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That was a while back, that was quite a while back I think in 2011, that's close to not. But a welcome back to this other side of KBC. And before we even get to the whole aspect of golf, a lot of people actually who watch golf just see, I'm told it's a club. Somebody holding a stick and they stroke a cabal and it disappears. Sometimes they just show us a clip of that cabal falling into a hole. So what are the dynamics that happen behind the golf as a sport? Even someone joins and becomes a professional and I love the fact that you are also in that space. Right, so the whole idea of golf is for you to hit that golf ball with the least number of shots and get it into the hole. So you have different clubs, different types of clubs, some to hit far distance, some of them to hit a close distance, some of them to now when you get on why are we called a green, that's where your destination is, then you just tap the ball, you roll it and then it gets in the hole. So the whole idea is to do that with the least number of strokes. So the motion or the action is called strokes? It's called a swing. A swing. And then every time you hit, it's called a stroke. All right, yes. I'm sure you're getting it. And you mentioned the word club, so I'm still stuck there. Yeah, so they're called clubs, no sticks. Oh, those sticks are called clubs? Yes, yes, yes. All right. And there are different lengths for different uses for hitting far distances, for hitting medium distance and then for actually just parting. So we have the long ones called the drivers, we have the medium ones called the ions, we have the even shorter ones called wages, and then we have a pattern. So those are like the different types of clubs. Just used to do different things on the course. Right. Yeah. All right. There's a question that I spoke to. You know, somebody asked, why do people join golf? And somebody simply answered, they join golf to network. But I love the fact that yours is massively integrated with entrepreneurship, even in your description, you talk about networking and even giving resources and even opportunities to young entrepreneurs through golf as an art and also as a sport. How does that exactly happen? So golf of all the sports, I think is the most closely associated sport with networking. Right. How it happens is because of how golf is played. So golf is played with a maximum of four people. You cannot play five guys, but you can play two, three or a maximum of four. So what happens is after you hit your far shot, you're walking down towards where your golf ball is. And then naturally, as you're going towards both of your golf balls, depends on how many you are, you sort of like engage in a conversation. It's like a leisure walk, you know, where you can be able to talk to the next person. You don't like soccer. You don't like soccer where you're running. Somebody is running and is angry at the opponent, you know. Right. So as you're walking, then you can naturally just strike a conversation and that conversation can be about business, especially if you don't know each other. You'll just ask, so, what do you do? And then you'll tell me and I'll also tell you what I do and then if there's a connection, then you get to strike business. For you to finish a whole round of golf, it will take about four hours. So imagine that. That's a whole game now. That's a whole game. That's like a tournament. One. One round of 18 holes. 18 holes. 18 holes. 18 holes. In one pitch. It's actually 18 holes because that's the maximum number of holes. So it's usually divided into two. So there is the first nine and then the back nine, right? So you first finish the first nine and then after you do, you can take a 10, 15 minutes break and then you come back for the second nine. The full game is 18 holes. So the first nine you will do probably with two hours and then the second nine with two hours. So imagine that you are with this person for those four hours, right? It's enough time to get to know them, get to know what they do. And then if there's a chance for business to happen, probably to not happen there. But I mean, you get to sort of like interact with this person quite a lot. Yes. Fantastic. I love that. The perspective of golf itself in general, you know, comes with some sort of sense of, you know, luxury, you know, rarely. Most of the stories highlighted rarely have we seen stories of like struggling people playing golf. It's always a CEO, a safari called, meet CEO, okay, meet CEO again. Rarely do you just see like the common, you know, people. Is it, is it a game that requires like maybe some certain qualifications for you to join maybe a golf club? Are there maybe levels and maybe some certain specific qualifications for you to join one? Not quite. And that's a notion that we want to dispel because people have always thought that golf is very expensive. You need to be a member of a club. You need to own the equipment. And that's why we started the program, the again golf program. Because first of all, you don't need to be a member of a club. Yeah, for you to let's say train with us. We train at Windsor. You don't have to be a member there. You first come and train and then you can take up the membership if you'd like. Right? And in terms of membership rates, we have been very premium clubs, right? Like Windsor, Mudaiga, Karen, the premium in terms of how much you pay. And then we have more affordable places, places that are up-country. We have a golf course here. It's a public course. Like it's partly owned by the government in trust. So