this is what i'm dealing with where I come from. So maybe I wouldn't want to live next to an str But I show you I understand the difficulties What we have before us is a prior property right issue And I ask myself We have retail zoning We have residential zoning industrial zoning And it is true When you purchase a property you look at appreciation of value You look at rental income But you don't look at the short term Revolving tenants And how this becomes a cash register But then I have to ask myself the question that's the way I feel But is that local government governance? For me it's a difficult line between The right to enjoy property my property and the way that my neighbor enjoys his or her property With that being said When it comes to cap We come from a capitalistic society that tells us we have the right to seek financial freedom We see people who missed the date of their Renewal periods So I'll address those both in one sense I don't think that we as governments should be able to put a cap On what people do with the properties But for the good players in the society in the game There should be a grace period of 30 days Should they be good players? We've heard the maximum from the state of california, which we do not equate to I would like to see the penalties increased for those bad players If the good players feel that they are doing their due diligence to provide A property which respects their neighbors they should be applauded and respected and appreciated Those that don't don't In regards to barbecues Again Who am I as a council member to tell you how you eat your food? Where you eat your food? And the fires did not affect my district. They did not affect me Personally And I'll tell you I was within the fires, but I didn't lose my home It just got filled with smoke But yet I cannot tell you how To break your rib It's not my job to do so In regards to the duration of penalty or permits. I'm sorry. I think I touched on that with the grace period For a permanent tea that's done a good job and respect that such as are hosted After one year of being a good Asset to the city san rosa Or actually after the second year, maybe we give them another year. Maybe the permit process now goes to three years three to five We know that they are great at what they do and we want to keep them We see this in different permit processes throughout the state of california Something that we could practice here Especially when we have mothers who have cancer And are able unable to open their mouth. I understand that I see where where her sons were coming from But again At what point do we as local governor govern government Tell you what you could do and that's definitely a fine line and and this is a lesson that I learned from our Our former council member of Sawyer We must respect property rights, but we have to respect community and I believe the definition of the community is where we live So no caps Actually, that's the street term as well, but we'll say no caps um again and if If the penalties are increased There will not be a serious about enforcement and that's where I think code enforcement should be given an opportunity to have more discretion And the way that they go about their interpretation of what's happening at the property. We as council members are not there We heard uh false calls But the boots on the ground is what ultimately has the same in the subject or or the issue And and I and I do want to see more enforcement when it comes to those bad players It's somebody said it earlier. It's the first year that we're doing this going to the second year If it's about weeding out the the bad weeds, and that's exactly the process that has to happen now There must be teeth to the issue. So so so that's my feeling and I'm sorry if I'm not that clear if you have any questions I'm here to answer anything. Thank you council member step I think that council member alvarez and council member ocrepti pretty much summed up my thoughts on the matter too um just Going through it in a bullet point fashion. Um, yes, let's let's revert back on the the uh the grill and the Gas grills or propane grills and even gas fire pits sound like something that we need to be considering as allowable for uh for scrs Um We need to if if if during our discussions We choose to limit the number of of non-hosted strs per owner Then we do have a we do need a grandfather in the the current owners. I'm in agreement with that as well um With respect to the time or the length of the permit Especially if we have staff if it's if we have staff bottlenecks on issuing the permits and there's there's um It's a burden within the city to say nothing of the burden on the str applicants We should be considering allowing longer longer permit times at least in some capacity If it's an initial one year and then revert then it goes up to two or three years or just two years At a crack that sounds reasonable both for from our perspective from the city's perspective and from the str perspective Um, certainly better differentiate differentiation in the infraction and fine structure So minor administrative matters should be should be treated and fined differently than than major behavioral issues at the strs I I agree with that as well I think that's did I hit the main bullet points? I think that I think that's it for the moment. Thank you I'll go ahead with a couple of mine and then i'm gonna go to by our pardoning mayor rogers And then i'll go to victoria and then pardon me councilmember flimming and then back to you chris So, um, I would like to see as increase the permit fees It seems like those are not being consistent with the amount of work that staff's putting into actually processing that So i'd like to see if we could actually get to a point where we're We're able to pay for the work that we're doing to issue these permits As far as the barbecues and the outdoor burning anything on a hosted short-term rental To me we can't enforce any of that if somebody's at that house. We don't know if they're using the barbecue They're using a fire pit. They're using their outdoor fireplace So i'm not interested in us trying to enforce any of that as far as for the non-hosted I think any type of grilling or an outdoor barbecue doesn't make sense to not allow people to cook their food when they've rented something As far as fire pits go if it's not a gas fire pit I'm not interested in seeing somebody put wood in a Outdoor fire pit mostly because if they're not from the area They might not be as cognizant of the major issues that we've had around fire So I am interested in you working with fire marshal so that we can come to a best conclusion for safety for the community And I do come from an area that has Had several fires in it as far as The actual amount of permits that we're allowing for short-term rentals I have a little different theory on this one and it goes to if you are a an offender If you have three your third strike for me, you'd be out and you never get your permit back again You're just done So that puts it on the owners of the property You know the rules if you can't comply with those rules. You don't get to play So that's the way I feel about that one So I'm going to be no more of this will go back in a year or then it's not enforcement. It's in the ordinance. It's just clean As far as how many should an owner have it sounds like Council is interested in grandfathering in Those that have multiple ones I would prefer to reduce it down to say even three and mostly it's because as we reduce down that I'd like to continue to reduce reduce down the number of permits that we allowed I don't care about the 198. I'd see us go even lower than that. So as we lose And somebody who's a