 I think we are good to go fellas and here we go. Yes, we are Alan. We've got it three. We finally got the last member of the holy triumvirate or should I say triumvirate. Michael Levine himself is going to be a hot time in the city tonight with the mic on the show so very excited, very excited. Same here. So Gilmore and the best for last we had Gilmore Rick Emmett and now of course the best for last Mike Levine but don't tell the other guys I said that. I don't I'm glad you said it that way. They warned us that you might be the hardest guy to get in touch with. All right good news good news. Yeah great news. Allied Forces which was originally released in 1981 it was your fifth studio album well here we go for record store day June 12th and June 17th this will be the reissue of the Allied Forces box set the 40th anniversary on road sorry round hill records excuse me very exciting very exciting Alan what do you want to ask? There's my original copy. There it is. There's my original copy right here. Addict records. There's my new copy. Yeah that's what I want to see. That's what you know it's funny you know it's funny I opened this up today and it was Sesame Street the album inside. I go where did that come from? All right so there's some Sesame Street album with Triumph. It's nice it's rising in the stickball story. What part of town is quick Mike what part of town is this sculpture here it's in downtown? That's down by the Canadian National Exhibition the CNA down by the Lakeshore. Okay all right. Hey and I'm dressed like this because you're the guy who's supposed to wear all the hockey jerseys how come Rick Scott is on there? Well I was before. Is Rick still a Canadians fan? That's a good question I don't know. I think it was just an outfit because he was trying to you know I think we tossed for it I either was going to wear a jersey or he was going to wear a jersey. Do you still have all those jerseys like no matter where you were you always had the home team to jersey on? We sold some at the Triumph fan event for charity. Wow. Back in when for the Doctor of entry that was a couple of years ago I guess and donated some to the hard rock as well so I think I have like two left. So this you know my first Triumph album April 1st 1983. Sam the record man walked in I don't know if they were clearing this out because it was on attic or not but one of the best buys I ever made and what an album to be introduced to the band. I mean you know seven songs two instrumentals who can get away with that today? That's where there was vinyl and sounding good you know. Can you show us the box sets to show everybody what it looks like? Yeah that's what I showed you that was the cover of the box. What is it? Way about ten pounds with all this stuff you have. Oh man it's unbelievable I can hardly lift it. Do you want to give a rundown on what's in there or do you want us? There is there's so much stuff I can't remember what's in there but I'll tell you I'm going to go by memory there. I just got this the other day just got shipped to me because it's finally finished. So June 12th? Yeah it's a record story day quasi exclusive in Canada and the U.S. and Europe um inside you will have a ally forces picture disc of the original album which is really cool it's got a cut out so the label shows through and their data just shows through there is a double live gatefold album with triumph and Cleveland on the out from the ally forces through it there is a vintage replica of just the same book of the ally forces through a book there's also a beautiful huge kind of program of the band there's an essay in there going about song song by song with quotes from Rick Gill and Mike individually on each song you know vintage pictures all kinds of neat stuff and that there is a tour pass from the ally forces tour there is what else rick used to do a as you guys may remember i don't know if you're older than i forgot but he used to do a color cartoon feature in hit parade or magazine oh that takes me back rock tunes so there's he had three cartoons from that era that never got published by hit parade or so they're in there okay there's a handwritten lyrics for three songs there's a single vinyl single from there's a ally forces to come from our upcoming release in the fall or late fall for early next year i'm not sure yet but it's a tribute album and so there's ally forces which is completed with a i guess all guest musicians all la base and and and and what's on the other side magic power from a show we did an auto one that's never been released before from the ally forces tour and i think that's it but i don't ever miss it it doesn't matter it's really cool you just you know to try it fans i think we'll just salivate over everything the live in cleveland right that's from the king biscuit hour is that correct yeah that's true that was originally a radio show that was a and they re the remastered that from what i'm reading here yeah i've heard it and yeah i'd love to have that remastered vinyl edition of that that'd be really cool yeah it sounds really hot it's really hot you know it was hardly barely touched it was really well recorded the band played really well um i'm i'm extremely proud of both the way it's right now i couldn't believe how much gil sounded like ten new jen when he told me to listen to that album it's true it's just like rambling on i'm like what is this the the nuge i don't remember i saw you guys a couple times at constant i don't i must admit i took a bathroom break or something when that was happening it was it was the bad drugs you were taking i'm too young for that you're never too young to take bad drugs but you know and again the you know blinding light show that was always a highlight for me each and every concert you guys did that was really a highlight for me and it would include it on this live album yep yeah