 And I'm like, what's the timeline on the declaration again too? That was going to be. Well, I think we wanted. Council to take it up their first meeting after the election. Right. So we still have a couple of weeks. Yeah. I think if we can. And if I might, um, sorry. So. Um, So just sort of logistically, um, some of the things that we've been developing within the city manager's office is that the first meeting after, um, the election. So that would be the eighth will be really a sort of, um, housekeeping kind of meeting. Um, so really the, the, the first meeting that would be available would be the 22nd. Um, and maybe even perhaps the first meeting in April, I think we're going to be able to, we're going to be able to, um, we're going to be able to have everything that they need to make, um, decisions and things like that. And so there are things that are starting to. Line up in the queue. And I know this is an item for sure that's been kind of on the radar. Um, but I just wanted to kind of update the group on, you know, what that might look like. If we're not going to make any decisions on this call, maybe Pellin and maybe Michael will be joining, but so maybe we'll be able to get a quorum, but it can, can we just get those that quick update? Yeah. Yeah. So what should we wait till that's like in a, in a meeting meeting? Space. Does that make sense? What, what update, Shayna? Of the, um, what the, the. The city manager's office has been working on. Uh, so I'm, so that's pretty much it. Oh, okay. That's it. Sorry. I thought. I'm happy to, uh, help. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Um, just sort of as things are taking shape. Um, and, you know, we're kind of looking ahead and looking. Towards a new group of counselors and, you know, uh, quite a few members at that. We want to make sure that. You know, this first, um, meeting that they do have on the eighth is probably really, it's really shaping up to be more of a kind of like. Um, a sort of, a regular meeting orientation type of meeting. And then, um, the 22nd, there are a few items that they'll probably take up that. Um, have been sort of queued up strategically. So people are definitely getting in line. Um, to get in front of them. And so logistically we just need to be aware that I know that this is important. It needs to, you know, go to them. March or the first meeting in April. 20 second of March. April. Okay. Wasn't there, I mean, it was the folks that joined us to talk about the organization that, that started the whole project to get all the towns in Vermont to sign on. Didn't they have a, they have a deadline, don't they? They're on deadline of like May or something. Yeah, right. So there's still a little bit of time to get it on this city agenda. But not that we want to keep pushing it forward. Yeah, as I recall, they were thinking like May, right? Um, so that makes sense. I mean, you know, if they see it and they request changes to it, then, you know, they need to be a little bit of turnaround time. Yeah. Hello, Michael. Hello. I forgot that there was a meeting today, which is why I never sent out a reminder or anything else. I apologize. But we're just talking about for the declaration of inclusion. If we want to finalize that and get that on the agenda that they could review it March 22nd, first meeting of April, and that would still give them enough time to be putting it in, in May, but just if you had any update from talking with folks in Highgate. I tried to reach them four times. Nobody would respond. The article that Jeremy sent was helpful, but I'm still not sure what was going on. The spokesman who said, you know, read all the way down to the bottom as if there was a coded message in there. I read all the way down to the bottom and I still couldn't figure out what the objection was. Yeah, I didn't, I didn't either. I, my sense from it was just that. Somebody feels like they would be tied into like taking some action if they sign on to this. Heaven forbid. Right. So I like, I think we're, we have the finalized language. I feel good about that, right? Like, is that. Does anyone have any other concerns with raising it forward? Can we kind of like check this off the list for, for moving it. Just to city council. I don't, I'm, I think it's. I think we took a fine tooth come to the language last week. I think it's ready. For council to weigh in on. Cool. And so do we, do we want to spend some time today looking at the strategic plan then too? I don't know. Do we need a motion to do that? A motion to bring it to the city council. Good question. Let's just do it just to be safe. I make a motion to bring it to the city council. Jeremy, do you second? I second that. All in favor. Hi. Awesome. Any opposed. Thanks, Michael. Just. Check in. I appreciate your. Your. Good process. While we're approving things, we also want to approve review and approve the meeting minutes from the last meeting that Michael sent. I'm going to pull them back up here too. This is why I pull everything together the night before. So sorry. And you sent it on the 18th. Move that we approve the minutes from January 18th. Helen, do you second? Second. Okay. All in favor. Hi. Hi. Any opposed. Awesome. I got to find that again. And so. Can I do this here? We can put the link in the chat. Strategic plan. Great. The strategic plan. Thank you, Jeremy. Pulling it up from the agenda pulls it into a document that like doesn't have any header bar for me and stuff. And I'm always like, why is this. Silly looking. And so I think, yeah, we've had a chance to look things over, but this is like primary prioritizing. And so, you know, we've had a chance to look at the council members post-election presenting to the new city council early on, you know, focusing on meeting with all the city councilors is part of the public engagement is working on growing