 She's on her way with A Street. She's going to have to step in the capital room, Rush. So we're going to add. One day. Yes. One morning coffee, Rush. So what we're going to do today, Anakin can't join us. I'll stay over here for you. Anakin can't join us, unfortunately. But I think we can still do what we need to do for our time. So the board said the two main goals of this day was to talk about processes. So I have two that we went through. For you all went through as a board that we're going to dig deep into and look at what was possible about it, what could have been different about it. And then we're going to look at themes of those processes to think in the future when we have big decisions to make. Let's keep the whole truth of these parts of the process and try to be aware of parts that may not have worked. So that's our morning work. Then we'll take break. And then our after break work is to do some bulls. So we're going to do a brainstorming protocol. We'll have time for individual things, for small partnership things, then big things all together. That's how two different protocols between breaks is going to go. It's an individual small group. And then bring it back to the whole group at the end to make sure that all voices are heard. Yeah, so good. OK. Any questions before we start? Should we do the consent agenda? We have one item. Oh, yeah. Thank you. Thank you. Yeah, I was going to say it's a formal start for me. There you go. The reading form was started at 8.20. 10. 8.10, sorry. Oh, 9. 8.09. 8.09. Whatever. Let's see. 8.09. I move to approve the consent agenda. I think we need to give opportunity for public comment. Oh. Public comment. See none. And then consent. I move to approve the consent agenda. Do I have a second? I second. Any discussion? All those in favor? Aye. Any opposed? Except to do the process. All right, now we're ready to go. OK, first, we don't have it launched. We can't. We don't have this one. OK. You can't from this room. Anyway, let's just do this. What about the terrible opening of those that we have? No, we have a space that people can come to, but you don't need a new one. That's just an extra that we do. There we go. Pastries. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Good to see you all. Anna, mine's on zaps. OK. OK. So we're going to do a protocol, kind of a take on what's called road cafe. Has anybody done a road cafe before? OK, so you kind of do rounds of questions within your small group. And the whole purpose is to dig deep, and then get feedback from the other groups. We have two groups. It's a little bit, it usually goes into more depth when you have more than two groups, but we're going to make it work with just our two groups here. And so this is all about a process. So that's where your head should go. So this group over here, you're going to focus solely on the SRO and Safety Committee process. That's your job. This group over here is going to work on the track process. That's your job. So you're going to have opportunity to talk off the other process as well. So don't think that you're going to not be able to talk anything about the track. You will be. It's just you're going to focus in on what you're going to do. We're going to go through four different sets of questions. One's that question, one's a statement, one's just a task. But we're going to go through four different questions that we have planned. One person in your group needs to be a transcriber, person who's going to write. And then one person in your group, or two people actually, because we have more, I forgot the American Zach group. So two people in your group are going to be travelers. So the job of the traveler is that you're going to take your information that you talked about, so you have to have a good memory, and travel to the other team, right? The other team's going to present to you what they had been talking about. And the travelers are going to do two things. They're going to really dig in and ask questions. And I actually gave you some questions starters, just in case you need some scaffolding there. So that's at your seats. You're going to dig in with like, did you think about, what about those kind of really deep questions? And the people who remain at the table, your job is not necessarily to answer them, your job is just really think about them, because then that travelers are going to go back to their original homes, and then your group's going to be able to discuss a little bit further. The travelers were wondering about, what do we think about, that kind of thing. So you're going to dig a little bit, have a chance to dig a little bit deeper into that original question. If that doesn't make sense, it will when we start, I promise. Just for a second. Did we talk to the last major about flipping the process and the work plan? No, we didn't. I think we did. Did you do goals first and then process second? Yeah. Amar. Am I remembering that correctly? I think that was in your email, but does it matter? Is it? I don't think it matters, I just want to, I just remember. I see them on the nodding. Do what? It's just like, we're always running out of time, so I think, but I know we left it, so the goals, we'll drive right into the board meeting on Wednesday. I think, I do think the goal setting travels more better into the board meetings than process, so if we do run out of time. Okay, here's your first task, all right? And this is not one, well, we will travel on this one, but this is not one that you're going to be sitting, you're going to be up at your board, so my track people are going to be up over here, and my safety committee is going to be up over there. Your first task is to simply write a detailed timeline of what happened with the process, from the very first thing you remember to the end of part of it, or where we are currently at the end of our museum, the track isn't necessarily, right? So that's your first goal, you'll have seven minutes to get that down, so there's not a lot of time to talk, so you all can go up and right on that side of the board, you all over there, detailed timeline. Take the lead there. Timeline of what happened with that process. One challenge, yes, so I don't know if three of us were present for that. I think we're all in sprays together to come up and proceed at our time. Yeah, we're going to get around that. So for this part, you guys can be excellent questionnaires, then, right? We can be able to question a little bit more. So I think for the timeline that moves to the slide, do you have your presentation? My presentation? Yeah. So we could put a question mark. Yeah. So that's your original learning, and it's just from the students or as a film. So there was a, the first was a presentation, and if you don't know exact dates, it's okay, general time. Well it kind of just happened first to the end of this. Exactly, yeah. The students brought a presentation, like a PowerPoint, pictures of the track, and just sort of explaining how it wasn't working for them, and why it felt it was important to invest. Oh, so that was the first time it was a student presentation when you heard all those. That's when I read them. There may have been, like there might have been like one email or something, but not that I can pull up at my desk. It was not like, because first time I heard about it was that S or funding survey, like how to spend that money. I don't know when that was exactly spent on. That would have been after eight. Yeah. Parents and caregivers. Yeah, I'm not like remembering one specific one, but I'm also not finished with the first copy of the day, so. Okay. Jill. Yeah. Do you remember anything? No, I remember definitely a lot of emails. But I think you're leading up to that presentation, so that sounds right. Yeah, like we're coincided with. All right, so we'll just say, plus public email. Right, I'm just gonna get some of yours. Okay. So I just work transplants. And then. And then at some point Andrew did his study. Part of that. Jill was to the initial study for like the feasibility or whatever, like the basic. So maybe I could put that in the middle of, I don't know, because that was about like, before there was the idea for it, there was a study, then there was the vote, and there was a bunch of stuff between that. Well, as Merrick said, there was, yeah, there was the S or surveys. So that was like. But I think the feasibility was first. I think the board would. I don't remember seeing the feasibility until pretty much the feasibility was presented to us at that board meeting. Right. So we don't know, the question is, when did you know it was a start to the feasibility? So let's do this. Let's do, okay. So just some. Libby's got a memory. Switch. Yeah. Right for this process. Right. Yeah. Yeah. Cause I don't remember like. You're gonna stay there. Like, do you remember me approving just because you're really steady or anything like that? Like, I don't think that came to the board. I think that was just. So, Red's joining your team. There we go. Okay. Welcome, Red. Thanks. Thank you. Our world travel. And also the community engagement, caregiver engagement, continue. Do you know how this all happened after COVID hit? It did all. It did. It was, it was too long. It was, it, it. People started to write in, around, when schools started. Okay. And there was the shooting switch of the SRL. Okay. That was placing their elementary school. Thank God. Yeah, there was some. Yeah. There was no SRL places to see elementary school. But she was there with her non sort of life. That was all. Yeah. There was an incident at UES. Is it not one of the things we considered? Also in, also in early. No, that was like the first day of school. Yeah. In early in school. Infrastructure bill. You have about two minutes last to get your timeline down. Is this going to be infrastructure money or just for someone? Right. Right. Like, I feel like there was this question mark of like how, if we were to do this track project, where are we going? Yeah, where are you? Okay. Okay. And I forget, I forget whether the UES, I think the UES incidents happened. And they were in April? March, April? I forget exactly when the, the board. What happened in the last, I honestly, I forgot what it was before after the UES. And what it was around then. But Libby said dates, dates, dates. There was also, Yeah. And Joel, let me know if I'm just remembering. There was a. Just to make sure everyone has the same idea of what happened. Community slash caregiver petition to remove the SRO. Correct. I know. So probably that was sort of like, Yeah. Not. It might have even gotten started before that. Really on my radar. And then it just was like, bam, it's on an agenda. Right. Feasibility study. But was the feasibility itself presented, wasn't that presented with the potential for a vote? That night. The feasibility study was the second board meeting coming up. And that was, Yeah. I think that's early 2020. But then you know, because the feasibility study was presented to us before. One of those, Yeah. And then I guess calling for more public input and asked for those. And I think also involved 2019, there are further board discussions that resulted in the decision to create a SRO safety committee. A vote was called. The feasibility study results. Oh, right. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And then we have one more minute to get your broad strokes done. I wasn't even on the board until March 2020. In what? And I feel like I remember these things happening. So I'm like, I'm really Katie. Oh, it might be 2020. Sorry. No. Yeah. It's funny. It's funny. Sorry. No, you're right. Well, So that was the second meeting. Yeah. Yeah. Sorry. No, that's okay. I mean, I think it probably did start fall of 2019, but I started. It didn't start in fall of 2019. Like I'll be honest. We did this in 2020 for sure. Yeah. I think that summer. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. COVID started in 2019. Yeah. I would say COVID-19, but it really was COVID-20. Yeah, it started about March and we like closed school down. And then I feel like we received a lot of input. This definitely happened over the summer of 2020. Spring, summer of 2020. Yeah, you're right. It's my memory. Yeah, no. You're totally right. I'm not right here. Yeah, I know. We should be asking how you missed it. So, now the board level. Yeah. But we have this. Alright, finish up your last thought. If you don't have dates, don't worry about it. It's broad strokes. And broad strokes. I mean, like honestly, it started after George Floyd. Yeah. Right, so July. Like, we, like... Like estimates and stuff like that. Like... The board did not hear a thing about the SRR on George Floyd, which makes a lot of sense, but... Yeah. And you also had an SRR that I think was well-mined. And he left. And he left. And yeah, that's the other thing. And it's long. Wait, I should put up with that. Open time. Matt and I, Matt, it's been really a long time. Matt and I, as it leaves, what did he leave after? Was that after the board? The committee before? It was like that. It was before. I think that was great travelers. Yeah, so Matt and I, as it leaves in 2019, we had a new SRR. So it's before. I put George Floyd on it, too, because I think it... Because he worked so hard. All right, you finished up that thought, Kristen? Yeah. That's where the departs. And then we have a new SRR. But does this kind of... Then the new SRR came in before. Yeah. It started. Yeah. Here. Okay, and then we have... So what you're gonna do just for five minutes while Kristen's finishing up that last thought, just for five minutes, we're gonna... Everybody's gonna cross, not just the travelers, but everybody's gonna cross. And just pick up a different color marker. And if there's something that you remember happening in that timeline, that you think is part of the barrage growth, it's important to get down, just write it down just to make sure that everybody has the same idea about what happened in this process. And remember, exact dates, exact board meetings, don't really matter. It's just kind of a timeline of events, okay? So everybody's gonna cross, grab another marker. You don't... One person doesn't have to write what you could. And just look what they did and add on. Anything you think needs to be added on, okay? And we have about five minutes to do that. I wasn't around for this, I'm sorry. Yeah. Your head's a little beautiful. I can't run. I can't run. I'm sorry. I had to look like this. One person to the meeting. When was it created that was the same date? Oh, when was the committee formed? Yeah. Because that's the final item. Was it late? September? 2020? Okay, so... We'll wrap that up September. Pick a different color just so we know that it's added on. Okay, so, okay, so SRO Departes, new SRO, George Floyd, Parents Community SRO Program, what do you think of that, Mark? What that is as well for you? Public comment. What is the... Can you come to my special SRO? Community is asking, what is all of the SRO? I see, I see, I see questions around, questions around the SRO program, okay? Public comment, emails. Late summer, fall, four takes up this year. Start of school, EES incident, right? On the playground, I don't know. Like just there was a police presence on the playground, the first day of school. The first day of school? I don't know. She was put in an inactive. Yeah. Community, CGE, CGE caregiver? Yes, I think that's all. So this was a, and can we name that group there? Just schools? That one? Just schools initiative. Emma, I think you and I could fill in a little bit more of what happened next because we were on the commission. Board creates awesome. So we met September through how did it end? I want to say it was March. It was a long process. Yeah, don't get caught up on the base. Oh, this was the committee to recommend that we're moving on to the school results. School results are awesome, yeah. September 20 to March 21, committee. And you could be like community surveys, stakeholder engagement. That include teachers? Yes, and police officers, and other schools, and caregivers, and social workers, and kind of anybody you can ask me. Is it reasonable to infer that those conversations were happening in a lot of districts? Or no? As you reached out beyond our district, were there like a few conversations at least? I would use the word a lot. I want to use the describer. I love you. I love you. And then I think it was probably March of 21 where the board voted to not have an SRO. Committee presentation and court vote. Yeah. Maybe that's what you could say. So 50% of Vermont schools at SROs are just across the country? In Vermont. School districts. Right. Not individual schools. Like we had board for our students before. Right. So I'm just going to stress that out a little bit. You're Mr. Holliday, the second grade teacher, with that teacher came right in the middle of there. Yeah. I have a board vote to move. All right, you all happy with this? With what's out there to add on? You all happy every year? No. One more thing. Let's say we're on board. We're here. It was interesting. The budget was presented with the board. Do you remember anything else happening before? I guess it was the board for the rest of the year. That would be in December. Yeah. It's the survey with the presentation of the budget draft in the 2021 year. It just was the item that had been removed from the budget before the meeting was held. So it was just interesting. We have 80 people taking part in the board. There was just petition. OK, let's move back to our original team. In terms of in the room, I feel like we probably had close to two. And as you're moving back, can we just take a look at what people added to your time line decision? I'd say it was included. I think it's, yeah. If we don't have it all, it's OK. It's just a general idea. So we're just planning, uh-huh. All right, so just take a look at what people added. I think that is the details of your main board at the bottom there. Yeah. Jill, I'm totally switching. Yeah, I'm totally switching. Sorry. We'll miss you. I'm going to get Jill over there. I'm going to get her right over there. OK, so here's the next question that I put on chart paper now. So if somebody's going to be the writer on chart paper, you need to have a pen or a marker at your table to be the person who's going to write. And the question is, thinking about your process, so you all are thinking about the safety committee in SRO. You all are thinking about the track. Think about that process. The question is, well, there's two questions actually in this one. What were the benefits to this type of process? And how did the board intentionally cause these benefits to occur? OK, so what were the benefits of the process? And how did the board intentionally cause the benefits to occur? So one person's going to write. You just kind of shout out ideas, have a deception. You've got 10 minutes for this discussion. And you're staying in your groups for that time. Can you read the second question? It's all right here. Well, how did the board intentionally cause the benefits to occur? Yeah, you totally stand out there. All right, so you have 10 minutes. One person's writing. Your marker is effective in input from the board. That was very persuasive to me. It was an actual testimony from impact. Yes, yes, I would agree with what you just said. The other thing I would add is the specific, yeah. Yeah, I think we're going to ask for it. And I did at the first board meeting where we heard about it. Were some of this impacted individuals' students? Calling out for input on this, which feels pretty interesting. I wasn't ready to go this night. And it felt like I wanted to hear from more people. I think there was some of us that were ready. And some of us maybe passed ready. And I think the committee work, it's like really a traditional, you know, it felt like all of the deaf community were happier. They're older, different, they're older, they're more in this, you know, I mean, a lot of people probably had already made their mind. I only, like, I think I came from the board as a board member, two meetings, like one month before. Yeah, I think it was really nice that it was, like, teachers and students and the meeting members. That's kind of like, like, the stakeholders, but it was like, and that's another, a lot of people enjoy our, like, participates. Many of us agreed to feel like we have the support of the broader community and not, like, pretend like we're making the decision. People that weren't necessarily involved. Prior to. Prior to that. So that space was created. There was like an application for that. To the committee. To the committee. And as Merrick said, like, just awareness. The community right now is very aware that this is uncreateable. And yeah, I would say, probably wouldn't have been as aware if it wasn't as much, like, as many efforts to engage the community. Right. I feel like, I would say, right, I'm open-minded to an issue that had to approach. Because I'm also just that, as we said. So we'll actually have to think about what, where they'll learn about it. Okay. Hold that back. Okay. Joe, Joe, please. I'd like to one thing. So how did we We have 10 minutes, but you're going to interrupt more questions. Yeah. The next 10 minutes, we had a question. We had 10 minutes. Each question? Yeah. We have plenty of time. Dickie. How did you do it? They did board attention. I was just with Dickie and I talked about the content. I'm not sure it was far safe proper. But I would say by, by directly asking for it. And holding it back. And holding it back. You passed. Priority that. You know, in my question session, except for what it was, it was like, it should be just as early as before. You got this. But that was good. That was good. That was good. But the board didn't do that. Correct. Yeah. Yeah. That's part of it. It's the same with some of these things, but this is the board's board. Right. I can't take credit. I mean, I don't know if you guys have seen this as an investment, but like, I felt like it was like one of the benefits for me, and I'm hoping others to realize these processes, it really was persuasive. Like, I feel like it really sort of made the case and changed minds and eliminated the perspective. But we also, you know, that's the time. Well, and some of you, so Jill, do you think that was because of the evidence? Because evidence was used in GEO, which is like, what do you think about that? I think the testimony was the first draft of the agenda. It was really persuasive. But everyone else pretty much had that in front of them. Maybe that there was going to be a volume of testimony. The public had seen the, maybe, some of the evidence, the data around it. Yeah. The agenda that I knew more. Yeah, I'd say that probably. Story certainly does indeed. That's my understanding. And that I'll go say no. Right. Right. Right. Right. Right. Right. Right. Right. Right. Right. Right. Was that, you know, was the recognition that there was a lack of data in the site, like election of new data? Was that like an outcome in any way? Well, I don't know. So. There were. Yeah. We didn't have any specific, like, data for after this. We had. We had. They needed to hear from you. And my model was very bold. There was. It's not even signed. Uh-huh. Uh-huh. And then we're. It's all like this is the data that we collect. This is where it's involved in anything. Right. We didn't have that as a district. Uh-huh. Not every subject does the same amount of data. The fans doesn't track those. Oh, man. I'm immediately broad. Ah. The community input was visible. Wow. The awareness is up there. I brought it. I started out of understanding. Yeah. And I agree with you. Yeah. You did anything intentionally, though. No. For a place that we're not. And the board definitely had a deeper understanding of what the history of the SRO was. What the purpose was. What you made proud. Mm-hmm. You know. It really liked the lack of actual formal structure behind it. Yeah. Pre-induced relationship. Yeah. Like big board learning opportunity. