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With the help of wikipedia, they can update their knowledge and their teaching experience will become positive. Their collaboration skills will develop. Hi everyone. Welcome to the session on wikilov's monuments. I'm Krishna. I'm based in India. I'm talking to you on behalf of the international team of wikilov's monuments today. Some of you might have heard of wikilov's monuments. Some of you might have participated in it. Some of you might have involved in some form of organizing. This presentation is mainly oriented towards new teams or new countries that would like to set up and participate in wikilov's monuments out of the country. But it will also be helpful for anyone who is interested in wikilov's monuments in general, how the campaign works, why we are doing what we're doing, and the overall setup of it. So let's get started. So one of the missions, one of the primary missions is that we help to document all the cultural heritage, all the knowledge on wikis, which is parallel to the overall mission of the wikipedia movement, which is that everyone can feel the sense of all knowledge. Whereas we have a specific mission which is that all the cultural heritage is documented on wikipedia comments or any other projects in any other form that is possible. So how do we do it? We have a photo competition, which is annual global federated and low barrier. So what do these mean? It's annual. So we have the campaign running for the past 10 years. It's been over a decade since it started. It happens every year, annually in September and October. Sometimes we keep changing the campaign months due to different global events. It is the pandemic, for example. And it's global. All countries are welcome to take part in the campaign. If you have a team, all countries are taken part of their own campaigns and run wikilov's monuments in their countries. It is federated. By federated, we mean that we have an international team which will talk more about the structure, but which we only set the broad framework and make sure things are running and keep everything coordinated. But the core part of the campaign, which is running the campaigns nationally and getting the uploads and getting the winners at national levels that is done by national teams. And national teams are very free and flexible to have their own adjustments to the way they want to design things, the way they want to run the campaign, do the updates, all up to the national teams. So that makes it a very federated and distributed model. And it's low barrier because, just imagine, uploading wikilov's monuments has proven to be very friendly for newcomers who have not contributed previously to wikilov's wiki media projects at all. So uploading a photograph is fairly easy than, for example, writing a whole article. And because we have a lot of things autofilled with the help of lists of monuments, it becomes a fairly easy and low barrier entry point into wiki media projects for newcomers. And of course, it's a photo competition that makes it fun and we have helped spread a lot of newcomers. So we have this whole campaign set up. And so why are we doing this? Of course, we have the main mission, which is of course, we want to document all the cultural, build cultural heritage, and then increase contributions into wiki media projects such as wiki media commons, primarily wiki media commons because it's a photo competition. But we can, a lot of people, they come to wiki media commons, they upload the photographs, they get started with their contributions, but also migrate to other projects with wiki media or wiki data if they're interested in. And keep engaging the local wiki media communities. This happens to our greats. So whenever a country organizes wikilov's monuments, they do our activities. So there's photo walks, workshops, which help in turn to keep our communities engaged and enhance them. So as I mentioned, it's a federated model. We have different, we have several countries taking part every year. This, like in the past few years, it's somewhere between 40 to 50. We're trying to improve this count this year and the next few years. So the first year, it was only one country and then it was Europe and then it went international from 2012. And so it doesn't necessarily mean that all countries, for example, if you participate this year, that you have to participate again, it is up to the bandwidth of the national teams if they want to do it a certain year or not. Some countries do it every year, some alternate, some do it whenever they have the best bandwidth to what makes the campaign. And a quick overview of the uploaders and newcomers we have. So the blue lines are the total uploaders and the red ones are the newcomers of them. And I was mentioning before that it's a low barrier competition and this definitely proves that it's low barrier because we have almost 60 to 70% of all our participants newcomers. We might have anywhere between 8,000 to 10,000, 15,000 of uploaders and at least 67% of the one newcomers. So this was very interesting and exciting about Wikilev's one events. And so that's a broad overview of what it is and how things are and like so how does this work and like in the center of it. So we have the natural organizers who do the, I would say, the core work of the campaign globally. Of course they directly interact with the participants at national level and with the support of the national teams, like national entities such as NGOs or cultural organizations which can help to promote different teams have different partnerships with different entities such as UNESCO, other European or other cultural organizations at international and national level. And then we have us international team. So we'll talk more about the responsibility of the international team and the national teams. But what we try to do is set a broad framework that everyone can function within and have a fair participation among all countries. But it's quite flexible and we'll see more of that. So how do we share responsibilities? What does the international team do and what do you, like if you're signing up to be a national team, what responsibilities do you have? So we have, so the international teams have the overall framework. The overall framework, it means when the campaign runs, like for example this year, it's September and October, when in doing before that, it was just September and during the pandemic, we thought it should, it's good to have some flexibility because the situation of the pandemic situation is different in different countries and organizers would like flexibility to choose a month that's most suitable for them. Supporting and onboarding new teams if there are any issues with technical, non-technical and helping new teams to set up campaigns. And we also do the development of montage, which is the photo jury tool, which is used by regular respondents, but also many other photo campaigns. And then the center notices, which are primary means of outreach for the campaign. And of course, the main work with the international jury and winners are then announcing the international winners. So that's what we thought of the broad, the global structures that help national teams and other entities to smoothly run their campaigns. So the national teams just set up things on common set of the landing page and lists of ornaments. You could also pick a data if you have the bandwidth and outreach at national level, securing funding for national prizes and the national jury and the winners. So that's how there are roles and responsibilities. And then this might detectable like some national team skills or help with some of the international tasks and if you're interested, you can always join the international team. So that's probably the responsibilities. Coming to the timeline, we have this right now we have a preparation phase with setting up different things, getting the required funding and all those things. Some things happen prior to this, but this is where most of the preparation happens. And the next September to October, we have the national competitions, some different entities with different ways. But and then we have the international jury submission deadline, which is 5th December. This is where this is how the federated model works. So the national teams have their own national juries, get the top 10 national winners so that there are 40 countries participating in the year. We have 10 from each. So four running measures are taken into the international jury, of which again, then we run the international jury and the international winners. Suppose that more of the logistics of the private distribution and the reporting and all the things. So that's probably the timeline of how it looks. So now let's see how if you're a new team or a new country that wants to participate. Let's see how you can get started. One of the first things that you'll need is a team. You need a team of at least three people to keep things running smoothly. Oftentimes, sometimes we have instances where there's one member, there are two people, but it's good to have three. So the body is not too much or one or two of the organizers. So you can share the responsibilities. So it's coordinating the work at large and then someone for outreach and doing the setting of things on commons and one person to coordinate the jury. Those are the three broad areas. You can have more things. But since you're getting started, these are some of the basics. And again, what I'm going to stress is that these are the basics that are required to set up, but you always do more and it's limitless of what you can do in terms of outreach or other things that you want to experiment with. Some of the basic pages that are required on commons are the landing page. That's where whenever you have the central notice banner running across Wikimedia projects or whenever you use the clicks that they'll land on your page. Again, we have some suggested designs for the landing page, but you're free to experiment and design your own landing pages. Set up the basic category structure to gather the images to some maintenance if necessary and provide translations for the central notice banner and the upload wizard if it's not in English. And if you have other primary language in your country, you can provide translations for that. And then we have, so we were talking about big loss monuments being low barrier. And one of the primary reasons why it's low barrier is of course it's for top loading is easy, but we also make it more easier by having lists of monuments that participant can directly click on one of the monument and upload a picture and all the details will be auto filled in the wizard. So it offsets a lot of work of like entering details manually. So that helps newcomers make this more exciting. If you don't have a list already, you could, some of the sources you could look for is you could look for, if