committee membership, advertising the city application. Doing an outreach session more in the late summer, early fall. Or I think it's actually doing it in the fall in partnership with the city council. I think it's doing it in the fall in partnership with the city council. And then. As part of the ongoing. Education. Helen started that like list of. Like DEI trainers for people that keep asking us for them and things like that. I'm rolling out these different opportunities for other committees and, and staff. I know. Yeah. Participation to get a plan for next year. But I. Yeah. I mean, you're having this. I've not thought about how we're, how to facilitate this session, but maybe just like open it up to like. Reactions. Reflections that people had. And then take it from there. So Shayna. When I look at the, like each. Months or couple of months. Goals. Which are. The city's responsibilities, which are ours. So. So. Should we put something like that? Or we don't need anything like that on the. Document. Like, well, I guess. Is there an example that you're thinking of? I'm not fully advertising stipend, right? Is the city is. Responsibility. Let me go back to. Sorry. I think this is more of like meeting with other committees. And continuing to do that. Outreach committee members. If you look at the city, I think we have a lot of other. Identity-based and issue-based organizations. And we're looking at the tactics. I do think that's on us. Okay. That's why, yeah, that's why I was. Suggesting should we put anything like that or this document will be internal anyway, so we don't have to mention it. Just checking. Tuesday council. I'm not sure. Yeah. I don't remember four and the tactics of first of the first where we commit ourselves at least one member of this committee is going to attend one meeting extra meeting a month. Is that really going to work. I mean, you know, all of us I think are pretty well booked up. I know it's like Michael now that you're not on every committee anymore. What you thought I'd do that. Just be on all the committees you could just report back and now we've got to actively seek them out. Yeah, I mean, I think I was really just thinking about these two but if other things come up right is one meeting. Yeah, that's pretty arbitrary. It's like as needed, right. I know like the outside just did another round of things and I wasn't able to go to any of them but like if there are other opportunities. We want to be intentional about that right. Like has anyone been going to the outside. I went to the one on Saturday. Yeah. I plan to go to the others that are going to be just some compliments to that so I won't go again. Yeah, I attended the meeting they did on zoom. Yeah. Yes. So done check. We've done that for Q one. Okay. Can you get telling Michael can you offer a little bit of commentary on what those meetings were like as far as I don't know. Yeah. Yeah. You want to do that. After this. Whenever. Okay. Well, I'm curious. I would say we let's finish this, this, this work with the plan and then I'll tell you what I saw. And her. Yeah. And the other like. I think this is. This is our like pull. What am I trying to say? This is a plan. Right. So like this is where we can like set our agendas for the meetings and help us provide some direction for our work and. Because I think that's what we've been feeling a little bit directionless. And so is this accomplishing that goal do we want to approve it. We want to work on building our monthly agendas off of this plan. If there's anything else to say around that. It sounds good. Yeah, I feel there's more detail to get into, of course. I'm. Again, I'm feeling like what is the relationship with city council. And how do they have a level of awareness and how do they want. What are they going to prioritize. So we're kind of in a holding pattern until the new council and the new mayor come in. And we're going to need to. There's going to have to be some kind of orientation for them about what C deck is. As well as individual meetings that we'd like to do with council members. So that feels like. There's a few steps there around, I guess, education and. Just relationship building. That seems important. Lauren does very, you know, she does great job in the city council meetings and she always. We have a very, very important part of how say Jack is important. The decisions. City council makes. I think we can put more on the agenda or there's a city council report at the end of the meeting. Maybe. Lauren and I can mention whatever you want us to mention to the city council. council. I think we can do that, but Lauren really mentions every single time. If something is related to say Jack's agenda or activities. Yeah, or I wonder too, if just like after the presentation to the city council, like if we just want to circle back like at the end of q2 just to reevaluate this plan and like have a come like see where the direction of the city council is going to be and if we wanted to like re re-up it, you know, we can just build that in if that makes sense. Oops. I'll just put that in the top one here. What am I saying. Just like updating the strategic plan with updated priorities from city council. I like end of June, early July. And since now, non citizens but Montpelier residents can vote in local elections. Do you want to, you know, have any goal about reaching out to them or that's a inclusion to so I don't know how many people will come and vote but now they have rights to do that. Yeah, and that's been something that's like was on our last strategic plan that we haven't been able to really incorporate as a bringing it like I'm more thinking about like English as a second language. So I'm thinking about like, you know, we're going to have a lot of people vote in the city council. I think that we're going to have a lot of winners and working