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All right here comes the show We were talking about basketball. He's oh, hey, what do you think about your partners in our fucking business? No It's actually a really interesting debate that we were having because he was he was trying to say that I mean he was trying to give me a compliment But it backfired on him because it also was in perfect alignment with our argument that we were just having a basketball And I'm such a team guy like I just in in life and business in and in definitely in sports And so the players that I'm most attracted to are not the most commercial players like my favorite player Is the team that makes you dream on or Iggy who comes off the bench like about these guys Well, but my point was that you know somebody on the outside looking in you know may think you know like oh Sal is this entire business or Adams this entire business and stuff And I say I don't I don't look at it that way and in fact many times It's the guy who you have no idea about that is the true glue or that really makes it work And so we were talking about that and he was like are you gonna try and say that you know Steph Curry is not the Warriors are nothing without Steph Curry and I said well I think Steph Curry is one of the greatest players ever play the game But I actually don't think he is the most valuable but he just freaked out I'm just like you want to know who I think and I say dream on he's like what and just like yeah because that guy That guy is humble enough to give the ball up to Steph all the time and that doesn't work all the time There's and so you got to keep that in in in perspective even when talking about a business where you have like four founders like this is like You may hear Someone who's louder like me all the time But imagine the the level of confidence it takes for Justin or Doug to allow me to be that personality or to do that You know, you know, you know where you see that most clearly is with Bands right because they're so Visible yeah, I mean the drummer for you know basis how many times that happened where a band they break up rushes And there's a lead singer lead singer gets a big head. Yeah takes off I'm gonna do this on my own and then fucking tanks loads and their next band is dog shit Yeah, people remember the lead singer that went off and did well, but that's like one out of 20, right 19 times They tanked right and it was and you know And it's not just the lead singer who all time gets a big head to sometimes It's the drummer who's jealous of the fame of the big sir and some and like that said something special about the drummer or the Bass player who's okay playing that role like listen I've I've met a guy who's got a beautiful voice and can do something I can't do and even if I am part of this synergy. I'm okay not being the guy Yeah, like you so that was like the discussion and we were talking about mine pump and then the Warriors The irony is For us none of us want it like really want to seek to be the guy if anything that's the least No, I would love to not to be the guy nobody I told him I said I said I would prefer I told him through that I was like there was a time when I remember at the meeting where I told I tell who I told you guys who everybody was You know and I said, you know, I didn't put myself as Steph Curry or the guy who everybody else thinks is the best guy Like I dream on that's because of who I am like that's I like that person Personality better and I'm okay. Not if the whole world doesn't think that I'm the best or I'm the reality is too if for every You know Kobe Bryant or whatever. There's a team owner or billionaire Nobody knows that's the real fucking It is and I was made that's the case I was making is Organizations and leadership and like people just they get so caught up in the the fame of the person who gets all the The hype and the attention it's like Steph Curry and they all don't work if it's not for Steve Kerr Doesn't work if it isn't for Bob Myers who's the owner and like it's a top-down It's so rare to have a team that really works that works well when they succeed. Yeah, you know I'm saying when they're really crushing It's hard to find a team that really works and that it's you know It's in this is why I love good team sports is there's this movement and his generation and younger that look at MBA because in the last two decades the MBA began building what are called super teams This has never happened before in the history of basketball We're big big players the best players on the team started trading up to be all on each other's teams And getting meeting afterward and that didn't happen for them in the back in the Jordan days. There's Jordan There's Larry there's magic right and they stay with that team their whole career Yeah loyalty and the other and they're like that where now it's like buddies guys are like Let's get together and we'll go win a champ and the best of the best is adding on the ending other guys That is that work so it does sometimes work I didn't know worse a lot actually because they are so good But every once in a while you have a team like the Warriors who who are far they built their guys They were 19 year olds that we developed in and a culture none of them are I mean they've become superstars But none of them were bought and they were built in our system and they win Yeah, and plus if you look at it like from this standpoint like you get that superstar, okay? Which they exist how rare is that to find and combine the right ones or? Your odds of having a superstar and then having a team that supports it and all works together really well And you see this your odds are better right now you've seen this in the NBA right now You're seeing it with the the Nets That have done that they've gone out and got three massive egos and superstars You see that with the Lakers this year They've gone out done that is that's the team that the new way of the NBA is like go find Three all-stars put them all on the team and see how they work out And it's just rare for it to really mesh well because they're all used to being the superstar And that it takes a very special person to be a superstar But it also be able to be okay to taking a backseat you ever read about like effective like like these What are they called Navy SEALs or Army Ranger groups the real effective ones if you ever read about how they do operations? They sometimes someone else will lead everybody else gets behind and they know they work together It's not like this big ego thing. No, and it works and it works like understanding. Yeah It's like the group mind is that group flow that that you know We've we've heard all the time like Steven Kotler and all them, you know kind of bring up Yeah, if you can get into that group flow you have even more of an advantage over like somebody that's an individual It's so funny to me because so many people say they want to win But do you really but yeah, but they they care more about themselves winning Exactly like they want to win really I want to win How many people would rather be on a third-place team, but be the best person on that team then be on a first-place team But be like the third best person well So did you hear did you hear when he was he was leaving? That's what he was teasing me about was like Adam would rather lose But play the game well and and be a loser then then then win He misunderstood you didn't he well actually you're more likely to win. Well. Yeah more, but there's truth to that like I would I would rather Play the game in a pure way and the way that I think it should be played as a team Then to go out and buy three of the best guys and ride their coattails And there's no real chemistry going on. It's just that you're so good. They dominate like I would rather lose But be great together and and and enjoy that because I'm a purist in the game And so yeah, he was making fun of me because of that I'm just like that's the difference between you and I like that's and that's the reason why you're broke right now That's why you're borrowing your mom's car bro the cold shade Hey Doug I sent you a clip good sport though, I want you to pull this up I don't know if you're familiar with this guy Justin, but he was a Russian kettlebell Juggler oh Yeah, he's so so strong. Yeah, he's so strong. It doesn't make any sense. I think I've seen this guy bro Is what's his name? It's Valentin de cool. What is it? Valentin Valentin de cool watching him do this is actually made me remember when Justin I were doing that toss back and forth I think it was his videos. Yeah, he juggles. These are 75 kilo kettlebells Okay, so what is that 160 pound kettlebells or something like that something like that really what he's juggling? 75 kilo kettlebells and look at yeah, I don't know if you need a fast-forward dug to the part where he's actually Messing with them, but he's like this famous This is 1985. Oh, yeah, he's the same guy that does the it's almost like a I mean It's like a cannonball. Yeah, basically, but it's like yeah 200 pound maybe maybe this isn't the guy cannonball He does these like tricks like you like you'd seen some performers do where they have like a ball and they kind of roll across their shoulders That's 75 kilos bro. That's like 100 160 pounds in each hand and he's just thrown around like they're Like the 20 pounders. It's insane to me. Yeah, how strong some people can be with their yeah here It is. Yeah, this is the same guy That's like you know how heavy that thing is That's like a hundred and thirty up like it's like one of those balls at Chuck E cheese or something Yeah, and he's like catching it on his neck. That's sick. Yeah, you know, I love it's the I really really You know how crazy that move right there is where he's like throwing it up over his head, you know, you if you look at that That barbell right there's two hundred and something pounds that he's swinging around his body like that You know I'm saying well imagine the course doesn't make a half Well, imagine wrestling this guy, you know, I mean you show up to his house You can take his daughter out and do anything like that like a little baby Did he actually do obviously this is probably obviously his main gig But did he you play a sport or do anything to express the kind of strength? Well, this was it He was a circus strong man. Now remember Russia. He's Russian Russia has a long history of these types of kettlebell Athletes and strength athletes. I don't know how much he's about to deadlift right here I think it's some insane amount of weight I've never seen anybody perform though like