 1120 12 common council and as is customary our city clerk Sue Richards will read her quote of the evening Thank You mayor There's a true test of a person's maturity level and a true test of the confidence that they have within themselves Thank You sue roll call please Here for an ear Carlson here Decker here common excused Hammond here Heidemann here cut here Kittleson here Manichuk here Racler here Samson here Van Akron here Vanderweel here and Percy here for Tina we have a quorum now if we can all join older person Kittleson in the pledge of Allegiance I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands One nation under God Indivisible with liberty and justice for all Thank You gene Looking for approval of the minutes of the prior common council meeting President Decker Thank You mr. Mayor I move to approve the minutes from the previous council We have a motion and a second to approve the previous minutes under discussion There's no discussion all in favor say aye. Aye opposed motion carries resignations attorney McLean Yes, email from former Alderperson Rindfleisch to the city clerk On October 12th advising that he was resigning his aldermanic position effective October 14th because he Starting today, I guess serving as administrator clerk treasurer in the village of Edgar, Wisconsin And he'd be ineligible for the office of Alderperson as he will no longer be a resident here Thank you attorney McLean, and I'd like to thank former Alderman Rindfleisch for his many years of service to the city and wish him the best in his future endeavors Pursuing the his chosen field of study, so I'm sure we all appreciate his service Any further resignations? We need a motion to accept president Decker thank you mr. Mayor I move that the resignation be accepted in place on file second We have a motion to ends a second to accept and place on file under discussion There's no discussion all in favor say aye. Aye opposed motion carries Public forum soon. Hmm. Excuse me. Thank you first this evening. We have milkstorm Can you get in there? Can I have your home address? Please no. Yes, it's 1736 Marvin court And that's in Sheboygan And you will have five minutes sir Thank you. I want to thank mayor Ryan for this opportunity to again speak to the common counsel I have the gut feeling that some citizen may be offended by my using up valuable time at these public forums my concern is in regard to the threatening and vicious Communications that I have received and also the mayor the mayor Ryan this past week through the mail I've been reviewing these types of letters when the former on receiving these types of letters when the former Honorable mayor one per res was elected. I am not a lawyer Although I studied law My identical twin brother has two sons who are attorneys and practice law in DuPage County, Illinois After I spoke on Monday's council meeting two weeks ago. I again received a vicious threatening letter through the mail This is about the fourth one that I have received thus far. So now I am moving into action in the county clerk's office There is five law books on a table in volume five of the Wisconsin statue page 781 I found a certain a section on disorderly conduct. So I've titled it as this my thesis as disorderly conduct versus point of order It states the disorderly conduct does not necessarily require disruption that implicates the public Directly the section encompass conduct that tends to come cause a disturbance or disruption that is personal or private in nature As long as there exists the real possibility that the disruption will spill over and disrupt the peace order and safety of the surrounding community sending repeated unwelcome and anonymous as letters and presented Can't even read my own writing and possibly our mailings that are considered disorderly conduct and are punishable by law So is it the mayor to blame for his conduct a personal time or is it Patrick Gillette Mary Joel title? Recall wannabes capable of the shabuigan and culpability of the shabuigan pest and its editorial page of lies and indians as It is my speaking at public forum I did inform Alderman Bursi of some of the threatening letters that I have gotten And I may implicate and I don't really speculate but I think I have good evidence that it involves the mayor former mayor his sons previous older persons not on this council man, and I may implicate others I Am the mayor that I have oh, I'm asking the mayor that if I can read a letter that I received from my brother in law It's entitled God loves a drunk people too You know my okay? God loves drunk people too a man and his wife were awakened at 3 a.m. By a loud pounding on the door the man gets up and goes to the door where a drunken stranger standing in the pouring rain Is asking for a push? Not a chance as the husband. It's 3 in the morning. He slams the door and returns to bed Who was that his asked his wife just some drunk guy asking for a push he answered did you help him? She asked no, I did not it is 3 in the morning and it's pouring rain out there Well, you sure have a short memory. He says his wife. Can't you remember about three months ago? We broke down and those two guys helped us. I think you should help him and you should be ashamed of yourself God loves drunk people too The man does as he is told gets dressed and goes out into pounding rain. He calls out in the dark. Hello Are you still out there? Yes? Comes back the answer. Do you still need to push calls out the husband? Yes, please comes the reply from the dark Where are you asked the husband over here on the swing said he says I Just met and spoke to Adam Payne this past week as I attended the finance committee meeting at the county board And he asked me if I was speaking on the wellness program So he must be listening so if mr. Payne is listening this is for him and his request It is the wellness of your spirit in your soul that determines the wellness of your mind And it's reasoning and it's thinking and it may even improve the wellness of the strength and health of your body Thank you again for listening Thank you Milton. It's my goal to always stay off a swing sets at 3 a.m. Next Joanne Scribner, please and Joanne can I have your home address three Seneca Trail? Okay, and you will have five minutes First of all, thank you mayor Ryan and Schwenken Common Council for the opportunity to speak to you again tonight First of all, I'd like to read from the United States Constitution the 18th amendment After one year From a ratification of this article the manufacture sale or Transportation of intoxicating liquors within the importation thereof into or the Exportation thereof from the United States and all territory subject to the jurisdiction thereof for beverage purposes is hereby prohibited That 18th amendment was ratified January 16th 1919 It was then repealed by the 21st amendment on December 5th 1933 that amendment reads The 18th article of amendment to the Constitution of the United States is hereby repealed I Believe it is time for the 21st amendment to be repealed and For the 18th amendment to again be in place. Yes, I believe in prohibition Why you may ask there are many good reasons to prohibit the use manufacture sale and Transportation importation and exportation of intoxicating liquors in our country our state and in our city of Sheboygan, Wisconsin No more highway deaths or city street deaths caused by drivers who are drinking too much alcohol No more bar fights No more people are being killed in bar fights as in Plymouth Racers Hall No more alcohol to fuel these arguments and bar fights Not as many diseases that are caused by the intake of alcohol Not as many people ending up in divorced court Because of too much alcohol use By one spouse or the other or both Not as many underage drinkers getting arrested at underage drinking parties or being killed in car accidents because of alcohol use Not as many physically verbally and emotionally abused children or wives or husbands because of alcohol use The money spent on alcohol could go to much better purposes like paying the rent or the mortgage or For groceries and clothes or for college education or for church and charity work Darrell gum in his letter to the editor in the Fed in the Friday August 5th, 2011 Sheboygan Press His is his letter was titled we live in an alcohol enabling culture how true Every football game baseball game golf game auto-race soccer game, etc. On TV Always has to be sponsored by some beer commercial. I think it is time for the beer and alcohol commercials To be banned from TV as the cigarette commercials were in the past It could happen And I hope it does Every 21 year old feels it is a rite of passage to become an adult by drinking beer or alcohol Some kids think it is cool to drink alcohol Start thinking cold Like a cold dead body on a cold slab in a cold morgue Here's what God says about alcohol in his word in Proverbs chapter 20 Verses 19 through 21 God says I have the right ones here Proverbs 20 verse 1. I'm sorry Proverbs 20 verse 1 Wine is a mocker and beer a brawler Whoever is led astray by them is not wise and then Proverbs 23 verses 19 through 21 Listen my son and be wise and keep your heart on the right path Do not join those who drink too much wine or gorge themselves on meat for drunkards and gluttons become poor and Drowsiness clothes them in rags and verses 29 through 35 Who has woe who has sorrow who has strife who has complaints who has Needless roses would you like your additional minute? Yes Who has needless bruises who has bloodshot eyes those who linger over wine who go to sample bowls of mixed wine Do not gaze at wine when it when it is red when it sparkles in the cup when it goes down smoothly in the end It bites like a snake and poisons like a viper your eyes will see strange sights in your mind imagine confusing things You will be like one sleeping on the high seas