 Welcome to the Dr. Gundry podcast. You know, you eat right, you make healthy choices and you still feel lousy? You're not alone. Not long ago, my guest, Gina Hill suffered from migraine, cystic acne, joint pain, fibromyalgia, Hashimoto's thyroiditis, pulsatile tonitis, chronic fatigue and depression, all while eating what she thought was a healthy diet. But when Gina, who is actually a pharmacy technician, learned how to cut lectins from her diet, she was actually able to turn things around. You know, as a result of all this, she created lectin-free creations by Gina, a website and an Instagram account with tasty lectin-free recipes and has even launched a lectin-free revolution in her own community in a warrenton virginia. Today, we'll discuss what it takes to go lectin-free and how to eat right without feeling deprived. And I think that's a really big issue for everyone embarking on this. So Gina, welcome to the program and happy 50th birthday. Thank you, Dr. Gundry. It's wonderful to be here. I just want to say I owe you a debt of gratitude for everything that the Plant Paradox has done for me in my life. Well, thank you so much. That's actually why I do this. And you actually flew out here to share your experience with us. And I can't thank you enough. And I can't thank you enough for all you're doing, not only in your community, but around the world with your website and your Instagram account, because you're really trying to help people make this work. I am. I'm fantastically fascinated by this lectin-free lifestyle and I enjoy the blogging. Good. I mean, were you a blogger before all this? No. No, I was not. So you said, oh my gosh, there's something to all this and I've got to tell people. I did. And it just went. Okay. So you felt awful. And we've off-camera talked a little bit about your experience. And I know this was going on for 40 odd years. Can you kind of walk back and give us a little scenario of what was happening? Yes. Okay. So as a child growing up in Ohio, I had cornfields all around me. And we had access to that for our meals. And then as a family of eight on a meager income, we also had a lot of beans, non-pressure cooked beans with the corn and cornbread. That was a main staple. So I did suffer from migraines. As a child, I can remember being in bed for two to three days at a time with the migraine as a 10 or 11-year-old. And then came the chronic strep throat and sinus infections and ear infections. And of course, the antibiotics were frequent as a child. And then by... And you had your tonsils out, right? Yes. So by the time I was 16 years old, I had such a chronic infection, the infection had went so far back in my throat, not only my tonsils, but a great deal of tissue removed behind my tonsils down into my throat as well. So that was at about the age of 16. And then the acne came afterwards and I dealt with that until I was lectin' free. Now let me ask you, let me go back. What's it like... So you're having migraines as a 10-year-old. Did anybody say, oh, come on, you're a 10-year-old girl or boy? You're a drama queen. You don't have migraines. Did people actually take you seriously or was it, come on, get out of bed. Let's go. They did. They took me seriously. I was actually told that it is genetic, that it was a genetic issue. My aunts and uncles and my dad all had the headaches. So it was definitely a genetic issue, I was told. Yeah, okay. Well, that's good. At least somebody gave you a break. Yes. Okay. All right. So then you... So your tonsils are out and you've got lots of antibiotics with that. Yes. And then the acne starts. Yes. And what do people tell you about the acne? Oh, it was just hormonal or it's the junk food that you were eating, but I didn't eat a lot of junk food. But it was just something that I couldn't find a solution to. And they wanted to put you on a medication. Not at that point until I was older. Later. And then I guess by my early 30s I had come in contact with a tick, I guess, and I got Rocky Mountain Spotted Fever. It was devastating for me and I got fed more antibiotics. And then along came the fibromyalgia. The migraines intensified a lot of face pain and ocular pain as well. It was very difficult to live in that state. It was probably one of the worst times in my life to live with the symptoms of the Rocky Mountain Spotted Fever. Now are you still in Ohio at this point? No, we're a military family. My husband is a retired marine. So we lived in North Carolina where the presence of the Rocky Mountain Spotted Fever tick is large there. And so you're getting lots of antibiotics for that. And are you actually working during all this? I was in school to be a dental assistant and I made it through the program dealing with the pain as well. And I ended up not doing anything with it because I was just too sick. And then from there I ended up with not too long after that the thyroid pain started. So I did feel this knot in the tightness in my thyroid and I just chose not to do anything about it at that point. I just tried to ignore those. I really didn't know what it was. And did you ask your doctor about all