 Make another podcast like this Check it. Check it. It's a unique house. It's your boy E ceo and I'm here with the lovely amazing outstanding mr. Mako. What's going on? None. None. You know my dad will all go on. Amen. We got a guy here y'all He really don't need no introduction Yeah, this guy right here man. Amen for me coming up as a young and and hearing this guy right here, man I ain't gonna lie to you man I thought I could do whatever nigga gave me strength to feel like hey man look man I'm ready for the night today Mr. Mike is in a building Man, what's going on man? Just living man. Staying on top of that. Listen man. Listen man You know we talked last time and it didn't come out man. I was so hurt behind it But hey man listen man God didn't work that out in a way what we write back on the set man bigger than better things God's time and it's greater than mine and I'm gonna just continue grinding the shine man So man, you know, you one of those guys man that I'm a matter of fact I'm gonna let mr. Mako started off because I know already how she gonna do it and it's gonna bring everything Why I need to be yes, because you know all of these young cats don't know who mr. Mike is Okay, so we would love for you to you know, let us know where you're from how you were raised I mean you're bringing how you've gone to this music industry like well I Started out from in a small country town. Okay. I'm one of them dudes that made it from the country to the city Yeah, and so I would use to you know dirt roads Everybody in the little town or city knew each other, you know, I just happened to just be just I Mean depending on how far back you want to go How exactly If y'all My mama was pregnant. They was trying to get it to a hospital here She couldn't take it they cut off this way and took it to a shorter hospital so she can have me, right? Okay So I ended up being born in a town. I wasn't even from Wow You were ready to get into this world Now she was in a label for 18 hours. Oh, you wasn't ready She just wasn't there yet. All right. Okay. How many brothers and sisters? I got One sister and two brothers you the oldest yes. Oh, so you led the way. Okay when I was two years old One and a half close to two years The story is my mama was cooking Right I'm this little curious dude like I'm already the man of the house like it to So I'm just learning how to walk. She cook and she got something in the stove. Just the 70s the stoves was different than they are now I'm talking about them was real live gas fire stoves with you know, I'm saying Story was she had to go to the store real quick or something because she Something with the food. Mm-hmm greedy and it's up. I gotta go grab right left me there, right? With my great Annie who wasn't paying attention. No, who was who was already was amputated Oh, she just wheelchair all the time or she's in the bed. Okay, right and the food on the stove cook it And I'm this little dude. I come in the kitchen curious and stuck my hands on the stove And got burnt and my hands stay stuck to the stove to somebody got them So can you imagine this little kid? Screaming and this old lady is scar still cuz them should be scars. Oh I see it right there Got you, right Imagine this lady back there. Let's amputated here in this little baby up here screaming and This house is starting to smoke from Something burning and it's the baby in there with his hands stuck to the stove How didn't you like this get all burnt is only your hand got burnt up? Yeah, because I don't even just you know, right good when I think about a real gas stove because I remember though Is it okay? Is it that's though because I had one growing up It was a gas stove, but when you get the matches you light it and the fire pops up Is it one of those in the 70s? Okay? Well Yeah, because I'm thinking if it was one of those you should have been burnt totally up like burn you up Hallelujah, praise God. I'm still here today. Wow man. So you What were you from carp? Was it the carp script? I was born in a town called Tav, Texas. Okay, right? I Lived in a small town called Aransas past Texas. I Went to kindergarten First grade second grade and then moved to a town called Bay City, Texas and Went to third grade and then moved to a town called van Boleck, Texas and went from fourth grade to 11th grade and This my senior year I left van Boleck, Texas and moved to Houston and went to North Shore and channel view for my Senior year and I quit school My 12th grade year the second semester But when you're dealing with all when you're dealing with all of these small towns now y'all want to know it all right But when you deal with all these small towns that you're talking about How bad was racism in these small towns because one thing I know about Texas That's where you mainly had all of that was in them small towns. You really don't pick up on racism until It's like affecting What you're trying to produce or pursue? Okay, some some people don't pick up on racism like because They content with their life not being nothing. So did you experience it racism? Yes? I've experienced racism yet. Tell me about an instance where it was blatant in your face. I was driving me and my Kind of hope I'm the oldest one. I'm the driver I'm the driver and the damn shooter at this point Because we're on our way to Corvus Some white boys pulled up beside us. It was like fuck the niggas fuck the niggas And I was like, what are y'all serious and I'm scared turner and just I'm young then and it didn't take nothing for me to just zoom and This I zoomed and I've turned and I followed them This was an English side, Texas and they pulled they turned on the little country road I Turned on the country road behind them. They stopped about maybe 50 feet ahead start getting out their car I stopped told my cousin a y'all stand behind this door because I'm strapped and it wasn't I don't know if it was or not, but the one of the white dudes got out with his hand behind his back The other dudes was getting out too, but I'm just paying attention to him really cuz it's him because his hand behind his back And so he was walking towards us like we had a distance though He was walking towards us and for whatever God showed me that he he did something with his hand And I seen that he ain't have nothing in his hand. So I start busting out And then hit him I don't know That's the way it be like we you know, yeah that really and then and it ain't nothing but a part of what Happens when you get out of line with some real, you know, we young so I get where he comes from because I've been there So, you know, you don't wait to see and you when something like that go on either most of the time You move around and you move around quick cuz you know these white boys in the first place But you say you don't know but then I don't think when you start shooting at somebody they go You go either see them fall or you gonna see some not necessarily cuz I'm at it I'm we had a distance at a distance, right? So I'm shooting and it's multiple he didn't shoot back because he didn't have a gun. It's multiple of them, right? I'm no wonder. Yeah, I'm did anybody shoot back. You could hear anything No So after all that they was portraying like they had something did you jump in a car and drive off after that? Yeah, I told my cut like man. We I didn't have time to study the situation. Oh, okay And I seen them get the I don't know man. It wasn't reported on the news. No homicide. No, none of that What no it was just happening in the broad day with us and some white dudes But you know, that's a part of what goes on sometime in the south man, you know a lot of times in those days They was going down now to you. They're not as blatant with it, but it still goes on, you know On in a precipitated fashion So You get after you, you know being in this small town or what not what how did you introduce yourself to music? Well, how did you step up to my mama always had me in the choir as a young kid? I'll sung in the choir. I had grown ladies in the audience shouting with their weeds falling off and crying and All this and I'm a young nigga a Kid watching this How did that affect you seeing that music had that much power over somebody at that