 Welcome, everybody, and thank you for, we're off indeed, Debbie. Thank you for joining us today. Thank you for joining the OpenEd SIG for one of our webinars, and we're delighted to bring you today Mahabali from Cairo, all the way from Cairo in Egypt, who's going to talk to us about the process she has been engaged in as she prepares for next week's OER 17. A crucial moment for the Open Education Community. Great, we have Mark from California. Isn't it something like 3 a.m. in California, Mark? Thank you for coming along. It's wonderful to have such a rich community, and yeah, rich has nothing to do with money, you know. I've discovered that over the years. I think, near the age of retirement, I've realized that richness is so much more than money. As I was mentioning before, this is the year of open, so we're particularly thinking about openness this year more than ever, and thinking about how important it is that despite whatever local conditions we may have in our contexts, whether it's in our schools or our institutions, within our countries nationally, whatever those contexts, education needs to reach beyond borders. Education needs to reach all people, and learning and learning opportunities need to reach all people. I'm so overawed with Christian joining us as well. It's wonderful to have you all in the webinar today. Fabulous. So I'm also going to remind you that this week is Open Education Week, and this event, along with many, many other international events that are happening with a focus on openness, are listed on the Open Education Week website, so please do take a look and explore that. All you have to do is Google Open Education Week, and look out for the hashtag Open Education Week, hashtag Open Education WUKWK, on Twitter as well, to see what's going on and to engage and to think and talk about Open. France is welcome. Good to see so many of you here. It's really exciting, and I'm so glad that we managed to boot up the hamsters to get our collaborate room working today. Thanks to Martin for that. So I hope you've made your introductions. You've got to meet each other a little bit within the chat there and explore the interface a little bit. Here's what we're here for, and we're here to meet Maha. Let me tell you a little bit about my own experience of meeting Maha, because just to give you a little bit of context, I'm sure we've all got stories about how we've met Maha as well, and do share them in the chat. I met Maha really through another online connection, Simon Ensar, who I've worked with for the past few years, connecting students for language learning. And Simon is very, very good at networking, and he introduced me to Maha. And as I explored and as I read her blog, I really felt I got to know Maha, not just as a person who is passionate about education and learning and a person who is open-minded and willing to engage with people beyond her immediate context using digital tools for that, which is maybe not surprising given her background in education technology as well. But also, I felt through her blog, I felt I was getting to know Maha as a real person. And at that point, I realized that the virtual connecting part was really just a bridge into adding yet another exciting and engaging and interesting educator into my wealth of personal learning network that has come with connecting. And I'm sure many others have had that experience as well. But I have to mention that when I went to ALT one year to an ALT conference one year, Maha and I, unbeknown to ourselves, were staying in the same hotel. We actually shared a lift on the way to ALT one morning. And I looked at this lady and thought, I know you. I know you from somewhere. But I thought, no, no, no, I'm just, I'm thinking that might be Maha, but why would it be? Why would I? So, yes, I resisted saying anything in a very English way. You know, you don't approach people until you know who they are. And then, of course, we bumped into each other for real. And I watched Maha present at ALT. And what a fabulous, what a fabulous speaker. And I'm so delighted that she's speaking at OER 17 because I know we're going to learn so much from her. I've learned so much from her already. And I know she's not only a wonderful person, she's a great mum. And as many of the women in this room will be very familiar with, and the men, let's say, let's not be sexist, she's very used to juggling the demands of career and children as well. So I'm delighted to have her with us today. I'm going to pass over to Maha now and do a quick check and make sure your audio is OK, Maha. And we're really excited to hear all about your personal perspective on open practice that I know you've been working on using your blog in preparation for the OER 17 keynote next week. So Maha, we can see you. That's lovely. Salamu alaykum. Can you hear me? Yes, we can indeed. Thank you for the very, very, very warm introduction, Teresa. It feels very different when you feel like someone's introducing you and they actually know you. So they're not just reading off a bio. And I love so much what you shared. I did think you were going to talk about the elevator story first before you said how we got online. But it actually makes more sense to say how long we've known each other online before. I mean, they've been a lot of the people in this chat I've met online. And there's a couple of my face-to-face with a little like transit. And I'm really excited to be an OER 17 child with. And when Teresa invited me, this was very honored. And then at the same time, I was like, oh my god, one more presentation to prepare ahead of the conference. And then I also realized that I actually had a little bit more time to present this than I have at the keynote itself. So I can't preview the keynote, girls. I could actually just finish staying the entire keynote. So instead, I'm going to talk about my process of doing the keynote. I'm usually looking at the chat while I'm talking. So if you want me to answer something right away, I might notice it and answer it as I go. And that's my Twitter handle in case you don't already know it. So the first feeling I got when I was invited to OER 17 was I felt like an imposter. And there's a lot of reasons, I think, for that. I think it's one of the things that most academics have. Anyway, I think going