you've gone meant most of the governments have a cultural heritage department or so you can look up on their site if they have a list of monuments for your country. It can also be some other non-governmental organizations such as Europe might have some lists. Any other countries, other organizations in your country, which my problem is that it can also be other some sort of trustworthy source. It can be a new agency that publish list some research researcher who publishes this list. So it can be any source, any curated source that is fine. And you can take those lists and put them on making your comments and we don't have to help you with putting that set up. And then there's a timeline. There's not much work to do here, but there's a small decision that you need to take whether you want to organize the campaign in September or October. That's totally fine. But just try to remember that you can only have 30 days in either of those months if it is September or October. And once you do that, accordingly you can run the jury and submit the winners by 5th of December. So the jury, for the jury, it is important to have at least three jurors and it is mandatory to have three jurors because one person can be biased. The results can be biased. It's just one person, but two people, it's hard to break vote if there's a time. And so three is a good number to start with. You can always have more, but three is minimum. You can use the montage tool, which is just another fairly simple user interface where you can vote on an image and tally all the results that we end to find the top winning images. And we can have three to five rounds, some initial filtering, more detailed voting and the final top winning. And you can have more runs if you have more images. So that's totally the jury. The international team also heads with setting up the montage for the campaigns every year. And of course, once the jury is over, you will come to the prizes. You can have your feet. Again, this is up to the national teams to choose how might they want to give the prizes. It can be one to five or 10 or maybe other kind of special categories. You can choose that. The funding of the prizes and also other outreach activities you might have, you can do microgrants, which does is by the international team. It's fairly simple. If your budget is low and you want to have a lightweight process, you can do microgrants. You can apply for a microgrant from the international team. But if you have more budget or more prizes or outreach activities that won't fit this budget, you can always apply it to the Wikipedia Foundation or Rapid Funds. There might also be, these are the two mainstream like primary sources, but you can also try with other affiliates if they are in your region, if they already have annual plan and they're able to do some funding to your activities. And finally, those are the five steps that basics are required to keep things running, but you can also do more outreach. For example, these banners are by default there. They're run by the teams. You can also do social media promotions, have paid promotions and have a budget for it. You can also do activities such as photo walks. You might have heard of it. The group of people gather, they just go around the city, photograph things and upload them to Wikilev's monuments. And they can also do workshops for newcomers. So this is just some initial ideas. Again, you can always do more and have more ideas if you always welcome to try it out. And you can also always reach out to international team or other international organizers if you need any support or help with this thing set up. So just to recap, if you're a new team, new country, this is the basics that you need to cover up a team, have a list of monuments, decide on the timeline, or gather a jury, see how much you want to give the prizes and secure funding for them, and then do the necessary outreach to increase participation. We'll take questions at the end. Like we have the slots at the end to take questions. So thank you very much for attending the session. And yeah, you can always reach out to these through these talents. If you want to contact the national international team here, you can also post on the public list where you also have other national organizations who would be happy to help and share their ideas with you. And there are social media channels if you want to follow. Yeah, that's it about Wikilev's monuments, just the basics. And we also have a session just to remind you if you would be interested, we also have a session about improving diversity within inclusion in Wikilev's monuments, and also the photographic compass which is the research that we facilitated last year with the help of an external researcher. It's happening on 14th August from May 15 to 850 UTC, you can see it on the community program as well if you're interested in that. Great. Thank you, and we can take any questions we have. Thank you. Thank you for watching our video. I would have actually expected Krishna to be here with me. I'm Sil, a Wikimedian from the Netherlands and on the international team since last year. Krishna apparently has some troubles with joining us today, but he'll be... There he is. Yes, we can. Krishna, Yes, we can hear you. There's a question that was raised during the video. What are some monuments that are most exciting to you? Could you share something on the topic? I don't have one monument that's most exciting. I mean, some of the monuments that I like in India are, for example, the Red Fort. I like forts mostly because there's a lot to explore in forts, so yeah, I think the category of forts is what I like the most, but I think that's more of a first one. Thanks. So for me, actually, in Wikilos monuments, it's not specifically the monument, but it is about movement in the image and it's how an image or a monument is still used or not used maybe even. So in its environment to see all the surroundings, what is it now? What does it mean to the people living there? Yeah. So this, Sil, you might also be able to answer this better, but I think this depends on the country and the number of images that you might receive. So generally, we have three to five rounds. The first round, we have more time because you might have to filter out a lot of images. The more advanced rounds that you go to, the time commitment may less. So I think anywhere between three to five hours a week for like a couple of months, I think that average commitment and again, this depends on the number of images that you might receive for your country. I think you're very much correct. It also depends if you use the jury tool of montage that was actually mentioned by Lodewijk, F.E.s Anders, in the chat. There are different tools out there and you can do it old-fashioned way and just collecting them in a category that the jury will go through. But the jury has time until the 5th of December this year to come to that final top 10 that will be given to the Wikileaks Monuments International Jury. So it depends. The same question for the local team. What is expected time investment for a local team? What is your experience in that, Krishna? The campaign running, I think if you have again a team of three to five organizers in your country and anywhere between five hours to 10 hours, five to eight hours a week, and this might spike in some, like if it's the peak hours of the weeks of the campaign, it can go as 10 hours per week. But it's generally, if you have, like I said, what I was mentioning also in the presentation, if you have at least three to five members, especially if you're a new country that is participating on a new team, you could share that burden with different organizers. So yeah, and I would say between three, five and eight, depending on the time of the campaign and how many members do you have on your team? Yeah, I can agree. And also it depends. The first year you might want to take some more time because in the next years, you'll have all that work already prepared. You'll have the lists on either Wikipedia or Wikidata. So everything is available for you already. That first year it might take some more time. But we're happy. As the international team, we're happy to help you. And as long as you have volunteers and you have a nice team and you can work together, we can make this work. Krishna, again, a very nice question, I think. Do the sources for the monument lists, do they have to be published? Or could it be just a Google Drive document that people use as a source for their lists of monuments? Yeah, I think that's an interesting question. I think that always comes up. And there's also another question. I'm seeing it on the etherpad about if we should only use government sources or if we can use more sources. So it doesn't necessarily need to be government sources always. You could use a combination of the government sources and maybe if there's an NGO which publishes heritage organization which verifies the monuments and they publish a curated list. Those can also be used. Or if it's also a trustworthy source or something like that. But yeah, that is just me to make sure that there's no overlap or also make sure that the lists are not biased to a certain group of monuments. Sometimes we see in some countries this issue of certain lists are biased towards certain colonial monuments or other groups. If it can also be a Google Drive document, I don't have a perfect answer for that. If you, I mean we don't suggest that you curate that list because you might miss on some monuments and it's hard to verify what's the monument and what's not. Maybe you can, yeah, it's good to have if it's a published source and if it's more like a peer-reviewed source that's being used. Yeah, but the list itself does not have to be published online somewhere else as long as you have the list that is by some official organization. It's okay, right? Yeah, as long as it's from official, I mean we can reflect a little bit what's official, it can be an organization, it can be a government organization. Yeah, but some sort of like it's reviewed by someone and who verifies that these are monuments. Yeah, okay. Question from about the chapters and organizing Wikileaks monuments. If there is a chapter in your country, do they have to be there when you as a volunteer, as a Wikimedia volunteer decide you want to organize Wikileaks monuments or can you just organize Wikileaks monuments with a group of friends, Wikimedia, other Wikimedians from your country? Yeah, I think that's definitely possible. It doesn't necessarily need to be the chapter or the official affiliate always. I mean if they are interested to organize that's great, but it can also be other volunteers who are organizing and they can also seek support from the chapter if the chapter is not, if the chapter of the affiliate is not there, it will take up the full lead on the campaign. I think it would be good to just make sure that they're informed and they