bad player then if we are 198 and one is lost You're down to 197 if you're down to 196 or whatever and so and so forth same with If you own multiple ones and you need to get rid of a couple then we reduce down our number of short-term rentals As far as the penalties I'd increase the penalties so that it actually is consistent with the amount of work that we're putting in for that And it's paying for it I think the penalties aren't hefty enough then enforcement isn't going to be seen as an actual threat. And so That's back on the owners of running a business. You've got to be able to take care of your things You can put the cost off on to the people that are renting that are violating that if you know that It's going to impact your business thing. You've got to crack down as well um as far as I think did I hit all of your actual Questions as far as what you needed from counsel on feedback Oh a grace period I do see that that could be problematic for this year for those that maybe were understanding the process So we might want to look at a grace period Of a 30 day as councilmember avarice said But I think that looking at our current cap number and seeing how many people may be lost their permits And and maybe mitigating some of that right now might be in order but moving forward This is the last year since it is the first year as far as i'm concerned We give somebody that opportunity to make it good again, and then that's it And now I will go to uh mayor rogers Thank you vice mayor mcconnell Um, so first outdoor burning. I don't think that we should do anything with that I think that people should be allowed to To cook and have Outdoor burning. I I really I understand that hesitancy, but I also know that the people who Who's home that Is being rented out. They don't want anything to happen to their property also So they wouldn't permit or allow something to go on to their Go on out their property That puts them in jeopardy of losing losing their home to a fire or something like that. So, um, I wouldn't want to Do anything with that. Um maximum allowed per owner. Um, I Don't agree with that. Um with the one I think it should be the One to three one or maybe two Um, and uh, and I say that probably more so because there are people that have already been doing this for a while And so, um, I think if we had a grandfather clause then that would Uh make me feel a little bit better about that so people aren't penalized for um doing what they Did know was the ordinance and the laws of Santa Rosa Um, and now they're being penalized because we decided to change it. Um And then I have to agree with uh councilmember o'crapki about maybe a percentage and I don't know what that percentage is Um, maybe if we look at what 190 198 is and if that is a number that everyone likes, uh to go more so along Along those grounds. Um And the reason why I want to cap in the first place Is because I believe it was councilmember flaming that asked the question about where are the funds coming from? Um To facilitate this this program and they're coming out of the general fund And I can find a lot of other things to spend money from the general fund on Not for people to Uh secure their retirement or but things like that So, um, but I don't want to interfere with them having the ability to do that also um Permit limit, um I think That it should stay at a year. I do think that there should be a grace period because of what is that sake if they um don't need it and I wouldn't Be mad at us sending out Like a reminder email or something that just Something that's not too labor intensive for our staff because we already know that they're doing a lot But that says, you know for the prior month it says your Your permit is going to expire next month and I know we don't do that for the rest of them but the reason why I'm looking at this one like that is because um like the gentleman did explain his His mother was in the hospital and she missed it. I mean life happens and things happen um And I just feel like that is not what we're about or that's what we shouldn't be about that we should be about Making it Santa Rosa a great place for people to to live work and in play um and so That's why I think that there should uh be some leniency there and not just this year I think it should be every year um and then consider um Providing fine schedule for minor violations. I think it should be at the discretion of staff I think we have wonderful staff and I think the First defense on a violation. I think staff should be able to um Look at all the facts and and say whether or not they are going to Have it be a Reduce fine or are they going to have it be a warning or what they're going to have it be because they're the ones that are out there um, and they're looking at specifically what's going what's going on and I think that is probably it but I'll look to staff to see if I can answer the questions Oh, I can't see so someone actually has to say something because I can't see Let me let me check for you mayor Were you able to get feedback from the mayor on all the questions or was there something that she missed? um, yes, I think um, we we've got all of that for All of the comments that we've received thus far I've heard a number of comments about a grace period and so I'd be interested to hear Kind of what the council is thinking about for a grace period One council member brought up 30 days So anyway that I just want to make sure that we get clear direction on specifically what the council Wants. Thank you. And I do have a clarifying question for mayor rogers. Um, she was mentioning A max per owner somewhere between one and three and I was wondering if she meant Even those that were being grandfathered because we do have people that own more than three at this time Or if she is just talking about new ones moving forward Oh So I think if someone already had multiple Uh multiple properties then what what is the max actually? Right now we don't have a maximum at all but in the proposed ordinance. We uh, restrict it to one What is the max? I mean, what is the max number that a person actually owns? Sorry. What is the the highest in the city five? Okay, um, so Sorry, it's 742 a.m. Here. So my brain is working not really So I think that uh, we should allow if that person owns No, I don't want to say that because I really do think one to three is a good number. I'll defer to my my colleagues. Um Because five is is a lot and there are other Uh ways that you can use a property Um besides having a short term rental so um, I think I'll stick with one to three and 30 day grace period seems like adequate it seems like enough for me Thank you, mayor. I'll go ahead and go to councilmember fliming now thank you so much and You know, I want the comments that are going to come to be heard with the respect and care that I have for each of you but also Understood that I'm significantly disappointed because The when we heard the staff report what we saw is that disproportionately based on the survey results And the map this is an issue that impacts my district Three times more than the next highest one of yours and When you guys come to me and say you need a change whether it's to a low riding ordinance or you need a police substation community center Little before your time golf course improvements You know, I don't say this doesn't impact my district. I say we're a city and how can I help? I need your help Because my residents are suffering tremendously And so going down a laundry list of how we're gonna permit something that we just heard wasn't really consistent What the general plan is a flawed premise to begin with And that's not something that I can support what I could support is An unlimited number