 మామ్ర మానిన ంఠినటాతిం రినినిలిల౾ రివాసం కిబి పరినిలిలా ఆధగమిక౿కసిస Bundest గాగసిం... because that's the very gory visual to see. So police brutality is the excessive and unwanted use of force by law enforcement against an individual or a group of people. It is an extreme form of police misconduct and is a civil rights violation. Police brutality includes but is not limited to beating, shooting, improper, takedowns and unwanted use of tasers. Now we see a lot of this happening right in Nigeria and it's not really acceptable. So today we're asking can we actually curb police brutality. Now please let's hear what you have to say. Remember you can join the conversation, send us an SMS or what have to do with 1-803-4663. You can also see that does that way show after one with the hashtag way show. Alright so ladies, I mean this conversation is actually very tiring to have. The whole event that happened October 20th 2020 the ensars and police brutality and all of that was just based on police brutality and you would have thought that after all that outcry and everything and with all the things that happened there would be some level of caution on the part of the police official but it seems like even some of them have become a lot more emboldened. The other day I saw a video online a road safety officer he even broke the guy's phone he was asking, demanding to check his phone or something you see these things every day. Do we have guys that are into fraud in Nigeria? Yes, we have internet fraudsters but are there better ways that the police can engage the citizens that would not result into brutality like this. Now the young man that was being chased I am sure it is Okada maybe he is riding if you check it is not going to be far from the fact that he is riding and Okada in a ban area and normally what they do is they seize the bike so that they can then use it for you know to go and they will go back and say okay pay a fine or something and all of that it's not more than that I don't think that that transaction would be more than that because that's usually what happens in those kind of areas so they will take it away from you but to the extent where you take a baton and hit the boy to the point that his head is broken and blood gushing out you know I don't understand how how I am a police because I mean in 2020 when NSAS happened I was very vocal about it and that was because for me it wasn't something I was seeing on social media it was I had a first-hand experience with the Nigerian police I was coming from an event with a friend of mine this was about maybe 7pm it wasn't dark and this was within Surulere and these guys these police guys they were just almost in front of a police station and the next thing I mean all that noise you know the way they talk they speak with so much venom you know all that noise and then calm down calm down calm down what are you coming from work and then what do you do we brought out our ID cards and we are like and the next thing we had guns to our heads like guns this was 7pm 7pm it was such a mad house because these guys they were trigger happy they were going to shoot people ran away literally left their cars and ran off out of those police guys I mean these were like 8 guys one of them was elderly and so I melt down of course I was agitated I didn't even know what to do as I was speaking Yoruba and then this man obviously was a Yoruba man he heard what I was saying and he said to me just come behind me just stand up and come behind me so this guy moved moved towards his colleagues and his colleagues pointed they were going to shoot him as well like why you defending and the next thing go and bring money we would drag you to so we heard somebody somewhere we didn't know whether maybe the person was hiding and was saying if you follow them that is raping on a different level and nobody will even see you guys again so we kept this old man just kept you know he just kept saying just move far just be begging from far don't stay around them because these guys are high these guys were uniform so for me every time I go out and I have course to be around police I don't even I don't want to hear I don't want anybody around me arguing with them you want to start don't explain please let me just come down and move far because these guys they can do and on you don't know what they can do at any minute I've seen them shoot someone because I don't know the person was trying to explain something and the next thing they were like oh he's a suspect see Nigerian police they are a different breed I don't know what it is I don't know if it's a product of their mentality if it's a psychological thing if I've tried to rationalize it personally I don't know where they are coming from because sometimes you ask yourself what would make a person stand up in broad daylight and just point a gun at someone and shoot the person dead and then you walk away what would make you do and you feel so there's no remorse I mean in other parts of the world you know police easily say oh I feel threatened yes because maybe in those societies gun violence is a serious issue in Nigeria even when you see a Yaw boy is I'm not sure that these are people or you would readily in 10 Nigerians that they arrest you would readily find 6 that will have guns exactly so when they bring out a gun and the next thing is they want to shoot or they just immediately get killed to them you can't explain you can't talk you can't try to reason with them they just do whatever they want to do and that's it they get away nobody, me I can tell you you saw these things we see on sexual media they say oh we are taking action forget it there's no action anywhere it's just propaganda there's no action anywhere friends they know it's one of the reasons I don't go out at night you're always rushing to go home I don't anywhere I see a police checkpoint I would rather come down work I'll just walk past them I might join the car in front or whatever I don't even want if I'm with a driver and police stops and he tries to say please no no no it cannot be you cannot want to prove that you know if I mean it cannot work you have to keep quiet if they see anything just say yes sir yes sir please don't explain don't try to do the right it's one thing with what you said right if there is a dead body on the ground right and a gun is placed on the hands of that dead body that dead body is an armed robber you're a criminal simple because you can't tell who is a good person I mean I've