it's one of the most affordable. It's actually 20,000 a year, right? So golf is not, we usually say it's not cheap, right? But it's very affordable. Then for anyone to train, they don't need to own the equipment. The equipment comes at quite a cost from let's say 40,000 all the way. But 40,000 is got a good amount of money, though. Yeah, yeah. But it's a good investment, right? So you don't need to own the equipment for you to train, right? So for our training, we usually charge 25,000. I usually give an example of young guys and what they do on the weekends. They'll end up spending 5,000, 7,000 somewhere, right? So if you count that in a month, you already afforded the training. And then once you have trained, there are opportunities to play all the time in all these different clubs. There are tournaments where you can participate. You don't need to be a member in that club which holds a tournament, right? So once you know how to play, there are a lot of opportunities for you to just advance the game. And as you're doing that, you're getting to meet different people in different sectors. If you're in business, you get to also put your business out there. Right. In terms of gender, would you say it has more men as compared to women or it's a balanced? I think it's sort of balanced for our training. Sometimes you get more men like ladies, sometimes more ladies than men. But all genders are interested in the sport. Right. Ladies are taking up the sport a lot also. Actually. Are there maybe in Kenya that you can point out that, let's say, amateur slash professional, not exactly professional, that you can point out and even give a shout out the ones you've managed to play with? Probably I'll mention our trainer, David O'Patti, pro David O'Patti. He is one of the best trainers in golf. He has certification from South Africa to train, one of the only six that are certified. He nowadays does not play very actively, but he spends most of his time teaching through our program. We have the other pro at Windsor. His name is Riz Charania. He's also a very, for him, he does both play and teach. So those are like two of the top golfers in terms of teaching part and also the playing part. And we have more. We have very many pros at GovPak. That's where most of them, you'll find most of them. And they participate in the Kenya Open. The Kenya Open is part of European Tour Series. It's coming up, I think, in March. Last year we had a young man who was a really good golfer and he was one who did the best. His name is Rink Jororge. And he went all the way to, did not manage to win the tournament because it's very competitive, but he went up to at least the last day of the tournament, which is very encouraging for golfers in Kenya. Great. Let's backtrack, Dogo, personally for you now before you became the CEO of Yen. Did you at some point visualize yourself playing golf? Did you just accidentally, you know, there's people who say, I just accidentally met them at the mall and here we have a whole mall together. For you, did you always gravitate towards playing golf? It's something that you loved along the way. It's a passion you picked up. And just in case we don't know, do you do it professionally now? It's still part of a part-time hobby. So for me, golf was never in my radar as such, like, it's all like I grew up playing golf or my parents did, you know, I actually, we bumped like, as you said, to sort of like an accident because we met through our networking. So Yen is a networking platform. So through one of those networking forums, we met some guys who were doing golf and we partnered with them and then it has developed from there. So that's six years ago. That's when I actually started golf myself also. So and then with that, I've come to, like, of course, learn the sport of, I'm not like a pro. Like I said, I'm an amateur when you, when you play golf and you have a handicap, you call it an amateur. Right. Let's say I'm an average player. Right. So what makes you now professional? What differentiates you from, like, you're an amateur and this is now professional golf? So professional golf in Kenya, you need to, some of the requirements, several, but some of the requirements are your handicap has to be either zero or very close to zero. So handicap is like how good or bad you are. Right. It's your rating. It starts from 54 all the way to zero. Right. So if you're 54, you are starting out. So the biggest score should be at least 54. 54, it's not a score set, it's like your rating. It's like, yeah, it's like, yeah, it's like your rating. It's more experience. Yeah. It's like how experienced you are. Right. So if you're like a handicap, let's say 54, 52, that means that you're really, you know, starting out, you're still very new. And then as it goes down, so as you play better, your handicap goes down, right, with every game. You have to return your card and then it's put in the system. Okay. And then so your handicap goes down. So this card, who are you returning it to? To the club. To the club. The club you play for. The club you play at. Oh, you play at. Yes. All right. Yes. And it's not necessarily that the club owns you or you're a member. You don't need to be a member. You don't need to be a member. Like, yeah, you could be, let's say you play a tournament at Modaiga and your home club is, let's say, Windsor. So when you play your tournament at Modaiga, that card, that score card, you return it. And then when you return that score card, they'll put it in the system and it will be able to reflect. There's an app that guys have. For golfers. For golfers. It's called