don't have any like, don't be causing any conflicts there. Yeah, if they're happy they're not taking up the campaign this year, I think other volunteers can always run the campaign. Yeah, I agree. Chapters have a lot to do and if your local chapter does not have the bandwidth to support you and you think this is very important then please just go ahead and organize Wikileaks monuments, I think. Yeah, do we have documentation about what is needed from a national organizer to organize Wikileaks monuments? Do we have any materials that people can use for support in helping organize Wikileaks monuments? There is a link on Commons where it has some basic information such as where to get the landing page, where to put up the translation for upload result and the central notice. I don't have the link handy right now but I'll share on chat before the session ends. I have it open. This is the link Krishna was talking about. Indeed, there are a few red links yet but also as an international team we're still getting organized and getting ready for the new year but at least this basic page and it's almost the same as the 2021 page. There are not a lot of differences that we have for 2022 in comparison to last year. A question that might be more difficult to answer is what are the steps to improve the integration of Wikileaks monuments and Wikidata? Wikidata, sorry. I'm not the best person to answer that but if someone is interested maybe we can connect with whoever is currently working on in that area. Yeah and so Wikimedia Sweden is working on Wikileaks monuments and Wikidata but and I am hoping there will be more information about that before we start on the 1st of September. Remember Wikimania, Wikileaks monuments runs from the 1st of September until the 31st of October and you're free to choose whichever 30 to 31 days within that time period suits your competition, your national competition the best so there is leeway in that planning in that time. Who can apply for the grants? So I spoke about a couple of sources where you can apply for the grant. One is the Wikileaks Monuments International team. If you're the team that is organizing Wikileaks monuments in your country and if your request is below 500 you're eligible to get the micro grant with us. If you're going for Wikimedia Foundation grants they have their own guidelines with them to grant and if you have a previous record of like if you have a set in the previous funds but I think the basic ones are you need to be a team like a team which is organizing micro monuments and being community good standing that is not blocked anywhere or have some sort of bans and I think also not any outstanding reports with the previous grants that you're taking from Wikimedia Foundation. I think that is correct. Is the criteria of monument age still used this year? I don't remember, don't recall us having a criteria for monument age do we? No, I don't think so. I don't remember having used such a guideline. No, I think we don't look at how all the monument is as long as it's recognized as a monument by an official organization. You're okay. They're suitable monuments to be photographed for the competition. Do we have any more questions? I think there is one when we have monuments on National Heritage List one is built one and isn't are both eligible for international judging. The latest one from, do you see any more questions? I don't. I see the chat is still ongoing so I'm just gonna maybe we can pause for a bit and because we still have four minutes according to my counter in feed loop so maybe two more questions. Okay, because of the two minutes lag that we have with feed loop and YouTube you might want to come to a close because I think we will both be around Wikimania in several sessions. There's also going to be the diversity equity and inclusion session on Sunday morning. I'm talking about inclusion in Wikilos monuments and also other photo competitions and I think we'll be around for more questions and more answers right Krishna? Yes, I'm around and I'll also quickly share the contact email if you want to reach out to the team. Yeah, okay. I think that's it from our side. Thanks a lot. Have a good Wikimania everyone. Thank you. On air. Good day everyone. Good morning, good afternoon and good night to wherever you are. Today we will be speaking about fiscal sponsorships. So a quick word of house maintenance before we get actually started. I'm Stefan. This is my face. I will switch quickly to a screen share and I'm talking directly into the chat so I can see them fairly quickly. Otherwise we have a chance that there'll be a rather, how could I say, awkward moment between the moment I finish my speech and the moment I can read your questions and access them. So as soon as something crosses your mind, please type in the chat and now we'll get ready to start. So you are Wikimediants. I expect and welcome to Wikimania. I hope you're enjoying the few talks you've had already and looking forward to the next few ones. There's a very cool one after me I know. And I'll introduce myself. I'm the other Kiwix guy, which means I'm the guy that doesn't code at Kiwix because Kiwix is a piece of software that allows people to access Wikipedia when there's no internet access. Also more things than Wikipedia but you know every single Wikipedia but also Wikicoats, Wikiversity, all the Wikimedia projects, actually we copy them and we package them so that they can be highly compressed and you can actually store the whole thing onto your cell phone no matter what they are. We keep it in Hindi, we keep it in Arabic, in French, in English. It does not matter. We are based in Switzerland which is slightly useful for the rest of my talk and if you have any question because I speak too fast or because maybe some things were not clear enough, feel free to ask in the chat or send me an email to Stefan at Kiwix.org. Also contact at Kiwix.org works or hello at Kiwix.org. If you want to find me you will find me. All right. So what are fiscal sponsorships? This is what we're going to see. We see what they are, what they can do for you, what you can bring to the table to make it work, like what is it that you need or what do you need to do to get it done and what does not work, like what are the cases where you probably don't want to get into a fiscal sponsorship because they wouldn't work with the Foundation. So a fiscal sponsorship according to Wikipedia, it's a practice of non-profit organizations such as Kiwix to offer their legal and tax-exempt status to people or to groups that are running a project somewhere and that need to receive a grant. Basically what this means is that we provide admin support. So you do your project and we do the registrations, we do the payments essentially and in most places where we've been working with people needing fiscal sponsorship it's because if you receive money from a non-profit then that money needs to be received from another non-profit. So we save you the trouble of trying to register your own needle, your own specific project because in some countries that's a bit too much effort for just like running edit returns or things like this or for the workshops. So you just give Kiwix address and everyone's happy. But concretely how does it work really? Okay so let's say you have a great idea, you want to run a series of edit returns around your country but you need money to pay for the trips, the food, the actual rooms, maybe some internet connection and you ask a grant to the WMF. You can actually ask a grant from anyone, it's not just WMF but again this is Wikimedia so we suspect that you'll be asking the Wikimedia Foundation. You make your proposal on meta and it's very clear and you have a budget and it says okay I need this and that and then we'll get this and that and I have a fiscal sponsor which is Kiwix and then Wikimedia looks at it and they'll be like okay it sounds like a good project. We will fund the grant and we will send the money to Kiwix. So the money arrives in Switzerland and you in your country wherever you are in the world you run your project. So you run the rooms, you call people, you make some noise, hey come and edit Wikipedia and then of course comes the time when you need to pay those bills. So either you need to be reimbursed for your travels or you need to pay for the rooms that you rented or maybe you bought a computer or maybe if it's a very large project actually there's staff salary that is involved as in like you know every month you get a little something for the work you done or pick something depends. Then that's when Kiwix comes to play. We pay those bills or we reimburse you if it's travel like you send us a copy you take a picture of your train ticket and then we we reimburse you for the price of a train ticket and we send the money directly to your account and there's no more paperwork than this to do. The only paperwork is here and I took a very clear example. So let's say we have the north pole wiki user group running editor tents in the north pole and Santa Claus is actually the owner of the project but it could be Santa Claus in ten of his team I don't care we would have ten people reimbursed it's no problem the whole team. So Santa Claus is running his editor tent and he wanted to bring some goodies for the kids also the food for the reindeer that he had to bring his material and obviously he's renting a factory to build all those nice little presents for the kids and run the editor tent. So the the the presents for the kids he bought in Angola I think and he paid in Kwanzaa I'm just giving different currencies to tell you that it's no problem we've seen quite a few people living in one country but then buying something off amazon or facebook and then they pay in us daughters even though in their own country I mean everyone's got their own currency it doesn't really matter because you're paying Kwanzaa in aruban florian or new and renminbi or us daughters you just put the conversion rate and at the end of the day if you want to be paid in us daughters or euros or whatever then it will be translated into the same amount. So Santa Claus made his his thing and or he directly sent us the bill for the rental of the room it really depends and then we will pay those seventeen hundred and five dollars to his account and then Santa Claus is done he's run his project he can do the the matrix for the wikimedia foundation but there's no other paperwork that is needed for him basically the whole purpose of this paper is just to make a list of the money he will get back and his bank account number so we can send it to him that's about it so as I said minimal paperwork no registration needed with the government because kiwigs does it and we're certified in a non-profit the wikimedia foundation covers the cost associated with the fiscal sponsorship so you just add 10 percent at the end of what you need and that's the standard thing and they don't care anymore and we actually