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Yeah. Just a lot of feedback in the schools. But not directly. I don't think we can take credit for a lot. I mean, I guess I think about just like, you know. Looking up there. The success that we experience when there's that feedback loop. You know what I mean? In between. And I know we just think community input. But you know what I mean? But when that, when that feedback loop is happening, it seems like we can, you know, best do our work to ensure that it reflects. So on our experience. And our shock team. Sorry. On our high school shock team, it was Meg who like really encouraged a lot of people to go. Yeah. To talk with her about that beforehand. Right. And so I wouldn't say it was like. Sort of like maybe you weren't wearing your board hat at that time. Right. Right. Like I was on board with like. Yeah. Engaging the tracking to compensate. Sure. And I'll give me a credit in that this is sort of part of the work that we've been doing to try to engage our community. Is that every thing is posted on friends of Montpelier schools in front of Portugal. And you usually highlight like this is what we're talking about tonight. Yeah. I think that's an intentional board action to encourage public input. Thank you for doing that. Yeah. Every time I see it, I'm like, thank you, Mia. You have those things like you changed the agenda. Right. So like agendas were changed. I didn't know your talk about earlier with Emma was like, I need more time to hear from the community. Yeah. The intentional action that actually changed the agenda, like the timing of agenda stuff that is something that the board has full control over. That's the one thing we're taking pride of for. Yeah. And I think that I think the other thing that another piece for both processes is that. Yeah. You all have, whether you will admit it or not tremendous community outreach and are open to hearing things from the community. That's intentional. Right. That's not. Yeah. Like, that's something that you have done intentionally that other boards. That open this intentional openness. Yeah. I think we've set the tone in the community that we are a board that's willing to listen. Yeah. Just a slight anecdote to demonstrate how much is the Chicago public schools. I learned this from my friend was there's no way you can access them. there's no way you can access them, you can't email them, you can't show up at a meeting if they have no. Why not? That sounds to violate, it sounds like it violates the law. Do they not? Maybe Illinois has a different... Well, those are also salaried physicians. That's your job in Chicago to be on the school board. Right, so wouldn't you think? I don't know why, but I know that that is a very different dimension. This was my job too. Right. I mean, I don't like they don't have room for anything else. I don't know why that would allow you to include public comment, but... I think that doesn't make any sense. Yeah, okay. There's that last thought. That's fine. There's a tangent anyways. All right, then what we're going to do now is travel. So we need two travelers, decide quickly who's going to be the traveler at your table. Emma. You didn't want to travel today. Two travelers? It is a really good question. All right, Jim and... Sure. I do. You're going to have to look at your compliments this morning. Chris is traveling, all right? Two travelers over here? Oh, two for me? Yeah. Oh, yeah, yeah, we are here. Okay, sit down and get the director's first, please, so you're paying attention. Here you go, Chris. The travelers are going to switch, okay? The traveler's main job is to listen and ask clarifying questions. Thus, the sentence starters, if you need help with clarifying questions, right? It's not to answer or to add or it's more of like, hey, did you think about in different ways, okay? The people who stay, who are not traveling, your job is to explain your conversation, all right? And you have 10 minutes to do this. So the idea is what I used to tell my psychic traders, right? If no one's talking, it's your turn to talk, first of all. And then the second one is stay in the conversation, right? So no question is done, remember? So those sentences about how come you focused on this? How come? Who wasn't talking to you that, you know, like those kind of questions are really good questions to take. You have 10 minutes, so stay in it for 10 minutes. And are we just asking about how the question... Positive, okay. Yep, just the question we're on. All right, travel, do you travel? We put it up on the wall so the travelers can see it. My legs are really tired from a really long weekend of farming because I'm so tired. So far, we need more lessons to talk about what conversation was about. Okay, so we honed in on just a few benefits that the board could say we intentionally did something to make it occur. We got a large amount of community input, which was overwhelmingly in support of the track. And it increased public awareness in general. And what the board did was we directly asked the public for feedback at a meeting and in a few other little outreach things like a post... I remember Amanda posting up from Orchforum. And we postponed the... But we, you know, changed the agenda to postpone the vote to the next meeting to allow the space for that. And we have established a sort of reputation or vibe that the board is really open to input. So that's how we answered those questions. So I think going to the earlier process, I mean, didn't the board also do some engagement points like asking or creating some sort of students to come in? The student presentation in August? Yeah, was it August? I think it was in like spring, yeah, well before. I don't remember the board asking for that presentation. Did you ask for it or did they say, hey, we got something to show you? It was a combination of the two. I think we kind of worked with... It was a project that Matt put together. I think there was a reach out that we were like, open and long. And then they put in the ask. So they engaged the student about it? Yeah, I think it's like creating opportunities for student presentations. That was to say just the budget process in general, because it was presented in various options through... Yeah, having Andrew come in and talk about it, or talk about it as part of larger packages. Yeah, that was a big part of all that SR possibility. We created a lot, I don't know about momentum, but we really needed to figure out what to do with all this. Which money is going to be used where, and what's the most effective way to do this, and what is... we did a lot of reach out through affinity spaces. You know, the affinity spaces, we almost gassed them when it was SR infrastructure funding. And then it hasn't... the affinity spaces haven't been as a large part of the vision process that Nathan was hoping for, because I think that they were kind of... they put out a lot of information, and then they sort of were like, we did that already, we don't want to do that again. I don't know exactly, but it definitely... There's only so many times, I guess you could ask, and it all turned into a lot of it was based on infrastructure needs, and infrastructure spending might feel like that's almost unfortunate that those groups and people with their different perspectives and needs and concerns use all their energy to talk about infrastructure stuff. I feel like the infrastructure can help a little bit with some of the needs and concerns from some of our community groups. How would you say, Britt, that that's related to the process we went through? Well, one of the things I'm thinking about is there were all these conversations about different ways to spend the money, and then it sort of... the SR funds were going to go to Windows that freed up the general fund, and then that was available for the track, and there were all these sort of dominoes. You know what I mean? There are all these stages that ended up with the track, and it was all sort of like... I don't know. Suddenly we ended up voting on the track. That's kind of what it felt like, but there was a lot of work with a lot of funding and a lot of different needs, and it maybe was somewhat overwhelming, and it was hard to sort of foresee how you would... what it would look like at the end, what the findings of our research was, and all of our stakeholder engagement. So were there not recommendations? Yeah, I think we had recommendations in the case of what we were removing in office, like the SRO, here are options. We presented options, but I don't think... we didn't say you should remove the SRO. No, but you do recommendations like... oh, restorative justice practices, yeah. So you did have some recommendations. Yeah, that's true. I mean, you said that you wouldn't have known the views of other people if there was a vote, but was it like kind of a unanimous set of findings or was there some contention? There wasn't any contention about the research and like the stakeholder feedback. It wasn't like that yet, but I mean like Jill said, it was just interesting because the process was so long. We put that length of time, made priority for a length of time. The process was so long. It was very thorough, I feel like, and we spent many, many, many hours. I don't know if I ever tallyed the hours. Oh, he's got the presentation right here. But so by the end of it, I felt like it was... for me, it was a very enlightening process and it felt very clear. As a board member, when I took my vote, I felt clear. So that was helpful because if we had tried to make the vote, the outcome might have been the same, you know, but we didn't do all that work to like feel really confident. So I think that was very intentional and I think it helped all the board members feel confident in me and taking a vote. Did you? Yeah, that's a really good input. Yeah, I felt really well informed. Well, me, we did and I got some to do that. So I appreciate you bringing us back. So I think maybe what I hear Red saying is like, so one thing we've seen is you, so this is, I'm trying to think of these questions. So we're trying to... I'm trying to be a traveler. Like we made it a priority. We had a standing board meeting. We were at a committee in different various ways. You know, those were sort of the intentional space created and applying it to the tenancy. We had local strategies and board members, we had... And then the benefits were things like... And then the sort of side that we heard as we finished up the pot and some of the votes that we engaged in that community. I guess what I'm thinking of is this was probably the most contentious thing we've done on the board in terms of like the community having strong feelings about it one way or the other. And I just wonder like intentionally what we did to sort of like manage those mixed feelings in our community. Okay, so I think a lot of this is... Travelers say thank you very much. Move back to your group. Move back to your group for me. Travelers and people who say... Oh, you just said three minutes, just three minutes of like, this is what we thought more about, okay? Just quick three minutes. This is what we thought more about. So go ahead. Well, it was helpful to have Emma come over because she was sort of providing some illumination about what was provided here, that there were findings that were presented to the board with sort of next step resolutions, but not like here. We decided this is what you need to do. And we filled out our list of stay forward, out of it more clearly to make it really clear that the board intentionally and the committee intentionally, proactively included voices from their perspectives set up a sort of self-selected form. We had state officials, police, I mean the state... There was a lot of disparate projects... Okay, here's your next question. Okay, so you're going to kind of put a pin in that. The next question is, what are the drawbacks of this type of process and what role did the board play in creating these drawbacks? Okay, that's your next question. You have to kind of pin it in that discuss path. What are the drawbacks of this type of process and what role did the board play in creating them? All right. I'm happy, I'm happy. Drawbacks were a lot of disparate information. So I think the drawback of having just open community feedback, or I guess just like free community feedback without like a structure to it, is that you're gonna, the people who are going to comment on the track project or a project with some kind of goal are going to be ones who are already kind of in support of it. The echo chamber, like it's sort of like drawing an echo chamber? Right. So the process invites the vocal minority or the... Yeah, I would, yeah. I don't necessarily know if it's a minority. Yes, I think... The more vocal, which might not be totally reflective of everyone, especially the people who might be more impartial to it. Yeah. Who might be just like... Yeah. What's the second part of the question again? What role did the board play in creating these drawbacks? So for that drawback, I feel like it's sort of like lack of reactive... Common understanding of the timeline of that decision. And in that lack of common understanding we didn't... I don't feel like we did an appropriate amount of work to try to draw feedback from other people. Like there wasn't a lot of time in my mind to do stakeholder engagement around this question. But I mean, should it have been on my radar? I guess so, but I just feel like it could have been more collaborative as a board to be like, okay, here are some of the big decisions that we're thinking about. Big ticket items that we're thinking about spending money on. Here's our budget timeline. Here's the SFO timeline. Like I feel like we could have been more intentional about like, let's make sure that we all feel confident that our community is buying into these big decisions and which one they're most excited about. So I don't know how to work that. But if we're talking specifically about sort of like drawing the vocal people in, it's about... I see that as like it takes a lot of time and effort and like... Strategy and intention to draw people in that. Like to seek people out that might have disagreed with that decision. Well, and maybe what we could have done, and I know that one of the administrators did this around the ESSER was, in asking the ESSER questions, was like, there are many things we could spend this money on. Maybe it's more like rather than working reactions to the funding on spending $1.5 million to upgrade the track. What do you think about that? We could have painted a broader picture and said, here is what we imagined we could spend this money and we'd like to get you to like rank or something. I don't know. That's probably not like the best answer, but it's a way of not really, I don't know, of demonstrating, I think, what you're talking about or like drawing out people who maybe the track isn't at the top of their radar, but if they saw, oh, they're also potentially considering net zero or whatever, then they don't have to think of it themselves. Right. And we did get a few other people, you know, a tiny minority of people who spoke out saying net zero or could you think of X or Y instead of this? Like when we focus on the little pieces, instead of having a global picture, I'll demonstrate that there are things pop up that are in the global picture that we hadn't even noticed. So, for example, MMO, those are things that should be in the global picture, like like how we look at the systems, and so when we talk, we're talking about what did the board do, right? And I don't react to the administration or the credit for as they review all the S or thinking, like here are these lots of options. So, outside contacts are always going up. And then I think what happened is there was no kind of a strategy. I think we have all the access to all of that. Like we have done, you know, we put in like our DEI policy, which I think was a really good guide for that. So in some ways we were correct. And then things like, like, I'm sure there's a million MMOs floating around this district on small employment arrangements. The board has no idea. So I'm not sure if we really blame ourselves for not knowing about some of those things. Well, this just from my perspective, I don't know if this is a very special way around that. Oh, it's like it's a brain on the thing. Oh, no, I know it's about what I'm trying to put a little context in. So maybe that's a different way too. And there was a lot of like just sort of like, this is the first time I've ever heard of this. And so like, I don't, you know, yeah, I know how do you get, how do you sort of articulate this? I think you're right that specific things come up, but they're actually a sort of a symptom of bigger thing that needs context for it. And you can't really solve it without the bigger picture. What is sort of a magic dust that we can sort of go on this process? I always put it in form of a question. Sorry. I think it's a great example. I think there's lots of you'll, and I do not insisting sort of idea, right? It's like, it's an issue that's a symptom of a larger thing that we have to make the time to address. So I mean, a drawback is that it requires sort of an immediate response, but then a much bigger, longer, more deeper, for being in perspective, for the examination of the issues we cited. Okay, well, these things are, these processes are out there. I get to have listening sessions and the service. And again, it feels weird to talk about drawbacks. Do they do feel like that says the data, but I don't know. It was a good process. Exactly. We did some listening sessions during ESR funds, but I guess the time, I mean, it's about a common understanding of sort of a timeline and being like, okay, it'd be very intentional about, you know, just so you guys know my daughter. So that's why she's super caring. I test before I came, and I test the left wing, and I test the right wing, and I feel fine, but I just feel very totally understand that. All right, nice. Oh, that's sorry, you're a daughter. Did she feel unwell right now? She's sick tonight. I didn't realize that, so it's just, I don't know what. The dance was totally worth it. Yeah, that was my feeling. And then after that, I started thinking, oh, it requires me in response, but demands a deeper dig, you know, learning to come up with an appropriate response or appropriate. No, in a sense of it, together. Yeah. And, but demands. That sounds like just a line of work that we can do between those sessions, right? There's some sort of disconnect. There is a, yes, yes. Does that make sense? Yep. And some of it might just be processed because it's a drawback, but it's challenging. It's hard to make sure you're genuinely hearing from the voices who aren't proactively coming to the table. So, it would be easier to just hear from people who proactively reach out, but it was a challenge to genuinely get to the voices that needed to be heard. Maybe that's still kind of part of number one, is that it's intensive and time-consuming, but it could also be an unawareness of the problem, just because of the makeup of the board in terms of, I mean, there were not students on the board, there were not a lot of BIPOC people on the board. It's not like you should point your fingers at that, but you can't be aware of the problem. Like a bigger systemic problem, you can't really be aware of that. It doesn't affect you daily or directly. It takes you being proactive to see that. And that's difficult to do when you don't have community being like, this is a problem. So, I feel like that's why it came up when it did. So, board makeup did not reflect the communities' major decisions, did not reflect the identities of the individuals that we really needed to hear from. That's true. Or like, just, I think the goal that we played this morning, I think just led the board makeup led to a lack of awareness or like direct experience somehow. So, that's what I would say is like, we're not lack of organization. We're about two more minutes with this one of your group. The goal that we played, it's almost like, what didn't we do? Or what don't we do on a regular basis? And like, that's a problem I think across everywhere. Not like, specific to the school board. Does that feel accurate? This part feels a little bit, let's see if I can get down a lot. So, later today, we're going to be trying to set some goals. I'm not sure that. I think a drawback is also, we're going to be able to anticipate because of what Factors mentioned, we're just being able to hear. There may be a trauma impact in the community that just happens and we don't realize it. And so, it's like what we need to do is both, like how you process the information, impact the community that you have to do it, like here's what you think. Drawback, we're challenging. It's a challenge. There's an emotional toll for those testifying providers. But also, I can also process the process of ourselves, the space to. Is there another perspective there to, in terms of, I think there's two things, have this particular process of when and in charge that we have. And solid battles that we're working toward. And there's discomfort for