 Make another podcast like Check it check check it. This is unique. Oh such a boy. You see all I'm here with the lovely amazing official. Mr. Mako, what's going on? Nani Nomadewa going I want y'all to stop what y'all doing right now and go like subscribe follow us on all social media platforms I mean every single one. I mean our tiktok or Instagram or Facebook or snapchat You name it we're on it But check out our patreon because that's where you can find all our full-length interviews If you don't want to see the clips just hop on over to our patreon channel But our YouTube channel as well membership y'all love our brand of what we do just go ahead and sign up for our membership Support the brand y'all say you love us. We've been grinding for you. So go ahead and support the brand Yeah, do what she said now, you know, we all so y'all gotta listen to us I am she's not all is me. So I'm the elder around this camp check it man Hey, man, we got a special guest for you guys today. You guys gonna be in for a treat You know, we we always try to bring you people who are extraordinary This young man has been working for a while But now you know these within these last few months. It's been some different people He's where we're gonna get all in his Kool-Aid, you know, I said, we want to know the flavor man Tray haggity is in the building. What's going on, baby? And thank you for having me you better say it again Thank you for having me man, and I appreciate you for coming not for real You know I'm saying thank you for coming man, you know, um, definitely Researched you to you know with with you know, just wanted to know more about you I've seen a few things that you've been working on so we're gonna get all the way into it Mr. Maker, what you got? Um, I like to know so born and raised. Were you born and raised here in Dallas, Texas? Yeah, born and raised. What part? Born and raised. Dunkinville, the Dunkinville area, yeah Really? So did you play football? From Oak Cliff to Dunkinville. I played football. In Dunkinville? I played at Dunkinville. Oh, I was. Yeah What's that old coach name over there at the one here? Coach be keep going the state over there? He wasn't there whenever. Yeah. You know, Jeff Todd. I actually transferred though. Really, what'd you come here? I transferred to a school, a city here called City of Trendy. Oh, okay. I played football there before the Young Sanders got there. Okay, okay, okay. So you've been to all these schools before the real dudes got there? Yeah. What's up with that? I don't know. So are you any good? Yeah. Yeah, I play college football too. Okay. So you got a scholarship? Okay, what college? It was a school in Nebraska. Yeah, it was the worst place ever. Why? I would never go back. So did you have choices between Nebraska and somebody else? And you just made that choice or you just that's the only one you had? I made that choice because they was my best friend at the time. They wanted him too. So I told him I would only come if he come. And they put they chose both of us. So then we both went there. But I left after you saw the thing is I was a I was a true freshman. So I got to play on the field my freshman year. I started my freshman year. So I got cocky. I'm a freshman. I'm starting. Let me go somewhere else. And he stayed? Your friend stayed? My friend stayed. Yep. Yep. And I went to Texas State and play football over there. Okay. That's a dope school. Yeah, it was dope school. Texas State. So you finished? Yeah, I didn't finish football there. But I went to college. But you finished college. Okay, that's the main thing. Yeah, yeah, for sure. For sure. So growing up, Duncanville raised with your mom and dad? Just my mom. Just your mom? Yeah, just my mom. Typical story. Yeah. I'm like. But my mom had different like couple of boyfriends. Like my first step dad, which I was with him the most, the hand gel for like murder or something. Yeah. How long were they together for? I probably was, I don't know. Like I probably was seven to like, I probably met my other step dad, maybe freshman year in high school or something like that. Oh, when you say step dad, you mean these are boyfriends or these are? My brother's dad. Oh, okay. Okay. So my brother, who's like 21 now. Okay. It was his dad, his dad was in the jail. And then my step dad now, he was in jail too. So he just got out of it. Yeah. Your mom like a certain type of guy. Yeah, it was a certain type of energy. But now it's different. So, but how was it for you growing up, seeing those types of men come in and out of your life and learning certain things? What did you grasp from that? I would say I didn't really have a role model growing up as far as like a man role model. I didn't have that. I didn't never, I never saw a man and looked up like, I want to be like him. Like