seen I've heard of so many stories of how they pain you know and criminality yeah just because they want to defend why some people were killed but let me hear your thoughts Isidina I'll come back to you Gloria wow this the story by Adiola is really frightening to be candy it is however let us look at it from the point of view that police brutality is not just in Nigeria it is worldwide basically it's not just in Nigeria it's an extreme form of gross misconduct on the part of the police officer and we have seen it in apathize we've seen it in America we've seen it in in whatever capacity in different ways where the government is trying to prove some sort of law or whatever the police will also go the extra mile to do something about it or go the extra mile to make it more frightening for the citizens so if it can be curbed is a key question that I think we need to answer now to answer this we have to look at it from the perspective of what is it what's the reason for that police brutality in America it could be due to racism but in Nigeria like Diola said is on another level it comes down to different things such as lack of empathy from the side of the policemen it also looks at we can also look at it from the part of corruption we can also look at it from the part of unreliable leadership in the police force we can also look at it from point of view that it is about survival or greed on the side of the police officers themselves so we have a long way to go in respect of shifting the mindset of the police officer because the police officer will now look for some the likelihood of getting a victim is coming back to the citizens and the citizens are vulnerable to them because they are under they are overworked they are unenlightened but they are not that exposed so what would they do they would react based on their emotions and based on the fact that like Diola said they could be probably high on something so they are all looking for a way to calm their nerves and this comes from the fact that we have individuals or citizens who are living well who are driving their cars and the police man has not been able to pack even a kekena pep so you see that they are already they are already angry at the citizens absolutely just give me a minute let's go on a break I want to open our phone line this is interesting it's like a kekena pep why don't you resign and leave it there are some things that there are some things that you have to be empathetic for you to be in those kind of places but there is no testing let's take a break we'll be right back alright thanks for staying with us now if you are just tuned in we are discussing the topic can police brutality be curbed and we have all the ladies in the building now remember you can join the conversation send us an sms or whatsapp to rate 1 8034663 you can also tweet at us at 07025007749 that's the number to call and I believe we have a caller Grace okay she's gone okay so let me let you finish your thought then I'll come back to Glory so like I said earlier I was talking about the fact that it comes back to the vulnerable in the society and who are the vulnerable in the society is the citizens who are vulnerable in the society so what do they do irrespective of sex or gender they would look for somebody who is like a prey to them I believe vulnerability is not limited to citizens even the police officers they are also vulnerable if you look at it in some context but in this context they are the aggressors they are the aggressors they are the ones that are after the citizens they are the ones look at the young man even if he is in a wrong environment not taking the Okada riding the Okada on the wrong part of the town they should have found a way to interact with him it's not like he stole something what he just did was he was in the wrong area at that particular point in time so empathy was totally lost there was nothing they just told that they were entitled to taking his bike doing what they wanted with him without any consequence and knowing fully well that he doesn't have anybody to stand in for him look at the night we went we were coming back from the show during the ensas period of Sayuame can you recall what the policemen did to us at Ajiwe the COVID lockdown I remember you can see that if you hadn't made that call to the police authority you knew at the time it's been a different story for us as well so it's not a thing whether they are also victims it is based on the reaction that they had the fact that they said I should kill somebody does that mean I should take the knife and stab the person I can actually use my discretion and go about it in a civilized way I don't have to do anything that is detrimental to myself as a person because they are supposed to be our protectors if our protectors are stealing from us raping us or taking things from us a situation whereby somebody said that I think this happened like two years ago where he said that he was robbed by policemen the policemen told him to transfer money into their accounts I think about a tin of about one hundred and fifteen thousand there at the time and he was a young man they asked him what kind of phone are you using they shouldn't have done that it's not their right they don't know how this boy is surviving they don't know how he is working when he is working for his money he respected the fact that if he is a fraudster or not a fraudster I would say the key thing is that they should be better paid they should be better trained and that will lead to a shift in their mindset and that will help them think better again can it be curbed yes but can it be eradicated no let me hear the glory your thoughts so you cannot be eradicated listening to all of you talk it's a lot especially your story I remember when my junior brother came to Nigeria for the first time one of the things among which I told him to be careful is Nigerian police and when I had the second thought about it it was so saddening because they are supposed to be protecting you don't want that's meant to protect you be careful of your protectors so that just shows how bad the system and corrupt the system is personally when I'm on the road at night I'm really sort of on ease because I don't like facing police checkpoint I don't know what to expect back to the topic can it be curbed yes just like Issy said I like the statement you made when you said a lot of things is happening in Nigeria all at once so when do we expect this to happen that's the question because from