our community. It makes progress for those who are sharing their story that were centered around the negatively impacted. There's also a toll on the people who didn't choose to speak, who may have supported meetings of police or who supported the SRO position that we didn't hear much about. So, there's like two, like why, my question would be why didn't we? So, there might be something in there around a drawback of exclusion or I'm not sure exclusions, because nobody said you can't speak, right? It's almost a political charge to the issue. And they do in this particular community that may have influenced who's going to do it. I think we did get on like all the surveys we did. And I don't know, like again, like that the same thing could apply, you know, just like an element of perspective. Yeah, I don't think we got like a whole lot of like strong support. There were definitely people who were like, there were definitely people who were like, this is a thing, like it was overwhelmingly neutral or like leaning negative. Yeah, I think you guys did hear from some people. We totally did, yeah. Yeah, I think what I was saying is just from an emotion, like the questions like the drawback for the board as board members, they con those stories and like emotionally also how you understand it and feel it. I think one of the things that one of the drawbacks that we did play, finish that plot, that we asked the question of should we spend the money on the track rather than not necessarily open in like what should we spend the money on. But here's what we're imagining we could spend the money on. What are your thoughts? Because by asking me in an open ended way, like as a yes or no, I guess that's not open and closed way as a yes or no. We limited what the feedback was going to be that we got. We did ask that though, we thought exchange way earlier. Right, I mean when it was time to make a vote. We could be asking for a different, you know, we could be asking for them to report out on something different like here's what we anticipate you're going to need to make decisions on in the next few weeks based on our understanding of the process. Are going to travel, same travelers, so our same travelers stand up. Thank you. Come on over, it's the same process. Explain your conversation. I think this is one of the hardest roles. And remember the drawbacks is just a conversation. It's nobody's point of fingers at anybody, right? Just conversations to get information out and more information to be honest. This is my friend Barry Shimmer once again. So you have your question starter, feedback is just data, it's just information. All right. So Jill or Zach, go ahead and start sharing. So first we really wanted to be clear that a drawback doesn't mean it was the wrong thing to do. Like we do feel like this was a successful, yeah, but there were definitely a pretty massive time in intensity commitment to that. Yes. That it was coming out of time where we had a lot of pretty insane competing priorities. It was at the height of COVID and planning school years and coming off multiple months of remote learning. And it came at a time when it was real like we can't deal with these two crises at the same time. And that's something like this is sort of a symptom of a larger problem. So it might require to be a response, but then the board's reaction to that or their response to that is a much bigger challenge. It was really challenging to genuinely hear from the voices that needed to actually be heard from. At the time the board didn't have student members and had really wasn't a very diverse board. So it really that's a lack of sort of immediate first person experience. There was definitely an emotional toll on those who provided their testimony. And so a board member sort of taking on an owning and truly listening to that process that there was working under that was an emotional expense on all sides. But because it was so politically charged it might have influenced who came and who did not come because it was sort of very heated. And then in light of that, the voices that were heard from were not heard from might have been impacted by the political nature of that issue. Yeah. So what role did the board play in those? I mean, again, we created the system as a process of the space to have these conversations and we sat and listened and were present and headed the priority of each board meeting. So again, kind of drawback is a little weird because we were also the jack of life. It was when the way community and clutter and community comes in. So we also bring that perspective. I'm just wondering like how like what's like what's our realistic role and our best role in terms of a process like this versus the way I think some of us would ideally like to make decisions, which is like we get it at the beginning and kind of the way we do with, you know, something where it's going to be more of a full-time job where we're like really on top of the details and seeing the bigger picture rather than seeing these like kind of snippets and seeing the checks with the broader kind of community consensus and direction that I think we have. Can you repeat your question? I think my question is how do we like within the the drawbacks, which I think all makes sense, like like what's kind of the board role and how can the like does a role invite these drawbacks or how could the role of the change to prevent some of these drawbacks? Yeah or like, you know, would the role change to be like more proactive in terms of getting like deeper into these conversations or are we okay kind of being a check and also being a balance in terms of you know what the community does come with big ass or if you go to the community and hear something that doesn't seem to juggle. Well, I think one of the complicating factors here is that voting on budget matters does fall directly within our role and so it is actually our decision to make whereas there are other times where it's actually more the administrator's decision to make on lots of other things. And so maybe what that maybe to answer your question, one way to categorize when we would need to have more of a role to play in the process are those moments where we are the ones making the decision and not I don't mean the role to play in the process like we crunch all the numbers serially but that we I do think there was more we could have done leading up to it to coalesce the feedback that we had been getting over along the way and understand how we were going to use that feedback and also coalesce the information that we had been getting at sort of disparate points from the administration about you're probably usually around Essar and and put all that together as you were saying with this is what this is what's coming up for the administration and this is what's coming up from the community and actually be able to do that balance to help have us make the decision because I know that we heard a lot from the community about lots of different things when we were asking other questions that were unrelated to the track and we could have probably used that information but I didn't feel like the way the process played out I had enough like I didn't have that all organized I wasn't like able to apply all of that feedback that we had been getting and I also know we've gotten a lot of information from the administration over the year on thoughts they were having about how to spend this incredible influx of money and I felt a little bit more in kind of command of that information because it felt a little bit more at my fingertips and so I remember being like oh okay I can look back at that great spreadsheet that Libby and Grant put together that I was like two more minutes here the sources of funding and here's what we could spend it on and being like oh okay I can kind of put those dots together but I felt less in command of all of the feedback we had been receiving around from the community over the course of the year around spending. Do you see an opportunity for more work at the community level to support that kind of you know that that kind of work of like co-electing this committee this is our this falls kind of within our focus area we're going to do like the ground work of coalescing all that info and making sure we get it to the board prior to like a decision point. I think that's a good and we're not supposed to talk about solutions but I think that's a good thought for how it could go differently where the committee could say here's everything that we've been but we're going to do a little bit of that ground work to compile and almost like say here's the here's our best information to help us make this decision one more minute and now then as individual board members we can take that in and maybe probably ask more questions so anyway but I don't know I don't know where we but I think just to just to get back to your question you know what role should we have played I think maybe my opinion is that I think we should have played a larger role in being able to understand all of the information that we had because it was our decision to make rather than us just kind of like double checking what the administration was doing since it's a budget decision more people maybe I don't know but like so someone okay finish up that thoughts they could just keep putting in a lot of and there's two people here but there's I do think the vision work when we get it to where we want it to be it's going to make all right travelers say thank you very much good to hear travel back well I mean three minutes to report back to your original group opportunities thank you we have thank you I have feedback fits into different what we have things to do people all right three minutes are now don't show me what you said there is you sure I'll be a personal shopper yeah or you stitch fits with another one they do like I got I think I got this dress from we're talking fashion apps for here that's my hand right now this is my hand right now yeah you should give me a hand wait school board flirting swap for July optional so our travelers pushed us a bit on how does how do we what role would we play in creating some of these issues like could we receive public comment in a way that might change the hot button although I was actually you know to you know there are other outside factors like community pressure and peer pressure and parental pressure you know people don't always want to step out in a small community like this they feel like they're going to be in the minority they rather just sort of stay silent on weight and see you know especially it's like facebook and front porch forum and all these ways people can kind of try to squash an opinion that's not the same as theirs so what can the board do and do that job and like honestly like I think if we were having this conversation now after what happened to Texas it might be a slightly it might be a slightly wrong conversation I mean I think we'd like end up with the same place but I think we'd be here anymore I think our role too hard events do sorry I guess what it makes me think about is the value of school board members being really visible in their community in our communities and really putting ourselves out there you know so that people kind of build a an understanding of who we are you know and really perceive this as people that are here to listen to a mix and a diversity of a variety of different opinions you know even though they might not come up and talk to you at the farmers market if they see that like on the weekly you're have you know a table there and that you are genuinely interested in the thing that I started on this does the does the community value athletics to this level I don't know you know and it's kind of like this question mark for me so I love that there's the vision work that can help me understand the values of the community a little bit better but well and one thing that I realized in hindsight because I think Rhett you brought it up and you're referencing those different feedback sections that we've had all the virtualized years I've now realized you know a month and a half too late that that it was going to be back that we didn't bring it to the process again I think because we were posing the question as should we spend this money on the track gets you know and then therefore we got a huge amount of community input in that moment in favor of the track and it was hard to balance that with the needs that were coming through for a special ed and you know anyway okay here is our last question that and don't worry we're not leaving it after this we're going to process as a whole group afterwards but um the last question is what assumptions were made before during and after this process so what assumptions did you make as a board individually that kind of thing before during and after this process do you have 10 minutes to talk about that go well probably certainly that this was precisely what the community wanted or the whole of the 3d wanted I think as I came in after this but I think I had just a general assumption that the school felt safer to the students in the community you know like this decision had been made and people felt you know appeased and heard and people felt safer in the schools based on the fact that there was no longer an SRO based on my very limited kind of understanding of what happened yeah and there might also be an assumption that some people feel less safe I think that could be added I mean yeah and I put words in your mouth you already said it so I'm just gonna flag it here that there was an assumption that that this community conversation was only based on George Floyd and and so all those things like the before the context that you heard but not necessarily has impacted communities there was another context that happened interaction with the police that which is what spark this work so like I just thought it wasn't just your foot it was the fact that there was an interaction with the yeah I I think I think it was yeah I think it was an assumption it was like yes so there's two I would not necessarily say that I would say that George Floyd I think I think there were two things that are one I think Matt Isaac left and the new SRO came in and made some mistakes and it drew attention to the fact we had this position that frankly was working before before we had a good because we had a good person doing well so it wasn't the and then I think there was a subject that George Floyd added to being loudly how the megaphone asked for yeah that it was amplified by George Floyd I think there was an assumption that all students and I was like check you saw a lot of the boxes that are that I had been hearing about in all of those discussions so it was sort of like that my assumption is where I actually I actually now we have this extra money I think I think honestly I didn't work in much thought to the SRO I think there are some people before who might not even know there was an SRO until there was the incident with a new person and so I don't know if there was so that's a maybe this is something like that I think we're working fine and I'm up that the board an assumption was that like I actually had the assumption that we did not have an armed officer on campus like that to me was news well I was still under the I'm thinking that I've been like dare when we were where I was like there was a dare officer because the drug alcohol right whatever they already stood for right that it was an unarmed police officer I could like talk to kids about drugs right that was my assumption I mean even like the high school I went to like yeah I've been visiting a while but like now I know they have like an armed person at the door and metal detectors and I just assumed that we did not have a presence like that in our school I was like yeah just I was at Chicago um right rs or smoke cigarettes with the kids out back and that was relationships in the 1990s yeah and you know and I I saw you know we had you know the fact that students could could walk out and go to lunch and not get chased down by someone and come back I really my assumption was we didn't have that we have a pretty open and free campus struggle that's what you assume so I will admit the assumption I had during the process that was that everyone had already made up their minds myself included that was the wrong assumption but it was definitely an assumption five minutes make sure you try to hit every every aspect before during and after because that was the basis of the start of my gosh but because that was what oh I think another assumption might be great if we did that moving on right so yeah I'll look here he's down there's something like that that like we did it we've done right so just to get another assumption that I actually yeah yeah I was saying that something it's not right well I had an assumption that it's different from our decision which was that we're going to fill all those recommendations that have been made in it this is a really hard question for me to answer on the assumptions before because I'm a hard time thinking about and before the whole process started as in April of 2021 I definitely wasn't I don't think I had any assumptions I just wasn't even wasn't on my radar and then I would say even before that March meeting where we got the feasibility the track feasibility study presented to us I'm trying to think back to prior to that I'm like what was I assuming about our need to make a different like a decision on the track I don't really feel like I had any because again it just wasn't it wasn't on the radar on my radar now in hindsight I would have assumed that we would have more warning before a big uh $1.5 million decision was to be made yeah so I don't know what that what I would be assuming but just that it would be on that agenda graph of here's what's happening on future agendas like right 1.5 million vote something like that um and and I still don't really know like when it was decided like right to be voting on this meeting this this meeting day because it seems like they decided sort of maybe Jim and Libby together decided that week because the agenda was changed yeah so I guess my assumption is like I I just assumed sort of like that Jim will be guiding alerting the Lord when huge decisions are coming up further in advance yeah I certainly grew with your assumption about like the issues that we heard in listening sessions or through surveys are being addressed in other ways like we have the assumption that I don't know like net zero is going to be potentially addressed a few years down the line that's I'd say that's an assumption but I'm sure it's the same predation that assumption that like even now like moving forward I have that same assumption that it is on our radar like net zero now is on our radar and that my assumption is that we will start you know and that we already are doing work to sort of tackle that and move towards that and create policy around it and pay attention to it in future budgets I have another one that is bias during the process I made the assumption that those who have something to say about this will come forward and say it whether it's in favor or right yeah I yeah I also assume sorry let them tell me sorry that those who two were going to have something to say either in favor or against will come forward and say it I have a lot of faith and trust in our admin team so like I make a lot of assumptions that they have their finger on the pulse they know what's best for the district like that they're listening to the community that they're receiving feedback um you know Andrew La Rosa I have a lot of faith in him I make a lot of assumptions that he's like you know making the best priorities for the schools in how we spend our money and when he makes presentations I'm you know having a lot of faith and trust in those presentations so I do have a level of like it's almost like it creates a little bit of complacency the same with budget a little bit yeah trust in so much trust in grant and budget where money comes from and the process that they have to like set that budget you know with internally so I just have a lot of faith in that so I just sort of like relax into it maybe a little too okay travelers ready to go travelers go ahead travel to your fabulous destination so I don't travel to your own island I just had a hard time with this it's hard to think back on what you're talking about you know currently that's over taking but we everything collectively pretty much the you with all of these even if we weren't the person to say that we assume that this is this the track was what the community wanted or that both assumed that money can solve some of those other systemic issues um that we had been hearing about over the course of different feedback sessions so it's um and kind of coinciding with that one that many of those larger issues were already thought that they're being addressed based on information we had from the budget process so the an example of that would be other positions that the administration was adding into the budget to handle um like literacy intervention for example um yeah and the assumption we had before the process started was that the board would have that notice prior to a big budget like this during that those who have input to give whether it's in favor of or in opposition to will just come forward they'll just on their you know decide on their own if the board needs to hear from me and we have an assumption kind of all throughout all of this before during and after that the administration has a good grasp on what the community needs once I think I would add one other thing I heard it would add to that is like not just a grasp on what the community needs once but that they're the way Emma put it was like we just have a lot of faith that they are doing that due diligence with within the numbers not just what the community wants but then also like can this actually happen they've done the work to like sort of subconscious it doesn't matter and so so it's really eye-opening to see other people's assumptions why do you assume that you know I would add like that um I assume yeah yeah people um how do we do great no I know that I'm trying to come up with a meaningful question to keep going I guess I'm thinking like to any of these you have this list before you do any of them feel particularly like a hot or like dangerous or like hmm like you know this type of assumption is something that we really need to keep in mind you know as moving forward our next series of decisions an assumption that concerns me is that there are going to be the right people to fill the decisions that we identify that we