on how can we continue to do that outreach. This is like a kind of a specific project. I don't really know what that looks like if you have a thought on that Pell in for doing that outreach but I'm intrigued. And ask him to if someone I think should ask him to put a letter into the newspapers into the bridge into Times Argus, reminding folks that they are eligible to vote. I mean, well we we could do it, but I think it's really his job but you know he claims responsibility for taking care of the election so I think we should ask him, you know, formally ask him to do it if we want to make it as a motion or something like that but in formulas okay. How does that sound Pell in. I wouldn't hurt somebody from C Jack right letters to the editor or put it on which for him for him but I think the burden is really on city clerk. Right we can be a helper but we're not like owning that project that's on the city. Yeah, yeah, I just want to double check right if we need to do anything about it or it's just like, not our job so. Okay. And Kelly like I don't know if you can or if I should reach out of just trying to like hear about what the plan is for doing that in the city city clerk's office. So is this specifically about the language conversion of reminding like aspiring citizens that they can vote in Montpelier in this next election. Yeah. So yeah I we could certainly reach out to the clerk. And I mean if that's something that you'd like me to help but I can. I can get I got on my to do list that sounds like I got it. Thank you. Because I saw that already. I didn't one citizen. She posted this news on front porch forum. She was doing it because she was very happy about it right she's American citizen but she just want to share this good news with rest of us, but I haven't seen or heard anything coming like a more formal way. That's why I just want to check with you. I think it's a good idea to to have the, you know, somebody make make it very clear in the newspapers, which is, you know, still one way of communicating with people. You know that this is actually passed all the barriers that were thrown up against it. So, this along as it gets done. You did anything else we should add or adapt on this strategic plan. And it's going to be a living document but we want to lock it in between between calls. That's the minimum. Should we take a closer look at the, the Q one items and see what we want to do within each of them. That'd be great. So I mean it's the first thing I see here is around participate and support outreach for Elk's log project. I have ideas about what that means. I mean, some of us are able to attend the engagement sessions. Are there other things that we want to do around that. And I think we at one point we had tried to, or maybe I missed it. We had a meeting with the person who's managing that outreach. Is that true. Josh and with him. I've met with him a couple of times. I can't remember if he came to the committee meeting. Did, did anything come from that in terms of how they need. So the meeting I attended, they talk about their ideas, right. They propose three different plans. And I think they are just explaining this to the public, right. One is, Oh, have housing, use this land to have more houses so it will help affordable housing. Second plan is just have recreation center use all the land for that. And the third plan is a do mix, right, some housing and recreation. And they are explaining these three different plans to the public and I think whatever public votes. It will be the next step as far as I understood then they will decide what to do with the land. I don't think that the vote that the voting was they passed out these little dots to fill in, you know, how do you want to use these, these various locations on on each map. I don't think that these are binding on anybody. They are advisory only so I mean how other people vote. Just as a as one marker for their progress but I don't, I don't think it's there's anything binding about it, any of those votes. And I guess I think the person we've been talking about is Josh Jerome might he's the city's representative on this committee or he's the he's the city's person doing that right. Josh is the lead sort of planner for this project. He's the city's economic development specialist. And then we also have Evelyn Prim who's been taking, you know, sort of a really large part in the communications of this project. And so I think she came to a committee meeting, the couple back is to kind of introduce yourself. And I know that so there are two more sessions within this winter feedback loop where really what they're trying to gain from this input is, you know, what, what they think you know might be good uses as as we've mentioned but then also sort of direction on what will be proposed and sort of the final report and in those next steps and so. And Michael, the dots, the exercise there was just to, you know, to kind of see, you know, where people would end up. I will know, which I thought was pretty interesting as they did have a component to that exercise, highlighting Abinapi Abinaki lands, excuse me, sorry about that. Lands for just use because there were some artifacts that were found on the site. And so there is some thinking about, you know, making sure that, you know, we are including people of the land. And so that that is happening. And so we'll see, you know, at least, you know, what what output comes from that with the input. So, if you can, the other two sessions are on the second from six to eight, and then on the ninth from noon to two. If you wanted to participate. Thanks Kelly. Shayna, I'm wondering. So, equity, who can participate who can't participate in these kinds of sessions did anything come up in talking with Josh around concerns around. That was exclusively what I remember talking about and it was maybe more