nah, you know, I saw dudes in and out of jail. You know, what about, what about your real dad? Yeah. Never met him, never knew him. But not really having talked to him politics. I was, so he just, is he in Dallas? He's in Dallas. Yeah. Never, he didn't go to prison. No. So he wanted to stay at home and stayed out. Did you know your, his mother or any of you didn't know his father? Wow. Man, do you feel like there's a space there where, you know, that father figure was missing? For sure. Yeah, yeah, yeah, for sure. I mean, yeah, and it's crazy. I done reached out a few times, you know what I'm saying? And it just sometimes, you know, it just, it just ain't really meant, you know, to be in that way. You know, you never know what he been through, but he's still your father. Exactly, so I never say like, you know, I'm mad about the situation, it is what it is. You just never know. You know, it made me who I am. I say that, it made me who I am. And if he was willing to talk to you at some point, you would still rock, rock, rock, rock. I have no malice in my heart. That's hard. I like. And you don't, do you know if he has other siblings? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Other kids? So we, we was hanging out like every other weekend, politics, I was like in sixth grade. Oh, okay. Because you said seventh. You said seventh. After that, that's when it kind of. Yeah, but hey, you just thought, you just thought you was a man and you just started treating him bad. No, I don't, I don't, I think I was maybe too young to understand. Maybe it was, maybe his relationship with my mom or I already know, you know what I'm saying? But we just, he just stopped reaching out. Do you have kids now? One. You have one how? One, about to be one year old. One year old. Yeah, he's one in August. Because a lot of times when you start having children for yourself and you start to realize certain things, it makes people want to reach out and, you know, create that bond again between, you know, your father and you so that the grandfather can be there for years. I tried that too. I told him I was having a kid. Nothing. Nothing. It's probably, it's something, it's something else. Yeah. It's something going on. Probably, yeah. Something going on with him. It has nothing to do with you. Exactly. And it's something that I definitely will keep in my prayers because I'm going to be real with you. You know, if he can get a breakthrough, then things can change. People can change me. Exactly, for sure. That's the biggest part. Like we all evolve and we all are imperfect people as well. Exactly. So I think everybody deserves a fighting chance and a prayer, which at least pray. People prayed for me. Yeah. They said I wouldn't even be here. Exactly. A lot of people counted me out early on, but look at me today. So I just say, you know, at some point, people change, bro. I mean, and it don't matter what how old they are. Exactly. I know some people that's my age and older than me that still act like they're about 15. You know, running around doing certain things they shouldn't be doing at this point in life. Exactly. Women and men. So I just I just never put people in a box, but prayer, prayer, showing love. All that stuff can help change the situation in a heartbeat. Yeah. You are a special kind of guy. I heard that you had some stuff going on with the youth with with people. Do you help people? Yeah, yeah. So give me a give me a spiel on that. I own a foster agency. I heard about it. Yeah. So I'm the youngest owner in the country. When did you start that venture? Like two years ago. What inspired you to do something like that? So two things. I see my mom do it. I see my mom had an agency for about like four years. Oh, for foster care? Mm hmm. OK. So I've seen her change kids' lives and I've seen her change family's lives. And then my little brother, he's adopted. And then I kind of had my cousins. So my aunt, she died when I was in like a sophomore in college. And that was like my mom. And the two children that she adopted, which was my cousins, when my aunt got into a car wreck, my cousins went to the system and I ain't seen them since. Yeah, these are like my little sisters, you know? So I don't, it's crazy. But yeah, they're gone, haven't seen them since. So it's kind of pushed me to do the same thing. Trying to help people. Exactly. Help people help kids or families understand that system and try to do what I can. Yeah, because we always hear so many horror stories. But the other day, for the first time, honestly, it was a young lady that was our waitress and she was like, she didn't have any bad experience in her foster care experience. And she went from foster home to foster home and she's like, she didn't want to be adopted or anything like that. She said she had a great time there. But