need I'm not sure if they exist I'm not sure if there are enough people becoming teachers I'm not sure if there are enough educational educators I'm not sure if there are enough people willing to work in the schools to be at the level of ratios and you know class sizes that were what was normal 10 years ago I don't know if that is going to be the case going forward I don't know if major reevaluating how things go is going to be necessary because there's not enough people to fill positions no matter how many agree that's what kind of one of the things that we're running into and there's positions posted for years I feel like one applicant yeah these are I think the things that cause sleepless nights for people like maybe I think about this stuff and I'm like are you the brink of public education collapse anyway that's a whole other radical but yeah I guess I just think about like what is the learning that can come out of these assumptions and the act of making these assumptions and what gaps do they create like did you think about like gaps that might have been the result of any of these particular assumptions things that we missed like the creation of certain blind spots that are then you know preempt us from doing like our best work or our most inclusive work and equitable work well for me it's the ones with those with input will come forward I think it does create a really big gap um and yeah I think about that that's one so that's one I would carry forward as we start to think about social as a way of like we should check that like so what on a regular basis you know like at all of them like emotional toll briefly it's like well isn't there also there's something we make too that does that come forward from the community consensus so I almost always assume that a process is needed or those who disagree and what were some of the most interesting things that came up in the decision in the in the discussion around assumptions for you maybe that there are there were competing assumptions some people assumed that everything was fine and that we didn't need to change and I was I don't think I was like that but that was more like where I started was like I needed to be convinced apparently but I was very thoroughly convinced of a better person for it but like I had to go through this process to absolutely to get there um and that I am humbled now to know that there were a lot of students who didn't you'll see because of that I didn't know that yeah I think that there can be competing assumptions about each other or about the process yeah like Eric said you know somebody's like oh are we just doing this for the sake of like to show everyone how much we care but we're not actually listening and I think this we actually listen to them learn I think there's also the assumption that we know everything that happens in this school and stories like this for example it's not easy for this BIPOC student to just like share freely with every teacher that they might have one teacher that they feel safe with it so I think that you know like the assumptions that if we don't we don't hear from people then all is good right right so oh that's a good one sort of like no news is good news right yeah yeah and also everyone's gone to school in some capacity so we all think we're experts right like everyone literally can talk about their experience that we that's just kind of being on a school board to be so everyone's like well this is what happened when I was a student this is how my experience was and so people already start with their preconceived assumptions of what school looks like or what their experience was except so the important things like the connection we have with the actual students and the impact that people now have so much our own experience so like being able to have that a lot like for me a lot comes from my own experience but when I'm entirely in Vermont but it's my connection to the most like the students that problem you know inform the way my experience can influence that too right like I remember um like two minutes I'll say two years ago and inverse to the question you asked RJ I lived this 20 years ago like the same exact thing in Syracac who was the other RJ advisor or what type um asked if time had a rule and I was like we all across different states like that's white schools and it was just like the same excel experience it was a very illuminating cycle do we make a note about the assuming no news is good news I don't know that's just and that might not have been the case with this particular process because we were getting feedback to kind of that okay this is what we're going to try although Jim as chair said before that right right right gotcha today conversation and I think the committee was unable to kind of provide some guidance and things like to them which made their presentation better for the board as a whole you know so um you know and I would welcome that happening so that like you know that the work happening on the committee level is doing that homework for the broader board so that's every individual that I remember doesn't feel like I have to know everything about this I have to do my homework on every single I mean it's a lot right so one more minute oh wait sounds like in here I wish we backed your eyes like I'm taking advantage of why I have it one thing I know about this board is that you do love to talk to you I say with all the love of my heart all right so three minutes three minutes just to go over what you just talked about and then we're going to change gears just slightly um well Kristen posed a very good question to us which is like how did these assumptions maybe create gaps for us in the process and one that I admitted to was that the assumption that those with input will be forward I think left a lot of gaps in what we were hearing and how we were using feedback or what feedback we were using and then we also talked about how really the assumption that our admin team has a good grasp and is the you know we have faith in their ability to deliver is doesn't necessarily create a gap exactly but that we could do more to use that resource as a board when it comes to making important decisions and that might look like so how did you how did you come to that how did you come to this to these options or how did you like that that's us asking Libby or um Andrew or anyone so why was this why did this originally come up and how did you get to where you are with what you brought to us today or something like that so experience there's assumptions we think about other people having the same one or biases we bring that the same that everybody has the same perspective okay everyone's expert this is what we're going to do now we're going to synthesize kind of these conversations so we're thinking about when the board needs to make very big decisions and the processes that go on with that right so we just dug in deep into processes that this board has gone through most of the resources this board has gone through we're going to synthesize that so what i want you to do for the next five minutes is to write independently take notes independently from your thoughts around what do we really want to keep true to or try to recognizing that not every process is the same and that every process can be the exact same and then there's some gray areas here what were the things that you just talked about before you feel are things that you want this board to really hold true to when the next big process comes up for the board so we're going to do individual think time then we're going to do some partner talk and then we're going to do whole community talk okay so five minutes of individual think time so i've been taking the time to actually get data and testing for that like and then um sort of establishing goals of that so i think it would have things coming up given that's why do i have to learn it maybe that's just more better attended to me as an individual board member taking responsibility for getting answers so they're not using a doubt for me in terms to try to make you understand it right um these details okay let's come back together if you said that i'd like to show us cool try to engage more with our questions okay so uh i'm uh chart paper up here i'm gonna have my back to somebody so i apologize um and i have lost my second grade teacher handwriting so um bear with me on that but what are the main things the board would like to encourage when offered the opportunity to develop a decision making process in the future so again this is kind of popcorn if no one's talking it's your turn to talk i we have i have about 10 to 20 minutes set out for this depending on how long the conversation goes so if it starts to slow down we will put a pen in it but um we do have some time so you just had some independent time and you had some partnership time so what kind of things did you talk about that we want to hold true to keeping in mind also the processes and decision making and such things in schools and school works sometimes right um sorry grade did you say yeah yeah meaning it's not the same you can't have the same process every single time it's not gonna yeah yep um what kind of things to talk about i mean i was a chair counselor so they say gee i landed um you know transparency and community involvement and processes that promote both um also receiving i think the appropriate level of information so we're gonna see where the district's at how it got there and where it's going uh constantly challenging our assumptions hold on june what was the third one constantly challenging all of that uh community input involvement um transparency uh who's about the getting the information yeah what did you say though you said it would be appropriate about information so we can kind of see at a high level where the district is why it's there where it's heading um challenge assumptions okay i'm gonna stop you something that i'm kind of connecting with the community involvement when we're consulting the community with these decisions making sure that we're doing so in like a thorough and and in diverse ways i would say so keep talking what do you mean by that so like making sure that when we're reaching out to the community we're getting a lot of feedback on big decisions particularly but also that we're giving many different outlets for the community to provide their feedback so we get that diversity of voices and we also get probably much more voices than we would from this one source my my mind's pretty specific but the um i think it uh can be scoped out but to apply to a learning from both processes which is adjusting agendas when necessary to make the space to be able to have the discussion or research or whatever in order to do um be able to make a good decision another one that feels like really important to hold true to is to center the student perspective when making a decision Zach and i talked about um like deep community level work and that uh or sorry committee level work and that um committees are collaborating more with administration and kind of doing you know the deeper homework on specific topics and then sharing back to the board at large such that you know every single individual board member is in researching each topic you know until midnight the night before but that the committees are really doing that deep level work and sharing back with the board at large and sort of like in that same vein of like working with communities um we talked about four more like contentious issues or like politically like specifically like this or getting that community engagement and involvement whether that's through like committees or like surveys in terms of like like getting perspective unique perspective and input in a way that's not on like public comment and public comment would be one right yeah but not the only of the kind of community groups you know when i'm on combos service yeah that's the reason so um context for the issue so um and i think i mean this a little differently than maybe some of the pieces above but what role if any does the board actually play what decision does the board actually have to make where does it fit in our priorities or our timeline or spending so these two things are two really good examples of like the board had a different role in the track versus the SRO conversation um you know is our role to write making recommendations so the administration is our role to provide the space for the communities our role to make a tough decision like what's what our role is and is not so i have problems i can only see far without glasses yeah we gotta make just some big room there's no room that you have to stay in the right spot probably can't read it anyway so i would add uh following through follow through yeah never like what's next and what is our role and how do we follow that um i i've there have been a lot of situations where people have written questions regarding the materials ahead of the meeting because i think there's always stuff that we don't understand and it would be nice if we found ways to kind of get a little bit more of an understanding ahead of time so that the board meeting can be more about the how how do we come to this why are these the why are these options instead of i don't know how to explain that but um a lot of conversation is just me trying to understand what i'm looking at and if i could figure out how to understand it a little better outside of the board meeting there could be more conversation about how why this is in front of us how we got here and why these options are the most appropriate options based on what we know right now so anybody want to talk back to that well the thought that came up for me as you were talking about was like i'm not sure we have to put the pressure on ourselves to make sure we're making the decision in any board meeting like to me the lesson there is let's just make sure there's enough time in the process for us to fully understand and then it doesn't have to be like i have to understand it before 6 30 p.m. on a Wednesday so maybe i can take the time during the board meeting to understand it and and then ask if there's a decision to be made can we make it another time and not have to put the pressure on ourselves to do it because i i think there is an open media loss too we can have like questions and answers via email without that are going to impact yeah i don't know how to do it or that's one of the things i know people have asked questions ahead of time and that is informed the way that presentation has come out maybe that's kind of what i'm talking about is is is trying to hold ourselves accountable to sort of make sure of that yeah you know we can't do it as a board you can you can get more information from i mean like for instance you could ask clarifying questions of you know grant or now christina about the budget like boy i really don't understand these numbers and send yeah send them you know five or six questions about what does this mean uh that's not involved with the whole board but then it comes in again and you're willing to have one on one conversations with other board members too but it's just about not trying to use those conversations to develop consensus prior to a board meeting so it's like if you just are trying to ask questions or gain perspective but it's not about like hey we're going tonight will you vote with me right i think the reason why i said everybody want to talk back to that because when you ask me questions before presentations that's incredibly helpful yeah right yeah i don't answer you right away because i'll answer it in the board meeting and if i don't i expect ask me again right so getting those questions beforehand and the other thing i'd say too is if you all who have a much stronger idea of what's happening because you're with me two times a month right if not more during the month don't understand where we're going or don't understand something probably people with beauty don't either right and so so that's always good to have those conversations so i heard two things ask questions of edmund beforehand or maybe other board members as well um and then the second thing i heard too that mea added on was don't feel the pressure to vote if you're not you know like you can always push back a vote right and you can always vote something down because you know like you can do all those things are low in your power so so um push back a vote if you need more time and just that relates to to mea's you know flexible agenda it's just being flexible to be like you know what we need more time on this um requesting and using relevant data and decision making in takeoff community public comment like you know when people come to share their heart stories to have the weight that we uphold their stories and say we hear you now we're gonna move on i don't know like that what that it's like a little bit better communication i guess are you talking about specifically during board meetings yeah are there other times yeah the process like we're gonna hear from impacted communities about an issue i see that we don't kind of just brush through what that we what's the warrant and acknowledgement acknowledging thank you and when we is this is like what we're holding on to as positives from these processes that we can like move forward to other processes is there another step here that's like what can what are we gonna actively work to improve i think one of the things that i've heard members of this board say please correct me if i'm wrong is kind of like a word handbook almost and i think that this is an excellent thing what i would take it up so i since i can read my chicken scratch and not many people they have that that my husband hates my grocery list will put that way i think um yeah i could type it up as like part of the potential board handbook that could be made that we've talked about and yeah people talked about that's where i see this going and so when i think also when we have conversations like this and big decisions come up so for instance right when school gets started the board is going to want to get into community discussions around budget right typically what happens is in november it's like an oh we got to get community input around the budget because the administration is presenting it the first board meeting in december right so um it might be that you want to be thinking about you know you might want to say hey liby on you know october first board meeting or september whatever the second board meeting is september can we have the agenda time represents designing the process for the board meeting we just had this conversation that to move forward right does that make sense yeah i guess my question is like can we discuss right here on this piece of paper things that we really need to improve and not holding up things that we already do well okay so yeah i want i yeah i just want better organization around big decisions like so identifying a timeline in advance um so that we know like here the big not exactly what you said about the budget it's a good example it's sort of like the budget decision and i think we did a fairly good job of that this year but we can always improve it's sort of like here's the timeline of this decision just so that everybody on the board understands when you know yeah and i can take ownership of that right because i might have my head but not i'm sure it so that we can build in the time to do all of this stuff because community input especially thorough and diverse community input takes time and it's like slow democracy so um knowing in advance or and you and we're i jim and liby have improved on that with the um the sort of future agenda spreadsheet that you've created so we can always have that we just never shared it with that they shared transparency yeah so like yeah it's really helpful for all of us to see like what's going to be coming up on future agendas so because you two might know like this big decisions being made in november you know but we may not have that same timeline right right the same and i agree and i'm wondering if that future agenda is is is enough or if there's if it's worthwhile to have five minutes at the close of every board meeting to say i'll be coming yeah something like that some up and coming these are these are some these are some questions that we're going to have to be tackling so that was sort of to merit's point which was like you know not a report out but just sort of like a highlight reel of the future agendas because that allows for a lot more effective community conversations when you're sort of like these are some of the things that are off what do you think i don't know it's a pretty good list up here and we don't have stuff because we're at the end of a chart paper i have more continue on the whole wall isn't i know exactly this was my one executive decision that i made everybody good with this all right i think so one is balancing the priorities in a way that is like so like a timeline like there are while really maintaining that community so there are concerns within the community and that we can say okay we need to balance these priorities for the next six months and this is how we're gonna do it just like have like really intentional thought process around that more retreats okay it is 1007 right now why don't you all go i believe it's beautiful outside although we're in the cave right now so why don't you all go and take a little walk or break until 1025 okay 1025 so um what we're gonna do next is we're gonna shift gears completely from process to prioritizing priorities priorities priorities i guess we're gonna do some brainstorming around this okay so the first step in this process so how we're gonna do it again is individual reflection partnership conversation bigger partnerships conversation and that whole group conversation okay to make sure that all voices are in the room um so what we're gonna do first is for the next five minutes or so as they see you scribbling curiously during those five minutes what i want you to do is really take some individual reflection time to think about just four ideas no more than four ideas that the board if you were king or queen of the world that you would prioritize for the board for the 2022 2023 year that could be extended you know it's not just for one year it could be thought of as a multi-year thing but um so if you were in charge of prioritizing the work of the board you should take five minutes to write down what your top four would be for everybody clear and you can you have five minutes so you can flush those out as much as five minutes allows okay we're gonna do a little white field brainstorming okay so