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Yeah, what did you do, dude? Well, we did it Saturday night, so we went out to dinner. It was funny because we're outside and it felt like pre-pandemics. Everybody was out at the same time. All kind of crowded around these fire pits. Everybody, they were over 60 or so, acting like a bunch of kids, dude. I was just like, this is crazy. Like what, getting smashed and acting crazy? Yeah, well, I could tell a bunch of them were out on dates. And so they're all trying to be, like, these guys, like, got drug into these three girls, obviously, knew each other. Like, they were like all friends and talking the whole time. And the guys were just sitting there just like, duh. Didn't say anything. And this one girl gets up, the lady I should call her, because she's probably, you know, like 65 or something, and walks over to another group of guys over here just talking, all getting all smashed and talking, and starts flirting with them. And I'm like, wait a minute, isn't that this guy's date? And then it was like all this drama, and me and Courtney were sitting there eating, and it was just like hilarious, dude. Maybe that's part of the role-player or whatever. And I was like, they're probably all swingers or something. Yeah, later on they go home. He's like, I thought you fell. How hard was it to get reservations? Well, actually it was, because we went to another place in Aptos first, and it was just like packed, and we're like, nah. This is the rebound effect. We're not going to do it. This is the rebound effect. If I go out anywhere, because restaurants are starting to open up a little bit here, they're just, I've never seen them like that. Crazy. And I feel like everybody just- It's like the only thing to do. You know, it's like, there's no movie theaters. We actually like went to the movie theater and tried to support them. They're doing their popcorn and concessions and stuff. And so we bought some of that for the kids, and then we watched like a movie one of the nights. But you know, it's like, it sucks, man. Because that used to be like a fun thing to do every now and then. You could like at least go see something. Yeah. Jessica forgot I was Valentine's Day, which means I got to surprise her. I never surprise her, because I'm so terrible at surprises. Oh, what'd you do? Just had flowers and chocolate delivered. But she was so happy about it, and I was so proud that I didn't spill the beans. Because you guys know me, right? You didn't forget. Very hard. Like if I get someone a gift, something like as a gift, it kills me. I have to tell them right now. Well, especially if it's like a cool surprise, right? Flowers and chocolate is kind of consistent for that, right? It's not like a big surprise. Oh, it doesn't matter. It was a surprise. It's obvious. I just thought of it. And then here's a bear. Hey, shut up, man. I did a good job. That's all right, man. I thought I did. That's what I always do, too. Better than me. I mean, better than me. Did you do anything for Valentine's Day? No, no, we didn't do anything for sure. We're in the middle of moving, right? So the whole, I mean, our house is just a disaster right now. Boxes everywhere. And yesterday was, yeah, so do I. Yesterday I was clearing out underneath the house, and I'm pulling out all these boxes. And, you know, so I told, here's the deal. So Katrina, I've told this before, right? So, you know, expensive gifts is my love language. I like to buy that stuff. She hates that shit, even though she pretends to like it every time I give it to her. The stuff that she loves, that she saves, that she holds on to is a card if I write in. So I wrote what will go in a card, but I told her, listen, wait till we get in the new place in a week, and I'll do Valentine's Day. Oh, so you wrote it out. Yes. But it's not in the car. I backed myself up in case she was like, what the fuck? It's Valentine's Day and I got nothing. And I said, just so you know, honey, I already wrote your card. I just didn't do anything for you today. Happy Valentine's Day. You just got to finally get a diamond encrusted card. You know, it fits both of us. I love you, happy Valentine's Day. No. Thought about this for like two days. No, yesterday we were going through like, her and I were going through like boxes of stuff. So this is now our second move together since we've been together. And last time I had convinced her to like get rid of almost everything, right? But there's still boxes that we kept and that we packaged stuff up of, you know, understandably, right? Like old memories and things like that. Like, you know, I don't expect her or me to throw stuff away. It goes all the way back to when we were kids. And so I was like, let's try and purge some things before we move again. I know we did last time just a few years ago, but let's do it again. And we pulled these boxes out and we're going through stuff and just going down memory lane was like hilarious. One of the things that her and I were cracking up about is I've got these picture frames. Her and I both have this. We have boxes that take up three, four boxes of all these big and weird sized frames that we've had since we were like teenagers and stuff. And we agreed like, why are we keeping these frames? You could go rebuy another frame for like $7. We're never going to know this. We're going to put a high school frame picture of our high school girlfriend or boyfriend or whatever like up in our house. So why keep the frame? If you want to keep the picture, keep the frame and then just file it away. So we're like throwing stuff away. So I get to one of my frames and I got like one of these frames that sits- You should be allowed to shrine, don't you think? Yeah. Yeah. All your old girlfriends. I'm okay with it. So is she. So that's what's kind of cool about our- This is the road that led me to you, huh? Yeah, yeah. We've got all the mistakes I made. Yeah. We both have a- Stepping stones. A relationship where we actually, I mean, I love to go through her old boyfriend stuff. She likes to do the same thing. We think it's funny, whatever. When I'm going through this, I had this frame and it's got nine or 12 pictures and it like folds out and it stands, it's a big ass thing, right? And I'm like, I'm gonna pull the pictures out and I'm cracking up because, I've had this probably since high school. So there's been several girlfriends since high school, of course. And so my lazy ass as a kid, when I would date somebody new, I wouldn't even take it out of the frame. I would just put the new picture in it. In the frame. So yeah. It's like those Russian dolls on top of each other. Yeah. They're stacked on top of each other. I thought, oh my God. That's like a flip book. Yes. We're going through. I was dying laughing. Katrina was pulling out some old photos of boyfriends that she dated that were sending her like half nude model photos and stuff. We were cracking up. Oh, wow. Oh yeah. I think we got a little bit of work done and it ended up being like memory lane for half the time we were out there. Oh man, that's great. Yeah. You sent us some pictures of yourself when you were a kid. You must have found or whatever. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, I was going through there and found some high school stuff. You look more ethnic as a kid. I think that's what's funny about the, because I get lumped into the white privilege category as an adult, which I think is so funny. I think it's so funny because I have like, when I was a kid, I was teased for being, like when we moved to Colorado, it was bully. It was bullied in eighth grade and they called me every name under the sun because I looked ethnic. What's half your, I mean, your mom is... Yeah, my mom, yeah, my grandma's full, my mom's half, but they all married white men, so I have that white wash to me. And if I was somewhere where there was more Hispanic, brown people, then I didn't fit in with them. If I was somewhere where there was all mostly white people, I didn't fit in with them. So I've always been, no matter where I was in an outcast, but I always find it funny when people that have just found me, because of Mind Pump today, they look at me and assume that I'm like this white privilege kid. I'm just like, dude, that's so funny. I don't identify with that whatsoever. If anything, I was teased more for being the other one. Yeah, good-looking kid though. Yeah, my mom sent a bunch of old videos. Actually, this morning, she was watching some old VHS videos or whatever when we were kids. Man, we used to have family part... We still have these big family parties, but the family got so big when I was younger that we had to kind