particular time? I I didn't like Study how it's affecting. I'm just going through the motions. I'm a kid I'm like a whole way. Oh teenager, but I started singing in the church like at five four. Okay The preacher would tell my mama make sure you bring that boy so he can sing when we go out again. You're also Probably ten ten. Okay What was your favorite song to sing? God has Smiled on me. Come on there. He has said Me free God has Smiled on me And see the niggas know me for rapping so they really don't know me. Yeah, but at the end of the day Man listen man. It's something about you know making a joy for noise to the Lord. Yeah, well, that's what you know That's that's that's why that's why they were falling out jumping around catching a holy ghost. Oh look it goes deeper than that One of my mama friends and caught me on this on this Slick and got me outside of church doing things and I'm a kid. She married with three kids I'm sneaking up my mama was going down cuz she picking me up. This is the lady from the church. Yeah going down That's what turned me from church kind of I was just about to say that same She turns you out. She did she picked me. She used to pick me up Take me down to the road and they got she got off the hook with it She would we would be at the house like she bring me to the other side of the house She'll make everybody go over here take me. Oh, I'm like this woman Wow, man, you know But but you know a lot of time that We got to hear it all when you think about it that this is every and it ain't just happened to you This just happened consecutively to most people that's going to a lot of different buildings doing different things We've heard crazy stories about people who were even the leader of the church, you know got babies And they can't even say that he they dead It's just sitting out there being preached to so this is something that that was happening frequently in a lot of the Churches and I was a kid. So really what's that called? So I'm a victim of it. It's out there. Wow. Now. Yeah, you remind me of Antoine Fisher Y'all go check that move out. So, you know Let's talk about the music though as far as this hip-hop because you came up in a time where when you came on the scene in hip-hop You got to understand. Yeah, it was real You know South wasn't getting a lot of recognition and I was listening at the South sir I was listening all the music man. I'm a little elephant during that time. Well, you had to get old boys you had a You had a bunch of you had big Mike You had magic Mike you had uh, you had let me keep going, you know Who outside of Texas because I was Luke We want some, you know Was heavy after you Yeah, come on What was heavy D when heavy D was before after heavy D was before oh, okay, but we came after yeah, yeah He was a little Trying to plug the niggie Me too So Let me ask you this man. So so you get you know You got to understand you trying to come up on a career, but you ain't from Houston But when I seen you it I thought you was from Houston when I first see you No, he didn't it wasn't that he repped it. It just he was with a group that was in Houston That was out of Memphis look like what I have to I'm I'm I'm the Solidification of a long start We in the long-star state that includes Dallas Fort Worth Houston Corbett's Christie Austin San Antonio whatever the hell you wanted in Texas is considered to be the long-star state Mm-hmm. I represent that to the fullest Got it. I'm a long star Okay, so how did you end up? You know, I know last time you told story you said you almost ended up on Rappelot tell me that story Well at that time just moving trying to move my little demo tape and decided to You went over there take a trip up the Rappelot studios I'm trying this Mr. Lee told me he remembered that it was it was brief. You know I'm talking about it wasn't like it was no I believe we missed the lead Me to nothing. It was just me just a couple of people around young No one where niggas was hanging out at seeing if I can get in somewhere and talk to somebody let somebody hit my little No, I'm talking about it wasn't like I met with Jay Prince there and none of that But Jay Prince has been at like my in stores where I was doing my record sign is a he showed love came So yeah, I always supported and loved everybody from Texas. They're all artists I've always supported everybody but when you went to to make that move I think you told me that You might have said he wasn't yeah, he wasn't there that day But what what caused you not to make that you know to be persistent about going back to there because I was waiting too long I wait too long and then this just I seen the little drama I think bushwick came up there and his little kid was something that was blood bleeding from his nose It was something going on with him and I'm just watching everything and just niggas is just I just wasn't I didn't I didn't fit In at that moment. Okay, you didn't get it right vibes at that much particular So me I'm the type of guy like if I don't when I came here earlier I'm a very what they call my spirit is very Very discerning. Yeah. Yeah, my discernment is like real and extremely. You know what I mean? And I'm not really I'm not probably gonna hang around long enough to see why Okay, I'm just gonna obey that and that's so crazy that being a young kid you knew how to Because you know kids are usually just like you said you are hot-headed, you know, they don't listen to stuff like that So that's really rare that you were able to discern discern and listen and move Accordingly. Yes, ma'am. Yeah. Yeah, you know the prodigal son I don't know how old we was that he thought to himself. How many hard servants do my father got? So, you know a lot of times something that you're in a self may say something that speaks to you in a way The way you have to move on I get it So, you know just um, you know after seeing that whole run, you know The way that that that rap a lot was moved cuz really scar phase, you know for the star attraction for me during that time I'm not gonna say for everybody But for me he was the one that basically when I looked at the ghetto boys or when I looked at rap a lot I was a Brad Jordan fan, you know what I mean? And he was bringing singles that he might bring one by itself or it seemed like he was by itself a lot of time because he Wrapped two times on the verses and stuff. Um, so Um, that was what I seen scar phase is one of the most underrated artists of all time He never actually got to do that. He deserved I'm not sure if he actually took the do that he deserved, but I know he don't he don't get it I feel like as far as he should have his hands somewhere somehow In some of the powers of the southern music game Some kind of way because he he paved too much He kicked up too much dust in his prime and when when he was doing his thing For to make a way for a lot of other artists from the south man So, why do you feel that he didn't get his just do? Why do you feel that? He's so underrated. Why don't you feel like why do you feel like he didn't get to where he was supposed to be? Because he to you now you remember you asking me how yes. Yes I'm asking how you feel right because he never was able to Come from under the umbrella. He was under what umbrella is that pretty much the rap a lot umbrella You know what i'm saying like he tried when he went over the depth jam Hey tried is just a word that gives you the opportunity to fail. Yeah, you know what i'm saying? Yeah But I not get it and he did you know i'm saying but The whole time you see he left it alone. Yeah, he left it alone. He didn't stay long either You know i'm saying he didn't stay long later artists more successful than he actually ludicrous than actually than he is Yeah, ludicrous. Yes, discovered ludicrous. He was the one to introduce ludicrous Okay, he put ludicrous in the game when he went and became the president of devil jam south. Yeah, wow Yeah Yeah, yeah, so right now would you say because I hear it all the time But would you say in your opinion that at this moment scarface is the best rapper In texas or in the south it's different for me now because I don't I don't at this point in my career I don't even consider