strength feats like this is so unique. Yeah, I don't look like you know a regular Circus performance, you know, he has like all this performative act with it, you know, not just like oh, I'm lifting heavy You know I'm struggling through weights It's like he makes it seamless and smooth makes you feel like like, you know, you have no strength at all Yeah, Doug, what's do we know how much he's deadlifting or about to lift right here? Is there is there any way to put subtitles on there because? Let me see here. There may be some details in here Yeah, let's look it up because he's doing these feats of strength and you know, it's funny if you look at him He's not like bodybuilder ish or whatever. No, but he looks strong. Yeah, you could tell. Yeah Like if I seen this dude at the beach You don't want to kick sand on that Yeah, this guy's pretty pretty insane. So he break all your bones. You said this is Russia right here He's a rush. Yeah, he's Russian and he's so the story goes He's a circus acrobat and he start and he broke his back when he was 17 doing right there He's putting like a thousand pounds on himself right now. And then so many steps. Oh, is he doing a bridge? Yeah Oh my god. He said the pyramid. I've seen notes here And I don't know how accurate it is Yeah, the pyramid in the end is supposed to total 900 kilograms, which seems 8,000 pounds that's crazy. He's got 2,000 pounds on him right now holding a bridge holding a brow. Yeah, let's see you do that Brett Contreras Is he on his head He was he started like in a what is that position call? Wow, it's a bridge. It's like a full wrestling bridge insane. So let's listen to this right? So I pulled him up here. He's there's a video of him doing a 990 pound squat a 572 pound bench press and a 1,012 pound Deadlift Wow, I mean just insane. There's videos of him squatting a car So they'll put a car in a ramp and put on his back and then he'll squat it Wow, really crazy, you know, what's interesting about these these like strong men or strength athletes that did these kind of weird feats of strength is Because they often didn't compete in these like powerlifting or Olympic lifting federations Oftentimes their feats of strength kind of get lost to history Yeah, like as those numbers you just rattle off if he was like a competitor in oh, yeah I mean he would be very well known. He would those are some record breaking type numbers But but then they do lifts that you know, there's really no competition for like a bent press Well, like we did right there Bridge with a thousand pounds. There's no competition or juggling with 160 pound kettle bells Yeah, and what's cool about these people and I did this a long time ago. I remember years ago I bought a bunch of books. I can't remember the name of the site. It was like old school Strength or old school strong man. I remember it was and I was I was in my early 30s or late 20s And I had just read this article about Eugene Sandow, right? So he's the he's the the guy that they modeled the mr. Olympia Trophy out of right and I read about a bent press one arm bent preceded with over 300 pounds So for people who don't know what that is It's this modified one arm lift so you're lifting it in the air and It's one arm and it's a long barbell which requires balance and stability and ridiculous 300 pounds Before this old-time strongman. That's that's right bottom. Yeah before Protein powders creatine definitely before steroids and remember thinking I wonder if I could learn anything from these old You know strongman right like how did they train? What did they do? so I bought all these Obscure books that they wrote and I would read read about their training and one thing that I found in common is they all lifted weights Or did their strength sport or whatever? Frequently and they almost never trained to failure. They basically treated all their lifting like skill Yeah practice everything was a skill. It's funny because I you know looking at I had the same kind of Process where I looked back into history and was trying to see all the strongest guys and what they did and all that stuff And I think and I'm not sure that this kind of sparked it for me. It was pretty embarrassing actually that this was a thing but Back in the day when I had to go through all these like youth groups and church groups all the stuff They had like a strength street team You know that came in remember that with this like what? Book and they bend the bar with their teeth in the bar of the teeth they rolled like a Oh my god, I would have loved that You know and yeah, the whole thing is like this whole evangelist like sort of a you know I bet it's the same group of guys I saw that's interesting Yeah, you're nail and everything that they did for me, too I saw yeah, and it it's just kind of fight But you don't really see that anymore as a thing except for like on some stupid show like American What do you call it? America's got count talent. Yeah. Yeah, you'll see some of this kind of you know That's one of my favorite YouTube videos that we have when Sal taught us how to rip the phone book Oh, yeah, I love that dude. That was such an exciting day for me because I had you've seen I've seen that trick forever You know and the fact that it's definitely there's like a trick to it to be able to have the right technique Yeah, you also got to be strong and if you don't know how to do it You ain't gonna do you're never gonna do it I don't care how strong you are and so it's like that's why it's one of those cool tricks that if you know How to do it you still have to be strong. Yeah. Yeah, and I've done the fat the old school You can't find them anymore, but the fat remember the old school phone books. Yeah when I was 16 right now listening going like what is a phone book? This is how you used to find phone numbers kids You know what though the things at grandma's house these strength strength feats kind of go they go back a couple generations of my dad side of my family so when I went to go visit my dad's parents in Sicily when I was 12 I think was 12 or 13 And I was just starting to kind of get into like strength stuff I didn't work out in the backyard yet my parents still didn't let me touch the the barbells But I did have these little cement dumbbells in my room and I was always infatuated with strength So when I go there my dad is they're telling me stories of my dad I know your dad one time did this and he did that and your grandfather and then they had this heavy-ass wooden chair that My grandfather sits on and he has it in his garage I guess it's like a garage and he goes my dad so my grandfather's dad my great-grandfather, right? He goes do you see the bite marks on the back of this and I look I'm like oh my god There's bite marks on the the top of the back of this heavy-ass wooden chair I'm like yeah, and he goes my father used to he whenever we had people over He would this was something he would do he would bite it and lift it with his teeth Really common strength thing was like you know biting things and being able to like You know hold a ton of weight in your mouth like that and you figure out later Why is why why is that such a popular thing? It was just it was that's sort of like your last line of defense, right? Because you were showing off the strength of your teeth and your mouth and your neck it required I know doesn't that just of all the things that you could show off of strength-wise and all the muscles in the body like Like I know that's just a weird one. I have no idea. It's weird But also if you think about it, I mean it's it's a last thing to brace and support, you know I guess it's very primal too. What do you think about it? Of course, you know like feel how tense that makes your entire body when you like clamp your jaw It was it was an old-school full wood chair. It was heavy as shit. I don't know how he did it But he lived there's all these teeth marks on the back, and then it was like funny it was like six months ago we're at my parents house and My so my dad now he's got arthritis up and down his body He's got pain this and that but it's still in his blood, right? He still likes if he comes up Trust me if he ever comes in here and visits 100% He'll go over to the kettlebells, and he'll ask one of us which ones the heaviest and try and do something It's just what he does. We were at my parents house, and I was having him tell these stories to my son The apple doesn't fall far from the tree. I know right? He was telling my son Well, no, we were at my parents and we were I was trying to get my son's you know interest in the spark He could care less, but I'm trying to you know, so he's telling these stories and my dad goes So he's got a heavy like dining room chair My dad says do you can you lift the chair from the bottom leg with just your arm straight and my son's like that's impossible There's no way so he's down there, and he's trying to lift it or whatever I Go down there, and I try to do it, and I'm like oh man I'll strain something if I do it and I said dad I don't think you should because I know you're gonna try Doing this I said don't do it your back hurts. We're gonna know it's no big deal. I do right now Fucking did he lifted in the air? My son was like his mind was like blown so till this day my son's anything that happens My son's like can no no do that did Did Domenico say anything to you, but I've been razzling him when he comes in between really does he said he has he said anything to you No, not really. He's pretty good with that He's so quiet dude. He comes in and he like broke into his plugs into his level four That's it always and he's a four you can't I and that might bring him out of that My goal since you said that is I'm always trying to get kind of a rise out of them And see if I can get like him to yell or get some excitement out of them It's you can't no but so he's been coming in and every time he comes in And I know he's getting ready to train with serene and serene doesn't know because I don't I don't talk to her about this stuff very often and Obviously, I'm sure because of the position that I have in mind pump in her working for us to the YouTube I've been doing sort of that she I don't know if she's picked up on it If I'm just kidding or being playful or not so she she'll come in after he's already been here Whatever and he's sitting down on the couch and I'll say to her I said, hey You know, I was talking to Domenico and he was telling me that you know the workout sessions have been really easy And you can see like she's trying to process it like oh really, you know And then he's over there like and I thought