of split up. And I remember that. I remember these families as a kid, like family parties where, like for Christmas, there would be a room dedicated to presents. That's how many gifts were in there. It was literally a room, and if the door was open, they would kind of fall out. And I remember that as a kid, but it's hard to remember fully. Anyway, I'm watching some of these videos, and literally, you know, my dad, he bought like a VHS back in the day. So he's like, that was a big shot, right? So he's filming all these family get-togethers. And we were like sardines, dude. We were in the kitchen, and there's just like people just like a nightclub. That's how we used to hang out. That's a lot of people. It would be like a Sunday dinner, and there'd be 70 people in like a three-bedroom house. You know what I mean? If it was a holiday, it would easily hit 100. No problem. And then we all kind of do, but I'm watching these, I'm like, oh my gosh. And then the kids were just, I'm like, how did they, and it makes me feel, because sometimes I'll go to family function and there'll be like four kids. And you know, by the time eight o'clock rolls around, I'm looking at Jessica like, let's get out of here. I can't handle this anymore. I'm a wimp. They were like 15 to 20 kids running around, throwing shit or whatever, and everybody was chill. You know what I mean? I can't handle that. Different time. Totally different time, man. You know, I had it, I posted it. I think I sent this on the, or put it on my story too, is there's pictures of me, and you know, Justin, did you see the ramp that we had built when we were kids? Yeah, yeah. So I got to be, you know, there's no, I got no helmet, no nothing on it. We're a helmet. We're right, and we're not dirt. We're on the asphalt in the middle of the street jumping on this thing. And I'm like, okay, I'm doing the math on the age on there. So we moved from that house when I was nine. So I got to be between seven and nine years old. You're a little kid. I hit that in the middle of the street. Dude, this is why, I tell you, this is why our generation, all the weak kids are dead. So that's why I also left over. I didn't post this, but there's photos that the next page of my, that album. So we, I mean, I must have took 40 photos of us jumping as a kid, right? They're terrible with like blurry with a camera, one of those old cameras with the flashes on top. We took photos of the bottom of our bike tire because we thought it would be clever. One of us laid underneath the ramp. You jumped over. Super safe. Yeah. Can you just picture these kids? Yeah. Middle of a street, main street, big ass ramp. I'm like seven to nine years old somewhere between there laying underneath each other jumping. Oh dude, we used to take those like long board, like skateboards, and we would do downhill boarding. You know, on asphalt. Oh yeah. And sometimes we do that with like flip flops on it. Like, I just remember just like skinning my, like my feet, my knees, everything's a bloody rod. Come home and be like, ow. Now think about that. Like if you really think back, was there ever a moment you would come home after being outside all day where you didn't skin something? There was something always. My mom kept peroxide on the, on like the outs, we didn't even put it in the cupboard. It was just like out. I was trying to explain that to my kids, like this weekend I was at my parents and like ever, like he had just like skinned something. Like, and he's like, let's put some Bactin on it. You know, like you got some Bactin in here and he's like, what's Bactin? I'm like, you don't know what Bactin is? Oh, just wait. Oh my God. He's like, you can feel it clean everything. Oh, it was, I remember it almost being competitive that my butt, like who could get it to bubble up the most? Like who had the bigger, the bigger burn? It's real dirty in there. You know what my dad used to make me do? When I would go help him, when I'd go work with him, whatever, and I'd get blisters and shit in my hands or whatever, I'd fall down because we're working on construction. I'm like nine years old. He'd be like, he'd be like, here, put some, put some cement on it. So I'd like rub my hands together with cement. He goes, it'll harden up and stuff. I know, I'm like, I'm surprised that I didn't get, maybe I will later, maybe I'll get some kind of cancer. So you're working with my dad when we were in construction. If you like split your finger open or cut it on something, glue. Oh yeah, yeah. Fantastic, super glue. Actually, actually. They did in the war. They do that now, you know, in the hospital. That was actually pretty smart. Just don't put gorilla in your hair. I saw another one too, I guess, like even further back, I don't know if it was medieval times or what it was, but they actually used spider webs as bandages. Yeah. That's fucking creepy. I heard you say that. Ew. Yeah, spider webs are, you know, you ever read the properties of spider webs? Oh, well, it doesn't make sense how strong they are. The tensile strength for how, you know, light and small or whatever it is is like, it's on another level. Yeah. Really? Oh dude. I did not know that. Oh, it's stronger on a weight, you know, weight by weight basis or whatever. Yeah. It's stronger than steel. What? Yeah, you didn't know that? I did not know that. Oh yeah. Yeah, spider webs are, the tensile strength, the strength that they have for how small they are. Right, right. They've been trying to engineer it forever, you know, for bullet proofing and all this kind of stuff, but that's what led to the goat that actually threw its milk like they genetically engineered it so it basically would have spider webs coming out of its teeth. Oh, look at this. See, it tells you right there how strong it is compared to steel. So, isn't that crazy? That is wild. Yeah, it's really, really crazy. But what you're saying, Justin, I remember reading that. What is wrong with scientists? Again, this was years ago. This is what I get over a decade ago. They genetically engineered a goat. Spider goat is what this is. To create spider webs in its milk. Yeah. You know what I... Why? It's disgusting. Yeah, exactly. Really? Just because maybe we can? Well, because I mean, they could just produce it, mass produce it, because I mean, think about like harvesting like webs from spiders. Yeah, that's going to take a lot of spiders. You know what I feel like though sometimes? Here's what I think. I think sometimes... So the theory is that the goat would milk out spider web. They created milk and there were strings of spider web. It's disgusting. I don't know who thought of this. Well, I was just going to say, I wonder... This is what I think. I think that, you know, they're really, really smart. So you have these super smart scientists and they're like, he's like, hey dude, like, let's imagine we're all like super smart scientists. Like, hey, you guys want to come over tomorrow night and get real high? Yes, because they smoke so big. So then we come up, we get blazed and we're like, hey, let's think of something. What can we do? Let's do something crazy. I want to make a frog that can fly. Oh, shit. We can totally do that. Let's make a frog. They come up with a crazy idea like this. And then afterwards, they come up with a reason. Like, oh, this is so that we can make spider webs mass produced. Yeah, that's for the military. But what if they fucked up though? What if the goat ended up, like, walking on the walls and got two extra legs? Oh, yeah. Had like venom. Goats like biting people. What have we done? Yeah. Anyway, crazy stuff. That's a messed up petting zoo. Dude, I had a great conversation with Jessica this weekend that I wanted to share with you guys. So, you know, one thing I love about her is very few people can get me to think as deeply as she can. And we were talking about just working out in fitness. And she was at, she asked the question. She goes, why is it when, cause she's gone through different phases in her fitness history. Before I met her, she went through a period where she was just a cardio machine. She would run miles every day. And because that's what she thought was the way to, for fitness or whatever. Of course, when I met her, she got really into resistance training, all that stuff. She says, why was it when I used to do lots of running and cardio when I would stop, I would gain weight faster than when I lift weights and I stop? Like what's the reasoning behind that? Why is it that stopping the cardio makes me gain body fat more or stopping weights? I don't gain, I don't notice that kind of a rebound. Well, the process of atrophy is longer. The minute you stop doing cardio, the benefits of