him a rapper. I don't consider myself a rapper. I'm an author. I'm a speaker. I'm a street minister And what do you how do you consider him the same? I consider him as a street minister You know what i'm saying when he's in his element You know what I mean? I don't even like Today to be called a rapper is like totally different than when when we did it back then it was it was It was not just um game has changed so much Yeah, it's it's yeah, so when you look at That time that was all kind of that was the last time I spoke to you a little bit about it mjg an eight ball did a versus an eight ball uh, he kind of seemed like he was calling out the fact that gilly the kid said that he was uh He that he basically was running from jay prince Because j little j pulled up Somewhere they didn't say where but he said you lying If you you you right around here saying that that I was running from uh j prince. That's a made-up story um during the time when you was with suave house What was the temperature like between suave house and rap a lot in the south? Well, I can say this is about the ball and gilly I wasn't there but And I don't know gilly the kid like I know eight ball, but I can tell you this Eight ball ain't doing a whole lot of running especially at that time. He's a big guy I'm saying shout out ball man, but he ain't so I'm not sure what gilly was saying Where's the the receipts for you to come and double back what ball said, you know, I'm saying So I don't just see ball just take it off right Jumping in the car and pulling off real fast And if he did then most niggas then gillix would be able to to confirm that yeah We sing big ball trying to get the hell about it Yeah, I don't I don't see it, but hey, you never know Well, you know when I think about just the way that the internet is when a person say something now It ball it just it just rings out and the people get to hear it and it'd be like that could have happened You know what I mean or this didn't happen because they don't you know, like you said the receipts are not there So so a lot of time nigga be raw run and it ain't nothing to back it in a nigga If he convincing enough on the mic He could or if he got enough followers or subscribers or whatever he got going his voice is the loudest So he can just kind of attack the situation not saying gilly was doing that But I'm just telling you how it affects everything when somebody of that level with that many people subscribe to his channel Say hey, nigga eight ball took off running and you know eight ball may be one that ain't really just in the public I like that no more to me It should be if if you come to find out that you was on the internet saying all this and this and that and And then just like really trying to just I guess make a name for yourself, but it was a bunch of lies Once the people found that out then They should ban you If they continue to follow you that clearly is an indication that it is some fucked up minds in this world Because you are literally tuned in signed in giving your attention time space and energy to nothing but lies So what does that say about you? Wow, right? And this is another reason why the world can be shifted and we can be Uh persuaded so easy Because we don't take the time to find out the facts in the script the scripture clearly says study To show yourself approved To show ourselves approved But okay, so earlier you said um the music industry is not like what it used to be the rap industry is not like What it used to be so what do you think about a rap industry now? We're have it gone Has is it gone better? Is it gone right or is it gone wrong in your opinion to me? It's it's like this Picture us all in the this this is a big project with just niggas just hanging out. We all in it Right And here come the jew or the white man coming through there in the limo Coming through slow in the limo The little young and pulled up running up on the limo the jew or the white man let us wonder down He tell a little young and a I got a million dollars for the hardest nigga out here the hardest rapper out here I got a million dollars on right now for the hardest The difference is we went and said No, the difference is they going and saying okay, we from to take each other out For that what he pulled up and offered us The difference is with us We got together and was like And they could say you got a million. He got it on them right now in the car He say who the hardest nigga out here Bro, let me see if we break this million down is me cold west staying They say you work together back then now they don't work together no more. I'm good. I'm a little cut We finna go get the million from him That was that's the difference We often go get the million from him that's pulled up on us for divide and conquer And we gonna go he pulling up and he's shitting on us really they can telling us pulling up We out here poverty But back then a lot of times in the case like that he's talking about togetherness, but then They love to separate people back then it was like well, no, I don't need all y'all. I just need the best person one There's no option of all y'all coming together. I just need one of y'all back then how it went Y'all ain't gonna tell them don't worry about it. You can keep driving y'all not gonna do that Well, see we was more that's if you think about it It was more independent labels back then the suave houses the rapper lives the swisher houses the The red shops the all these different the SUC and the swisher all these different labels and and and even not just from the houston Different labels and it was in Dallas and you know I'm saying independent labels That's gone Right, right because that required for niggas to come together We got coe And lady that's gonna take care of everything We need to be over here in the studio playing our part We got Staying right there taking care of our paperwork. We all good. You know I'm saying we all family it up. We all do this We now it ain't like that now is I gotta outshine you I'm over here. I'm claiming this with you what I'm talking about you with him and and I'm starting shit over here and I'm acting like we friends, but we ain't because I want it all to myself You know what I mean? So man, I gotta ask you let's get on this music tip Stop line you MJ you and eight ball MJG Man that was the hardest song when that that production was on another level man What how did y'all even come up with that? What what made y'all come up? Did you come up with that whole concept? well, I think um I think ball eight ball or maybe both of them done the beat Okay, okay, and that's their their production was very underrated So eight ball MJG Their production is very underrated That coming our heart that they yeah hell yeah Eight ball and MJG produced that mr. Big Nine millimeter boys all that arm robbery They produced that So when you you went so when you heard the beat did they already have the the lyrics for it? Or did they already do there that y'all did it one day in the studio? That's when we did it in the studio That's when I was like At my peak of like doing my thing Yeah Going in my little momentum was there and ball did a beat and shit We came up with the hook And we all had a little piece of the hook Stop could or stop would or stop should or stop used to stop. You need to start telling the truth Stop flogging stop hating stop exaggerating. You need to start telling it. You know what I'm saying That was me balling MJG But but I just love the song the way it where you ride that the way you ride the beat man I I never forget it man That was the that was a highlight for me your voice the way your tonality was And then just the way that you were riding that beat And you had to come with a ball and I think a rapping that's a rapping dude, man MJG like I say here his analytic the way he is the way he is body structure the way he was moving When he would do a song or whatever when you see a video that gave him that essence and the nigga He gonna have a little some little uh ad living in there, you know But just the way your voice tonality was was so so great the only thing that I don't really be tripping on Is like I don't mind sharing love and talking about people. Yeah