jim i'm gonna have you move your chair into the circle let me know america we just have you turn your chair okay so you're on the outside of the circle all right jill comes sit right here a mother comes sit right here please zack comes sit over here please christine you can sit right there all right come on over here say jim i'm turning the counter over here to jill i'ma come over here and me i want jim move your chair to be jim's partner over here okay yes me is going to be here you guys can slide a little bit that way just so me all right so this is wagon wheel burning storming we're setting up a clausie wagon wheel at the moment you're looking at your partner exactly okay this is how this is going to go the internal chair is going to go first okay so my friends in the middle zack you're in the middle there and your job is to tell about one priority you have just one don't go into others because you're going to share others with other people okay the internal chair person has four minutes to share they're just one that's a long time to talk so you have to really push yourself which is why save you if i will okay i gave you some possible questions to use if you need them to ask your partner more questions these are this is not an nbl list by any means but it's just a way to get people thinking um if you need help with that kind of thing okay um so four minutes at the end of four minutes i'm going to stop you and like i said before i know this board loves to talk right i'm going to stop you and then the outside chair is going to share their idea could be the same might be different right and the inside chair is going to ask questions then we're going to move chair okay and you're going to share another idea so it's four minutes to share and have questions yes okay yes everybody ready to go everybody clear what you're going to do hands up the middle chairs if you know which one you're going to share do you know which one you're going to share okay ready pick up four minutes okay um to have access to determine disparities or go about determining disparities. What is the effort versus impact ratio? What would be a goal for your efforts versus impact ratio? What would you expect to be yielded that will come to be based on the data you put in? Would it be significant and significant numbers or is it significant the improvement of the closing of the gap? I guess that's how we evaluate success. I see success as we put the amount of resources we're going to have for the kids that are affected now. I think there are specific levels. I think there are specific levels. I would say the administration should have a growth in the score. I think they should have a growth in the score. I think you're on for five months. The question about the administration, I'm going to show the growth by the insurance, the resources that are with you, I would say the evidence will be based on the insurance, the insurance will be based on the insurance, the insurance will be based on the insurance, the resources that are with you, Where are we with respect to this? And do we not share that when we're engaging in all of this? Is this goal the role of the board? There's no right and there should not be to share that. Oh, yes. We're hearing more and more. That we're just in front and in the back end. That was like a yes or no question. In what way is the role of the board? It's like one big artist whose job is to ensure that I do that policy. I do it at a low. I don't need to say it myself. It's pretty much done dictates. It's okay if you haven't finished that conversation because we're going to have more of it, right? Outside circle, share your one idea. Inside circle, if you're asking questions, your four minutes start now. Okay. I have. I'm planning to retire. I don't know what to say, but I see this as a precipice. Just even in the last two hours. So, yeah, I want to do what we can do at a more level. I think we also need to stop numbers, but I never see staff members that represent the broad spectrum of perspectives. And just, you know, I think that's strong. Experience as being experienced as a parent. I think it's the fact that our kids have an impact, you know, whether we're providing funding for the administration to improve in non-durch ways or from official sources, you know, and that we're putting an emphasis on improving what we feel from BIOC communities. And then also just sort of, you know, that follow-up case that we're supporting and that we're supporting and kind of building in these educators trying to kind of collaborate. And that we're really looking at, we're supporting and looking at the data, right? That supports, like, you know, why do teachers buy jobs? I was actually emailing recently that teachers oftentimes don't leave jobs because of pay. They leave jobs because of the environment because they don't feel like they can meaningful collaborate with their colleagues. They don't feel aligned with their colleagues and they don't feel like theirs a clear touch. Why don't we share it with your right? And type-first the same plan. I'm going to figure that out. The wheels on our chairs. We have a room for you. All right. The wheels on our chairs. All right. It's time. The outside person. How are you? First with a different priority that you listed. So not the same. Think of it as, the different priority that you listed Okay. A different way. So, I'm sorry. I have made establishing consistent community engagement and collaboration practices to support informed decisions, discussion and decision-making, inclusive of reporting back global understanding of service. So that's a goal I would like for us to set is to get that foundation in place. How do you imagine the process? I think we would, I think we should just get started. You know, we've gotten, we've had started it and it sort of like fits and starts and I think it'll take us getting like establishing what the schedule is or something like that. I think it's getting very, we're pretty clear on who we should be, who we ought to be talking to. Don't in a consistent way come back. So, have that be like a real conversation. So, it's like schedule, time commitment. And making sure that we're also not asking for more. And I haven't been able to fully thought through what does that mean for what value data people outside of the board are experiencing. But I think there's some piece of that we have to think that through. Maybe not just before we get started, but certainly while we're doing it. I think there needs to be some checkpoints along the way to say, how are we doing this? And how sustainable does it feel? What are the adjustments we're doing? I think those are all pieces of the process. And it would be like a very collaborative committee. Yeah. Oh, and another piece of the process is we have to figure out what do we do with the information as we have it? And how do we make it useful? So that it's not just like in random places that we have to almost like take initiative on our own as individuals and we'll find it. So what's the, so just kind of being, I'll call it a database, but what's holding all of this so that we can understand and go to it on a fairly regulatory basis. So I think that, what does school boards do with data? Just like in rural places. These are the opportunities. I feel like it would impact, and it's going to impact more numbers and that it would be a lot of our time. It would impact our, ultimately, once we get to the point of doing it well, it will result in us making in my community some of our students and our teachers and our staff some like baseline nothing, you know. Hopefully in good ways. Opportunity for a retreat. Yeah. Yeah. Is it their role of the board, do you think? Yes. And how would them understand what it means to get to know any of what evidence would be significant? I don't think it's up to the administration to show the evidence of it or show the growth, but it's a good question about what evidence I, yeah, I feel amorphous to me right now. Like I think that I would need to think a little bit more to figure out like, well, then what? What? Okay. How do we know we're doing it? Inside person, share your next priority and new priority inside person. I apologize. You're an insider. Oh, that's different. I think that realistically the way in which this plan intersects with one realistically look at the way this plan and all of the rest of it so the goal is to dig into it. Yeah. Okay. So that we can ultimately result in it. Yes. Got it. Okay. So what's the effort versus impact ratio? Yeah. How much? I think my interpretation of that question is like how much effort do we need to put into to get the impact that we're doing? Okay. Thank you. I think the media has come up. I think we need to look at our policies and current data that we have. Right. And it's very isolated. Versus the impact ratio, like versus the results. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Which would be huge. Yeah. Big difference from where we are right now. Yeah. That's right. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yep. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yup. Yup. What's the role in the board, in this course? I think, um, it is our role because we need to. So our role is at the policy level, budget and budget resource allocation and at the policy level what we would be asking is the policies as they're written right now, do they still survive for creating the climate, the educational climate that we need and what kind of process do you imagine the process would be to publish these policies? You know, I would say that the policy would meet all the other policies that we have. The equity would meet all the other policies that we have. So we have the equity policies, just like looking at the lines up with our budget. We have the budget for the land, the budget for the land and the budget for the land. And we have the budget for the land. Outside chairs, move one to your right. Awesome. Yeah. So a new priority you're going to discuss is that you have not discussed yet. Thank you for sitting here. I'm going to take two thousand steps. Wait a minute. Longer than my name. Oh yeah. Inside chair, two chairs first. All right. Inside chair. Inside chair. You weren't even a traveler. You weren't even a traveler. I know. I know. Okay. How are you? You're going first. I go first. Okay. One more. I think two more. Two priorities. I think, oh I just gave my best one. So establishing consistency, long range for the girls. Yeah. So that's almost like just establishing a process in general. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, that makes sense. That way it's less tied to one person in their process and it's just more procedural. Or if you like, you know, with the lottery and you're being certain to come in as a committee, a process committee, or as a board of general? Yeah, I think it's kind of like holistically almost like there's a process in which committees develop. Like this is, here's my layer, here are the things that we can do. There's a democratic process involved in it, regardless of who you lead. Right? Right? I think that they have to listen, but it also has to do with actual planning. So how do we sort of think that we're going to need some power to be able to do the right thing to do? And the process that is emerging. So like, under so many others, or as we have thought about in a way that what I've heard is to figure out a way to do more of what you've got to know and what's really good. Correct. They're almost opposite, but we still need to correct. Correct. Yeah, a lot of knowing that. So I wonder would that be a process change for an annual chance from the minutes? And not so, not to be punitive, but just to make people nervous. This is supposed to happen here. How can we help? What blocks you? How do we adjust going forward? Yeah, and for example, it could be a lot of time. So we say we're going to do it, but then got that. And then we're going to see what the outcome is. So like also sometimes it can be a lot of planning. I've been one of the, oh, I'm staying out. I've worked out what it is. Yeah. Yeah, I think. I think like if you keep this as a deal. Okay. Here. Here's like some of the data. We're going to look at to see our progress. And that it is like. All right. Yeah. Yeah. I think it's just through. Yeah, that's it. Yeah. You speak. People doing that. I feel like. But I don't see. Keep it a focus on that. What does that make it compulsory? The. Trying to see. That we receive that. Transformalize it a little bit to extend the expectation. One private. So. Three years. You know what? You know what? Yeah, I think so. It's not. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Sponsor. Sponsor. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's a little bit more because it's in the back. Because that's one of the things I'm interested in. What's in it for me? Sorry, what am I getting from this? Well, it's got to be an educated community. It can be smart. It also seems like that. I mean, you know, schools already do that. But maybe it's the most important thing. So I'm very good at all. So, pushing each other away. Is it hard to do? Yeah, we're all at the same time. I think we have a small community. Imagine how it's taking action. That's when you really need the rubber to stay the same. We don't need to put pressure on ourselves. What is the effort? I feel like it's a great challenge. You said meet the moment. It's going to be a lot of work. At first, the impact might feel natural. There might be discrimination. I feel like we have to keep doing it. So I feel like it's going to snow more. But I feel like the impact. I personally feel like you can just speak to the wrong couple of people. It's still worth it because often sometimes it might be better because I don't really connect or get deep into the person. Whereas if it was a big room of people trying to talk to you, you have a little bit of time for each person. So I think it's a great effort. I mean, I feel like it's an effort. And some people might feel like it's an effort. I'm very surprised that you have that. It's like a schedule because of your personality. It's like a secret. And that policy is really great. It's culture. What? This is the role of the board, right? I'm sure we'll just go home. Honestly, yeah. With evidence, we'll be quite large. Okay. Outside group. Thank you very much. Thank you very much. Yes, thanks. Thank you very much. Thank you. Thank you, Zach. Thank you. So the outside group. You're the last priority that you guys are. You take a note to the last priority. I'm so sorry. I'm sorry. Yes. My last priority is... Transparency and quality input. And I was raving about you being the impetus for the listening section. And I feel like you pushing for that and making it come to fruition and sort of getting everybody on board and assigning people out to things and making spreadsheets. And I, even though it's still a work in progress, it's like just having those listening sections as part of the culture of the board has been a huge improvement on quality and quality and making that part of our best practices. So thank you for doing that. It's improved our work. We'll rate and lean. But I still feel like we have a lot of work to do on it. And we can take what you started and run with it and improve it and be more mindful of like making sure that those listening sessions inform the work that we're doing in a timely way. How do you imagine that process? Well, like if we know that we have a decision coming out, so if we're a little more mindful about organizing around our major decisions that are already made or making a calendar or looking at the future agendas, then creating listening sessions that are targeted towards those topics so that it's like, let's say it was, let's say we can reverse the clock and talk about the track. And we did a lot and we did listening sessions around Essar, but it just wasn't specifically like, do you think that if we have one and a half million dollars that we should spend it on a track? It just wasn't ever posed quite that way. And I feel like in the future, there was something like that to come up. I feel like it should be posed exactly that way. Like on this date, we are going to vote. You know, it's two months out. We have plenty of time. What are your thoughts on that? And to ask our variety of affinity spaces and listening sessions about that. I mean, the budget is a bit one. So like, usually on the budget, you can see some themes where you're like, okay, we're investing more heavily in this, you know, or we've actually cut this and how do you feel about that? And getting community feedback. Like one thing that, one thing that I, it's, it's like kind of a smaller example, but like, there's something that sort of just like happens unceremoniously was removing family consumer sciences at the middle of the school. And it's putting into its place sustainability. And I mean, we did have a group of students come and present to us with, with Don Taylor. So we did kind of know like, oh, there's the sustainability. Last person. I just feel like first and student, last priority. Community. All right. Thank you. It's good. Oh, I have your, it's your turn. You saved your last one for me. Yeah. I said, I put in your considerations. Basically. Yeah. Do you think the visioning work could help us with that? I think it's forever. And I think it should be like, Yeah. I just like something that clicked with me when you said it, the way that you said it about the lens. It's almost like at this retreat or whatever, we're going to choose a couple of lenses to be our like chosen lenses for the year or for the semester or something. And then it's like at the end of every conversation, we can make sure if we're having already to like go back and be like, okay, so what about the net zero lens? I would not have a DEI lens on this question. And that it would sort of live separately from like goals. Yeah. You know, like, it's like, the goal is to restore the practices or the goal is to curriculum policies, policy revision or whatever. It's like taking the time to like use that lens. So I think it could be interesting. And I sort of see the vision. That's why I asked that question. I sort of see the visioning work. I'm hoping to provide us with some lenses where it's like, you know, here's the values of the community. I'm assuming that DEI will be a part of that lens from the visioning community. I'm not positive that zero will be. But maybe. Yeah. Yeah. But at least to have it in consideration. That's what I know. I was just sitting there in the middle of school and I had this a little bit of a case in front of me. Yeah, we had students, we had these all the time. And she makes it important, that's what I mean. And the only thing is that we should always consider it. And something that we have to be more free. Yeah, that's kind of important. Like I have said then, but I do have the impact that it's going to hard for the future, right? Yeah. So we have that. And that they are demanded that as to like email us. OK. I would like to. Time out on that. That's for a second. Thank you very much. Thank you. Make sure to see if you like that part. All right, so you just heard from colleagues and you have your own. So perhaps your thinking has shifted a little bit. So there might be priorities that you put down originally that you're like, that's not fleshed out enough. Or that's a training. That's not a goal area, maybe. You know, you start to differentiate between those two of those ideas. So I'm going to give you five more minutes for individual reflection. You could have been like, man, I heard Jill say this and I agreed with her. So I'm going to that's one of my priorities now. Just where is your thinking change? And if you haven't changed anything, if you have the same four, then take the five minutes to flesh it out, like what might the process look like? Who would be involved in that? What would be the end goal for it? Flesh it out a little bit more. So you have five minutes. I'll tell you where we're going. Then we're going to get in groups of three up on our whiteboard up here. And just list all the priorities that we heard or that we still have. And then we're going to come together to start to kind of face those off because you can't do everything, right? So we want to narrow that down to like three, maybe four priorities. Okay, that's the kind of goal at the end of the session. Does that make sense of where we're going? Okay, so take five minutes. You can say where you are. You can go back to your seat. Either one works for me. Five minutes of reflection again on where you're going to be now. So we'll go with full priorities. Okay, so what we're going to do next, we're going to get in three groups of three because it's going to have the board. You're going to work up at the board and you're going to list all the ideas. None of these ideas should be fleshed out. The goal is to get as many of this quantity not quality right now. Okay, so you heard a lot of ideas. You're going to have a lot of ideas. So the goal would be quantity of ideas up on the board. And you can feel free to ask questions, particularly like what's the board's role in that? You know, to prioritize it that way? Or maybe is that something we can get evidence on or not like, or how would you imagine the process? But really don't get stuck going down a rabbit hole developing one of these priorities because that's not the group's responsibility. Does that make sense? Okay, so we're going to count off by threes. Derek, you're one. Two. Okay. One. Two. Jim, you're three. Three. Two. Three. One. You're one. All right, so one's over here on this board, this side of the board. Two's are in the middle. And three's down here. Company U. Okay, quantity, not quality. Necessarily. One's down there, two's are in the middle. We're spending all of their money. Oh, yeah, we're spending all of their money. I know. Yeah. Taking charge of the markers. Yes. Pretty. Oh, you have a good sense of it. I don't know if you're trying to figure out if you was building off your words. Yeah, but it's okay. No, it's not. It's okay. Is it over? Yeah. Yeah. We're going to go 10 minutes and we'll see where we're at. We're going to do nine more times, so that's good. Okay. Create a holistic process to look at the intersection of discipline, or interaction, or so. Of course so. We'll find the following through on, sorry, probably on discussions and concerns to be here from the beginning. Sorry. Are they intersection? Intersection. Yes. Well, thought of still. Great minds. Great minds. Great minds. That's true from the blog. Data. I'm going