also pay for staff salaries and as you can see I've put a little asterisness to it because if you are as part of your project considered as an employee of the project well you still need to pay taxes in your country so you need to to take part of that of that part of the admin but otherwise anything else payments is being managed by us and that's when I remind you that if you have questions you should put them in the chat because between a moment I'm speaking right now and the moment you will hear me there's one or two minutes and we're not too far from the end of the presentation already because as you see it's pretty pretty simple the only thing I need to discuss is the bot there's always a catch so there's always a bot and what are the situations where fiscal sponsorships won't work there's actually two really and I would say even just one the main reason why you shouldn't go into a fiscal sponsorship is whether you but most likely your country is under some sort of restrictions so luckily there aren't too many like days mostly like North Korea Russia Iran when I say you if you're listed terrorists we probably cannot send you money but I don't expect this to happen you never know I mean lots of Wikimediants but I expect not and that's about it also listed so we cannot send money from wherever and particularly not the Wikimedia Foundation that's specifically strict that actually is stricter than us Qx being in Switzerland because they are Americans and it is what it is and they cannot send even indirectly money to countries with whom the US government has a beef the only other reason where there could be an issue is if you need to plan on buying online vouchers and you need to use a credit card if you don't have a credit card we cannot use our own credit card because we found out the hard way that in many countries it doesn't work like I'll give you a concrete example someone was based in Bangladesh and he said okay I'm going to send vouchers to local Amazon India so there was Amazon which is global company but Amazon India doesn't accept credit cards that are not from the country from that are not from Indian citizens so we had to work something out with people we knew and blah blah but the end of the day it was just too much effort so the way we'll bypass the problem is that you find someone with a credit card and we will pay them back but that's the only thing you cannot use our credit card but otherwise if we need to pay I don't know a website designer because you had a new website you send us the bill and we pay that person directly no problem so just don't be in a country that you know manufactures bombs and send them to America that's the bottom line we have some experience with fiscal responsibility quite a few cool very very cool groups actually people are really really like word heritage user group they're based in France and Morocco so in their case we pay for Facebook ads for a website designer believe and now they have a project manager or two there may be an app that can be used for GLAMS so keep your eyes peeled if you're interested in in working with GLAMS because there will be some very very cool product coming out of them we can be the answer for Russia they're running a bunch of editor turns and train the trainers so we have them thought that a much smaller project which was the Arabic wiki days but it worked as well we paid for graphic design I believe West Bengal user group vouchers for a contest it was wiki loves oh no that's the wiki loves women South Asia where we paid for for vouchers and West Bengal we're paying computer travel transport editance and all those things as you can see there's a whole range of activities again the bottom line is that we're there to cover you back you do your project and we're behind and this is the end of my talk already it's a lightning talk and for reason again if you want to contact me afterwards feel free to reach out stefan at kwiks.org or find me through the website or find me on on met the problem I'm going back to my camera I hope you can see me I can see some of you hello and I'll try to read the questions so I have a very small screen oops I'm the only one not seeing any presentation happening no it wasn't okay well it is not on and there's a letter pad I forgot to mention that one and I oh Alex hello and ex long time no see and yes as Mike Peel says there are other fiscal sponsors available kwiks is just one of them speak with the wiki media foundation they know all of us they probably will know which one is better for your region or country because I mean I'm based in Switzerland so I kind of think I'm the center of the world at least time zone wise I can reach out to more or less everywhere but there are groups that are based in Asia there are groups that are based in South America try to speak with Janice at the wiki media foundation she would be the one to know all the team is super helpful there are great people so really feel free to ping them ask questions do not be shy the wiki media foundation grant process is actually very well run and I say this from experience and comparison with others so ask questions to me if you want something informal or directly to them it will be okay I see another thank you well I thank you and I will wait another few seconds to see if there are more questions I actually have two minutes so there will be two minutes of more questions I would just spend the time awkwardly dancing and I cannot play elevator music sadly but I had a very good compilation and we'll see and I'm done no dancing I would actually appreciate if commenters would comment on my dancing abilities you know it's kind of nice I'm putting an effort here people all right there's 50 seconds left no other questions I take it as a wrap so thank you very much again and I shall be waiting for your email so your grant proposals we speak a lot with the foundation so there's always a big discussion thank you very much I cannot read your name is a kill thank you for okay yeah well next wiki mania there will be you know live sessions and we'll be dancing you'll be my first dance is a kill my words all right everyone um I don't know how to disconnect so I'll just press on disconnect and I wish you a great day and a great rest of wiki mania bye hi everyone um I was told that I would be able to share my screen on the left and I was hoping someone could tell me um where I press to share my screen um I do not see a share screen button but I could send you my slides if you want or I could just chat for 15 minutes um it's the top left in a drop oh okay okay hopefully everyone can see this um I'll just go ahead right now um my name is Annie rower da I run social media accounts called depths of wikipedia on instagram tiktok and twitter and I'm very excited for this um I'm this is my second wiki mania and I've been to a few conferences but this is my first time presenting a little bit about me is that a little bit about me is that um I recently graduated from the university of michigan with it I studied neuroscience this on the left is my assistant um and then right now I'm a freelance writer one thing I wrote I actually am so glad I put this one as the example because I talked a little bit about key wicks which I believe the last session mentioned um this is my tiktok where I talk about some like goofy wikipedia rabbit holes um tiktok actually has a feature where you can link to wikipedia so it's interesting to see how um page views on wikipedia are affected by a viral tiktok I don't I haven't done any scientific research I just noticed um there's also the instagram which it's been two years about and now it's a million followers and then I've gotten a lot of press too this was me in the new york times the new yorker even did look at the little caricature of my cat that they did um I like that they made her blue um and then this is discussing um live shows I've done a few live comedy shows um across the country and I'm having fun so I believe I'll do more um where I have a slideshow I talk about wikipedia I make some jokes sometimes I'll bring in some star wikipedia I um had Andrew Lee and I had um Steven Pruitt the editor in english wikipedia with the most edits um at a recent show and that was exciting um more press this is me on the news for some reason talking about um odd rabbit holes on wikipedia really what I'm saying is that this has struck a nerve with people and so I'm really glad that people are getting excited about wikipedia this is just a screen grab of some of the things that I posted on instagram recently um some favorites of mine include blobject which feels just so aptly named a design product with an absence of sharp edges I was also enamored by the fact that well this is the one on the bottom left um albania has um over a hundred thousand bunkers built during the soviet era and there's a note on the bottom that young people will um will go there and hang out um some more samples of things that I think are charming on wikipedia and other people do too this chimpanzee which is probably not typing him but hey maybe who's to say um I posted this image of yon smith a paleontologist who's he's really successful he studies um stratigraphy and like the um the meteor that killed the dinosaurs anyway his wikipedia photo to me was the funniest thing ever because of course he's looking at rocks he's a paleontologist 200 000 people on twitter liked this image and the next day I saw a response from rob crane his son-in-law saying that yon smith was looking at yon smith looking at rocks um here's another fun corner of wikipedia that I enjoy um the high five page has featured these photos since about 2008 and you can kind of tell from the fashion here like this is 2008 um I tracked them down a few months ago and I reached out to them and I was very excited to discover that um victim misses in the bottom left here are you ready for my joke victim misses became victim misses MRS haha um I was also delighted when they recreated the photos with their kids um they really committed their passing on their uh their legacy here um so that's a heartwarming story another article that I think is really delightful and also timely um so three days ago was the 18th anniversary of dave matthew's band that mean 800 pounds of septic waste onto a passenger sightseeing boat on the chicago river I don't have a slide for it but I posted about this a lot of other people also posted about it and the page views for this article are like they skyrocketed um yeah um wikipedia's got everything you need there's what 6.5 million english articles now something like that and there is sometimes it feels like there's an article for everything under the sun the potmobile for example um john paul the second requested that the media stop referring to it as the potmobile saying it was undignified the potmobile blah blah blah blah um I'll keep going through these pretty quickly since I don't have time I don't have time for that one um