I get him to like no no no. He's just like no No, I didn't say that Yeah, and I think she's like trying to process like is Adam like critiquing my training and we're like Yeah, inside I'm over here cracking up so he's funny, but he can't get him to go beyond that Well, he really could care less about that kind I mean he does it because I signed him up for it I mean, you know, whatever but he could care less and I think that's part of that's good He does not have any of the insecurities I had is at his age So I don't know if that was a good thing or bad thing Maybe I should inject it a little insecurity in there get his ass to work You just got to say a real dark joke and then walk away real quick I got him no, but no all joking aside, you know I was a real skinny kid and it really affected now, but he's he could he doesn't care Yeah, well, that's not his thing though, right? But I mean insecurity as a kid is just normal, right? So I have you guys been able to identify that within your own kids Like do you know what their like thing is that they have to earn because obviously so that was working out for you That was that that way for me, right because a skinny kid But more than likely that's not his but there's something else. Do you know what that is? Yeah, I don't know Justin. I don't know, you know, it's pretty weird because he doesn't really show I mean, he's gone on sports teams and played even though he's got my athletic Genetics, which means, you know, not great, but he'll go and do it He'll do reports and stand and talk in front of the class. You know his girlfriend's dad I'm like, oh, he's gonna meet his girlfriend's dad. Is he gonna be nervous? No He shook, you know, they shook hands and talked economics. I'm like what you know, so He's just kind of chill. It's hard to read. You know what it is. It's hard to read him That's what it is my daughter She's still kind of young but every once in a while she deals with the girl kind of drama, you know She just doesn't tell me a lot. I think she tells her mom. Yeah, but that's kind of normal But I don't know. Why about you Justin? Do you see any so what I mean, you mean like what they struggle with the most? Yeah, well there I mean, you know, we all had insecurities growing up. Yeah, everybody has insecurities and as dads I mean, obviously mine's so young so max hasn't this hasn't manifested yet But it will one day. Yeah, and you know, and I and obviously I want to be able to help him through that process He has to go through it, but I want to be able to guide him if I can as a father And so I'm wondering you guys being fathers with kids that are older. Yeah, I think of something I guess I would I would identify as more of like just trying to be liked by by everybody too much like, you know like in terms of Being the the life of the thing if somebody one person is like annoyed with him or it like just ruins his day Oh, I was like that. I don't like this. I'm like, why do you care and everybody liking me? Yeah, so that's normal. So yeah, so Ethan's kind of like he because he's so Outgoing and like wants everybody's attention like he'll do stuff to just like when nobody's looking he thinks like everybody's watching him Like everywhere we go. I'm like, dude. No, he's checking you out Like you're fine. You can just be normal Take it down. He's a good kid. He's a really sweet. Oh, yeah, he's he's the best But yeah, then ever it's more just like He's just so hard on himself. He just like keeps saying like negative like thoughts about like whatever it is He's doing he's just he's never good. I'm bad at this. Yes. This I'm like, dude He just smoked everybody like and it's because one kid beat him, you know, it's so he's like I'm I'm just I'm second You know, I wonder where he gets that from. That's weird. It's weird And I have no idea why he's outside just you know Punching the shit out of a tether ball to where it's like whole arm is black and blue and just because one kid beat him You know, it's weird. Now. What would you guys say is yours? Make you guys be vulnerable right here What you want to what would you say is your your biggest insecurity that you've had to work on the longest as even as like an adult today? Oh, like something that a lot. Oh, well, we all have a had a lot, right? But there's there's there's ones like there's ones that I could say that I had I've worked through and I think and I think I don't think they ever leave. I think they'll always revisit But there's ones that I feel like I have, you know, dare I say mastered I feel like I see them coming change the relationship with it Okay, that's a better way to say that because it is but then there's other ones that are still hard that you that you're You face with it and maybe you catch yourself even slipping into that pattern and stuff like that Do you guys know what those are for you? Do you recognize that? Well, the the earlier ones was obviously the body image stuff But I do and I do feel like that's still kind of always there But I've definitely developed a much better relationship around it where it used to really be a a big problem You know now I would say the one that I'll always struggle with I don't know if always but I'll still struggle with is just being and this is probably common for parents who care is Being a good dad. I think You know, you make decisions especially when you make hard decision One for you because you've you've shared about that off-air before and we've talked about it Just you know, you do something and maybe you punish your kid or something happens and then you shit I should have done that better or I didn't pay attention and you're just questioning whether or not you did a good job I've heard lots of parents say that, you know, that's kind of a normal one But that one's one that now still I still kind of always, you know, try to work on especially after I got divorced That was a big one. You know the guilt of putting my kids through that was something that I had to you know Really work through. Yeah, I mean it's again I mentioned those things because those are like two very good examples of what I've had to work through, you know forever was just like there's the self-talk of like I actually am really good at this and I acknowledge this about myself versus like, you know sort of This chip on my shoulder that I that everybody thinks I suck and I have to like work my way out of that You know, like that that's been a real weight on my back like my whole life So and you know between that and then Again making sure like everybody's cool and everybody's like happy and you know, like I struggle with that too, you know I just want I want to you know, I just I avoid drama because you know certain environments like I grew up in like I just don't like that. You must enjoy it when Adam and I get in big-ass It's great It's my favorite thing actually about this business and hanging out with you guys Sitting over there You know, how do we get out of this? I gotta turn it up. Do I gotta like mellow it out? What about you Doug? I mean is there anything for us to look forward to when we turn 80? Is they all go away or what is it? It doesn't all go away I can guarantee you that It doesn't ever go away. No it doesn't I mean Justin I You know resonate a lot with Justin's type of issues if you want to call him issues Again, it's this whole thing about you know making everybody happy. I want everybody to be happy like me that type of thing Perfectionism has always been the thing that really dog me and I had this standard if it wasn't perfect or the best It wasn't good. Yeah, you know it was it was had to be the best or it was all or nothing Yeah, and of course that would also oftentimes cause me to Be you know paralyzed I couldn't act because I wanted it to be the best So I just wouldn't do anything at all that standard is impossible. Yeah, so I've had to let go of a lot of that But I still have some of that that hangs around But you know again, I can be very good at something I still don't feel like you know Now how good are you guys that? Catching it in the moment like when it when it was or is it normally like something you still have to like go back Oh, fuck today. I did you know, I feel like if it's an insecurity somebody has to tell you If you're still working on it, it's it's almost never in the moment It's always after like oh, and you think about it after you know until you develop a good relationship with it Then you can catch at the moment, but until that happens. I think you do shit and then later Yeah, why did I do that? I think if you can become aware of it and then really kind of keep that awareness at the top of your mind You can start, you know Identifying it at the time it's taking place And then you have some tools to kind of let go of that and move forward Yeah, when you work on it you identify it more right and I think that it's got to be intentionally Like for me, I have to constantly like think about How to improve, you know personally on certain things and then it and then it's more obvious when it happens and you can like You can address it as it's happening But it takes like those reps to be able to do that in the moment versus later on like, you know Doug saying like I will think about it later. I'm like, ah, you know Like I wish I would have like done something a little bit differently with that What about you Adam? You know, I agree with what Doug said that I think I do think that I can catch not always, but I think I catch it real time I'm aware of it when it happens because it still does and it's the success money and education thing for me It's like because I didn't go to college because I didn't I came from not having a lot and that was a lot of where my Drive came from I still catch moments where it tends to happen when I'm with Really educated people or really really financially successful people and if I'm in a group like that I'll have this which is totally out of character for me if I'm with you guys or people. I'm comfortable with I will find myself inserting My my accolades, you know, like oh like you're like, yeah You know I'm saying like you'll like no need to like reveal my my bankroll or things that I've done and had success Approved that you're right like like there's no like I would never do that in a normal conversation with a friend or people I know really well But there are moments when I find myself in that environment and because I don't have the education because I have a different Pathway towards success and everything like that, you know, the thing that's the insecurity that's happening in my mind is that oh These these guys