to flesh out that it's figuring out what information and data we need to be able to make the decisions and we're going to process for access to that data. Okay. So what we need to process to access. Sure. And then we engage and inform community more in our decision-making process. Is that different from what's next? Yeah, I guess it's engaged and informed. Yeah. Yeah. I wanted student outcomes to stay focused on. I mean, channeling our energy for students now. This is pretty long step further, but I don't see like that to that. I mean, like that's almost like an actual training. That's that is to that. Let's try something about mental health and basic needs, but I'm not sure that that's important. Yeah. I don't know. We just have it at a power point. I know it would be less likely at. I have an extremely broad goal, which was safety and wellness for schools, students and staff. So it's like very, very broad, but I feel like it encompasses everything from like school, like facilities, crisis plans to, you know, our using and bullying policy and how well it's being implemented. That's going to be a topic at the next slide. I just outed myself. What's that? There's going to be a public comment about it. Oh, really? No. It's a popular website. That's right. Yeah. On the student and kind of where she's at home. Yeah. There's a lot to just talk about how dyslexia and a liver-metal school is some pretty nasty, stubborn, hazing or harassing the family, but it'll come to that. Yeah. Yeah. I can tell the issues that have happened in my character. That's up here. We're not in any kind of positions like long range but we also agree for the board because what happens is that something needs to try and come along and we, it sparkles. Yeah. So it's different about time. Yeah. I mean, while we might really kind of like sort of watch and see if there's a story that we can talk about. We're not messed up and I've actually been more underprivileged or something like that. So that it can be kind of like, what needs money to do that? Who's left? We're involved in social security. I don't know if you hear the bell though. I'm like, gosh, I shouldn't be going somewhere and I'd be doing this. It's a little bit of a dollar set. It also, yeah, it makes me think about just like that kind of level of work. Right. Companies, you know, taking on like the areas of their purview and establishing your priorities and opportunities, like all of those areas. Like, which guys are obsessed with? Well, it's a robust kind of process. It's like a robot, you know. Yeah. I'm not sure if we're comfortable or not. I'm not bothered unless I'm handwriting. Well. And I would say you just think about it. Yeah. What an amateur handwriting analyst. Yeah. So if you would have put it there, it's like life hammer cards or something like that. Yeah. If you think about that, too, just in terms of like a wellness, you know. She's just like a nice, giant lesson that, like it's just a really real welcome and affirming to the opportunity to like to have a lot of opportunities to do. So this is, you know, I'm sure the bunch of people who use this, right, where they take jobs, like school, it's like this years ago, you know. So I mean, you can pay it, but it's not very affordable. Right. However they are. Those conditions might be better. Something I just thought about was like, you showed that to me. Because a lot of these, like, I can't written as a bullet points under some of my other students. So it's like community and co-responsiveness. Okay. The point is, it's an application of equity. Yeah. You know what I mean? So it's like a sort of, That's something. And it's like, I have keeping vision as a lens for all work and decisions. I have under my sort of community and co-responsiveness. And you might be like, Yes. I'm just using how we're doing. We're doing reasonable education within our industry. So I think that's cool. That's a great story. I mean, it's a great thing to do in that policy. We've got the process of moving the district towards a net zero policy. Outcomes in our tracks. Like how do we stop the fact that we're in this community that they're best likely to go to college or go to school, you know, some educational post, you know, graduation. How do we, you know, how do we stop being prepared to be, like how do we have a policy? Yeah. How are we going to make sure that we're in efficient and achieve whatever it is that we're there in the district? Well, I guess it's like that. Yeah. Which is this? I'm looking at this like opportunity that you have. But I also, the second thing is, advance a more equitable and inclusive curriculum. Right. Because a lot of times people come by and say, I don't know. Do you need to hire somebody? But you're like, do you need to do it? Do you need to hire somebody? Yeah. Do you need to do that? Do you need to do it? Yeah. I remember when I first got here. I was just here. Yeah? There was something when I did this work. It was like, just so. It was a blast, wasn't it? And advance DEI competencies district one. You can have work to attract and retain more diverse hires and perspectives. So we discovered that the might as a reminder. Oh, what? Yeah, it is at a typewriter, basically. To all the competencies? Yeah. Did you two get every, you two groups get everything you heard too in there? You heard partnerships? Which is not three. Oh. Yeah. Which is great. Thank you for having me. You heard two saying ELS, that's what ELS said to retain. We're creating retain more diverse hires. We're creating diverse hires. Hires, because the ones that I worked on actually build off of this one, right? This one. That's true, yeah. I spent my time actually, as Libby said, like flush it out a little bit more or what it would look like. So I don't have really anything to add to this list. I would just say. Do you want to reshape mine? Yeah. No, I don't think I would change the language of them. Oh, I think Amanda, it's one of the things we talked about. Yeah. See? Resulting in. Yes. Great. Do you remember how we sat on the news? I don't like it. Yeah, they must. Now mine is literally modern. Right? Yeah. Sign things every year. Or like a safer, right? Yeah. Educational environment. Yeah, so. Yeah. Just a little higher. I can't do everything on my phone with paper. Yeah. Okay, here's your next step as a group. Your next step is to get it down to five. Oh. Oh. Okay. We're close. We're close. It seems a different call. We're close. We're close. A race. Yeah. Yeah, let me get two of them online. Yeah. I think she said she might. She's trying to. I think we can. We can. Two and three will be combined. I think the three. Yeah. Yeah. And then. So we do. So we just have an hour or the week. And I think the responsibility is. I believe. I think we should do two different functions. Cover size and power. Like the net zero is right. It's exciting to work in response to starting right by telling them yes, and then, um, it could have been great, but it could have been a lot of equity, but it could have been 25, you know, five, uh, all right, it's working. Um, could we have a stand? So, I will be, okay, I think we appreciate it. I believe that might be one of the opportunities. Not all three. I don't want to do the all three. No, my, my, number three. Number three. Yeah. Okay. I think that makes sense, because it's temperate. This part of it, this part of it feels like something for us to hold onto as we work. Yeah. So, for example, that's kind of what I started working on. What would it look like to have this, what does it take to get real robust community input at the beginning of the process, and how do we know when we're here and all that stuff can be something that we use this year to establish that we can do over and over again. Which is like the number two to borrow. Yeah. I am focused specifically on various things. So, we want to do this one. I don't think that's going to be easy. But, we are trying one. This one? I'm not saying that. We are trying one. We are trying one. Yeah, I think it goes, I would make it hard to decide. Yeah, it's not like a good one. Yeah. Yeah. That one is like a long time ago. Yeah. That one. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Uh-huh. And then you see the overall goal. So is the purpose of goal free or this one the box portion of existing Yeah shifted here shifted here Is the purpose of that to put in place Is the better process Is it kind of a lasting process or is it What's happening right like And it's Like Should we pull three Yeah I must feel like improved student outcomes is like an overall and then you know with a particular focus in You know Right When you feel like even five and student outcomes are not just you know academic I feel like I guess I feel like the students like the big right and like the equity is like Profiles like there's always more that we can be doing for every single kid in school And then how You know You know what are the categories like I think about there's academic outcomes. There's social emotional outcomes. There's like preparedness for life after school outcomes, you know I understand Five I feel like what I hear from that one is like You know, we have a set of values, you know as a board and that we're using those values to direct our decisions Right, so I guess I feel like I wonder if that really goes in terms of like community engagement Right. It's like, what are we here from the community in terms of their values and are we ensuring that we're Applying You know in the decisions that we're making Like I could value something but my proper community may value something more So my job as a school board number is to make sure that like the will of the community is, you know, injected decision making Let's start putting Sage if we need to move those chairs Or is yeah Yeah, where else does he Okay, one more minute to prioritize five I'm I'll put it there. Yeah 34 second Yeah All right Hold that conversation for one second. Don't go anywhere jail. Let's see what you're doing here All right here's your next tab get it down to three Here's a question is I listen to the conversations to help Hopefully So when you look at your three that you're trying to do I want you to ask you ask each other is this a strategy As in process like what we just went talked about or is an actual goal or is it a training? So that might help another question that might help is How would we know if this we're going to be achieved and if you don't know that it may not be a good goal It may be more of value And then the third question is I listen to the conversations What is is it possible to collect evidence or data just connected to that last one? Okay Because I like to have things that can be achieved as a superintendent So or these works can be shown to get there It may not be so good Okay, so get down to three That's one thing that we can measure Groups to outcomes. Yep. So the strategy a whole a training Or a value It just may help little bit down. I think staff recruitment and retention checks the boxes. Yeah Value I say that I don't It's hard to measure but it's still I mean, I think I think it's like Yeah How many Oh All right This one you're saying this School board who gets came in and feed up the So, what's like is that your number one make sure that you have this And Like You are overachievers over here. I know I'm just sitting here watching them struggle. All right, so it's a fleshed out Did you see Stacey Abrams campaign problems? Raised a minimum wage for all teachers who have stepped up to do it And that's what huge Japanese teachers are in Georgia Starting Clarify district priorities around the curriculum and measurable data to get back to us We've actually started Is that the cap or between or which ought to be in where we are Or I feel like what would you What would we fall out here of the thing that we would measure I feel like It's like If we're talking about like social emotional Health Insurance to have safety And I don't know I feel like it's Similar to how we would address curriculum. It's how do we make But how like how do we make this an environment in which people are That's your policy How the facilities committees might have a role because some of safety is just Like all of the work that we do sort of like Back to that, but it's hard for me to envision it as like a I'm trying to I'm trying to Clarify the role of the board in that like I think it's definitely a role of the district and should be a priority of all of the Schools to But it's sort of like so how are I feel like then maybe Because that makes sense. I feel like the me I would lead your board's board expectations The goal is very big Is that are the students have a better in my mind have a better education because These things are in place That's why In lands that can be applied to everything Just like for the yeah, you know like versus being it's separate. Yeah, so like rock scary you could have There I see if I asked you So Yeah, yeah I think Instead yeah, so Right You know type like big overarching goal or does it want to be like, you know, um, can we just 90 stop You know retention over You know a 10-year period Like how does it want to be I guess that's a way at least that's a way to qualify the The work we're doing right. Right. It is by retention of their The number of open positions or whatever there's ways to measure them. Although we have said that you feel like this That's too Of creating a timeline for the work for the year if I were to play And we can sort of flesh out Like That's Well in this case in this one look particularly the same question party would say this is the Like the budget process Only once over. No, it's it's a painful task. We have already narrowed it down like that first time Yeah, um, so I had just asked About like should these be smart goals? It's when we use it in education a lot So it's an acronym for smart is specific and is measurable A is achievable r as relevant t is time bound. So like if we really want to take that approach You know How we phrase it. Yeah definitely climate I I agree with you that those are our two main problems I would be worried that all of them Like I think there's a goal that just addresses the budget and then bowl I want to capture the likes for this piece. Um, yeah Reporting back So influence I think I think we would benefit from Is that something this I can change this Almost like training ground for ourselves for getting us Process for how we Use an equity lens In our decision Yes It's kind of this For us To just say Here's what we've done And then these are real concrete ways we can do that. We can say all right. We have a process that's in place every single year And Of both what we do well and what we're all right It was more minutes to get to to the budget With this High needs at risk As a Do a great season. Yeah Or yeah Historically marginalized Okay, everybody have a seat Yes Don't worry All right, one person is going to share out what your final three was so let's have a first number from number one's the priorities Somebody share out Okay For group one our final three priorities were to create a district where students want to work and Our teachers want to work and students want to attend Our second goal was to stop the cycles slash forward on conclusions and focus on improving student outcomes for all students and our third goal was ensuring that our schools are have safety wellness and Include mental health and basic needs right We struggled a little bit to distill but we can't in the end we came up with um Sort of board expectations clarifying clarifying board vision goals and timeline To further formalize a process for community input and board accountability to that input so reporting back out Progress monitoring etc Establish Priorities and progress monitoring of the curriculum issues that have been raised by students Kind of relates to the dei policy, which was another theme That came up for us in the first part of the process Yes, I said all three I Think where we landed was The A priority of the boards would be to run this process to look at the intersection of Bullying harassment and restorative justice and discipline Resulting in the safer educational environment in our schools Um And then then you have to skip a few and go to with a robust community input Guiding the process apply in equity and that through a lens to the budget Leveraging our funding to support advances in educational equity closing the q-wikap and saving the planet I added that part right at the end because we were wrapping up And then the very bottom one advancing more dei competencies and values district wide To include recruiting and retaining more diverse hires and the more diverse for curriculum So just so that they stand out also, but I think that's Okay, so for themes We have We have some Dei right here's the things one di in terms of recruitment We all are going to have homework after this So just that way in terms of recruitment Climate I'm assuming that means teacher climate staff climate rather Yes, I don't want to put words in anybody's mouth. So this is your work. Now my things Curricular decisions I'm hesitating on that because I have a different definition curriculum and it sounds like you do so curricular work And I'm going to put a splash. This is my impact on here. So I understand that instructional practices Because that I think is what we're actually talking about not necessarily curriculum, but instructional practices and decisions Are we Curriculum are standards that are mandated by law So Is outcomes the same kind of now we're looking for for that list? Because we want to improve outcomes for students and the various Anything else that I missed There you know people are saying And I don't think you've missed it. I just have I'm Yeah I'm looking for clarification Jill when you say outcomes Are you talking about something like the way rephrase it over there was closing the opportunity and achievement gap? Yeah, exactly, right? Yeah, okay Okay, another theme Um was Later, can I just clarify the instructional practices? So the curricular work is district work off of common core standards National science standards See three standards that are adopted by the state that we have to do are mandated and prioritize what we want to focus on The teachers are doing that work like but they're pretty much standards as we're in Destructional practices and decisions are teacher roles that that's where they have choice in the matter So in for instance, there is no standard that says march through american history With the lens of white colonialism yet teachers do that. All right That's a that's an instructional decision that teachers have done. That's not curriculum. Okay. That's the case study They've chosen to follow To get at Is that great? Yeah, exactly But also that that we can go into me about this, but I don't think you want to spend the time on it I would say that you want to really think about instructional practices More than saying curriculum as a kentall because then you're going to get people saying remarker. He's fine Because they're standards Right, so we want to focus more on what are the choices we have within there would be my take Go ahead Zach one last topic. Yeah, I want to focus on this first I think plan at least for the students like when The work group was used they were referring to like material like the content of it Without still falling. Yes. That's a teacher choice. Yeah, nobody's forcing any kind of material on a teacher Unless it's like Exactly. Yeah, that's the only time that is. Yeah, thanks Zach. Absolutely Um Anything else that's on this list? Any other themes? Okay, so let's move on It's like budgetary process was kind of that was down there A little bit of our timeline and goals a little bit. Yeah We erased it was up there. It was a reason to make a priority All right, so we have student outcomes Here too. I'm just oh Bowling harassment you have Yeah, you have safety wellness here. You had it down there too. Yeah. Yeah, we do We definitely had it as a big topic of conversation with uh Student staff safety came up a lot and it was sort of like how do we what we struggled with Was how does what is the board's role in ensuring student and staff's safety and how can we make it a board goal? When a lot of that work happens Internally Yeah, they're in my mind they intersect. Yeah Right I would add a point under it to pull in mental health certainly related. I would say to bullying and harassment But maybe pull it out. Yes, it's okay What'd you say? And so in with discipline a big theme for us was restorative practices So right that's a that's a process or a way to get to discipline ish Okay, and then three do we have a three? I think the board budget Rolls responsibilities and timelines Is that or is that a different green side? Well certainly community input into budget through your process is a board responsibility and goal Anybody prioritize that we did We didn't specifically relate it to the budget on our in our group, but just community input And sort of output Me meaning like how are we publicizing the progress that's being made towards whatever it is Are we intentionally publicizing progress that's being able to address issues that are I'm just pretty communication process, but if I don't want to change your words. Yeah Okay Did the other two groups touch on net zero at all? I would think that kind of I would have been kind of in safety and it could go and say come on as it could go into a budgetary process In community, okay We ended up feeling like it sort of landed around like if if the board has clear vision Then we can create lenses through that vision and one of those lenses can be Climate stuff and net zero stuff Um, so I've been personally sort of eager to hear from the vision committee And hoping that those can provide the lenses that we can use which one of which could include net zero The other groups put something about the actual board process as involved or is that a strategy? Similarly, the clarifying board vision tools timeline. Yeah, I see it in the middle groups number two amanda So this is where I'm seeing this could go Okay, so this is where I talk off my toes. So make sure anybody jumps in This is what I would recommend or suggest happening next since it's noon and our lunch is probably on its way right now Is that um, everybody write down these three themes and here's your homework Word snippet a little bit into old language Okay, so It would be and if we could go into smart goal because then that's about smart goals earlier Uh smart goal language that would be helpful because it may not be measurable but you say that acronym can you say the