everybody else would say it was terrible. That's right. Everybody had different situations, right? Some kids, you know, I might get a kid and we give them amazing homes. I have amazing families, amazing homes that give them that parenting they need. They don't want it. And they just like, you know, I want to do my own thing. So some kids just used to a certain environment, used to certain things. And then when you try to like, when we actually have something good for them, they don't really care for it. Do, okay, for kids in foster care, do they provide counseling for these kids? For sure. Okay, you have to. You have to. Every foster has a therapist. How often do they see them? Once every two weeks. Do you think that's enough? Do you think that's enough? Yes. Every situation different, right? I don't know. I think that's a great answer. Yeah, you know, I think that's a great answer. But what I can say, some kids refuse. Like even though they have a therapist, they don't talk to the therapist. They kind of just sit there because they don't want to talk. But you know what I remind me of was that Antoine Fisher. He sat in there with Denzel until, okay, you don't want to talk. You're going to sit here until you open up. Pretty much. But if people cared about these kids as much as that, then eventually they should see a breakthrough. Yeah, well I think if the environment is properly, you know, attended to those children, I think the environment will cause them to see that love and see that care. And it helps. A lot of times you can't, a person may not want to talk about it. Maybe they want to just, you know, learn from the experience. Yeah. Either way is a teaching moment. Exactly. Talking about it is cool. And opening it up about it is really cool. But sometimes you can open up too much. I hear people talk about this counseling stuff and you talk about your problem, but you don't want to go so far with it before it becomes a problem that you're worshiping. Yeah, sometimes. You see what I'm saying? They get triggered. Yeah, right, yeah. So you've got to make it something that's interesting. But I just commend you for not just making it about you, but reaching out and showing others. You know, the story about the Good Samaritan where the religious people, the priest and the Levite went up the road, on the other side of the road. But the Good Samaritan picked a guy up and put him on his beast and took him to the next town. Like a lot of people are different. They may say they this and they may have an organization doing that, but they don't want to help the process. And just for you to say, hey, I've made that step to help kids who don't have a father or a mother or who going through a situation such as yourself went through, you want to help. And that's hard, man. Thank you. And what's the name of your organization? Trust It Family Foundation. Trust It Family Foundation. And they can find it online. You know, it's crazy. I never had to make like a social media Instagram. No, I already have families. I mean, I get kids every day. Yeah, I never made a social media thing for it. This is word of mouth? Yeah, just word of mouth, literally. Can a kid choose what which organization they want to go with? Or is this word of a CPS for them? Word of a CPS for them. Yeah, they might put them in one place and then they say the kid acts up over there. They're trying to send them somewhere else. But sometimes they out of options. So if they out of options, they put them where they can. Wow. I want to get into the music a little bit with you too. How did you first start your artistry? When did you know you was going to be doing music? Uh, 12. 12, I started doing music. And you got like an R&B-ish feel to me. Yeah, now. So you sing a little bit. So you never used to sing when you was younger? No, no. You were a choir, you know. So you did. Okay, the church thing. Exactly. So similar, you know, Baptist church, I grew up in the church. But now when I was first making music, when I was 12, it was more like rap, rap, like I'm trying to be the best rapper alive, you know? Wow. And then things kind of just elevating. I changed my sound a million times. Just trying to find you. Trying to find me and different experiences, different environments. And then now I found me. Well, but when you look at the way that you came to be, who you are and what, what, did you start off rapping? Did you start off? Yeah, it was rap. It was rap. Rap rap. You were trying to be the- You were 16 bars. Yeah. What was your first rap that you did? My first rap. Yeah, you remember it? How it went? A little bit. Let me hear a little bit. How you hit that one? Ooh, that's that 12 life. It's that 12. Yeah. Give it up. Ooh, that's all I got. Give me what I thought. I got it, so look. I swear I never fall like August. I'm