through a PhD makes you more imposter-y because you're suddenly given this title that people are supposed to now expect you to be an expert at something, but you're still the same person you were the day before you got your PhD, which was the least senior person in your environment, pretty much, except for the beginner PhD students. But with the OER specifically, I felt very imposter-y because I knew there were so many other people who had so much more experience with OPEN, who did so much for OPEN, and who, even in terms of activism, do a lot more than I do. And there are a lot of people who have institutional support for OPEN and so are able to do a lot more than I do. So this is a bit difficult. And I keep thinking, oh my god, well, I have. I mean, I was invited, I think, in August or September. So I've had a lot of time to build up these imposter-y feelings. And I keep thinking, well, I could be using this time to read more. And then I keep telling myself, no, but they didn't invite me because they wanted me to prepare for the keynote. They invited me because at that moment in time, they thought I would add value to the keynote. And I kept trying to think, what is it that's unique that I've got to ask? And I still don't know if what I've got to add is new, but you're going to have to listen to it anyway. And if the keynote is whatever comes out of the keynote, I'd love a chance to get to talk to everybody outside of the keynote. And for me, that's the privilege of being invited, is that I can get to talk to everybody else outside of my own keynote. It was fun preparing it, but I think more importantly, just being in the same room as people and being able to talk to you afterwards and beforehand. And if you're staying at the hotel and if you're free in the evening, I'd love to sit and talk to people at lunch whenever you guys are free. And so, yeah, I did reflect on my homework on Gopin over the last year. And I did realize that I'd do a few things. And I'll talk about it, too, within the keynote. But the keynote is going to be about a lot of things that go wrong when we go for open, but at the same time, trying not to discourage people from trying it, even though these mistakes will happen. And a lot of you might have seen my blog post on fixing the short response to trousers, which is, and I solicited from people ideas of stories that they can share related to open education or education in general, where sometimes trying to fix something creates a different problem and that sharing these stories will maybe help us all learn from them. And I also started to think about, you know, I've done some work which was on last year on self at OER. And I think in some ways, since I'm being open, it's just an attitude or a way of being that isn't necessarily something that works for everyone. And that works for me offline as well. And so, I'm so open that I can barely keep a secret. Like telling me I'm doing a keynote like six months before this keynote is happening and telling me how to stay quiet about it for three months or something, that was just really, really hard. And what I would do is I would tell some very cool people, I have a keynote, but I can't tell you where it is. And I can't tell you what it's about, but I have a keynote. You know, that kind of thing that I tell people and I think they have no idea what really or something seems to have someone to tell if there's something happening to me. And I'm also so open that every time I have an idea for the keynote, I have to share it. And that means that I change my mind a lot because sometimes I share an idea and people give me feedback and then they'll help me change my mind. And so, that's actually a pretty cool thing, even though not necessarily, the people commenting weren't necessarily going to be the people at the keynote, but it's still helpful to know what other people think about when I'm thinking of the moment to see how receptive they are. So there was a blog post that I wrote about the Mr. Men and the Miss series of books and that got a lot of good responses. And one of the first things I thought about my keynote was something related to that series. And vlogging about it just made me more comfortable going ahead and keeping that in the keynote because I know now that this is something that seems to resonate with people and they won't think I'm being silly. Hopefully, I mean, hopefully, a lot of people won't think I'm silly. Maybe if she was, that's okay. Those who have kids or who interacts with kids or remember being kids themselves, which hopefully all of us do, hopefully we'll find something there for them. And so, I think I have maybe six blog posts or something related to the keynote, one of which Sheila helped me go ahead and write about when vanity in the keynote about what you wear for the keynote. And right now, I'm writing this post for a prop hacker. I collected stories from people about mishaps that have lost into the main keynote. So people whose luggage cups lost, like Lauren Ternovich, which happened at the LC Conventory I met Teresa, her luggage got lost and she had to go buy new clothes and I, before her keynote and things like that. So I'll hopefully I'll publish that soon as well. And in general, from what I said so far, like I took a more process orientation towards how I wanted the keynote to look and to be and to feel, there's a lot of content in it because I've had six months to prepare. So I have like, I don't know, 50 pages of content or something, the idea, I think about so much time to post quotes and ideas and then trying to organize them and trying to make them fit into 35 minutes is actually quite difficult. I speak really fast, as you can see, but it's still a lot. And to put the term you, what was more important but I don't want to keynote this broadcast. So I don't want to be brought like, I don't want to talk to 35 minutes like I'm talking right now. And I wanted to have more interaction with the audience. I want to have more interaction with the virtual folks. I wanted to have a lot of questions but also a lot of people thinking about what they want to do. And sometimes you go to a keynote and it's hammering so many ideas into your head that you get overwhelmed. And that still might happen in mine, I'm not sure. I also want to see that there's a