How Did I Do. How? How Did I Do? How Did I Do? Yeah. It's downloadable everywhere. Yeah, it's downloadable. But you need to be a member of a certain club so that you are able to use it because that's like how you... It's like a waiting box where you sign up and now you get to be identified in the space. It's a sort of, yeah. All right. And speaking of that, for anyone who is watching right now, back at home and for a very long time, they've watched news updates because golf is a sport, of course. They've watched sports updates about golf and for a very long time, they've been wanting to join golf. Like, where do they start? Should they start by looking at someone who's already playing and maybe give them a call or maybe Google the nearest golf club and join up? How do they actually begin and start that journey and now become an amateur like you are? So the best, first of all, if they're in Nairobi, what I would encourage them to do is join our program. We run the program every Friday, Saturday and Sunday at Windsor in the afternoon from 2 p.m. As I mentioned, we charge only 25,000 which covers a whole package of eight sessions. Actually, right now it's nine. During those sessions, first of all, from the very basics, in the first session, we teach you how do you hold this club, right? It's our training, right? So we teach you all the techniques over those eight sessions. We take you to the course to play a real game situation. We teach you how to interpret the rules, how to mark your scores. By the time you're done with the eight sessions, you are at a place of where you can play proficiently. And then once you know how to play, then you can decide which club to join. And clubs have offers, like Machakos has an offer right now for, I think, if I'm not wrong, 60,000, which is a lifetime. And then every year, you pay about 30,000. And that now affords you the golf you can play there. And then you can also reciprocate with clubs around Nairobi. Of course, for upcountry, we are going to spread the training to other towns. We are starting in Nakuru very soon. We might also be going to the coast in the second quarter of this year. So, but the best place to do, because golf is, the best thing to do is because golf is technical. It's not like football where you just land on a field and start kicking around the ball. It has a technique to it. How you see that swing happening, there's a lot of technique to it. So the best thing to do is first get trained with a pro, right? The pro of whichever club, right? And then from there, once you know the technique, now you can start playing and you don't even have to be a member for you to be able to play. But if you've got membership somewhere, then it also is able to help you with getting the handicapped and for you to be rated. And of course, for you to just enjoy the sport in whichever club you have decided to join. Okay. Does it specifically have like a certain age bracket of like, you must be at least this age to join and become, you know? No. You can join from, so of course there are juniors and adults. So juniors in GoFar are considered to be 21 years and below, right? Juniors. Yeah. So 21 years and below. So for them, of course there's sort of like a membership package for them. The Kenya GoF union will allow for them to play any course if they have a JGF card. JGF is the junior GoF foundation. A junior GoF foundation, right? So it's sort of like an initiative to promote the sport in Kenya. So once they have, like with juniors, if they have that card, JGF card, they can play any course just by paying a hundred bucks, right? When of course adults pay the other rates, but for juniors pay only that. And then for the adults, of course, it's all the way. For our training, the oldest we've ever trained was actually 65 years, right? And of course we have a junior training and then we also have a training for adults. So anyone can join, irrespective of their age. GoF is the, okay, apart from maybe swimming, but it's the only active sport that anyone can play, even if they're as old as, you know, because it's just about walking. So you hit that golf ball, even if it goes over there, you follow it, hit again, and that anyone can do, whether they are young or very old. And I think that gives the, even someone who's watching back at home the opportunity to join, you know, whenever you're able to, yes, when you're able to, I love the fact that, you know, it has these organizations, including yours, that help people become better at it and know the way forward. They say it's better to know the rules of the game before you play it. It's more important than playing even the game itself, which is excellently fantastic. Now, even as we consider GoF as a very big, good sport, it's so richly revered by so many people. Of course, we heard the new CS, that is Babuna Mambo, who has currently, you know, trying to give the sports sector, many sports arts and entertainment anyways, a facelift. And then maybe like changes that you anticipate he might influence in the golfing space that maybe could possibly affect the golf itself, the playing of golf positively as well. I think it's about, I think the best thing the ministry or the government can do is try it, because these initiatives that have been there are from the corporate side, like what Safari Club is doing, right? For GoF to grow in Kenya, as it has done in South Africa, it needs to be more grassroot. You don't need to stop seeing it or thinking as an elite sport. You need to introduce GoF to like primary schools, right? As one of the sports, they have enough space, most of