 Hey guys, this is Hafa and I'm here with Old Brother. So I know we kind of talked about this five minutes ago, but how did the band start it? How'd you guys mean if you could talk a little bit about that? I know you're the newbie, kind of. Yeah, well, correct me if I'm wrong, newbie. So before he was in the picture, we, myself and Anton and Johnny, we were playing with a different lineup and then Tanner moseyed on up to us and he joined the band and then Jordan happened in and we've been going strong ever since. Nice, and you guys been on tour for a while and you've toured with a lot of people and now you're with the Dillinger Escape Plan. So how is that like to be on tour with them? Like, did they give you any advice or do you get to work on music together? What is that like for you? We're touring with Dillinger because Billy, the drummer, has been friends with him for a few years and he's come out to a lot of New York shows and his other band recorded with the same producer we did for Dissolution and his name's Mike Sapone and he makes Garden Window as well, but we know Billy through that whole process. I noticed that obviously you've been a band since 2008 so you've grown a lot and you change over years and that's reflecting on your music but something you guys are like, no, this should always be this way. Does that make sense? Maybe about like the instruments or lyrics of production itself. I think the only thing that has really stayed consistent like from the beginning is that our approach maybe to songwriting is we usually, it was something when we're writing sounds typical we usually try to do it differently than that we try to approach it from like an opposite perspective to try to not do the same thing all the time. It's the only thing I can think of. Yeah, I mean, go on. Also to touch on what he said, no, I think a big one that we care about at least that I care about personally is making sure that we really like, I don't know, strive to our best live and kind of being on being good live band and we want to be at least, I know I do. So making sure that that translates well and that we don't lose any of what we put on our record when we play live, you know. All right, so that was it. It was great having you here. You guys wouldn't make me say anything to Cal's students. Hey, staying in school, you're one of them. I'm Hafele and I'm here. Cal TV, thanks for having us. And it's about her journey when she gets into the underworld.