it end right then and there. The benefits of you building muscle is a faster metabolism. It takes a while for that to fall off. 100%. So you get a lot more leeway time. 100%. So I was thinking how to explain this, but when you're doing lots of cardio, especially as a fat loss strategy, the benefit of the cardio is it just burns a lot of calories manually. Yeah, while you're doing it. Yeah, so you're running for an hour. You're burning, let's say, five or 600 calories. And here's the other thing. People don't think about how exercise causes your body to adapt and change. Cardio, you do lots of it and your body just gets better at endurance. There really isn't a metabolism boost from that. If anything, over time, it can actually teach your body to burn less and less calories as you become more efficient. But even if we negate that, right, you're burning calories through running. When you stop, the benefit's gone. The benefit's gone and you've now decreased your caloric burn by five or 600 calories a day. Right. When you're lifting weights, you know, an hour of weight training, you're going to burn maybe 160 calories, maybe 200 if you're going real intense, at most, right? So way less than cardio. But the adaptation from resistance training speeds up the metabolism, both through the muscle-building effect and also because it teaches the body to become less efficient with calories. So when you stop lifting weights, you're now burning 160 less calories a day, not that big of a deal. But the metabolism stays fast for a while. Now, it will slow down as you lose muscle, but that process takes longer. So cardio is one of those things where, as a strategy for weight loss, number one, it doesn't cause the preferable adaptations of metabolism boosting. And also, you stop it, you gain back very quick, not so with resistance training. There's another factor, too. Okay, so have you ever seen somebody who is really lean from doing cardio versus someone who's muscular lean from weight training and both those people add 10 pounds of fat onto their body who looks way better? Of course. The person who built all that muscle, you've shaped the body by building muscle, and so sometimes, even when you put on a little bit of body fat on a body that's been, that muscle's been built on, it actually looks better. That's right. It looks more shapely. So both people could have gone up the same as far as adding 10 pounds of fat to their body, but the body that was lean from just cardio versus the body that was lean from building muscle and from being lean from lifting weights, that person, if they both put 10 pounds on, looks dramatically different just because of the muscle. And people forget that your, it's body fat percentage, it's not total body fat. In other words, it's a percentage of your overall body weight, right? 20 pounds of fat on a 200-pound man is 10% body fat. You are lean. 20 pounds of body fat on a 100-pound man is 20% body fat. You are obese. Very big difference. The difference being it's a percentage, right? It's a smaller percentage of more weight, and that's what muscle does. And then here's the other thing. Building muscle, what it does for women is it shapes the body. It gives them more curve. It's funny because you'll hear women say that, like, I want nice curves. What they don't realize that they're saying is I want to build more muscle. They don't think that's what it is. They just say, I want more curve. But in reality, I need to build more muscle. So I thought that was interesting. So we had a good conversation on that. It's just another reason why the probably the best strategy, definitely this best strategy just for fat loss general is to prioritize resistance training. Yeah, it's just another one of those uncommon, you know, conversations like you're not going to hear that a lot from everything else that we're getting marketed to. So, you know, I think that just needs to be reiterated constantly. All of the friends of Courtney, it's like one of those constant things I'm trying to like explain. So that's just another good way, good example to kind of bring up with that. I read an article this weekend that I wanted to share with you guys so we could speculate together. So it was, I forget what it was titled, but it was in 2030, no one would own anything anymore. Yeah, I've seen stuff like this. Yeah, and I think we've kind of talked a little bit about like, you know, the car theory and stuff like that, but it wouldn't even further the stuff that I wouldn't even think about. For example, like your utensils in your house, your air fryer, your toaster, all these things, instead of even keeping it and storing it in a house, when you want it, it'll get to you. So when you decide you're going to use your air fryer on Tuesday night, it would be something as simple as putting it in your app that tomorrow might, or even that morning tonight, I'm making dinner with this. It looks like the Jetsons. Everything would be for rent. Everything would be a lease, and then it would be, and because if we solve the transportation thing, like the cost to get from point A to point B, unlike how we do it right now, I think they've already done this too. Like it would be way cheaper for no one to own cars and for us just to all share transportation. I was just going to say, to understand this, we would have to talk about something that's easier to understand, because it's hard to conceptualize renting my utensils. I use them every day all day long. But if you think about cars, right? How much money it costs you to maintain a car, both through insurance, registration, cost to upkeep, the tires, whatever. Maybe if you pay payments on a car, let's say you finance your car, versus paying each time you want a car to pick you up and drive you somewhere. And they've actually shown this. They've done the math with today's numbers, and shown that it would cost something like $1,000 a year to just drive around, have a car pick you up and drive you around, which is way less than it would cost to own a car. And then of course, storing your car in a garage, all that stuff. So it just, in my opinion, it makes too much sense. Nobody's going to own a car, or a lot of people, people who own cars are the same people who own horses too. They have a lot of money. You think that will actually translate to people that live in the middle of nowhere? So no. And that's what the article actually talks about. It's like metropolitan areas. Yes, city people. Their theory is that there'll still be people that want that kind of country living and ownership. And that's also their theory of what we see. They see that in the future going up. The price of owning property, land, and stuff like in the country in a way, continuing to rise, because people will like to have that. But everything within the city will be like least. You won't want to own anything. I mean, that makes sense. And now, of course, if there's just too small of a market, there's not going to really be a need to service it. But let's say there's a town that's got, it's small. Let's say it's 1,000 people. If a company could fully automate electric cars, and let's just imagine, they literally have a station near this town that has, I don't know, there's 1,000 people living there. It's got 200 cars, or 100 cars. And nobody needs to operate it. It's fully automated. So all someone has to do is go on their phone, hit the app, the car picks them up, drives them somewhere, and then drives back and charges itself. I can foresee at some point in the future that even small towns, people are not going to need to own cars because it would be very easy. If it's fully automated, if literally you hit it on the app, it takes itself off the charger, picks you up, drops you off, and then charges itself. And that's the theory with all these things. So imagine tonight, whatever dinner plans anybody has tonight, like everything from the food that you need to make that recipe to the tools that you need to use it. Like right now, we'd be like, oh, tonight I'm going to do Brussels sprouts, and I'm going to do a tri-tip this and that. Boop, boop, boop. You put it all on your phone, and then AI picks all that stuff up to sends a car to a certain time to your house, and it arrives, all the things you need to make that. And it'd be all bundled as one price. So I don't know if I can see this with stuff you use so often every day. I don't know how they would get through the trouble of, like, because I'm not going to plan to rent something that I use all the time. No, you're not going to do it like, I don't think forks and knives. Right. Things like that. But it does make sense for like an air fryer, my Traeger. Okay, your Traeger