lying on top of the rigging. They hit me You will say but I'm not hurt they beat me, but I don't feel it when will I wake up so I can find another drink? So for someone to want to have a retail alcohol store at the former Aurora pharmacy on South 12th and Wilson Right next to the South High and the early learning Center is In my opinion a very very bad idea Thank you very much. Thank you, Joanne Thank you, Joanne next that would be it Okay, that is all for public forum Now we have our tourism presentation presented by Amy Wilson and George Tuig of the Chamber Department of Tourism sponsored by the city Amy and George The the packets that you have follow this every slide is in it. So if you can't see this just follow along in the packet What we're going to review today. The first part of this will be a little bit of Recap for you some of the numbers for May which still stand then we'll kind of go into the 2012 budget and then talk a little bit about the campaigns that we've been using throughout 2012 and the reasons why we plan to use or not use some of them next year We started me All right So in 2010 if you remember Sheboygan County maintained its ninth position ranked in tourism Destination in the state and its fourth position among the counties along the lake shore of Lake Michigan And this is just a recap you can see our ninth position in the state in the red We had the highest increase year-over-year from 2009 these numbers were just released in May by the way in May 2011 We don't get them till the next year So we had the highest increase in the top nine counties in the state You can see just as a recap all of these counties in yellow offer gaming So we're holding very well next to the gaming counties in position, too And among the counties along the lake shore Sheboygan ranks number four again We had the highest increase over 2009 of all of the counties up and down the lake shore including Brown County and In 2010 the county gained half a market share point with an increase of almost 17 million in traveler expenditures So you can see the state total of tourism traveler expenditures is 12.3 billion The average among each county in the state is a hundred and seventy million One market share point statewide is worth a hundred and twenty three million Along the I-43 counties Though all of those counties including Brown County Capture three point four billion or twenty eight percent of the state's total in traveler expenditures Those counties the average of just the counties along the lake shore because they travel so much of the total Average about three hundred and eighty eight million. We were at about two hundred ninety four And one market share point there is worth almost thirty five million over 34.9 million and we captured almost 17 million so about half a market share point in 2010 In August 2011 Sheboygan tourism surveyed the performance of five of Sheboygan's tap performing hotels and Some of here's the key results are between January 1st and July 10th We did do the survey after the Fourth of July weekend So that's why these numbers cut off right after our the peak of our mid-season January 1st through July 10th hold the hotels collectively realized a three percent increase in occupancy over last year Between May 27th and July 10th May 27th being Memorial Day weekend The hotels collectively experienced a four percent decrease in occupancy over last year and we'll talk about why as we move through January 1st through September the hotels are projecting a two percent increase over the same period last year and A say a two percent increase over the same period last year through December So the key findings that we learned from the hotels is that corporate and group bookings are down Leisure travel is on the rise and it's continuing to grow Room rates are reported to be flat or up over last year Average daily rate is up slightly and the findings are right in line with the research commissioned by the Wisconsin State Department of Tourism So these findings follow a statewide trend and actually they follow a nationwide trend right now So conclusions are that between May 27th through July 10th. We went back and looked why that decrease well The wet weather records indicated that 24 out of 45 days or 53 percent of that time coming into the very beginning of our peak season It rained 53 percent of the time so charter fishing was down coming in a spring Everyone remembers the gray wet colder spring that really has an effect on hotel stays and activities in the county A more robust increase in leisure business will simultaneously make up for a decrease in corporate stays and as higher seasonal rates Kick in ADR will ultimately reach a net gain resulting in an overall increase in room tax collected And that's exactly what happened corporate and group rates tend to be higher or lower I'm sorry lower room rates, but with more rooms per year and when that business goes down Once higher leisure room rates kick in it helps make up that that decrease and that's what we saw So we do know that the increase in leisure travel really helped with those down periods So in 2011 the city of Sheboygan realized a 14 percent increase in room tax collected in calendar quarter one and a 10 percent increase in room tax collected in calendar quarter two In calendar quarter three the city of Sheboygan is projected to realize as much as a 12 percent increase and We're projected to remain flat through calendar quarter four of course through the winter months So historically Sheboygan has captured about 70 percent of its total room tax during quarters two and three And these are calendar quarters two and three or the months of April through September However consumer behavior is changing With the largest increase in travel occurring in tourism quarter for Marketing initiatives will mainly target the months of April through October now You can see the quarters over here December through February the coldest least traveled winter months our tourism quarter one But that correlates more to a calendar or budget quarter four So this can get a little bit confusing But the best way to know is that our season doesn't really kick in until about spring break And then we see a little lull kicks in really starting Memorial Day depending on weather and then as we can see Our tourism quarter four, which is September through November that shoulder season had the highest increase of the whole year It's a stronger shoulder season than the spring months So statewide leisure traveler expenditures are increasing and annually 71% of travelers do so for pleasure 18% do so for business and 11% travel for meetings and conventions And this is the most recent data and it is right in line with our other research in real-time feedback that we're getting So we again group and corporate travel is down leisure travels up So we're focusing on leisure travelers, which is where the Tourism initiatives put most of their marketing dollars almost all of them actually so what are they spending their money on when they come here? This is a little bit difficult to see But on the on the slide, but I believe it's in blue. Yeah in blue the items on your in blue Which is oh, I can't even see it on here. Let me flip to that page. Can you see it? Let's see it's this is actually pretty interesting because This is completely different than what we've seen last year as the economy starts to recover So Consumers are spending more on food recreation historic experiences sightseeing and event fees They're spending less on shopping sports fees evening entertainment and wagering So what this tells us is this actually Sheboygan is positioned very well with the new activities that are trending because people are spending more money on activities that they can actually engage in themselves Rather than paying to have that experience come back at them like a sporting event or what might be considered a Luxury entertainment like wagering So bike trails outdoor our waterfront all of those are right in line with this research. So we're well positioned right now The number one key to Sheboygan's tourism marketing strategy is of course its budget Spending that smartly and according to research commissioned by the Wisconsin State Department of Tourism Funds allocated to tourism marketing have a seven-to-one return on investment So where do we get that money? Well, we get most of it from room tax room tax is collected from overnight visitors Staying in a lodging property. So remember the tourists that comes here and stays in a hotel is actually the person paying the room tax proper use of room tax dollars Includes and this is according to the Wisconsin State room tax statute Marketing advertising and public relations initiatives to attract overnight stays to the area Funding's wages and salaries for official tourism entity staff whose primary focus is tourism marketing and Providing infrastructure necessary to attract and service overnight visitors. This is the proper use of 100% room tax obviously the 70% of room tax funded by the city of Sheboygan that comes to our department is concentrated on the top, too and Down here is this is would an example would be of of course our blue Harbor Conference Center So now what the room tax statute also recommends as improper use of room tax are such things as local parades fireworks concerts and events Economic development fund that's primarily promoting local industrial and corporate development Infrastructure projects primarily used for local residents rather than tourists Main Street historical or other organizations or events primarily serving local businesses and residents other than attracting tourists to such things and school universities, charitable or organizations or Scholarships also area guides that do not primarily promote tourism or any marketing collateral really that doesn't primarily promote tourism So now