But when have you heard them niggas in the end of you talking about mr. Mike or showing me love? Wow Never Pull pull one up So they never ever said when was the last time someone Eight ball and MJG. Okay, pull one up and niggas will tell you man Mike always showed them love after the whole swap Was it something what made did y'all have differences or anything? Bro, not that I know of if so then they need to answer that but of course, you know In this game, especially when it's music money And all the stuff that come with it It's gonna be jealousy and it's gonna be, you know, little Internal little feelings. I'm feeling a certain way about you, but I ain't gonna never really tell you You know, I'm saying was the last time you spoke to them. Just picked up a phone and call Um I just spoke to MJG Not maybe it's been about maybe a couple of years now But I have called them But y'all had had a good relationship or have a little bit for the most part I ain't got no ill will toward them. I don't have anything to have no reason to you know what I'm saying So I've always reached out to them What was it a thing where was it a Tony draper thing? Was it was they closer to him than you or Was it somewhere he pretty much had a difference with you and they may be fed off of it? What was the deal on why what what made the separation the schism? Honestly, that's something you would literally have to sit down with ball and g and not Skate around it. Yeah, I'm not if I ever said And it can happen too. I'm that guy Have y'all read this you ain't even gotta why y'all haven't just ask them have y'all and see what they say You would know from there Wow, because if they tell you yes, they lie if they tell you no, then you can ask them why Wow Man, I just like I said, I had so much love for the group and you know, you got a lot of fans out here who love that movement Yeah, I'm one of them. We could have done a suave house reunion by now. Y'all never done one boys They bossed up y'all the main acts of the shit All y'all had to do was boss up reach out to me y'all brought they brought teal it to the thing But that's the Memphis connection. I seen that I had niggas hitting me in my dm Like Mike man, we knew you was gonna beat up, bro. We was waiting for you to come out They never rich up and the song's hard. Did y'all have Yeah, but it's all good. Hey everybody got their time, bro Let me ask you this you an ice cube man We can wage like when you guys Done that song Just run me down through there on even how would you even know this guy's from california? He lives on the west coast. Your music is here in in houston and in you know, the south How does that happen? How does that west west coast south thing happen during that time? I just happen to be like I'm a worldwide mob figure So I can you this times when you ain't gonna know if i'm from new york If i'm from texas if i'm from california So people just automatically took that I was from california And me and cali had a certain vibe You know what i'm saying so um Wonder why would they think that you from because the thing is that when I think about somebody being from cali Especially listen to their music. I'm thinking about your style the way how you rap I get maybe because of the way I dress because I always wore dickies and bandanas and stuff That's probably why yeah kind of two things they look at they look at the dressing and style of music I always wore dickies and bandanas and and stuff guns and stuff Yeah, wow When you think about uh, just ice cube, how was it in the studio? You know, I detail everything So how was it just working with him during that time and and and uh, did y'all you couldn't send verses like they do now But you had to be in the studio. Y'all had to listen to the music So the nigga came to the studio everybody's in here and on this nigga dick, which hey, it's ice cube So we ain't tripping Me I can't just do it like that So I'm finna go way to the other side of the studio and post up with me and my nigga While y'all dick ride, okay, right? Who all was that at day? Everybody this is what I'm telling you just my eight ball mjg Uh Throughout the day they didn't everybody didn't hung around. I told the draper He riding with drape with them because he didn't came from cali He coming we now we finna go in the studio and do a song me and him So I let them do what they had to do You know I'm saying Somebody knock on the door. Hey Mike cubes. They come where you at man. Come on man He calling for me. You know I'm saying yeah, so I came down there came over there and whatnot It was it was cool to stood the experience was good. Yeah, because the dude was like Intense with his rhyme and then when I went and studied when him He was in the studio with a young pock. I said, man, that's where he got that from Because the pock was animated and that boy q wrote his shit and had his paper and he got up to like Before he went in the studio like most niggas are right. They shit like okay. I'm ready man Then go in the booth This nigga wrote his shit and practiced it real quick Like he was in the booth like right there in front of me like I'm like he was I was like this nigga. Yeah, and the shit I had wrote some shit. I was like I'm gonna get this nigga. Well, no So make a stepping game. I'm confessing on boss talk That the verse y'all here with me and ice q was not the song that was not my first verse Q made me crumble that shit up and come with some other shit man come harder man Because he was intense and he was ready. Oh, it was hard. It was hard That boy say heard a nigga tight name. Mr. Mike had to catch a flight. It's only right There you did. Yeah, man So and I like that man the fact that the way that Man, our brothers came together back then and and people don't really like to give it just do but that was a west coast South connection and I think that's hard. That's hard man. It was hard man. So I gotta ask you about uh, just uh, that whole Project you did on your own The south circuit of mr. Mike, you know what? How was that doing it by yourself and and when I say by yourself having your own project coming out That was a was that the first and only one Which one the wicked ways. Yeah. Yeah Now I flew out to uh, oakland to do Most of that album with ea ski and cmt producers out of oakland Okay, okay. Yeah, you like man. You like them. You like them west coast producers I mean, I like east coast producers. I just just that's who I was vibing with at the time. So Hey, it is what it is man. Wow. Yeah So you like like on this is that one of your favorites on that on that project? What's that that uh, uh, Wicked way the one with cute me and cute. Yeah um I would say so yeah because ice cube on it, you know, so yeah Other if if he wasn't on it, I don't know if it would be but because Did that make you did you think that made like when you was doing it? Do you think that That strung up some jealousy over the years because you Bro, I'm just that kind of nigga niggas motherfuckers been jealous of me since I was a baby Well, I'm saying yeah, I'm just that kind of month. Why? I I've been trying to figure it out all this time, you know what I'm saying And I stopped trying to figure it out I say now, you know what? I'm gonna concentrate and make sure I get these niggas something to hate me for I'm tired of not understanding why y'all hate me. I'm about to say. Why don't it? Why so I'm gonna make sure I give you something to hate me for so when the hate come I'm cool with because I understand why you hate me Yeah, they don't hate even more but It's so crazy because some people can't can't deal with that some people crumble when they get hate So you you try to elevate when you get hate without the devil. We wouldn't really know the power of god I love that. That's hard. That is so true man When I look at the uh The the album and the cover I'm looking at the cover of how you did it as a young man a young mind This was you put this together, right? Yes, sir me in the in the label in the label What made you go with that whole look? Because I was I was that nigga at that time like I was really in a dark place. Yeah. Yeah, I was in a real dark place Very dark place My album is called wicked ways. I still got