 Hello guys, I believe we should be live on YouTube and okay, hey guys, this is Doctrine Han City. We are getting started. This is great. Cool. Right. So we're getting started in one minute. Let me play some countdown music and then we can continue to do our session. So let's do this. Let me do some countdown music and start in one minute. Since you can turn off your camera for now until I call your name. Let's do this. Awesome. Okay. So let me see. Who else is scared with us? If you see us live on awesome. So we are live. I just confirm we are live on both YouTube and LinkedIn. How are you guys? So come on the chat if you can see us live and say hi. Where you from and what you go for 2022. Everybody say hi in the chat so that I can see that you are live with us. This is awesome. Okay. Let me see who else is there. Hello. Hello. This is great. Cool. So let's do this. Let me do a quick introduction and hello guys. This is Dr. Nancy Lee. And you are in my live free training regarding how you are able to break into product management with any background. And I am Dr. Nancy Lee, Director of Product and Future Inforves. I've helped 100 people land their dream PM job offer in fan companies and unicorn startups and continue to get promoted as a product leader. If you're interested in product management training, please go to drnancy.com, this website to learn more about our different kind of services including resume review, all the way to end-to-end job hunting strategy packages for you guys. Awesome. So go to website drnancy.com to learn more. And today, we are going to talk about how you're able to break into product management with any background. So that's a key with any background. What do we do? We also have one of our guests, Cynthia. She's going to do marketing with me directly. Okay. But before we get started, so let me quickly go through this, go through today's deck. Share with you any of those methodology, how you're able to break into PM from any background. Can you guys see my screen right here? I think you can double check on our streaming. I think you guys can. Awesome. Cool. All right. So here's what we're going to cover today. How would you break into PM with any background? Any background can become product management. What do you do? And what's the best methodology to do it? Okay. So before we get started, let's talk about inspiring stories. Actually, this is our student Iris. And people in the two weeks or so, you will see a YouTube video of him with Iris. So basically she is somebody with a master degree, graduating next year. And right now this summer she already landed internship offered from Microsoft and ServiceNow. Even if we're all going through recessions, she still landed her internship. Her background was also in information science, transition into product management. Just like almost all of you guys trying to figure out how can you break in with any different kind of backgrounds. And by the way, lots of people may talk about, well, maybe that company is having layoffs, there's no opportunities. However, she still breaks into Microsoft. And of course, there are fewer opportunities out there, but there's different alternative solutions, which are going to share with you today, which is looped into tier one company, but non-fan companies, such as different kind of healthcare companies and healthcare industries still growing very quickly and hide lots of people and some fintech companies. And in the past couple of months, the majority of offers actually came from fintech companies. Those are great opportunities for you guys to continue to grow your career in the product management space as well. Okay. But I do want to share with you regarding Iris challenges. She's just like most of you guys. First of all, she doesn't have much experience. And second, she also have hard time regarding managing the balance between looking for job, preparing for interviews, a gloss going on. So once you finish a resume review with us, you go to the website, docnancy.com, you can see different kind of resume review packages we have. So once you finish the resume review, she will realize, oh my goodness, this is like I can learn so many interviews, but I'm not ready. So she's juggling between having interviews, she would go out for interviews, or she would directly prepare for all the skills before even go out to learn her offer. And all the time management is such a challenge for her. And I believe all of you guys will soon experiences once you update your resume on through our help as well. Okay. So yeah, eventually, and the best strategy for her to do is that really try to improve herself first. Okay, so different kind of like curriculum, different module, different learning methodology, how to do better, you improve yourself first, your resume, your pitch, and try to do some more interviews first. And then you go out for like job hunting. That's much more efficient compared with you're not ready, you just apply for jobs online. And then just since they start to crash your confidence because most likely you're not able to land a job offer or interviews because the resume is not ready. And even if you land job offers, interviews, you are not getting the offer. So eventually hurt your confidence. So recommend you guys really get prepared before you go out. But there are opportunities out there, which I'm going to share with you later today. Now, also for people who is joining us live, make sure to go to this website, documents.com slash 50 fan to download the interview questions database that you can use here for you are any upcoming interviews. Okay. And we know today since they joined us do like mock interviews, the question is, how would you get free coaching from me? You can direct email my team at info at pmsr.io or fill in the form in the description of this video, this is a Google form, you can fill in the