like the phase one was of like, who should we be reaching out to how should we reaching out to them. I shared about our stipend process and tried to figure out if we could use the stipends for participation in these processes it seems like that didn't come from anything because I haven't seen anything advertised from it. But that that that was like I'm like, I don't feel like I have opinions on what this property should be used for but I want people who have opinions to be able to like offer them in that like create a different opportunities for having them in that space and I think coming out of that was like having that like be on property and like doing the walkthrough as well as having zoom meetings at different times and things like that. So, but yeah, that was I hadn't participated in this kind of, I think, I think it was like phase one and then like research and then this is phase three if I'm remembering correctly this is off the top of my head. And so I think I was more involved in like the phase one of doing the outreach and I have not talked to anyone in phase three yet but maybe we can also circle back and see if there's more updates there. Are these meetings over the next couple of weeks and then get kind of a report back, or is it more important that we just try to support turning people out to these. Again, recognizing that this is like the next round. I'm thinking out loud here processing out processing externally sorry. So, well, I didn't hear any hesitancy at the meeting that I was at that people getting up and talking and their concerns, which we're getting people to these meetings were getting people other opportunities who who may not feel as comfortable as more what I'm concerned about Michael. Okay. Right, I mean, or was was there new people like you haven't seen at other meetings at them too. I don't know. But you know I think one of the highlights that we did notice the staff at this this first session in this winter session is that there weren't a lot of folks with families there. And because you know the timing of it was from 10 to 12. Well basketball was running. You know, and there was also a cross country meet outside and, you know, so for any number of reasons, you know, we just didn't get the draw for that population. I do following this meeting have an internal meeting with the team. So I can certainly mention it. Just to make sure that you know you're sort of still on the radar and, you know, so I think that trying to get you know a variety of folks from across the city there is still something that we can work on that being said you know there are two meetings in different mediums there's one that was all in person there's one that's a hybrid and then there's one that's fully. So, I'll just mention this because it's something I think about all the time is one of the one of the things that gets missed is often is when you're looking for family, you know, families to participate especially if it's in person and sometimes even on zoom is if they don't have childcare, they're not going to do it. And so, you know, it, and it's easy to overlook and say well if they really want to do it they'll figure it out but it that's to me a huge equity issue. I mean we even see it in the Justice Center where parents, you know, are participating with one of their children and then they've got three or four that are in the background and they're, you know, it's an issue. Yeah, I'm just thinking too about various ways in which you might solicit input from different groups within the community, I mean the these sessions are one thing. You know there's also other kinds of ways you can get that those opinions that are more diverse than whoever just shows up at a community meeting. And it's not to undo the processes already been laid out, because I think we're probably a little bit late to have a lot of influence in that but I'm just curious. When decisions are made. Maybe I don't know who makes the decision I apologize that I don't understand the process because I should understand it better but when decisions are made. Do the decision makers have a comprehensive understand from a range of perspectives in the community what matters to us with that development. That would be the guiding principle is is there anything there that we can help shape so that, because I mean, we're talking about housing like I want to hear from unhoused people about that I don't want to hear from folks like me, who are privileged white well off stable housing people. So that's an example so that's that's what I'm wondering about. What, what that triggers for me Jeremy is going where, you know, meeting them where they are. So where, who, where, who are the groups that are already meeting where, where are those people that we want to reach right it's it that's the perennial with us as well like how do we attract people with lived experience and from marginalized communities who have a totally different perspective of the criminal and justice system right like that I hear you and it takes a lot more effort to make you know first of all to identify then to like make the connections and then to for those of us with privilege to say oh I'll go to that place right like that's, that's, that's what it is. I think like, I had, you know, shared all of this stuff from our like equity assessment and like was like based on this here are some things that I think could be cool ideas of like having it available, you know the materials and the surveys available in different languages advertising to have one of the be simultaneously interpreted, you know, into like the most common languages spoken at Montpelier elementary school, you know had kind of some of these like specific outreach ideas that I don't, not that I'm like I had a hero's like my list and I expect them all to be implemented, but like I'm not, and like in