we know how the budgets gathered. This is what it looks like now One of since we don't use any of the room tax dollars towards events We raise separate funds to run local events and pay for fireworks and all of those things what you're going to see here Are just room tax allocations and of course as you can see over the three years trending 2010 11 and projected for 12 the city of Sheboygan consistently runs about 86% of that contribution and The tourism budget and this is just room tax dollars and government funding is basically split into two large chunks There's the administrative costs and the overhead of running it and then there's what we spend the dollars on for advertising marketing PR and promotion So you can see between 2010 and 2011 funds allocated toward advertising and marketing increased 69% and administrative costs increased 10% and this was a budget adjustment as a result of the first marketing plan and Then between 2011 and 2012 Room tax dollars allocated toward advertising and marketing will increase another 16% and some of that is because we're projecting increases So we're trying to put a lot of the increase that we're projecting toward right back into the investment of marketing and administrative costs increased 28% and of course between 10 and 11 or 11 and 12 This is after all of the adjustments are made in the allocations of Re-embedding tourism into the chamber getting a good grasp on an overhead equation and what those real costs are going to be The ratio of fluctuations as of 11th or as of 2012 Should level off about right where they are as the full range of services and infrastructure are now in place And just so you know in the tourism industry This is the 2012 projection. That's where we wanted to be. It's very very normal for costs and marketing and spending to be about 50 50 in CVB budgets or tourism DMO budgets across the country That's a normal ratio. So that's where we want to be Amy if I if I may ask because I'm sure it'll come up What is the reason for the? Administrative cost to increase between the 2011 and 2012 budgets. Well actually what we'll do is when we go the next slide a lot Of that's already explained This is the budget breakdown the total budget breakdown So you see the total column the total tourism income is about 356,000 the city's contribution to that is a little projected to be a little over 304,000 for 2012 Now if we look at the overhead here the total overhead and the total spending and we see how they're split across This 19,000 in overhead. That's a county contribution 100% of that pays for the county visitor center that the chamber runs and the chain that has always been run by the county chamber And it's a benefit for the county to run that for all of the chambers or all of the tourism destinations in the county So that center even it makes sense for us to pass it through the tourism budget because it's a visitor center But they ran that even when city tourism wasn't embedded embedded in it So basically because it's a county contribution the visitor center if you haven't been there yet You should because it's new and it's actually really and I Don't even much more of an upgrade than it wasn't our old building Visitors have website access there and access to all the state And all of the cities in Sheboygan that prevent present area guides coupons or any type of tourism promotion are handled through there Now the rest of the split that is really the where tourism comes in and that's mostly George and I and the support staff that we have for OHR for accounting for finances for IT Plus all of the overhead the building lease copy or lease everything that all the resources that we use to spend money on the marketing This credit at the bottom is a few private funds For our discover, Wisconsin show that we've commissioned. We have been filming this all year It's basically for the city of Sheboygan But we did wrap into it a few of the other larger county assets such as Road America Who's also in the show and the participants in the show each contributed some dollar to it so they could help offset the cost for us The tourism department is picking up most of the cost though because a lot of that will focus on waterfront activities and the Marina and charter fishing and the types of Recreational activities that don't have per se a fund to pull that kind of advertising from and Actually now we're going to look at some of the marking initiatives that we went through through 2011 and some of the tracking so we can see What worked and what didn't and why and I'm going to let George go through that with you Well according from our feedback from the hotels and visitors just about anyone we could talk to anyone traveling the Sheboygan Through our website or social media those kind of things we pulled as much feedback as we could our most effective forms of Communication or promotion for Sheboygan basically came down to our billboards and our radio Here on the left or what would be your left? You can see a couple examples of the static billboards. We were running through the state to promote Sheboygan And in comparison our print and online advertising which we had done about equal Contributed to our branding efforts. I didn't deliver any measurable increases in our web traffic And this is basically how we've been measuring most of our marketing efforts We pushed everything back to the website and as we changed the marketing mix throughout throughout the different target zones We could tell which had more effect in which we're driving people back to our website for more information In 2012 the print and online mediums won't target General branding types of messages like you see over here. This is something we ran in Chicago magazine And we didn't see a lot of a response from it these Which highlighted say the niche silence sports fishing sailing the niche the niche idea magazines the niche idea print and online Actually gave us a better response. So our printed online efforts We'll go towards intra-specific niche marketing where our radio and our billboard will maintain our branding campaigns We used a targeted distribution of the publications that we developed in-house that being our visitors guide in our pure pleasure magazine These delivered feedback very directly from our visitors We could see statistically both on the website and got a lot of calls in on them as they were being Delivered to different geographic areas. So we knew this was a very effective distribution model and a very good product for promotion Additionally one of our strongest returns we we got was from editorial content We pushed up the amount of editorial content we were getting in for the city and town of Sheboygan through Familiarization tours with travel writers and culinary writers direct contact with some writers publications and produce producers which resulted in more stories both in niche publications and in general publications Some that got syndicated and went out across the country these returned an extreme amount of attention both Through the print and online vehicles and we could see the attention coming back to our website We got we saw this both locally and nationwide All of our promotions that I said were directed back to our newly developed website This website we put a lot on the backside of the website So we could determine the metrics of who is visiting it why they were visiting it what they were looking at Basically geographically what locations they were coming from so that we could see how that attention back to our website Correlated with our advertising campaigns as they were being released The the website offers a much more robust Experience to to a viewer than any type of advertisement could where any Perspective tourists or traveler to the area can basically check out their areas of interest So this has become a really nice vehicle to push people back to and also gives us a nice way to measure all different types of marketing and Here you can see some of the measurements and how we're using them This is a week-to-week Follow-through About the beginning of April to into September Showing our traffic to the website both total traffic here in red or new or unique users on a weekly basis as they're coming in And what we did is overlay those graphs across some of our campaigns in the back in the yellow here You'll see that's one of our billboard campaigns When we change our material you can see some spikes some of those spikes will correlate to Different events 4th of July of course right here this being the nation's cup race that happened in September We saw a lot more attention just prior to that and especially as our promotion ramped up into that Break it down further our different delivery methods actually went to a number of cities And I broke down of course a statewide and beyond regionally Broken down here are a number of our target cities Milwaukee, Chicago Madison Appleton We use the different levels that these peaked and spiked to determine which Advertising venues were working because some would be say radio is being released statewide Billboards were only in Milwaukee and Chicago online only in Milwaukee and Madison You can look through the mix and find out which was giving us our biggest effectiveness Obviously, we're very effective in the Milwaukee market market. We're seeing continuous growth through the Chicago market It's an expensive market to get into so it's easier to To see some results here, but we're moving that up Madison and Appleton Appleton you can see a very nice spiking growth and that says we started radio through the western portion of the state These again correlate to different advertising changes which you can see and some events that were marked here Then again, the big question is what is the advantage to pushing these Being as though our department is looking for more and increased room tax more stays here