a tattoo on my back that say mr. Wicked They called me black goats I had songs like total shock and terrorizing these motherfuckers. You know what I'm saying? That was how I was living like that was The environment I was around like Wicked ways Wicked ways, but the world is evil the world is this wicked Especially that when you come and start becoming a part of that music business and all that and just coming from a little young nigga from the country from church And this shit is wicked as hell That's another thing because I hear a lot of people talk about the music industry And so many people get discouraged because once you become into the music industry No matter what level or should I say the higher up you go in the music industry They realize that it's so much and this is from other people's Personal, you know mouth. They realize how much corruption is in it How much hate how much I mean deceit How much fee furry, you know How True is all of that with your experience It's very true, but it's it's you know, it's You can find some of that same stuff in the church It's just it's just a life. It's just the nature of the beast You know what I'm saying? You're gonna you're gonna get the truth. You're gonna get lies. You're gonna get real You're gonna get fake. You're gonna get love. You're gonna get hate. That's just tell me about a time um in the music industry That you've dealt with because there's so many times people deal with and not even on the music industry this happened I would say any time you're dealing with money And entertainment industry I would say um where You did deals because I was on instagram the other day and I was watching some comedians talk about Going to perform different places and you know, they get half of their money up front But when you get there, they don't want to get paid the other half and stuff like that I'm sure a lot of that happened in the music industry as well where You know, sometimes they pay you half or sometimes they don't even pay you at all when you did all your work And you're supposed to get you just do How many times does that happen to you and then how do you deal with it? Well, it's it's happened to me a few times like I I never got paid from the label At all at all It's like people that was on my songs that ain't even as big an artist of me that got something from the label So I never got anything from the label right. I even had to pay Out my contract Right pay them to just let clear me from this thing totally But if you're not getting paid wouldn't that break be a breach of your contract where you can walk away anyway still to this day Lawyer team trying to get the best source to get back What's mine? Wow, so the masters and all that stuff I mean the label was basically crumbled the albums were sold off to some other You know I'm saying industry explaining the south circle the makeup of south circle It was an artist that was at swath house already when I came I was so hungry and so extreme They had to rise me up to the Because it was a roster. Yeah, so of course when the new nigga come in he had the bottom of the roster I was too hungry for that So in order to move me up the roster, they said well, let's just join him with a guy that's already in the roster Yeah, so south circle is uh That so as they put this group together. I see they collabed it and I guess their plot was to Collab it with mjg and eight ball, you know When you guys did collab We didn't really know what it was really gonna Turn out to be until we did it and start seeing the effects of it Anywhere you go. So it's just the fact of uh, you know, I just love the music She don't really know the music like me, but I love the music. I love the history of it So when I look at you know south circle and I look at mr. Mike. I look at uh eight ball I look at the down, you know, just the downside movement You remember when the downside them tapes was out, you know, I mean you all this stuff, man When we didn't I was locked on to the south when nickels in the west coast was doing their thing at the time You know what I mean? So I still remain loyal to what we had going, you know what I'm seeing whether Whether it was ghetto boys, even though the ghetto boys seem to kind of more, you know, universal or whatever you want to call it But eight ball and it was just eight ball mjg south circle mr. Mike You mr. Mike, but then the other big mic, you know, all of these different Scenarios was something that I value and I'm gonna be honest with you That's a whole legacy and a legend that don't get talked about enough for me Now because most of the og's is most of the guys that came from that era is Not around no more. Yeah. Yeah to speak on it. You know, yeah Wait three two you had a bunch of them, man Man, it was a lot of different. Yeah. Did you ever have run-ins with uh, pimp C? No, I think we talked about that before I think I've seen him at the radio station downstairs one day And that was about it. We never really I never just Ran into him like that. What did you think about UGK when you guys were doing your thing? UGK inspired me UGK is part of the reason I started rapping Okay, so yeah, they I have to go back all the way back to you cramping my style Yeah, man the UGK inspired me man Yeah, so oh, yeah, but I didn't let out a lot of artists inspired me and the list goes on and on Yeah south to the west of the east Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, and did you ever think a young guy from carpus christy? You know that area down there would be Uh one that's done work with all these different elements in the game. Oh, this what people don't even know at 17 I was the Director of the gulf coast community choir Wow This was kids from all over the gulf coast and we created the choir and I was the director We had our first concert at mother's sign baptist church in bay city, texas Wow, and I was like the director in the cave 17 man. I've been getting Being in it a long time before I started rapping Wow And and and that's hard man. So when you when you did this you had a new project out gotta be mine Gotta be me gotta be me when you when you when you put this project out what what inspired it And thank you for our shirts too. Yeah, we got Yeah, yeah, that's absolutely wonderful. Thank y'all. Um the inspiration for that is really, um man, I was in a transition in my life recently still going through it and uh Trying to better myself as a man not trying to see that's that's that word for What is that opportunity for me to not better myself? Yeah, yeah, I'm trying, right? So let me take that out my vocabulary. So, uh better in myself as a man And making better decisions that I used to make Like I said used to be so quick off the top And now just don't let things affect me How they used to the way they used to but what happened? It's always in our lives is always something that happened that made us change our perception of What we the track we're on what happened that Struggle fell off the game fell off life broke homeless When you say homeless how homeless could people say homeless and I always I me saying homeless is not my home. I always God will provide somewhere for me to go. Okay, right But if it's not my home Then you're homeless. Yes. Okay. Because that means that I can at any second the whos ever home it is can kick you out There you go. Wow God, so um, you are on the road To um better yourself. Yes, and how long has it been since you started that journey? Oh, I think I kind of started it before I realized I started it But as far as me literally like, okay. Yeah, I'm on this different I would say probably about maybe Close to two years now And one thing I always tell people, you know the easiest way to better yourself Is to help others better themselves because by doing so you actually helping yourself I agree and people don't realize it. I agree with that totally. Yeah So, um, how is your journey going and what have you been doing to better yourself and with doing so? Are you trying to do so through the music as well? Yeah, I don't know It's a process. It's like I ain't trying to go cold turkey You know, I I used to just I had to be in the streets no matter what Why I Some of it was because trying to get