 Have all the money and they're not they are not the biggest good company in gaming right now. I will I will bet you Where did I see this hold on ten cents? They made up the most number of investments. I don't know anyway Anyway, that's interesting. I'm gonna stoke up Founded fears about your gaming companies great On the other hand, I think it's interesting that Rocket League is gonna be an epic game thing Right when everybody's really upset at epic games, but loves Rocket League So which will win outrage against epics exclusives or love for Rocket League? Well, that's that's my rage is against the machine cover band pretty good cover band Outrage against the machine. Here's the thing though. Epic is They're trying with their 88% or their thing where they say they'll quit snagging exclusives of steam changes their revenue model Well, I don't know. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, like their weird attempt to try to soften things up with the players I don't know what that is. I can't tell yet. I don't know which way that swings but Yeah, it's a weird thing I'm sure there's all sorts of crazy outrage about that, but I don't know that doesn't really bug me They know how to how to run and support successful video games Why not why not everybody loved epic until until they did the exclusive thing and then it just you know That worm turns pretty fast. Oh, yeah, it's a fast-turning worm Mm-hmm Left and right sometimes you need to take the anti worm medication and you need to deworm It would be where they put electrodes in the ground to make the war Was that called earthworm? Yeah, well you electrocute the ground and earthworms come up gaming is like that News just makes the worms go Come to the surface By the way Fitbit beat its Q1 revenue expectations because of smartwatch growth Fitbit I'm also. I'm so sorry that I missed the show with the eyes yesterday. I know We'll do it again though. Yeah, of course, of course and you know, thanks to everybody for holding it down for me. Yes Well, he's He's okay. He's not great. Nothing serious though. Yeah, he just has so I don't know your infections. Yeah, it's a dog ear infection. Yeah, he's not gonna like No, no, he definitely doesn't not like taking his medication, but oh and Ray doesn't either because Ray's got one too, right? Yeah, yeah, I know it's so funny like you were like, oh, yeah time of year. Yeah, I guess so I'm just so glad it's not a Foxtail, yeah, that's what you got to be careful with that because you know your brains Um Well, but but yeah, but thanks to everybody for holding it down yesterday and betcha glad to be back All right, you guys ready to do a show then big enough. Yeah I like it a lot. Let's do it Roger. Yes Yes, let's do it then here we go and three two Reese Kenworthy has supported independent tech news directly for five years be like Reese become a DTNs member at patreon.com DTNS This is the Daily Tech News for May Day May 1st 2019 in Los Angeles. I'm Tom Merritt and from studio feline I'm Sarah Lane from a way too cold May 1st in Salt Lake City. I'm Scott Jones and Make you sure I don't forget my wife's birthday today. I'm the show's producer Roger Jane You can easily remember it. It's always on International Labor Day. Yeah. Yeah, happy happy Labor Day to the workers of the world Let's start today by telling you we're gonna talk about whether slack has actually made things worse or Better as far as communication and then tell you a few tech things where you should know IDC estimates that worldwide Q1 smartphone shipments fill 6.6 percent a year over last year rather Huawei climbed back into second place by raising shipments up 50.3 percent quite a jump Vivo raised its shipments 24 percent and tied for fifth Samsung stayed in first while its shipments fell 8.1 percent Apple slipped into third Falling 30.2 percent and Jami was fourth falling at 10.2 percent. So that's the false Oppo slipped 6 percent, but tied Vivo for fifth Wow, it's the worst horse race I've ever heard of speaking of Huawei Nikkei reports Huawei plans to launch an 8k television with a built-in 5g connection by the end of the year It could potentially act as a router to share the connection the verge notes Foxconn claimed to be working on a TV with 8k 5g and AI to be made at its Wisconsin location, which is weirdly empty all the time But okay, sure 8k TVs coming to Wisconsin 8k 5g AI with blockchain Right to try to fit more buzzwords in there Researchers at Cisco Talos said attackers have been actively exploiting a critical zero-day vulnerability in Oracle's web logic server Since at least April 21st the exploit could be used to install ransomware with no interaction needed from the end users That's what makes this bad. It doesn't require anybody to get phished or click on anything And it's actively being exploited. It just requires an HTTP connection to a vulnerable server Oracle released an emergency patch on Friday So, you know public service announcement if you're working at an organization that runs web logic servers make sure they're patched Google said it will roll out a new feature in the coming weeks that will let users choose to automatically delete Location history and web and app activity You'll be able to choose to have the data deleted every three months or every 18 months a little more control I like that Google revealed details about a new customer service AI named call joy It's kind of the opposite of duplex It's for a business to take incoming calls with an AI it can answer questions like business hours It can text URLs for things that could be done online Like oh we have that available online Would you like me to text that and the AI I'll text you something and it can refer customers to human operators as well You have to use a new phone number if you're a business that wants to take advantage of call joy And it can only be