somebody sued god for his quote negligence in allowing a lightning bolt to strike her house god failed to turn up in court which really makes me wonder how omnipresent is that guy but even though this woman won the case it's unclear whether she was able to collect any of her winnings this is the ugliest color in the world um according to a marketing panel and now it's the color of cigarette packages in some places this is the average color of the universe found by a team of astronomers from john's hopkins university the name cosmic latte perhaps speaks to um the researcher's affinity for caffeine i quite love this photo of a wikipedia editor on the internet nobody knows you're a dog and i'm curious to see if i meet any dog editors at wikimania i don't really have time for that one the cat gap has appeared in the fossil record it's you know about 600 or excuse me i can't do math right now 6.5 million years where there are few fossils of cats in north america where did they go maybe they found a little sunny spot by the window um what i what i um think about humor on wikipedia is that obviously wikipedia is not here to be a joke box i would never advocate for vandalism i don't think wikipedia is a place to purposely put in your jokes that said little moments of goofiness occasionally here in there within reason i think they do show people that wikipedia was written by humans and not even that it was written by people just like them um here's a great quote i read in the signpost recently but i'm gonna move on i've been i so i have like what it's about um two million followers at this point and i think they would consider themselves wikipedia enthusiasts but few are wikipedia editors um so it's a fun challenge to think about how i can tap into that base of people who are mostly young people and um get them to try editing so i've done some editathons i've talked more about editing um i'm an editor um i have a discord where there's more um like low stakes conversational ways to talk about editing i've also pointed to the wikipedia discord which is amazing it's great um i'm open to suggestions you many of you probably have projects i have a platform let's work together my emails at the end of the presentation um here's one example of me talking about the people behind wikipedia um i said that i was obsessed with the person who forgot their frozen pizza in the oven for four hours and then took a photo of its charred remains for the article pyrolysis because the image description charmed me a little bit so i'm so sorry to use your slick about your pizza but thanks for the great photo um there's some memes about wikipedia that perhaps will intrigue a non wikipedia this one's from there's no time and i if you know this meme you'll get it if you don't you might not but it's all acronyms and then instead of saying always has been it's wikipedia a hb um people on the internet i think have a lot to say about wikipedia and of course there are some fox news corners where it's very um i don't know critical wikipedia still there's also this massive group of young people who love wikipedia and who love reading wikipedia and who would probably be great editors and so again i've i try to um introduce them to editing i would love your suggestions i would love your help um so that's about it i hope that um i'm good on time and i hope that the rest of your wikimania is just as happy as this um lake of meteoric origin so with that um feel free to email me you can DM me i'm pretty easy to reach on the internet and i hope you have a wonderful rest of your day you can ask questions i believe i can see the chat oh okay what is the most fun non-english article you have come across oh that's a tough one so i'm i speak some spanish but not great but i recently read the article about the song baby to few few which this is a little bit naughty but um but the peruvian president had a scandal where he um sent like he had an affair and there's a song where they set the the exposed texts to music and it went viral and i read that it's it's in the spanish language wikipedia baby to few few um i would love to see more of the chat questions but i think that some of them have scrolled up so um it's fun to see some familiar names though hi dan hi um rebecca if you asked a question before and you're curious maybe send it again because um because i'm not seeing very many otherwise i can call it oh french articles okay so i did recently post about how the french article for crepe defines it as a thin pancake and the english article for pancake defines it as or excuse me the english article crepe defines it as a thin pancake the french article for pancake describes it as a thick crepe and so it's this fun circular situation where it's pancakes and crepes all the way down hi vera somebody just said um that i have more followers than the wikipedia account yeah more on instagram but on twitter we're really close right now i'm not very sure i think the wikipedia account is great for like today they do really good um today in history type posts which i always think are useful and helpful and interesting whoever is in charge of this if you would like to kick me out at anytime you might definitely kick me out but for now i'll keep answering has anyone ever offered to buy my followers all the time i'm i get a lot of um i get a lot of spammers that may or may not be serious that offer to buy it but i will not i will not sell out at least um at least not to somebody like that how do i find interesting articles there are so many well i do quite like editing um but even when you're even when you're editing you don't always find sometimes you can get kind of pigeonholed into one area for a while um i browse quite a bit i really like fun facts in that corner of the internet like on reddit and newsletters um and then at this point there's so many followers that i get dms all the time from very wonderful people who say hey annie you would love this article and then i click on it and i read it and i often post it so that is probably how it goes how much time do i spend going into rabbit holes well in early quarantine when i lost my job much more time um but right now that i'm working more um maybe a few i probably spend like two hours a day on wikipedia when you add up editing and just browsing thanks so much for joining um somebody is saying something about spoken wikipedia on the dutch wikipedia and i would love to check that out because i don't often listen to those recordings baby do a few few does need an english article well to the universal code of conduct enforcement guidelines round table uh my name is sally and my pronouns are she and her and i've had the pleasure of working alongside the enforcement drafting committee for the last little while and i would love to take a moment to introduce you all to your panelists for today um so if we could go through the room and if you could introduce yourself your pronouns and how you were involved with wikipedia and the uc oc could we please start off with ruby and i think we might be having a little bit of technical difficulties with ruby's connection at the moment so we'll just pause there for a second and maybe if we can skip to barkeep if you could introduce yourself and then we'll jump back to ruby sure hi uh i am an editor uh who goes by barkeep or adison Bryant my pronouns are he him uh i primarily edit english wikipedia where i serve as an administrator and i'm currently on the english wikipedia arbitration committee and i am excited to be on the ucc enforcement guidelines uh drafting committee and now the revision committee thank you so much barkeep i'm going to pass it off to mjl next and i think we may have some connection issues with mjl as well ray would you be able to go next sure hello cool i am ray i don't need his name for months uh i am a steward i've been check user on two projects and i also work on the move of communications team i am part of the revisions committee and i was part of the phase two drafting committee as well and i use their name pronouns thank you so much remand we're going to try to jump back to ruby at this moment and perhaps it could just be myself patrick are you able to hear ruby no i think ruby must be having some connections okay and maybe we could try back mjl if you're able to introduce yourself mjl was disconnected and is currently waiting to be let back in yeah it looks like ruby and mjl are having some issues um with connection here so we'll um uh hopefully introduce someone that they're back all righty so sally i could jump in and do my uh short history of ucoc here if you'd like beautiful thanks so much patrick no so gretchen if you don't mind just putting the slides back to uh slide four there so yeah i think that most folks are at least aware of the term ucoc um they've probably um seen it show up in different places but i think there's probably some viewers who haven't heard about the ucoc at all and so um we'd like to just do a quick history of ucoc and then we can go back to our panelists for questions so the origins of ucoc were really um uh from the movement strategy process so we've um uh probably some of you participated in that process maybe but it took place uh 2016 to 2018 um and really talked to wikimediians around the world to try and see what um the programs they'd like to see the movement make in the next um 10 10 to 15 years and one of the recommendations was to create a code of conduct and um uh this specific recommendation was uh create a code of conduct in collaboration with communities to provide a universal baseline of acceptable behavior in the entire movement. Gretchen are you able to um advance the slides for me? Apologies to viewers uh we'll go back a few there Gretchen back again sorry folks there we go thank you very much uh next slide please Gretchen so after that recommendation came out um it was really a matter of sort of trying to talk to communities about what their priorities might be for universal code of conduct um so um 19 different communities took place in some initial conversations in their own languages on their own wikis um talking about what they'd love to see from a code of conduct and what they really didn't want to see from a code of conduct. From there we put together uh the first drafting committee um and uh we had folks from around the movement um from different roles come in and starts um throwing around ideas and creating a first draft. We had the community review that first draft a lot of really really good constructive input um and um the drafting committee was able to make some revisions. From there we asked the board to consider this code of conduct and they were quite happy with it and decided to ratify it and that was last year in 2021. Next slide please Gretchen. I think most of you who have been involved in policies uh either enforcing them or writing them know that a good policy isn't quite enough. You do need to have some guidance for the people using the