all this and more. I'm hot in the game like a score. Below me is the ceiling and I've never seen a floor. I know this is amusing, but it can never be fair. The rap game need me. Like people need her. Never mind. I take their breath away and give it back to them. My girl, something. I've got that. Bars. Bars, nigga. Bars. Yo, you better not play niggas. And that was in 12 years old. That's crap. And what was your rap name? I like that because you remember it. I don't even have one really. I didn't just- I'm here just still. In the building. Yeah. You just, I'm here. I get it, man. So you like, like, you special to even know that you wanted to do music at an early age like that. Yeah. And to stick to your guns to follow through. I wouldn't even say I wanted to do. I was just doing it. But you were just doing it because everybody else was doing it? No, I was just doing it just as an outlet. What you mentioned, like, you don't want to fall like August. I mean, is that talking about the season or are you talking about August how I've seen it? Oh, that was the season. Yeah. Fall August. You wouldn't know. I thought I'm just trying to see what's going on. It's a double entendre. You know what I'm saying? You know what I'm saying? Yeah. But no, I didn't even know I was going to do that. I just was doing it. And I was playing football. You know, that was my thing. Playing football. Okay. I was using football to get a degree. That was my whole thing. I didn't play in the NFL. I never wanted to make it with that. I just wanted to get a free education. That didn't happen. But yeah, that was my goal. Wow. You're extraordinary when it comes down to it, when you think about just the fact of you, like I say, now you have a deal. You signed to Def Jam. Yeah. This Def Jam deal is huge when it comes down to having a connection. If they choose to work with you, I've seen people sign and it go crazy. I've seen people sign and you don't hear nothing. But okay, did you have the Def Jam deal when you did this project with Fredo Bang? Yes. Cool. Okay. So that means you're seeing some traction. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. So I can say it's really about having a team though outside of Def Jam. You know what I'm saying? Okay. Def Jam does their thing too. But my internal team is the people who's moving the needles. Shout out to high standards. Man. Okay. But tell me how do you end up signing this paperwork with Def Jam? So I went live on Instagram with Drow. Yeah. Yeah. I talked to Drow earlier. Yeah. Yeah. He was an A&R dealer at first. Yeah. He told me that. And I went live with him one day, just hopping on people's lives. Because I had an offer from Rock Nation before the end. Really? Yeah. Yeah. So then I got, they took my deal away because of COVID. Okay. And then I hopped on live with Drow. He was just listening to people's music. I played a song. He was like, bro, I want to help you. Wow. Cool. So Drow was like, yo, I have this team in Dallas that I think you should sign to. I'm like, I was living in LA at the time. So I'm like, no, I'm not signing to nobody in Dallas. So I got away from Dallas. But Drow is connected because he was with Eminem. He managed Eminem. He was an A&R. You know, he's done a lot of stuff in the industry. And for him to see that in you, he had to see something special in you. And at that time, when he said Dallas, I was like, I don't want to do it. And that was just me thinking at first, right? So I'm like, he said, sign these people in Dallas, they dope, they come out of your city. You know what I'm saying? They understand what you've been through. And they make it some good strides. And I'm like, I don't know, Drow. And he was like, trust me, just do it. And at this time I had a lawyer who I got from Rock Nation. And the lawyer was like, do not sign this deal. It's the dumbest thing you're going to do. If you sign it, I'll never work with you again. And I'm like, damn, why? You know what I'm saying? So I end up saying screw it. I signed the deal anyways. The lawyer went on, I went on. And I signed with High Standards. And the owner of High Standards is a dude named J.Dot. Man, J.Dot is an incredible person. And Drow introduced me to him, right? So J.Dot was like, he was like, yo, I want to sign you. We're going to do some big things. You know, let's make this work. So I'm like, at that time, I'm like, I'm not trying to sign. I just had Rock Nation off me. Like why am I about to sign to an independent label from Dallas? So you know, I trusted Drow and I really like J.Dot's energy. And I was like, you know what, screw it. Let's do it. So I signed with J.Dot at High Standards. And then I would say like a year after I signed to J.Dot, he came to me. He was like, yo, I just did a partnership with Dev Jam. Dev Jam wants to sign you