this? Or I'm not going to mention it. I've got enough worries. No, I didn't. I didn't mention it at all. I just knew that it was a problem. It was a new issue. Then by my late 30s I had gotten the flu and was fed more antibiotics. For the flu? Yes. Yes. That works well. It destroyed me. This is when the mucus started. This is when it became a real problem for me. The mucus was the worst. I had severe post nasal drip when I slept. It kept me awake. I was having to blow my nose frequently and I was clearing my throat and my chest. When I consumed, now that I know what it was, lectins. So when I would consume my high-grain diet, the mucus would fill up in my lungs and I was having a hard time breathing. I was so sensitive to it all. It was not pleasant to be around me. Now, were people telling you, well, these are just allergies. It's hay fever or it's pollen things. You live in North Carolina. Did people want to give you things for this? I had went to a pulmonologist and they did testing, which I passed all of them. They gave me a nasal spray and an inhaler for that. An inhaler? Yes. The mucus formation stayed with me all the way from my late 30s until when I went lectin-free. It actually had gotten worse. But at that time, when the mucus started, the doctor gave me Prilosec. Ah, great idea. Leprechaun, purple pill. So we all know what that is. So by the time I had gotten the medication, the mucus problems had turned into really a severe burning in my sinuses. And my throat had become raw. I never had a moment where my lungs felt clear. So I did. I was put on the Prilosec and then by my early 40s, I had so much of the mucus formation that it was starting to affect my Eustachian tube. So I was hearing my pulse and they call that pulsatile tinnitus. And that was just another issue. So they just kept compounding from there. And then what happened? Or isn't that enough? Shortly after that, the pain in my throat had gotten so painful that I did go to the doctor. I'd never been to an endocrinologist before. So I didn't understand what was going on. They did a CAT scan of my thyroid and told me I had Hashimoto's. I had never heard of that before. I didn't understand what it was. And then I was hypothyroid as well. I was given Synthroid and which I ended up later changing myself to armor. I didn't like the side effects of the Synthroid. And also at that visit with an endocrinologist, they discovered a nodule. And I didn't know what that was either. It was on the right side of my thyroid. They kept a close eye on it and it grew at a fast rate. By 2013, I had started causing compression on my esophagus and I was having a hard time breathing at night. So then what happened? I had a thyroid ectomy and the isthmus removed as well. And then almost immediately the growth started in the left side. So I'm yet to do a follow-up since being lectin-free to see how that nodule is doing. So I'll let you know. So I mean, you're an unmitigated disaster. And you're eating during all this time really hasn't changed. You're eating what you think is healthy. Did anybody or did you say, gee, could it be the food that I'm eating? No. Nobody looked at food. Nobody looked at me as a whole. Nope. And then so how did you find the plant paradox? Actually, my husband had seen a commercial first and he's very familiar with my illnesses and he came home to show me the video and he couldn't find it. Yeah. So he's very disappointed that he couldn't show me. But I found it the next day. It was a banner across the YouTube. Is this the food that is hurting you and then the smashed tomato that we're all familiar with? And I played the video and played it again and played it again and ordered the book and it came to the house and I did not get off the couch for two days while I read that book. Neon. And did light bulbs start going off? It went off and I knew it was the answer for me. Yes. So, alright, so you think you found the answer and you go, oh my gosh, that's me in there. There's people just like me and did you go cold turkey, lectin free or what'd you do? I went cold turkey and I did not have a problem with it at all. I came up with a plan. I knew that I had to open those pantry doors and I had three bags. One for trash, one for giveaway to my neighbor and one for return it to the grocery store and see if I can get my money back. Oh wow. Okay. So, that was my plan. It was a lot. Yeah. It was a major part of my diet. That's what I ate was grain and beans, non-pressure cooked beans, zekeal bread. Oh yeah, zekeal bread. Yes. Cashew nuts, cashew cheeses. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, zekeal bread. It's interesting people and I you know I try to document this in all my books with research studies that have been done but sprouted grains are actually higher in lectin content than unsprouted grains and one of the interesting things is plant doesn't want its babies to be eaten which seems obvious but none of us think about that and the newborn baby, the little sprouted grain is actually at its most vulnerable and so the plant actually, the baby produces more lectins at that point to dissuade the animal from eating it and actually just as an aside, alfalfa sprouts are some of the most toxic foods that you can eat because of their incredibly high lectin content. Okay. So, sorry about that. Yeah, I was having it every day. Yeah. Yeah. With peanut butter. Oh, of course. Yes. Yeah. Yeah. And this is all healthy. Horrible. Yeah, this is all healthy for you and you're going, I am doing everything right and you know, I am the most miserable human being I know. I was. I just, I got to the point by the time I was 47, I just didn't want to be around anymore just questioning why I wanted to be here. So, at that point about right before I found the plant paradox, I was 47 and I had visited many doctors. I was seeing a pulmonologist. Right. The orthopedic for the pain in my knee and my hips had gotten so bad. Yeah, we didn't even talk about that. So, now you've got hip and knee pain? Yes. Yeah. So, I was dealing with that. I didn't think I was too old. Yeah. I didn't look it but I felt it. And the people saying, well, you're just getting old. They did. But I didn't want to accept it. I knew there was another option for me. So, the knee pain, the hip pain, visiting the orthopedic, the pulmonologist still for the phlegm. Yeah. The endocrinologist again right before I went plant paradox and they did another endoscopy and that's when they found a stomach polyp. Gotcha. I have that. One, a single stomach polyp. So, that kind of scared me a little bit. I've seen a rheumatologist. So, I got an official diagnosis of fibromyalgia and prescription for more medication. I think the gabapentin. Mm-hmm. Yeah. Yeah. It didn't. And what did the gabapentin do for you? It made me very dizzy and nauseous. I just wanted to lay around. I didn't like that. I think I took that twice and I said, this isn't for me. I have to find another option. So, what, okay. So, you went cold turkey. I did. And so, what happened? What is the first thing you noticed? Great things. No more mucus. How fast did that happen? Immediately. Yeah. I'm extremely lect and sensitive. I can smell a white glass of wine and I have mucus formation. Neat. Yes. Yes. I can detect when the restaurant is lying to me. Immediately, I know that that's not olive oil. The mucus formation happens. And so, right away, no mucus. I didn't have to blow my nose. I wasn't going through a box of tissues a week. Wasn't clearing my throat, which allowed my throat to heal. So, no mucus. Wonderful. I could sleep at night. I wasn't having post-nasal drip within three days. Guess what? No more headache. Amazing. So, not just the headache. When you deal with fibromyalgia headaches, it can be very ocular and the face pain that I was having. So, into my cheekbones and my sinuses. All of that that I was dealing with within three days was gone. Yes. Now, this has got to be a placebo effect. You read a book that says everything's going to be fine if you stop eating these things. And lo and behold, everything was fine. It was. It did exactly what you said it was going to jail. So, but you've obviously tested on yourself. So, when a mischief food enters your mouth, maybe at a restaurant for instance, you're, you can, you know instantly. Instantly. Instantly. Yes. And so, you're not, you're sure you're not crazy? No. That you, this isn't, you're making this up. I'm not crazy. I've even tested it. And my husband will vouch to be in a restaurant and then call the waiter over and say, I need to know if this is not olive oil. Yes, it's olive oil, ma'am. It is olive oil. I need you to check on the bottle. And he comes back and he says, no, it does say it's a blend. It's a blend of olive oil and canola oil. And my body detects that. It's, it's great. I'm glad I have this built-in system. Now you're glad. Yes, now I'm glad. It's, it's very beneficial. I think everybody should eat the elective free lifestyle. Well, I think that's a really, that's a really good point. And maybe we'll stop for a minute and talk about that. A couple of years ago when the plant paradox came out, I was lecturing at Harvard on actually nerve health and brain health. And one of a distinguished professor said, well, you're saying that everybody should, you know, eat elective free. And I said, yes, that's correct. And he said, well, what's, what's wrong with the advice that everything should be eaten in moderation? And he said, isn't that a better argument? And I said, well, I have nothing wrong with that if you want moderate arthritis, moderate heart disease, moderate dementia. Great. And I said, but do you really want, you know, moderate arthritis and heart disease? Of course not. No. And I think what's, what's really interesting, you're obviously what I describe as a canary. Yes, I am. And the canary in the coal mine. Yes. And, you know, bless you for being a canary. My canaries have taught me most everything I know about all this. Yes. So you guys react to these things, lectins, instantaneously. So you feel the things that I and now others have suggested are going on in all of us, but we just unfortunately don't feel them the way you do. Correct. And we could use the word clairvoyant. I