way for people to feel like the keynote is useful in some way to them and adding some value. And I've got at the end of the keynote I've got a Google Form asking for feedback, for example, for people from what they want, what they found was valuable and what they would have liked to have in the keynote that were up in there. And during the keynote I'm going to ask some people like Christiana and Sheila actually who volunteered some of their stories to actually just gonna walk in with the audience and talk to them about, ask them to share some stories. And I've got little, just little things where hopefully people will participate in our other parts where I'm just talking for stretch because Julie's like, we want to hear you, we don't want to hear everyone else. I don't mind people sharing images on my slide. Someone's asking. Oh, I don't want to be broadcast. No, I don't mind being broadcast. I'm on all over YouTube. Francis was asking about that. No, I'm all over YouTube. I don't mind being broadcast. I mean, I don't want to be one way. That's why I'm on my broadcast. I know if I wanted to be more interactive with the story. Yeah. Yeah, that's more of what I mean. So I don't mind people sharing the slides. I've actually got a link that isn't up yet. I scheduled it to appear just before my keynote that has a link to my Google slides that are commentable. So people can post comments on my slides if they don't want to ask a question out loud or if they're virtual. And they could post the comments there and I'll respond to them asynchronously. Obviously they could also tweet to the hashtag I'm imagining that the hashtag at the end of the keynote is gonna be, my ad mentors might be too many. I'm being very optimistic here, obviously. But I know a lot of my friends tweet, so I'm assuming people will do that. But I thought people can post questions or comments on the slides and then that way I can respond to those over time and it could be a conversation that goes on beyond the 35 minutes, hopefully. So that's kind of what I'm hoping for. And we're also doing a virtually connecting session that same day at the second half of lunch, so virtual folks and anyone else who wants to come and listen to that conversation can join that as well. Hopefully, yeah, this is not too overwhelming for people, but anyway, I'm keeping a lot of the content secret, but I've shared little parts of the content with different people. Some will be at the keynote something long with some people like my mom and gotten feedback on them. And that sort of helps me with my confidence a little bit. I'm a pretty confident person, but this imposter thing is pretty difficult to get over. And then one of the things that I thought about was that I wanted to make the keynote sort of like choose your own adventure type of keynote and let people work together and do things and Josie and Aline and Rebecca and like, almost everyone was like, no, you're all about the inclusion of underrepresented voices. I remember what Aussie was like. I was, maybe there were like three people of color in the entire conference, that's a bigger conference than we are. And they were like, you know, the inclusion of underrepresented voices then interacting with the others in the room is just reproducing the privilege of the white, probably the white men because men are often more confident to speak up or you know, to more confident people. And so what I've done is first of all, there's a lot of people for whites who are underrepresented in different ways or marginalized in different ways or have confidence issues or who require help to be included as well. But the other things I've done is, first of all, in my call for ideas for the shirts and trousers problem, let me explain that quickly so people have another block post. Basically, it's an Egyptian expression that came out of a comedy play where the person is saying, actually was quoted it. It says, I came to fix my jacket and I spoiled my trousers. And I was thinking of examples of that that happened with open education, they tried to solve a problem and create a new one. And so I asked particular, there are some people who posted their answers with comments on my blog, some sent them privately and some that I solicited. And I made sure that there was some representation of men and women and people inside and outside the room in that set of people. So I solicited some people who didn't do it naturally. And the other thing is throughout my keynote, I tried as much, I tried in the beginning, it didn't work very well, but I tried in the beginning as much as possible, quotes only people who were not normally quoted a lot in these contexts, who are people of color or women who are outside of the US in the UK. And I think I've done a relatively good job with that. I will still end up quoting some other people because they do good work. There's no reason not to quote them just because they have some from which. But I've learned from them all. But I also did define value in making the efforts to find voices that were different from what we were used to seeing. And also, from bringing some theory and some ideas from totally outside the sex field. So something that I learned about through my PhD, something that was shared with me completely outside of the idea of open educational or educational technology. And to try to bring those in. And still in the end, when I talk about all this, even the underrepresented voices that get presented are usually the ones who can speak English. They're usually the ones who have a level of privilege that allows them to be in that third space that can reach more people. So it's never gonna be perfect, I think, but I tried to do that and I still hope, hopefully there'll be still some interaction between what I didn't want it to be. The other thing I realized, and I don't know if this is the case for other people, and you can tell me in the chat, Lucille, when I was invited to participate as a keynote speaker, I became more confident to participate in conversations that other people were having about open education, which I didn't realize that I was less confident about before. So for example, there was a conversation between Jim Groom and Mike Coffield, and I can't remember who else. Maybe more than one. So three pretty big names in the field. I