in Sheboygan One of the biggest metrics we use is looking at the percentage of Web traffic that comes to visit sheboygan.com and essentially then goes outbound to any one of our lodging entities here whether it be Hotels bed and breakfast anything where people are going to go and look to stay What you'll see here is and it's basically set up for comparison purposes the extended percentage of total web traffic with the percentage of that traffic that then went outbound to Resorts Hotels or bed and breakfast any of our lodging facilities. So you can see we had what would be a very nice Spikes at certain times when promotions were coming out. Otherwise this rounds pretty consistently with our summer season We're trying to stretch it out a little bit longer on the back shoulder And I think we're we're effectively moving that forward Does anyone have any questions about that or any of the general marketing? Do you have something? Yeah, I've got one question on the Current market performance. It says you surveyed the performance of five wishboy and stop performing hotels and that generally showed 3% increase for the first half of the year and a decrease during the summer, but then Were those five hotels county-wide as opposed to city employee Because it seems like it's kind of a contradiction between those results and the results on the room tax collections that increase pretty substantially When did when did we move when did we officially? hire you on and move tourism into the chamber, okay, so that would be the difference in our overhead of 2010 yeah, that's that's what I was looking at was the overhead cost going way up that explains it No, I might so it's been a little over a year year and a quarter Yeah, I think I think we're doing a great job Definitely hadn't in the right direction We have some questions from some aldermen we have Alderperson Kettleson Thanks, Amy. I just wanted to ask you going back to that consumer behavior page in the blue and then Things that were up and then the things that were down Just looking at the shopping and the sport fees and the evening entertainment going to the shopping I recall when one of the first presentations was that shopping was something used to draw You know tourists here, but now that it's kind of you know Trending downward our tourists coming here finding, you know shopping adequate and they're just doing other things or are we always promoting? Getting well shopping here in Sheboygan remember these figures are statewide So and we never competed really strongly and in just as a shopping destination. It's never what we tried to do Our shopping hasn't really locally hasn't declined Okay, and I think that's because we have such unique Entrepreneurial shops that people will visit them anyway. They don't come here specifically for that, but they'll engage in the experience So but as an overall trend this tells us that we don't have to worry about not competing well in shopping because Say at the outlet malls or the larger destinations like Milwaukee Green Bay Appleton are huge shopping destinations They're trending down right now Thank you. Thanks. Thank you, Gene Any other questions from the council? Okay. Thank you Next on our agenda. We have the UW whitewater survey results Doctors Susan and Jolly come up. They have copies for everybody And we did review this earlier in strategic fiscal planning So I think quite a few alderman are already familiar with it. I'm just so you know Jolly's passing out some extra copies of the Report and when the report is finalized it We will present bound copies to the council in the city and then also an electronic copy to put on your website So This is not your only opportunity to see that report just so you know that okay So as the mayor said I am Susan Johnson And this is my colleague Jolly emory and we're up here from UW whitewater the Center for Political Science and Public Policy Research and we were here in the spring talking about our proposal and now we're back to present the final report so Jolly is going to begin by going through some of our Findings and recommendations in phase one and then I will come back and talk about the citizen survey and walk through those findings So I'll turn it over to my colleague Jolly emory Good evening as Susan said I'm Jolly emory I'm going to talk to you a bit about phase one and summarize our findings First I'm just to describe for you briefly what phase one of the project was phase one of the project includes an evaluation of the organizational structure of the city and Based on that evaluation what we did was come up with recommendations for improvement to the city structure and also with regard to in Proving delivery of services to provide more quality and more efficiency For should plug in the citizens and visitors a little bit briefly about our methodology to complete phase one we reviewed and analyzed information from a variety of sources in Particularly conducted a number of interviews individual interviews with elected officials Department heads and we also conducted an employee focus group to gain more input from city staff and employees If you'd like to know more about this you can find details about our methodology for phase one in the executive summary on page through the report and then also More detail with respect to those interviews on pages 29 through 37 in our report Now based on the information we gathered and analyzed we have the following recommendations Which you can also find in the report on pages 42 through 49 And so I'm just going to go over these briefly and also recognizing that you've already put some changes into place We just learned this evening And so I'll try to incorporate them so that we appear a little bit more updated First we recommend based on the current organizational structure Even the fact that you have this now chief administrator We still recommend that you should have an office of administrative services and within that office of administrative services you would hold or house some key departments which would include human resources information technology and finance and the assessors We believe that including this or creating this office of administrative services would Be one way to streamline a number of these key services that many of the city employees and also citizens rely on and it would make things more efficient for you and improve communication greatly one of the key issues that we found As a concern with all the stakeholders that we interviewed was Communication problems throughout the city from top to bottom and laterally We also had recommended that you create Or hire a city administrator and you've already done this by creating the office of the chief administrator And we consider that to be a move in the right direction Third and this is perhaps a bit controversial is a recommendation that you reduce the size of the common counsel If you look at table 41 on the report, you will see that compared with other class two cities Shabuigan's common counsel is huge and One of the concerns that was raised by a number of people when we interviewed them was the fact that the common counsel has And there weren't really key members of the common counsel or older persons identified But they have a habit of micro managing given that you have gone through Redistricting with now eight districts and two older persons per district who essentially overlap in terms of constituents There's a concern that this could create even less efficiency with respect to responsiveness and Greater micro managing so that is one of our recommendations We think that the fact that you've redistricted Recently allows for an opportunity to consider Reducing the size in addition along with that We recommended that you take a look at your standing committees again if you look at table two on page 41 You'll see comparing with other cities, especially cities with larger populations That are class two cities you have an incredible number of standing committees and when we Examined these committees we noticed that there was a great deal of overlap or redundancy in terms of what some of these Committees did we also know is that some of these committees don't meet very often so we suggest that you take a hard look and these are difficult choices, but take a hard look at these committees and Determine what you can do in terms of either consolidating some of their responsibilities or eliminating them all together We also took a look at some other issues including changes in The way you provide different services and you'll find some best practices recommendations on pages 38 through 40 in report Under the subheading providing versus producing public services Although it's not popular as Susan will report to you to change or increase fees or privatized services with respect to citizen attitudes This is another area in which the city needs to take a hard look given the deficit that you're facing one of the most common areas where Outsourcing or contracting for services has occurred is in public works And we understand that your public works department has been reduced greatly in Recent months however, the fact of matter is that it's very common throughout the state of Wisconsin and certainly with comparable cities throughout the Country to Contract out things like garbage collection solid waste disposal both residential and commercial Recycling etc without necessarily incurring greater costs for the citizens. So that's something to look at We were also asked to look at ways to generate revenue through fees an examination of other cities comparable in size to Shabuigan within the state and outside the state Included things like increasing nominal fees for the use of recreational facilities. I know that you already charge fees Different rates differential rates for residents versus non-residents But maybe considering increasing these fees slightly