linked to a single location Google will charge $39 a month per line Let's talk a little bit about what happened yesterday at f8 Scott Well f8 everyone's favorite keyboard key and the chance for Microsoft to get up and talk about Facebook As mentioned yesterday Facebook CEO Mark Zuckerberg emphasized privacy in his address at the f8 developers conference And that privacy has woven in as a theme in all the product and product announcements Verges Casey Newton to point out that Zuckerberg did not discuss why I Think I know Anyway, but in a New York Times interview to Mike Isaac Zuckerberg noted that the amount of stories Shared is expected to outnumber the number of feeds feed posts this year. That is to say on that on Facebook he also did not address the many Or sorry I did not address many of the questions put Tim in a conversation last week with his story Historian Yuval Noah Harari Especially does Facebook want to connect people for any particular purpose or simply to keep them looking at a screen I Well, it was Harari was was being much much less dramatic than Scott when he asked the question and I and I think he was asking it sincerely which I Commend Zuckerberg for engaging in that conversation with Harari, right? Harari did not play softball with him However, I think Casey Newton is tying this all together to say sure Facebook is pivoting to privacy partly because that's what its audience wants and Facebook wants Whatever its audience wants if its audience will do more things that are private by golly They're gonna deliver more privacy because that will lead to more interactions Whatever spends more time watching the screen as Harari put it is what Facebook wants to do So I would like to hear more of an answer to that myself Does Facebook want to connect people for a purpose or just to you know, addict them to Facebook? Well, I mean obviously Facebook is not gonna say oh, it's the latter But I I think it's you know, it's it's an interesting It's an interesting question that has been going on for quite some time But at this point has to be addressed at something like F8. Yeah, give us give it We know that you really just want to make money off us But you need to you need to meet people halfway I think and tell them like okay But we we we can make money doing something that is good for all of us and that you're not hearing anything like that from Facebook All you're hearing is let us tell you what you want to hear privacy. Yeah, and they I mean Their early days were more than just about getting people to stare at a screen. I'm sure that they were I'm sure that when Facebook was being formed Zuckerberg would tell you that it was just this exciting thing about what if everybody could be in the same place and what if you All have all the faces of women at Harvard, right? What if we get what if we did that? But you know, it's changed and what it's changed into is a multi-billion dollar enterprise And so yeah, I mean at some point they have to admit they just need our faces But it'd be nice if they had a more altruistic altruistic sort of plan for us all In the same Facebook vein Slightly those of you who don't listen to Tom and Scott on current geek will you're missing out But you also may not know that Scott has a fascination with thinking about the number of people in old movies who are now deceased sometimes Everybody in the whole cast of the movie. Well, Scott a study from a scientist at Oxford at university estimates that Facebook at its Current growth rate will have four point nine billion dead members by 2100 Many of us will be dead by then as well But you know, just look at the numbers in a bet of twisted statistics if Facebook stopped growing right now, which it Probably won't it would mean more dead members than living Facebook members by 2070 so right now you can choose a legacy contact and accounts can be Memorialized after you're gone the Oxford scientists said that Facebook should invite historians and archivists and archeologicalists and ethicists to participate in the process of curating this very large volume of accumulated data That we leave behind because we do in many cases Quote deceased may number the outlive May outnumber the living if current growth rates continue raising questions about what happens to our data So you probably should give a little background when on current geek I have this thing I just can't stop doing which is we'll watch something for our film festival about really old movies We'll see Casablanca for example. Yeah, I will notice that nobody there including camera people are alive They're all gone on the big crowd in the restaurant gone every single one of them. Nobody's here anymore And so I don't know why that's interesting to me. It just is and I see it I mean, it's interesting especially because you know, these are like classic movies where nobody involved Directly is around anymore. Yeah, and then but here is their art and it's a modern version of art and yet They're gone. So I feel like now that we're finally getting to that place in modern, you know Kinds of art be it film or whatever I find that's super fascinating. Well in this particular case, it's even more interesting because If there are that many people who were Facebook users and then passed away What is that data? Where is it and what will happen to it? I mean, I know it's on servers, but What will happen to it eventually will anything happen to it? Is it planned for by anybody? I know that there are services out there you can pay for that will Automatically email all your friends your important data and they can go to Facebook and log in and get your stuff And I know there's ways to do things around the periphery, but Most of that stuff just sits there and maybe we don't care. I don't know. It's just the subparameral thing But well, I mean, I you know Facebook's taking some steps to try to you