 On this planet, the greatest technology on the planet is the human mechanism. People who never did the useless manual, they are suffering their body and their mind. Okay, the next question I'm going to ask might sound a little rude and I apologize. It got me thinking about my own death and everything I wanted to do before my death. What are you waiting for? You're asking why am I not dead? You see the entire left wing of the country, always trying to pull you down. What do you make of that situation when you're trying to do so much good and people are misinterpreting you? Fortunately, it takes a certain amount of energy, time, resource to handle this. But, you see they also enhance the nationality. A big aspect of being spiritual I feel is being loving. Dog is a really spiritual, he's a producer. Dogs are very loving. I have to ask you about the 30,000 kilometer bike ride you're doing. 30,000 kilometers is no joke. Maybe this is a good ad for yogic back. If you get me 25 million earth buddies, I'll take you on a ride. I think this has already become one of the most fascinating moments of my life being in the middle of nature speaking with you. So, you know I last spoke to you like this in 2018. I feel like I was a child back then. I feel I'm a little older of a child now. But that night, I mean that conversation had such a deep impact on me because of the things you answered my questions with. Like the answers you gave, gave me the answers I needed exactly at that point in time. And that night I actually had a dream about you. This time I'll treat you like an adult, okay? Happy to just be next to you and be talking to you. Doesn't matter, you treat her. This is the thing with me. Even if they're 70 years of age, I treat them like children and they slowly become like that with me. That is the whole thing. With time people are getting crusted. That is the whole thing about life. That you don't get crusted and rusted just because of time. No, I agree. I'll still treat you as a child, okay? Happy and honored to be treated like a child. Sadhguru, it just breaks my heart that I'm having such a beautiful moment here with you and our world is in the middle of a war right now. Not the world, only two nations. Two nations. No, no, it's very important we don't exaggerate this because we should never move into that thing about two world wars have happened. We should never ever move in that direction. Conflict should not happen but in case it happens, at least it must be contained. Everybody should not jump into it. What do you think goes on in those few men's minds? You know the ones who are the decision makers, why would you consciously choose to go to war? It can't just be for economic reasons. There has to be a thought of ego as well, I think. See, these are very superfluous judgments but we must understand all this is rooted in our strong sense of identity and we want our identity to dominate somebody else's identity. So nationhood is a very strong identity. The identity is consciously built and encouraged to a point that you're willing to shed your life for your nation. Which is always considered a great virtue, right? If I'm willing to shed my life for my nation, I'm also willing to take your life for that. That is a natural process. Whether it is nation, race, religion, caste, creed or even your individuality, if you're unnecessarily identified, you will get into unnecessary levels of friction and conflict. Um, Sadhguru, isn't identity just another word for ego? Like I've constantly been thinking lately a lot about this concept of ego. The more you think about... See, when you say it's a concept of ego, that means you made it up. Why do you make it up? Okay, fair. My follow-up question... I didn't make it up, so I don't have it. These are the kind of answers that just pave with my head. Okay? I'm not ready for the next question yet, but I'm still gonna throw it at you. So, okay, the next question, honestly, is the other kind of concept that fascinates me a lot in this world and kind of still makes me feel bittersweet about the times that we live in. It's this concept of Gen Z, which is Generation Z, which means kids that are roughly born after 97. Wait, wait, wait. If you're Generation Z, don't ever say that because that means you're the last generation. That's one thing I'm trying to avoid, that you should not be the last generation. What does Gen Z mean, huh? Z is the last word, last alphabet. I think culturally, I am a millennial because I'm born pre-97. I'm also 20th century millennial. No, I think... Which millennia are you talking about? I think those are the cultural kind of terms given to... All right, but don't use the word Gen Z. That means you're the last generation. Please don't be that. We'll call you Gen A. Okay. I think the next one's called Gen Alpha. We go back to the start. Okay, it's a circular moment of alphabets. So, so I work... Once you learn the alphabet, you must go into words. Once you get the words, you must go into sentences. Once you go into sentences, you go into literature. Okay, don't keep on repeating the alphabets, man. I work with a lot of these Gen Zs and some Gen Alphas. What I notice about them is that... I seem to find a different name. Gen Z is dangerous, huh? I mean, you're the last generation. Don't do that. I think it's a cool sounding name, maybe in our heads as youth. But anyway, so the one thing I notice about them is that they are incredibly intelligent. Far more intelligent than my generation was at that age, 17, 18. And you talk to some 13, 14 year olds and they're even smarter