the, in the stipends and other things I'm like I'm, I feel like those were all ideas that I had shared kind of as the C Jack chair and then I'm not seeing those implemented and so I think like we can circle back to, you know, feel like saying like I mean once tomorrow so I don't know what that means but right if, if, if what was the participation in those and if it's not reaching these key audiences that we identified in our equity assessment, then do we want to do some additional do we want to encourage them to do additional concerted outreach. I think yes, that wasn't a question, I think we want to ask them to do that additional concern outreach. Yeah, I think maybe it does make sense. I'm going to circle back with. I don't know who the right person is, or people are but just to be the constant voice of equity in this process. Because it's probably going to take multiple like reinforcements. Another issue, it was discussed the meeting I attended, if recreation center moves this new land. And there's a discussion what will happen they are buildings at downtown. So there are different ideas about it maybe it is good for our committee to follow that discussion. And to offer like more ideas from equity perspective to use those buildings because now they are talking about like office places. So, probably we can offer other ideas right for people who need, you know, to have some plays. But I think it is good for us to follow that discussion to not only new land, but also all buildings of recreation at the downtown and their future usage. Well, for one small observation here I guess it's a significant window. All the discussion that went on last Saturday was talking about the number of housing units in in various parts of the, this, this property and clustering, clustering them by size pretty much. There was no discussion that I heard, and you were there also Kelly so you about people who don't have who can't afford to buy any homes. And, and all and Carol that's your that's an important point that that that issue just did not come up. The assumption is that these are all going to be affordable housing, one way, not all but they'll be affordable housing sprinkled around the map or actually clustered around the map that was one of my objections that they were the plan. Three creates three separate social economic communities. People living in the high rise people living in the, the five plex and then the three plexes and then a few single family, lots. So, I was concerned about that, and at least mixing it up rather than segregating those those kinds of units, but I didn't hear anything about rental. In those discussions. And I'm not even sure that they were thinking about how these are going to be financed so they're going to be all rental or they're going to be all condominium eyes. That was an absence. There was an absence of discussion about that. That that's thanks for sharing that Michael because it makes me think of another possible role for C Jack so there. We've been talking about how can we influence outreach engagement who participates in the process. But I'm also wondering about our role as kind of reviewers with the equity lens like at some point further down the process when plans become more finalized is there an opportunity for us as a committee with our equity and justice hat on to actually review those plans and and point out just the thing that you're talking about Michael of. Well that doesn't really ring. That doesn't like this aspect of the plan. You know, there's some equity concerns here because of x y and z and not that we're experts in land development and and housing development, but we do have, I think we can ask good questions. Which could be useful to those development plans as they move further down the line. I mean too that there's somewhere that they are doing analysis about what type of housing the city actually needs right like who do they do they need housing for middle income folks that we know they need we need housing for homeless population. So like, and it seems to me that that would be information that developers would have and create their plans based on what the actual data says about what the city needs it's you know it really I don't think it's going to be coming from anecdotal information from, you know, people with with privilege with living work in Montpelier making the decision. I think it's going to be it's, you know, I'm part of business decision. Who, who are the developers you're attracting who are able to put together the plan that is going to best suit what the city actually needs. Yeah, good point. I, I've attended one of the housing discussion forum, and they mentioned in that I think it was like three weeks one month ago. Montpelier there's an interesting thing because most of the people, you know, living on the streets, they, they do this by choice. So they don't want to rent a house they don't want to. They don't want to live in a house, but they need some place to be safe and warm. So I thought it's very interesting because they were talking about other cities, but it's the Montpelier case. So people, you know, they, they choose to be live like that, but they need support. Right so it was very interesting to me to learn this fact. So what are our next steps here is it to bring Josh to, or like, we'll review the proposals after our next meeting and then bring back responses and feedback. Is that where we're at. I don't know if that's where we're at right now I think I think we should focus on the, the outreach engagement angle. Yes, my, my last comment was just like further down the line. Once the opportunity for public input maybe is less. We might want to review plans. Somewhat superficially probably but just looking out for any equity issues that we're fine that we're seeing but I think it's still the focus is on encouraging them to be