don't think that's right, but you, you, you feel these things. I call it hypersensitive. Yeah. Yeah. I think that's a, that's a great way. Yeah. And I think what, what you guys have taught me is particularly now with really modern blood tests, looking at leaky gut, looking at inflammation, looking at what's happening in the brain, on arteries, we can see that when we take lectins away from people, that we can, even if they don't feel the difference, most people do, but even if they don't feel it, we can see it on a blood test. I'll give you a quick example. Yesterday, we, I saw a woman actually in her, in her late sixties who had Hashimoto's thyroiditis. She doesn't anymore. And we do this test called a pulse test and I have no relationship with them. PULS that really looks at markers for your chance of a heart attack in the next five years. And one of the markers I've written about is called IL-16. And IL-16 is an autoimmune attack on the inside of our blood vessels. I've given two papers that I suggest that it's lectins that cause this. And when lectins are taken out of the diet, we see IL-16 drop dramatically. And so this woman we're looking at her pulse test and her score for having heart attack in the next five years drops in half. And we compare her first one with this one and her IL-16 drop dramatically. And I said, look at that. Your risk of having a heart attack went from remarkably high. Six months later, you now have minimal risk of a heart attack. Did you, you know, and you didn't feel the fact that your risk for a heart attack went down. That wasn't evident, but we can see it on a blood test. So bless you for teaching all of us number one that you're not crazy and that you're just, you know, you're really good. You're a Geiger counter. I am a Geiger counter. Yes. Yeah. Okay. So you, okay. So now all of a sudden, so the headache cleared. Yes. So after three days, the headache cleared and then a week that gave my throat enough time to heal. I didn't have the raw throat anymore. So that was a bonus for me to not have to deal with that soreness. And gosh, I remember the day three months later. This is so exciting. I'll never forget this day. I went to clip my nails and I had a wonderful, beautiful line of demarcation across my fingernails. And I got to looking what kind of confused me at first. I'd never seen anything like this before. I could see the dead tissue up front and the new healthy shiny tissue in the back. And so I looked down to look at my toes and I saw the same thing on my toes. That's when I knew my gut was healing and my microbiome was thriving. So I ran downstairs to tell my husband look, look, look, this is barking. I'm going to do this the rest of my life and I was so excited to see that. That was healing. That was proof for me. Was he excited about that? Oh, he is so excited. Yes. He's been very supportive of me always especially with the plant paradox. I couldn't have done this without him actually. He sees the difference especially when at the point of being lectured free. After the thyroid supplementation I think I added about six months into being lectured free. I could just still feel that pain in my throat and I knew I needed some thyroid supplementation. So I had implemented some supplements and then after I did that really the depression lifted to have the support that I needed for thyroid. And he was excited to see that change in me, the depression a little more friendlier and just all around a better person to be around so it really affects you when you're sick. It's hard what you can put people through. Well and pain is one of the most depressing things there is particularly if you don't see a light at the end of the tunnel. Alright so you see the difference. We talked before off camera one of my kind of favorite teachings from Hippocrates was about this green life force energy. Yes. And you obviously as hokey as it sounds have experienced this green life force energy. Yes. So fascinating to feel how your body can feel when you remove the internal forces that are causing the damage to your body to have that energy to feel so powerful and I felt powerful and I blogged about my power and I'll never forget the day that I wanted a bicycle now. Huh I have energy let's go do this. So we got a bicycle and I posted about that too. So yeah because you didn't want to get on a bicycle because you didn't have any energy to get up and go. Yeah so yeah the green life force energy was with me and I loved it. You know it sounds hokey and I even as I was writing about it in the plant paradox I said boy this is really hokey it's so touchy feely California but you know Hippocrates actually you know who was the father of medicine and he I learned from him that the disease begins in the gut and all disease ends in the gut. But again I think it's worth mentioning for people who haven't heard this or haven't read the book Hippocrates said that all creatures have this intrinsic desire ability for perfect health that's part of our nature and he called it the green life force energy that's the translation from Greek and he felt that there were external forces