know, figure out Okay, so what happens, you know, someone goes away You know, is someone designated as the person who now runs the account You know, if there is not that person, you know, let's make sure that that um, that the data is Protected in some way, but but yeah, I mean it's it's It's kind of it's kind of morbid But it it's it's a real thing that Facebook has to think about Particularly because many people on Facebook are not young And if you don't leave a legacy content, Facebook won't give the family access to the account because they're protecting the privacy of the person Who's dead that right? There there are privacy rights for the survivors That are that exist in a in a dead person's account But those are the people trying to get into the count usually so there ought to be a method for that To happen There's just a lot to be sorted out here Especially for accounts where there are no longer any interested parties in the survivor And at what point does the the rights of a dead person's account revert into the public domain and become part of the historical record Which it can be very valuable for so Yeah, I think this is a really interesting question to bring up And in theory it's us who will have the most data in there our generation because We're the ones that have put the most into it. My 80 year old mother has barely got a few years into facebook We're gonna have a whole lot more in there. So yeah, yeah, it'll be weird to see what they do Well for years there has been a lot of fear and uncertainty and doubt about what border agents might do to you Regarding your electronics when you return to the country Technically the customs and border control agency asserts that it has the right to search any device without a warrant In practice it rarely does But the incidents have been rising there have been notable single incidents For instance back in 2017 if you recall there was a nasa engineer Who felt he had to allow customs and border control to search his device Even though it had classified data on it that he was not allowed to let anyone else see including customs and border control agents Tuesday the electronic frontier foundation and the american civil liberties union asked a federal court to rule without trial That the department of homeland security should disregard the first and fourth that that the department of homeland security does Disregard the first and fourth amendments And that's wrong and they're asking for a preliminary ruling Saying like you should just summary judgment say look this policy Disregards the first and fourth amendments you should stop this policy of searching devices without reason without cause without warrants the motion cites statistics That customs and border patrol searched 33 295 devices in fiscal year 2018 and that is up 9% From the prior year keep in mind customs and border patrol processes more than a million passengers per day So you're talking and you know close to 400 million passengers per year 33 295 devices is a very small percentage But what the eff is pointing out here are two things one the number is going up and there's no, you know, they could be targeted for any reason and Maybe that shouldn't happen. Maybe they should be required to have a warrant or cause and we're talking about returning us citizens here Forget, you know actual actual travelers and visitors from other countries 9% um struck me as a small hike from the previous year. I don't know how the rest of you feel I mean any hike is Not great, but yeah nine's I I also would see nine and not that it would be an anomaly But let's see what it is next year and if it continues on an upward growth, then it's not a fluke, but 9% doesn't strike me as a huge increase either I guess I don't know. I don't know why I feel that way either Like a big number to me I think what the eff is trying to point out is this problem this Problem may be small, but it's getting bigger and maybe we should nip it in the bud before it becomes a bigger problem And they're not yeah, they're not yeah And granted if you're if you're not from the u.s. And you're like wait is my device going to get searched it could Again chances are it won't the predominance of the chances would again a million per day 33 000 searched in the highest year yet Uh It's 33 000 searched over a year. It's a pretty small percentage, but the question isn't how often is it happening really? The question is should it happen at all? Should they need a warrant And I think they well, I don't know if they do or not I'll tell you this this is a little unrelated, but I got to the tsa2 and from anaheim last year with a pocket knife in my bag That I had forgotten about that's not border. That's not border. I know I know it's not I shouldn't be able to get a knife through the freaking tsa is my point tom That's like saying, you know, the u.s. Military has drones, but I was speeding the other day like I know That's why I said I'm related. I'm just saying it's not that unrelated. It's supposed to be security reasons And they're bad at entirely different agencies doing entirely different things No, but I mean but your point scott. I mean, yeah, there have been times where I mean I don't think I travel with knives that I know of but you know I travel with a lot of podcasting equipment that confuses tsa and like most of the time they're like, all right We're talking about the tsa that doesn't vary in any way on the customs and border patrol agents Well, all right Yeah, I mean we're the only reason I'm making a big deal about this is we're not talking about searches Like pat downs looking for knives. We're talking about customs and border patrol saying do you have a phone on you hand it over Right, you're not going through a metal detector. You're you're not like Have a list of things that like make sure you don't have this in your bag. This isn't that