them have enough space with the field and all that. Make sure that it gets adoption from that level and then also maybe have, like say, about one, two, three public facilities, right now we only have in Kenya just one, the Gongreskos at Gof Park. So have, let's say, more of that or make that more open to more people so that more people can be able to experience the sport. Once you have a lot of people playing, then the competition sort of, it pushes the guys at the top, right? And the guys at the top, of course, when it comes to international tournaments and all that, they become really good. So, and then it's also just sort of like develops the talent. You don't know once you introduce them, the sports to the grass roots in high schools and primary schools, but there is talent there, right? It's just not has yet been discovered, but I'm sure there's talent there. So start growing it from there. Let Gof not be something that people think it's, you know, it's something that it's outlandish, they cannot be able to access it. They cannot, they don't know where to start or how to start. And of course, probably maybe just supporting and encouraging programs like ours that we're trying to get Gof out there to as many people as possible, irrespective of their different walks of life. All right, fantastic. I was trying to get it right here. Aside from, you know, playing Gof, you are a man of many faces, although you are multifaceted. And I can see right here, you speak in youth forums. You've also been invited to share your startup journey and experience in entrepreneurship in different gatherings, including the African Development Bank's East African Ministerial Conference about jobs for youth in Africa. But away from that, you also won an award in 2013 as part of a two man team that won the Young Innovators Award dubbed ITEC for Summit's Mobile Technology Category, where the road safety software solution called Matzav Msefiri, like how did that happen? And how did you get some margin to that world? So my background is in entrepreneurship. Actually, that's what I studied in school. I was lucky to go to Moe University. Initially, I was supposed to study engineering, but the mathematics was not happening. So I decided let me change to something that is more like something I like, which is business. So I studied entrepreneurship. And so that is being my background. I've been able to explore different opportunities in tech, like with that Matzav Msefiri, the Matzav Msefiri road safety solution. So what we wanted to do with that is that when you're in a public service vehicle, you could use your phone as an app with an app to track how fast it could actually see the speed with an app on your phone. So if it's over speeding or if it's been driven recklessly and all that, so you could report that. So that was a road safety solution that we were proposing. And then we got an award with that. The other thing you mentioned is the jobs for youth in Africa. That was a forum organized by AFDB, which we help put together. And so we were just exploring different opportunities that could give employment to the youth in Kenya and Africa. And we came up with recommendations and all that. Also, besides golf, I'm into technology. I'm into cryptocurrencies and blockchain. Actually, you're a forex trader. Professional forex. You used to be. You're no longer one hamper. Forex, I don't know whether you know about it, but it's not an easy business. It requires a lot of patience, a lot of input in terms of time, and also capital. If you're trading with a small base of capital, then there's not much you can do. So I realized that at that point, I did not have enough capital for me to be making sufficient. And also it required a lot of time, which I was focusing on other things. That's why I stopped. I also burned my fingers, to be honest. You risked your life and put it on the line with your money. I lost some money, but it was not too much money. But either way, it was. So that's why I left. But that's what led me into cryptocurrencies, which have a different strategy of you can just buy and hold and wait for it to appreciate in value and sell. You don't have to actively be trading. So that's part of what you also do aside from golf. And a lot of the fact that it's integrating golf, as well as you being a CEO. The last time I checked the issue of Boat 4x, I stopped at Boats, trading Boats. Because there's someone who had said on social media, I didn't use your Boats in Bayer. He can fail like I did with Pesazangu. Here, I'm a conman. I'll catch up with your conversation. But we'll talk about it another time. It's a very complex business. It is a business at the same time, but it's a very complex business. So it's an art that needs to be learned, right? Yeah, it's a skill. It's a skill you need to know how to interpret the charts. There's a lot of things that happen, like when to buy, when to sell, when to hold. So you need to, and the Boats sometimes, could give them conditions. So what happens with the Boats is that you give them conditions to tell them, like you code it, and then you tell it that when this condition happens, do this, buy. Or when this condition happens, sell. So sometimes, since it's a Boat, there's a lot of mistakes that can happen because it's automated. So sometimes it might buy or sell when it's not supposed to. Because those conditions have been met, but there's other things that you're supposed to consider. So when you're trading manually, then you're able to tell that, okay, these conditions have been met, but it's not, there's something else that could