just nominally to generate additional revenue Many cities within Wisconsin of comparable size or larger are creating new parking structures are changing their fee structure for parking instead of meter where you could pay let's say like 20 cents or 30 cents or whatever it is for a half hour leave There's 20 minutes left someone else takes that last 20 minutes you pay a flat rate So every time you pay a full flat rate for using that fee. It's not the most popular thing But it is one method for generating additional fees Ambulance services are something that are also commonly privatized or contracted out by other cities of similar size Etc. So there's more detail as I said in the report with respect to best practices for Generating more fees or changing services to make things more efficient and more cost effective for the city finally a few things that we Recommend that the city take a look at that may not be quite as costly, but should be Looked into fairly soon would include hiring a full-time administrator rather than an interim administrator I'm sorry in term hiring a full-time assessor Rather than having an interim assessor we suggest that this interim assessor position be replaced soon and You could decide whether or not you want to keep the deputy assessor or eliminate that position We also Believe that it's very important that the city consider hiring a full-time HR director as soon as possible I do think that that would be very helpful to writing agencies Who could rely on HR to do some of the personnel training that some of these different agencies are doing on their own now HR could fulfill that capacity and We also think that the city needs to take a hard look at the role of both the Common Council and the mayor in terms of How it meets the res the needs and response to the needs of the citizens and then of course also the other actors In the different agencies in the city and now Susan's going to talk about the survey results Okay, the survey portion of the report begins on page 51 and what I will do is Walk you through some of the tables that begin on page 55, but first Phase two was a citizen survey and essentially there were three goals of The citizen survey to look at overall quality of life issues in Sheboygan to do an evaluation of services and facilities in Sheboygan and then ask people about their Opinions on making certain changes to service delivery and fee structures and the like In terms of the methodology the survey was mailed to 2,000 households in the end of July mid-July 2011 with postage paid and We received back they were sent out from the city, but they came back to our center in Whitewater, Wisconsin And we received 563 surveys back so we had a response rate of over 25 percent, which is a very high response rate So people not familiar with surveys might think that's not that high But that's actually exceptionally high for a survey to get 25% of the people who receive it to actually send it back The survey included 18 questions Some of them had multi-sub questions two of them were open-ended and the remainder were closed questions and so as I mentioned there were three different focus there were three three different focuses and The tables begin on page 55 the first broad focus was overall quality of life and So as you can see in table three The people who received the survey were asked to evaluate Sheboygan as a place to live Their neighborhood as a place to live raise children retire and the overall quality of life And what we found generally people who live in Sheboygan who responded to the survey evaluated Sheboygan very positively So 71 percent of people said that the overall quality of life was either Excellent or good When we looked at Sheboygan as a place to live that same percent said excellent or good the neighborhood ranked Even higher than that So overall in general when we asked these questions only one item and that was as a place to retire Did the rating of poor, you know go into the double digits? So overall in general there was positive responses We also asked people to evaluate Sheboygan over the past five years not only Sheboygan the city But also their own neighborhood and that's table four and what we found there was that two-thirds of Respondents to the survey said that their neighborhood either improved or stayed the same That number was was last for the whole city So about 58 percent of people said that the city had worsened over the past five years so In terms of change people thought their neighborhoods were better But maybe the city environment as a whole not so much. Okay, and then table five was the third question in this quality in this overall quality of life grouping that we did and that was an open-ended question and it asked people to Tell us what they what changes they would like to see in Sheboygan and The number one reported issue was Reduction in crime and so there were lots of comments about drugs and gangs and Other sorts of issues related to crime and so 17% of people who wrote something down Wrote down something related to crime The the other big category was road repair and maintenance issues So a lot of people indicated that that was a an area of concern Something they would like to see changed and then the other things that people wrote down on their surveys had to do with taxes and fees I'm improving the residential areas and greater economic development. Okay, so the other category was a Collection of many different things and we listed some of those on the right below table number five So overall when we look at this overall evaluation of the overall quality of life people generally Responded positively. There were some areas that they thought needed improvement and When offered the opportunity to write down things they were concerned about most things like crime taxes Road repairs and the like are what came up The second area or area focus was an evaluation of cities the city services and facilities and that's in table six and so we Had a list of 23 different services and facilities and we asked people to rate them as excellent good fair or poor and What we found was that a group of about seven had you know ratings that were 70 over 70% so of either good or excellent so fire service rated the highest 87% of respondents Said that the fire services in in town were good or excellent Garbage collection drinking water the library sores the ambulance EMS services the police Recycling and the appearance and maintenance of parks were the highest scores On the other hand the services that received the greatest percent of fair or poor were street maintenance 81% said fair or poor if you recall back to table number five That was one of the biggest things that people talked about in terms of what they'd like to see changed was road maintenance and road repair So that those two go together local economic activity 63% rated that fair or poor and sidewalk maintenance 59% Indicated that that was fair or poor Okay, other things that had a little lower ratings in terms of support building and housing code enforcement Snow removal youth services traffic enforcement street lighting and storm drainage But overall if you looked at all of the services, I mean there were fairly good marks for the services and facilities in Sheboygan and then the third focus of the the survey ties up really well with phase one of our Evaluation and that asked people About their support for privatizing and or contracting with outside vendors for selected city services And that's going to be table seven and then table eight which we'll get to in a second It allowed feedback for what other services people might be willing to see privatized or have a fee charged for And the third thing had to do with other cost savings or revenue generating policies, but first Table seven was a selection of six items that we were asked to ask residents of Sheboygan about in regard to their support for privatizing and or contracting with an outside vendor for select services and there was very little support honestly for privatizing or contracting with outside vendors the Item that received the greatest support was inspections and then park maintenance and services to seniors and recycling were all very bunched together very very closely garbage Collection and snow removal were the ones that had the least the least support And these responses they track really consistently with the open-ended Responses that are found on table eight You can all see that the number one response to what else might you want to see privatized is nothing Okay, so 42% of people who responded to that question, so they'd like to see no services privatized or be a fee-for-service type operation of The items that people actually wrote down okay Ambulance was one parks and park maintenance fire and public safety, and then you can see as the list as the list goes goes down Table nine looks at three specific proposals for generating additional revenue or reducing costs And the first question asked people about combining city and county emergency dispatch service And you can see there was strong support for that so 40% 30 39% strongly agreed and 45% agreed with the idea of combining city and county emergency dispatch the other two Items a stormwater fee with segment with the revenue segregated and used for service or repairs and upgrades Did not have a lot of support and then a wheel tax with Segregate with the fee segregated and use only for maintenance and street repairs also had support of 41% so less than half the interesting thing that bears comment in regard to the wheel tax is that several people Wrote on their survey. We already pay a wheel tax And we understand that the county charges the wheel tax and we also understand that sheboygan the city used to charge a wheel tax So there's some confusion there amongst the residents in the city in regard to that issue of of the wheel tax