thought something and I was sort of, I had a different view than all of them. And I decided to write a blog post and a very strong one and I felt like, yeah, I could have an opinion about this, even in front of a coffee experience. I'm not a keynote speaker, they don't know that yet. But I can sort of participate in those conversations and that helps me a lot. And when you take that step of participating in a conversation in that more authoritative way or something, it sort of allows you to take more risks and say more than you normally would have and feel like, yeah, I think there's a thing that you should listen to me. Whereas before I always felt, oh, how nice of you to listen to me. You know, oh, look, Jim Groom retweeted my thing but it replied to me. You know, I remember I was there like three years ago and just last summer I co-presented with Jim Groom. So just to kind of, one of the key things about both and participatory of online learning is that you can be nobody. And then within two or three years you're a keynote speaker and that's just amazing for me to be here. I still can't believe that's where I've gotten in this very short amount of time. And I'll share something at the very end also about why that's like a really big deal to me. And again, I'm recognizing my natural sexuality in all this. So yes, I'm a woman. Yes, I'm from this part of the world here in Egypt. But at the same time I have a lot of privilege. I learned, I did my master's online. I did my PhD remotely. So I had a lot of experience working online before I came to this. Before I had a blog, before I was open. And having a PhD, having a good English, being in an institution that is one of the best in my country, all of that is a lot of power that I have. Thank you, Kelly. And at the same time I'm very small in my institution. I mean, people, I'm very talkative and friendly and I've been here for a while and people like me and everything. But I'm really tiny in terms of the amount of power I have locally. Besides my personality, I don't have a lot of power. I'm not the lowest person on the ladder, but I'm not very high on the ladder. I'm not tenure track for American institutions, so I'm not tenure track. And I'm at the Center for Learning and Teaching rather than at another department. Yes, I'm faculty, so that's something good. I teach one course a semester and a half, of course. But so, and so sometimes, you know, I was just talking to a bar in Cating's this morning about how a lot of us appear online to be slightly bigger than we actually are in real life. Someone recently went, when they did the, what's up with the laptop then? That's a global teacher. I think her name is Lisa, Lisa Turner. She said, senior academic coming from Egypt isn't gonna be able to bring her laptop. They're like, I'm not senior. I'm a senior in what way? I could be flatter, but you think I'm senior as a position or something. Or I could be like really offended that you think I'm that old. But I don't think she meant it. I think she just meant, you know, I'm keynote speaker, but she's calling out senior. But you know, I'm just saying, you know, in my face-to-face contact, I'm not that big of a view. So, just that. And the other thing is, it's very difficult to finish the keynote by keep changing it every day. Every day I talk to someone, I'll find something else. She likes saying she thinks women are correct when I do the treatment. Yeah, it's probably the case maybe the man here could share. And Kelly's saying, I think working in the open we define suspiciousness as a power. I agree completely. And I think Bonnie Stewart's research shows that, right? She shows, you sort of get a new power structure that's semi-parallel. It's not completely parallel because it's not completely different. There are some people who are powerful everywhere, but there are a few of us who are very small in our real-life conflicts, but who gets this opportunity to do it outside. And I'll talk a little bit about that in the keynote. So there was open 1917, but I think coming from Virginia, just an open online course, and someone told me about it, and I said, oh, do you need someone to still pay the week? Because now I'm a keynote speaker, I can actually offer that. I can tell, oh, by the way, you know people think I know something about open, so if you want me to do something, I'll do it for you. So that was very funny. We're getting in there, and I still paid a week, I still paid a week on open access. I tried to build with one of our guests over the Hangouts for that. And I think Debbie joined one of the Hangouts and did a totally global in South Africa, which is another open event. Well, I know they had 16 last year, obviously, also. So I'm learning every time I get into a conversation about any of these things. I see things on Twitter, I have Hangouts with people, and I learned new things about open that I didn't know about, or they changed my mind about something. And I feel like, well, that fits with what I wanted to say, and I keep adding it. Or I realize, oh, no, everybody's talking about that, so it's nothing new, maybe I shouldn't talk about it. And I'm very lucky with virtually connecting, which I don't know how many people in the room are aware of virtually connecting. It's basically a way to, I mean, if you're like, if you do, I know if I'm not doing it. It's just a way for people who cannot be at a conference to be able to have conversations with people at the conference virtually via Google Hangouts. So unlike this room where there's a privilege to the person speaking who is me, and everyone else needs some sort of permission, I think, to speak. I'm not sure maybe you can also speak if you wanted to, but with Google Hangouts, there's only 10 people, so it's limited in terms of not with people there, but usually anyone can speak whenever they want to. And virtually connecting, well, we have a presentation on it at the conference, inshallah, and we just published a post on the OER 17 blog explaining what it is, because one of the barriers is participating in it. We're trying to make it more inclusive, and one of the barriers, is people don't even understand what it is. Or, and I think it was Yushio, who was saying on, I think, Martin or Orphan's blog, that you, I first imagined that virtually connecting