it's gotta it's it's got a good set of tunes on it so uh you know it's again it's a double album gatefold you know neat pictures inside 180 grand vinyl um it's just uh it's really a nice piece so it's everything ally force and kudos sorry jeff i'm just gonna do a kudos here to andy curran of course of kony hatch you don't use the project manager and he put this all together so a big plug to him was a friend of the show here uh great job andy go ahead our any spectacular he got really dirty and dusty doing this like he crawled up in the attic above metalworks it was rolling around up there finding stuff which found so much great stuff it was unbelievable i stuff we didn't even know we had he found wow no but take us back to the time mike uh you know you've got progressions of power albums over now you're going into metal work studio right is this like one of the first recordings in the studio yeah we were the second band to go in the studio um even though it was ours but dug in the slugs did one of their albums in there which turned out to be the biggest album so so they were like experimental so we found out what worked there what didn't work what needed to get fixed and all that so um yeah but we were out too wow and what did it mean to have your own studio was that a comfort or was that a hindrance in the sense that oh you know now we're getting a little too i don't know i guess it happens i remember the tragically hip you know they they started recording in their own studio and then they became sort of i don't know if the word is complacent like there's no deadline so they could never finish the project did you have a little bit of that when you first had your own studio um not really what it did do though would allow us to take our time for sure because you know every album has a budget so when you have your own the biggest cost that i'd have to make an album was the recording studio so when you have your own studio we went okay we could go over budget that doesn't cost us anything so we weren't too worried about the clock which is always a good thing because when you the clock's taken you settle for things that maybe you shouldn't know um you settle for things anyway no one's ever 100 happy when now it's done but just the comfort zone uh was incredible because we could relax and not sweat it out we rehearse we could take the song and spend eight hours on it and go you know what and go back and just control and listen to it and go that's no good you know it's out they're just a race and it's things so you could do that and go you know hey no big deal we just did another tune so uh you know having to do a studio was like incredible it just like just made all the difference i think you could tell by the album well let's speak for itself i mean and a big and a big plug to metalwork studio which is i i guess that in list studio but it's the last studio standing the greatest studio in canadian history you know i mean just think of guns and roses and then you guys have a long list of you know achievements at that studio it's just a triumph albums and i don't have a list in front of me but i know it's long well it's everything from prince to uh bruce springsteen was in there drake did his first records there for the first three or four records you know just the the list keeps going you know okay the soundtrack for that for the uh the movie chicago you know with all those people that couldn't say get it you know it was it was done but there was a vocal coach to help them you know so they all hung out for weeks and weeks it's just it was a the list you know it's like 10 pages of a major league artist that's pretty over the year it's nice to hear and i don't i don't know something about this album i just love listening to it in the summertime much more than the winter time i don't know if it's just the power or it's one of those you know beautiful sunny days when i open all the windows in the house it's crank it up to 11 you know i want to turn my air conditioning on alan and put it to a level you got full for your love which you know again gill's voice i i could only appreciate it now at the time i was more of a rick guy but man like we brought up with our interview with him looking back and re-listing all the albums he had a great voice absolutely you know and that was great for the band because we had two great singers in the band so it was it gave a whole different kind of perspective instead of the same voice all the time ripping your head off you had two voices ripping your head off and magic power is that is that one of the larger that your your your biggest hits in the u.s it would be would it be magic power oh yeah you know what um i you know i i would say late on the line is the was the was the that's the song that really broke us an album radio in the united states uh 1979 it was everywhere you you couldn't find you you got sick of it it was played 120 or 130 rock rock radio stations countrywide america like 18 times a day wow so it was uh you know that song was still played constantly yeah you know i say magic power could it could be number two yeah yeah quite the good fight uh well it's uh it's amazing like every time i get in my car which isn't very often these days and i turn it off the radio between p107 here and boom i hear triumph it's unbelievable you know and i got to do cars so you know i tested out the disparity let's see if it's filled with water that was really fucking great the ally forces i mean that song just rips your head off oh yeah killer killer yeah you know i i gotta i gotta look at the tracks again i mean ally forces what a way to start off the album of course the air raid siren right at the beginning and why there's a question here from a fan and they're saying why was ordinary man never played live um that's a good question well it was either that or blinding light