acronym out smart goals is uh Specific and measurable attainable Relevant relevant Yeah, yeah We just made so much we take it for granted, right? That's interesting. I know a smart goal acronym that stands for other things. Really? Yeah They're not that it's not that different, but not the same look at it. It's fine. I'm sorry. Okay Was it attainable attainable? Okay, so um What I'd like what I would recommend And this is totally up for discussion. Please excuse the interruption claim a kyber. Please come to the main office Take these down word smith them send them to me five Was there one me Wednesday 6 30? Please send them to me by June on Wednesday Okay What I will do is I'll put them all in one spot, right one document for everybody And um, I'll try to get those out to you prior to the board meeting. Although you may not See that you can get as soon as you get up to be better because then I'll make a a doc um At the board meeting We'll look and the goal will be in the first part of when we have time maybe a lot of time Hold out for this in the board meeting will be a discussion around How which one do we like which phrase do we really like which ones do we really want to think it's good for? That's kind of a lot of time work smithing But like which one really reaches those it's measurable It's attainable we can do it in a couple years and then we can spend some time playing out the process Perhaps in committees perhaps as a court board like right now We have it as committee work, but it may make more sense to talk about the process of what you'd like to see as a court board And because this is where I think is a superintendent, right? I want to know what you need from us at the administration side and what like when I'm making that year long calendar How this is all flow across a year What trainings could be added in because we have to set that up For what we need so that's where library goes But it's helpful to have the actual goal and priorities, which we've never had started this for your report Does that sound okay for everybody for where we are right now? Would anybody like to make some friendly amendments in there So let me just make sure I understand you're saying well our homework is to use these themes and write our Version of smart goals that fall within these themes at the board meeting on Wednesday We will have a whole big list of Yeah, and if they say if you sound similar like you and Jim write pretty similar goals, then I'll just Proposed, you know like nobody should be offended if their exact wording isn't in there But I'll try to synthesize it as much as possible And then at the board meeting we will riddle those draft goals down to our top three Right and then coming out of the board meeting committees will have Work to do to create a timeline of what it would take to hit those goals, right? And if you get them to me earlier, then you can have time to look at them before Right if I get the vast majority beforehand, then I'll make a pdf We'll put it up on the website as well as public and you all will have it to review prior to Wednesday But knowing life gets in the way It can be hard, right? I feel like if we if we can we need to do some homework in order to move the process faster. I agree Maybe let me set that up from the end, like when is it for the process or the process we have to create the homework? Because you can add or subtract from the end of your work, right? When you do your homework. So these are themes And then a smart goal would be like more like here's a specific thing that we can accomplish Board will yeah, and you're saying within two years should be the time frame or within this year Totally up to you all that's working on first Okay, so just like that could also be defined within the goal Yeah I just want to help and this is where I get like the goal versus objective How we're gonna get there We can then as either board our computer How we never get there whether it's in five years Yeah Yeah, because that was sort of the struggle in our conversation There was a lot of themes and a lot of sort of like bigger hopes and dreams And then it was like how do we Turn this into something that we can like do in the next year, right? And how do we word it in a way? so Yeah Which is the tricky part, right? It's harder Yeah, I'll give you an example right was listening in on the conversation around that zero and Jim might be in of like the board's role is policy Right, so we could if we wanted to prioritize that make a policy around That's zero Right, and then you can see how that would work across multiple years You know that that goal is not going to change in one year necessarily But then it's becomes our job to report out to the board The steps for taking multiple times throughout the year Makes sense and it might be that really just for the one year the board actually says We're going to take a year to write and pass the policy right and then maybe we say we assign that to the facilities committee And the facilities give me like actually it's going to take us two years. So we have to read, you know, I don't so when we're when we When we go back to do this homework I just want to I like I think that doing an example together I don't know if we have time to do that right now, but like I'm waiting for lunch. So doing one example might be helpful for to like Understand what we're looking for for Wednesday That and so we're talking about whittling it down to three or four smart goals I'd say Three is beyond where your capacity is so if if Um Passing a net goal policy net zero policy would be a goal Is that what we're saying as an example as an example? Yeah, okay Then Is it is that the wording of it or do you want any more information attached to that so make that as the as it Let's play with this one, right? so A goal of the board and this may it could be a standing goal Is that when the large decisions which large is very arbitrary and subjective I understand that so when large decisions have to be made Aka budget or for example budget, right? The board will have design a process for community input and output of In order to make budgetary decisions Right that could also be You know big large goal could be our largest decision could be around that zero. It could be around I heard you talking about firearm policy You know like so big big decision could be something that's bigger than just budgetary process or different budgetary process But that could be a standing board goal That whenever there's a large decision that needs to be made but there's community input and output Then the board says how are we going to do that through committee work through? assigning roles through reaching like just reach out And we might even say that's the standing goal and then for this year like by the end by the end of the 2022-2023 school year We will have that process Written out for ourselves so that we can achieve that standing goal year after year after year And that that's how we time bound it is that we give ourselves that deadline of like we have to actually get this process Kind of hot bind so that it can be used Yeah, I think it's definitely my idea I think I agree with all that. I think it's kind of hopeful. It's kind of my friend to think about What we can actually do Yeah, I'm gonna think about the work we do and the processes we can put in place You know can rewrite a policy Can we put in place? You know as me has suggested a formalized working process to like you get a big decision. Okay We should salt our handbook. We don't have yet and this is the process that we go through the 2x1c Unless it's a emergency decision So like thinking about some things that we can actually Do as a board And if we look at this one right here Um, I can think of in my four years one time. We have presented the board on any kind of discipline data Pam Arnold in that one time And it was absolute disaster It was to show evidence to show evidence in need of a behavior teacher at msms for a pleasure to think So we We had one one instance of that we've never shown data around the number of pulling and harassment investigations we do or You know outcomes or anything like that. Like that's never been something We've shared about we've had one presentation around SEL like people think of Jim because he's been here for a long as SEL from Mary Bechtel, right Next year. We're piloting a thing called talk space, which is a virtual Mental health therapy or mental health therapy process for every staff member of their children and every student in MRPS, right Which is the considerable cost of the district, but we're piloting it for a year I would think the board would want to some like data on that like how's it going? Who's using it, you know, like how many times are you using it so that you can make a decision? Because we're using S or money for it, you know, how we're going to use it and Next year if we are, you know, if we do a D1 put it into our local funding So those are kind of things that we mean end of this like but if we if you were made a goal around filling pulling and harassment It would be I'm not sure what it would sound like I can just picture my role in it, right bringing that data to the table Or to the board meeting so that you have something to talk about other than A vision and story and that kind of thing of what's actually happening And and it could be You know, at least for the year getting more data so we can perform calls Um Merit, do you have something to say? Um, no, I it was kind of answered. It was just like when we're drafting these goals Like it's best to keep it broad like when Maybe it was gonna make us the example of I don't know like we'll create a process. We're not saying anything more specific Well, but the first the first word in the acronym is specific So I think I think we should write down the smart acronym up here And I think people should have that as a note and maybe go through it Because it's like I'm I'm very concerned about the measurable thing and when we're going to do that When are so when we write these goals? I think we also need to be alongside Putting these goals out to the public as our goals for the year. I think we need to have I don't know when that work will happen But we need to we need to have it a drop down that explains how we're going to measure You know, what is the timeline? All of the smart acronyms and what how will go we're making progress? Yeah Um, so I don't want to just put the goal out there. I want to put all those things out there I think the Like I see these are overall goals and I think what In order the smart goal is now going to get us To any of the like there are multiple things within those big goals I think what the smart goal is like how we're going to get there this year Yeah, and like being able to say okay In the di let's say recruitment climate like all these things Now I'm going to use the smart goal setting for this year As the board how can we advance that work specifically? We're going to just make it this up right now. Uh, we're going to recruit in a You know variety of places Like I'm just making this up. Yeah, I was like um I'm going to Try to get this year I'm going to grow my own. I'm going to this year recruit five part educators again making this up um And because those are really big that's not going to give us Smart but what we can do because this is Those themes are important for all of us. What we can do is each of us create some smart Goals to get us to that big one. Yes, that will be specific for this year. So we could say Amanda's going to Do the smart one for bullying harassment here at some of like the steps that I see this year for example and then do that I think that will better serve us than try to create The smart goals for what we have those things that we have those are just big ones I don't think I mean That sounds like a friendly amendment to the process where instead of having three smart goals We're going to have three themes with uh with With maybe three smart goals for each theme Is that what I'm hearing you say it's like this is one that when when I think of process is when I think goals objectives like Like creating that like the strategies of how to get to that big picture If we're going to if we're using this slide, we're definitely doing one year or two I was deciding that work that dei Team we're not going to finish in two years That's like a long-term process of how We're going to work together to advance that and that is not really sticking one year Yeah, so we're not going to be able to recruit and buy but are you proposing that three smart goals is too few Is that what you're I'm proposing that we look at each of these themes and then create The beginning strategies of how we're going to get there And that's all of us creating a smart goal or two And then A vision statement around each team, you know, like mrps school board, you know We'll prioritize dei And then there's like, yeah three two or three smart goals beneath there But there's almost like a very simple vision statement for each team and then there's three smart goals Or two That's just it's too much. It's too big. It's not I mean, I think a lot of our Oh Keep talking. Yeah Yeah, we've been more specific goals for like actual board works or like Like what's what steps we achieve between now? It feels like it will circulate and we'll probably hear You know What is the priority what is doable and attainable in this timeline of one to two years? I'm having to be the deal wet one Because the reality is that as a board we are responsible to the voters for the budget and we have some This waiting study is really going to ding off pretty rock scary as far as our funding So we need to also be able to understand what our role is And it's not in infecting outcomes here and also be able to Articulate what we're doing as a district to our community so that we continue to support our budget I just want I just That is a big part of our goal which to develop the budget advocate for the budget Get things funded and this waiting study Is changing for the worst the weights that we get our education spending Based on so it's going to impact our tax rate so I I agree with and i'm glad that we've done all this and I also think we need to be realistic about You know, we need twice a month. We have public comment things come and go and we need to be able to Defend our budget and explain the positive impact that what we're spending is providing for our communities so that they'll continue to support it But I'm also hungry so well, I would I want to balance that To our students and our families to tackle some of these other things right so it's like yeah, that is our job safety With our budget And I don't hold on time up. Can we move tables so that people are looking at each other when we're eating? Oh I might just merge For example to Achieve these things. Yeah, that's our thing is is not to not do these but that we need to be prepared to Explain this to the community so that they can see the value in what we're doing So they'll continue to support this work Because if the only headline I've seen about our district lately is 11 tax rate increase because of the waiting study Not the 50 great things that are Probably happening to dress a million other things. That's the stuff that people see headlines about. I just want us to be Really on our feet so that we can explain Why the waiting study is what it is and That the decisions that we're making how they're impacting students how we focused on student staff support is we're coming out the other side of this pandemic and I don't know. We're very fortunate. We have a very supportive community now schools have that level of support And I just want to That's all I just wanted Somebody should be prepared to respond to that stuff Yeah, and I think building off that like you know those things come up and and they You know The board only controls the agenda so much Yeah, yeah, I mean you Yeah, you get hit with uh Please get hit with that to get hit with cobit. Um I yes, of course. Yeah. Yeah, you get hit with an 11 percent tax increase that Radically changes the discussion with the community Radically changes you get hit with as you know, the board did like Tax increase Yeah, you get hit with an 11 percent tax increase that radically changes the discussion with the community You get hit with as you know, the board did like 10 11 years ago a budget defeat um Yeah, so obviously you want a good plan of goal to guide us but Uh, you know, there are there are things that come up that Are very significant that you know That you'd be prepared for Amanda and I were talking one thing that came up this that we felt like we need both increased accountability, but also increased flexibility Which sort of sound opposite at first but really I think that you know, they are And I think this is why it's important to show a big picture people when they're They're only presented at years how much you're tough is increasing But like if you can show the benefits of like or like the issues that we have and how we're getting there, you know How as a community we are taking You know communities from different places and we're increasing like I think This is this is why it's not either or it's like and and we need to show the whole picture so that our community is aware and can make a decision that is And that we're thinking about all the communities including those who are low income And I kind of a question for the group about the vision committee and their results how polished Of of a result would you like to see come from like would you like the vision committee to take their to take a chance at writing a draft vision and a draft mission and identifying values and then sharing Either all the data in its raw and massive form or somehow distilled in one way or another or levels of distillation or something distillation wasn't that in the proposal and builds proposal like what the end products will be I Did anyone read that Yeah, I think so but I haven't looked at it. I think it was um if I remember my memory of it is that it was sort of more broader strokes Um, I don't think it said like a craft, you know craft a vision statement for the district I don't know because no one said that's our job. That is right. Yeah, so I mean Personally, I wouldn't if that committee has time which it sounds like time has been a struggle It wouldn't be a bad idea to see a draft or maybe some bullet points that you want to make sure to have included in the vision statement But it's not part of the job of that committee. I don't think that based on what's happened with that committee I would say that the Themes would be our biggest hope. Yeah Themes are given to the board Some time and that that's not up there, right? That might be something that we want to Hold on something else or it could be on the community input out by right. You've gotten community input. Yeah, and so now The goal would be uh using the themes from the visioning committee's work to draft a vision Who dropped a new vision statement for the district? Yeah, I think it'd be very difficult for the visioning committee to actually Craft the statement Yeah, it'd be hard for us. That'd be a lot harder for the vision committee. Yeah I think that I think I like the themes Yeah That would be very helpful. Yeah But my thought as far as the feedback was just that we'd pick out Really interesting ones good or bad And then just make the rest available. But I mean there's so much Feedback and it's like right all different formats. You have some questionnaires. You have some opening questions. You have Victory themes Hey I have to go in about 20 minutes and I was hoping that Part of lunch at least would just be like sitting around and chatting Are we okay to adjourn in the meeting and just like Bring it out together for a little while Or we feel like sure have more business to attend to The thing is like once you formally join the meeting we like seriously cannot talk you can't drift it to Which I'm sort of fine with but It's it's hard. It'll it would yeah, it'll become A violation of open meeting law if we start Oh, what about this? Oh, yeah, I guess I just want to make sure like I you know in our small group It was like there was a couple priorities that we each had that were sort of like Lost In the translation of of sort of narrowing it down or making it more broad to fit other things And I think it sort of relates to what amanda is saying is that Um It's that delicate balance of having the goal Or in this case the theme the themes are the broad things and then the goals are the are the more specific things But it's that delicate balance of like Having a goal that's big enough that can last a year And I'll be like, oh we checked that off. We're done, right? And that it's like capturing all of these things that we're all individually are bringing to the table as concerns So like one of the things that I would love input before we just chat about our weekends or whatever Is if we could workshop a little bit around the curriculum concerns that have been brought to us from students And that that was a big priority of of american zack when we've met outside of the meetings You know, it would fit under d i as a theme it would fit under community input output as a theme It also would fit under safety You know what I mean? It fits in all of these things. So do I if I'm going to be trying to write a smart goal around that? Or and I think I heard amanda sort of proposing and maybe christen echoing That maybe it is a theme with a few smart goals Instead of just three smart goals that we like land on After this process. It's finished and I still am struggling with like I don't want too many because I want to make sure that we Accomplish or try to accomplish I think I share with these. I don't know if that's a type a thing But sort of like I want to know that I can do this or like I'm gonna see the light at the end of the time I'm not having to too broad Of course, we'll always be sort of working towards it or just too lofty sort of like it's always going to be there as You know part of the vision work, right? It's always going to d i will always be part of our vision. I think But then it's sort of like this year. What do we want to accomplish? So I think another question to add on to that is what's the board's role in that work? So there is legitimate places for the board's right, but the board's not going to change instructional practices, right? The board could Make policy, you know make some implications in policy around instructional practices or Or Ensure budgetary money for professional right goes towards instructional practices, right? But Choosing instructional