than this Gen Z generation. So I look at them as like both blessed and slightly cursed. Cursed because we're living in the times of the virus. We're living in the times of this particular incident we spoke about, like the war. And then we're also living in the times of ecological damage. The good thing about Gen Z and Gen Alpha is that they're way more environmentally conscious, they're way more intelligent, they're way more strategic. They know how to use technology, design, social media, much better. But I'm very curious to kind of think of that trajectory in this world. What kind of world are they heading into? See, every generation thinking they are special is a very bad thing. Unfortunately, every generation thinks they are special. So we come from the sixties, the sixties generation thought they are really special people. All right? And they became a disaster. Don't go in that direction because this thing thinking this generation is more intelligent, that generation is more conscious, it's not like that. Because by doing that, you're shirking your individual responsibility. What do you mean? See, you got to be smart. My generation is smart. What does it mean? Whether you're smart or dumb is the only question that matters, isn't it? Whether you're conscious or not is what my… Oh, we… our generation is more conscious. There's no such thing. This is a whole… people find thousand different ways as to how to shift the fundamental responsibility of being human to something else and something else. You're talking about Gen Z can handle their phone better than me. Maybe it's true because that's what they were born with. I could climb a tree better than any Gen Z on. Probably even now I can do it better. I can ride a motorcycle better than most Gen Z's are. So what I'm saying, whatever was available to us in our times, we've become good with it. That doesn't make us smarter. So what world are they heading into though? Like what do you think is in store for us over the next ten, twenty years? Well, if they're only looking at the phone screen or the computer screen, they're heading into a wall. You need to look up and see where is life going around you. It's very important. You're misunderstanding technology and, you know, the screen space as a reality. No, it's a technology is a wonderful tool only if you use it consciously. If you become unconscious and compulsive about it, today in United States they've set up technology de-addiction centers. Okay? Just like drug de-addiction, technology de-addiction. They're going crazy with technology. Technology has done wonders to me. We're doing hundred times the work that we were doing maybe fifteen, twenty years ago simply because of technology. I think it's a great thing. But somebody else is suffering that. Human beings are even suffering their own brains, isn't it? If they didn't have a brain, they would be peaceful. Because they have a brain, they're saying stress, stress, stress. Because you don't know how to handle the highest technology which is here. On this planet, the greatest technology on the planet is the human mechanism. People who don't know how to handle it, people who never read the user's manual, they are suffering their body and their mind. I have two follow-up questions to this. Yes, sir. The first one is, are you familiar with the whole meta-verse revolution that's happening? And the second… It's not a revolution. I've heard about meta-verse. I know what… meta-verse. Yeah, it's like virtual reality goes… Worse. That's the follow-up question. That's the second question. I'm not against any technology. I'm for it. Only if you know how to consciously handle it. See, right now, isn't this meta-verse? Yeah. Hello? That's… that was the question. Like, you know, I just hope that the technologies of the future don't take us away from nature because we are living in a beautiful civilization. Because you'll be wearing those… we are glasses and you will completely not look at the world. Yeah. See, right now, if you pay enough attention to this, this is super meta-verse, believe me. People have never paid attention. I've lived in jungles, spent weeks together just by myself. What's happening here, not simple. Even today, when I'm talking about the soil, everybody's saying, Sadhguru, how did you become an environmentalist? From where? I think it's quite vulgar to call yourself an ecologist, environmentalist, whatever. I'm not saying in scientific… as a scientific terminology, generally people calling themselves because you are a part of the ecology. You are a part of the environment. How the hell did you assume that you're above it and you're going to fix something? You are part of it? You're just outcome of it, isn't it? What's happening in the soil and who you are is just a reflection. It's a consequence of what's happening there. So we assume this distance, especially if you wear these VR glasses and walk around all the time, you will never see life around you, not experience life around you. So all you are having is like a psychedelic experience. At that time, during my time, everybody was doing that with LSD. Well, twelve-thirteen of my friends died doing these things. I thought they always said I will kill myself on my motorcycle, but I'm still here. They did drugs and they thought that is better because they were seeing words that didn't exist and many of them died. Others got sick. So, they were doing metaverse with chemicals. You're doing metaverse with technology. All that will happen is your mind will get distorted because the mind is a reflection of what you're exposed