more inventive around outreach. Yeah. So do we want to invite Josh to come in our next meeting and we can ask some of these questions about who has come to this meeting and how, how does that look like and yeah. And hear about how they think they did for outreach. Yeah. I do want to be mindful of time here for looking through the rest of the things thank you so much for getting us started pyramid but yeah is there anything else yeah I think we've got yeah for next steps for Elks Lodge. And I think this city council meetings are happening after the election. No pre election, haha. Yeah, I didn't I didn't quite understand that pre election timing. Can you remind me what why that is. No, no, I read it in my head as post election when I was reviewing it right now. It seems like we want to wait for the new crop to come in right. Yeah. I'm not involved in elections but I don't I don't think that's our role. And we can't. Okay to move it to post elections. Like yeah just like meeting with people right after they get elected. Okay and then for the next one for stipends I actually just got a message late last night from someone from Tom from the bridge about wanting to do an article about how the stipends are working and stuff and that he was talking to Kelly as well but continuing to get the word out about the stipends and how they're how they're working and then we have them for next budget does that make sense. Anything else on that. And then growing our committee, something I've really not been thinking much about and here we are q1. We probably should like this is why we haven't been recruiting for our committee and anything else and now that we have more of a sense of what our mission and our vision is as a committee and that we're sticking to our kind of initial plan we're not expanding it out. How do we want to grow our committee membership. The first thing that comes to mind and I I'll take this on as a task is, I think a quick, you know short kind of boilerplate blurb that we can use as notes and conversations or emails to individuals or groups. So it's, D Jack is mission is this we have some successes that we can point to as a committee that I think could get people excited and we have some things that we're still focusing on. So that's how I'm thinking about just a brief description of the committee and a call for for new members. And I think it's, I mean we've done these things before but it's still working our contacts in the community like, hey, you would be a good fit for this, or do you know anyone who can be a good fit. I'm also thinking of different groups that I'm aware of that it might be useful to send these kinds of, you know calls out to. I mean that's other than that I don't have any other kind of outreach ideas I don't think that's good. Do you have any thoughts here too, or anyone else. Sorry, but. I apply to this committee because I saw the announcement on front porch forum. Yeah, so it will be another way all like try right spreading the word posts on there so people might be aware that we are looking for new members. I applied because I went to apply for the public restroom committee. This was posted next to that I was like, oh, I'll just click both boxes and here we are and the public restroom committee still hasn't met so funny how that works. You made a good choice. Yeah, I think so. It was funny. Ready for the public restroom committee to finally meet. That's good. Good memories. And still people need to use the rest. Yeah, after all these years. Do we, did we skip over this one about updating the committee application process. Did I miss, did I miss you mentioning that one. No, I skipped right past it. I forget we had a specific thought about that but I cannot remember it. So this was Lauren and of incorporating the stipend application in with the committee application and getting demographic information like now it after it's done you can click the button and then fill out demographic information, but very few people who are filling out applications do. I think this is like something we just like have to be the watchdog for this and like making sure like keeping this on our plan to make sure this happens but this is not. I think something that we have to lead on if that makes sense to Kelly. Maybe let's check in with Lauren about this because I do think this was right. Michael you're looking skeptical or maybe that's can't remember what I think if we if we want to review the app. Look at it and see what what it is that we think is missing or is unnecessary. Just so that we can make some specific kinds of recommendations if that's what it is. I don't remember any specific comments about that at all and I don't think I recorded any in the minutes. I remember we talk about there is like questions about education. People might find it like an obstacle to apply. So we talk about people who have experience might be beneficial to our committee we don't. We talk about or should we you know get rid of that education section or like oh your job and relation instead of oh I have a lived experience right so I remember those things from our discussion so making application itself more accessible for people who have ideas to apply instead of oh I don't have enough education I don't have enough for experience. I think if you're just asking an open ended question that is what what do you believe you would bring to the group, you know, based on what the charge is for the committee then, you know, that removes the stigma and allows people to answer in the way that they want to or can and then you don't have to, you know, have an evaluation based on those other items. That's great thanks for reminding us Pellan. I wonder if a task for us is an upcoming meeting to review the application together and make some offer some comments about how we can make it more accessible. Kelly, can we do