of these with a thousand foot setbacks in commercial zones and the downtown stationary specific plan because that meets our goals That we have set forth for economic development in particular And it helps support our tourism industry in a way that I don't believe is particularly disruptive I'm also in support of hosted rentals And I don't have as in even hosted rentals where the adjoining property Is one that's owned, you know, you don't have to live on the property But if it's directly adjacent and shares a property line with you, I'm fine with that I also don't have any problem with barbecuing at hosted rentals But the the real reason that that issue came up is because when people come from out of town Not only are they not just aware of Of our fire risks necessarily sometimes they might be but also the there's Um An attraction that happens around novelty and it's with hot tubs as well and that people come in and they're excited I have a hot tub in my backyard, but I I don't get in it too frequently But when I go on vacation, there's a hot tub. I use it every time And so the intensity of the use really changes When people are on vacation and experiencing something for the first time You know that effect of staying in a hotel or staying in a in a vacation, you know, it changes us That's why we go on vacation Because it revitalizes it invigorates us And so I'm asking you guys to consider going back to our our founding documents our charter which calls for a general plan And try to adhere to those and to adhere to our principles around economic development When we look at these other cities that weren't impacted by the 2017 tubs fire The way that we were they all got it together and they have really stringent um Rules about this and I don't think that they have lesser council members than we do I think that they weren't put in the spot that we were put in tonight of having people who have invested money Into these non-conforming uses and then us having to decide Do we preserve the quality of life of the people who are long-term regular residents or do we take away the property The enhanced property value that these non-compatible uses are generating And so I ask you to really consider if this was plaguing your neighborhood your residents the way that it was mine And I said to you well It's not me. It's not my neighborhood How would how would that make you feel about your ability to work with your council to meet your residents needs? so I think With that I'll add a couple of small details, but I'm not going to answer all the staff's questions because I'm I don't believe I'll be supporting This as it is I think I mentioned the fire pits unhosted I don't have any issue with hosted or adjacent even and I'd actually like to see adjacent added in and I'd like to see um No cap in the downtown station area plan with a thousand foot Separators and then if that doesn't work Um or if it's going so well that we could reduce the separators And that would be good, but I'd also like to see a limit of six people and I have a reason for that Six persons. I've never been to a rager or heard of a rager that had six or fewer people It's a good number for going on a girls or guys weekend It's a good number for having a small intergenerational family or a single family with a bunch of kids But it really doesn't lend itself to big problematic uses Also under this it would allow people are coming to interview for jobs who are Coming to care for a dying parent or a new baby Or to check out the area for living compatibility To to stay there and and experience our city in a different way than a hotel And I think that that's really appropriate in the downtown in our commercial zones Then Let's see so six persons is pretty important to me Um, and then I'd like to see an affidavit certifying that a hosted owner Regardless of what happens. I think that an affidavit with some Significant forms of ID that don't include a utility bill Are pretty important because utility bills are are really meaningless In terms of proof. I think voter registration or a redacted tax return, you know, nothing on it except your address Um, and your name would be helpful and you know ID passport Resident of residents of where you claim you send your child to school. Those kinds of things Are pretty strong So I'd like to make sure that we move forward in a way that really respects our neighborhood character that doesn't allow for These unhosted Literal but not airbnbs But literal bed and breakfast that have not gone through the minor use permit program To operate and I'd like to direct existing owners to our our minor use program for bed and breakfast and If the council in their wisdom sees fit to continue This plague upon my neighborhood I would request that you not remove Them from any existing owners. I don't think that people who have been operating these businesses If you do allow them picking some arbitrary number that one person could have but rather focusing on the The actual Infractions and having it be the case that If they behave badly that we do revoke their permits and that they can never have another permit again And that that would go for for all of their properties I think we need to be really clear about enforcement. I also think that Whatever fee we charge Needs to not just cover staff time but cover enforcement which would necessitate a differential between Unhosted and hosted. I don't want to be paying for this out of the general fund But I don't expect to be supporting this tonight unless You can come around understanding that this is a city-wide issue and that we all have to be there for each other Are you done council? I don't believe I spoke to the the the penalties But um, I'm I'm fine to give staff the discretion It makes me a little nervous that people will be fighting you frequently over it I do wish that it would come in the form of a study session So that you could have gone back and come back with a fee schedule I think that that's If this had been and could be a study session that we would be in much better stead, but um You know, if you prefer to have discretion I'll give it to you. I think that it opens a can of worms that that'll be Generating a whole bunch of emails Thank you councilmember Fleming councilmember alvarez Thank you, madam mayor. Uh, first first. I want to uh Second in a sense what our vice mayor stated about Too many violations you're out of the program. I think that's a uh a strong Position to take But being one that I think it shows how serious we are about Compliance Secondly, I want to address councilmember Fleming's comment I'm only going off the information that they gave us the reality is that 4% in comparison to what you have to deal with Is very minimal in comparison. I didn't mean to discount what you have to hear What what I'm what I'm stating by my comments is what I'm hearing which is minimal to zero about STRs, but that's the beauty of district elections that for me to bring the table of what I'm not hearing But you have an opportunity to out towards state. Look, and this is actually what I'm hearing And and that I should that's that's the beauty of district elections And I think that's where we can definitely appreciate What we as the representatives of our community can bring to the table to educate one another So it's definitely not me discounting what what your your your constituents are telling you as you hadn't yet spoken before Any of us made our comment, especially Myself but no for myself It's definitely the position that we've dealt and I told you the story of the people that were living in my boat You know, this is the reality that I deal with not the STRs That's another issue that we deal with but we deal with it