cost you... That makes sense. $1,500 for that. Right. If you were able, any time you were thinking about using it, it was like... It cost you $5. Yeah, $5, $10 for you. Plus, it came with the meat that you were wanting to grill and the whatever tools you needed, everything to come, the pellets, everything for such a reasonable price. You go, man, I would have to use that, you know, 100 times in a year for it to make sense to own it. I'm not going to use this thing 100 times in a year. I'll just rent it. You know what else I could see this with? Clothes. Especially... Yeah, clothes was another one they talked about. Yeah, especially clothes that you wear... I think the first market that's going to get crushed with that is nice clothes. Suits. Suits. I mean, I wouldn't own a suit if I had a tailored, fitting to my size suit that I could just rent and brought to my house. I wouldn't own suits. Or nice shoes. This is all like really heavily dependent on the delivery process. Yeah, the car is going to change everything. Oh, dude. When they're automated drones, like... That too. Oh, have you guys... Yeah, drones for sure. Have you seen it's... Is it Michael Jordan? I got to look this up. Either Michael Jordan has a new golf course. I want to say it's Michael Jordan's new golf course. I'll look it up. Give me a second on who's it is, but I've seen this. So check this out when you're out on the course playing and you want food, beer, cigar, whatever it that, you order it on the app. Drone brings it to where or hold you are and drops it to you. That's awesome. Yes. So there you go. I mean, you're already... I mean, how smart is that because they're on a private place. So you don't have to worry about any drone bullshit or what you can and can't do. So that's already a business that's already utilizing the delivery with drones. I wonder if... Now, I wonder if drones will... Well, I guess not. I heard Elon talk about flying like taxis and stuff. It's like too noisy. It wouldn't make any sense to have one. Well, the interesting though, like he was just on Rogan again. He was talking about like building and developing an upgrade, like a SpaceX upgrade that the test does at some point so they could hover. Wow. They could hover like up to like six feet in the air. Yeah. Look this up, Doug. It's Michael Jordan's new course or that course called Grove 20... It looks Roman numerals 23. Grove 23. I wonder what like... I wonder if like thieves in the future will like specialize in like taking down drones, delivering people. Of course. For sure. Oh, that's... That'll be all the next like heist movies we see. Like a targeted EMP. No, or a hat. You must take over the flight plan. No, man. I'm getting eagles. Yeah. I'm worried about... See, here's my... Then we start talking about like weird conspiracy shit. What if like somebody could just take over all these self-driving cars? Yeah. You know what I mean? You're like driving like when you're... Oh, sure. Hack it over and drive it. Justin's getting too loud on Mind Pump. He's going to get an accident tomorrow morning. You know what I mean? Wow, look at that. His airness is delivering drinks and snacks to players on the course of the air. Wow. You know, now... Yeah, that's pretty cool. Because it's his course and it's private and these are drones, I'm sure a freaking hot dog is like $75 then. If the drone drops it off. I mean, they're already in dog. Oh, yeah. I don't know or maybe it was able to cut costs. Now you don't have to pay an employee who's driving around on the cart and you're probably increasing sales. One of the things when you're golfing that's a pain in the ass is you may go four holes and never see a cart come by. Think about how much that would increase sales that instantly when you decide you want another cigar or you want another drink he's got a whole fleet of them going running out there and stuff. Wow. Isn't that brilliant? That is very, very cool. I know. Are drug dealers in the black market using drones to get drugs places now? Dude, they must be. I'm wondering, is that a thing? None of my drug dealer friends are doing that. I mean, Bitcoin though. I mean, they all are using Bitcoin. I'll tell you that. That's big. Remember, we talked about a long time ago and that for sure was my theory was regardless if you believe it's going to be our future currency or not the black market fully has adopted. Yeah. I would think like drones in order to not be detected by radar and not be detected by all these like normal flight patterns and things. Yeah. That's what I mean. Like how can they keep tabs on these things? So I would think that would be a perfect way to smuggle stuff. Now Justin, because you're my conspiracy theory friend. The creation of Bitcoin, massive mystery. There's a name of a guy they think that invented Bitcoin. Nobody knows who he is. I thought the theory is it's like 17 of some of the most brilliant minds together. Whatever. There's a lot of theories. Nobody knows for sure. Nobody knows its origins. Nobody knows what the fuck. It's just all of a sudden there and now people are using it. Yeah. What if Bitcoin was created by the CIA as a way to track the black market as a way to see what's happening in the black. It's electronic. So they're watching what's happening every once in a while. They go in and Okay. So the theory is that they're just going to sit back though and wait. Of course. If you were the CIA, you wouldn't just hammer everybody all at once. Then you'd lose your most valuable tool. I think it's New World Ordered, bro. I mean, I don't think so because it wasn't like Silk Road was one of the first places that adopted it. Right. Yeah. Shut down. But I'm wondering if they did this because like, listen, we need to come up with a way to track the black market. And then everyone when we want to Well, yeah, I mean, that's not that crazy of a theory. I think too, well, even the internet itself right started as in the military. Yeah. And then they adopted it worldwide. Dude, the CIA has done some shady, shady shit. Are you guys familiar with the Iran Contras deal in the 80s with Reagan? Are you guys familiar with this? No. Oh, this is real. This is legit. This is not a theory or whatever. It's actually happened. We were trying to by proxy, right? So this is during the war. And there was, you know, anywhere communism was spreading, we were ready to stop it. And I get that. I get why, you know, we were afraid of the Soviet Union. There were nukes pointed at each other or whatever. So in South America, you had groups that were trying to overthrow countries with, you know, like Marxist revolutions. So what we would do is we would fund the opposing side and we'd give them weapons or money. Right. Well, at this time it was very unpopular. American public did not want it. And so getting that money was almost impossible. But remember the CIA, they and a lot of people believe that they operate outside the government. They're like, we need to do what's best for the safety of the nation. Right. So here's what they did. They're like, okay, we can't get money to support what we're doing because there's no political support for it. So here's what we're going to do. We're going to sell weapons to Iran. That money we're going to use to fund these rebels to stop Marxism. And the way they would bring the weapons down there because they had to keep it hush-hush is they would pay these like private, these people that own planes or whatever. They'd pay them to fly weapons down to give to these rebels. But here's the thing. These guys that they were paying, they were making money hand over fist because on the way back they're like, well, I'm already coming back. I might as well fly some cocaine over to America. And this is what caused the cocaine explosion in the 80s. It was all in the hush-hush. And the CIA literally turned a blind eye because they were at least we're going to stop communism. So cocaine was just flooding the country. That's true. There's a famous guy out of Miami. There was a documentary done on him that had the speed boats that he used to sell. He used to sell like the million dollar speed boats and it would come with a bunch of cocaine. Have you seen that documentary? I'll have to look it up to see what it was. No, but this is what they did. So to think the CIA would create Bitcoin so they could see what's going on and fuck with people. It's not out of the realm of possibility. I don't know. Definitely. I don't know if I subscribe to that. Well, think about it. If Bitcoin was really a threat to currencies, they would have easily been like, it's illegal to use Bitcoin. It's illegal to have it. It's illegal to trade it. And they would have shut that