show because those two songs are long and down tempo and we were an energy band so you know it was and quite honestly blinding light show had you know a lot of up tempo stuff in it and it really got really heavy and it was a classic triumph song you know so ordinary man did very well you know radio wise and fad wise and all that but it was just from from a uh a straight concert point of view and keeping the show moving along and pacing and all that it just didn't didn't fit i wonder about the orchestration like a big chorus there's a lot of a lot of vocals going on there were you part of that me no they wouldn't let me sing they would let that in the back we'll get the rest of the guys even even live you know our friend a house next to harry witt's you know would come to me after a show the boys the boys asked me to leave you you leave your microphone in the monitors but you're singing and they just turned you off that's right i could hear myself but nobody else can hot time in the city tonight that's just sure rock and roll you swear that came out of the 1950s right yeah that's like a chuck berry kind of thing you know we didn't really rip chuck off but um that it's uh you know it's just a straight ahead rock and roll boogie away you're going you know rock you know high energy all the way well how did the songs okay you could tell like when there's a vocal by rick was that was he the guy who started that seed that first idea and then the whole the rest of the band worked on the song how did the songwriting process for the album go you know it depends sometimes it was uh you know rick would come in and he'd have a completed song pretty much you know but then we had to take it from an acoustic guitar to voice and make it a triumph song and so you know a lot of changes went on sometimes on those kinds of things so other saw other timeskill and rick could sit there and then ash away on something and figure out some uh like fool for your love that you know the the head the opening guitars and stuff you know kyl would say to the rick that rick would play you know but he goes no that's not that's not it but you know try to move your hands here i didn't think though there was a lot of interpersonal relationships so to speak going on then i come in i tell you guys you know you were way out of base there you know what you saw deeds is this this is this so you know there was collaborative efforts uh you know sometimes sometimes it wasn't so much on the collaborative we interviewed rick i think he was all nervous because the name of the show is the metal voice so he got all nervous and but he did like the song that you know he was really thankful that you guys you and gail gave him the space that what he said to explore his little side trips you know and to do these types of classical pieces or blues pieces like suitcase blues and he was very appreciative of that and so you know do you always have that was like a maybe a highlight or just something that was interesting his little acoustic pieces that maybe wasn't being done from other bands well it was it was unique for a rock band a heavy rock band to to have an acoustic piece either live or or in the studio on an album and it it it's like an ear break almost it just changes everything you go you know you come out of a heavy duty ending on a song and all of a sudden you got whittly dwindly going on nice and quiet and peaceful it's it's it's pretty it was me you know and it was great live when we did a when you know we just they cool down rick who's going to school lasers on him you know a little spoke he just sat there and playing you can hear a pin drop in a you know 18 000 seat arena and people would pay attention because you know it was on the record too it wasn't just we're trying to fill space you know mike that's what a lot of sort of the young folks who are trying fans today they don't they don't know about that triumph went out and headlined what almost all the time it small medium or large shows they're all you guys are always headliners yeah except for some after you know select outdoor shows obviously you know can you speak to that a little bit that that sort of mentality we're gonna headline and that's it yeah well we made that decision you know we had we you know we were able to do it because we're stupid and you know and headstrong and we don't care you know i don't care what we didn't care what people said you know oh you can't get across the border play in the states unless you do this oh yeah yeah yeah right we'll figure it out so you know we haven't used to have to say you know if you open the door in a little crack we'll drive two semis right through it but we're lucky we we owned our own sound and lights so we were able to um go and play without having that expense uh on top of you know everything else that you you got to pay for your road through your trucks and all that but by having the sound of lights enable us to headline that's an incredible story that's just an incredible story like i mean i've seen you of course at concerts you i mean you played the munchal forum i think it was the munchal forum yeah probably was and i think helix opened up on never surrender and what a show and what a package yeah um and again you guys were the first to have that major stage production i guess i guess of course kiss had that too right but you always went out big right yeah let's you know spend them big or sleep in the streets we always say but it's bigger the better you know it's like no holds burden when we had a look some extra money we buy more stuff you know it's like okay we got an extra $10,000 sitting here what are we gonna do with it you know do we buy you know do we get lasers do we uh you know have three more flash pots if we are talking heads during the thunders 7 tour you know yeah that whole thing you know it's like you know what do we