what I needed to get some of it just because I was addicted to the shit And I need to be out here Even when I don't need to be You know what I'm saying? I was at that point at one time. How hard is it to give all that up? Well, that's what I'm saying. I've I pretty much Did that pretty much to I mean When you leave out your house, you know what I'm saying and you go to work or you go to school or whatnot This and that You know with some form of street element there, you know It's always a chance that some type of BS can happen How hard is it because I was just speaking to someone earlier and Especially being in this industry and I see a lot of young kids or a lot of people are still deep in this industry And it's like the street or that what you're talking about go hand in hand with the industry How um, is there anyone is it possible to do this industry without the street? Um, is it possible anything is possible With god anything is possible Is it gonna happen? I don't think so, but not especially not with the rap music Because the rap music is set up and designed to attract street culture Right, it's set up and designed for that drugs money sex partying jury Vacations back to the club strip club throwing money And each element complements each other in that industry right see rock music country music They ain't got to worry about them kind of elements. That's why them artists be old still making money Wow, that's a shame though Wow You know me. I'm the music guy. So You know, I go right back to the music going. How did you ever? Did you ever work with tea look and You know do work with him. You ain't listen to the album What that boy say and mr. Mike had his mr. Mike. So and super Mike flies with kryptonite. I know How was it my name is I was to go listen to that Listen how them boys was saying my name How was it though? Like was it it was cool. It was cool Because I hear stories that he was with Schwab house, but he ended up with rap a lot Was that a time when you guys was dealing with each other during that time? I remember I had to call row man to see exactly uh See exactly what time is Yeah, we scared we all stayed in the same little apartment for a minute Me row and when teela came he stayed with us for a few. Okay, and we fucked we messing with him You know I'm saying so you had to like you go if you coming into this. Yeah. Yeah, you got to go through something Wow, I was initiated they all jumped me. Who who jumped you The whole crew You the whole swath house crew jumped me In order for you to be a part of it jumped me initiated me like right now you looking over there and i'm on the flow and everybody And i'm getting beat Only thing is they wouldn't hit me in my face. It was my body my arms my legs my all this And I remember this big a ball hit me so hard and like in my chest I was laying on the ground. I think it hit me boom and I rose up off the ground. Damn Oh, yeah, and the niggas had took my gun and hit it. They had they already had a plan because they know They have my they had my partner. They had uh row Barrel, yeah Because me and him south circle. Yeah, yeah, we closed He didn't slip my pistol from me and hid it from me because no one went through the happening You know, but it was it was all in the house of this is ideas and after that It sound like a fraternity. That's what like what they be doing hazing when they jumped you in like that What was you would think after jumping you in and getting that type of bun Now y'all at a point where y'all don't even talk or speak to one another What type of jump in is that you little you little once you in you in you can't even get out a brotherhood A brotherhood palpable not just for a time when the money and everything going. Ain't nobody else get did like that So you the only one Why you the black sheep i'm keep telling y'all to ask them people I'm told donnie huesa man. Don't bring these people on here and not ask them people and ask okay I know y'all got relationships with different artists. I don't have no relationship I don't want to go over but man, not me. No, we're gonna ask. What up? Yeah, i'm the one. Yeah I ain't got no relationship It's up to them not to answer because some people will still escape the question and not try to answer it But we sure gonna ask they hit my gun initiated me knowing that a make sure he ain't able to go get it After this, well, you know for a fact that you're the only person that have ever done that too Yeah And but and you also know if you watch boss talk if I ever talked to anybody over there That they gonna get asked. I don't mess around man boss talk a real solid foundation and I promise you Uh, yeah, they know it too if they watch it After all of that But so I because I know how we as human beings we think And or me I should say Um After fighting out that you're the only person that they did that too. How did you feel about that? I mean I had I had a mission to accomplish so I wasn't really I just knew that it was just it wasn't It was always, you know, like okay. I'm gonna do my thing everybody just doing their own thing But it was never like okay. We blood right so you already knew that in your head. Yeah Okay, so really you didn't believe in what they're doing really and they're lucky you didn't do something to him Well, that's why they went ahead But even after that even after you got it back That's what he's talking about because it was like It was just something like for me. It was just okay. I'ma take it. It was that it was almost like fun It was almost like it was fun Wow What was the conversation like after right afterwards? Bros without bro at that time I was on some whole I I ain't I ain't met a guy to this day and not saying it just because it's me That was as hungry as I was that I'm looking me now Imagine me almost 30 years ago I'm still schooling these niggas Niggas you were cold on that mic. I do know that At that time I was like it was I mean I was I'm living it out if we friends Mr. Jamaica I'm devoted and committed to being your friend If we enemies I'm devoted and committed to being your enemy Let me ask you this man. You say one time What one time I think it was you was a two-party rich out to your came down and mentioned your name And they didn't tell you yeah on the radio and who didn't tell you Nobody nobody who knew about it I was supposed to tell you DJs and niggas that listened to the radio And niggas that knew he was in town asked him for mr. Mike Before that boy passed away Came to age town called DJ hard hitter and ask him called DJ hard hitter and ask him To pot he came down here. He holla a man. I want to get with mr. Mike Harder gone he could probably don't tell you up and uh because it was he wasn't the one directly somebody called him and told him Okay, they didn't get it to me to then he the one came and finally told me So when this happened do you okay? Here's the deal like you was signed to Swab house and you were doing your thing and What do you what did you what do you think? If if anything would have been a better route or what did you expect from them as a label to even do Even after not just to start But even even at the end when you when y'all were breaking it out I didn't know what to expect because you gotta remember how I came in it. Okay I came in and they gave me an ultimatum. That's just like you my little young my little ken folk in west Y'all told me at the dough Mike you can come in here, but they gotta leave That was the ultimatum they gave me The first day I got there I came from corpus christian sexes with a car with my niggas And I wanted you alone. They didn't want no distractions. That was it That was it. You could stay but your niggas gotta go Back to corpus One of my partners was like, man, we leaving you here with you. We don't know these niggas We leaving you here with these. I said bro, this this the mission what we've been talking about This the break i'ma make it know i'm saying Yeah, i'ma make it we gonna we gonna do something with it, man And they went ahead and left They had to And I stayed there from that day the first day in a house with a bunch of niggas that I ain't know Gotta do what you gotta do And rose up out that bitch and became mr. Mike If