probably think I'm just some dumb tattoo gym guy and I'm not really smart I'm not really successful And so there's that part that rears its head and makes me want to say that stuff And so in the past it would happen and then later on that night a bit. Fuck that was so stupid where now Yeah, I actually can catch it like someone they say something and I'm about to say and I go What in in my head? I'm having that conversation going like there's no reason for me to tell this person Yeah, one they don't care to I'm gonna sound like a douchebag probably and three It's really just my insecurity. You know what it's also because you can see it in other people You ever talk to somebody and they just they'll start doing that and you'll be like, why you know, you don't need to do that Oh, totally calm down. I so you know, it's funny. So I never had it with money That was never something that I was insecure about but with the education I was yeah when I was around really highly educated people I would sometimes feel that way until I Owned my wellness studio and the vast majority of my clients were extremely educated Surgeons doctors or executives and because I trained them so long and I had developed this great relationship And at some and they would ask me lots of questions about nutrition the human body I'd have surgeons asking me about muscle function and biomechanics And then they would always compliment me and say things like man, you're the mode You know, they would say things like you I can't believe you didn't you know go to college for this or whatever Anyway boosted my confidence and made me feel to the point where then it became cool Like I can't I hope they asked me, you know where I went to school because then I'd make something up and I'd say, you know University of it's an it's an interesting it's an interesting dichotomy because there's these There's these parts that you look at it and that's a great example of like that's also something that probably drove you to being very intelligent and successful in that arena because you there's a part of it that was probably driven by insecurity so It's hard right sometimes the things that That are our greatest insecurities are also our greatest motivators in getting us further ahead in life And then it's like now how do you balance that? How do you use that as a superpower, right? Like Patrick by David talks about this and his that the his next five moves that I talked about in the show the other day Like learning how to use that to power you forward, but then also being aware of it So don't let me become just right, so you know don't identify as it You know and recognize that it's a it does put a little bit of a chip on your shoulder use that chip to Use energy to propel yourself, but then don't identify as that very similar to like, you know We have with people with body fat, right? So somebody who is it's okay to look at yourself and know that you've put a lot of body fat on and your choices that you've Done have got you there and so you have this motivation to fix that and change that your identity But don't identify with it and see yourself as I'm fat No, I made a lot of bad decisions in the past that got me to this place I'm gonna use that as fuel to make the right decisions and that can be very powerful But then not but being very careful to not identify with being the fat one of the great one of the biggest values I got out of training people was You know when you help other people with their insecurities with something that you are confident in right? So I'm your trainer very confident in being able to help my client through their insecurities of being overweight or Not feeling worthy and all that stuff and we talk about this on the show all the time Helping them do that allowed me to self-reflect on my own So it's like it was so rewarding like the personal growth. I got from training other people. I Can't quantify it was from in and the personal growth from a podcast because you're talking about this stuff It's being recorded. You could watch it later Imagine okay, so you talked about times when you would sit down and talk to people and feel like you had to insert like your success Imagine if all that was recorded and you could just watch it later. Yeah, how like how obvious it would be. Oh, yeah Like talk about what a powerful tool. Oh, 100% right. That's uh, what's it black mirror had that right? Oh, you're like recap all that stuff for the day Hey speaking of of obesity a lot stuff Have you guys heard about this blockbuster weight loss drug that is they cannot meet demand right now About it. What's it called? Do you know the we go V is the is the name of the I think the brand name of the drug Is it legit and apparently it's works. Okay, so okay, so let's so here's the deal. Where's the catch? First of all, no drug comes out with tail You lose all your body fat you may grow a tail. You also die No, I okay all medications all drugs are gonna come with their own, you know, and they call them side effects They're just effects. So but they're unintended or undesirable effects, right? They all have them But if you compare so far so I've done my research on this if you compare this drug to other weight loss drugs that have been approved It blows them out of the water blows them out of the water So the average weight loss for people who use this particular drug and it's a once a week Sub-q injection sub-q being in the skin like insulin, right? So once a week 15% of their body weight lost. So it's like 30 pounds Over the course of a year or two It's a long-term drug meaning you take it as long as you see value in it It's not a stimulant like fenn fenn or anything like that Now side effects could be things like nausea and so what what's the mechanism? What is exactly is it is going? So it's an agonist for I'm gonna pull it up There's a hormone that it's attaching to the same receptors as a particular hormone Call let me look it up. That has to do with appetite. Yes. Yes Is it like CLK then we're like you you take CLK and it's supposed to it's supposed to artificially trigger that to make you think You're full before you're kind of so it's a peptide hormone molecule known as some aglutide so this was previously approved for Diabetes type 2 at diabetes now this new version is a once a week injection made for losing weight So that's basically what it but what it's for and it's it's in the other ones were oral and you had to strict guidelines This you can inject no big deal crosses the blood-brain barrier So what it does is it it it agonizes or otherwise or in other words attaches to the glucagon like peptide one receptor Which is so it's a glucagon like peptide one receptor agonist So GLP one is a hormone naturally released in the gastrointestinal tract in response to nutrient intake So it has multiple effects including increasing insulin release from the pancreas slowing down stomach emptying and targeting receptors in the brain that cause appetite Reduction so the result is a sensation of satiety or fullness and it lasts a long time and again The the the trials came out so explain yes explain to me the difference between a A peptide and a sarm like how are they similar and how they different? Oh Sarm and so peptides are long chains of Amino acids that have that that can act on receptors Sarms are specific chemicals that are also looking to attach to receptors. I don't know the I'm not like super privy on the Chemistry yeah, I'll take the layman dummy version, but I do know that the difference like I like how would how would I you communicate that to a client It's like hey, I'm thinking about taking these arms. I'm also thinking about taking this peptide What are you saying to those those people a sarm isn't gonna cause? 15% of your body weight lost and body fat on its own or body weight right a sarm can help you build muscle But you also down regulate your androgen receptors testosterone will drop. They're not approved yet This was approved now check this out Okay in comparison to placebo the placebo group and by the way both groups were told eat right and exercise Whether they did or not whatever, but that's what they were told placebo group lost 2% of their weight The people taking this particular drug 15% now. Here's the here's the crazy thing The current existing anti-obesity medications which suck a lot of them have terrible side effects Typically will will result in about 5 to 9% of weight loss and this or typically on average about 5% This is 15% Wow three times more it makes people eat less which is really crazy, and it's this long term So here's a deal and now there are other side effects Yeah, it can cause nausea can cause some some gastric issues if if you're predisposed to Or you have thyroid cancer probably not a good idea because it can cause that to accelerate But so far they're saying it's safe. I think this is the first anti-obesity drug That is has the potential to be widespread like prescribed and used Definitely doesn't take the place of just eating better and exercise of course, but when you're looking at an obesity epidemic like ours Hmm, I think this is gonna be one of those drugs. That's like just widely prescribed. No, you're overweight. Here you go Let's see what happens now. There's two sides of me that I I see the The the investor side going okay. I I'm bought into what you're saying and probably smart Drug to have stock in but then I have the other side of me goes like, you know Do I think that this really is gonna make a difference or make a real dent in the obesity epidemic? And that's the question I have for you guys is does something that potentially helps Lose 15% body fat in a year on a body weight body weight Do you think that it's a long-term solution? Do you think it will help that many people or do you think it'll just be another one of those drugs that bodybuilders use Stacking their cycles because they will definitely take advantage of its benefits and put it to use based on the So here's a deal if you but isn't it just about like controlling your appetite Yeah, I don't see that, you know any other benefit other than that, right? No, you're reducing calories We know what happens when all you focus on is reducing calories. Yeah, this so inevitably, you know It's gonna slow your metabolism down. Well, no, you can't see here's a to that to that point though There that was one of the things I actually thought that I was very pro about with the ketogenic diet or the carnivore diet was I noticed My appetite was dramatically reduced or at least me that was my experience. I was not Here's the difference though that requires