at all This is uh, I've decided that maybe you're suspicious. Maybe you're a journalist and I don't like it Uh, so please give me your phone and I want to copy all the data off But that's not something the tsa is gonna do Sure, but um, when you're talking about going through Some sort of metal detector and and you're saying in this case not not the case Okay, well if I'm a nasa engineer and I have uh, a data that's that's very important And somebody doesn't see it You know, what what happens then? Well, they can search through your bags at customs, right? Sure But it's not a metal detector situation And so what the nasa engineer was doing was trying to cooperate and be like, hey, you know what? I just want to do what I need to do to get back in the country I ate an avocado in las vegas last week Nothing to do with this I'll say Was it an indian avocado? No, it wasn't it looked like you know what it actually looked like It looked like one of denaris's eggs from the game of thrones if you want the truth It looked like one of those I only ask because our next story is about india Oh, well, let's talk about it. India is taking over. Uh, excuse me taking over the lead from china in fintech funding Total value of the funding rounds in china dropped 87.56 percent year over year from 1.54 billion to 192.1 million Meanwhile india saw a record 286 million fintech investments overall fintech investments in asia fell to a five quarter low kind of interesting right You know granted the bigger story here is that fintech investments in general in asia have fallen quite a bit because china had 1.54 billion last year and india now has the biggest at 286 million but it also means that that india is holding against that trend which I I think with all the payments Processing as such an important factor in india right now. I think that's that that is very noteworthy Well on the subject somewhat apple q2 revenue fell five percent, but still beat expectations international sales accounted for 61 of revenue and services reached an all-time high of 11.5 Billion dollars which apple says accounts for one third of gross profits iphone and mac revenue fell but ipad revenue rose iphone revenue accounts for 53.5 of apples total Not super surprising down from 61.4 percent a year ago So it's still over half tim cook said that apple wearables also grew to 50 percent Yeah, so the the important part is apple wants iphone revenue as a share of apple's total to go down They want to be able to tell people we're not entirely relying on iphone's because then if the iphone market just plummets They're not messed up. So two things important here one is wearables growing close to 50 percent Is good growth you want to see air pods watches sell in larger and larger numbers We just found out right before the show that fitbit had a great revenue, which means wearables are on the rise So so a great revenue earnings report. So that's good And the other thing is seeing services as a third of gross profits now 11.5 billion is nothing to sneeze at it's still Not like all the services they have still don't really uh make up for iphone revenue But at least it's headed in the right right direction. So my summary here is Apple's earnings report not good enough for you to say apple is safe But not bad enough to say that apple's in trouble Yeah, fair enough. Also, it's cool to see ipad revenue on the rise I'm a little bit biased right now because I think it's the best art tool in the business and artists are loving it and uh, that's I don't think that's the reason necessarily for that rise But it's a selfish reason because it means that's a help I I think it probably is it might be. Yeah, it might be I mean, also, there's a lot of choice now on that line that there didn't used to be You can kind of get one that fits your needs the best and also there's a good price range For those who are trying to be a little uh less spendy and also there's sort of top end. So I think they're just handling the tablet market for what it is They're handling it better than they have in the past and that's really good for guys like me who have found uh You know found a reason for that thing to exist in their lives. So good for them Hey, folks, if you want to get all the tech headlines each day in about five minutes Be sure to subscribe to daily tech headlines dot com Now, uh, interesting story from recode today and also republished on vox.com that idc Estimates team collaborative apps is a 3.5 billion market set to grow 70% in the next three years And this could be bad for productivity By team collaborative apps, we mean microsoft teams slack Google hangouts meet google hangouts chat facebook workplace any of these Systems that are designed to replace email so that you don't have to waste your time with email We've made things better by giving you slack or teams or workplace All agree these apps should improve productivity But recodes ronnie mola notes that those hopes seem right now similar to open floor plans Which by the way, everybody has started to realize open floor plans don't help productivity But the idea with an open floor plan was oh, we'll break down hierarchies We'll spark chance interactions and innovations and that's kind of what slack and the like are supposed to do Company called time is limited estimates that employees at large companies send more than 200 messages per day And that power uses of these collaborative apps can send a thousand or more messages a day, and that's additive not replacing In some ways team software has sucked out some of the frivolous communication emojis and memes and stuff Leaving email the place for thoughtful communication, but essentially The same amount of communication is happening rescue time says chat is now the second most common computer activity after email And the total time spent communicating has remained the same over