And we think that that's something that needs to be clarified for people because this isn't this is one of the areas where we see the council may have some opportunities Because 40% like it's 41% either agreed or strongly agreed with this idea of charging the fee and As we recall from earlier road repairs was the biggest concern for people issues of the quality of the roads And so 81% of people said that the roads were in poor shape when we asked people What do you want to see changed? they said fix the roads and so we think that there's somewhere for this for the council the city to move in In that regard if as you're looking to As you're looking at areas to generate revenue that revisiting this idea of the wheel tax might be somewhere something that you can revisit and Perhaps implement again Making the very strong connection letting people know that by doing this the money is going to go directly to deal with the issue Of the roads because people want to see their the streets repaired and the roads in better conditions the other area where we think there's The interest is obviously combining the city and county emergency dispatch service and that was something that received very strong support So those are two areas that we think the city can can look at in general by way of conclusion This people who completed the survey evaluated to Boygan favorably with the only a few exceptions They evaluated the city services and facilities Positively as we said when we looked at those last few tables There was there's not across the board support for privatization or outsourcing or charging fees But there are areas where we believe that the city can look that it would it would get at least a a certain level of Support from the residents should they go in those directions? we also think that it's important for the council to educate its constituents on the need to generate revenue and And and and that being the case clarifying issues in regards to the wheel tax for example and letting them know that the city does not charge a wheel tax and Perhaps that would then allow for the conversation to begin Which then you could you know explain to residents that if we charge a wheel tax and it was segregated the fees only going to repair roads people might be willing to Go along with that so That's all that we have we have for our report, but we're definitely willing to accept questions Okay, thank you Susan any questions from the council. I believe that Jim will this be on our city website or Chad will we be posting this on the city website in the next couple days You are going to make some changes We will take some feedback and then I told him I would add at the table a table that he requested And then we'll send you a final copy PDF and then you can put it on the okay And final copy will be within 30 days or couple weeks. Okay, so it'll be a couple weeks It'll be on the website questions from the council and thank you Alderman Hammond. Well any questions comments Compliments concerns Alderman Boren Thank you, ma'er. I'm just going to repeat a comment that I did at strategic fiscal planning I think it's kind of interesting At least I found it interesting is that when we were going through the the folks from whitewater and we were asking on table Seven your level of support for privatizing and or contracting with outside vendors for selected city services there's a list of six of them there and One that I wanted included on there in the survey was the idea of Outsourcing or privatizing the ambulance service well in the committee I was voted down on that Because the reason I was given that that well the reason was given that was voted down Was because we had just had a referendum on the ambulance service in the city You said that they wanted to continue with the fire department running the ambulance service however when you go over to table eight Under ambulance without even having that as a prior choice of the six we still had 13% of the citizens that return surveys that said they would be in favor of privatizing or Charging a fee for the service so I guess my point is had that been included We would have had another choice on table seven of what the people could have evaluated to privatize our outsource It was not a choice on that one But yet people took the initiative on the survey to write that they were in favor of Privatizing or charging a fee for ambulance service So I just wanted to point that out It's kind of thought it was kind of interesting that that many people took the initiative to write that Without having that is even a choice on table seven. Thank you Thank you Alderman Boran any other questions or comments Okay, the thing that stands out in my opinion on this survey is that? We really need to get our roads repaired in this city. That's what this says to me is the most glaring Deficiency that we have in the city. It seems overall People are satisfied with their neighborhoods. They're satisfied with the quality of life in our city But let's face it our roads stink and I think that's something that this council Needs to address Thank you again. Okay We will move on in the agenda to the Election of a new vice president of the council President Decker moved that nominations be received from the floor Voting to be done by close ballot And if any more than two candidates are nominated Candidate with the lowest number of votes be dropped in the list and balloting to continue until candidate receives a majority Second We have a second Nominations will now be received from the floor. Are there any nominations? Alderman van Akron, thank you, mr. Mayor I would like to nominate Alderman Don Hammond for the position of vice president of the council I believe his leadership and experience here on the council would serve him well in that position And I think he would do a great job boys Thank you Alderman van Akron. We have a motion for Alderman Hammond second and a second Are there any other nominations from the floor? Alderman borne Thank You, Mayor Ryan. I would like to nominate Alderman Scott Bursi of the first district for the office of vice president I think Alderman Bursi first of all would have the not that he's not busy with his family and his occupations, but I think Alderman Bursi would first of all have the time to dedicate to the office of vice president and I think his His background as of Alderman Hammond has somewhat of a financial background which with our budget times right now is important So I would recommend Alderman Bursi for vice president. Thank you second You have a motion and a second for Alderman Bursi. Are there any other nominations? Are there any other nominations? If there are no other nominations President Decker I move that the nominations be closed Second we have a motion and a second to close the nominations All in favor of closing say aye opposed nominations are closed Okay, we will do the Balloting it'll be majority vote. We have Alderman Hammond and Alderman Bursi on the ballot and attorney McLean will Make sure nobody's putting in two ballots Alderman would you please print your last name on the ballot and then sign it and then put on who you're voting for please Okay, are all the ballots in Good luck to you both Cory did you want anything from the kiddies You want them Boardwalk I I What you like to have the jeopardy soul jeopardy Okay, we don't have a tie vote which is good have a winner The new vice president of the city of Sheboygan Common Council will be Alderman Hammond. Congratulations Alderman Hammond Okay, we're done with the election on to the mayor's announcements. I Don't have much this evening we have a new council president and President Decker and a new council vice president in Vice president Hammond Looking forward to it. It's a new start for the council Looking forward for to these two gentlemen To lead this council to give this council direction to move this city forward and to hopefully Continue With the business of the city As we learned from our survey Which we just got the initial review on We have some challenges facing us the over all people in Sheboygan like it here And it seems from what I interpret of this just reviewing it two times quickly That people like their neighborhoods But overall view the city Less favorably than their own neighborhood But this survey was handed out to all neighborhoods in the city So if people view their where they live as a better place than the city overall Why is that and I think we need to answer that question You know why why is that if people say yeah, I love my neighborhood But sit the city overall is not as good as my neighborhood. We pulled every neighborhood in the city So I think that's something we have to ask ourselves We have a lot of work to do in the city. I think we're making progress But we have a lot of challenges ahead of us and I Urge the council to come together now's the time come together Move the city forward The business of this council is the business of our city That's what we need to concentrate on So I'd like to congratulate President Decker I'm becoming the president of the council Look forward to working with you Look forward to you providing leadership and vice president Hammond same thing Looking forward to the future This is October We don't have elections on this council until April. It gives us a lot of time To make up a lot of ground Looking forward to the future and congratulations Moving on to the consent agenda Oh one other Small item we do have a vacancy that has opened up in the city for district five which I Don't know what district five will be called in the future, but the seat of The seat of former president Rindfleisch Alderman Rindfleisch is now open We will be taking Letters of intent for people to occupy that seat They are to be addressed to the city clerk's office to our city clerk Sue Richards We will have a This is you know, this is the way