you right make the decision My point what I was trying to say is that there is value in that right? There is some value in some whether it be a drug or a way of eating that actually don't have control I think it is right value can tamp down the because you got to think this just makes you eat less. Yeah, that's all it is Yeah, it doesn't make you eat differently. So you can still eat the behaviors It doesn't make you exercise to be there. You can't compare it to changing your lifestyle, right? You can't compare that but here's the reality and this is the sad reality Getting people to change to permanently change their eating habits and to exercise Consistently and regularly forever. This is one of the hardest uphill battles of all time So will this drug make a huge impact? Yes, is it going to be as good as I think yes It can make a huge impact is it as good as changing your lifestyle? No, of course not even close But if you're looking at a 15% reduction in body weight with obese individuals, will that start to save lives? Probably, I mean losing 30 pounds even if you know, you're just eating less is better than nothing, right? That's what we're comparing it to is he is nothing nothing to this Did they actually like survey the people and ask ask them like how they felt or did they have anything around that? Yeah, it's like I like I said in comparison to the other drugs. It's got way less Negative reports and side effects. They can't meet up with they can't meet demand. The demand is so high Interesting. They're having suppliers heard of it. Is that high already? Well the company that owns the drug No, novo Nordisk. Okay. Their stock is now. I mean since May it's exploded, right? Just got bought by Pfizer weird. Yeah, no But I mean it's wild it's wild to look at and of course like if a drug that made your appetite go down That wasn't a stimulant, you know, that sounds like a like Medically speaking, that's that's probably gonna be people are gonna probably like it You know, it's probably gonna work in that sense for a lot of people But I don't think it's gonna solve the problem that the problem is far deeper than that It's not just not, you know eating less. We know that we talk about it all the time Anyway, pretty wild. I full disclosure pay attention to full disclosure I invested in the in the company because I saw what the drug was doing. I saw the potential and I said, okay Well, this this could be a big blockbuster. Yeah, I mean, I'm in on that I'm in on the business side of it the reality of it though is I mean I think it's people's behaviors that have to be changed and if this helps which I'm sure it will there be something There's all and that's you know There's always exceptions the rule of stuff like that too sometimes like changing to this specific diet It was all it took to get this person to fall into better behaviors and so emergency situations right like we had said that about like bariatric surgery and things that like people have done You know in terms of like a life Threatening situation where we can help and intervene that you know sure but like again to the behavioral patterns and things This doesn't address now for it to get FDA approved This has had to been around for a minute as far as the well the drug itself clinical trials and everything yeah, but it was an oral version and it was for diabetes This is now approved for weight loss as a once-a-week Sub can sub Q injection. Oh, so were they giving this to? Diabetic patients or every day every day. Yeah to help for years already I don't know how many years, but I know it was out Oh, I wonder I see beneath to see what the what the success was with that for that long. I mean, here's a deal Okay Viagra was invented to lower blood pressure, which it kind of does But does Viagra make its money as a blood pressure medication, right? So it could it be a good diabetes medication? Sure. Is that why they're gonna sell a shit ton of them? No, it's for the weight loss people want to buy the one owners. Yeah, exactly I have an interesting intervention that has nothing to do with like Intervention pharmaceuticals. No, this is actually a parasite that We've actually heard well I've heard through a couple podcasts not sure like this is totally like fact-checked or not But fighters are going like a Disney buying poor Mexico. It's not quite on that level. It's a little bit more qualified than that To to get toxoplasmosis. What why why would they get that? Because of the aggressive nature and What is that? Isn't that found in cat cat feces right and and this is what you know pregnant women have to stay away from it because it affects the development of the baby and born babies and It creates this sort of like What do you call it like a behavior where it's like you lose fear. Yeah, you lose fear like everything is like super spontaneous like you You do all this erratic behavior So rats or mice they get togs mo toxoplasmosis to get attracted to urine of Rats get attractive urine of cats. They become attracted to cat urine. Yeah So they lose examples of nature on this on a few things Yeah, we're certain things are attracted something that basically gonna kill them because that's the survival of parasite Because the rat then goes finds cats isn't scared of them anymore the cat eats it now You got the life cycle of the parasite the same with the cornicep, right the mushroom that you know ants end up You know walking across and then it basically like turns them into these zombies. They walk Yeah, that documentary. Yeah, they walk up to Allege somewhere and and and the bird sees them and eats them and then the cycle goes on Yeah, by the way their sights are fascinating. Why are people doing that? So I must reduce because it reduces fear makes them more aggressive like in terms of like not not being a Like have any reserves is it like blunt a connection to the frontal lobe or something like that? What is it doing that mechanism? Oh, that's interest. Wow. I have no idea. You know speaking of cordyceps I thought that was crazy. That is great. It like take willingly take parasites You know what though? Is it really crazy like athletes do willingly crazy shit to myself? It just to win That's why I believe it. That's why I don't think this is a Disney You know, this is this is more believable. Yeah, it's not that far. That was not No way Well, so back to cordyceps you mentioned cordyceps, you know cordyceps in nature has been shown to have some pretty potent anti-cancer effects. Yeah, well a pharmaceutical company studied Cordyceps found the portion or whatever of cordyceps that has the anti-cancer effects Concentrated it turned it into a pharma drug. So they tweaked it to make it more potent And it's not FDA approved there in I think phase two trial or something like that So far proving to be one of the most effective anti cancer drugs that we've seen so far based off of cordyceps Now is this in the real world or the metaverse? You know, I'm practicing that because we're gonna have to start saying that in the future. You know that right? Oh, you're gonna have conversations. You'd be like, oh, dude. I just killed this dude Like literally like two days ago. Are you here? Are you mad at your life? Or did you kill him in the metaverse? I got a girlfriend. Yeah Yeah She's a model in Canada I use that one as a kid too Olin mills pictures. Yeah. Yeah. I remember I shot my dad or whatever Yeah, I found one on the ground one time. I actually was trying to like pawn that off This is my model girlfriend. Yeah, I don't see her all the time. She lives like up north They're like, wait a minute. I've seen her before at the at Sears Don't you a really don't think about it for a second like we this is around the corner for us Where that is gonna be? Yeah, no a normal thing to say and ask in a conversation Was this in the real world or in metaverse where which one was it like couldn't you tell someone a story about your day or something? You did along those like Microsoft call it something different though because I know Mesh oh mesh is there there's I thought well, that's not gonna stick How's that? Also, and I think they both believe that they are not gonna be the ones that Own it or dominate, but they will both be a part of something even greater that has multiple legs I think of the internet who owns the internet, right? So that's and that's how they envision it is not like oh You know face and that people that are thinking that right now I would never be a part of the metaverse that Facebook owns with their private It's like they're not gonna own it They're just the first ones to start to integrate We're already kind of doing right I heard something like a funny thing I guess both of those platforms they don't have like they have their avatars like that you can construct. Yeah, they don't have legs Oh, I didn't know that I have legs yet. Why I have no legs. I don't know what I just thought that was interesting Everything but lay constructed that yeah makes no sense. So I had a conversation with my son today about NFTs Oh, yeah, so he says what do you think about NFTs? Oh, that's so funny Did he say that because we just talked about it or no no he brought it up himself Oh, yeah, we were talking we were listening to that podcast all in by the way fricking amazing podcast Yeah, and they were talking about something and then my son said what do you think about NFTs? I said to be honest with you at first. I thought it was stupid, but then I realized how much money people spend on like a skin in World of Warcraft or a You know some like rare acts and Minecraft or whatever I said that's essentially the same thing and I said and we're when we're spending that purchases are crazy Yeah, when we're spending all of our time in the metaverse Now it makes sense that you're gonna buy a rare item and it's an NFT and it's gonna be in your metaverse house or on your You know avatar makes perfect. Yeah irony will be the shift from like the real to the like unreal one like okay Let's say right now you you buy your clothes right that like normal clothes obviously But if you spend now 80% of your time in your room plugged into this thing Will you just end up buying a pair of cheap gray sweats and a white t-shirt and that's the only outfit you wear But then you spend thousands of dollars on fake outfits inside Yeah, think about that and then think about the companies like Viori like is Viori gonna have to in Do they have to start thinking right now? Oh, wow. We need to create I think so Viori NFT Totally or else what's gonna happen is are we our business is gonna start to die when people care less about