was just for academic people, and it might be just that we say academic conferences, but we don't really mean that, we just mean at-tech education conferences that we go to. And the whole thing started because I have, because of being a mom of a young child who's older now, but once she was very young, it was very difficult for me to travel and leave her behind or take her with me. Either way, it was pretty complicated. And there were really conferences where I had several presentations with a lot of people who I collaborate with online, and being on Twitter is just one and nothing anymore. Now, Sheila's saying that she's going to virtually connecting with them for the likes of them. And this is why in the blog post we published, we mentioned, and you know, we put a post, you know, we put the, I think we embedded it. The last year, it opened up in OER 16, we had one with Katherine Cronin and Jim Groom, where they were sharing these headphones. And they were, you know, Katherine and Jim, if you've ever talked to them outside of their keynote, or even Jim inside of keynote, they're very informal people. And the people on the hangout were very informal as well. And because we have virtually connecting as almost as many conferences that we can handle, like for a team of over 100 people. And so whenever someone's going to a conference and anyone else is interested in being at the conference, we get to have these conversations. And so it keeps us all who can participate and anyone else who wants to join us up to date with what's going on everywhere. So I don't have to go to a lot of conferences every year to know what's happening, to have my finger on the pulse of something like OER or open at 16. And I didn't have to travel to do that. And that's one of the great things about open is the great thing about online. And it has so much power, it can be so empowering for those of us who can access it. And the key for a thing that we think about a lot is how to ensure that those who might benefit from it to have the access to it, kind of like what Teresa was saying at the beginning in terms of the goals, I think of the open aspect, right? And so if you're interested in participating in virtually connecting at OER or 17, whether you're on-site, if you're on-site, let me know or tweet to be connected. If you're virtual, was this the color it gave you, Teresa? Anyways, this is also the Slash OER 17 BC. That's just a link to our website, which says which sessions are happening at which time, and there's a sign-up form. And you can join a particular session. That's great. Yeah, the colors change to the template that we have for the open-ed state, I'm afraid. So your links are now green from your slides, but that's just the template from our... Oh, I wrote it in the chat. I'll be easier for people to click. So those of you who can't make it, you'll find out which sessions we're having with them. And those of you who are on-site, you can walk in and take a look at a session taking place. Christianne is one of our, Christianne Friedrich is here, we're looking at is one of our buddies, so is Teresa. We have sessions with them. We have sessions with Sheila. We have sessions with Martin Coxe. And we have all the keynotes. And I've invited a lot of other people, and it's okay, some people aren't comfortable with it, so it's totally okay if they don't want to join. But if you're interested, you can join and you can watch both virtually on-site. And we also have a presentation. So you can also come and listen to the focus groups, you know, the results of focus groups we've been doing about inclusivity and so on. It's a lot of it, if you're all up, it's open education in general, not just virtually connecting. So I think it could be a nice session for others. Yeah, I have other things. Sorry to interrupt you, Mahadeva, but I have to say virtually connecting as an additional channel within the conference is really, really welcome. It's, you know, I know that I've spoken to people at all about this before, but it's just, it's like opening the window to everybody. And it's that sort of informal contact that you have as a result of either watching or participating in virtually connecting sessions that really helps you extend your learning network and understand people and see a different aspect to people as well that makes them, brings them closer. So really grateful to you for taking that initiative and making it available. And it's a big team of people. So I co-founded this with Rebecca Hogue and then also became my co-director with us and we have a large range of people. Some of them are very committed. One of them is Simon Enser, who introduced Teresa and me to each other. And he's one of our virtual buddies actually for helping me with this event to happen. I think it's one of the sessions, Teresa has Martin Hoxie as a guest and John Robertson, and then I think Simon is a virtual person for that. But Sheila was saying virtually connecting to us on the 10th, and look what I have. I made this. This one is a picture of Rebecca and me and Martin Hoxie and Martin Muller as both of these are virtually connected to each other. And I love that you can see it very well. It's our Twitter picture. And then on the other side it has the logo. So if you see the logo, we're trying to figure out how to let people know where we are because we don't know where we're going to be on site. But you can see the virtually connected accounts or as you see this logo is on Marvel's probably doing something with it. The other thing is, while we were doing the focus groups for virtually connecting, a lot of people said, well, people who join virtually get a chance to talk to the keynote speaker in a very intimate environment. And then people who are on site don't get that chance. We've heard that criticism before, but it was elaborated on. And what I was thinking of is, I'm going to this event where, inshallah, I already know around 50 people. I know because I counted them because I'm giving them gifts. So I know that there are 50 people on site, at least that I know. That I know not only like they follow me on Twitter, but as in I talked to them, there are some of them are very close friends, some of them are acquaintances, but I know them. And then there are other people at the conferences that