the past six years worth noting here that distractions like notifications that you've got a slack message reduce your productivity Because it takes time to return from a distraction And get back to work that multitasking has basically been shown to be a myth That at best it's equal to not multitasking if people who are really good at it And for most people multitasking makes you worse at a job because you can't focus So what are the solutions? Well microsoft is adding some templates to optimize teams uh slack kind of nudges you to be uh optimizing your settings if it notices some behavior But it could be better at that But basically workplace culture and training are the things that are missing The workplace culture demands that you respond to these things and you're never trained on how to reuse them responsibly Sarah pack founder and executive director of startup pregnant Uh is quoted in this recode article is saying we don't have a technology problem We have a boundary problem. It doesn't matter if it's email or text message We really suck at boundaries and suck even more at communicating them letting people know that oh, if I don't respond to you It's because I'm not working right That's pretty interesting. It's uh I feel like it came it came around and I was on board. I went. Oh, this is a cool idea This means I'll spend less time emails It's like the world we're gonna change in the right direction and and it kind of does in some ways What I have is nice organized collaborative chat rooms really is what I've got now And those are great because if everyone's paying attention and on board, especially if they're all there at the same time That's a great way to get stuff done because we're all paying attention. We're looking. We're listening But if there's chunks of time between when you respond like email It's not much better than email And so what I found is email is still a thing and in fact for the more official stuff I do it's almost always email And then the work stuff I do is on slack So I've just got this other avenue to communicate with those I have to work with or need to work with And I don't actually save any time if anything I've just I've made it possible for me to do more and that's often what we do You know, I was saying earlier before the show back in the day when uh lotus one two three happened Every accountant on the planet thought this is the death of our industry We are going to have to get new jobs What a waste of a CPA degree that we got blah blah blah and the opposite happened it created so many new jobs And most people who had one kept them and it just meant we had more to do now and we get to it faster and more of it so This is a microcosmic version of that, but I think that's what this is and at least that's how it's affecting me Yeah, you know, it's it's funny, you know for for our purposes on dts. We we have a slack channel We use it regularly. It's a very very helpful That's where I know everyone's going to be if someone's little green dot is not, you know If if it's not green, I know like okay. Well, they might be away, but they'll be back pretty soon And you know, so we we've made it work for us. It is a very good collaboration tool However, it's also a lot of you know, there you know, there's like the ha ha giffy stuff um, which I am a total um, like, you know, I I'm I'm uh Well versed in in how silly that is but you know, it makes everybody laugh It's it's sort of a glorified texting tool for them for the most part Yes, you can share files. You can you know, talk to folks and it's real time and the whole thing but it is It feels to me like all right. It's a little instant messenger, but just like cooler Yeah, you also get like channel fatigue People talk about having 80 channels somebody. Yeah, rich truffle, you know Who does daily tech headlines said that uh, one of the companies he contracts with Has an 80 channel slack and he's expected to keep up on all of them Which is that's insane. I mean Nobody could do that What's crazy about that is it's not only insane Slack doesn't let you delete those channels in any sort of easy way. I don't know if you guys have ever tried this You can hide your channel. Yeah, it's horrendous how you have to get rid of a channel So that's just slack. I know others do it differently and we could have conversations about all of their ups and downs But 80 is crazy. You've got you've got to like I don't know 10 is crazy But like back to your your point scott about you know, how you know, uh slack was and and again, we're using slack as as as uh, uh and uh obvious, uh um Uh, they're the leader. So it's easy, right. Yeah, exactly. You know went public Everyone's talking about slack right now, but the idea that it was sort of like replacing email However, and this just happened to me the other day where I had Something that was you know, it was it's kind of important that I had to deliver to somebody And I could have delivered it on slack, but I was like, well email is just like more official So we're I I feel like it's there is no replacement of email It's more of just like slack is where a lot of stuff happens But email is still like the king in certain situations Yeah, I I said this when we were prepping for the show, but it reminds me of freeways where People say, oh, there's too much traffic on the freeways. We need to add some lanes They add some lanes and more traffic uses the freeway because there are more lanes now Like it doesn't solve congestion and increases traffic. That's a that's a proven thing It also reminds me of spam because it doesn't cost anything to send any of these messages So when you're using email and slack and you have two different ways, you might use both of them You might communicate twice as much because it doesn't cost you anything but time to do it And there's a lack of visual cues. I get where slack is