do you think too? As they get crazier with the designs in the meta in terms of like your outfits and whatnot You may see a reflection of that in the real world, of course Oh, yeah, right so like you get some wild outfit that that you know like takes fire or whatever And then some person in the real world like decides to just like me Movies you were you know like big screen movies Dominated money spending and entertainment video games surpassed them. I don't know 10 years ago video games make more money Video games now make movies that video games influence movies influence culture Oh, yeah, the meta a great example the metaverse will influence the real world and at the very least think about How brilliant of a way to market your clothes if you're spending all your time in the metaverse You're gonna what are you buying Nike Viori? You know, you know, it was already on top of this. I just bought some meta pants Dude, those are my favorite. Hey, those are maybe Joe's way ahead of the curve Did you know by the way, you know the 400 the 400 million that they got from Softbank? That was a no-pitch Presentation that was Softbank saying we want to give you guys four. Oh shit. I did not know that four billion dollar Evaluation they got and and you know what you know what the quote was and this makes me annoyed because we were not in on this We weren't there fast enough Most of that money is the quote was to go to the early investors So, you know when people first invested in Viori, I bet you they've made like 50 times their investment Oh, my god, which is insane. Wow four billion dollar Valuation. Wow. Yeah, we were there when we came up man Well, we were with them. They were valued at what 50 60 million maybe it was under a hundred. I know that that's it was In fact, we have the interview where I think I might have directly asked him I don't know if I did you remember Doug if I asked I don't remember I know I talked to him talked to him when he was in here about it and I know they were under a hundred I don't remember exactly where they were at, but we were I think we might have been speculating about exactly where they were It was under a hundred for sure I mean, I tell you what dude good eye for you for really catching on it because they they're so good to go from where They were the weather right now You know that you know profitable they were early on this was one of the reasons why soft bank was so like awesome about it Yeah, because they see that there's this extremely prof oftentimes when they invest it's potential right? Oh, we're still in the red But here's the projections profitable all the way through very well run very smart and of course the products are really good I can't take all the credit for that I mean that was definitely a tailor assist when he was here for sure that was I mean that was one of the Qualities about him that I really liked was yeah, you know, I was better about that when I was younger I'm just not like I'll be the first to admit that I know I'm a an old guy who wishes he was a stealing style like I get it So fuck you if you're like one of those people that like to point that out or like that like that's why I went classic Okay, very aware of this I'm so aware of it that I hired somebody who was better than I was at that but I that I could connect with and I was like Oh, that is so me when I was 20. Yeah, I like scooping you into my world I don't care the whole man bun thing didn't work out for you Yeah, but that was I mean, I just remember being a young guy like that who I mean I was on all the me back then it was like magazines, right? I was I had all the latest magazines and was always on the up-and-coming like new company that was hip or doing something Different or had it in like I was I loved finding you love finding that stuff first like people get it He and Taylor was like that Taylor Prided himself. You never he never wanted to be the guy who was rocking what everybody else was I wanted to be the guy just like he was like he was who found something that nobody was rocking yet I wanted to be the first one to rock it with within my group and then everybody else falls into it later And you're like, yeah, that's right. I was the first person that you know that brought that around So I can't take the credit for that. He for sure found Viori and brought it to me and of course I accepted and said hell. Yes. I love this They're amazing, you know speaking of four hundred million dollars. I was reading an article this morning. I'm listening. Yeah Rob Geertig. Yeah, something for four. He's worth four hundred million dollars. Oh good for him, man And they the articles yeah, yes, he's like one of those dudes that I would totally love to hang out with They there was an art hang out Call it whatever you want out of just chat whatever he just seems like All right, so here's a here's a good conversation around that like when you guys see Ultra famous successful or rich people What what do you what are you typically attracted to as far as wanting to hang out with them? Oh, I see right like What characteristics do you see there's lots of you know millionaires? Oh, I like I like so so I'm an elon fanboy for that and it's because He bucks the the mainstream He's weird which and super to ill-intelligent. So I feel like if I sat down with him For a few hours it would be one of the best conversations of all time Um But again, he's just he's an innovator, but he doesn't he's just doing his own thing and he kind of doesn't care If what he says or does is popular I mean the guy sparked up a joint and his stock plummeted Because of it on rogan and he was unapologetic about it, you know, and that's it's really cool No, I agree with that. I for me. It's always the The people that are like so famous but are just have zero fucks still like in you know Like a bill murray or somebody like that has always been one of my You know, I would just love to hang out with that, dude Just because you know, it's like you get so many eyes on you you take all that in but At the same time, you're still yourself and you're just like, yeah, whatever. This is I'm bill murray, dude I do what I want like I just walk into a party say what's up You know, it's like there's no like all this like oh get away from me You know like these all these celebrities that think they're so narcissistic about it. Yeah, no, I agree with that The article was talking about how in 2016 that uh investors, you know called him uninvestable because he was just some Skateboard punk kid, you know I'm saying like oh, there's no don't put any money behind this all these ideas and stuff Underestimated. Yeah, talk about making the wrong decision there guys worth 400 million dollars But I think it's along the lines of what you just said right now Justin is that he seems to me and I don't know because we don't I don't know him personally We know drama and he speaks highly of him. It seems cool. Like he'd be a cool person You know, I'm glad you said that though. It's true. You don't know. You don't know these people. Yeah I don't be an asshole. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, you know what made me think of that Is that remember I went on that little rant about the neighbor who is you know rocking the Fauci sign I trust them. Yeah, I try to let him, you know, babysit your kids ignore all these other things Yeah, you're just gonna be real careful with that like I don't know what the guy does behind closed doors But the the what he projects that I see I tend to like it and he seems real he seems the same guy that when he was making no money Living with his parents over in Ohio or wherever he's from. He's the same as the guy who makes 400 million That was one of the things I loved about robin big Was I remember watching that show going like oh, man If I ever made it with my buddies and we made a lot of money like this is how I'd wanted a fun factor Yeah, I totally would I would love That's still like if if there's a one more green and spent money There's one more dream left in mine pump. It would be to build like a mine pump factory Like I would still it would be a lot different though. It would have like Recliner definitely would have it definitely would have a 50 foot ramp in it For sure would have like an ollie fucking nail salon in there Instead before I before I put a 50 foot ramp in there these days And these and these are the four recliners that we sit on to take a nap That sounds amazing. Here's the hair dye station Doug. Would you be down to build something like that or what? I would okay Yeah, let's do it. Okay. Oh, I like this. I like that. Everybody's on the same page on now Did you just everybody? It's closed on record now. I understand sometimes I underestimate your closing skills though. That was slick Hey, I hope you're enjoying the show real quick. I want to talk about a one of our partners, right? Mass zimes makes digestive enzymes for people interested in building muscle burning body fat improving their health Or improving the performance. 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There's cross over there So bigger muscles contract harder So theoretically having bigger muscles will make you stronger. However, a huge component of strength is skill And the way your muscles work together. So in other words If you practice squatting and really get the form and the technique down You can squat more weight without necessarily Building bigger muscles on the other side You can train in a way to where you're really just focusing on the muscle and the contraction and the feel Not squat more weight but get bigger leg muscles. You see bodybuilders do this all the time But they are connected, you know power lifters have understood now for a while that although their goal is to lift as much weight as possible If their muscles get bigger that potential is much higher So it's not like they're avoiding You know hypertrophy for you know, just for strength and of course bodybuilders also they know That adding weight of course to a certain extent, but adding weight naturally increases the tension on a muscle And is a better signal oftentimes for bigger muscles. Yes strengths specific to the stimulus applied and uh, so that's what like some of the videos that I remember it was kind of fun to watch because I used to think that just a big Jacked guy was had to be like the strongest guy in the gym and then you'd see just this kind of Hard working guy that was like a little bit, you know, had a gut and was just you know looked like, you know Had had big forearms or whatever, but was really understated would just out lift the guy