shit down so quickly. I mean, don't you feel like they are trying to? No, they're not. They've been trying to resist it for a hot man. They're definitely watching it. I mean, yeah, they're definitely watching it. They're resisting it like the MLB resist steroids. Oh, yeah, we don't really want to accept it. That's what I mean. Yeah, that's what I mean because it could have said it's illegal. No one can use it. You can't trade it. No apps can serve it. Apple, you can't have apps that do it, whatever. And then it would be pure black market, but they kind of legitimize it. They let it happen here and there. I'm telling you. I don't know. I don't know, bro. I like it. That's a good theory. Isn't that a good theory? That's good stuff. Speaking of good, did you guys like the orange slices that Jerry made? Oh, yeah. How fire were those? So this is what she did. Something I would have never thought of. The recipes on Instagram, I think it's on our mine pump. Oh, it's on Instagram? Yeah. No, it's not on our mine pump Instagram, Doug? I think so. Yeah. So chocolate, coconut oil melted, one packet of immunity sea salt, dipped oranges in it, incredible. Yeah. And the immunity of course it's got stuff. Where do you think you see it on our mine pump? Where do you think you see it? Well, here's the thing. This is going up on Thursday. Ah, they're going to post it. Okay. We're in the future. Okay, got you. We're in the future. I was like, no, Doug, no, it is not on there. Hey, hey, you know what? It's now. You know what movie I watched? I was so disappointed. And I should have listened to you. You told me it sucked. Wonder Woman 84. Oh, yeah. Was it good? No. It was a let down, dude. It was a terrible story. Terrible story. Oh, good. I'm glad. Sometimes we disagree on stuff like this. The plot was stupid. It was dumb, right? Oh, that sucks. Dude. So, yeah. Be careful what you say too much because Jessica gets like, oh, I know what you want to watch. Wonder Woman. No, I like Supergirls. Whatever, dude. They got Thor and all that stuff. Dude, give me a break. Yeah. So, here's just two things I hate in movies. When they do this in movies, I want to pull my hair out. One is when they end a movie where it was just a dream. So it's a shitty, like, easy plot, right? Where crazy stuff happens and at the end they wake up and you're like, oh, was all a dream? Yeah. This movie sucked. And then here's the other one. Whenever somebody, this is such a cop out, easy way to make weird shit happen. Somebody finds something that's magical and gives them wishes. That's literally the bad guy. The bad guy finds a stone and it gives them wishes so Wonder Woman has to fight him. Oh, my God. What? Yeah. Worse than a cartoon. I'm glad you hated it just as much because I thought it was super unoriginal. I feel like the first one got so much. And this is what they do, man. Yeah. This is what I, why movies suck now, dude, is they get these movies that go crazy and then they just make part two, part three, and they all suck. Yeah. It's just they, it's the same, the same story arc which is bullshit story. Well, Justice League's coming out. If it's not out right now. So I think Justice League, the new one's coming out and Superman's in it. He's got the black suit on. So you guys see what, so have you guys been watching some of these previews to like movies that they say are either, they're in theater or they go in theater or on HBO Max. Yeah. Or Amazon Prime. Yeah. So it looks like movies that would eventually go into the movie theater and how they're promoting them. There's going to be options going forward. Yeah. And I don't know if this is just for this time being that we're in this, this weird period of we can't go to the movies or this is the future. We're going to see people are going to have the option. Do you want to go see it in theaters or you can download it on HBO Max or. Yeah. I think they're going to be released in both at the same time. I haven't seen that with each movie. Kill movies. Yeah. That is going to kill movies. It'll kill the movie. As we know it, I think they're still going to make a killing. Movie theaters. Oh no. Theaters are done. Oh, that's what I mean. Oh yeah. Yeah. I think it's just because there'll be just too many of them to meet this, this demand. The demand is not going to be that big, but would be a theater where it's an experience. Yeah. So like you go there they give you alcohol, food, you know, and it's a movie. It would be like when we used to watch Big Lebowski. Like it was literally, like it's an old movie. Like everybody loves it and we would go there and it was just like you get white Russians and you talk shit the whole time and throw popcorn at the screen. That's actually really, it was really fun. If you could do cool actually. Yeah, they did that downtown Santa Cruz where white Russians are being served. Yeah. No shit. That's brilliant. So there's theaters that are doing the Rock and Horror picture show. Everybody dressed up. Yeah. Yeah. There was a theater in San Jose that was doing like all the Godfathers. And so you know it's going to be a bunch of Godfather fans. They're going to quote the movie as it's going on. Yeah. I can see that. The other thing that movie theaters did as a pivot that I think is smart and could keep them around is like what 100 something dollars. Yeah. So you just pay $10. Yeah. $10 ticket and go watch it with you know 50 or however many. Now I wonder what they're charging the theater to broadcast it. Oh yeah. I mean they're getting charged obviously a premium to be able to because the same thing goes like if you were at a bar and used to do the same thing too. I forget what you had to pay. I know. I remember when I had my my my studio I would put like UFC fights on and stuff like that. And I remember somebody was like did you know that? Wow. You're an asshole. Yeah. You're that guy. Yeah. Get out of my face. Speaking of movies you know every time I forget to wear blue light blocking glasses at night. Oh dude. Huge difference. Huge difference. I brought this up the last time we had a few great commercial about the my TV. And I misplaced them again and I was down there and I'm like it's so it's so funny because I've talked about on this show. It's happened to me a couple of times now I've watched that TV without wearing those. I get headaches for sure or just it's so hard for me to fall asleep from here's another use for the Felix gray glasses. Keep them next to your bed if you wake up to go to the bathroom because one of the one of the worst things is when you wake up to the bathroom you got to turn on the light or whatever and then it disrupts your sleep. Are you are you a turn on the light bathroom guy at night? I feel my way. Yeah. I'm a feel my way. Yeah. Well you sit on the toilet to oh yeah bro. What? Your wives must fucking hate you. Get out of here. Don't act like you guys and I don't sleep in a skirt so yeah. Stop. Stop your nonsense dude. I'm going to talk to both of your wives. I guarantee there's P all over the fucking floor and all over the scene. Hey listen to me. I'm very precision. I use exactly I use sonar. Yeah laser laser. You can tell you can tell where the piece. Guarantee I get a text message from Jessica and Courtney after this that's this episode for sure. You guys are not getting out of here. Especially like three in the morning when your dick's all smashed against your leg and shit. It's not shooting. It ain't shooting straight at three o'clock in the morning. Hold on a second. Come on. You don't know where you're ripping off your leg. It's stuck here there. You know where it is. You know where the end is. You just got to aim in the right direction and then you listen. Yeah. That's water. That's the floor. Yeah. Exactly. Yeah. Splash. The only problem is when you get the split stream then you're fucked. And you're like, wait a minute. That's water. Yeah. Yeah. That's rude. Yeah. If you're trying to pee with that. Like that's water and floor. Son of a bitch. It's a split stream. It's gonna work. Anyway, dude. You guys are ridiculous. Hey. I wanted to ask you guys about rep ranges. I find this with myself and I'm sure it has something to do with I'm sure there's a genetic reason for this. But of course, every time I switch to a new rep range for myself or when I do this with clients just the switch always causes the body to I also find that there's a rep range that and I found this with clients and I find this to myself all things being equal the low rep range for me if I transition to that it just kicks it no matter what it blows the doors off of the moderate and the high reps for me every single time. I think that's a genetic component. I would