to. If you're more and more exposed to the unity and the harmony of the creation, that's how your mind will become. If more and more you're exposed to all these aberrations, however great it is in terms of creating, it's entertainment means you do it one or two hours, that's a different thing. But if you think that is a new world and people are buying real estate, hello? People are buying real estate in metaverse. They can't be a dumber thing than that, okay? Especially after... See, you buy a real estate in the false world. False estate, it's not a real estate. Especially after the conversation I heard of yours with Prajita right now, just before this, where you were kind of dishing out pieces of truth from the near future, where you said that 90% of the organic content in soil has deteriorated all over the world. You spoke a lot about generally the deterioration of our planet. I feel like that's the pertinent issue, but people don't focus on all the holes in the boat. They just focus on making the boat larger and larger. And we're speaking about billionaires of the world, like Elon Musk, all these people, they're trying to colonize Mars, they're trying to do all that terraforming, but here our planet is getting affected. And I feel that's the issue that Gen Z needs to talk about a lot more. So Gen, whatever, Gen... But the younger folks need to know these truths. You can call them, instead of Z, a closer term would be C, Gen confused. That's not a popular thing to say, but I'm telling you, this is very important that you don't label yourself. Already people are putting enough labels on you. You are Indian, you are brown, you are white, you are this religion, that religion, that caste, this creed, all kinds of rubbish labels they're putting on you. Don't put one more label on yourself, because every label will restrict you in some way, isn't it? Will it not? So don't put any labels. Why don't you just live here as a living thing, breathe and exist and reverberate at the highest possible level, that's all you can do with life. Rest is all your imagination. Do not misunderstand your imagination as reality, this is very important. If you confuse psychological reality as existential reality, you will suffer immensely in your life. This what is happening to people, what is it that they're suffering or see somebody putting pins into your body? No, you're just suffering your own mind, isn't it? The greatest thing that's happened on this planet, if you ask me in terms of technology and in terms of possibility, is human mind, but you suffer that all the time. And if I say it doesn't matter whether you were born yesterday or you were born a hundred years ago, if you are suffering your own mind, you are Gen C. How do we get people generally to just be a part of this safe soil movement? After your chatter project, I've understood the significance of it. But my question, maybe this is a capitalistic question, but how do we actually grip people's attention and tell them, listen, this is what's wrong with the planet? See, first thing is the younger generation needs to understand food comes from land. Your body that you carry, which matters to you, this comes from land, this is land. This is called human because this is a consequence of the humus in the land. So take some time to find out how much humus is left, wherever you are. You're living in a city, everything is paved, all right? Paved land and plowed land, disaster on the planet. It is very important soil is a recycle all the time. Dead life is going into it and life is coming out of it. The most miraculous thing about soil is this, the miracle of the soil is that, nowhere in this entire universe is there a place where you can sow death and it sprouts life, burst out with life. Burry something dead here and just see in a few days how much life will be happening around it. Tell me, show me one place in the entire universe where this can happen. So right now the kind of things people are imagining up, making up in their mindsies. About a week ago, there is somebody who's got a startup, okay? If you pay 1.7 million dollars to him, when you die, you can book it right now. When you die, whenever you die, they will take your body and leave it in the space. Because there's no oxygen out there and there's no microbial life, your body will not rot. It will just remain the same way. For millions of years, your body can float around in the space. Maybe you can catch a ride on some spaceship. I'm saying the body that you carry is essentially soil. If you did not do anything eco-friendly, at least when you die, you must put it back where it belongs. Hello? That's the simplest thing you can do. But today, they're putting them in boxes and preserving them in buildings. Like parking lots, they're built for people to be stored in boxes. This box belongs to your grandmother. You can go and put flowers there. What is the point of preserving a dead body? It must go back because we have no business. It's a loan that we have taken. We have to put it back when our job is done, isn't it? So, doing these kind of things is all coming from the ignorance of how life happens. Life, you know, if you utter the word carbon, everybody thinks something noxious, something poisonous today because of so much stock happening in the social media about carbon, carbon dioxide, carbon monoxide. Carbon is life. You and me are carbon life. Ah, this tree is carbon life. Every animal is carbon life, isn't it? This entire world, life, the fundamental material for life is carbon-based. And right now, what you call as life on