disqualify the conditions. Like one mistake, everything's lost. One mistake could be. But all these things are best on technology. And we can switch it up again. Let's go back to golf as we wind up. Do you feel like technology has played a huge role in maybe revitalizing golf as a sport, especially right now, even in our country, Kenya, not just worldwide, Kenya specifically. Do you think technology has played a big role? I think it does, it has. Because how we are able to reach out to people for the program is through our social media. So we have a very active Instagram page. We have a Facebook page. We are there on LinkedIn. We are there on Twitter. We have WhatsApp groups of the alumni, right? All this is technology. All this is the internet, it's social media, which was not there like, if you say, let's say, 15 years ago, right? So if we're doing the same thing 15 years ago, probably we'll not be able to reach people as much as we are right now. You know, right now in terms of Instagram, Facebook, you can put yourself out there. You can put up ads. You can target. So all that is technology that's making it easy for you to reach your target audience and then people can be able to see. In terms of now the technology in the learning itself, probably it's getting there. But with GoF, it's just you and your swing and your clubs. There's no AI, right? By the way, I think that's the beauty of it. But are there sports that have AI? I don't think so. Do we have them? Maybe like a game, maybe like a mobile game. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's AI, anyway, all right. Yeah, but with GoF, like it's very raw, it's just you and your swing and your equipment. Right, I have three more questions and then we sum it up. Who are your three favorite professional GoFas and why it could be local or international? Okay, one of my favorite because I work with him is David O'Party. All right, so the trainer, he does a very good job. Okay. The guy that I think, of course, and everybody knows him is Tiger Woods, right? You know, I almost confuse Tiger Woods for crickets. Yeah, no, Tiger Woods is for GoF. Tiger Woods is one, you could say one of them. He's like a legend of GoF. Yeah, he's a legend. He's been through so much in his personal life, in his GoF life. Like the other day, he had an accident here, remember? And he's been able to still come back and recover, had the surgery, everything. Yeah, so, I mean, and then the whole time, Jack Nicklaus is one of the legends. So if we could mention, yeah, those are, you know, guys that I could mention in terms of who I would admire. Okay. And what is that one equipment that every GoF, or just any person who plays GoF, at least to Keander Kwake, you're meeting them, at least they have it, one or two, even three or more. Like if you see this person carrying this bag or this paraphernalia, most definitely you're already judging this guy plays GoF. Mostly it will be how the dress, right? And also the kit. So if you... So there's a sudden dress code? There's a sudden dress code. You are always supposed to be in a polo t-shirt. A polo t-shirt, right? Pants have to be either khaki or cotton material. Okay. Jeans is not allowed. Oh, jeans are allowed. Jeans is not allowed. Too bad. Because it's for poor people. No, no, no, no. Jeans, even when you're going for hiking, by the way, you can't wear jeans, you know? Because, yeah. Some cotton material. Yeah, just easy so that as you're walking around, it's not too hot, you know? Yeah, so jeans are allowed. Sweatpants is not allowed. The tracksuit is not allowed. So it has to be khaki or cotton material. And then the polo t-shirt, and then most people have a cape because of just the sun. And then you'll need a glove on your left if you're right handed, just one glove. And then there are shoes for GoF, which usually have a spike at the bottom so that they help you with the grip as you're swinging. And then so that would be if you like... So someone, maybe that dress code can be able to notice. And that thing, of course, is the set, the GoF set. So that one comes as a package. So we have the GoF bag together with the clubs inside, the different clubs, maximum of 14. So either between nine and 14. 14 would be the whole set. Nine would be when it's a beginner set. All right. I remember the terminology. There's a pa, you mentioned of a pa. Badi. Badi, who are baddies now? It's like fellow GoF players. So no, no, no. No, it's not baddies like B-U-D-Y. A baddies for bads. It's like a bad with an IE. So that is like a score, right? So in GoF, as we mentioned, it's about doing the least number of strokes. So when you do the... So there are three types of holes. One is called a pa-3, a pa-4, and a pa-5, all right? So the pa-3, you are expected to finish in three strokes. They're pa-4, four strokes, they're pa-5, five strokes. So if you finish in the exact number, like for a pa-5, if you finish in five, then that's called a pa, right? Like you've done it in pa, in the level of what you're supposed to do. If you finish in one less, then it's called a baddy. Oh, okay, nice. So if it's a pa-5, you do four shots. It's called a baddy. Then if you do one more, it's called a bogie, right? So if it's a pa-5, you do six, right? You've done a bogie. And then if you do seven double bogie, if you do eight triple bogie, like that, then if you do less than, so for a pa-5, if you do two less, it's called an ego, right? Yeah. If you do three less, it's called an albatross. Yeah, so. I think I should be writing this. But I love the fact that you're here. After here, we're going straight up to play