that were preventing this expression of green life force energy and that a physician was supposed to find what those external forces were and remove them and once those forces were removed that the body the green life force energy would heal you know the body itself and so a physician was just supposed to be a detective and I think if there's one thing that I've taken to heart thanks to people like you is I'm just a detective and you and everybody who's listening to us has the power to heal themselves once we get these little mischief makers away from us. Yes those invaders. Alright so you start a blog to tell everybody hey guys this is actually works. I was just posting some food and before I knew it I was an inspiration to others and they were telling me you know you make this so much easier you're so inspiring thank you for all of your videos and everybody knows I like to include music with my little stories and so I just make it fun and I don't ever claim to be the best cook but I really I love everyone everyone knows that about me and just try to inspire others to stick with this because it really is life changing. Are you a musician or are you just like music? No I just like music. I think when I'm in the kitchen cooking for a long period of time music or a Dr. Gunnery podcast helps pass the time so no and I like to make my videos fun so I always include the music yes. So what are your favorite lectin free recipes you got Annie? I do I think one of my favorites is one of your favorites so yes the mango green mango and pear salad oh yeah yeah the cabbage it's wonderful I love that one and so simple and basic the beginning is the the raw mushroom soup oh yeah yeah yeah yeah yes I love that one and one that I created myself you'll have to try this Penny I'll have to make this she's not gonna make it I'm gonna make it I created a recipe she's my prep chef is that right from the heart defense product the Gunnery MD heart defense product is wonderful to bake with Gunnery MD heart defense bars they're delicious it's on my website all right lectinfreecreations.com and have you instagrammed about that as well yes we have so we can find any other spot very good good so you work at a health food store now I do I work at the natural marketplace in Warrington, Virginia it's a wonderful magical store owned and operated by Shelly Ross for the last 30 years yes we're a wonderful organic health food store with clean supplements and an organic deli upstairs and a wonderful staff and you actually have a lectin free area that's correct Shelly is amazing and was very open and receptive to my idea when I came to her she was already familiar with Dr. Gunnery and the plant paradox she was using your products to yes so I told her my idea of what I wanted to do and of course she gave me thumbs up let's do it right away and I had to move some things around to make room for the lectin free groceries and I worked with our administrative staff she did a wonderful job at creating lectin free stickers to put on the shelf tags and ordered the books and was able to keep them in the store and work with the customers when they came in I worked personally with individuals we have a lot of sick people in Warrington with all of the same issues that I have so I'm very familiar with them all so of course anybody with those issues and there was a lot of them I was able to direct them towards the plant paradox show them the groceries somebody who's not in Warrington Virginia who wants to get some lectin free products into their health food store or even their grocery store how would they go about it how did you do this definitely every store has a grocery buyer I would contact that grocery buyer directly and take your yes list with you maybe even take the plant paradox book with you and tell them that this is a worldwide movement it's not just for me personally there are millions of people with success stories living the plant paradox lifestyle and I just request them they're willing to work with you to bring in the compliant groceries and I would also I've already done this I'm talking with Thrive Market please put a lectin free tab in your search engine good for you so everybody out there needs to contact Thrive Market and you bring up an interesting point this is not conjecture there are millions of people who have the book who follow this so this is not little Gina in Warrington Virginia or the person who's walking into a grocery store in Des Moines, Iowa and this is a huge movement and good for you for pushing it thank you okay I know you've done this but people write you or question you how do you start implementing this definitely can somebody do this without having four trash cans and stuff yes but it's very important to read the book as a whole so that you can understand why you want to do this if you don't read the book you're going to be asking food bloggers what can't I have in phase one well did you get the book so it's very important to read the book in its entirety to get your why and then once you have your why it's easier to stay with program and then also to really it helps to blog