like, oh, it's immediate That's different than email Email somebody doesn't respond to but I want somebody to respond to you right away Whereas if you're in an office, you'd walk up and if you saw the door was closed Or you saw that the person was really busy You might hold off and wait until they were free to interrupt them Whereas with slack you can't see that so you're just interrupting them all the time And I think it's absolutely right that we need to learn How to use these tools and how how to know when it's proper to use them How to know properly how to respond to them when to have notifications on when to have notifications off I flatter ourselves that we use it pretty responsibly on dts But I think even we could probably learn some things from from just the general intelligence About what are the best practices? It's weird because I feel like it is going It's going the direction of that open air office thing that turned out to be not so great Yeah, it'll have to be dialed back because right now slack is sort of like come on in Use it how you want to we got these cool plugins, but you don't need them if you don't want like we're all just here Like they're that attitude is great because it means we can sandbox for a while But I do think we're getting to the point where we're going to have to start Putting borders and figuring out what those borders are Yeah, for sure Thanks everybody who participates in our subreddit You can submit stories about slack or other workplace apps or anything else that you like and then vote on others at daily tech news show dot reddit dot com We're also on facebook facebook dot com slash groups slash dillie tech news show What's in the mailbag sara cori in boston wrote in cori works in application security and code analysis for large contractors and reminds us The uk's wall way oversight committee published a 46 page report this year Cori says I read it with details of their multiple years of code and architectural reviews The first is that the committee did not find evidence of intentional backdoors. However, they raised specific Articulate concerns about how downright terrible the wall by code was to report details out of support libraries with known Vulnerabilities extensive unsafe memory handling different firmware versions on the same hardware And all functions that allow for buffer overflow attacks on top of all of these numerous Literally several hundred as cori says problems while they largely did not fix the issues that the technical auditors found Last year or even the year before that They're simply not improving even with independent auditors giving them specific directions. So cori says tldr no malicious backdoors Purifiably bad software practices and companies absolutely should not use wall way network infrastructure It's not worth the risk crappy code is just as bad as malicious code if you're trying to protect your networks Yeah, we actually talked about this when that report came out with justin robert young, uh, I believe on the show and Uh, our our you know, I I can't remember was our title for that show or if it was just the joke We were kicking around but we were basically saying like wall way Maybe or maybe not spying but definitely not very good at making this stuff So, uh, thanks for the reminder cori. That's good stuff Absolutely, and thanks also to scott johnson for being with us two days scott What has been going on with you? I'd heard you had a nice weekend Yeah, we had a really fun weekend in vegas. It was nice to see some dts fans there as well Tom and air will there had a great time and always have fun with this community Looking forward to whatever we do in the future. So a huge thanks for that Uh, these days I'm just kind of catching up after being gone for so long and looking forward to my next sit down With patrick beija for an episode of mvgb. That's the monthly video game briefing Which he and I record on a monthly basis and it's awesome If you are a part-time gamer or somebody who's just interested in the world of gaming and wants to know What's happening out there without being some sort of hardcore player yourself? That's what that show is and you can find it over at frogpants.com slash mvgb And I hope you do it's really good. 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We almost got to the point where we're like, ah email the old-fashioned way I appreciate getting a good email the way people used to talk about appreciating getting a letter, you know Yeah, yeah It is Well, like I I really do sometimes feel like oh when I get an email now. I'm like, okay. They really mean it Yeah, yeah, but whatever. Yeah, like whatever the is being conveyed is like this is Yeah, an emoji or a meme We're right. Yeah Yeah, uh, so we have data of the dead That's our leading title suggestion That's not tracking Oh, I like that one. That was pretty good. Check it and see don't be such a call joy I was gonna say my call joys keep dropping off my switch. I can't figure it out. I gotta buy new ones Ooh, this one's not bad slack luster Oh Like that one epic slacking is another good one Cut me some slack Uh, slack is for slow. Oh, I got a lot of slack ones in here. Um It's good. It's orders around apps I also feel like I mean, it's not really it's sort of beside the point, but it's called slack You know, like like we're we're so used to using it at this point. It's like the the I mean the name of the program is slack slack Yeah, it's the irony isn't lost on me either I like the audience who like the there's equal irony over on discord, which I meant to actually bring up it I didn't but discord is becoming this very community driven thing that I must use for shows um For all of them and in separate ways and stuff and The irony of that name is not lost on me because you're supposed to providing a good healthy communication But it's called discord