golf with you. But anyways, I love the fact that it's given a lot of insights that a lot of people have no idea. Like, who would have known there's a baddy, B-R-I-R-D-I-E-S in golf, right? And the C-Stick, it's called a club, right? A golf club, yeah. Actually, I would like to welcome you and your team for an orientation session. Every time we have, before we start a class, we do a free orientation session to get you guys just, you know, learning and getting to know what happens. So for that one, you don't charge anything. You don't even need to have the attire just show up. The next orientation session is going to be on the 5th or 3rd, 4th and 5th of February, right? Friday, Saturday and Sunday at 2 p.m. So just show up at Windsor as well. We'll give you an experience. Those clubs that we're talking about, we should brought them on air. Yeah, we should have done that. So those clubs we're talking about, we'll give you a chance to learn about them. We'll give you a chance to actually do a swing so that you just get to experience them. And then, you'll be... Because there's always a certain posture. Even when you see the photos taken by golfers, they're always standing twisted, like, on a certain... It's called a follow-through, yeah? A follow? Follow-through. Like, you have to finish your swing. If you just... That's not finishing your swing in a position. So if you hit the ball and you just stopped here, it's not be able to fly. So you have to hit them, you know? So it's some body posture and some movement, yeah? Which you need to learn. Which you need to learn. Okay, fantastic. But it's not too difficult. It's just... Not difficult, why? Easy. Because it's so scary that, like, golf near my CEOS, golf near my hustlers, come on. As you mentioned, that is what you want to dispel. Golf is for everyone, especially for the young people who would like to encourage you to take up the sport. Just be intentional about it. Okay. Save up. If you stop some bad habits over there, you can probably be able to. Share a he-man-en or so. Save up a man do best. I can be able to learn a sport that will last you a lifetime to give you an opportunity to interact with, you know? Other golfers, network. Now you see... I've actually now seen our people network. Exactly. Because you're meeting another golf professional. You exchange ideas. Like, for me, when I come, I'm not like a CEO. Yet, you know, I'll be one. I'm a media personality. When I come, you know, we exchange ideas with someone who is from a bank, you know? So these two entities meeting, sharing ideas. And now, you become partners, right? Exactly. In a relaxed, friendly, fun way. Right. And you guys eat, because if there's food involved, I'm coming. I'm coming very fast. That happens in what we call the 19th hole. Oh, the 19th hole. So, 18th hole is the official. Okay. Right? That is in the course. The 19th hole is sort of like a culture. There is no physical 19th hole as such. But the 19th hole means that after you finish that 18 holes, now you go sit down and, you know, as you're sipping on some water or some drink or some food, now that's now where more of the business happens. Happens, right? Because now, that time, you're relaxed. You have already tallied your scores and knowledge. You're talking about the game, right? And, you know, you can get to interact even with more people at that point. Right. It reminded me of a story about Minak again. When he was starting his career, he said he once went to a certain golf club, met someone who changed his career and life forever today. He's among the richest media personnel. He can't even story for another day. But now you can tell us where, if maybe someone wants to catch you, do your live action, maybe someone wants to come and join and start playing work and they get you, even if there's a social media platform or a physical location, your camera is right over here. Great. So we are on social media. On social media, on Instagram, Facebook, and LinkedIn, as Yen Africa, so Yen.Africa. For Instagram, Young Entrepreneurs Network Africa on Facebook. If you just Google Young Entrepreneurs Network Africa, you're going to also see our website, right? You can learn on our website and also see what we do. We have our contacts there that you can be able to reach out to us with. We also have a shop and sort of like a space where we operate from, which is on Kiambo Road at a place called Four Ways Village. So the Four Ways Village you can walk in. If you needed to buy any golf equipment, any golf attire, we just wanted to talk to us live. They are every Tuesday to Sunday from 11 a.m. to 7 p.m. Basically today, starting today? Yes, yes. Right, maybe it's the end of the month. We take off on Mondays. Right, so remember that someone can call right now. Yeah, remember they can call is 0740-205-991. That is the office number 0740-205-991. And you can be able to speak to us. All right, fantastic. And thank you so much for your time. Thank you very much, Ako, for the invite. Right, I really appreciate the opportunity. You're welcome, sir. And with that note, I think we can call it a day. That has been Kamau Nyabuengi. He's the founder and also CEO of Yan Africa, trying to give us perspective of what exactly happens behind living golf. Living golf in Kenya. I hear it's also a club. But this is just living golf as a lifestyle. Come on now. It's an amazing sport. And right now, I'm so motivated. I really can't wait. Even I and my co-host, Stephanie, most definitely will be giving you those pictures partly. Don't know how to taste a polycoaster story. So, so, expect that in March.