about it to journal about it so get your journal and take photographs so take photographs of the things that you're hoping that will change I wish I had done that for instance my eyebrows people with Hashimoto's are missing the third outer part of their eyebrow and I have that it came back so I had a lot of thinness in my scalp I'm starting to grow back as well now at my ferritin level is that a normal range I would have taken better photographs of my skin the before and after and you have gorgeous skin and you're trying to tell me that this was not you of a few years ago no absolutely not I had deep creases on both sides of my cheeks really that ran several inches and the age spots a lot of the age spots are gone now age spots go away yes you're actually de-aging that's right yes I have been told I see and you literally had cystic acne yes so I'm dealing with the scarring I'm using a derma roller right now and some vitamin C repair serum I mainly had it in my chin area it didn't affect me in my cheeks but I'm dealing with some scarring yes yeah great you're like Dr. Terry Walls who was in a wheelchair as a physician doing all the right things on multiple medications for MS and told well you have progressive MS and this is your life and now of course she can ride a bicycle and it's by eating 9 cups of vegetables a day and I've convinced her that those vegetables shouldn't have lectins in them and I think she and I agree about that but yeah this is you're a living example that there are foods that are killing you or at least making your life miserable and removing those foods gives you a home to life yes you follow other lectin free people for inspiration I do I love them all yes first everybody is wonderful they all have wonderful recipes I think some of my favorites of course are Nona Stewart, Plant Paradox Farmer Nona Nona is amazing until she decides to make a farmhouse cookbook I love her recipes I used to inspire her in the beginning now she inspires me we've become pretty good friends Instagram friends and made a couple phone calls from Canada to Canada and then of course Ralph and Steve the Plant Paradox Boys or MYX Inc always enjoying seeing their travel photos and of course then a lectin free mama of course wonderful website with tips for beginners great recipes that are simple and easy I followed her from the beginning I enjoy making many of her meals and then of course some lectin free gourmet, Christine look what she's done with all of that sourdough bread she's got going on over there I can't wait to get into that when I get back home right? the community obviously keeps growing and growing this is a movement and it's real and the wonderful thing if I look back it's like all of you guys who have embraced this I give you guys so much credit for okay I'm not going to keep this for myself I'm just going to help others and obviously that's why I changed my career to do this because think about all these sites now all the people you're helping and that this is something that people can do it takes some work but I tell people you're going to hate me for two weeks and then you're going to probably start liking me but it does take some work and it takes for me to do it was a leap of faith it's like okay everything's out I'm going to do this but the neat thing particularly for you three days your mucus is gone what's with that I wrote about a guy who helped his wife it's actually in the plant paradox she had rheumatoid arthritis and after her first pregnancy and knew there's no way she was going to bring a baby into this world while on these immunosuppressant medications so we worked with her her husband was incredibly supportive and very vigorous, virile guy and he says okay I'm all in we're going to eat the exact same way saw them after six months and she I've written about her she just had another beautiful baby and was never flared but he comes in with the first visit and he says hey doc you know I've lost 15 pounds I didn't need to but you know I'm so buff now but I've got to tell you I've had chronic sinus congestion all my life I've had my sinuses ablated I've taken antibiotics and that was just me I've got to tell you and you should tell people your sinuses will clear up actually I know that and he says no no no you should really tell them the sinuses clear up you're right your sinuses will clear up I do however think that I'm one of those your canaries that shouldn't have sheep or goat cheese as well I'm glad you brought that up we now have these cool testing for dairy sensitivity among other things and there are a subset of my patients who react to casein A1 they react to casein A2 and they react away and just throw it out you're probably one of the reactors don't there's no human need for cheese as you know in an interesting book years ago that women there's these really cool opioid like compounds in cheese that go right particularly to women's brains and go happy happy happy happy and so there is an addictive quality of cheese just like there is an addictive quality to bread because of the same it's called morphines caseinomorphines just give cheese the