all day long for specific lifts and and so uh, you see videos of of Bodybuilder versus power lifter versus crossfitter versus and it's like you can see what their strengths are You know relative to what they practice the most great and so that's sort of like how I started looking. Yeah, here's a good example um champion power lifter versus a champion olympic lifter both Incredible strength athletes who's stronger depends on what we're asking them to do If i'm saying let's do a snatch The olympic lifter is going to crush the power lifter if i'm saying do a deadlift Then or a bench press then the power lifter is probably going to win So there's a huge strength component and there's also How you fire the muscles like Here, you know, and this is a fact you take the average person and you give them caffeine And they will be a few percent stronger. What's what happened right in that moment? Did their muscles grow? No their central nervous system is Firing a little harder. They're stimulated And they're able to fire more juice to the muscle to lift more weight But their muscles actually weren't any bigger in that particular moment. So But uh, what does this mean for the person watching right now? What should I train for? Well, if your goal is to look good and and be healthy for a long period of time both They both have lots of value They both contribute to each other too. It's it's uh, it means nearly impossible to Build strength and not build some muscle, right, right? And it's nearly impossible to build muscle and not build any strength Uh, there's some outliers where you see some extreme examples of it But you're gonna get a little bit of both and extreme examples would be comparing the the You know bodybuilder who just won mr. Olympia Compared to the guy who just won world's strongest man and they probably look nothing like each other You know But both have a lot of muscle mass on them for sure because you're not going to be The world's strongest guy in the world and not have a bunch of muscle, you know I've always been really impressed with People that don't look like they should be as strong as they are. Yeah, it's always really impressive to me We just talked about this. Mike Salemi. Yeah, we just talked about this We talked about Mike Salemi and then who was the other example that we gave I forgot who we gave two examples of friends of ours. I don't remember, but he's a great example You just would never guess. Oh, uh, what's his name, uh, jordan syat. There you go. Yes. Yeah, jordan jordan syat Is that way too? You just you look at him and you'd never and that's not I don't mean that to be an insult at all No, he's fit and everything. Yeah, he's a thick guy, but he doesn't look like he lives six or a pound He yeah, he deadlifts way more than I did left I look like I should be able to deadlift more than him So I think that's just impressive when you see somebody like that. Yeah, it always stands out in the gym I haven't seen it very often, but there's been a couple times where I see a dude load a bar And I think to myself He's gonna hurt himself and then I see them lift it and I'm always like How did that guy bench five plates? He looks like he weighs 170 pounds or I've seen a guy deadlift Almost seven plates and I swear to God he weighed like 160 pounds or something like that Which was just insane. There's this guy on it was stan lee's. I think it was like super humans And so he was able to find sort of like really unique people out there that had like gifts in certain directions Right. And so there's a guy there that just looked like an average average guy and he was able to I was like deadlifts almost like 900 something pounds and like he He actually like had this one feet of strength where he was holding on to a rope and I think it was like one of those ninja bikes was like, you know full throttle like trying to pull And so they estimated the amount of force, you know, it took to be able to hold the bike in place And it was just insane like a feet of strength. Yeah, so so how do you train for strength? Typically, of course lower reps compound lifts longer rest periods Really focusing on the technique of the lift really focusing on the skill And of moving the weight in a stable controlled manner How do you focus on building bigger muscles? Focus on the muscle the contraction the feel the squeeze reps are a little bit higher But again, they both there's so much crossover That you want to do both even if you're in a sport that only focuses on one, right? Even if you're just a bodybuilder you'll benefit from some strength training And if you're just a strength athlete, you'll benefit from some of that Well, I think that's the biggest takeaway from this conversation is you get people that identify with one or the other And then they don't venture into the other modality of training, right? So if you're somebody who all you care about is strength You're missing out if you don't train like a bodybuilder sometimes And if you're a bodybuilder and you never train like a strength athlete You're missing out and I think that's most common what I see I mean, and we're all guilty of that right like either I identify as more of this type of a you know Lifter athlete whatever you want to call it. Therefore. I don't do x y z lift And I don't care about this because I'm not that but the truth is they both contribute to both sides The next question is from L. Squy Should a seated dumbbell shoulder press be done at a slight incline or at 90 degrees? Oh, yeah You know why they're asking this? Yeah, you know, okay. So you'll see bodybuilders often do an overhead You know dumbbell shoulder press and the bench is not straight up. It's at a slight incline And that's because they don't have great shoulder mobility. That's really what it is. It's compensation They don't have the ability to really get that full extension at the top Are they both hitting the shoulders? Yes But if you can't press directly up over your head You should be doing things that get you to that point because that is expressing That kind of full shoulder mobility and I would say in you know We there's some studies that show this that good full ranges of motion under control tend to build more muscle than shorter ranges of motion Of course, all things being equal, right? You should be able to do it So don't hurt yourself But you should be able to press straight up Over your head and not have to be at this kind of, you know, slight incline. So No, that's basically it. Yeah, that being said and I 100 agree with you that That is what's going on And you can always tell you walk by and you see someone doing a dumbbell press like that They'll either be at the slight incline or they'll have this massive arch where they actually like, I mean I'm Doing it themselves Yeah, I remember I'm watching my buddies would scoot their butts at the end of the thing and then just their Upper back is against the bench and it's like, damn, I mean they may as well be on it on an incline Now that being said, it doesn't mean though, you can't like because I'll do this every once in a while And I have the shoulder mobility to do it where I'm like, oh, I'm I'm doing shoulders today and chest And so I'm going to do something in the middle there where it's good It's more of it's not a full, you know, like 40 your your traditional 45 degree incline bench press It's more like, you know, I don't know what degree I would say that is It's more like at a 60 or a 75 degree angle So it's a lot more shoulders and I'm doing shoulders that day, but I'm also doing Upper chest and so all and I never really do that. So I'll include it every once in a while So if that's your desired outcome, there's nothing wrong with doing that But when you see it like to your point, it's mostly because people can't Do a straight up, you know 90 degree This is also why I like the Viking press and and you know the stuff with the land land mine as well just because of The amount of force that's you know The directional force I can actually like push, you know, the weight and get full extension So I'm up but also like it's not quite as demanding on the shoulder joints specifically Like it's not all the forces aren't straight down Yeah, because of the way the angle of the bar actually is a little lighter at the top And you can move your body forward you can move your body forward into I think that's a great way to kind of transition you into Um, you know, like direct overhead load. Oh, yeah, that or a z-press I mean to me that's so what you have to right I would either do a z-press Or what I actually started to do when this I become I became aware because I was guilty of this Right, I was guilty of being this bodybuilder guy who did the the arching his back like crazy That's why I didn't do overhead press a lot As I became aware of that and started to work on the mobility and address it One of the things I would do if I sat at a, you know, 90 degree bench to do a shoulder press I'd actually take my back off the bench So instead of just your hips are on yeah, so that I have so I have to my core has to stabilize me And I can get I get full extension and I that way I don't if it's all if my back is touching Then I'll scoot and I'll arch I'll cheat because it's there Whereas if it's not there and I have to stabilize I'm kind of creating a z-press You want to know what's funny when I was a kid I noticed that if I focused on really getting straight up at the top I get like a way better shoulder pump Right, and it's because you have to stabilize more and all that stuff So you know what I actually did I used to work out with one of my cousins And we would sit I had a bench that was adjustable and let you do that But then you'd find yourself as the reps went on that you'd slide your butt would slide forward as you started to cheat Yeah So we would take a canvas belt remember those belts used to wear they're made out of canvas You can strap yourself to the bench around the bench No, you didn't I sort of got it This was my solution when I was 15 That's awesome But I but it worked because you couldn't slide forward And it actually worked it got so your car will ride But we dropped the weight we'd have to go way lighter with the weight But I got a way better shoulder pump You know those those hoist machines are cool that do that too You guys have been on those ones or you sit on it and when you press it it moves Yeah, kind of so it kind of gives you that Yeah, yeah, it kind of gives you the Viking press feel In a seated position on the way the the hoist machine speaking of shoulder presses machines One of my favorites is the hammer