I don't know that I'd like to meet. And how do I, as a keynote speaker, let people know that I'm accessible to them during the conference? And one of the things I did was make sure that I presented other sessions so that there are smaller groups of people and they feel like they can come closer to me. So other than walking around during my keynote, being in two other sessions means that people will have a chance to see me up close and talk to me before or after that if they wanted. It ends up being too much of my time that it's not free for me to walk around, but it also means people will know where I am at any point in time, or at some point in time. Maha, we just seem to have lost your audio at the moment. And because of the system we've got that it's back. Yeah, it's back. Yeah, it should just rethink. So it'll still be caught in the recording. Did I talk too much? Did I talk too much? Which part of the show? Which part did you not hear? Oh, what happened? You felt pretty fast. I said, I typed, I'll tell you why I typed. I typed because I don't know how to say Marianne's name. And so I typed this in Mr. Kim, and I think that's why I lost audio. It's hurtful. Can you hear me now? No. Yeah, absolutely. No? No worries about pronunciation. I think that's Maureen. It's like an Irish spelling of Maureen, yeah? Maureen. Okay. So that's good to know. I'm going to have to tell the virtual buddies who are going to be voting her session. It's a Gaelic name, yes, I thought so. Because I'm going to make a little joke during the keynote, but you guys can have a preview of it. Christian already knows this, but you'll usually say my name wrong. My name is not Maureen, it's Maureen. And it's not difficult to say. It's just Maureen, it's just Maureen, and I look at the vowel sounds. Hi, Pauline, did you want to ask, I think? Okay, I guess maybe not. Just see, yeah, somebody picked a mic up there, but okay. Well, Pauline, did you want to say anything? No, I'm sorry, I was trying to mute my mic because the telephone went, I did it the wrong way around. Stop it, Pauline, is this Pauline Ridley? That's great. We all have these names, so we all have the same problem with my name as well, but there you go. I don't know how to do anything with it. Because the S and Z are the three of us, Teresa. Teresa, yeah. Yeah, it is, but yeah, I don't know. Yeah, I don't know. Right, now I know. Okay, I'm about to finish, actually. Yeah. So I'm about to finish this, and then hopefully you take questions if people have any questions. I just keep working on this, just reminds me of the harder work of making open community culture open more locally. So I think when people talk about my activism, I think my activism is very incomplete in that sense. I mean, it's not, I don't want to evangelize for open in ways that don't make sense locally, and I'm gonna talk a little bit about why it doesn't always make sense to evangelize for open. But also, it's back to what it is about open participatory online learning. It's much easier just to make a difference there. So doing something like virtually connecting was actually much easier for me than to get people here to adults like an open access policy. I'm still working on it, but it takes so much more time and effort and there's so institutions, there's so much more complex. And again, like being not the person in power, working with the little people to try to make it a big change takes time. But we also have an access to knowledge for development team over here. And they do a lot of great work. It's just that we're not always doing the same work. So it's always something to think about. And this quote from Sarah Ahmed reminds me of why I'm open. And so we always need the spaces outside the institutional spaces to be able to talk about the problems that are happening in our institutions. And that's what helps me survive. Like I wouldn't be able to survive without Twitter and virtually connecting now. Because that otherwise I'd be just talking to myself and just discovering that these people exist out there and that I can talk to them. And we are different in so many dimensions, but in our hearts and in our minds, we're very much in the same space. And, you know, Teresa started this just before we went live, I think, talking about where the data's were written. And I remember how I felt when the Brexit vote came out and I remember how I felt when Trump won. And I think I was very much empathizing with what you guys were all feeling at the time. And yes, of course, my Facebook is pretty filtered. I know one person who voted for Brexit in my entire Facebook feed. Trump has a different story. It was in my laptop right now, but all of my American friends are anti-Trump, obviously. Because probably if they, so a lot of those, you know, don't worry, let's not talk about that. But then, and then when the laptop then happened, I had so many offers from people. I did a hashtag, run me a laptop. I don't need a laptop on time. But I was just making fun of what was happening. And it's not funny for other people. I can survive on Google's live on my phone. But most people who travel for business, whether they're from this part of the world or the arts, are being disempowered by this. And putting the laptop and the public in check baggage is, as far as I know, a very bad idea. It could get damaged, it could get lost, and often gets sold. So it's not really an option for most people. But I did get a lot of offers from people. Oh, we just lost you temporarily again. I hope that's going to come back any second. I get on the day. There we go, it's rethinking. And since it's a thing, it's a little bit more suspicious, you can always see it. Yeah. You are indeed. Am I back now? Yeah. I think it doesn't like it when I look at the tech chat. When I touch the tech chat, we will have to. It's not a multitasking. We don't understand what the tech chat is. We always have to battle with the bandwidth, don't we? There's so many things going on. And I think that's really crucial to what you're saying about openness as well, isn't it? Yeah. We need open spaces because we need to be able to be free to think. And everybody in the room has reacted to that quotation that you just shared with us. Open spaces matter to us, whether it's blogging in the open, tweeting openly, connecting