one level is just a whole carbon cycle. If there is a chain which is making something, let's say motorcycles have changed. You know, these days, these chains that we have today on these motorcycles, modern motorcycles, they don't give us so much trouble. Otherwise, when I was riding motorcycle, every five hundred, six hundred kilometers, you have to check your chain because it'll become loose. If you ride like that, it'll come off and cause a disaster for you, okay? Every six hundred kilometers, seven hundred kilometers, you have to check it. Thousand kilometers, you have to take off a link because the material was such. Today, modern chains are made in such a way, we're just not bothered, we're simply riding. They're also, you must maintain. But when you're on a single trip, you don't have to bother. So a chain, any chain is a cycle, like that. Any chain is only as strong as an individual link. You don't have to break the whole chain. If you break one link, it's gone, right? Right now, this chain, the carbon chain is going on, all right? To keep the life going, that's the only way life is going. But the agricultural soil on the planet, which is one big link in the chain, has become too weak. If that breaks, life is not going to be good. You can order from your food from Swiggy, Piggy, wherever you like it. But somebody has to cook it, right? Somebody is cooking the food. The delivery mechanism won't deliver it to you. Somebody is cooking the food, somebody is growing the food. Delivery can happen on technology app. Do not misunderstand that delivery has the source. You're eating food not because of a food app. You're eating food not because of a store. You're eating food not because of your kitchen. You're eating food only because of the richness of the soil. If you don't understand this, we will pay a serious price. Unfortunately, in the last thirty-forty years, we have missed this point and caused enormous damage to the soil where 62% of India's soil has less than 0.5% organic content. This is on the verge of desertification. We are partners with UNCCD, the UN Agency to Combat Desertification. This is the biggest concern right now. The world is turning into a desert. If people don't understand how it turns into a desert, Saudi Arabia means you see a desert, right? Ten thousand years ago, it was a rainforest. Gujarat was a, you know, well-endowed forest. Rajasthan was a forest. When the Saraswati River flowed on the surface, all these were forests. The moment it was deprived and certain things changed and people did not understand what was happening, they all turned into harsh deserts. This is what will happen. It is not that tomorrow morning there will be sand dunes in your neighborhood. That's not the point because then you may think it's very romantic, you can go and sing a song there, like a movie star or something. That is not how it will happen. Food production will slowly slide. It's not like one day suddenly there will be no food. It slowly slides. Even today, for all of you young people who are well-to-do, who have choice of foods to eat, I want you to understand every day, even today, 820 million people go to bed without food. It's expected by 2032, nearly one-and-a-half billion to two billion people will be going to bed without food. It's expected by 2045, nearly three to 3.5 billion people will be going to bed without food. Is that what you want to do? And what makes you think it won't be you? What is a guarantee? It's not you. You always think these things happen to somebody else. No, no, it will happen to you and me. I've been reading a lot of historians' work, like Graham Hancock, you all know Harari, and they keep talking about how history is so deep that there's no way we can even know what happened before 10,000 years or 20,000 years. So I always think that maybe the worst civilizations that actually made some wrong moves from an environmental perspective and mother nature came to bite back. I think this is another cycle, like just like that. See, it has happened. Not on the scale it's happening now, because now it's global. Mayan civilization collapsed because they over-formed. Mesopotamia, one of the greatest civilizations in the world between two rivers, that collapsed because of over-forming. Rome as a civilization collapsed because of over-forming. Because those days, there was no massive transportation systems like railways or ships and things like that. Once they could not grow food, that city would collapse. You are not growing any food in Mumbai, all right? But you can get food from all over the world. But how long do you think it will work? Without the needed food growing around you, how long will it work? And once there is a shortage in that source, they will stop sending food to you. Already it's happening to many places. Okay, the next question I'm going to ask might sound a little rude. And I apologize. I'll also be rude, no problem. That's fine. You're allowed to be rude, yeah. But... And I'm asking you this from the perspective of me studying a book called the Garudpuran lately, which speaks about death. Oh, you're thinking what punishment I should get, is it? No, no, no. It got me thinking about my own death and everything I wanted to do before my death. So all these campaigns you're taking on, be it Save Soil, be it Kaveri Calling, are you doing it from a perspective of you want to create an impact in the next 20, 30 years? Because you're doing some extreme stuff, like the 30,000-kilometer bike ride, it's harsh on anyone's body. So it gets me thinking that, firstly, Satguru, it's a two-prong