as an artist. And I'm like, what? You know what I'm saying? Like I signed to him thinking, I wouldn't think nothing. And the lawyer told me not to do it. You know what I mean? So yeah, we went up from there. And that High Standards is me. We got Coco Jones. I don't know if you're familiar with Coco Jones. She had the song I See You. Incredible R&B artist. Probably the biggest R&B artist right now out. As me is Coco. And she was also on a TV show called Bel Air. Lady London. She's another big artist from New York. Super hard. And you got Bobby Sessions. He's an artist from Dallas and a songwriter. He's amazing. He wrote Savage from Megan Thee Stallion. It's us four. And High Standards is probably the hottest label for sure in the state of Texas. Wow. So Def Jam, what is it now? We know what it was. The label. Now it's different. What is it? Do you see what I'm saying? We remember Def Jam, Russell Simmons. We remember Jay-Z went through there. We remember Def Jam South. What is Def Jam? What is it now? Have you researched it? Yeah. You see what I'm saying? What is it? What is a deal nowadays? You know, we're out here trying to figure it out. What's going on? Most people don't be researching it. They go off of the name, the brand, because they already built their repertoire. So it's like... It's different. Of course, it's different deals, right? But like I said, I was blessed enough to sign to an independent label and to Def Jam. Okay. So that way my team, like High Standards, we make all decisions. I don't have to go to ANR or try to listen to blah, blah, blah in the label. It's whatever we decide, the label is going to back that. You know what I'm saying? Just like if Kendrick was signed to TDE. TDE makes the decisions and in a scope or whoever Kendrick was signed to at that time just puts up the money. So it's kind of how my deal is sort of like, High Standards is my team. We moving, whatever we want to do, especially because Coco is killing the game right now. I think our song just went platinum. The doors are open for us to do a lot of things. They trust what we're doing. And Lady London and Bobby and me, we have a lot of success. So like we priority right now. But Dev Jam has a lot of, they got a new president, Tungy. I love Tungy. Tungy has great taste in music. He came from, he came from RCA. I think he was an R&B cat. So he came from the world of R&B and now taking over Dev Jam, he's built a different type of system over there. It's not the old Dev Jam no more. It's like newer sounds, newer talent, young, hungry people in the building. Like it's different. Wow, proud of you. I want to ask you about undivided attention with you in front of Bang. Like that's a banger. I mean, I love the feel. Y'all did that up in Cali? Or what did y'all do that at? I made the song in LA. In LA? Yeah. Yeah, I made it in LA. And then after we finished it, I told my label like, yo, this is one of the ones. You know, they was like, we agree, this is one of the ones. And we just went bounce back and forth. Like who we think fit on there? I was like, yo, what about Fredo? Like, you know, he gives something to the streets. He gives something to the women. You know, I need that balance. You know what I'm saying? It was like, yo, this is a dope idea. And Fredo happened to be signed to Dev Jam too. Wow. It made it easier, you know what I'm saying? So yeah, it went from there. And Fredo's a good dude. He came and shot the video in Miami. It went up from there. Y'all kicked it in Miami. Like, how was it shooting that video down in Miami? It was fire, fire. Who shot the video? Legit looks. Okay. Yeah. I've been shooting with them. They shot my Spence of Emotions video too, I don't know if you've seen that one. Yeah, they did a good job. Yeah, they fire, fire, super fire. So they trust my vision. Like even if I come up with ideas, they're going to make sure they make sure it happens. And yeah. As an artist, what makes you stand out different from everybody else? My story, my journey. Like, how many rappers or singers you know what a falsay is? Probably zero. How many rappers you know with an engineering degree? Probably zero. It's not possible. No, it's impossible. No, you mean like that. It's definitely possible. But not many, right? Or how many people you know, how many artists and rappers you know own a business? Not many. A lot of them do. Some of them. Yeah. But yeah. How many, you know, play college football? Not many. So I done did so many different things. I think it makes me have a different perspective than a normal artist. I don't drink. I don't smoke. You know, like I'm not the typical what rapper or whatever you want to call it that people think in their heads. Like I'm educated. I'm just as business-minded as somebody that works. You remind me of Plyce. That's what Plyce, Plyce