Yeah There's there's a funny connection to sort of alternative Uh alternative press classics of the 70s and 80s slack was Like a main component of the church of the sub genius I don't know if you guys have ever run into that Uh, but slack was sort of their mystical thing that you were always cultivating in the church of subgenius And discord Always reminds me of the principia discordia by mal eclipse the younger which was this this kind of cool like alt press thing In the 70s that inspired the illuminati trilogy by robert anton wilson. So this whole subculture Connection, I don't know how much of it is intentional how much of it is just coincidence, but I like a good conspiracy. So i'm going down. Yeah. Yeah, uh, so stop slacking or slackluster I like slackluster personally same. All right Okay, one more choice then because mdta uk submitted, uh, both a version that's spelled t er and a version spelled t re Oh Oh Yeah, all right. Yeah very america. This is america tom No metric system situation Come on. It's the metric spelling out of here. Uh, so kill a slackluster All right, uh, anything anything for a good day internet Excites the senses Data of the dead Kind of like that data of the dead, I mean i'm i'm so everything Everything in my life is like based on like game of thrones memes. So i'm like data of the dead. That sounds good Yeah, white walkers got it got it. Yeah. Mm-hmm. Yeah Love it nailed it So, uh, if you watch our videos and you like watching them live particularly, uh, the uh, the old, uh, twitch tests have been going on and we have another one coming up On When is it is it a friday? I think Friday the 10th Yeah, friday may 10th. We'll be testing our our twitch live. We've been doing them on mondays But the we're going to be doing this one next one on on a friday So friday the 10th, uh, twitch.tv slash good day internet if you want to Take a look at that and a lot of people have been wondering like wait, which days do you stream on twitch and what you don't It's all tests right now. So it kind of is just going to change around but the idea is hopefully by june We'll be ready to to flip the switch and and do our live streaming in uh in twitch. So so mark your calendars Very nice Nice lead up. I like yeah, just circle the entire month of june. I think it's probably be june first, but we'll see Get your hype on son Get your hype on get your hype on Get your hype hypodermic needle Hype uh direct ain't deal It's just so catchy. Also, we got a hot blooded thing going on. I heard roger doing uh, so yeah And then you can see anything it's like hot soup I'm sorry. Who did we uh, uh realize saying that for foreigners from foreigners. Is it from the album four? No No, it's from it'll take so Okay, so the name for a girl is is another what and like for her had quite a few hits right double vision my my apologies There's no one that's one of the hits right there. It's one of the hits I feel like that was a burger king commercial at one point Hot blooded hot burgers. No double vision double vision like double vision. You'd see a double burger. Yeah, I remember this too I haven't yeah, yeah, yeah Sarah's not wrong but it's also like I you know, I I I assume and perhaps incorrectly that everybody in the group foreigner was American so what like where where do you kind of go like, you know what that's it We're you know, everyone in the band Asia wasn't Asian Well, exactly, right? I mean, but it's also like, you know, the everyone from the band chicago I think they were from chicago and then there's boston and then there's uh, This you're all swedish, right, you know, but it's like it's Missouri. There's a band named Missouri Mara. Yep. Can't just blowing of the wind. Oh, we are Love that song wonderful song. I was like prog rock Moving on is the Because because you don't want unprogressive rock. No, you know, I mean prog rock I mean progressive rock was a very specific genre, right? Missouri Would we call that progressive rock? I don't think so. I don't know classic rock classic rock. Yeah Yeah, just like new waves What is progressive rock like what's progressive? How are we progressing? I thought the progressive was the progression of start out small and ended up really wall of sound by the end Do I have that? Oh I never thought of it that way Progressive rock or this is according to wikipedia is a broad genre of rock music that developed in the uk and united states from the mid 60s forward The term Was related to the style which was an outgrowth of psychedelic bands who abandoned standard pop traditions In favor instrumentation and compositional techniques more frequently associated with jazz folk or classical music Yeah, so I I was thought it was it was a reference to which I never understood really but a reference to Some sort of like We're we have progressed beyond classic rock Well, I mean additional elements include lyrics that were more poetic technology That was harnessed for new sounds and the music that approached the condition of art In the studio rather than the stage became the focus of musical activity So what does where does where does a rush fit into this prog rock? I would call them prog rock. Yeah. Yeah Either way, we'll still uh, I I just want to interject this for those who are wondering We will still upload our videos to youtube the youtube channel and daily tech news show is not going away I see a few people panicked about that. It's only the live that would switch to twitch in june As for progressive rock. Yeah, I mean Op had a formula if you were against the floor formula. You were being more progressive about music. That's how I always took it Well, yeah, I think I have it wrong. I thought it was like a specific structure of song I mean, I might there might be something to that too It's on there goes my maserati goes 180 fine. I can't think of the name of the guy. It's rush