boot it's okay okay we have got to wrap it up but in the meantime you have some questions for me alright let's hear it alright so it turns out that I'm homozygous for the MTHFR gene mutation or variation the mother effort gene does that mean that I am or can be more lectin sensitive than somebody that's heterozygous or non-carrier you know I a lot of people particularly who write in this area want to kind of blame everything that's ever happened to them whether it's depression anxiety addiction on the fact that they're either homozygous or even heterozygous for the MTHFR mutations there is some interesting evidence that if you look at family histories of these mutations particularly for the double mutations that there is an increased anxiety depression ADHD, bipolar, schizophrenia and drug abuse and alcohol what's cool about this is you can fix this with methyl B12, methylcobalamin and methylfolate and one of the things I keep telling people you got to get the sublingual form of methylcobalamin so many people with this mutation also lack what's called intrinsic factor that allows you to absorb B12 from your intestines if you put it some way well it'll bypass it and I measure B12 levels in every human being every three to six months and I know exactly who are the ones who are putting it under the tongue I know exactly who are chewing it or sucking on it I know exactly who's swallowing it and when we actually make them put it under their tongue their levels come up thank you for telling me that because I chew on it put it under your tongue and it'll actually make a difference it's fascinating so my dad died at 49 of heart disease so since I carry both genes the MTAJFR I imagine he had the one that leads you susceptible to heart disease but again it's fixable so this is a good news thing this is a fixable problem yes okay my next question is when how how a living and free lifestyle affect the stomach polyp so we've had actually a number of people with not only stomach polyps but gallbladder polyps and they knock on wood have resolved with going left and free don't have a time period for it we see most people with polyps totally different subject have very high insulin levels and you may have never had your fasting insulin level measured but insulin is one of the biggest drivers to polyp formation particularly in the colon or in the stomach so let's see what happens you don't have to go have your stomach polyp removed you should because of the potential for polyp to have precancerous changes you should at least watch this and maybe even have a biopsy of it but we're not dispensing medical advice on this program alright what supplements would you recommend to help me with the only issue I still have left so I have a little bit of muscle cramping in my calves and my feet and muscle recovery issues and I've tried doing the magnesium and potassium and the branch chain amino acids and have you even used the magnesium oil spray and that doesn't help you most people who are getting muscle cramps who go on our program are doing it because they're eliminating simple sugars and one of the interesting things is we store sugar in our muscles in the form of glycogen and when we eliminate sugars from our diet which the plant paradox does we use up all the glycogen in our muscles and the glycogen is stored with a water molecule and it's stored with magnesium and with potassium and so those actually leave with the glycogen and so when somebody calls me or one of my patients says oh my gosh I've got the worst cramps in my legs at night and it's waking me up and I'll go this is great news you are following the program and they look at me like what do you mean I'm having cramps and I say yeah you're actually eliminating sugar from your diet one thing to think about is you can actually you don't have a weight problem you can actually add more resistant starches and now some more sorghum and see if that helps you and even particularly into your evening meal see what happens with that I'll let you know all right well listen I can't thank you enough for coming all this way it's my pleasure and thank you for everything you're doing people need to know and particularly I get on my horse women need to know that the you guys aren't crazy these are real things and you've got to keep asking for why is this happening to me and you've been through the gamut of all these specialists and I know from personal experience no one ever asked you about what are you eating and so you've got to find someone who will listen to you and if nobody will listen to you then go to your Instagram go to your website and go to all the other sites and we're all in this together and thank you and all your other fellow bloggers for doing all this you're welcome bigger things to come exactly this is truly a movement yes it is a movement it has to come it's not going to help us insurance companies are not going to help us medical schools are not going to help us and certainly the drug companies are not going to help us so good for you so that's it I hope you enjoyed this and 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