you had to go back and do it over again, what would you change? My business mind going into that shit And not accepting no no, uh banana in the tail pipe type stories and Falsified fake shit just to throw me keep me off my business game But I hit that back then that was the major story for a lot of entertainers back then So many people hearing about her story now Went through that and find legal battles right now to this day now For rights of their stuff Yeah But it's changing now though the industry that we're in now It ain't it ain't changing vibe. It's not doing different things But I think earlier mr. Mike alluded to the fact of what music do for you and do to you And what it pushes you into so I think it's still the agenda is not even it may have even worsened I know it's worsen because of the way that people are saying things Outlandish things leading them into different things. You remember the role was on the show and he talked about the reason why he's seeing about Things that are pleasant like the ice cream paint job Just things that he's doing that that promote, you know, a good time and you know, because what you say becomes you I agree. I agree that um things have gotten worse where what they're saying in their music But the part that I'm talking about where I'm thinking that certain things got better is because the knowledge of Business is more out there. The business side of it is more out there YouTube exists So when I say that people have That tool to do all their research if they're if they want to right they can't say they didn't know You know, nobody pulled a wool over their eyes unless it was like, you know what I'm just happy for this deal I didn't have anything before and I was going to take this $5,000 deal when I really could have gotten a hundred thousand if I really you know went other avenues Right, but I just didn't know right. It's up to them Right, and it's just like anything like even the sports players Yes to year and in the past not making as much money as the sports players all the day Mike Tyson Is not as successful as floyd mayweather. Exactly Right. Tyson was a draw Didn't understand his business Floyd mayweather is a boxing business genius. Exactly Wow, let me ask you about some current events like Kanye. What do you think about what's going on with him? Um I think his it's you got to look at his support system and see what that's like because at some point we all Have to fall back on our support system and if you fall back from doing your thing And that exhaust hits you and you need to fall back on your support system and ain't nothing there That's not a good situation to be in So i'm not sure with his mother past You divorced from your children You go and have differences with jz and the people that you came into the game with The fans is fickle. They don't care one way or another Where is your support system and what what are you going to have to fall back on? once They claim that he is with another ramp and he's going crazy and this and this and that And if you ain't got nothing to fall back on them people know it that's the opportunity to go and take you on a body Wow, um, I had a question. So Um, where were you when you heard the news of takeoff? Passing away and how it happened. I was at work And what was your view? I worked during the day. I go to the plantation keep me out of trouble What was your thoughts on the whole situation? I thought it was absolutely um disappointing. I thought it was it was terrible Yeah, I didn't think that was a good look at all and um But I got a song on this album they called they ain't playing fair Okay, y'all go get this album gotta be me. It's a nice album from beginning to end. It's a song 13 that's hard and it's a song on there called they ain't playing fair and um The hook says, uh Now we dying don't nobody even care So it's it's relating to that situation. No, it's not I wrote that song before that situation My music a lot of my music was prophetic and it's and it's like timeless Like you can go listen to my songs from 95. They sound like they came out yesterday. Yeah But Don't nobody really care no more The immediate family people but most people go, oh, that's fucked up and we're gonna wait for the next day Wow, and it seems like they just skate past it Right past it and and who's Really holding this boy what's tupac say? He say I have to speak on it because if I don't speak on it, which these youngsters don't do they don't speak consciously They speak materialistically The difference between uh an artist poet Street ministered like a tupac as opposed to like the rick rosses and jaysies and young jizzies and the ones of this new generation and the after that Is they are glorifying the lavish life Whereas tupac glorified the struggle He took the struggle and made it sound live as a motherfucker Right. Mm-hmm. They take the lavish life and and and so I'm able to relate to mold niggas that that's struggling I'm just making it sound so live to them and showing them how I'm coming up out of that These niggas is putting it in our face. Hey, look how I already got it Already got it. I got money everywhere. Y'all ain't seen me struggle at all I'm just showing y'all what all what I got, you know I'm saying so the relation ain't really there a lot of it is fake And and you and it's being you being killed for people Artists the little rappers and being killed on stupid shit. That shit is absolutely stupid, man And ain't nobody taking credibility accountability Accountability for it, you know people got mad at me when I Well, I ain't gonna say just such certain people didn't didn't agree I was saying and then they played me real weak too on it too. They made me feel like I was michael jackson little brother Because they were I said Back in the days you would have had a stop the violence tour or something like that these Where is the jz's whereas the Where's the nauseous and all these different people whereas the puff dad It's whereas to come togetherness to where we could speak in a way to where We could say hey, we're not pleased with the people killing each other and and where but It does this stop their money flow or the way that things going for them Why is there not a cry for for for the the situation together as leaders as as cats with money Because they got money the j-princes all these people got money Why don't why don't people come together anymore? Because everybody is everybody for self They used to come together you remember that we would just talk about that right they they everybody for self Niggas is for self bro, bro one side. I got mine. Hey y'all niggas and Bro the boy that boy to pop gave us the blue print black print and whatever other print If you was really studying his gospel And not just caught up in the antics and what so and what? The media showed you you got caught up in that boy gospel. He put it It's like the bible you go you can go there and find anything something you're going through and find an answer in there Yeah saying what that boy gospel Yeah, everything we're going through as black people as people period in this in the world poverty that boy spoke on it, man He said he said I talk about it in my music because once we stop talking about it They'll stop taking statistics And once they stop taking statistics It'll be niggas dying in the streets and nobody even give a fuck and that's where we at. Wow It's hard. That was a hard statement. Yeah, but that's a real statement. Yeah, man So we coming to the end like like how can people get a hold of you? You know if they want to reach out for your music If they trying to get that gotta be on all platform, wherever you get your music gotta be me is right there Whatever you get it got iTunes, Spotify, youtube, amazon. Yeah, wherever you get it. It's right there Gotta be me. Mr. Mike. It's a nice album. The single is gotta be me We still trying to get the video shot to it. So i'm probably promoting this album for the next Roll over into 2020. Oh, yeah, yeah for sure and all to the next year, man. So wow I know i'm about to be jamming it out. You know how I do it. I'm gonna throw it in the deck, baby Like it used to man. We got a few to all my two couple more minutes till 10 