and you kind of like. Really? I ain't know that. No, I'm just kidding. But he is educated and stuff. You might not know it from the music, but he's definitely a guy that's. See, I be wanting to hear stuff like that. Yeah. But he ain't kind of drinking and smoking at all. He got that yank or something on that. He ain't even play with you on that. Yeah. Not many people don't drink. I don't drink or smoke. But really. Yeah. Stop playing. You ain't though. You ain't by yourself. But you have a few. You have a few. We've had a few that's been on our show that don't drink or smoke. That has their master's degree from our university that played football. You know, they don't own a foster agency, but they've done all of the other things. So we've I've heard that before. Oh, so you ain't special. She's trying to tell you what she's trying to say. She's trying to tell you what she's trying to say. I'm going to be honest with you. They ain't got no foster care. They ain't they ain't on your level with it. So ain't nobody like doing music at a certain level. Yeah, you are on the level. Like, yeah. It's not awesome if they got their team, right? If they signed the Def Jam. You know, don't play. So hold on. You know what I'm saying. You know what I'm saying. Okay, but he's talking like that. So what are what are your plans to stay there and keep elevating? Because I've heard people who get there, but then they either get shelved or they get one hit one. Or, you know, and then they they go back to their regular. You know, what's going to make you? What what's your plan? Because you have to have a plan. Both that's going to make you keep elevating and not go back to the person you used to be. Yeah. I mean, no one wants to go back to the prison. Okay. So what's the plan? I mean, just trust in the journey. Trust in my team. Like, I don't I don't know everything. Right. And I don't act like I do. So just trust in the people around me. And if God wants me to be a successful artist, then that's what I'm going to be. You know, no ifs and buts. But as far as if I don't, I'm still going to touch people with my other stuff. I'm still going to have a foster agency regardless. I'm still going to touch kids regardless. I'm still going to do events in the community. Like I'm still going to do that. So music is just another thing on top of it. Do you I mean, do you want would you like to work with you and Fredo plan on working again together somewhere down the line? Or I hope so. Yeah, I'm going on tour with them. I heard about that. Yeah. Yeah. So tour, tour starts tour. Tour for start here pretty quick. August like 18. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. How long I want to go for? October, October 16. Some of that. Yeah. He could get it in. Let's talk about it. Let's expensive emotions. Yeah. What was the I mean, that seemed like the one that, you know, you got the most push up on back, you know, back before what made that one stand out and what made it different? I was just being vulnerable, you know, talking and just giving a perspective of, you know, women that have expensive emotions. You know what I'm saying? Like, and that's, that's, that's okay. You know, if you've got expensive emotion, that's, that's, that's cool. You know, I'm not going to say I don't like bougie because I'm kind of bougie. I ain't going to count. I'm kind of bougie. It's acceptable. Okay. Explain your terms of bougie. I like nice things. Like I want to, I want to, I drive nice. I fly nice. I eat nice. I stay somewhere nice. Like I like nice things. Well, that's just a standard. I like to set for myself. And if a woman, you know, set herself those same set, that's okay. But it just depends how you lead. Like you lead with your heart and you pure heart it. That's cool. But if you just a woman that, you know what I'm saying? That's all about materialistic stuff. It's all about, yeah. And then now you got expensive emotions and I don't fuck with it. So. That's hard. Well, two sides. Let's talk about two sides. Two sides. Oh, it's true. Yeah. Two sides. That doesn't make sense. That's a hell of a type. Two sides. My life is two sides. So, yeah. And that's why I made it because I was a, I loved LA, but I had a down self vibe, you know, like I'm from LA, but I mean I'm from Dallas, but I got a LA vibe. Yeah. So, uh, I just wanted to, you know, tell a story from like another standpoint. Like, yeah, I'm from here, but I'm also doing things here and you can do both. Like people think, especially out here, people think like I'm from Dallas, I got to sound like I'm from Dallas. Like I'm music wise. My music don't, may not sound Dallas or what people think is Dallas, right? I want to bring a new sound to Dallas, but, uh, yeah, I don't, I may not sound like that, but, um. Where do people say you sound