Oh, no, you're thinking I know I know I used to think Yeah, but then it got And I got like really weird Oh, is it uh, not done Henley not done Henley. Oh, no. No, thank you theater monkey. Joe Walsh. Joe Walsh I thought that song I thought that song rock. I thought that song was totally prog rock Um, that was a great song. It is a great song. Yes. And yeah, very much not rush, but uh, but It was odd It was an odd song It's the kind of song where people everyone's like, I don't know who sings that without the internet would be able to Answer that question. No, we used to there used to be that one guy you would always go to he would either be at the counter of the coffee shop in a bar or just like one of those Uh guys who just mill around a record store, but they would have an encyclopedic encyclopedic knowledge of music Yeah, other names for progressive rock are art rock or symphonic rock. So I think rock Yeah, that that indicates that it's it's about changing up the formula and doing things that are unexpected Well, I liked the song like that Joe Walsh song the reason I like it is it feels like it's telling me this Story story and then it has like emotional dips and highs that you don't at least it's not considered progressive rock But yeah, I think you're right, but I it's something else then and I don't know what to call it But I love that kind of music and rush did it pink floyd did that a lot Um, I don't know what years in chicago early moody blues. Yeah, there's something Something there that I don't know what to call it, but I love it king crimson king crimson King crimson What I don't know You don't know king crimson. No, I know that I know the crimson king from uh from the dark tower series Oh, no king crimson is definitely what I think of what I think of art rock Really? Yeah. All right. Um, the joe walsh Uh, uh song um where he says like I go to party stay until four like like the first time I heard it I was like stand still four It's really late He can't leave because you can't find the door or I'm like that's a little horrible party Don't you have somewhere to be tomorrow or a dead morning? Like look you have a job Yeah, like get out get out of there That's that's the one phrase that owes and I had my head spinning is where someone to ask you don't you have somewhere to be? Like what is that As all those chords I expect What does bluestar cult come in as? Oh, they're like they're like very classic rock. Yeah, they've got some prog rock Feel to them, but I think that I just think it's weird because they did a song about godzilla Yeah, and that's how it's stuck to like I guess. Yeah pink floyd is definitely prog rock They're hard rock heavy metal a cult. Oh a cult rock. I've never heard of that Rock and oh, yeah. No shanago's got it. Yeah emerson lincoln palmer Sure who's saying What who's saying? Oh, oh, what is it like a commerce thing? Uh-huh Uh, I'm trying to remember any of the names of their songs because I I I know the I I know them, but I I can't think of like the big hit But there is one I can't either I remember they they reformed as emerson lincoln pal in the 80s and had a hit But that is not their big hit That sounds like a british like electronics company from the beginning fanfare for the common man Lucky man Who's there emerson lincoln pal? I just remember because I it was one of those things where I found out about emerson lincoln pal Because I was a kid and top 40 music and all of that uh And then uh, I remember older people being like emerson lincoln pal. Oh, no, that's like a pale limitation Emerson lincoln palmer Just somebody got swapped out type thing. Yeah, but as you might expect it was palmer for pal right No, it's like star jefferson aeroplane and aeroplane and Starship Starship was worse. They're the worst, but jefferson aeroplane was cool Yeah, the jefferson I don't know that's on 80s man emerson lincoln pal Jefferson starship was I still think the poster poster child of celina becoming a corporate rock band A friend of mine her dad was in a it was sort of a local Band, you know, they played it like bars around, you know, where we lived You know, it's kind of a dad band. Yeah. Um, and you know, it was always, you know 10 people who might might be in there and we were all too young to even go because they were bars But he was obsessed with the band. Yes. Oh, I love. Yes. Yeah. Yeah Classic example of frog rock for sure Total frog rock. Yeah, like I remember him, you know, and he would kind of like be like, you don't even know How they break down like the guitar and blah blah, you know, we were like Whatever Lonely heart great song. Yeah. Well, they did. Uh, they were well known for their album covers because it was always like this weird airbrushed kind of fantasy or New agey feel but they also did the soundtrack Or gave music that they had licensed to The guys who created homeworld that rts space rts Oh, yeah Oh, I love the ladder Ladder, it's it's a it's a song to the game Yeah, it's the um, it's based on a classical song. All right, like, um, I think so I know this adagio for strings by Well, that's the the opening but like at the end during the chris when they play the song It's it's a yes song right right and um, no, it's just oh, it's actually that's one thing that struck to struck me is how many Bands over the years have length that are soundtracks like will score music for a game Uh, because like ever since trend res resner with was a quake quake quake one Where everyone's like, yeah, this this seems like a cool thing to do and doesn't seem too Too gimmicky To say goodbye to the video folks. Well, I guess it's not too cool for the video folks, but um It doesn't think we have to yeah, you know depends On the video at least acknowledge that we're saying goodbye to be polite about that And to let the audio folks to stick around there's more to come more to come