do with the money because all the money went went back in the show you know period so that's uh you know we had a an eight truck production that we fit into four trucks and that was you know that helped too you know gill was really great at putting that stuff together and working with the lighting designers and the trucking companies and figure it out you know how to how to fit everything in because you know half the time you know we go to bed like we a lot of friends that make police gardens and you know so i go down sometimes earlier today and watch to watch the trucks unload you know for my favorite fans and that and get to hang out and you know i watch all these trucks back in and they're only half full oh it's like they come out the trucks 10 minutes later it's empty and when the next one backs in they got 30 trucks coming in you could have done this with four trucks sitting around there like those probably the same bands and say let's just rest studio space and we'll just ride inside the studio you know well we don't we don't go in with anything you know a lot of fans just had managers the managers get paid on the on your grosser and it's not on your net so the manager would you know would you would spend all their money for them and then they go where's all the money oh you had 18 trucks yeah after we need 18 trucks the manager goes i don't know but you did you know that that just just blows my mind about triumph you guys were efficient the model that people are using today is efficiency right because nothing is nothing's full blown nobody could afford it but you guys were doing that efficiency model back then which which just blows my mind and you know what kudos to you uh mic because you're sort of like the unsung hero like you got gill and rick fighting for that spotlight but you're the guy holding it all together as the producer right yeah as as as the backbone so i mean tell us about your you producing triumph over the years i would say you know somebody had to do it i had some experience when the band started i was really the only guy that has spent a considerable amount of time in recording studios at that point either in bands really a long time before triumph or you know i worked for a record label and you know spent a lot of time in the studio with some really heavy-duty people in new york and learned a lot you know it's it's i you know i'd like to sponge like learning is the key you know and you listen to what people have to say when they're when they you know groveled their way from the bottom to the top and beating some of these guys that you know the greatest songwriters in the world and it's the greatest engineers it's not you know it's like my body we just sit and talk to them and they share their experiences of you know they ask me questions they give you a real answer so i learned by watching how good producers would handle musicians on the floor and handle engineers in the control room and just make things happen keep things flowing and put a stop to things when they're getting out of control so i was you know i was lucky enough to have that experience and i certainly learned a whole lot more with triumph because uh it was you know we spent way more hours probably on the first two albums that i had ever had in the studio combined so it was uh it was everything was a learning experience and we know everybody distributed but the good news is that somebody always has to have a final say and that always fell to me and say okay yeah that's fun let's put it to bed rick you can't put any more guitars on it rick that solo is fantastic no we don't need any more guitars rick hill we don't need to try any more vocals the perfect way it is i love it no you can't say good again go on to the next one someone's got to put the hammer down somebody's got to be a lot but every album was when it came time to for mastering which you know we had deadlines we had release dates when we're getting close to getting finished the record company called from new york and say when you know we can be the release date we have to set it up okay and i said give me the delivery day to be to have the masters and the lackers and you know to go to the pressing plants and the stampers and all that stuff i get a date and i have to live with it so more times than not i'd be up at getting on a plane to new york at like six in the morning because by midnight the stampers the mastery had to be done the lackers sent over to the place it was making the stampers and they had to go to the pressing plant yeah so it was uh uh that was not fun because again it's like you had to mix so the mixing we always like very very special time so and that but the mastery you know i got to work with the greatest mastery engineer in the world bob Ludwig for albinova albinova keeps telling me that albinova was the greatest he never worked past five o'clock but for me he'd stay until it was done oh wow yeah he was great he was definitely amazing yes i because i bring up 222s he needed he needed after you couldn't buy him because i had coding in and you couldn't buy him as american he could only buy coding in in in canada is that it over the yeah the those you know the 222 you know whatever i can remember they call it a cnc down or something yeah no i remember i remember i remember uh okay so i know there's okay there's a documentary that everybody knows about that it's going to be coming out soon but what about this tribute album are you allowed to speak to that um i can only speak a bit because it's still in production but uh my clank guns and roses uh first album uh motley crue white snake uh you know you can find clink's name on a million at triumph you can find his name on a lot of albums so uh we were talking with him we since we you know we talked pretty steadily over the years and and we're talking about maybe doing a tribute out