agree. Yeah. Cause it's not it's not that way for me. I feel that way whenever I go back to like 10 to 12 reps. You feel bad. That one. All things being equal is the best. Yes. And I started training in the low rep range. So I do but I consistently feel like and here's the thing too. There's I think there's it's you know, multi pronged here because it also when I lift heavy the most joint pains muscle tightness stuff starts to battle that the most which always ends up kind of hindering my workouts. We're in the 10 to 12 rep range. I never feel sure I never get I never get the it's super inflamed joints. I never feel so tight that my hips hurt for me. So that's why I also think I go that 10 to 12 if I switch to a new rep range, I mean, I'll make gains off the 10 to 12 15 to 20, all that stuff. But whenever I switch to a low rep range, it's like, I get some of that. I also get it though when I'm when I'm working on just like real power fast twitch movements. I get just yeah, that's another one of those things my muscles respond to because it is like I put so much work in that direction through all the years of sports and everything. Like, oh yeah, I remember this and it just gets right back. So another thing I would challenge all three of us then is this because I just I alluded to like the hypertrophy phase you alluded to explosive you alluded to strength. My question is what are you measuring? Like so when I'm thinking of when I say I see the greatest change change in my body and my physique my strength I agree with you whenever I go obviously I get the most strength when I go down in the three to five I gain size. Yes, me too. Yeah, I built like if I once I switch to low faster in that rep range than any other rep range it just piles on my body and I feel like but you're right, I mean like any rep range you got to move out of it and the low ones they just stress the joints and all the other ones. Yeah, yeah, yeah. First question is from Ryan Estep. What are some signals you can hone in on to know when you could benefit from calorie increase or decrease? Been around maintenance for a while and recently seen some slight puffiness. Have I adapted to that amount and need to slowly increase or is it a good time to go down? Yeah, well, first of all the comment slight puffiness that can mean a lot of different things that could be water retention, lack of sleep can cause puffiness also also when people say I'm at maintenance for a long time are you really at maintenance or are you winging it and feeling like you're at maintenance because when people are not literally counting and measuring and weighing they're almost always off. Right. So that's number one. As far as signals that can tell you when you can increase or decrease here's what I tend to pay attention to for myself and I would also use to coach my clients this way. When it was time to decrease let's say you're in a bulk you're eating more calories and you're burning when it becomes a chore to eat when you find your appetite start to decrease and it's like I can't eat this much anymore probably time to start to decrease calories and it's high and it continues to go higher and higher and then you start to notice that your strength gains start to really drop in the gym performance starts to drop maybe it's time to bump them here's a good rule of thumb I would say regardless of what your goals are at least every two or three weeks throw in a day or two that's different no matter what you can go back to what you were doing before and studies actually show this by the way there's a great study that was done not the long ago where they compared people who were on a higher calorie days and the people who threw in the higher calorie days burned more body fat and kept more muscle so it's a better strategy to do it that way I feel like whenever the results either direction slow up for example when I'm bulking and weight's coming on the scale even if I'm feeling a little puffy if I feel like the gains I'm built I like the way I'm looking week over week over week I'm gonna keep going if I feel like I don't feel like I'm liking the way I'm looking anymore strength is starting to plateau I'm in this surplus that's when I'll start to come back the other direction and the same thing is true when I'm gonna cut if I'm gonna cut and week over week I'm seeing improvement in my physique and I like the way it's looking I'm gonna keep riding it the minute that I start to see that slow down and I'm not noticing major progress week over week I go the opposite direction and I think that number is gonna look different for every person and for me what's hard about this is it's hard to remain objective because most people lean to either this is pretty general but generally speaking I could put people into two categories people who are more focused on gaining size and strength and that's what they think about mostly and then people who just wanna be lean or lose weight and that's what they think about mostly here's why it's difficult to remain objective if you're somebody that's always struggled with weight and you've been in this deficit for a long time you may ignore the signals because you're afraid you're afraid to increase your calories I don't wanna gain a single pound or people on the other side I was one of those people I always wanted to gain weight I always wanted to put on size you don't wanna lose any weight yeah so I don't care about these signals I don't wanna lose a single pound on the scale so it's really hard to stay objective which is why until you become super self aware you've been doing this for a long time and you've got some of those insecurities out of the way I would say every two or three weeks no matter what just put it in your schedule no matter what because whenever you ask somebody to be objective hey do you think you should start to cut calories do you tell that to the skinny kid no I'm gonna keep I'm gonna keep them high I think the signs are still good even though they're maybe not yeah next question is from Malibu Banks what causes some people to lose weight when reverse dieting after hitting a plateau I love this because you know I sometimes I'll get pushback from some of the stuff that we say on the podcast when we'll say things like you know lifting weights or reverse dieting plus lifting weights is a great way to boost the metabolism this question is an example of how we haven't quite figured this all the way out we have this this phenomenon happens always a lot and we'll get they'll send studies and be like look this study showed that gaining muscle only really increased the metabolism by 20 calories or whatever and this is all bullshit okay so we've witnessed this many times with many many of the clients that we've worked with with ourselves it's a real phenomena and increased or decreased calories yes your body can pair muscle down it can store body fat to store extra calories but it can also become more or less efficient with calories okay and we don't quite know how this works but the body can literally take 10 calories and become more efficient with it or become less efficient with it and the less efficient may look like some of those calories are just turned into heat they're just turned into extra heat in the body or extra energy or whatever and this phenomenon is hard to explain but it for sure happens I've seen this with my own eyes I've seen people who've been on a calorie deficit for so long their metabolism is really adapted to to few calories they're over training like crazy I'll reduce their exercise so they're burning less calories and I'll bump their calories and then they get leaner low and behold now it could be they built some muscle which then burnt more calories but I don't think that fully explains it I think there's other stuff that's going on and I've seen it again with my own eyes I don't know how to even explain it to somebody I just know that it works I know that this is what we're looking for like that's when I know things are going really well is when I can add calories to somebody's diet and they actually lose weight and it does it breaks all the rules that we're aware of and that we've been told forever but this is the benefit of weight training and this only happens by the way when you have somebody who is weight training in conjunction with their diet is I'd never see this with somebody who's doing cardio if you're doing cardio only and you're also trying to reverse diet I don't see the same thing happening but somebody who is lifting weights and a lot of times my simple theory of explaining is that your body would need those calories we are running lower without it and your body was waiting for us to give it those calories