the end starts till now there's been no significant change some of the issues that were brought up then I don't think it's still been addressed and so when will it be curbed can it be curbed yes like Issy said true reforms true training but the stakeholders those who are supposed to be active participants in this how willing are they to get involved in this the amount of impunity in the police system has really encouraged most of the police officer what they are doing because they know they can easily go free they are not held accountable and even for some of them which are paraded maybe by mistakenly a video capture someone that's when they will come out to say we are doing this at the end of the day after a week everything disappears so how intentional it could be curbed if the key stakeholders are intentional about making these reforms taking steps but then again it's sudden because if we now talk about increasing their salary because that's what most people will say they are underpaid so that's the reason they collect bribe that's the reason they do the things they do but if you look at how would they even be paid the Nigerians look at the economy it's something else it's a lot of problems here and they are so difficult to resolve the Nigerian problem I would debunk that Gloria they can be paid it's due to corruption where we have leaders who are instead of them to pay them they actually use the money for something else it's not about whether it's possible for them to be paid I mean what are we paying our lawmakers it's impossible for them to be paid I was just going to say that have you been to the police barracks before so I think one of the fundamental problems why it's going to be somewhat impossible for us to curb police brutality is because I mean you can't give what you don't have absolutely they have not been taught to value human life because they don't even value their lives if you go to the police barracks you see the dilapidated states at which they are living you go to the police go to any regular police stations go to their toilets go in there it's almost like I can't even describe the living conditions of these people so if I don't understand what it means to value human life there is absolutely no way I can also value somebody else's life so I believe that it has to be a very deliberate attempt right and a deliberate action that needs to be taken we must enforce it in a way that you must accept good things and it's not as I said earlier it doesn't stop at the police from the immigration from the airport in Nigeria when you are welcoming there are people in Nigeria that's tench of the Urine and all of that so I mean if you say to people that you are coming into a place where we understand and we respect and we love our citizens and we give them the best it will trickle down to every aspect of governance and leadership the police is just a branch so the problem is in the root of the tree police is just one problem that is a corrupt root that has already so it is spreading out and bringing out corrupt branches that's what is happening because I don't understand how we have gotten to this point where we do not even value human life these people yes they break laws and I mean I've spoken to someone before that we all know is a friend of the house he said that even this traffic situation in Lagos sometimes the law enforcement agencies deliberately create those chaos because they know that in that chaos some Nigerians will get agitated and they want to break the law because they will not use that opportunity to generate revenue let me take Ezekiel from Akbar then I will continue my thoughts Ezekiel you are live good evening very well thank you it's not in good it's a very good in human now the issue of the issue is not in this man it was not but that is your a quick action we are now questioning now what is going on and you almost got free when we are moving we are moving in a city in Ostra a police man but if a police man do a citizen they will go to school the case of that woman that was killed last year on the last day that is now a die down we are not here to end the game it's not known but I believe that this trip can be cut it can be curbed absolutely I believe so too this is all coming off of the back of Shayun Kuti's arrest because now Shayun Kuti said it was almost like a threat to his life they wanted to kill him and his family so that was the anger that agitated the slap even though I mentioned it the day we analyzed it I would not go to that extent I would keep my cold I would rather just take on the situation they report to the authorities because again some people actually want to test you so they want to touch that point where you would react I think I have learnt patience to the extent where I am able to control myself no matter what you bring at me you don't control my actions I control my actions you can take your actions I will respond to you and when you respond to people you are always at the higher level than them you don't come to their level you don't still blow to their level so I feel like Shayun Kuti should have been able to control himself and at least be controlled enough to just say you know what I will take your name I will go and report the details to the authorities but of course he lost the school let me take Loma from Abia State I believe Loma you are alive is it there good evening thank you for calling we have come to see you for some time yes so good evening good evening good evening we are hearing you based on the the topic on the screen this mentality can become if only the police authority police service commission the special police they will be training and training because people will send them properly and tell them what they need to hear what they need to do at every point in time the brutality against the civilians and from civilians to the police will not because one problem our security men they are without their iPhone they think that they are on top of the wall whereas they are not on top of the wall so one day I was just saying what you are doing is not good please don't harass these guys enough for you to be gone you are not allowed to leave and look at them as you want to hear me it is quite unfortunate to wait for the proper training real organization among them if any of them are friends you make sure absolutely thank you we have to train them not what he is saying reorientate their minds and all of that and I will go back to the value of human life what value do