Y'all didn't took me all over the place. Ask me something else. Y'all wanted the whole story Let's go. You ain't got it. You gotta have barely got a half of it It's your attitude I can ask you about some songs because I love that song is your attitude You know, uh, when you guys was when you guys came up with that like what was it like like I love that song That song resonates man. Yeah, and like you said earlier It sounds like it came out yesterday. That's an old remake of the bar case. Okay. Yeah If you go pull up the bar case an old soul group I know about the bar case. They got us. You'll hear that's that song. That's where it comes from We just replayed it same melody But you wrote that you what all got on there got on it. Oh, yeah We team mixed and you know I'm saying and he did the beat and replayed it And uh, but if you listen to the original as the bar case Wow, are you so One thing about a rapping lusher that I realized is the fact that a lot of times anything that you go through in your life You always put it into your music, right? No doubt. Okay Is there a song? That you've done that you've Let out and put certain things in that people haven't really caught on to what you're actually talking about Uh That you think that is It's impactful like you're talking about certain situations certain things that happen But you know that people really haven't really don't really notice what you're trying to say This is a song on this album called last laugh Mm-hmm Everything I haven't been through out of all the humiliation out of all the struggle out of all the people not believing in me Out of all people Doing this doing that whatever me seeing me struggling and in in my you know, I'm saying situations and what I want to get the last laugh So it's a song on here need a couple hundred on the dash couple ends in the stash turning words in the cash This world ain't seen me on my ass, but that too shall pass got to get the last laugh I like that. It's hard. Yeah, it's hard Um, you know what your your voice still the same No doubt Hey, that's the script to say my sheep gonna know my way That's why I don't need no new fans. I ain't not here trying to get no new fans I do this for diehard mr. Mike fans that believe in me and Manifest my music because if they didn't need it, I wouldn't be able to give it to him I only give it to you because god give it to me to give back. Here you go. I know you need this real shit, man There you go, brother. That's how everybody know you from rapping And I know you have a voice. Why don't you sing and rap in your songs? I do sometimes do all the time You ain't banging my music. She don't be banging it. She don't bang nothing If you ain't Bob Marley or somebody she ain't got no a lot of respect for us, man like that I'm your guy. Give it a chance. Yeah Now new day. Let me ask you to that new day with man Boy, I just go back in memory. You know that, don't you? Yeah It might be a mold of a month man You was riding that beat like I said, I'm gonna keep telling you by you wrote the beat like you knew how to Maneuver on that song to where it made a nigga just want to tune in, you know, any niggas bit my style, bro I studied my style to this day. That's why they don't be wanting to reach out to me because they know they'd be biting my shit Damn, you know what I'm saying and be studying my shit so If I know I'm studying ceo e and how Him and mr. Jamaica do they podcast and I just studied they blueprint and I'm really trying to do mine just like them And now I find myself competing with them now. I find myself being like man F them I can do better than them when really you got your whole idea from them And instead of calling them and saying man appreciate y'all y'all so man y'all that motivated me inspired me Man, what check out my show what y'all think man? Can I get y'all blessing? Because if it wasn't for y'all, I wouldn't even know how to do this podcast. That's real And let's see what the thing about that what some people don't realize is that some people don't want the recognition They don't care if you do it. They'll even bless you for doing it But it doesn't want the recognition to know that this is where you got it from. Yeah, you know what I mean, but who did that to you? Man, I had all kind of people steal my songs steal my music different artists It was a group out of california named conscious daughters. I heard my music in one day songs one time just heard what's to do from up here Is it beat king? He did that to you got a song with uh with uh money bag yo and uh Yeah He used that song and bit off for you. I got a song called pop it Drop it drop it. They took my whole melody And did this I hold on I had I got that I recorded it put it up on social media and everything and people like yep They damn show did So yeah, I get niggas bike my shit all the Ice cubes them them bits some of my shit, but beat king. Let's go back. I don't just skate crawl. That's my boy right there I'm definitely gonna ask him about this. I love it. You know, I'm saying Hold on let me see if I can Pop it because I ain't never heard this story Let me see if I still got that in my phone because it's been a minute since I posted it And then that video take up memory. I might have deleted that shit Bob show gonna go look it up. You what's the name of your song? Call pop it pop it drop it I don't even know if it's if that song I'm gonna get it to believe me I'm gonna play it. You ain't got to worry about that and it's a song with him and money bag Yo, I know that song That's the song I thought was original to be honest with you But honestly in today's day and age is anything really original? No, but I know what he's saying though. If you're gonna do it though. Show me some So show me some love. You know, shout me out That's it. I don't even hanging like that because people will take From the old switch it up to make it new wrong with that But you see how much love I'll be giving niggas and shit. Yeah. Yeah and to me. That's cool Yeah, that's cool. And and and like I said, I know be king cool. He a cool dude. So I don't know I'm like, man, what happened? He did it with no ill intentions. Yeah, he might just did it and a lot of niggas do it because they don't feel like I'm mainstream and they don't feel like I got this big 100,000s of followers and all this so ain't nobody gonna really know You see I'm saying yeah, but in your younger days now when you started doing this Um, did you never do that to anybody? Do what? Bit off of somebody right? I've inspired plenty people, but No, I'm talking getting inspiration from other people and took it I'm not getting Mr. Mike wasn't like nobody that you ever heard though. I'm original as they come You know, he ain't like nobody at your I'm as original as they come niggas than bit my shit All up and down when the niggas got braves and tattoos and long-hand shit after I came After I came through that shit When I had by my head was down to here I started getting tattoos and shit on me and shit in the 90s night early 90s And nobody wasn't doing it back then night niggas was getting tattoos, but I'm saying niggas around me I was inspiring them. Okay. You know what I'm saying? Well, go go listen to you gotta listen to this in the music That shit is right there in the music Dang sure is and I got that music. I'll be jamming it too. Uh, you know, I'll jam out You know, I'll go I'll I'll just flip out on you while we going down the highway on what I'm gonna do Man, thank you so much for coming on show. We love you. Mr. Mike. I love y'all back man Listen, this ain't the last time. I'm the type dude. I do shows. I keep doing them. I'm throwing I don't be doing like the other by got no rules If it was a highway and I supposed to be on this side of the highway I might be on this side and fly enough to get back over when the car coming I might do anything. Yeah, I don't do go by the rules like that You like oh well ask the questions like they usually do the interview. That's not me I don't know how they do it because I don't I'm I'm I'm like mr. Mike nigga. I'm original. It's organic It's organic check it man. Hey man. It's been another great sake with a boss talk 101 What a boss is talk and we out