and now it's running more efficiently I mean I feel like it's when you tune up your car you can get a car that's at the same engine same everything but by tuning it up all of a sudden it gets faster you look at some of the studies observational studies on like POWs or who've been kept you know they've been kept captive for years and years and years and fed very very little and yes they come out lost lots of muscle very emaciated but still they are surviving often an amount of calories that usually doesn't make any sense like it doesn't make any sense that a grown man even if he lost muscle does stuff is surviving off of 400 calories a day how is this possible the body can really become efficient or not efficient with calories is it possible the ability to do this yeah it's interesting I know this is probably a terrible example but when I was going through carnivore diet I was anticipating like because I was eating such big volumes of meat that you know that was going to produce like a lot more waste and it was actually the opposite you know the waste the poops were a lot smaller than you know previous to that so I don't know if it was utilizing you know so you're like the leader of North Korea he doesn't poop he works so hard he absorbs all the food just little pellets yeah I think that might have to do more with the fiber in vegetables and stuff like that but I mean I'm telling you there are certain things I think we'll be able to explain this at some point but until now you can show me all the studies you want that show that oh you know building muscle doesn't really speed up the metabolism that much or whatever I have taken women who were eating 1,100 calories a day doing all kinds of stuff and I've gotten them to get their calories up to 2,200 calories a day not doing almost any cardio except for maybe some walks lifting weights twice a week and it doesn't line up with any of what the studies say it doesn't line up with any of it but legit and they're leaner and they've got muscle and the and it's not like they gain 30 pounds of muscle to make up the difference we're talking about you know 8 pounds of muscle on somebody this is a woman we're talking about I've seen this happen many many times so it's a for sure real thing and again you see people look how much they can eat with the little amount of activity they do compared to somebody who is doing tons and tons of activity constantly reducing their calories look at the difference next question is from more life Jojo it recently seems that a common message in the online fitness space is that we aren't meant to be lean all year long and that wanting to maintain a lean body is bad for our health what are your thoughts on this type of message I think this is a message that we've been saying for almost 6 years now it's finally getting out to the rest of the space and it depends what you mean by lean so do I think a man who's let's say 13% 14% body fat is going to maintain that all year long and be healthy even 10 10 is harder some people can maintain depends on who you're talking about but even 10 to 14 I think is very realistic yes I would say that's a good range and it depends on the person but you know why is it unhealthy to maintain very lean all the time if you've ever gotten down to single digit body fat as a man or if you've ever gotten down to let's say below 17% as a woman your lifestyle is very much dedicated to maintaining that leanness it's not a healthy lifestyle mentally or psychologically it just isn't you're constantly looking at that you can't you can't overeat this you can't do that you're thinking about food I gotta make sure I get this many grams of protein my carbs can't be over this or my fat can't be over that I have to work out like this all the time it's just not a healthy it's a very obsessive way of living it's just not healthy for most people especially for women body fat is essential for health and women who maintain these low teen body fat percentages all the time rarely do they have a period the hormones tend to be off many of them try to control symptoms with hormone therapy so no now when you go on Instagram you look at the pictures it looks cool right the shredded muscles whatever but it's not something to strive for all the time I think doing it every once in a while especially if you have want to see what it takes absolutely fine maintaining that probably not healthy well I think that you refer to Instagram I think that 80% of those bodies that you see on Instagram is bullshit if they're not being photoshopped then they were shot at a period of time and then Instagram people drip that over the course of a year so a lot of it's a facade a lot of them pretend like they look that way and they don't really look that way and then the ones that do the ones that walk around at 6% to 7% body fat year round you don't know the rest of their life how many people are suffering I mean I know I know how much Katrina suffered for me for me to compete I saw that and I remember that was a constant conversation with her that I'm not going to make you do this forever I promise I promise like there's a goal in mind we're going to reach that goal and then I'm done with this lifestyle as cool as looking that ripped was as cool as competing was I would never put that on my partner ever again and I've been in a relationship where I had somebody who was competing and I was like it sucks you know how lame it is that we have to like map out everything that we're doing all day long to make sure that he or she gets their meals all day just timed right or we can't go to this restaurant because they don't offer an option for this or oh I can't have popcorn at the movie theater I can't bring this home because then that makes her want to have it too like just that that lifestyle there's a lot to that and that's why too you see a lot of these fitness fanatics they end up marrying or dating another fanatic so they can be neurotic too yes they can be neurotic together not realizing how much of life that they're really missing out on it's just another form of an extreme you know and that's just the thing when you want to live in the extreme you're going to have to make compromises and other parts and other facets of your lifestyle are going to get affected and so it's like if that's what you really want and you desire constantly you know you're going to be battling some things along the way and that's the thing is in terms of like being super shredded and lean all the time like it's your body's going to be fighting you that whole time it is and your hormones suffer men's testosterone levels will drop women's estrogen progesterone levels kind of go out of whack I'll tell you what like here's the truth in the real life if you're a if you're a man and you're a strong 13% 14% body fat most women will consider you physically attractive if you're a woman and you're a strong you know 20 to 24% body fat but you're strong you obviously lift weights because the muscle gives you shape you look attractive physically attractive you look good you look healthy isn't that ironic though that we chase these ridiculous like thing but the opposite sex that we're trying to attract or the same sex possibly are not even attracted to that right it's almost like it's we're competing with our peers that's the only people that we're really trying to impress like if you're a ripped ass dude you know who thinks it's really cool the other dudes the other dudes you said there's I mean they've done they've done plenty of research around this most people want somebody in that kind of body fat range because you look normal and healthy and you look fun to be with you say you look like a good balance I remember going to the first time I ever went to a show I had my at the time my business partner was competing in bodybuilding and so you know when they did the show they also have you know bikini and figure and you know physique and odd stuff and I remember seeing I go backstage because I was helping them out so I was allowed backstage and I'd see these girls getting prepared in their faces they looked dead they were sunken in eyes gaunt and acne obviously because the hormones roll off and you know and this is supposed to be like the best way that they look and if I saw if I saw that person in real life I would think you know I would maybe think wow if this person gained 15 pounds they would look really good that's the thing too it's like it's not just the abs everybody wants these like dehydrated abs like you have to lose body fat all over your body and so you know you get that you'll get the the bony sticking out you know points that are unfavorable just to maintain this lean ab look now that