question. I'm very sorry if this is coming off as rude. But I'm curious. Do you ever think about your own, you know, your own moment in time? And secondly, how do you... My moment in time, I am fully sorted out on that. Completely sorted out. I don't have such a bother at all in life. Do you think about it at all? No, because I will decide that moment. I'm not thinking it'll happen like that to me. What are you waiting for? Why... You're asking why am I not dead? I've chosen it yet. Well, still the water is flowing. People around me are still thirsty to know and to grow. If they show a little boredom in front of me, I'll be gone. They better know that. Yes, that's how simple it is for me. People who sit in front of me, if they show boredom, they think, what is he talking about? I'll be gone. Again, this is going to be a slightly rude question. I apologize to everyone here. You know, I see what you're trying to do. I've visited the ashram. I've come to Coimbatore. I've seen all the work that's going on. I've seen the energy of everyone. And there's a lot of good intent here, especially when it comes to the environment. Not a lot of good intent. Only good intent. There's only good intent here. And you have people in the world of politics, people in the world of media. I would even say the entire left-wing of the country. Always trying to pull you down. I feel those same people, there's pockets of it, which try to pull me down as well. And by the way, I'm called Genzi Sadguru. Which is like, I feel embarrassed. But you know, these kind of narratives are out there. So how do you perceive all that, sir? What do you make of that situation when you're trying to do so much good and people are misinterpreting you, they're trying to pull you down. Because I'm actually asking you this from my own perspective, if I could learn something. See, if you are very clear that what you're doing is significant for every life around you, other people's opinion means nothing. I'm saying for thirty years plus, they've been saying the same things. They're not even creative, they're not able to come up with anything new. All right, same things they are saying. But they've not gotten anywhere because they have no substance. There's no substance to anything that they have said. So it's unfortunate that they are in that state. But what I see is every daily mystic quote is there, you know, daily quote. All these people are just waiting. One thing that they don't understand, suddenly all of them will get together and make the twitter trend. I'm so glad because every day they're reading my quotes, even people who are here are not reading. They're reading, okay. I'm saying every day carefully they're reading my quote, the day they don't understand, they think I've made a mistake and boom, they'll go. I'm glad. I've worked in prisons, both in India and the United States. I've worked with hardcore criminals who have come for murder, rape, worst possible things that a man can do for those things they have come. And I've seen significant transformation in their lives simply because of two days or five days of contact with me. These guys who are continuously following me, I'm very confident one day they will be very transformed. I wish them the best. You know, it's not just about the opinions, I feel if you are in the middle of your own purpose, sometimes people will even… Yes, it unfortunately takes a certain amount of energy, time, resource to handle this. But see, they also enhance the message. Any publicity is good publicity. I don't think this is publicity. I've never looked for publicity. Actually, people may find this difficult to understand. I'm an extremely private person, really. I'm public because I consider all of them as part of myself, only in that sense. Otherwise I'm not public in any sense. So, it takes a certain amount of… you know, in your stride, a little bit of extra, it's like you're walking and somebody hangs onto your leg. You still have to walk. You walk, but they are lightweight. It's okay. I'm saying whatever they've been doing for twenty-five years, they're not able to prove one point and say, okay, this is actually happened. How long will people believe this kind of trash endlessly? Slowly they're losing their traction, they're feeling stupid. Many of them have started following us in a positive way. Many journalists who, from yellow magazines and stuff, who started this whole scandalous thing about us, today they're all devotees here, others will come. What do you think is that person's journey who has that much anger in their heart? See, some of them are genuinely angry because there is bitterness in them. From their own life? Yes. Lack of being significant in the world. This is not just about me. They're attacking sports people, they're attacking actors, they're attacking artists. Anybody who's successful, they're attacking them because they're anti-success. They want to succeed, but they must have failed repeatedly in their lives in everything that they do. Now anybody who is successful, they want to pull them down. Just tell me who's been spade, which arena of life has been spade. Politicians who are elected, they will pull them down. Sports persons who are very super successful, they pull them down. Spiritual people, of course, the thing is on, but they don't pull down all the spiritual people. If they're ineffective, if they're not a big success, they're not pulling them down, they're not disagreeing with them. All right? So they're essentially, you know, rankled by somebody's success, which shows lack of significance in