policy about how it should be enforced and in our movement we have many different conduct policies across our projects um hundreds of different policies. We have very different ways of enforcing policy in our communities um from very large um established systems and large wikipedia to more informal more social systems and some of our smaller wikipedia. So it's important to try and write some guidelines to help our communities mesh together some of those practices in a way that works for the UCMC. Um so many more consultations surveys discussions with communities. We have a second drafting committee come up with um some enforcement guidelines and again we brought a draft in front of the community and the community had a lot of um different feedback on it. The committee then made some more revisions and um we had a full community vote on the guidelines. Next slide please. So we had a fairly good participation in the vote it was about 56 57 percent people supporting uh about 40 percent 41 percent of people opposing. The vote also allowed people to uh give some comments about what they liked or didn't like about these enforcement guidelines. So after reviewing these comments and the vote the board of trustees um saw that there were some areas of concern in these enforcement guidelines. So they asked a revisions committee to be put in place to hopefully make some changes and improvements to these areas of concern. Next slide please Gretchen. So here's a timeline that we're in the middle of right now. The revisions committee is working on some areas of the guidelines to try and make some changes and some improvements. There's also been a readability and translatability review of the document that was one of the feedback pieces of feedback that the committee got. I'm just going to outline some areas specific areas that the committee has been looking at. One aspect is training around the UCFC. How it should work, who should provide it, whether it should be mandatory or not for certain groups. These are concerns the committee members had. Next slide please. Another one was trying to make sure that people are aware of the policy and how they should sort of agree to it. And so this is called affirmation and so the committee is looking at some of the challenges around affirmation. Right now we don't have sort of formal acceptance of policies or movements and so with the exception of the terms of use of course. And so the committee is trying to navigate some ways to increase awareness of the UCFC without making it a device of issue. Next slide please. Another area is when cases are reported about violations or potential violations of the UCFC. It's quite difficult to strike a balance between protecting the confidentiality of a person who's making a report and keeping the person who has been reported informed or let them know about what's happening with the process. So the revisionist committee is really spending some time trying to figure out that aspect in a way that works within our movements within the limitations of a volunteer system but also provides some fairness in the process. Next slide please. So the revisionist committee is hard at work right now and they will be presenting their new revisions to the enforcement guidelines in September and so we'll definitely be letting everyone know about that review in the beginning of September and we'd love to have folks drop by give their opinions on some of the changes. The committee will be again going back to incorporate feedback they get from this process so we'd love to hear whether people like the changes, don't like the changes or would like to see something different and so we'd love to see you all in September but I'm going to stop taking up all the time of the committee here and I'm going to give things back to Sally to open things up for questions. So I see a lot of folks in the chat. Please drop your questions in there. We'll get them in the queue. We've got a few pre-submitted questions we're going to start with but yeah we'd love to see any questions you have in the queue and we'll get them into the mix here. Sorry Ruby has indicated that she's trying to get back in and so I don't know if there's someone technically who can help her rejoin the room. Very good Gretchen will hopefully help Ruby get in. But I'll give things back over to Sally. Awesome thank you so much Patrick. We'll get started with some of the questions here and as folks join us we'll be sure to let them introduce themselves. We have Ruby back. Ruby can you hear me? Yes I can hear you. Awesome would you be able to introduce yourself in a quick 30 seconds perhaps? Yeah my name is Ruby Dameshi Brown so I'm from Ghana. My pronouns are she and her. I'm part of the Open Foundation West Africa Community and I'm happy to be so lucky with attracting all the enforcement guidelines. Thank you so much. Thank you so much Ruby and we'll get started. We'll jump into our questions and MJ we will give you a chance to introduce yourself when we get to you and one of the first questions is what are some interesting things you have learned about policy enforcement in which media communities as part of working on the committee and I'd love to start off by hearing what you think is that Ruby? And beyond all that from across the world, athletes, girls, girls. This is not to clarify, we have seen a lot of what we have in Canterbury, if people appreciate the change, what happens if this person doesn't like the change, so we are going to exchange our opinions at least from now on. It's not enough to have a universal code of conduct, we need an enforcement guidelines, which is what I've been part of this community helping to draft this enforcement guidelines. Being a member of this community, I've learned so much and I see why it's relevant for us to have such an universal code of conduct that all of us can make use of. One interesting thing about this policy is the fact that the community itself is made up of different representative of people and that includes WMS staff, volunteers from different regions and individuals from minority groups bringing that kind of diversity of views and perspective when we're deliberating on issues and that is the whole period of this community because we have that kind of diversified understanding in dealing with some of these issues or helping to understand and digest some of these community feedbacks that we get whenever we reach out for community. This makes the policy very intriguing and helps us to deliberate and examine issues from different perspectives. Another interesting thing that I think I've learned from this policy was that we didn't do it in isolation of the community itself. We, from every stage of drafting, we engage the community, we digest their feedback and we see how we are able to incorporate these feedbacks into drafting this policy. This is one of the things, these are some of the things that intrigue me about being a member of this community. Thank you so much, Ruby, and yes, I really hear what you're saying about the diverse opinions being brought towards not only from the community but also the members of the committee. Thank you so much for sharing some of those insights there. Barkeep, I would love to hear some of your thoughts to that question and please let me know if you'd like me to repeat it. No, that's quite all right. You know, I think something that I'm not sure I would say I have learned because I knew it but I've learned a lot of the specifics of just how, both how similar enforcement is in a lot of ways across the movement that a lot of policy is very similar. There might be small differences in details across the movement but policy itself and guidelines and how we kind of handle the UCOC is largely the same. There are some notable differences in that but pretty similar. But even with kind of similar wording, the way communities actually implement and practice that can be fairly different. So that they at least a fairly different outcomes and so that has been an interesting piece to me. And I would say kind of learning, I did not know much about how affiliates have handled kind of their UCOC type enforcement pieces and so that has been a really interesting piece for me to learn through this process because we do have, at least we have a couple of people, Ruby and another member who are both members of affiliates and speak to that experience. Thank you Barkeep. And would also love to hear from MJL if you're, are you connected at the moment? I believe so. Awesome. Would you also be able to quickly introduce yourself before we jump into your answer? Yes, my name is MJL, pronouns they, them. I am a editor on English Wikipedia and I do YouTube as well on the side. And Sally, could you please repeat the question for me because it's been a while since. I want to make sure I answer it right. Of course. What are some interesting things you have learned about policy enforcement in Wikimedia communities as a part of working on the committee? I definitely have learned that I, going into it, I understood that everybody has different opinions about policy enforcement. And then, but being on the committee, I learned that people really have different opinions about policy enforcement. Which I learned that it's been a very interesting hearing the community's perspective on a lot of different things. So I, that's definitely been probably the most interesting because I thought I understood the community's position on policy enforcement pretty well, but honestly, no, and it's been a humbling experience. Thank you, MJL for sharing your, your insights there. We're going to jump into our second question, which is what kinds of changes have you been working on during the revision process? And I'd love to start off by hearing some of your experiences there, Vermont. Sure. Yeah, so we had, as many will remember that vote and the rather large consultation period and a lot of feedback that we have. Basically, all of the changes we've been making has been towards the areas that were highlighted by community discussion in those, in the consultation period and working to address concerns and also to update the document with other plans that we had. It was not a finished document. It was a draft. And that includes, as I think people have asked about in the comments here, the information on affirmation and training. We put a lot of effort into those weeks of just talking about affirmation and training and making sure that we get it right. Yeah. Thank you, Vermont. And Berkey, do you have some thoughts to add on that? What are some of the changes you have been working on during the revision process? Yeah. For me, I think, you know, Rosie's email was a, or Rosie's statement was a great kind of charge for us. And I would, I really appreciated the board saying, we appreciate that 58% of the suspense like this, but, but we really hear the concerns of that other, 41, 42% and want to see if we can't do better. And so I think