to be you know it's also important to note that what isn't healthy either is to get lean every once in a while and then blow way up and then come back down too extreme right so I don't want us or I don't want to come off like we were advocating for people to be you know oh okay well the guys say I shouldn't be leaning that often so I'm going to blow up but we see a lot you see one extreme or the other you just see the neurotic person who tries to stay 6% year around or you see the average person who yo-yos hard they swing high up they could put on a much away and then they put nothing wrong going for a goal of trying to make that happen and you know and like get to a peak like you're peaking just like anything else with sports even for me it was like we went through an off season that led into an extreme you know competition at the end of that that I was preparing for but then I you know came right back into like a normalized type of training situation next question is from Gretz one two three is there an ideal ratio of strength you should have between your bench deadlifts and squats I can bench my body weight but I can't do that much more in deadlifts or squats okay so normally what you'll find is that you can bench a certain amount of weight you could squat more than that and you could deadlift more than that because your your bench is the lowest then it goes squat then it goes deadlift is that true for most people I thought it's interchangeable with the squat and the deadlift no some people and this is not most some people can squat more than they can deadlift but it's much more common that someone can deadlift more than they squat that was definitely me for a while I mean that's just because I didn't deadlift I didn't have the skill of it yet right right and every once in a while you see someone who could bench and you can see the way that they're built and you know kind of like the powerlifter like the guys who could bench like crazy deadlift and squat okay so here's a good number for a guy this is a good I guess strength goal that's probably attainable for most men if they train consistently being able to bench your own body weight being able to squat about one and a quarter your body weight and then being able to deadlift about one and a half times your body weight that's a good goal that I think most men if they train consistently could be able to accomplish if you want to be like I want to be super strong well if you bench like one and a half times your body weight squat two times your body weight deadlift two and a half times your body weight now you're starting to get pretty damn strong for a woman this is a little bit more difficult for me to figure out I'm trying to think what would be a good number you're probably looking at something like half body weight to maybe three quarter body weight bench squat probably body weight one and a quarter or something like that I remember TNation had a really good yeah TNation had a really good article that was like they had a whole chart they did they had a whole chart of this and maybe we can we can look it up and then hopefully attach it to the show notes it was and it had both men and women it showed you like like elite yeah yeah it said like bad good very good or whatever there's like three or four categories of what you're at chart to whatever it is for as a trainer I would say where you're at Salis if I if I had a woman that could do almost her weight and bench that's phenomenal and as long as she was squatting and deadlifting her weight and above we're doing pretty we're doing pretty damn good so oh there is that it so this is okay so mail okay here's what they have for they don't do this by body weight oh well actually they did 315 pounds or one and a half times your body weight good was 405 pounds or two times your body weight and great was what is that 465 or two and a half times body weight for squat for female it was 95 or 75 to percent 0.75 your body weight good 155 or one and a quarter your body weight great was what is that 205 because those numbers are pretty high those are yeah that's why even just decent is high on there I would say I mean when you're talking about okay the clients that we train which were average person average person I wanted the way I looked at it was rarely ever in their life they're going to have to pick something off the ground that's heavier than them right or squat something down that's heavier than they are so as long as the client that was doing that and then as bench pressing if I had a guy if he was able to at least do his body weight and for a girl if she was able to do 50% of her body weight to 75 I would be very happy yeah totally you know what's interesting too is that you typically will be good at like really good at one in comparison to the other totally your body type tends to like if you got long arms and you're kind of tall yeah you're probably better at I know for me my squat and my bench was good my deadlift was always great and it'll match my deadlift was always through the roof in comparison to the other two so that's the other thing but look here's the thing at the end of the day this is a question that's essentially saying how do I compare myself to other people that's a trap just be honest that's such a good point really and that's another thing too like if I had a client it was about where we started totally so even though we're all throwing out these random ass percentages and numbers you know if you have been strength training for you know months or years and you're better at all those things than what you were before you're in the right you're headed on the right this is a long journey man this is a long journey man I threw away all these standards and these like performance you know metrics as far as like oh here's what somebody your age and your body weight cause it just attracts you from you know like making progress for you individually especially the numbers that we just looked at Sal, you're right that's definitely geared toward the fitness community cause if you show that to a person who doesn't lift they are so they're not even close to deflated they're not going to get close to any of those at all they're going to be way that's decent oh I'm not decent cause I can't swap yeah no I wasn't telling that to your client what's the quote comparison is the thief of joy right so one of the biggest traps in just in life but especially in fitness is comparing yourself to other people it's not fair it is not a fair comparison everybody is so different so individual different genetics different diet different lifestyle different time that they can spend working out their limb you know length is different their muscles are very different their central nervous system reacts very different age different hormone differences it's so unfair to compare yourself to someone else if you want to compare yourself which there's nothing wrong with comparison but if you're going to do this you know you've heard apples it would be like me comparing my you know my 4x4 truck to a a Ferrari for 0-60 and being sad that my 4x4 truck is not as fast as the Ferrari it's not a fair comparison if you want to compare which is fine at least make it a fair comparison there's only one fair comparison in fitness it's you to you yesterday that's it there's nobody else not even your twin because they don't even live exactly identical to you the only fair comparison is you to yourself so questions like this yeah I know we gave out some numbers those are super general but to be honest arbitrary it's been all like I had clients who I had a woman that I trained who she was hyper mobile and very lax and she had beat cancer and you know her squatting the bar was a greater accomplishment than the you know 22 year old you know ex football player who I got to squat 405 like that's great but getting her to squat a bar from where she came from oh my god but still it's not there you compare yourself to yourself don't compare to anyone else because you will crush your take your joy right out of your life look Mind Pump is recorded on video as well as audio come find us on YouTube Mind Pump podcast you can also find all of us on social media Instagram so you can find Justin at Mind Pump Justin Adam at Mind Pump Adam and me I'm shadow band but if you type in Mind Pump Sal I promise you I'm there now is that you know a valid question for a potential client to ask 100% 100% I think it should be how many clients do you work with how closely do you work with your clients if you're a client and you're asking potential trainer think of all the scenarios where you've been disappointed before by the way if you're a coach think about on your come up