to campaign if you if you don't have a lot of time on your hands We will have Speeches limited to five minutes at the next council meeting which is in three weeks. That would be November November 7th we think the first first Monday in November five minutes to Tell the council why You want to assume that The duties of alderman in that in that district and then the council will vote on it at that point So anybody who is interested, please give a letter of intent to city clerk Sue Richards. You have three weeks to sharpen up your Speech and we will make that decision the first Monday of November. That's all I have. Thank you Moving on to the consent agenda 14-1 through 14 14 president Decker Those be accepted and placed on file all our C's be accepted and adopted And all resolutions ordinances and substitute ordinances you put upon or pass Second we have a motion and a second on the consent agenda under discussion There's no discussion roll call, please belt All right, boring hi Carlson. Hi Decker. Hi Hammond. Hi. Hi to men. Hi. Hi Kittleson. Hi Maddachuk Racelor. Hi Samson. Hi, Ben Akron. Hi Vanderweal. Hi and Percy. Hi 14 eyes motion carries reports of officers to 1415 through 1423 to be referred Resolutions introduced three 1424 by Alderman Racelor accepting the agreements with local 483 of the IAFF for 2012-2013 and 2014-2015 and authorizing the collective bargaining committee and the chairman of the committee on salary and grievances To sign the agreement Alderman Racelor. Thank you, Mr. Mayor I move that the resolution resolution be put upon its passage We have a motion and a second to put the resolution upon its passage under discussion There's no discussion roll call, please Warren hi Carlson. Hi Decker. Hi Hammond. Hi. Hi to men. Hi. Hi Kittleson. Hi Maddachuk. Hi Racelor. Hi Samson Hi, Van Akron. Hi Vanderweal. Hi, Percy. Hi and belt. Hi 14 eyes Motion carries 1425 by Alderpersons belt and Decker confirming the exercise of police power and making an assessment for a benefited property Against which an assessment is proposed for the water lateral replacement at 1502 1502 a South 13th Street Alderman belt We have a motion and a second to put the resolution upon its passage under discussion I just have a question for the city. Steve the weather. She got a signed copy of the waiver I don't have it on the document we will get it before we Enact this resolution Yeah, I think we should have a waiver of the yep of the hearing prior to This change in the assessment would normally require a public hearing We have the water utility was making contact with these the fishers as far as getting a waiver That really should be part of the record before you Act on the Resolution without having a hearing should we put this on hold till the next council meeting? Make a contingency as part of the contingent part of the amendment that we passed upon the Reception of that make a contingent on I believe they want to get this for a friendly amendment larger lateral in second Okay, Alderman belt you good with that with the amendment that it's contingent upon receiving the signed waiver. Yes, I am Okay, we have a motion a second to pass the resolution as amended under discussion There's no discussion roll call, please Carlson. Hi Decker Hammond, hi. Hi to men. Hi. Cut. Hi. Kittleson. Hi Maddachuk. Hi Raceler. Hi Samson. Hi, then Akron. Hi Vanderweal. Hi, Versi. Hi belt and born I 14 eyes motion carries 1426 to be referred Reports of committees 6 1427 through 1431 to be referred Reports of committees 7 1432 by law and licensing recommending denying beverage operators license number 9295 based upon the applicant's failure to accurately accurately reveal all relevant convictions on his application and His record of violations related to the licensed activity Alderperson Vanderweal We have a motion in a second to accept and adopt under discussion Please continue he was his license denied 4 to 0 Based on recent violations including encouraging probation and parole violations and there was a concern from the police department Thank you all person Vanderweal any further discussion There's no further discussion roll call, please Hammond. Hi. Hi to men cut. Hi. Kittleson. Hi, Maddachuk. Hi Raceler. Hi Samson. Hi, then Akron. Hi Vanderweal. Hi, Versi. Hi belt. Hi, Born. Hi Carlson. Hi and Decker 14 eyes motion carries 1433 by law and licensing recommending denying beverage operators license number 9294 based upon her failure to Accurately reveal all relevant convictions on her application and her record of violations related to the licensed activity once again Alderperson Vanderweal I move that the RCB accepted and adapted second motion in a second to accept and adopt under discussion Is Monica Torres here tonight? She's here The reason she was denied her license was there was repeated disorderly conducts from 2005 2009 actually six of them And repeat driving without a license There were three of them between 2005 and 2007 and the police department had concerns about her continued disregard to the law Thank you all person Vanderweal miss Torres. Would you like to speak on this issue? Okay, and you are we have a motion to open the floor to her manager We have a motion to second all in favor of opening the floor Opposed please step up man. Okay. First. We need your name Melody Karniak with Q mark, which one came out to a one on south a street To a one. Okay Hi, I've been with the company for 25 years and I don't think many of you seen me up here I think I've been up here once in that time. I'm kind of a good Judgment of character. I understand Monica had some problems in the past She's been coming in my store for a year now. She didn't apply. I asked her to work for me A lot of reason is we have a big ethnic area down there and she seems to be well in the community She's been coming in for a year now So I know she's settled down in the neighborhood. She's been living in the same place for a year And I don't know she comes off as a good person to me She's a hard worker. She wants to work a lot and She's gonna be bridging a big gap for me I have a lot of Hispanic people who don't speak English and she's already helped me greatly with one man It's it's good for the community down there. I don't know is the old man in that neighborhood It's kind of rough in the a street whereby rehab lot of fighting the people seem to respect us though like we're family we're a neighborhood were I Think it would be a good thing to bring her in to our store. She's a good lady. She's trying to get her life together I Didn't know her except for her as a customer, you know, we're not I don't even live near her I got a good vibe and I just want you guys to give her a chance most my people work for me years and I haven't had no problems or you guys see me more often up here I don't think I've been here once in eight and I think eight years ago So I just wish you could reconsider and just see what I see Thank you. Oh, thank you. If you can remain up here for a moment if we have any questions from Alderman Can I ask how long has she worked for you right now she just started she just started she had her temps All the person cut Thank You, Mayor Ryan Thank you for coming Melanie Monica has come before our committee She had mentioned that she's worked for you for three months however She's had a disorderly conduct in 2005 2006 2007 2008 2009 and There's a negative recommendation from the police department that does weigh heavily on our committee and it was a four to zero Thank you Thank you all to person Kath Alderman born Thank you. Was the was the vote of the committee unanimous But from what I heard from all the person caught that the last violation was in 2009 I'd like to hear from her if possible what she's been doing the last couple years to stay out of trouble before I'd vote Would you please? Oh, you can hang out up here for a while to please Actually, I'm a single mother of three kids and I'm raising a niece I've been staying out of trouble. I know what I did was wrong this already kind of everybody makes mistake, but I Really need a job and it's hard for me. I'm doing my best to do whatever I can No troubles no none of that. I'm always home when my kids are not at work And I really need this job It's hard out there It's your question. I'll remember. Thank you any further questions all the person Kittleson, please Thank you. Thank you mayor. How many hour you're working at the store now at the Q mark and you work Well, I haven't since my license was denied, but okay I'll do 20 plus hours a week and she helped out at other stores. Yeah, and she helped out waiting She helped out the Weeding Creek store. Okay. All right. Yeah, okay in your last her last disorderly conduct was 2009 So you've been out of trouble since that time. Yes working hard to yes Thank you. Thank you. Thank you all the person Kittleson any further questions alderman raceler Thank you, mr. I guess I may have asked this before but is there any way that we can do an extension of the temporary For a period of time. No Okay, I wouldn't mind if you wanted to do that You can't do a provisional you can longer than 60 days By statute and I guess Melanie. I'm just looking for your support if there are any problems and stuff like that I'm assuming that you would take care of any issues that would come about as far as employment and such You know what I stand by it Are you the license holder of the establishment you are so anything that would go wrong Was right back at you and I am a bit familiar with your industry All the person kath, please thank you mayor Ryan. Oh you have a pending charge at this time correct Actually is my dog Ended up leaving the door, which I'm still gonna court for that What is the ahead excuse me Your pending charges are what? My dog actually and well, I'm fighting another dog with another dog. Okay. Yes. Well, that's okay So your dog was on the