we have for the human life for the Nigerian what value have we placed on their lives because if you value something you will protect it you will love it you will nurture it you will love anything so it is a ripple effect so until we are able to define the value of every human life in Nigeria we might not be able to solve some of these problems that we face on a daily basis so yes Shayun Kuti was wrong and again but Nigerians are coming and they are coming in their numbers because another video of the police using Koboko on a woman beating her mercilessly they have also called on the IG to go and arrest those policemen I mean there are evidences video evidences are across everywhere now these days any little thing you do I brought out my phone to record and all of that so I mean there are evidences so I don't know how this would translate but I just wanted to wrap up then I will come back to you ladies that what if we begin to change just the structure of living in Nigeria right that I don't have to worry about my food what to eat what to drink where to sleep and you understand like if the muscle hierarchy of needs that we have all moved out of that base level where it is now everything you understand like basic things like normal social security things that you are secure to say okay I don't need to worry about certain things maybe I don't need to worry about my children's education I don't need to worry about it don't you think some of these things would just naturally have a natural barrier because there will not be any need for desperation to want to like extort money from people because I know that my kids they are going to go to a very decent school they will go and get a good education I will be able to afford healthcare insurance do you understand what I am saying I don't know I am not sure that I agree with that like Isis said police brutality is a global issue and it is almost safe to say that in some of these countries well popular let's use America as a yardstick you probably well the odds that maybe 7 out of 10 will probably not have to worry about where their kids will go to school if they can eat eat three square meals a day as a police officer it's very low you won't really have to worry but they still brutalize people Isis defined it well he established the basis for police brutality abroad it's racism do you understand what I am saying it's racism what we see in Nigeria is desperation hunger the man that harassed Isis and I survivor the man that harassed Isis and I that day that I had to call the PR of Lagos state the man was collecting 50 what I heard was he was collecting 50,000 neapol every car we were supposed to be on the road because we are media personalities we are coming from ways we are going back home but he was harassing everybody on that road because he had to generate revenue that for me is hunger you know it's desperation but do you know that at the core of it okay so let me take experience so Maja experience your life aha good evening Mr Hoa hi good evening am I just suggesting there is a devil in that that they are uniform you are proposing let the police wear white and red maybe white and red you know there is a devil in that no more public training is used to them thank you very much thank you go ahead Jella but they change their uniform now it doesn't change anything they buy the uniform themselves it doesn't change who the pig is I heard I was travelling one day quickly and as this police he was so very brutal you know don't beg and then somebody went to meet him and said guy you know he said oh do you know the target they gave me yes they have returns now that returns now that's not at the base level that you have said that it is this guy he is trying to do it for survival they have deliverables but the person at the top who is requesting for returns are you aware that law enforcement agencies in this country they have deliverables to their bosses they must generate certain kinds of revenues that's what I'm saying those bosses are also struggling to survive no exactly they are not struggling to survive and that is what I have to tell you that it stems from corruption unreliable leadership greed and survival instincts in every police officer or it depends on the level that they are in I don't think they I think one of the most important things they need to do is in recruitment but again there must be a reason why they don't think they should do better because if you recruit someone that knows better they will do better but you need to recruit someone that does not know better exactly everyone has said it all there is need for reform and that intentionality knowing that there is an issue and until the stakeholders policy makers those who are in charge of recruitment do the need for checking their psychological state knowing people they are recruiting into the force yes there are people that have mental issues and they are just recruiting them into police and they are unleashing their disabilities on people so there is need to check all of those things during the recruitment process and also they need to step up on there is a need to step up on their pay too emotional stability is key you can't give somebody that is emotionally that will cast I now give him a gun or give her a gun it is well but thank you ladies we will keep on talking about the topic because police brutality it don't become vassalent for everybody with a robber everyday for this country we will keep the topic coming thank you so much EC sorry the phone lines are here is buzzing we can't take more calls we run out of time thank you EC, thank you Diola and thank you Glory if you go do ensure you follow us across all our social media handles at Wayshoe Africa you can interact with us further drop a comment more importantly follow all our engagements on social media like share invite your families and friends to watch please this invitation extend the invitation don't watch the show in low we need more people to be calling alright so if you missed our quote for today here it is again we are not police we are not anti-police we are anti-brutality so when people are complaining that you are attacking the police it is not an attack on the police we are just attacking the behavior it is the behavior we don't like we love the police force they are our friends we just want to condemn the bad behavior that is going around and curb this injustice we will see you guys tomorrow at 8pm and bring another great conversation to your screen enjoy