strength where you kind of lay back, but the handle I'm a fan of hammer strength Yeah, I actually like that one But you know what I have never used anything that I like as much as the Viking press I mean no affiliation or anything like that That's the best shoulder machine I've ever used It's crazy to me that I mean we we've talked before on the show about You know things that we find that are new or things last Like that's one of the most recent things that kind of blew my mind, right? That is the most recent I've been lifting for a long time and I just recently started to use a Viking press And it was I mutually we're all in love with it It's so complimentary to overhead press Why can't we get a sponsor on that? It gives you such a great pump Can you one of you two find a company that you really like that makes them? I tried But maybe now that we're seeing a podcast Contact us Let's put it out there Yeah, that's right If you make a Viking press I want to sell your Viking press So let's work out a deal Next question is from Jalen S4 In your opinion is it harder for the average person to gain muscle without gaining fat Or lose fat without gaining muscle Lose fat without getting without losing muscle It's got to be one of the hardest things to do Gaining muscle without gaining fat is really a process of just am I eating slow grind Am I eating the right calories? Am I sending the right signal? And you can do this boy losing fat without losing muscle can be really freaking hard because It requires a calorie deficit which sends this overall signal to the body that says You probably shouldn't speed up your metabolism You probably shouldn't add this active tissue that is burning more calories In fact, we should pare it down so that we could offset this calorie deficit So in my experience that one's really so much more hard so much more touch you go Now if you're talking about a beginner Well, you're less motivated to you know in that direction Yeah, I don't fully agree. I don't fully disagree either All right, let's hear the other side Well, the other side to me is that this is where the genetic factor plays such a huge Role is that I think that the grass is always greener on the other side I think and this is this is where I remember I talked a while back when we talked about Sematotypes and I said this is one of the things why I like the Sematotype conversation Still is because I do think that for certain body types It's much easier to put muscle on and it's much more difficult for that person to You know lose body fat and the vice vice versa for the other person, right? So I think it just you're like my clients that were endomorphs Man, we touched the weights. We had a little bit calories and they just pile on the muscle Ask them to lose body fat and it's like, you know, the most difficult equation for them It's just so hard for them to do that and then the other the opposite is true with my My skinny guy who was trying to build muscle. It's so hard for them to build muscle But they look at a treadmill and body fat comes off. So I feel like I can make the case that Both are equally difficult based off of your genetics and where you know where you see this Well, here's a strategy that I've always employed for gaining muscle without gaining body fat It's very easy one. It's just get stronger and and you don't even have to change your calories Or you bump them a little bit and you'll oftentimes see Some muscle gain without fat gain now the more advanced you are the more challenging this guy As I said, that's less likely. Yeah being advanced. Yeah now fat loss without losing muscle Wow, that's hard. That is really hard to do now if you're a beginner. I see it all the time I get a new client In the first three months. I would always see muscle and fat, you know Muscle go up and fat come down simultaneously But later on that is a really tough thing to do because cutting calories is telling your body to adapt Slow down your metabolism the the most the most effective way to do that is to pair muscle down Definitely not gain muscle while you're doing that So that's the one that I would say it's got to be the most challenging because I've done it many times The clients to get them to gain muscle without gaining body fat the lose fat without losing muscle Oh, man, that's that could that can be really hard I mean the truth is they're not technically doing that simultaneously What's happening is they have a couple days in a row where Muscle is being built because they've ate The right amount of calories in order for them to build and then they have a couple days where they're actually probably a little bit In a deficit because they moved a little more or ate a little less And so then the body pairs down some body fat And so it looks like the building muscle while not putting fat on is easier But the truth is you're never really doing both of them at the same time It's just and again it goes back to behaviors Which one's easier for people and that's why I feel like I can kind of make the case for It really just depends on what body type you are that one is probably harder than the other based off of that And I'm sure there's people that are listening right now that can identify with that like sure Yeah, I don't know about what Sal's saying. I'm definitely feel like this is much harder So it really depends on but I would bet a majority would be what I said But yeah, there's always going to be variances, but that's yeah Next question is from Andy penson How do you deal with the weird looks you get doing the mobility sessions? In maps performance. Why does no one do walking or moving exercises normally? Did we I did we should ask erin alexander. Did we put um, yeah, I did a post like Way long ago. I don't even know if it's still on there of doing froggers In the gym of I did a video. I was teaching it. Did we program that in uh maps performance? Do you know froggers are in the mobility is it in there? Okay, so yeah, that one looks really weird because look at your hump in the floor Yeah, it just you know, I tell you what some of the best results I ever got working out in the gym was when I stopped caring Yes, what everybody always when I cared so much about what people thought when I was working out I would do the wrong lifts. I'd train too intensely add too much weight Didn't do certain exercises because I wasn't good at them So I don't want to use lightweight on them and it was so stupid And I had lots of clients that would have challenges with this I you know, I feel intimidated by working out and I'm a new beginner and you know, it's funny working in gyms I realized nobody cares. No nobody really gives a shit on your own head Not only that but I also think that uh when you're the one person who's doing the different shit than everybody else I think if you look like you know more than everybody else. Yep. Everybody else is following each other A bunch of parents and start doing it. Yeah copying each other and I swear to god This is happening every time and so yeah, I have a different attitude towards this because This was something that uh was pretty funny because when I was on my own and training like there wasn't a lot of other Gyms that I could you know take my business to and so the closest gym was gold gym Gold gym everybody knows pretty hardcore like bodybuilding style. Right, right, you know Here comes mr functional guy, right and I'm doing all these like crazy mobility moves And so, uh, you know, I'd get all the looks and the scoffs and the uh, you know, big bodybuilder The next week they're starting to ask me about it. Why are you doing that your clients bro? And so I was doing like crazy stuff like I would do like inch worms and things like in the middle Where everybody had to walk in and I'm just like dude not giving any so that's how I was I feel the same way too because I feel I mean, of course you do know and I do know So like if you train with that confidence that you know what you're doing Then I actually feel like you look like the guy that knows more than anybody else because you're the guy who's doing something that Everybody else and everybody goes over to the mirror and does bicep curls Everybody goes to the bench press and does bench press But how often do you see somebody do a Turkish get up off the floor and do it with good form? I used to deadlift in the late 90s when nobody deadlifted and members would stop me. I'm a general man Yes, members would stop me. What do you do? You know, here's my advice to first off You're there to train yourself. So remember that you're not there for anybody else. So who cares about anybody else? So that's number one. Number two Here's a couple of things you could do and I've advised clients with this people who really had issues with being intimidated Uh wear glasses and wear and cover yourself up if you go to the gym in sweats A hoodie headphones and sunglasses. You're in your own space Do your own thing. Nobody gives a shit. It actually does change Kind of that internal vibe and sometimes I would do that even on my own because I like to be in my own space And pretend like it's just me everything but the sunglasses. I know I use a train like that Especially during competitive time where I don't want any distractions. I don't want to talk to anybody I would be fully hooded out and big headphones on and head down like I just want to be in the zone I don't want to bother by anybody but your best results are gonna are gonna start to happen when you stop caring about that It's all about you how you feel what works for your body Stop worrying about anybody else and I promise your results will be much better Versus when you're really concerned about, you know, everybody else and I you know, you can by the way Working in gyms for as long as I have I mean you can you can not only see but you can smell the people who come in Who care what everybody thinks it's like that the girls that would come in Perfume would just like stink up the whole gym and full on makeup and None of them know what they're doing. Yeah, dude or the trash about that might appreciate them. Yeah, right Right, yeah, or the guy that's like, you know, gotta make sure I load up this trap bar machines Everybody knows how much I could you know, it's like, all right, dude. Nobody really cares. Nobody gives a shit Nobody cares. Look if you like our information head over to mind pump free.com and check out all of our free guides They can help you with a lot of your fitness and health goals You can also find all of us on instagram. So justin is at mind pump. Justin. I'm at mind pump sal and adam is at mind pump adam