there have been some easy fixes such as around training where I mean, we had some changes to make. But, you know, they were fairly easy for us to hammer out. I think that we have had some more difficult pieces such as balancing the rights of people who are being harassed with the kind of more general right to understand what someone, what you're being accused of. And so, right, so that is a tricky piece. And so, so I would say that's there, something that we have started to do, but I think we have a lot more work to do. And so, and looking forward to community feedback to help us do this is I think kind of in the organizational part and on making it easier to read and easier to translate. I think, and just easier to understand because we saw during the initial feedback that committee members had one understanding, but a very, but of certain pieces of texts, but that the community fairly consistently read something in a different light. And so I think we have some more opportunities to to fix those areas as we kind of get some community feedback and and continue our work after in the kind of second phase of the revisions. Thank you, Barkeep and really appreciate that insight about what you've been working on in this revision process. Ruby, do you have some some other perspective to add? I think he said it all. I think basically what what we've been doing is trying to fix some of these issues, fixing the wording, making sure that phrases like the sentences have that clarity in it. So basically, these are some other things and how we're incorporating community feedback into the text that we dropped in. Yeah, thank you. Thanks, folks. We're going to jump to a question from the audience here. And we can maybe start off with MJL. The question is, beside the board's decision, what are some things that you personally or the community committee felt needed to improve? I definitely thought the training aspect, the training and the affirmations were probably going into it. I understood could have been a lot better and a lot more had a lot more improvements. So I was honestly kind of excited when the board made that statement because I was like, okay, I'm I'm really glad we can tackle this again because we got we had a lot of good feedback about that. And it was definitely clear that the committee's intentions, which were one thing versus what we ended up releasing didn't exactly like line up. And so having the ability to actually make it more clear to our original vision was something I was really excited about. Thanks so much. And would love to also hear from Vermont. And please let me know if you'd like me to repeat the question. Sure. Yeah, there's a lot that we have worked on improving. And unfortunately, one of the things about doing a big community consultation about 15 page document is that there are areas of the document that need improvement that don't get much attention because people are only focused on the big stuff, like affirmation training and right to be heard. We have done a lot of other changes we've fixed wording we clarified things we have. What else is there. We've talked about like how we handle different types of cases how existing enforcement structures handle them and how we want to write a recommendations in line with that. Yeah. Thank you folks. Okay, we'll jump back into some of these questions here. What are some differences in community practices between different projects that you have observed. I would love to start off with bar keeping here your thoughts on that. I think that different communities have pretty different levels of, so I think different communities have different levels of kind of community involvement and enforcement. And so, you know, some of our larger wikis will have multiple places that enforcement will happen, where some of our wikis have an arbitration committee that our NGO I think you're, you might want to mute there. Some of our committees have arbitration committees as I indicated, but even arbitration committees can have, can have different roles there. And then, you know, I think the tolerance for our ability to have kind of private complaints is also a major difference that I see across the movement and I'll kind of stop there. Thank you. Apologies for that burkeep. I think we missed the the last part with some feedback there. Are you able to just mention the last part that you were speaking to the the private, the ability to kind of hear complaints privately at any level, you know, and how much ability and or community policy support there is for kind of private complaints is something that is very different across our movements. Awesome. Thank you. We're going to jump into another question from the audience, which is, how does the committee mitigate possible Anglo centrism in the worldview and process. For example, today's expectation for everybody to state their pronouns is incredibly Anglo centric also posted on movement strategy.org would love to start off by hearing your thoughts on that Ruby. This is the way he had one. Can someone take take the lead. For sure. Is there a barkeep would you be able to answer some of this question. I mean, I am quite sympathetic to the complaints here, right, that we have three of our four panel members here are are in the United States. And so, you know, that is certainly a concern. We do have members from other continents. We have three sides Ruby. There we do have people that are that are living working part of communities that are outside of the Anglo world. We have also been reaching out to, you know, groups with inside the Wikimedia Foundation as the Wikimedia Foundation has really kind of expanded their their workforce to make sure that it is not so Anglo centric to get some feedback on that. You know, in terms of the pronouns that is tricky right because I would say the first phase had, I would say the enforcement has been slightly has had a slightly as a percentage has had slightly more Anglo centric contributors. The first phase where like things like where a lot of the kind of gender and pronoun pieces came out did kind of come out of that piece. And so I think that is an interesting part and something for the movement to continue to talk about. And I hope there's a really robust discussion about that when we kind of reach the, let's take a look at the UCOC as a whole and see what revisions need to be made, which the board has indicated. I think there's definitely a lot of work that can be done and I'm hopeful that after we see the UCOC in action for a little bit, we will be able to evaluate that and see what parts are working and which parts need to be adjusted to be more culturally sensitive for the entire movement. Thank you for keeping would also look to hear from Patrick on this question. Hi, yeah, I guess I didn't even introduce myself at the beginning of this I'm really sorry for my name is Patrick early. I'm a lead project manager, sorry, policy manager with the trust and safety team and I've been working closely with the UCOC for a while. But I do want to mention that this is definitely one of the concerns that the board of trustees pointed out is that, you know, it's not just sort of this specific area of pronouns and gender, but that the whole documents for the enforcement guidelines was difficult to translate into some languages that have some idioms and some structures that did not translate very well, and readability in general could be improved as well and I don't want to criticize our committee members. When I say this, but you know, it is hard to write a document that is universally translated, translatable, perhaps, you know, almost impossible, but we have been trying to support the committee in having some of our more experienced translators at the foundation. Take a look at the documents and review it. We also have folks with academic experience and education on the general concept of translatability. Take a look at documents and make some suggestions. So it's, yeah, it's a difficult one. I mean, I think to get a document that is, you know, universal as in the title of the universal code of conduct is a challenge and probably an aspirational goal, but we have to try to get close to us. And sorry if I've insulted committee members by saying their work was not readable. It was definitely readable, but it could see some improvements. Thank you, Patrick. And we're going to answer another question from the audience. It is, how are small wiki projects represented in taking decisions in the UCOC? Vermont, are you able to start us off with that question? Sorry, what was that question? How are small wiki projects represented in taking decisions in the UCOC? In taking decisions. Well, the difficulty here is that this is, we are writing, or rather rewriting, the enforcement guidelines for the universal code of conduct. This is the revisionist committee. We have not written the universal code of conduct. We have written the enforcement guidelines. One of the things that we have definitely focused on is how can we best integrate the benefits of the UCOC with existing enforcement structures. So like how do we create a functional document without accidentally destroying the way that projects do things? And what we have is people from a bunch of different language projects. We have someone from the affiliations committee. We have someone from ARBCOM. We have me. I'm a steward. We have someone who's a bunch of people who have these very varied experiences. Yes, we have three people in the U.S., but all of them have very different histories and enforcement processes and very different understandings of them. We don't have any small wiki admins, but we do have people who are familiar with both small and large wiki processes. We've been able to, I believe it is a document that supports them without disturbing the way they engage with their workflows. Thank you. Appreciate your perspective on that one. And we'll head back into the questions here. In what was the most difficult topic area you faced when working on the guidelines? And we'd love to hear from all of the panelists on this question. What was the most difficult topic area you faced when working on the guidelines? Ruby, can we start with you? Sure. This is very interesting. I mean, we had difficult instances where we dealt with it. But one of the most difficult faces that I think for me we felt was when we're dealing with some real cases and seeing how these cases will be dealt with in real life. And deliberating on these cases, some of the thoughts that came into mind was how can we ensure that third party reporters or victims are protected while reporting cases, especially when the case has a potential of putting people at risk when reported or putting the victim at risk. Also, how do we deal with a third person reporting a case when the parties involved do not see anything wrong with what they're doing? For instance, we have two individuals on Weki abusing themselves or using abusive