their own life. I wish them success, so that they can relax and be positive about life. Sir, I'm very hopeful about India going forward as a country. I feel it'll be a change-maker in this world. They say that India is the spiritual capital of this earth. I don't know if that's true, I would like to believe it. A big aspect of being spiritual, I feel, is being loving. And we're seeing so much me versus you in this country, as not me versus you. Let's settle this. Who told you being spiritual is being loving? Isn't it about spreading love? Then get a dog. Then dogs are really spiritual. Dogs are very loving, come on. I mean, is it? Tell me, yes or no? Yes, sir. They're very loving. So they're all spiritual? I don't know. You wag your tail all the time and you're spiritual? Please don't do that. But, sir, how do we get the country united? Because I feel that repeatedly our country has been invaded and affected and brought down because of this whole divide and rule policy. People caught on to the fact that we play a lot of me versus you. So again, for the next 20, 30 years, how do we work on that aspect of unity to build businesses, to build movements, to save soil, to help the environment? Because I feel that we've been given a gift to be born in this country and we're not valuing it enough as a unit. And there's too much ego, there's too much anger, there's too much hate, especially post the pandemic. So what's your advice here? So, yeah, don't judge the whole country by looking at a television screen or a social media platform. No, just walk around here. Just walk around in this village or in the city. You don't find anybody in anger. You don't find anybody beating up somebody, do you? No. No such thing happening. Some incidents happen, 1.3 billion people. Some incidents here and there happen, unfortunately. Lives are lost, injuries have been caused to other people, which definitely needs to be dealt with. There is no one way to deal with that. There is law enforcement, there is a certain sense of harmony in the society. All these things matter. These are not overnight jobs. This is something we need to strive for. As you said, history, historically, we've gone through a whole rigour of invasions, worst kind of invasions. We've not documented it very well as other cultures have, but we have gone through and taken a beating that very few populations in the world have taken, most cruel kind of battering we have taken. But we're still not bitter. That is what is beautiful about us. People have come, subjugated us, made us feel like, you know, you even have to pay a tax for being who you are, all this. But we are not bitter. That is a great thing, okay? We are not bitter. Yesterday what happened for that, we are not bitter. But making sure that doesn't happen again to us tomorrow is also equally a responsible thing to do. For which we are building a strong nation right now. We should have done it sooner. It's 75 years now. But we are doing it a little slow, but for the size of the country and the diversity of the nation that we are, I think we are doing well. Do you think fiction, films, stories are a good way to unite the country because that's my only hope, honestly. Or sport, that's the other one. Similarly, we must use every means. I do not ascribe to this that this is the way. Everything that we do, we must see how people can transcend the smallness of their boundaries and see at least if not boundless, at least a larger boundary which includes most people. So if you don't strive for that, your life will naturally be constantly in conflict with something or the other. For the well-being of the individual and the well-being of the society and the nation, it's very important that there is a larger identity with which we can move forward. It is happening. It is just that it's not being projected well. Day after the pandemic, you mentioned the pandemic, it was a serious hit, okay? Especially in a country like ours, the economic cost has been so serious, most people don't understand. I am in huge appreciation of the lowest level from the lowest level of worker. What I have seen is from a police constable, from a village official to panchayat leaders and even political leaders and right up to the state governments and central government, what they have done in these two years, I bow down to them. You can go on picking what didn't go well. But in a country like ours where infrastructure is so minimal, the way we have delivered the vaccine solution and the way we have taken care of people, there have been aberrations but such a large country with such little infrastructure, country like United States with such massive infrastructure and such massive amount of fund, see they are still shaking, still shaking. You know, I know you... Every one of us must be in absolute gratitude because we don't know who did what. From the doctors, nurses, small police constables, everybody strived to manage this. It's not a small thing. It is not a small thing. 