so uh clank you can produce it but you know you you're the guy who's got to wrangle all the uh all the tributes you know it's not going to be our job to do that and the record company bought it and gave us a budget to do it so clink's been slowly you know amassing the talent and doing the getting the tracks done so again it's been recorded la there's there's gonna be some great guest artists on it you're a great musician so it's like that it's gonna be a really cool project what it's done is there a timeline for it is there a well the record company wants it yesterday but that's not happening so uh you know everything like like everything got delayed with covid you know you couldn't get people at those studios were shut down for too much in la nobody even after that didn't want to go in this studio unless they you know you know but we kind of put the parameters on that everything you know social distance no more no more people that had to be in the in the entire complex would be there you know so we're able to assure the guest artists that uh uh you know it was it was covid safe yep yep and the Strongs are always so strong with triumphs I mean I can't wait to hear this album because this you know hey when you got a strong song anybody can do it right yeah we do you know our only parameter from a band point of view is don't do it like we did it do your own take on it we don't want to hear somebody just copy what we did and might as well just send you the band tracks or put a vocal on it kind of thing you know we want an interpretation would be great and and a lot of a lot of the money they should have made money is going to a charity called music cares and that's good um it's it's a huge huge organization that supports you know artists in trouble and uh you know everything it's it's kind of like a charity we have here called unison that is you know supports industry people that are on after having a hard time that's good especially now you know everybody from a roadie to a record company guy or an ex-record company guy so it's you know we were helpers money for for those and then and then in states it's music care the biggest question that's asked by triumph and it's non-stop you probably get asked every day we asked rick we asked gill why let's just clear this up now the reunion why is the band not going to be playing any more live gigs i mean what what did my partner say i don't remember but i call bullshit on that one well i think and again from memory because it's a few months back i think what they told us was it's just you know it we're just doing other stuff now and it was just sort of left at that we're just going to be pursuing other avenues we just don't want to play live anymore i i don't know you know what i i think we're we're um you know when we got back together in 2008 and did the sweden rock festival and the rocklahoma thing there was a tour planned around after that because we the three of us figured you know what we get getting the lie we're laughing uh you know we're playing good uh you know let's think about a tour so you know basically promoters and agents who went to work and had dates booked uh across canada and a ton of the america then the recession hit and it was bad news you know that we just went uh-uh that's just like uh two views was high risk a lot of acts just canceled tours and we were one of them although we hadn't gotten to the point where tickets were on sale or any announcements but we had talked about doing it and we were ready to go but after that you know if it took three years four years with them for the industry to really come back where we we would have felt comfortable and by then you know kind of the shine had worn off the anticipation of doing that because it's a huge commitment of time and money too uh to to stage that it would have taken it basically a year a year and a half out of our lives and over the years everybody was doing something different you know so uh to commit that about a time to a triumph tour at that stage in 2008 yeah we were we were hot and happy and we're into it you know we had the energy enthusiasm you know three four five years later 2013-14 it was like uh I can't really do that it's not a great idea yeah rick in our interview with him was he was basically retiring from the from the road and he teased I think us a little bit about maybe when this documentary come out there might be something happening and yeah maybe you know it's like but it won't be anything that that is will be expensive so to speak you know never say never right that's right that's a good quote to apropos if you say here in Quebec so to speak yeah as we once wrote as we once but you know going back to the live album listening to it I mean anybody that knows me I could talk about Rick Emmits guitar playing in his vocals all day long but uh Gil I mean he's singing and he's not just playing at Charlie Watby this guy's all over the drum set it just it's amazing to hear everything that the fills that are going on while he's pitch perfect yeah that's not an easy job to do but he took it on and it was great at it you know it's that's that's tough I don't know how he did it thank god I didn't have to sing that's all I know what about okay so what about the documentary where does that stand I know that's been of course of COVID it's been pushed back I mean is there any news now we're it's getting close to actually being it's just in the final stages we just approved all the uh the the credits at the on the on the exit from the film itself uh you know for a songwriting and who's who's what special thanks and who's courtesy of and all that stuff and I was in a studio with uh Sam Donner director and Mark Riccadelli the editor uh in downtown Toronto about I'd say three weeks ago and we ran through the audio all the audio uh corrections and you know just you know move it