together So no, I'm not discounting your position or what you hear in fact I'm very appreciative of the recommendations that you make because that definitely educates me On what we as the entire city of san rosa want to do to improve each and every member of our beautiful city. So absolutely. Thank you Mayor rogers Um, I had a question for councilmember flaming when you say six people Is that in children and adults because I wouldn't even be able to fit myself My husband and my children with six people and that's our immediate family. So I I just want to clarify Yeah, that's correct So children and adults Oh, I do mean children and adults I mean, I I understand that you have a large family, but I think that This would cover The great majority of families, but I'm open to another proposition if you're open to my overall suggestion and changing the The ordinance are you open to that? I'm definitely open. I just think that we're more looking at families It's almost It's almost as if people get penalized for having more children, which economically is easier to stay in a short term Rental than it is to book multiple hotel rooms. Sure. I could be flexible about the children count For sure. I think that that you make an excellent point Okay, so that was just my like me back from that one. Are you interested in in changing the to To my position Um definitely interested in seeing the sausage making that councilmember rogers has and I and I would like to say that I do agree with Three and you're done and that's why I would like to give a staff the the option for the warning on the first one because Santa Rosa prides itself on educating people that do business and things in Santa Rosa And so to me the first one would be the educational part So yes, but three and done Then yes, I support you without the question here I'm going to go ahead and move over to councilmember rogers now to Some things up and also give his perspective All right. I appreciate the council's patience and for working through it Um So I'll go ahead by starting By introducing a motion to approve the ordinance with some of the following changes First Having a distinction and I can There you go Yeah We can find each of the sections if we need to but I think because this isn't an urgency ordinance I believe I can just give direction to staff to make The substantive changes and have it come back for the second reading is that right great So the ordinance is presented with the following changes One an amendment that clarifies that the prohibition around Fire however, we want to phrase it for hosted rentals Does not apply And that for non-hosted rentals It is permissive of gas Or propane, but not solid fuels We'll have an amendment that allows the transferability to registered partners or spouses for the multiple The question about multiple STRs will grandfather in The current operators who have multiple STRs But won't touch it or change at the moment Going forward folks who want to add additional ones or would want more than one in the future So grandfather is an existing but then leaves what was proposed by the planning commission moving forward We'll retain the one-year permit review Uh, but We'll create a 30-day window where in which the operators who in their first year Missed the opportunity to renew if their operators in good good standing To come in and file their paperwork and pay their fees And renew their permits We will give Staff discretion to determine between a minor offense And a major offense in terms of how the fines play out We will eliminate any warning that exists in the code for First time violation for not paying your tot or your bia Or not obtaining a permit they'll count as one of your three strikes We'll amend this so that three strikes in a given year and you lose your ability to operate period I heard an interest to Increase the penalties for major violations We'll require an affidavit for proof of a hosted rental Council member Fleming suggestion not just using a a bill but some actual form of idea registration That the fees when we do our annual fee Adoption through the budget process that the fee covers enforcement and permitting So that we aren't pulling from the general fund for STRs And then I did not hear any type of a consensus from council on what to do with the 198 cap So i'm going to leave that one alone for now and see if there's any additional discussion Leave it as it currently exists. I heard some folks want to do percentage Some folks want to raise the number some folks want to lower the number I'm just going to leave it where it's at right now But I will specify that for the folks who were kicked out because they had renewal issues If those folks coming in exceeds the cap that they are also then grandfathered in so the cap may end up moving depending on Folks getting this this grace period And what I heard from council as consensus was one month grace period at the end of your first year on the permit But then not in the future I also I'm comfortable with staff if staff wants to make a recommendation About allowing you to set a consistent date quarterly And have it rotational for people to come in for their permits do instead of the actual specific date Uh and having to track each individual one Let me go through my notes and see if there's anything else All right, that's my motion I saw council member Fleming's hand raised as well as council member Alvarez But do I need a second before we go back to comment, please? I'll second. Thank you I'm going to go to discussion now. So I'll go to council member Fleming Yeah, I just wanted to speak to council member rogers his question about the 198 At a bare minimum what I'd like to see is that upon sale of the property Or that's associated with the permit or upon Um The person and their spouse You know being deceased that the permit ceases to exist not just with that property, but period So that we go from let's say I have one and I sell my property tomorrow Then there's only 197 pure properties Um allowed for that outside of the commercial zone In the downtown station area specific plan Except where in those areas, they are over concentrated less than a thousand feet So that like the county does You know where areas of over concentration in some parts of the county They they hope to over time Reduce Over concentration in areas where it's not working and then at some time a future because I do see that there is a limited Use for these as I mentioned earlier At some point it probably will take many generations for this problem to be relieved, but at some point The council Can then come back and say how many they do affirmatively want Without getting so tangled up in worrying about depriving people of their their earning abilities So I'd like to see a natural attrition of the number Until such a time as the community actively sees a need to add more And I'd be To be honest, I don't entirely know how I feel about that, but I'd be supportive With in the future call it two years after we've been operating the council then has an opportunity to Revisit that number either as a percentage that some folks were interested in or as a real number but in the interim Allowing the people who are operating to continue to operate that when they're in good standing But not to your point creating a more tangled mess Until we have a a concurrence or around the the cap number So are you agreeing that we would then ratchet down over sale and natural death Yes, okay So the permit number goes down Yes, but With some certainty to the public that staff Council will continue to refine what that perfect number is Because there is no consensus on council on what to do with that right now Is everybody comfortable with that? I