loose. There's yeah inside the house open the screen. Yeah Any further questions? Okay, you may sit down. Thank you ladies. Okay. If there is no further discussion The Recommendation of committee is to deny and I vote will deny a license roll call, please Heidemann no kath I Kittleson no Maddachak No Racelor no Samson. No, Van Akron. No Vanderweal I Versi no Belt no Boran no Carlson. No Decker. No And Hammond no two eyes and 12 nose Okay, motion fails. Do we have a motion to approve the license Alderman racelor? Thank you, mr. Mayor I'll move to approve the license second. We have a motion and a second to approve the license and a third under discussion There is no discussion And I vote will approve the license a no vote will deny roll call, please Okay, this is to approve the license Cough no Kittleson I Maddachak. Hi Racelor. Hi Samson. Hi Van Akron. Hi Vanderweal. Hi Versi Belt I boran. Hi Carlson. Hi Decker. Hi Hammond. Hi and Heidemann. Hi 13 eyes 1 License is approved if ma'am if you can consult with the city clerk tomorrow She will take care of everything. Thank you ladies Moving on 1434 by law and licensing recommending denying beverage operators license number 9320 based upon his failure to accurately reveal all relevant convictions on his application and his record of violations Related to the licensed activity all the person Vanderweal. Thank you I asked I make motion that the RCB accepted and adopted second We have a motion and a second to accept in the adopt under discussion is Marcello Segovia here He is here. Please continue the his license is denied for to zero He had three disorderly conducts between 2003 and 2008 I think what the committee's main concern was here is that we asked for Background on any of them and he wasn't able to recall any of them to give us any kind of a background So we're a little concerned about that Was not able to recall the circumstances of the disorderly conducts. We got no background at all Okay, sir, would you like to speak on this issue? Please come forward All them in Vanderweal, can you give me his name again smart? Marcella Segovia Segovia, okay, um, I Didn't get a chance to look it up. I really don't know what happened No, just so the conducts, but I do down there from my manager Okay, sir you you received disorderly conducts in how many of them three of them three of them And you don't recall what the incidents were Okay Were these disorderly conducts in the state of Wisconsin Questions from the these were in the years 2003 2007 and 2008 They're the only things on your record Except for a operating motor vehicle without owners consent back in 2003 You don't know the circumstances that these disorderly conducts would have arised out of no, I don't I don't remember Okay Is there any questions from the council Alderman Warren Thank you, sir. Were you going to be working with your license the Mad Max convenience store on 14th and Illinois Or okay, I know that it's okay Mad Max Thank you, Alderman Warren Alderperson Kettleson. Thank you, Mayor So you're going to be working at Mad Max on 14th in Illinois. How are you you're not working there now or I am your You don't have I don't have my pending approval of this license How long it how you've had a good relationship with the manager and with the people who work there? Yes No trouble at all none at all. I'm just trying to keep a job so I can support my kids You live in that area at all or yes, you do. Okay. All right, and this is your only Your only job will be your only job and your only means of support. Oh I would love to keep this job and actually get another job and Working somewhere else and you have been in no trouble since these three disorderly conducts. Yes, is that correct? Yes. Okay. Thank you Alderman raceler thank you, mr. Mayor Do you remember if you got a citation? Did you go to jail? Did anything do you remember anything about the event? It's been a long time. I Try to forget about all that and I don't remember at all. Okay, I guess Question about a comment if you are denied tonight I think it would be your best interest to go to the police department You go to Wisconsin circuit court access to see where they are from you can actually go and get an open record request And get a copy of the report so you have the knowledge to talk a little bit maybe refresh your memory, too. Okay, okay? Thank you, Alderman raceler Alderman born once again. Thank you I want to give this gentleman, you know every benefit of the doubt possible Would it be would it work if we would send this back to the committee and in the meantime have the gentleman do what Alderman raceler suggested and then bring those reports back to the committee and then Bring this back again in a couple weeks I think that would in my mind at least clear up You know what what the disorderly conducts involved in that type of thing Okay, I want to give you every chance and I think at least that would Clear it up in my mind if you could do it Alderman raceler said and and then bring that back to the committee So I would make a motion to send this back to law and licensing Second we have a motion in a second to send it back to law and licensing Alderperson kath would you like to speak on something other than that? Yes, okay, please do and then then the discussion will be on sending it back to law and licensing Please all the person can't thank you mayor on the law and licensing met two weeks ago So actually Marcel I had two weeks to find out what the disorderly conduct was in 2003 2007 and 2008 It was unanimous at law and licensing for a zero vote only because you did not cooperate with the committee two weeks ago Now would have been another time to cooperate with the council So I don't know if it would be worthwhile to meet next week Did this gentleman show up to committee? Yes, but he didn't recall then what the Did the committee recommend at that time that he looked up what those were Alderperson kiddelson. Thank you mayor. Did did the Being right there at the police station was able to look anything up there or any get any help looking anything up. Oh You meet here Thank you, okay. Thank you all the person kiddelson If there are no more questions for this gentleman, sir, you can sit down. Thank you Okay, we have a motion to refer back to committee a motion in a second Any other any further discussion on sending back to committee? If there is none we will take a vote and I vote will send back to committee Heidemann Codd. No kiddelson. No Maddachuk. Hi Racelor. Hi, Samson. No, Van Akron. No Vanderweel. No, Percy. No Belt no Lauren. Hi Carlson. Hi, Decker. No And Hammond I Five eyes nine nose Motion fails We had a motion on the and a second on the floor To accept and adopt The arrow is there any further discussion on that We're voting now to deny him the license. Yes, I accept and adopt the Yes, and to deny so an aye vote would be to deny the license and I vote would be to deny. Thank you Thanks under discussion There's no discussion roll call, please Heidemann. Hi. Hi kiddelson. No, Maddachuk. Hi Racelor. Hi Samson. Hi, Van Akron. Hi Vanderweel. Hi, Percy. Hi belt. Hi, Warren. Hi Carlson. Hi Decker and Hammond. No 12 eyes two nose Motion carries sir. Your license is denied I would recommend that you try to find out about these disorderly conducts and possibly reapply in the future That would be a good place to start. Yes, sir. Thank you Ordinance is introduced 10 1437 and 1430 1443 14 1435 through 40 37 and 14 Okay, 1435 through 37 and 43 Little order problems here Sue. That's why it says yes, it is out of order. Yes. Yeah, okay. Those all lie over 1438 lies over to December 5th 1439 through 1442 to be referred 1338 matters laid over 11 our own number 212 1112 by the city clerk granting various licenses President Decker Thank You mr. Mayor We have a motion a second to accept in place on file under discussion There is no discussion all in favor say aye opposed motion carries Excuse me other matters authorized by law 1444 in RC by the committee of the whole making a favorable recommendation on Adopting the sugar farms soon to be known as the Willow Creek Park Conservation plan to protect important resources on the site while at the same time providing development opportunities to promote job creation goals of The city of Sheboygan Alderman Boran Thank You mayor. I move that the report of committee be accepted and adopted We have a motion in a second to accept and adopt under discussion There's no discussion. I'd like to just comment on this briefly This was a study that was done sponsored by the DNR. We got a $40,000 grant on this to kind of marry together Economic development and natural preservation of the resources on this property, so it's a Luckily, we did not find any endangered species. No three-eyed newts or anything out here So we are going to be able to develop it, but the idea is to Can serve or preserve a great portion of this property to be turned over as conservation land in the future so we appreciate the work of Chad Peleshek that he put together on this and I believe it was great that did the study so turned out well. Thank you Any discussion on this matter There's no discussion roll call, please Kittleson I Maddochak I Racelor I Sampson I van Akron I van der wheel I Percy I belt I Warren I Carlson I Decker I Hammond I and Heidemann I 14 eyes motion carries other matters authorized by law attorney McQueen 1445 is communication from Kristen Blanchard regarding the various concerns and complaints She's received from customers and vendors about the past farmers market season will be referred to public works 1446 is an arrow by the city clerk submitting various license applications for the period ending June 30 2012 Will be referred to law and licensing Anybody have anything else? We have a motion to adjourn in a second under discussion all in favor say aye opposed motion carries. Thank you everybody