practices of teachers is not the board's role, right? So for Jim and I talked about in ours I was like, I've been a teacher. I would not want the school board Into my classroom and being like, so why aren't you teaching about this? I would tell you that we were to pass and say The set of social justice standards that kind of have some implications about resources and You know, it's that something that the board could do Yes, I mean, I think that would be helpful guidance because I mean it's The standards like if if Libby if you're talking about curriculum as just being the standards standards are like skill based right now That's how they're written. Some of them are not open. Yeah, most of the global citizenship standards are where it's like Here's this like specific. They're not like theme like we expect you to teach You know ancient Egypt this year. No where they used to be that that's right. They used to be they used to be sort of like So my I was global citizenship teacher or history teacher. However, you remember it But it's like it used to be sort of like set up like okay in these grades We want you to touch on these like historic themes And then these grades we want you to move towards and that's why everyone learned about ancient Egypt in middle school Right and then you move through And you get to like european history in high school So it's no longer written that way. It's more like skill based like are you able to analyze a variety of perspectives throughout history or themes throughout history that Relate back to this the topic that the teacher but then hypothetically the teacher could choose any The case study it's like the world is your oyster like what historical theme do I want to teach about like it could be Anything some teachers are just using the appendix of the c3 for example, which is Like what the social studies teachers that could give more diverse feedback So in terms of our smart goal, it's like yeah, it's I don't know I would like to workshop that a little bit or if I think it's really useful because I don't know if it's the board's role to To write curriculum for the school district. Well, no, I'm seeing it exactly that you are policy Yeah, policy monitoring. Yep action plan So that we can like What do you mean by action plan? What would go out of action plan? So maybe it's like Measurable so it would be measurable success towards Meeting the policy Okay, so or isn't it maybe who comes up with the action plan? Yeah Oh, okay, so it would be like okay, but we've we've tabled policy monitoring for a while now So we have not heard back from libyon things and if we're prioritizing the curriculum or dei policy So right now there's a paragraph in the dei policy about curriculum And that's kind of the only place where it lives for us So under our purview as the board like that's what I see it's either like we write a new policy that relates to curriculum or We adopt a procedure or ask the b2 adopt a procedure that's like specific set of standards or I forget what you said social justice Social justice standards as part of the dei, you know something like that, but it's like so how Yeah, I just don't want that to get lost like that's a big priority of mine now And I just don't want it to get lost in and watered down into like Having too big Yeah And I think that's where the collaboration with libyon goes is to ask what what you see Is our role versus not And how and like that conversation You know, this is something that's important to the board Some of us has come from community input. We now want to do an output. And so what is Kind of like our role your role and how do we come to the middle To walk the path of getting to the end Goal, which is we're going to have a district that really follows through dei And what are the resources that we're going to need The teachers are going to need to be able to implement Impacts all students I'm having a moment of feeling a little funny about articulating goals Like in public forum when we haven't really been able to see The community feedback from the visioning process It feels like the cart is coming before the horse a little bit You know, if these this if this is going to be the work that is or if these are going to be the goals That define our work for the next year or two Without having everything that we're getting out of the visioning process I could just see how that would be perceived as like undermining and and The public would just feel like well, that was futile They're just moving ahead and they haven't even yet heard And I guess they probably the public doesn't really know where we are at likely in in this process of like distillation But I personally then have kind of like a moral ethical Hangup of like defining our work plan without having heard from the community yet So and I I guess, you know, I don't I we can only push that process so far and it is massive and I think I haven't looked at Nathan's email that came in notably at 12 10 a.m And he's nearly working so hard. Okay. Yeah, and I haven't seen those so You know, I'm I'm like Do we have to do this by Wednesday? I mean, this is really big and do we look at Yeah Do we look at you know doing kind of some deeper personal homework like over the month of July when we're not Meeting and we're on beaches and maybe other Relax places. What's that or while we are? Yeah, right, you know, and because are we having a retreat in august? I think we're gonna have some sort of extended meeting in august. Yeah process with the visioning committee Is I think one of the thing that we have been all trying to work on is like this board processes So if anything, this is not a futile exercise to kind of just leave it and wait for the visioning committee to come back And one thing that we you know, we could be working on is like, okay like How are we gonna do this board process? Like what are the things that you know, we could I mean some of it informally has been happening like the equity committee has been Trying to develop already the board package that has some of these things, right? Like The policy committee is looking at the overall picture of like, you know, and then how do we develop those processes? That's still work that regardless of what vision or goals we have We still have a lot of work to do together to come up with You know, all of us said it we need to improve the way that we work together to advance our goals So we could have beautiful goals But if we don't have a process in place, we're just gonna keep not doing our work So you could use the board meeting on wednesday only because I think you want you want at least I want you to Have an idea of what wednesday is gonna look like Because just to have to announce in the board meeting You you could I think christin's point in very well taken And uh The other thing is the the staff climate as well, so right so uh, it could be that you use the time on Wednesday in your main committee some of you are Multiple committees, right? You couldn't use that time on wednesday in your main committee to talk about Where are you now? What's the next step? You know, let's get the next direct step going and where do you hope to be Based on a very good conversation that you had today, right? It may not be the exact conversation for goals and things, but it could we could put the goals setting aside until We're able to hear from Nathan's work in the climate survey I think right. I agree with that completely. I think the optics would be horrible if Announce some goals before you got the feedback, but for what it's worth. I don't think there's going to be any surprises in the in the feedback It's the same things similar issues I think I think there's some surprises Yeah around that as much emphasis on some themes as we think there would be Do you know what I mean? Um Libby when you say get together with our committee and say where are we now? First and one or some next steps Can you say can you me a little more context where are we at now in terms of these three themes or where are we now in terms of No, I think just in terms of work. So I think of the policy committee who works quite A lot, right? Yes. I don't know. There's memories. We said very regularly, but um The policy committee could say all right. This is what we know. We have to do You know, I've written to them like about a couple policies. Like where is that in the lineup of conversation? I'm just looking at you. I don't see you can correct me if I'm wrong. Um, what have we done What's the next thing we need to look at just some time for that kind of planning? Um, so I think about the majors who meet quite a bit like facilities have been meeting quite a bit lately With buildings the equity committee meets quite a bit and the policy committee meets quite a bit Superintendant valuations seems to be in a good spot ish right now Um and negotiations. It's not something you usually talk about in public meeting anyway And that's starting to fall. So there's plenty of time to There's nothing that we need to talk about around negotiations. Did I miss anything? Oh finance And that's finance But that's kind of her out in the corner with reports and things like that So so what you're saying is the committees that have been that have some ongoing work What we would do is kind of get ourselves organized for the year ahead. Yeah But um, but I sit in multiple committees. I can have like two hands instead of we but I have so Some of these goals for example of bullying harassment discipline Um some of the work around outcomes and um Having called I can see that part the student Climate curricular reconstruction practices Well, that was the last one decision. Oh community input output. No outcomes like the student outcomes like um So for example, just that the literacy Focus around that disparity and like how like some of the emails were received from families and just like I I guess that goes to the input and outcome and how how do we tackle some of that? So I don't I just don't want to because that process is not going to happen till august And then we're going to spend another two months kind of looking at the data looking at So like right now just feels like There's some other movement we can do around some other work like We should put all the eggs in the goals and like what are the other things we can do other than the committee work which In the two committees that I'm in I feel like we already have some things that we're working on that are planning that are moving that are kind of going ahead What's our I'm just it's just it's I'm feeling like the that is just like okay. We're gonna just Go back to what we're doing and forget that until august september and I'm like I think there's some other options that you'd have on the table you Another option would be that you know the budgetary process is coming And there you know you have to get community input around that budgetary process You know that in the past it's usually been too late Um to inform the process now. I know the visionary process could have some impact on budget process But what might that process look like you could go there? Um Other places like you have heard Things around literacy special education. Could you potentially think about the yearly calendar that? Jim and I make And think like we want data presentations this date this date, you know like spread them out So that we can get those on the calendar Or you could ask me questions as to when would be Days that would make sense to get literacy data In front of the board so you could go a different way of like Yeah, getting at these kind of outcomes and community input with things that you know Are out there. That's another way you could look at it Just like what are the what are the things we want to have in front of us? To inform decision that we know are coming towards us so that we could add that to the yearly calendar Yeah, I think that makes a lot of sense. I think using what sort of focus on Some data presentations and process we want for the year ahead because I think I think community input on kind of the broader goals and visions is really important I'm not sure community input on process is I don't think we're going to get much And I think that's something kind of we have to decide so we could use Wednesday to kind of think about that from any perspective like Yeah What do you want to see from the administration? What kind of data do we want? Kind of with these in mind that will bend these a little further, but Um How I think what I hear you say would be in jim is how might we organize ourselves for the year in order to ensure that these themes The board is keeping our Minds in these themes and Regardless of what goals we end up setting we would have Touchpoints throughout the year within which we would be able to get information that would help us move toward those goals So then your homework would be what questions might you have right thinking about literacy or special education? It might be what kind of trainings do you need? Yeah Can I add one more homework? What if we also think about the budget process? As to what are the things we feel We should get like to inform the community or like to get that input and output just based on the budget So then we can plan a timeline. You already gave us a timeline of The points at which we make decisions And so like we want to Plan ahead Like we're going to decide that why do we need between those decisions. Why do we dream of having in place? between those decision making points that we want to make sure we have so like I feel like there's a role for the finance committee in this because the finance committee has these quarterly reports and we kind of Forgive me for not knowing what my role is in that committee completely But there's kind of a okay. You're giving us a picture of where everything's at Is there a place where the finance committee can can? ask for highlights of What the intentions were from a previous budget and how it actually turned out or I don't know if there's a way that the finance committee can sort of Identify information that we hope can be presented to the whole board To help the board better make budget decisions or better communicate with the community based on Previous decisions or i'm not sure When is the visioning committee planning to be reported I thought there was like a soon like a sort of pre Like a report out And a school year report out and then that we had extended the timeline through the summer to sort of finish Is that the emails that came last night is our sort of report out? The board that there's no like visioning presentation to the board with like a I was just Looking the preliminary. There's nothing that's scheduled And right now, what does it mean there isn't it just means there's nothing scheduled because I was picturing These are goes back to assumptions. I was sort of picturing the visioning committee A representative or two coming from the community to report out on my case. Here's where we're at so far Here are the things that we've identified so far and that after that And since this since tomorrow or wednesday is our last Board meeting before the school year is over I thought that it would happen and that there would be like a report back to us And that then the extra time that was being asked for Was to sort of like fine-tune like the themes and um proposals for the vision Your assumption is accurate as to what the process was supposed to be That it's not how the process is shaping up to be And so I think we may find out more tonight. I'm looking at my fellow committee members We just put like we do committee like committee report outs can we have the visioning committee report out on wednesday It's it's a free-for-all right now. I know we can do it During that time that would be a good plus we do have some of the data We just got the data, yeah Yeah, we have all the data now, so Yeah, we also have that climate Yeah, so I almost feel like it's I think this is what amanda is touching on I don't know because our brains work differently. Yes, we have discovered Um That I think what you're saying is like you don't want to like lose momentum in progress Like we want to we do want to get goals written down um, and I feel like if we have a preliminary preliminary findings from both the climate survey and the visioning committee even if it's not like polished that that could help inform Our goals Now I'm kidding. Um, I think no I I want to respect the visioning committee Uh, I think like I don't want to lose momentum and because there are things that we could do what I What I am feeling like I like all this work was beautiful today And I think it gave us a lot of information and I think when we have a vision committee will add to that um But I think there are specific things we can do Like looking at the budget. That's something that we need to do We I don't want to lose momentum on that. Let's wait for that Before we can move forward. There are things that we can move forward and do in our break in july or like thinking of the budget like making sure that we have Let's start setting up that process of how we want to work together to advance I know I just worry that after today Where there's like this organized time set aside to do this That when we say let's do this let's do that like Whose shoulders does that fall on and when will it happen? Because aren't we taking a break in july? So we're not meeting again until After tomorrow night, or do we have another meeting? No I'll be or sorry Right I don't know. So I just that concerns me is like this that like who and how And so I mean accountability came up in a few different Discussions and we're going around didn't make it to our top three But definitely was the In one idea I had just which actually might work out is like What if the student reps are the ones that are their job is the oldest They come to the meetings. They're the people that are affected by it And you guys can say hey you meant last week. You know these great ideas What the hell did you guys do last week? Maybe nothing in kinder words So It almost be like like you would either review or Review the mix and just keep us accountable for what we've seen the week before until we see what we can do And you know, it's not it's not necessarily It's your answer. Hey This this was a part of us It's been a month Maybe nothing's happened. There's good reasons for it No, that's their role. I think that's more my role But Yeah, I mean, I think just to be manageable and so we don't have a No one's that I think if we can focus on some process things we want to see this conversation forward and also some Process things for you to come back in August Establish a work plan for July before the August meetings So I know it's a work plan. I just I just think the the process things that we want to Have happened when we come back Yeah, I think so committee work is going to happen in July I mean, I've just been on Nothing happens much people. Yeah, I think people did that break and I think they need to recharge and Yeah Yeah, and I think kind of use the think about using the visioning process which we're going to get hopefully in more depth in august and You know the upcoming budget process is a way to start to pull us And as far as that visioning Brahms, I'm envisioning I'm seeing like we got a ton of data and I'm imagining going through it. I'm imagining say she's going through it. We're both looking for themes. We're trying to come up with themes that anybody would feel are are You know represent the views that we've heard. How do we Communicate with each other as we're doing do we like present information just can't have Go back and forth. You know, you too can't you too can have what I want. How are you? Because We just have emails go back and forth agree on it then share it to the product group kind of It does feel like a ton of data and I'm happy to go through a lot, but I don't want to make I don't want to do stuff that somebody else has already done or that's you know, I mean that's going to happen But So just to be clear we're not drafting goals anymore We're just Yeah, what are we Yes, is it just like In preparation for Wednesday. Well, I think I tell about this. What do we do today? So why don't we Because it's fresh in our brains Drapped our smart goals and give them to Libby. Yeah, and you won't just discuss them on Wednesday But that she'll have them for August Because in August we'll be like what are you talking about? so So so draft them and send them to Libby just so she hasn't been one place with the fresh in our minds and then you know That document will exist, but I'm for the conversation on Wednesday Think about some process goals that we have for particularly August, September and then kind of throughout the year around data and You know community input what we want the budget process to look like some specific things we want to have happen procedurally and information wise that will Inform our ability to really code in our goals and also some of you just know What we're going to want to do and we're going to want to throw a budget process with good input And I think we can make a safe assumption that I believe that these more we're going to want more information on We're going to want more information on safety and wellness and you know giving Libby an idea of the type of data that we're seeking so she can start to think about You know How to put that together so go back to the calendar. Yeah, if I make a black calendar beforehand and get it out to people Yeah, just so you have it in front of you and we can crack that and I heard Libby say You know questions you want answered. That's really helpful trainings. You might want And then presentations, right? So like data you might want to see I like that training data. What kind of training? What kind of data Any questions we have questions? Yeah And not can inform your process of like setting the agenda in the calendar for the year And that can always change once we hear back from like thoroughly from This community we're like, whoa hold the phone. Yeah, and there's some that I'll throw out that like training I'm thinking of trainings in particular like this board has never dealt with expulsion in any way But based on what we saw this year, it might Legitimately be something the board will have to tackle next year. And so I think bringing ph or and Heather and You know for a board training of what is your role? So so we don't have to figure it out when we're in the moment Right. It might be something that's helpful Um, so there might be some training so that I would recommend We do With myself included because I'm not Okay, I'm gonna well send an email out to everybody