just want to be really clear. I'm not trying to reduce the number in The commercial zones. I think it's a good use in the commercial zones Yeah, I understand and uh We got into this a little bit in the last conversation when we were doing the urgency ordinance around And I understand that your district is by far the most impacted Largely because of the types of properties the sizes and the people wanting that experience I'm not interested in getting into the spot zoning conversation And I'm specifically not interested in having the downtown specific plan be the reference point Uh that we we cling to I think If we're all in this and looking at it from a city perspective We all need to be operating from the same rules Not just using spot voting Spot zoning to move them into an area where perhaps we think people will complain less I hear that I'm I'm not actually it's not so much about that It's that actually I when you we did the downtown station area specific plan and we look at the purpose of that and the economic generation Opportunities in the downtown. I think that this use accelerates our common goals. So that's what it was. It's not about You know foisting them on the downtown It's that you know with a thousand foot setbacks or first of all, you're not going to get very very many in the downtown because the downtown's Frankly, not that large But it's that it supports and Healdsburg made this finding where they don't allow any of them outside of commercial zones And they said that it specifically it supports their economic goals of intensifying use around Restaurants in the downtown. So I get that we may agree to disagree But I think that we have pretty good planning documents that would support the finding that I'm trying to make councilmember alvarez Yes, through the mayor a question for a council member rogers Would guardians be beneficial to the designated principles? in your in your amendment I'll actually I'll ask councilmember okrepke. Uh, since he was the one who Oh, it's the only one who actually weighed in on that to be honest Um, I would say yeah, I would add legal guardians are and conservators. So anybody that has a legal I might have to look to our city attorney to address this but a legal Uh standing over somebody else's financial interests Right, it would likely it would likely be a guardian that would I'm thinking in terms of who owns property I mean they're a power of attorney someone who has power of attorney doesn't own the property. They're just managing it On behalf so it's never in their name Um a guardian I I'm not familiar enough Um Whether the guardian would hold title it could then go to the Person who is subject to the guardianship um When the guardian ship ends, but we can look at that And I and I think you're hearing the intent from council Yes, what we could do is as you look into it a little bit to bring the second reading so long as in alignment with that intent Yes, I'm going to scroll with that and and as I understand it what we're looking for what you're looking for is Uh, if if the if the owner of record is holding it really on behalf of someone else that if that It can be transferred to the person that they're holding it for I'd like to add that as well if you have a husband and wife But the permit is only in the husband's name He passes away that the wife can take it over right and not and that's that's why I said spouse or domestic partner Yeah Through common law that would be much more clear than the guardianship That kind of relationship or scenario is what I'm looking at and and I do have a second question first staff We're saying that some of the the Applicants were confused about the date that their permit had to be renewed. Is it possible to go through a peranum? Application where we are seeing a prorated from the date to the December 31st sunset Well, so I think right now in the proposal it wasn't to a we'd uh, I'd ask the question about December 31st or end of the the fiscal year and staff expressed that it's actually easier on them right there Right now this way where it's different So I think that'll only become an issue if we did set a specific date For them, but I did want to clarify in the fixing of individuals who had trouble Repermitting or renewing theirs this time I also think we need to build into the ordinance that we will notify people Whether it's when we ask them for collection around to t taxes, but at least provide them with One notification of hey your permit's coming up Yes, we can certainly figure out a way to send out a notification the one thing I did want to clarify is So I was hearing a 30 day grace period just to the council knows We do have we have a wide range of folks who have missed their Exploration date from people who missed it by one day to people who have missed it by 60 to 90 days Um, I don't have the specific list and how how much you know, how long it is in front of me right now But just something to consider if you're wanting to allow those if you set it at 30 days That might still keep some out Yeah, so what I meant is from the second reading adoption or even if you just get uh Approval from council tonight you open a 30 day window where in which anybody who has missed Can come in and do it um because I am concerned that there are folks that When turned away Two months ago would have given up at that point My intent is for us to create a window where in which people who are going through this for the first time Have a fair process To to come back into compliance But for clarification in the ordinance, I believe that we also wanted to build in a 30 day grace period After that's what I was getting from mayor rogers as well as other council members And then I just have one more thing on on what I has suggested is if you have your third strike And you lose your permit you lose it completely Did you add that into the ordinance because that would effectively continuously reduce down our number or our cap? I did yes, okay, and then just for clarification then we would be saying that Over time or through attrition we would start to lose short-term rentals in the city of santa rosa With and again the caveat That this council has not reached consensus on what to do with a cap whether there's a cap or a number of a cap or a percentage or a number and Let's put the ordinance in place Not make things worse for us, but then also keep that specific question around the cap As part of our discussion moving forward I think at second reading what will be helpful is the clarification on the applications that are still outstanding that need to be cleaned up That will give us a total number because if I looked at the number on slide nine you were at 186 Of a total amount, but depending on how many come back We will either hit our current cap or we could be below it based on how many people can clean up that application Or we may be over it and then we'll set the number then Correct. Thank you to be clear though that that number was the combined hosted and non-hosted and the cap applies only to non-hosted So I think that with when we clean them up. We'll probably get pretty close to the cap but not exceeded I think that that's the The hope here Yeah, I don't I don't think there should be any way to exceed that cap because the cap at that time Did represent everyone that had already been approved Or that was in the process. So what we would continue to do at this point is not take any more It sounds like from what the council is saying is is continue to not take in new non-hosted short-terminal permit applications And then I did have another clarifying question about the the grace period I'm thank you for the clarification that we're going to open up a 30 day But then