like you from? No, I go sound like this, this person, this person. I just go, okay, what's up? You know, uh, they don't know, they don't know. You don't usually do a lot of songs with, uh, features. This, this federal bang was was one that, you know, yeah, that was, uh, that was something different for you. Yeah. I mean, I, I've worked with a lot of artists. Don't get me wrong. Like, especially on the songwriting side, I'm still writing for artists too. Um, and we'll work on music, but to be honest, I'd be, I'd be so busy just trying to be, build genuine relationships. I don't even be caring about the music. Like I sit with a person, we just talk about other stuff. Like, like my best friends, they do music. We don't even got songs together. Wow. We just talk. Regal on regular stuff. Life. Who would you like to collab with? Like, like, uh, that if you could pick anybody, who would, who would you think that you can make some, uh, make history, make us, uh, one of those everlasting songs? You know what I mean? Yeah. Um, oh, everlasting. There's a few artists. Name an everlasting song. That's an effort. Man, I was talking to my homie about this other day. Like, I feel like now, what is an everlasting song? Cause I'm happy by Pharrell. Cause you, you play that all day. Uh, uh, What's the most recent one though? The most recent one? That you feel like could be everlasting right now. Like 2022, 2023. No, no, no, no, no, nothing. People not putting, people not digging. Not one song. There's nothing that's, that, that I can think of to just, just blew the waves. You, anything? You know, you're, you're in one love with, with, with Bob Marlin. That's old though. But it's still an everlasting song. Yeah, but he's talking about recent. Right now, I know what he's talking about, but I'm trying to get my mindset right. You got to be heavy. Like happy birthday to you about Stevie Wonder. It'll never go nowhere. They're gonna play it forever. Um, I mean, in those times music was different, right? That's what, that's what I'm, that's what I'm moving to. You're going to digest it. Yeah, they, they took it different. So do you feel like there's any songs right now? No, because the generation that we're in right now, especially, you know, when you think about rap and stuff, it's all about the drill music and stuff like that. Those type of music is not going to be no everlasting songs. It has to be a song that you can play for occasions. Exactly. You understand when people can play them at parties, a dance song, um, a turn up song, something that every time it comes on, it's, it's just, you can't help but move. Yeah. I don't see that. None. I kind of, I kind of agree. That's interesting. What'd you think? There's a few. Like what? What's the song with, uh, Resence. Essence. Is the essence, essence with, uh, Sing it. Um, I got body. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, but that ain't that. What's, what's her name? You think that's, you think that's everlasting? I mean, You said, you said. It's not, I don't know. You said the most everlasting song ever. So I think. Oh yeah, yeah. That's the one. That's the one. You know, I think, I know the song. You really reaching for that. But how long ago was that song come out? It's been a minute. Like 2022, 2022. Yeah, it's been a minute. Okay. Yeah. That's like, you know something about essence? No, he don't know really. I know that song. Um, I heard the song before. I heard the song, but I don't know what. That's not a song that I'm just gonna be. Yeah. Yeah. I got body, but I forgot, I forgot her name, the artist. But that's not a song that I'm just gonna play every single, you know, party or choose to pick. Okay. Definitely. Yeah, I mean. We gotta do better, I believe. Basically. We gotta do better, man. Other generations, y'all just shorting the damn music up. Y'all got the song going two minutes. Ain't nobody remember that. You got the bangness in the people head in order to get them to hear it. But you know what's crazy though? Did you say that? This is stupid. Industry standard. Like, even when you're A&Rs, producers, everybody, they're like, keep your song shorter than two minutes. So that's what everyone wants to do. Because attention span. They say that this generation's attention span is short. Very, very short. It's like a minute. Even like when you look at social media, Reels and stuff is a minute. So a lot, when I make music, and I see if it's over two minutes and a half, I cut it. I try to cut it. Just because I've been conditioned to think this song needs to be shorter than three minutes. I sense the best way to do it. Y'all done messed up everything. But how hard is it to get them? You and your A&R buddies and all y'all with Def Jam and all these other rock nations. Y'all, get off the gas. We want a song. Four