1.3 billion people, this person speaks one language, that person speaks another language, dozens of languages, you can't communicate in one language to everybody how to communicate a message, how to make them behave responsibly, how to even wear a mask. People are carrying, you know, people's level of understanding is like this, people are carrying a mask in their pocket. They think it's like a driving license. When I ask them, where is your mask, you're coming so close. They say, I got it, Sadhguru, I got it in my pocket. Here in my hip pocket, I said it doesn't work on your bum, you got to have it on your nose. I'm saying I'm saying in this kind of country to effectively manage a pandemic and come out of it successfully and having a thriving economy as we're having right now, is not a small thing. So with this, it's not just one Prime Minister, one Chief Minister, one somebody. Everybody has strived, isn't it? From the smallest man to the biggest man, everybody has strived. Let us not go on giving endless negative commentary, appreciate the nation. If you can't appreciate the administration, appreciate the nation. We've bounced back, right? It's not a small thing. So maybe I can ask you unlimited questions more, but I know like, you know, time is tight. I have to ask you about the 30,000 kilometer bike ride you're doing, which I find fascinating. There's someone called Wim Hof. They call him the Iceman. He uses Pranayaman aspects of yoga to basically deal with freezing temperatures. And I think the world notices Wim Hof and his abilities and often they overlook all of India's yogic leaders for their yogic abilities. I know Wim Hofs well. I've been in conversations with him, but I won't do any such tweets. I mean, sir, but 30,000 kilometers is no 100 kilometers starts hurting your back. I can't imagine what 30,000 kilometers is like on a bike. I've had for a yogic back. How's that? What's your opinion on pain with respect to the journey in front of you and generally pain as a concept? Pain is not a concept. If you don't know that it's not a concept, I can cost some pain to you. You will know it's not a concept. It's a living reality when you get it. Hello? Can pain be controlled by the mind? See, pain is of the body. See, suppose this water is hardly 9 inches deep, all right? 9-10 inches deep. But you want to dive from the top of the tree. If there was no pain, you would have done it. Yes? If it breaks your head and still there is no pain, a whole lot of people would have done it. Right now, the only thing which is making you behave sensibly, at least in terms of your survival is pain. Without pain, most people would not know how to survive either. So pain is a very good thing. It manages you. Even emotional pain? That you cause. Because you want to be a tragic hero. Me? No. See, there is only physical pain as existentially true. Pain that you have in your mind and in your emotion is caused by you. You like to poke yourself. Why? Because you're a way in life you have not found any other way to feel profound. Pain makes you feel profound. You're from Mumbai, cinema world I'm saying. Without pain. No profoundness, isn't it? No artistry. See, people think they're profound because they're in pain. No, you're misunderstanding pain for profoundness. It's a serious mistake. If it comes in loads, then you will know what it is, all right? It'll destroy you. It'll mutilate life. Pain, yes or no? Human beings have been destroyed not necessarily by a sword or a gun. They just break themselves down into pieces because of their own emotions and thoughts. More people are mutilating themselves by themselves using the sharpness of their own mind rather than by somebody's sword or gun, isn't it so? Why is this so? Because you have misunderstood a few fundamental things. You do not know what is real and what is not. What is existentially true what is physiologically true what is psychologically true you have lost. You know, the boundaries of this. Once you lose this whatever you do, it'll hurt you. Just tell me one thing people are not suffering tell me one thing well, if they are poor they suffer their poverty you make them rich, they suffer the taxes. Yes if they're not educated they suffer that. Put them to school they suffer that. They're not married they suffer that, get them married oh don't tell me no children they suffer that give them children daily suffering yes so it looks like you're suffering every aspect of life so we'll offer you death oh they'll suffer that so suffering is not because of life situations suffering is because you do not know how to manage yourself you do not know how to manage your own mind, your emotion, your energy your your very life. You do not know how to manage then everything becomes suffering. Physical pain is a different thing physical pain is caused by some contact or disease or injury or something that of course we must see how we keep it at the minimum in our life mosquito bites you alright but you don't have to be bitten by a bear you need to avoid that why are you taking on the pain of the bike ride ah you're assuming that it's painful it is it is risky not painful risky one thing is I'm riding in the winter European winter northern European winter where it's snowing probably roads are icy being on two wheels on an icy road is not a joke it's risky. Then I am coming into Arabia where temperatures are anywhere between 38 to 40 degrees I could melt away there like snow then I'm entering India in the peak of Indian monsoons why someone like me I can live a good life I can live a very comfortable life because wherever I go people will take care of me any part of the world what is my most exotic place you can think of if I say I want to live in the Alps mountain people will set up a home for me I don't have to have a dollar in my pocket if I say I want to live in Himalayas somebody will set up a wonderful place for me if I say I want to live in the ocean somebody will get a big yacht for me I'm telling you I can live very well and very comfortably why am I doing this because I want all of you young people to understand don't do this now we will regret seriously and your generation Z label