up here down there you know something should come up there and then they threw you know when I sort of signed off and said I think it's great I only got three comments they wrote it down so now again we have work to do but uh right now it's just a matter of my guess um laying all that into the final cut of the film and once that's done it's like let's print it boys it's finished so I say a couple of weeks it'll be it'll it shouldn't be done three weeks I'm really excited about that oh very excited and then we'll see where it goes so once you gotta finish work then it's a matter of okay what are we gonna do with it yeah yeah but it's it's a sensational film by the way it's sensational well yeah we can't wait to see it you know what triumph has been it's sort of like because you're not out there touring all the time it's become you guys have sort of become bigger in a sense right because of that sort of scarcity that that not being out on the road people are just catching on to the music generation after generation and there's just this demand I'm pretty sure that you get the demand is really high today oh that'd be cool I like live there's so many hammering at my window here so I'm gonna I'm gonna exit for a second all right don't worry take your time take your time we're used to this we get pee break solid we get everything oh yeah that was that that was uh who was that oh yeah that was uh Max Norman yeah a couple of he's back it's all good Mike it's all good it's all good I was uh go ahead go ahead no go ahead oh go ahead I was gonna talk about uh Wheel of Fortune what about it I just it just somebody wrote a comment and they go Mike was on Wheel of Fortune in the 90s I'm like what and then I remembered you were I don't know yeah you could tell Pat Sajik was a huge triumph fan oh yeah never registered right I'm only in triumph I wasn't supposed to say that that's why oh really yeah you're supposed to do low I I'm gonna kill these kids give me a second don't worry about it do you want a newspaper's description we're here selling girl guide cookie this is doesn't get more live than this hour this is live on the metal voice Mike Levine and renovations they're asking I'll look at some questions here will be on any streaming services and I don't think they're ready to answer that yet so you weren't supposed to bring up triumph on Wheel of Fortune yeah you're not allowed to say where you work or what you do you know you can say I'm a consultant or I'm a I'm a computer engineer but you can't say I work for Intel or something like that no no plugs are allowed I watched it and I could see that oh you work for a band you're part of some that's how we sort of he led the question right yeah part of some sort of bad not just any band try it what was that experience like anyways uh it was it was uh weird because you have to earn your way on the show it was um I'll just I'll try and keep this relatively precise but when we were on the road uh between six and seven o'clock for story or seven to eight I guess yeah between seven to eight o'clock east coast time was my time to rest before because I was the guy that ended up doing the radio stuff you know a day of show you know go from soundcheck to radio or radio to soundcheck back to radio and then end up at the hotel and I just wanted to clear my clear my brain out and so I'd watch Wheel of Fortune of jeopardy so um you know I just got to be it because it just took your mind to a different place so well I guess after my son was uh how old probably died or 10 years old I would always tell you know when you want to do something uh you put your mind to it and you can do it and he goes well you're really good at Wheel of Fortune why don't you why don't you go on Wheel of Fortune and I said that's too hard to do I don't even know how to even begin and he said well you just said why don't you try so we figured out that I you know we kind of slid but slid me into an audition through a friend at ctv that my wife did and but you had to go through the whole process with it was an amazing process about how they do it and select the contestants but you know I made the final cut and then they called me and said you know being we're doing the Christmas show on November or whatever it was and uh you'd be here kind of thing and I said what are you going to send me the plane ticket what will I tell you no no you're on your own die you know schedule the tour around it's a good while do you pay for like what's the drill what do you do well you got to sit in this room you can't talk to anybody all day until they call you wow some other contestants I said what about food oh we're a vending machine I said do you have to bring your have to bring your own quarters you said yep pack your own bunch the next you know Vanna White's walking out and I came in wearing wearing sweats yeah and you know said hi to everybody that was there all the contestants because they shoot two to weeks worth of children's play day right Vanna you got changed for a dollar can you buy me a Cadbury's bar I think it's pretty cool I think it's pretty cool I love jeopardy you know I'm a big fan of jeopardy so and I get it you're on the road and you want to just change what you're doing right you know it just just like I work every day me and Alan work we want to change what we're doing we do this right so that's true so that's that's how I ended up on on our wheel fortune but they did ask me they liked me there's the same crew doesn't they said you're interested maybe you're maybe going on jeopardy because they like me a lot I said no I said that's that's that'd be too embarrassing that's another level right yeah wouldn't work for me very well then they offered you let's make a deal you know that'd be a record company yeah um Alan do you have anything else on now I know you know what the closer on allied forces to say