minutes. But how hard is it to get your message across in a shorter span time? I mean, it's not hard. You understand how to make music. So kind of know how to do it. But it just don't last long. It's just against different times. So people, this is a certain structure that they think, okay, it's going to do well. Because let's say I made a four-minute song. Will people actually listen? Yeah. If it's good enough. If it's good enough. Oh, no. If you bring it hard enough and good enough, they will play that thing. It's got to be good enough. Oh, no. Y'all focus on my Gucci pink and my booty whole brown and all this stuff. Man, let it go. But you know the song. Audrey and I know it because it's crazy the title. But it ain't going to be like it. I mean, when you first heard F&L, it was gold for a minute. But that's always been crazy songs though from here. I'm just saying. But at the end of the day, where is that one that you just don't let it go? There are artists out there. I think there's artists for everything, right? You do have the F&Fs, I mean, the Glorillas and the Sexy Reds, which speak to a certain demographic of people. They need that. I think I'm just old. You don't hear that. I'm just old. Let me make it. I'm just old. I'm just old. Let's talk about vanilla ice. What was he talking about? That nigga was, come on. Straight up out of Dallas, wasn't he? He said, I push it. I mean, what were you talking about? It was fascinating to see a white guy with a little bit of pizzazz or a little bit of swagger. He was, that's why that's sold. And the beat was nice. So that's a white F&F. So the beat is nice. Yeah, you know. Yeah, you're right. You're right. Man, what's your top three artists of all time? Dead or Alive? Any genre. Get in genre in any order. Oh, any genre. In any order. In any order. Three. Top three. You can do it number one. Dead or Alive. Dead or Alive. Number one. Typical. Wayne. Man, that's my boy right there. Come on, man. Wayne, you didn't even see me. Number two. Number two. I'll give you to you. You did that. Hunter 2000. Damn, boy. At number three. Don't do it no more. Get on off the gas, boy. Don't do it no more. So any artist. Any genre. Boy, hit that. See, I got to do that. Now I'm going to go somewhere else because... Yeah, because you's in the south. Maybe like... I'm so south driven. Who? Maybe like Beyonce. Because you stayed in the total south. That's why he wanted it. He wasn't in the Midwest. Oh, he went in the south with it. He wasn't in the... No, no. That boy in the south. South. Y'all, Boss Talk 101 is in the south, y'all. And check it, man. Trey just showed y'all the truth. You know what I'm saying? Haggerty is in the building. Dev Jam made the right decision. This young man is going to go places. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. For real. Thank you. But no, man. If you could go back, man, and you could... You know, go back before college. And you could go back when you was getting ready to get out of high school. Would you change anything? Nothing. You leave it all to say. All to say. Man. That's all. In church, when you sang, what were... What are you, a tenor? Or I'll tell her what? At that time, I would just sing it. Don't do it. I don't even know. I was just trying to sing it. Don't do it. Don't do it. You trying to set you up, man? I was just trying to sing it. I see that set up. Come on. Yeah. You want me to get that song? No, because I'm turning it up. Yeah. I want to hear you sing me a song. Yeah. All this, I am... You want to give me a song? I am not... You want to sing for me? If I did you run out of here, I cannot sing at all. You from Jamaica? Yes, but I cannot sing. You can't sing? At all. I thought Jamaican people could. No. No, they can't. He said no. They're not like us. But you can dance. No. Yeah. Little bit. Yeah. Okay. Okay. I've been married to him for 20 years, man. He said no, no. We want that ears. Okay. Whatever. We want that ears over here. Whatever. Whatever. Yes, sir. No, man. Thank you for coming on the show, man. How can people get a hold to it if they're trying to rock out with you? Man, just reach out. Trey Haggerty on our platform. So, T-R-A-Y-H-A-G-G-E-R-T-Y. Give me up. Man, thank you so much, man. I hope we did you justice, man. Like I said, man, hey, man. It'll be a game. We're going to do this again. We're going to run it back. This family forever change. This is... It's hard, man. I love it. I love it. I said this series. That is so dope. Y'all are my family. Whatever y'all need. Whether it's... I want to know y'all. The drill got to send y'all something. Whatever you're going to send it. And that's how it was, man. Say, man, listen, man. Thank you so much for coming on the show, man. It's been another great segment of Boss Talk 101 where the boss is talked. And we out.