did you want to include in the ordinance moving forward that for an operator's first year? They are allowed a 30 day grace period. Correct. Okay. Thank you. That's what I heard from my colleagues Can I on that? On that window can we extend that to 60 days not the the Rio the re application window you described because the second reading is going to be June 20th, and then we go to july 1st the new fiscal year And then a lot of july there's a lot of staff that tends to not be around The second reading won't be june 20th When do we expect the second reading to be We it will be difficult to take all of this and put it into writing time to publish next week Or you know in order to in the two weeks in order to get to the 20th, and I think that's what Staff has suggested. Yes. I'm sorry. I should have been more clear It would be very difficult for us to do a second reading on june 20th for several reasons So I would anticipate this coming back vetted On july 11th for a second reading Yeah, so I think uh what we'll do then and we can do this in the discussion or in the voting Is bifurcate this into two motions one is the ordinance as we're amending it And then for the issue of fixing the renewal issue Maybe taking that as an urgency directive from council to To staff to be able to clean that up because otherwise we have folks that will Continue to not be able to come into compliance until at least july right I'm looking to the city attorney and the city manager that is just having that in the ordinance or the cleanup for the renewal issue Is that enough for staff to be able to execute that Starting tomorrow hypothetically as opposed to waiting until the second reading No, you are going to have to wait You wouldn't be able to translate into an urgency ordinance tonight. That was not Part of the agenda I don't recommend going that that direction But you could go ahead give the direction Tonight that you want that incorporated in And you could make it retroactive to whatever date you you want So however, that makes sense so that it didn't staff can be telling people We will be accepting this but we can't accept it until Um, that ordinance becomes effective and if you want that piece to become effective on july 11th or maybe Right or But you could also do that piece as an urgency ordinance on july 11th When we come back so that would be effective immediately at on july 11th Yeah, for clarification. We're not able to do the urgency ordinance on june 20th because the preliminary has already gone out Or can we make an amendment to our agenda that's already been published? The pre-limb agenda has not yet been published for the 20th Today's the sixth So we would be able to add the Just the pre-limb tomorrow Tomorrow, so we would be able to add the urgency ordinance to the june 20th For that part of the motion for tonight Again, I think that's going to be difficult to do that And put that together But what i'm suggesting is if you brought the urgency ordinance on July 11th, but made it You know, we can structure it so that it will it will capture the folks that have missed their deadline this year Is that my okay my clarification on that is we don't need the back date that because The ordinance itself is going to say they're already captured The back dating is to help them operate if we get it cleaned up We can't help them get it cleaned up until it comes forward to council So by us waiting until july that extends their ability to continue to operate Is that the problem that i'm hearing? Yeah, what i'm what i'm really looking for is can we give direction to staff? to begin taking in Those renewals to fix them so that folks can start to operate We could have just a couple minutes Mayor rogers, would you like to ask your question while they're conferring? Yes, it was just uh two two points. The first was the grace period rather is 30 days 15 days, whatever I was talking about having it every year because life happens. It just doesn't happen this year And then when we say the three strikes and you're out they lose their permit or ever or or how long? So i'm i'm comfortable with that clarification about the Grace period every year if that's where council wants to go so i'll include that The three strikes what I heard from you and from the vice mayor And I imagine the council member fleming would also agree with this is three strikes in a calendar year And you lose your permit forever Okay, i'm not the current iteration in the that that's in the packet is It three strikes in a year you lose your permit and you have to wait a year But then you can reapply a year later, which would not be allowed under our proposed rules around Loss of permitting and and whatnot that's already been proposed anyway it'd be inconsistent Okay, I just wanted to be very clear with staff if that is the direction of the council that we mean three strikes And you're out like completely you don't get to come back up to that council member fleming I'd like to say two things one is to mayor roger's point Uh, I agree with that and to reiterate you would lose it for all of your properties Forever including any spouse or dependents or conservators or whatever you have That might be able to inherit it and I would change it from 12 months in a calendar year to our rolling 12 month period So you can't okay. I thought I heard calendar year my mistake Look, I I would be I get that this may not be popular and but I would be remiss If I didn't do this i'm going to put a substitute motion on the floor My substitute motion is that we eliminate all non-hosted uses in strictly residential residential zoning areas That we allow unhosted rentals in um commercial zones And that we we maintain consistency with the general plan Mayor roger's is your hand up Oh, no second Did you say second? Yeah So the discussion now is on the floor for the substitute motion from council member Fleming And seconded by mayor roger's I'll move to discussion council member alvarez. Could you repeat the motion on the on the floor, please? Yes, if it gets any traction, we can flush it out a little bit But the motion would be to remove all non-hosted uses from residential areas In order to maintain consistency with the general plan And for clarification, I think you also added language around adding it to the commercial zone area Well by default when you remove it from residential areas It therefore then is in But allowing it in commercial Yeah, that's that's making it more worthy than necessary. It's simply just removing unhosted rentals These non conforming and frankly not legal uses under our general plan from residential areas Maintaining consistency with the general plan that we all vote on Okay, the motion is on the floor with a second I'll go ahead and ask dina to a roll call vote if there's no more discussion from council Thank you council member step And i'm voting on the substantive substitute motion, right? Uh, no council member roger's Yeah, I would be uh Maybe supportive of putting it to the voters and saying you answer the question Do you want them in your residential neighborhoods or not? But given all of the work that we've done in all of the community outreach around This ordinance i'm going to vote no for now Council member okrepke no council member fleming yes Council member alvarez Yes, uh in respects of property rights. I would have to vote no vice mayor mcdonnell No, and mayor rogers No Let the record show that uh substitute motion failed So we're back on the original motion. Did we get clarification on what you were conferring on city attorney? Yes The I think what we'd like to do is to bring back an An amendment that would give the 60 day no 60 day grace period for those that missed the deadline this