goodbye one of my favorite songs a deep track and I think it's I just I don't know I connect with that song and when it came out and I still one of my favorites today the keyboard's behind it that's what really I listen again today there's that's Mike doing that right Mike yep you're playing the keyboards yep yeah that's that that's the old Hammond b3 organ that's what it is are you a proficient keyboardist are you proficient no I'm I used to when I was younger I was proficient and then I decided I didn't want to take piano lessons anymore well because I wanted to go play baseball and football with my friends instead of practicing I was I was like um but counter for a grade for me in school you know it was the you know conservatory level and then with the day I stopped playing piano I never didn't touch it again I forgot everything I ever learned but you know I could hack around and be okay you know I was you're like more of a getty lee get more of a getty lee keyboard I was feeling one to ten I was a one or one and a half I think Gil's interview he goes I didn't want to be the singer they just nobody else want to do so I decided to be the singer that's pretty much it I mean unless Mike you have something else that you want to promote I'll promote anything there you go I don't think so I think I think we've covered all all the uh the triumph happenings pretty well what's going on there again you know we'll touch pace again with the band and you and everybody else and as things progress and new releases and new new information Allied Forces gonna be released the reissue on June the 12th and and you are the Canadian ambassadors right and and it's not a reissue right this is like a but this is the first box set we've ever done we'll call it a box set there you go a box set it's a reissue that doesn't matter that's just the same album of the different different ah there's the difference far from the same packaging that's for sure oh yeah oh yeah then I've already I've placed my phone called to my local record store and I've asked them if they're going to get a copy so it's already done that's that's the idea yeah by the way uh that's a good point because there's a limited amount of copies there's you know it's a limited edition basically so anybody that need is dying to have it you just do it I'll get it forward to your local record store and say hey you know I have a buyer you know make sure you get some stuff yeah make those calls early because it's coming back so yeah what about this Canadian ambassador ship I want to know more about this Canadian ambassador ship oh ambassador ship yeah that's where we get to where funny ads for walk around with those things and found them on the side well I could wear robes and all that now they they're every year they pick an ambassador um basically to uh go and you know to talk to the media I guess more than anything and uh and promote the record store a day which is a great thing and it's all about vinyl really you know it's like it's amazing like I had no idea how big this was there's like 500 stores in Canada a little bobbin pop independent record stores that are in business there's like because I've I don't know how many in America but the list is like unbelievable of how many stores there actually are you know which is great so people you know can go with an experiment and find like going to Sam the Record Man now and find out and you know I grew up doing that yeah we all did every every Friday night that's where we were I was Saturday and Sunday you know I bought this at Sam the Record Man I bought this at Sam the Record Man I'm pretty sure yeah so it's you know it's it's great I think record store day is a it's a great thing it's a great thing there's tons of deep products available too you know when you go to the record store day care at a website you'll find what they've got that's available that's going to be available in America the list is like I couldn't even get through I by the time I got through the A's I had a headache very simple very simple website to use just put in your your location and it'll pull up I think I had about 30 different stores some that even though existed right yeah that's right you put in your zip code or your area code and it's like it'll give you all the stores in the they're close by it so so it's it's pretty bad actually I have a last question are there any rarities like unreleased material triumph as sort of sitting like Andy Curran he was actually as he was digging through the attic he goes wait a second I found this tape from 1982 but you you must have talked to Andy about that right you didn't you slide devil no I didn't I didn't you could ask Andy just told me that he was working on this box set now that's all he said to me and I'm completely honest you could ask him all right well I'm just asking this he did under some stuff we didn't know he had so okay it's it's right a lot of it's live a lot of it's really good you know it's like pretty darn hot and heavy so look forward to something coming out that way over the next couple of years I mean this box set is enough for now I don't want to have to put out any more chronic for a while all the fans are hungry for it again one of my favorite bands of all times and I think I speak for many Mike we that's probably why Jimmy asked the question you ever get back because we're always looking to see our faves on stage and it was just to want to thank you for the great years of music it was a big part of my growing up and I'm glad to have the third member of triumph here on the metal voice finally so I'll give you my address and you can send me a check okay hey thanks guys it's great speaking with you thanks for your support and your kind kind words thank you so much for being on simply say say goodbye that's all say goodbye goodbye all right have a good one okay guys thank you