this only for our committee but or it should be for what what's the procedure about it. Shane I'm muted. I'm playing the application overall like I don't think it's a separate application for any committee. Well then city should change or. Yeah, all applications. Right. I just bring up to that one of one of our newer volunteers emailed actually emailed Kelly to ask if if they stipend was available to CJC volunteers and it's not because the policy is that it's only for city appointed volunteers. So, that's a thing. And, you know, if it, I mean, to be honest, like we've got 50 volunteers, if it were that we needed to have all of our volunteers appointed by city council, it would really slow down, you know, the onboarding and getting people ready to be able to actually participate in our on our panels. But I just wanted to raise that because you know he was asking the question, and he indicated that he would not ask for the stipend but he was just curious about whether it was available to our volunteers. And so that's really the skipping down there to the budget disbursement and this is something else that Lauren raised up is that we have more budget in between CJAC budget and the stipends we have more than we're going to be able to spend this year. And there's this request from all these other committees for doing trainings and we're like we're not doing trainings but we want to support other people for doing trainings. And then also can we use this stipend money for not just city committee participation but for these other opportunities for participating in the Elks Lodge project or just like what you're talking about. I don't know what that like I don't know do we want to put together like a proposal for what that would look like and then bring that to city budget people or what the process for that would be. Well that feels like a one time action, based on a surplus this fiscal year. Carol your comment. It's for me is we created the stipend program as a pilot. It started in July, we're coming up on July. Well, eventually. And I think we need to build some process of evaluating the pilot and making some decisions around how it evolves moving forward because Carol to your point. We had to put some boundaries around the program as a pilot. But we're going to have the opportunity, you know, a year out to evaluate its effectiveness. And we can take into consideration questions about was it about only appointed committee people or other other volunteer situations where it really makes sense to offer that stipend. I think there's there's two issues there there's the, we've got reserve we've got surplus, can we use that money, however we want. And in July, we need to build a little bit of a process around just evaluating the pilot pilot. I appreciate that. And, you know, I think especially for this committee, and committees like the homelessness task force like if you want people with lived experience right we want those people to show up and it's the same thing with our panels. You know our panels in our COSA teams it's just if you can offer that, then there's an ability to make it realistic for a lot of people that we aren't going to get who are just going to respond to a front porch forum post. And just to clarify, I do think this was thinking about this year but then also like changing how C. Jack is budgeted, and so that we can kind of lump some and then we can say this is for stipends and for training offering trainings to other commit you know we can like have it be more flexible funds essentially that we can just spend on like equity stuff. And more for it for the public for committees and you know and recognizing that city staff has their own line item budget for that professional development equity work. Yeah. And then for creating a list of trainers Pellan you started that what's the next step for that do you want us to review that. Is it bringing in other experts. Maybe, as a comedy, we can check those things that I received a couple more I can share them with you. And I receive names, not the company so I can also share with them. I think we should decide. I don't know, budget issues or something you know because each one I think charges differently so I don't know what do you want do you want to pick only one company or person, then go from there. So I definitely think we want to offer many different options for folks right because I think that's the problem that people have been saying I found I found this group and I reached out to them and they can't do it because they're booked up through next year and yeah I've also got a run but okay. Um, let's continue. Okay, so I think we've got on our next meeting agenda. We are going to invite Josh to come. We're going to review the committee application. And finalize our review of ongoing education next steps for our strategic plan. So that's all good. Yeah, can we also just clarify because I can work with Mary Smith on getting the calendar invitation if it's yeah if we meet every other week or if it's twice a month. I mean, it's been every other week so I think let's just continue doing that so that next one would be February 15. Okay, so I will. So I will just connect with Mary just to make sure that that goes out to everybody on the list and that it's, you know, for like the next six months that it's on the calendar. Yeah, thank you. I need to go to so. Yeah, and I send that out loud. Okay, and Josh speak. And committee application. Okay. You're feeling better soon. I'm feeling so much better. I'm not, I don't like have a fever or anything anymore but this cough just will not quit and I got like real drugs for it and it's not anything so thank you. Was it COVID? No, it's just a cold. I tested negative for everything. Wow. Knocked me out for a full week. Yeah. Take care of yourself. Thanks. Drink a lot of tea. Yeah. Thanks all. Thank you.