with people. They matter because we're human. We don't always want to be somewhere that belongs to someone else. And I think that's really crucial in what you're saying. And I love this slide, Baha. Sorry, I'm going to pass back to you. No, that's just a slide. I mean, there wasn't anything in particular I was going to say about it, except that I keep outing people to it. And I keep realizing that I forgot someone important. I think I forgot Audrey at some point. How could you forget Audrey Waters when you fly like that? But there's also a lot of people here that you might not recognize, and that's important too, because there was, I think, some research, maybe the funny story so much, where people often retweet or promote the work of people who are more famous or more known than them. And I think that's something to know. Someone like Audrey doesn't really need to treat her so she's more or less. So there's a lot of people out there whose ideas and thoughts are really, really helping you learn. And I think more people would benefit from learning from them. And a lot of them are on these pictures including colleagues in my face-to-face environment on the right top right over there. And even though a lot of them aren't officially open educators in the ways that we understand them, but they are open educators in different ways, and that matters as well. And some of them are not open for very big reasons. And that has helped me learn a lot too about why I shouldn't be already evangelizing. And I know I'm still evangelizing, but it sort of helps me think about it a little bit more critically and more tertially. And again, a lot of these people who are open and a lot of people like trans as well are very critical about how they're being helped by people like Katherine Cohn. And a lot of people on these slides as well are critical of it. And so I was hoping to find colleagues who feel like I'm doing the Oscars and forgetting someone, but. And this is a preview of, you can't see anything on it now because I'm gonna publish just before my keynote goes off. And I've got my slides and the video stream and the survey at the end asking people feedback on this link. Hopefully it will work. And then it'll be easier for people to follow the slides if they prefer that and put comments if they want it to. And I'll stop talking now and listen to you guys. Thank you for having me. Wow, the force, the power of the person that is Mahabali has just been bestowed upon us. I feel like I'm still steaming. My brain is still steaming trying to catch up with the things that are coming out here. It's just amazing. Thank you so much, Maha. And there's so much there as well, sort of watching the chat as it went through and listening to you as well. There's so much there that was particularly empowering for people and it's great to have that. It's like plugging into a battery. This is what I've been hoping for for OER 17 that I can meet up with that community of individuals. And as you say, we're open in different ways at different times in different contexts, but we share those important values and we share that commitment to education and learning that goes much more broad than just learning from a particular institution or a particular individual. So it's so great to see Erica then saying, right, I am an open educator. Now I know what I am. That's wonderful and yeah, very inspiring. And thank you so much for coming today and for leading us through that process you've been going through around open. I'm going to finish us off today just with the headlines really of who the Open Ed SIG are. We're a special interest group. We're supported by ALT and without their support, we couldn't organize events such as we're doing today. So very grateful to ALT for supporting us, but we are a totally open community. You don't have to be an ALT member in order to participate in the Open Ed SIG. The only login you'll ever need is if you wish to post on a forum and really as you can understand, that's really just about making sure that we know who we're talking to. But the Open Ed SIG you'll find and you'll find with the link as well to our webinar. I'm just going to pop this into the chat here. So the Open Ed SIG is totally open. We have a blog. We have our webinars. Deb is in the room here. She helps me sort all of this stuff and has prepared a really nice template for us here in our little community space. I just put that link into the chat there. So do take a look. And that is where under webinars, you'll find the recording for today's webinar. Do join us on Twitter and do participate and continue to keep this impetus moving forward for our first year of Open, because this is where our focus really is. And as I say, we're supported by and very grateful to the support of the Association for Learning Technology and the Alt-C community that you'll see, hashtag Alt-C as well on Twitter. So I would ask everybody to play with your emoticons for a minute and choose the applause emoticon to pass our applause on to Maha. And then I'm gonna come around and ask for questions. And I can see we have got some hands raised for questions. So if anybody wants to ask a question, all you'll need to do is to click the talk button on your mic and we'll be able to hear you. We've got a big round of applause going on in the chat for you, Maha. Thank you very much for everything you've done for us this morning. Just charge this up. It's gonna take a while to come down. But I'm not planning on coming down. I think I'll stay up here. Let's take a look in the chat and see if we have any questions or queries and just taking a look back. If you have a question for Maha, do pop it in the chat or just pick up the mic, press the talk button and you can talk into the room. Some yeas and whoops from Wales, wonderful. I'm glad to see so many people expressing how excited they are about next week's OER 17. I certainly am. I'm not sure as I'm getting a bit old these days I'm gonna be able to participate in all the community events but I'm gonna do as much as I can. And I certainly look forward to meeting you in person and same with everybody in the room, please. Do, if you see me, grab and say hello or tweet me and let's get together and let's get to know each other. And of course, join the Virtually Connect session. One