may come true for half the population at least if not for the whole population for half the population it may come true wherever you put me because I never sought comfort I've slept in the jungles I've slept on the trees I've been head to toe by insects you know when I came back after two three weeks of being in the forest people wouldn't recognize me because head to toe insect bites you can't recognize me it's all like this my face but I didn't suffer so I've never sought comfort so I never suffered but I've lived an extremely engaging and intense life and my experience of life is in a way that I will not exchange this for anything in the universe you give me anything if you give me a mountain of gold I will not exchange this just now I was in United States in Los Angeles this guy comes and he wants to meet me and he has a presentation to make I said what is it about he said something about our online properties he wants to make a presentation I said okay let me see what it is then he comes with the presentation and shows what all is on YouTube all these things, channels and platforms and all these calculations he makes and shows Sadhguru, if you allow me I can package all this material and in today's value it is worth about 2.7 billion dollars I can package this for you and get you that kind of money in the next few years I said what do I do with 2.7 billion dollars get me 8 billion people that's what I'm looking for right now for safe soil movement just get me 3.5 billion people the job will be done if you get me 25 million earth buddies I'll take you on a ride or ride on the motorcycle your back won't break, believe me challenge accepted Sadhguru, thank you maybe just one last selfish selfish question because I don't get this opportunity all the time do you have any last piece of advice for me that you were trying to do through this show I know you've kind of got a gist of it through the questions but just any last piece of advice for my team and myself See, every generation is remembered for things they do right? See, right now after 15,000 years we're still talking about Adiyogi why, you think because he was tall or handsome or something because of the offerings that he made to us which is still relevant to us, isn't it? you remember a human being through history either he did something terrible then you remember him in a wrong way or they did something with which our lives are still benefitting as a generation we have this opportunity this is a one-time opportunity in the next 10 to 15 years time if we bring about the policy change now in the next one or two years and it'll naturally take effect in next 10 to 15 years time we will be remembered as a generation who turned the planet around it was going, sliding down to a you know, disastrous place and we turned it around we will be remembered for that you don't have to remember me because I don't care whether you remember we are not people ask me, Sadhguru what is your time? how would you like people to remember you? I said if they are only thinking about me obviously they're living bad lives all right? if they forget me the moment I'm dead that means my work is successful they're doing well they're doing great you always think it is ungratefulness which makes people forget no, it's joy which makes people forget you know like a very wise you know she she had two of her twin girls she got them married they went in different directions on their honeymoon one girl who was a very loving, wonderful girl never sent a message never wrote nothing two months, no message from her the other girl every other day she was sending messages wanting to call and talk to the mother and she came and asked how are you girls doing she said about the other girl who never sent a message one is doing really fine, other seems to be having some trouble with her husband okay one who is happy doesn't turn back one who is really going straight and fast won't look in the rear view mirror right? so I don't want to be remembered this is possible as a generation say for example today in this country we always talk about the freedom movement, all right that generation which fought for this nation maybe if you were there you would have also fought that's a different matter but you were not there somebody fought we will always remember them isn't it always remember them 75 years we still remember them I'm telling you even if it's 500 years later we will still remember the people who fought for this nation yes or no similarly right now the facts are not all out yet we will bring this out in many ways in how many ways we are at the point of disaster but we have the opportunity to turn around you don't have to go and fix the soil you just have to make your voice loud and clear that enough people enough people means 60% of the world's electorate must speak 3.5 billion people speak of soil for 100 days from March 21st to 100 days do this I will make sure every government in the world will bring soil related policies into their policy system I will do this because I am fully organized with that UN agencies are with us I'm speaking at the COP 15 in Ivory Coast addressing 170 nations we will do this but people need to be there if people don't care why will the government do anything because the government is there only to manifest people's mandate isn't it if people's mandate is not about these concerns they will not manifest that that is the responsibility that you have use your wi-fi and little bit of your brains it helps Thank you sir Namaskaram bow down to you and just thank you for the opportunity one second