This time around and does that capture then everyone who? Ran into that problem No, I'm I'm not sure I would have to go back and look Is it the council's intent that it capture all the Individuals that have missed their deadlines so we can structure it that way Yeah, the the intent is because this is the first time going through the renewal and what we've heard consistently is It didn't go smoothly and it was complicated and people miss things Um that we are creating a space where in which people people in their first year renewal so they're I mean couldn't go back more than a year at this point have the opportunity to still come back into compliance Okay, and um and just for this year So I heard a desire from the mayor and I I am willing to go there of creating a 30 day grace period Imperpetuity for people on their renewal on their first year No in perpetuity. There'd always be a 30 day grace period correct Um, well we come we With the caveat they have to be an operator in good standing That that that was clear, okay Um Let me ask for some clarification. Are you saying you want? To allow 60 days For individuals to be able to come in And the ones who have missed their renewal period give them 60 days August to October to be able to come in And renew their permit correct. So it's okay So I'm good with 30 days even just making it quicker on both ends which might be causing the confusion So the first 30 day window is for anybody who has had a renewal issue right now They have 30 days to come in and correct it and if they can come in in that 30 days and correct it They can continue to operate in good standing Then as in the future people have their renewals that are due There's a 30 day grace period if something goes wrong and that they need to fix it before they're Completely bounced without the opportunity to ever come back into the process because we now have this Ever restrictive Permitting In order for us to operate or in order for us to allow them to come back to staff and clean up their permits Do we have to have an urgency ordinance or can we just allow that? No, we'll we'll just We were discussing I think we'd have a hard time making the findings for an urgency ordinance But we can go ahead and bring it back on the 20th. It'll be a regular ordinance that will go forward We'll also explore if there's some other way to get quicker relief It's not coming to my mind right now But we'll we'll look otherwise what we do is bring back on the 20th An amendment that only addresses that all the rest will wait until Until july 11th To make that that change But it'll be a regular ordinance which would then take 30 days to go into effect But we'll then give folks that 30 days thereafter When they can still come in and get their permit their renewal I saw councilmember alvarez and then back to councilmember fliming and then we'll go back to the motion the original motion If if we're speaking of of the grace period and perpetu- Thank you, sir and ma'am I would I'd hope that we include that it's those permittees that do not have violations on their Their property councilmember fliming I know it's late And I know you guys love me, right? So we're going to hang in there for one more substitute motion, which is a in a little bit of a different tack Which is that We would do two things one is that we would pass a motion tonight Um Something like where y'all are going and the other is that we would Ask staff to come back To help us craft either in a study session, which I think would be advisable Something to put on the ballot Since two-thirds of respondents of the survey said that these are either Okay, not enough or too much Um So we got nearly every question two-thirds of residents said that they weren't interested in this Being here or we weren't being strict enough. I think that the voters definitely deserve to be heard And the democracy is Could be functioning really well if we were able to put in the rules tonight the y'all are crafting And then have staff come back With something that we could put on the ballot in the primary or the general So it wouldn't be a special election or anything of that sort And then the voters will let us know whether or not they want these in in their areas I second that motion. I was going to ask if that's your motion Yeah, it wasn't super succinct, but it is my motion What i'm trying to say is that if my motion passes I don't want us to not then go be able to go and pass the motion that's On the table now Okay, I heard uh It's a it's not a substitute motion It's actually a new motion because you're not substituting out councilmember rogers, correct You're adding a new motion to the floor Which is a substitute motion when there is one on the floor So we'll go for the substitute motion that eddie has seconded to add ballot language have staff come back and add ballot language For as to consider to putting forward to voters This is a substitute motion. It's been seconded any discussion on this. It looks like the city attorney has a question I'm sorry because I I missed the original motion, but your motion would be to have To have staff bring back An ordinance to place on the ballot To restrict to prohibit short-term rentals in residential zones, right um, you know what? I think that I I would Perhaps retract my motion and put this friendly amendment on the floor That in addition to the language that councilmember rogers is crafting That he also include a request to staff to bring us back Um some language and ordinance toward seeing if the voters have an appetite for is eliminating These uses in residential areas You still second that motion council member rogers to accept if I understand All right councilmember rogers it is getting late. It's all good. Um, no, I I'll accept that into the motion um, and and just to tighten up a little bit what I heard was uh, a study session where in which the council can consider Putting on the ballot either in march or november Um, but not a special which I think is important A question to the voters of do you want to allow This use in residential neighborhoods So with the friendly amendment on the table just so i'm cleared is the second still in order from you councilmember alvarez Yes, it is Thank you councilmember o'crapki. So to clarify This is just to have a study session Not to put something actually on the ballot Yeah, the the council would at the study session have to choose to put it on the ballot But I think that there are so many Different macinations of how because we have to talk about grandfathering and we have to talk about right that I think Saying we're putting something on the ballot tonight would be putting the cartway before the horse But it would be to have the study session where in which we can consider Crafting something along those lines to put on the ballot That Mayor rogers if I may Just to get clarification. So You have your motion this councilmember rogers original motion Which is giving us direction for amendments to the ordinance And this addition is really a motion to direct staff to come back with a study session On a potential ballot measure At another time. So it's not part of the ordinance itself. It's really a Simply a direction to staff. Yeah, if the if the councilmember is comfortable, we can take it as two motions I'm happy to make both motions as part of the Sausage making process. I think it would be Cleaner to have it as two separate motions, but it could be combined I think that I'd be more comfortable with it being part of What if we did that motion first before the ordinance motion I think that it'd be better to have it be part of the same vote I think that everybody's getting a little bit of something and this is The one little bit of