of those I'll be running. I think Christian's running another one. Yeah, some people are saving questions for next week. I'm gonna do it for the next week after me now. I've got, I mean, I just got a problem that I don't know what I did but I clicked something and I tried to get back into the room and I can't see it. Oh, I can see it now, okay. Can you see it? Yeah, the boxes for the re-enchat you can literally pick up and resize so they're individual to your own machine. So you'll find them under, you'll find it under tools and chat if it has disappeared. I found it now, so I was in the chat but I was looking at something different in the room. Great. So I need to check with baby. Sheila asked me to be connected. Hi, it's Francis here. You're the one that asked me. Hi, Erica had a hand up. So maybe she'll just ask a question after I've asked mine. Ah, I loved your quote but it really made me think about what an open space is outside an institution because one of the reasons that we speak outside institutions is because we have things to say that we don't feel able to make public. And so, you know, what is an open space? Is it, you know, can it be a private space, a semi-private space? I don't know the answer to that but you might have some thoughts. This is a very good question. And I think maybe you're one of the people who thinks about this a lot. And I think, one of the small things I'm gonna talk about in the keynote is that what, the keynote title is hiding in the open. And one of the things that hides in the open is a lot of the things that allow us to be open happens in private and nobody sees it. So I'm just gonna say this very quickly because Trenton is going to ask the question. And the Trenton and I have a very individual private relationship with people in the open.c and it allows us, we interact with the open as well on each other's blogs on Twitter but there's a different relationship that's happening beneath that, you know, behind the scenes that helps, you know, strengthen that relationship with other people and see it. And it just happens with a lot of different people in lots of different ways. And some conversations for us to really understand each other, to really emphasize with each other are things that I cannot say in the open. But I trust Trenton, I want to tell Trenton about that, for example, and this is the only way to do it and that enables us to be better together in the open. And there are people who aren't safe at all in the open. We're not all equally vulnerable online. And actually I was very excited to find that Tanya Zaria-Liz is using a quote from one of my blogs about that, talking about, you know, we're not all equally vulnerable in the open. Robins Rosa was recently talking about she has students who are in the witness protection program. And she can knock them to bloodline lines. Like that's a really risky thing for them to do no matter how online you go. That, you know, that's not something urge to want your students to say to do. And Kate Green also talks about things like that, you know, and that private and public and open, they're not like open is not the opposite of private. And I actually don't know if I understand exactly what she's saying. I don't know if Christian can type in what he thinks. Do you understand that? Because they're doing it towards opening a session together. But that's, yeah, so. Thank you for that. And thank you for that great question, Francis, as well. Because there's always a sort of risk, because we perhaps end up talking to so many people about open who have no idea what we're on about, that we kind of gloss over the complexities of what we mean by open. And sometimes I think the feedback we get from people is, oh, well, it's all about just sharing everything, putting everything out there. And it's much more complicated than that really. And I think Catherine Cronin has done some great work on this and the spectrum of open as well. Christian, sorry, you missed your name being mentioned. You were mentioned as a person running a virtually connect session. And as a person, I hope that I will actually meet and speak to next week. Yes, the self-censorship, that's interesting, Shilorini, isn't it? Because we probably think about these things as we write, where do I write? It's certainly in the online context. Where do I write? Where will I do it? But I kind of think as well, we think about these things in the physical world. And there are things we can probably, parallels we can probably make. So you may decide where to hold a meeting because the actual selection of a physical space may send messages. And yeah, I think we probably do think about these things without even being aware that we're thinking about them sometimes. So maybe just having that opportunity to talk with others helps us to clarify what we do when. And I'm not a great believer in hard and fast rules either. I haven't found that possible, perhaps, because I'm quite an undisciplined person. And I can sort of react as Debbie reflects there. I can sort of just react on the basis of what I'm feeling instinct. But yeah, having the chance to express something, whether it's stop thinking, stop and think and reflect personally about it, or to have these opportunities to meet and talk really helps. Do we have any other questions? Yeah, Francis, as ever, you're really enriching the discussion here as well, thinking about, you know, the sort of insidious use of power. And you know, that soft power that is rarely mentioned, but very important. I'm scanning through the chat, but I'm not seeing any other questions. What I'm hoping is that people actually have made connections through today's session. Because within this room today, there are some fabulous open people and some great connections. So yeah, let's strengthen those connections and continue to reach out. And we have that wonderful excitement as well now about next week. And I'm so looking forward to meeting everybody. I have to say a big thank you to Martin, who, because without his help this morning, Martin Hawksy, we would never have managed to make the recording at all, because we were having all sorts of problems with the room when we first got started this morning. So thank you, Martin, for getting us up and running. I'm just going to switch the recording off now.