words, throwing some charts on their top pages and all that. And these two individuals don't see anything wrong with all the choice of words that they're using. And this is a case, and this case is reported by a third party who sees everything wrong with it. So dealing with this issue, it becomes very complex and very cumbersome because, I mean, the Weki space is made up of different communities. What might look like an insult to one community can be a greeting for another community. So how do we even differentiate that? So dealing with some of these cases or drafting guidelines for some of these cases becomes very complex. And another instance is how to deal with vandals. Of course, there are many things that we cannot avoid. How do we stop people from vandalizing or abusing this reporting opportunity that we've made for community members? We also want to ensure that staff and volunteer time are not wasted in handling things that are not even real in the first place. So this is also some of the difficulties that we foresee. And these cases may look very simple when dealing with or maybe when you read about it, it looks very simple, but when you bring it into real life, like practically how, what steps are we going to deal? What step are we going to take in dealing with this issue? We realize the complexity of it. So this is like some of the things that are identified as kind of like a very tricky and difficult area. Thank you, Ruby. I really appreciate you bringing contextually how every case can definitely look different in different parts of the world. Thank you so much. We would love to hear from all the panelists on this question. MJL, what was the most difficult part or sorry, difficult topic area you faced when working on the guidelines? The right to be heard definitely for me was that was a lot of difficult stuff because I felt like the community was asking us to solve some problems that were extremely complicated and that the community itself didn't have answers to. So I was more than happy to receive feedback about it. I, you know, we're still ironing out a lot of the kinks with the right to be heard. I can't, it's definitely dwarfed anything else that we've worked on even during the first go round of drafting. I can't, because we, I know we had a lot of contentious things that we had to work out in the first round, but this, the revisions committee with the right to be heard is definitely, it's definitely been a very, very, very, very complicated process and contagious. Thank you. And we'll go next, Vermont and then Barkeep. Vermont, what was the most difficult topic area you faced when working on the guidelines? Honestly, this would be the training bit. We put a lot of effort into training. There was a lot of discussion over, let's get ready for this. We had a lot of talks about the specific content that we wanted involved in training and the level of specificity we wanted to give to that content. Because at the same time, we're kind of rebuilding the use, the eu4c policy and how the eu4c building committee is going to look, and they're going to be the ones who actually make the training. And there were a lot of discussions over, okay, what is the training for? Are we doing levels? Are we doing modules? Who are we recommending take which trainings? It was all really helpful. So, yeah. Thank you, Vermont and Barkeep. We'd love to hear your thoughts. I mean, I think MJL is correct that the balancing of rights has been, is one of the trickiest things. But for me, my answers would go back to the phase one pieces. I think the two pieces that I would like to identify that have been hardest for me were, first, kind of making sure that enforcement processes that are happening across the movement are for universal code of conduct, like behavior, even if it wasn't labeled, use of enforcement, right? A lot of projects are already actively enforcing these areas. And let's make sure that nothing we do will stop that work from happening, right? We are not going to undermine local processes. And this goes back to the question of how do we counter Anglo-centrism? We need if, right, so an important principle that one of our members introduced was the kind of, I'm going to, I can't remember the English phrase and she talks about it in French. But it's basically the idea that enforcement should happen at the most local level possible in most circumstances. And so kind of respecting that idea and making sure that that played out throughout the document was super hard. And then I would say everything around the universal code of conduct coordinating committee, commonly known as the U4C, was incredibly hard. And it was so hard that essentially towards the end of the process, the committee threw up its hands and said this is so hard that we need to have a whole separate group that is going to do this themselves after we're done with our work. And I think that reflects just how hard and complicated and involved that what is going to be. Thanks, Barkeep. We're going to pass it off to another audience question here. And perhaps we could start with MJL and it is, in what areas do you or committee think community input is lacking? That's an interesting question. I think a lot of, I think I actually don't know because it's been in general like most of, I would have loved to see more community input on pretty much everything. Like that's for me, it's like I would have, I feel like it's been a very, the community has been very disengaged with the process despite it probably being one of the more important things happening in the Wikimedia movement at the moment. There's definitely, from the technical code of conduct and that in their committee, I would have loved to see more media wiki developers, you know, weigh in. That's definitely, I feel like we haven't gotten a lot of feedback on how the technical code of conduct is going to interface with the UCOC. And I feel like that's probably one the, I would love to see more, you know, feedback from folks covered by that. Thank you. And would love to open that space up to other folks on who are panelists here. In what areas do you or committee think community input is lacking? Are there any other thoughts? Please feel free to speak openly right now and I can then move on to another question after. Yes, Barkley, please. Yeah, I have a thought. I think it's a really hard piece because I think we have, we want to provide lots of opportunities for community feedback, but I am hearing from multiple communities that they are feeling burned out from the amount of the amount of feedback. And so I think we're just having to walk a tough line because we genuinely want community feedback. But we also want to respect that people are feeling like, boy, haven't I already done that? And I think especially that, you know, there were lots of people who were talking about the needs of their, the need to kind of balance rights between people in the first phase and it didn't, and that feedback wasn't listened to until it kind of came out through the comments of the ratification process. I mean, it was listened to that's not quite fair, but it wasn't, it wasn't acted on in a way that really felt good until, until the board statement. And so just kind of want to recognize that complexity for the community there. Thank you, Barkeep. Were there any last panelists that would like to speak to that question before we move on? Awesome. Thank you so much. So I do see that we are nearing time here and would love to pass it back to Patrick to, yeah, pass it back to Patrick. Yeah, I'll just close out, but I think I just got a message from Vermont who actually had something to add on the Anglo-centric aspect. Vermont, do you want to hop in and just make a comment there? Sure. Yeah, unfortunately, I don't think either I'm jail or I had the opportunity to respond to the Anglo-centric and pronouns related comment. I understand there is a large issue with Anglosentrism and the way that we have formed a lot of people based in the US. We do have a lot of people who are not based in the US, but the issue stands there is a balance to be made in every foundation related committee between experiential diversity and geographic diversity. I feel like we have definitely hit the experiential aspect, but we have not exactly hit the geographic aspect. What I will also say is that the idea that respecting people's pronouns and how they want other people to refer to them is Anglosentric. That idea is patently unacceptable in the Wikimedia movement and not something that I'm going to address seriously, because we have very clear history of maintaining a degree of tolerance and acceptance of other people's identities, independent of people's traditional cultural beliefs. On Wikimedia projects, you have the right to be respected for how you want other people to refer to you as. Thanks for that, Vermont. It's definitely an issue that is something that our communities are struggling with as well. I'm glad that we have a committee that is willing to tackle that issue. It is incredibly difficult. I'm going to close out our presentation today. I want to really thank Ruby, MJL, Barkeep and Vermont for joining today. They've put in tremendous amounts of work with their other fellow committee members, and to do this presentation was something extra, but they thought it was quite important and I agree it is important to help Wikimedia attendees understand where we are with the process. We saw a question earlier on about how can I give some feedback on these upcoming revisions. I just want to remind folks that we are having a community review of the revisions in the month of September. We have tentatively put September 7th as the opening date. Just be aware we might have to shift that, but it looks like we should be good to go on September 7th. We will be working with our movement strategy and governance team to make sure that we get as much messaging out about that consultation as possible, so that everyone knows how to take part. Again, if you have something that you really think you want on the table, there's many ways to reach out to the team, but we'll definitely communicate through on Wiki, social media, the new movement strategy forum as well. We'll do as much as we can to make sure that everyone has both the information they need to take part, but the ability to take part in different ways. We're hoping to have some conversation hours so people can take part verbally, as well as on Wiki consultations and gathering information through other channels. We're trying to make this as accessible as possible. I see my little counter is getting down to 15 seconds. Again, I just want to thank all of our Wikimedia attendees for coming. It's been a dry topic, but we saw some great engagement and great ideas and great questions. I'll just wish everyone happy Thursday. I believe this is one of the last sessions of the day, so if you're tired, get off the computer, go for a walk. Have a wonderful day.