  completa                                                         dwe clarified gesit o briefly 在  сод dwe the shifting inabogia The 67-year-old politician returned to Nigeria in September after months overseas, but has been in a burden. The U.S. take capital. Accred Olu has been under intense pressure from opposition parties to resign or hand over power to his deputy in line with the 1999 constitution. Joining us is the human rights lawyer and political analyst, Alan Shogure. Alan good to have you again on plus politics. So can we say in real politic terms that there is a modicum of progress, but in unconstitutional terms are still same of the shame. Hello Alan. How would you? I can hear you. How would you want to respond to my inquiry? Is this the same of you? Go ahead, go ahead. So much motions, you know, don't stay without movement. What is constitutional cannot be done by mere political meandering. So I do not expect much difference until we are honest with ourselves and accept that the governor is ill and for now he needs to attend to his head and allow for the deputy governor which he is provided for by the constitution. I have so much respect for the president and I have been waiting to see the outcome of the resolution, how it will be put in operation and today we have seen it. It is not going to work. Somebody must be in charge and that is the law. The president cannot suspend the constitution. He cannot like one person above 5.3 billion good people of undostated who desire good governors. And I am very sure by now that the president will be great reporter. That resolution must be in charge of undostated somebody. Is it a governor or an acting governor? That is the law. So we must embrace the law, the provision of the law. In real politic terms you will agree with me that there is at least a modicum of the movement. There were weeks on end, weeks, if not months, that the executive council could not even hold its meeting. Today it held its meeting. Apart from that, at least there is now a semblance of governance. You and some other political constitutionalists may... And I am sorry, it is not even a derogatory term. But those of you who are political constitutionalists may want willingly that Akredo Lu must submit his letter of resignation and I hear that he will be made the substantive governor. But this is better than what it was, what it's been for months. How would you respond to that? Yes, I am not one of those people who are saying that Akredo Lu should resign ultimately. What I am saying and what I have been saying and what I will say is that the governor should simply step aside, attend to his health, transmit power. He is the governor. For he should transmit power to his deputy who continues acting. That will not stop him from receiving his salary. That will not stop him from the state taking up his medical bill. For somebody must be in charge of own those state. Like you rightly observed, the state executive meeting here today, if you have had any outcome, there was nothing. It was just mere ceremony. Because even as a lawyer, I can tell you authentically, the person who can preside over the committee of a state is either the governor or an acting governor. There is no provision that the deputy governor can preside over his committee. He must be acting governor. He must have the capacity of either the governor or acting governor. So why are we running away from the fact? Why are we running away from the obvious? The suit that you people filed, I guess the last time we spoke, you intimated us with the fact that you filed a litigation concerning the ruling party respecting the integrity of the 1999 constitution. How far with that litigation now? Yes, that is one of the major mistakes that Abuja called as recorded. Some of us who you could call stakeholders were not invited to the meeting. So the problem is a problem of own those states but at that meeting it was reduced to the problem of the BAPC and with respect to whoever conceived the idea of that meeting. That was a mistake. And Mr. President Pisada did not have a meeting as chairman of the BAPC and not as president of Nigeria. So we are happy that they have come out with their own resolution. Some of us who are stakeholders considered our interest is connected to this. We are caught. So their decision will not affect us. It will not be part of your meeting. How will your decision affect me? To God be the glory. Let them put their decision or their resolution into practice while we pursue our own different independence. But you and I know that the will of justice can sometimes be very, very slow in our jurisdiction. And within the context of the time left now for the tenure of Ben Yakredulu to end the action may indeed be ultimately superfluous. How would you respond to that? Let me bring you up to speak with what is happening under state. A state high court today has granted an order stopping the inauguration. Hello. We can hear you. Hello. How would you? You said the state high court has granted an order stopping the inauguration of the state high court has granted an order stopping the inauguration of the state high court has grantedan order stopping the inauguration�  최근                                     ೀ elemento ೀermouncho ೋ feasible izable ınız  ಣಇಕೇ ಲೋ ಮೇಅೀ May want to say that As we speak, whether people like it or not, there is progress, at least relative to the total state of inactivity and non-action that prevailed for months. So, if the court, which is the only constitutionary course that people like you have, if the courts have not pronounced regarding what prevails now, at least, those who want to see governors who will at least be taking respite in this contraption that has started existing from today, I will respond to that. So, what you are trying to do is with addressing, you must address the issue on its root. Is the governor available with your grant to carry on his duty? No. What does the law says whenever the governor is not available? Hello, Aleshwara. If you are certain fraud or forgery, if you are certain fraud or forgery, you know that's just mere allegation. It will take a court of common jurisdiction to pronounce that those signatures are forged because you never know maybe the governor himself signed those documents that you are alleging to be forged. You know when I make pronouncement on national TV like this, you know that I am equally prepared and I am ready to take up legal and constitutional means to challenge such. We are be calling for such documents and we will go to court. The moment we have evidence, the moment we got everything, we are going to go to court to see who has be forged the signature of the governor. So, I am telling you that I also have a duty in journalism, I have a duty in ethics to let you know that in so much as you can assert that something is forged until that thing is pronounced by court of common jurisdiction, it will stand as an allegation. Do we agree on that? I am not saying that it is not an allegation. An allegation can be broadcast on national TV. I am alleging that some element in the state has been forged in the signature of the governor. And I am saying that I will take it up as a model legalize to challenge this by the time we completed guarding our evidence. So, there is nothing of fear. I know you have to protect the ethics of your profession. I am just saying that allegations are real that some element have been forged in the signature of the governor. And that is where we are in those things. I will ensure that some persons in those states who at this juncture don't want to come on camera are saying that people like you are saying that people like you are, you know, are surreptitiously working for the deputy governor, that you are indeed making this force because you are lethantly supporting the machination of letting the deputy governor be made substantive governor because you are expressing. How would you want to respond to that? That is an allegation, but I have to ask you that direct question. It is the same people who blame the opposition. Oh, there is no opposition in those states. Opposition is dead. It is the same people who said that this cannot have happened in the days of vibrant youth in those states. It is the same people who turn around and say that I am working for the deputy governor to God to be the glory. I want to work for progress. I want to work for my conscience. I want to work for the good people who are from those states. So, who is working for this darkness, these messages of darkness? Who has brought this darkness to those states? So, you are telling the world that this is basically an altruistic duty primarily for the constitutional integrity of Nigeria and indeed primarily for the respect of the 1999 constitution. Exactly. I expected even by now that Mr. President should have invited the attorney general for his advice in the situation in those states. I expected that some of us senior lawyers, because this is the same position that if Ghani Fawebemi who is incidentally was from those states would have gone to court to challenge and you agree with me that many of senior lawyers in those states are not talking. Thank you. Thank you, Alan. I really want to appreciate you about time we ended it. We go for a short break and when we are back, we take on the second segment of the show.