something that i'm asking for I'm good with that If staff could ask a clarifying question regarding the three strikes Would that include minor classes of violations? For example, if there were three advertisement violations in a one-year period Would that result in a permanent revocation? So if council is comfortable the way that I envision that is creating the tiered system where in which staff can distinguish between minor and major I'm talking about three major not somebody put a typo in the wrong place kind of a thing but Thank you I would amend that to say that there are people that do purposely Misrepresent themselves and I would like to give staff discretion to be able to Yes, to give the severe So not to differentiate by type but give you the discretion to say like this person is like 10 times made a typo So let's address it in a manner that's more severe Thank you. And then just as a follow-up question Would council I know there were concerns about discretion in the exercise thereof Would council have a preference as to whether We establish the fine schedule by internal policy or is that something that you would like to see brought back before you I'm fine with it being Internal policy and if we just get reports from time to time on On what it's at and then that gives the public and the council an opportunity to Course correct if we think that staff is not doing something appropriate. Thank you I have a question about that. I'm just going to go to mayor rogers. She's had her hand raised and we do have a motion And an amendment on the floor So I want to make sure that we are trying to get back to what's on the floor All right Thanks, mayor rogers Oh my question What or is a comment about victoria's? Friendly amendment I would just like to make sure that we have enough time To see the implementation Of the new ordinance at work to see if it's even An issue because I think with the new ordinance we really are being able to What would they say the bad players like we're really being able to look at them and get them out of The program so I would just hope that there's enough time for us to to evaluate that with the study session Councilmember flimmy Yeah, thank you and to that point the people that Have been living next door to these for years that i've been working with for them enough time is enough time and You know the ballot measure would come forward In march and if they're satisfied with our program or or november, so that's either I don't know nine months or However, I can't count at this hour, you know a year and a half from now I think that the voters will have enough time to make a decision about if what we're putting forward is working or not But I agree that there is time, but there's time naturally built into government, right Okay, we are at the motion that's on the floor the amendment to the motion that's on the floor since we're taking these as two separate votes We're doing one. It's combined. Okay. Let's let's if we can though. Let's ask staff. How confused are you? And do you need any additional clarification? So I won't speak for the others, but I do have two clarifying questions one Councilmember roger is I think I heard you say when you were going through your list To set a quarterly date for permits No to give you the ability to give staff the ability if that makes more sense if you want to To do it through a quarterly Process for renewal as opposed to the specific date for each individual permit Okay, I'm trying to give I'm trying to be a little bit more permissive for staff to be able to actually navigate and operate Okay, um, and then Um, are we not Touching the cap at this time. Is that what I'm hearing? Correct. Okay well So we're we're the only ways that we change the cap and I heard from sherry Is it won't be necessary is for the folks who had renewal issues? Coming back in And then it'll be more restrictive from there moving forward. So Technically over time the cap will go down the the amount will go down Until we make a determination around What that number could or should be in the future So there's one thing to clarify is that staff has not been accepting new applications Um, you know, we had the cap and we know that there have been some that in that were in process That have been denied or withdrawn Um, so we do know that there is a little bit of a buffer right now But we wanted to wait to see what council did with this before we started accepting new applications Um With keeping the cap as it is we'll need to come up with an equitable way to start accepting new applications If that's what the council wants or if the council doesn't Want to accept new applications We can go that rabbit as well. Yeah, I heard from council not accepting new applications at the moment Councilmember operas I support your statement councilmember rogers and the reason that I do is if we do have A permit team who is one within 1,000 feet and we have another person that comes in they would be Excluded from obtaining the permit. So I definitely do agree with that statement Is there any more clarification needed councilmember o'crep? He needs more clarification. I apologize councilmember o'crepki So to try to make this a little bit more concise The motion is all the all the Clarifications you put forward and and changes you put forward Having the cap stay at 198 plus those in process No new and a natural attrition Did we decide if we're going to come back in two years and readdress that or is that yeah, that's part of the motion. Okay, so 198 plus new applications plus coming back in two years to see if that Cap is appropriate and have a study session to see if we should put this on the ballot in march Yep, so theoretically you'll have the discussion around the ballot that'll inform whether or not we need to change the cap number Okay, is that your yes vote So I am so sorry can I please ask for just for final clarification? Of course you can so the cap is going to end up being less than 198 It's likely to be 186 or maybe lower than that if any of those that are still in process And we're so we're just going to craft it worded so that We're not taking any new ones Non-hosted. Okay. Thank you. And again Hosted totally different right absolutely. Thank you Is there any more clarification needed from staff? Are we clear on the motion that's on the floor? Can we I just want to know how many times staff is going to have to rewatch this I apologize in advance then We'll go ahead and do a roll call vote Councilmember step. Yes Councilmember rogers. Hi councilmember okrepke. Hi councilmember Fleming. No Councilmember alvarez. Hi Vice mayor mcdonald. Hi Mayor rogers I The record show this motion passes with six affirmative votes Thank you. We're now moving on to 17.1 Which is just an update of state legislature that is being supported by us And we are now to our public comments on Number 18 last public comment of the night Thank you. We are now taking public comment on item 18 non-agenda matters This is the second period where you can make public comments on non-agenda matters If you did not provide those comments under the earlier agenda item under 14 Please make your way to the podium if you choose to provide public comment On non-agenda matters or raise your hand via zoom Vice mayor i'm seeing no one in council chamber approaching the podium for public comment on non-agenda matters We do have one hand being raised via zoom again This is for public comments on non-agenda matters If you've already provided public comment on non-agenda matters earlier in the agenda This is not a second opportunity to provide comment That hand is now down Vice mayor That concludes public comment on non-agenda matters You now the meeting is adjourned