information and my team will send you a link to join me live on Zoom as well. And of course, people has the most like share and comment of my Instagram or LinkedIn post is going to have the high chance of getting selected to receive free coaching as well. Okay. So final reminder, anybody who is interested in learning product for photo. So next week, we're having live masterclass with teach you learn how to create teeter product for photo in two weeks that will land you PM offers during a recession, even you will reject it again and again. Okay, so I'll go to this website, the construction masterclass and learn the best strategy to create a product for photo and join me live there. Awesome. So and, and yeah, we'll also have different kind of like job hunting strategy actually tomorrow. Go to this website, our inner circle tomorrow is about how would you use the chat GBT to pass any interview. All right. So this is our last month inner circle, my team hasn't update yet, but you go to this website, darkness.com slash inner circle, you're getting a link to join me tomorrow regarding how would you able to use chat GBT to pass any job interviews and go to darkness.com slash inner circle to learn more as well. And scan the screen code bar code to join different groups, LinkedIn group, and we check groups so that you are ready to find your marketing department as well. Okay. So let me put the inner circle link here. So people can join the chat GBT free training with me, you just need to register. Let me put it in the chat. So people can get it. Let me put it here. Yeah, you should, you guys should be able to receive the inner circle link and join me tomorrow regarding live training using chat GBT. Okay. So let me see. Oh, we also see lots of people here and the welcome people on YouTube. We have Javier, how are you from Irving, California? How are you? It is like eight o'clock. Your time start learning. How are you? Sharath, how are you? And hello, yes. So, hello. So Nancy, I've been applying to internship with my background in product by making my own product and application, but keep getting rejected. Is there something I can do to get the interview? I think several things could go wrong. If you already have building your product portfolio application on your site, likely you don't know how to package your resume. So that's some thinking and you need to directly figure out your resume strategy. Last week, we just launched our resume services. Okay. So let me show you how to do it. Okay. So number one, have your resume ready. Number two, have product portfolio ready. It looks like you already done a site project. So which means you can turn it into a product portfolio. Okay. Number three is have your 30 seconds elevator pitch ready. Three things ready and then you can get way more interviews. If something is very wrong, I think for your resume, because you have product portfolio, but you're getting rejected, so it's wrong with your resume. So let me share with you regarding where is the resume review. Where can you get resume review? Let me go here. If our resume review services is linked here. So go to our website.nihs.com. You go down here resume review. Okay. It's going to turn, take you here. So different kind of packages you can select to the resume review and you also have free training as well and download your resume template and different kind of like packages you can have. Basically, we have a brand server go different kind of packages and really depends on what do you select. Okay. We also have money back guarantee. If you don't then our interview was in 30 days, you get money back. You got full money back because we know the system works through our program. And yes, we guarantee job interviews if you do resume review with us. So check it out. I think something's wrong with your resume. If you already have put up a photo for other people, you have your resume ready, but you're still not getting interviewed. It's likely because you don't have a photo. Okay. So one of those two, what you have both, which means you don't know how to network. You don't know how to pitch yourself. Then you need to check out the 30 seconds at a bit of pitch training. Okay. Cool. All right. So now let me review regarding the strategies I need to share with you guys. Let me talk about how to break into PM with any background. So let me share this right here. Feel free to put your questions in the chat as well. I'm going to view all those questions. Okay. So this one, how to break into PM from any background. This is how exciting and I believe you guys can do it as well. So let me break it down for you guys. When you think of breaking into PM from any background, you need to put into different categories. One is you guys already have work experience, let's say as a marketer, as a data scientist, as a consultant, as a designer, all of those, this one group of people. Second group of people is you guys already have project. For example, you are in school, you have no experience at all, but you are starting to gain experience. So two groups of people. Okay. So now let's talk about someone who's not in school. In school, people will talk about different strategies for you guys. For people who already have experience, for example, this morning, we have a real doctor, I'm Dr. Nancy Lee, but we'll have a real doctor, medical doctor reach out to me and say, hey Nancy, I want to become a product manager, what do we do? So that's a real doctor. She come in to try to transition to product management. We also have a consultant, this happened many times. We have so many consultants in our program. We also recently we have someone from BCG consultant, we also have someone from like PWC, EY, those kind of companies in our program. All of the time, all of the place and have them many, many different like times in the past, right? Or have data scientists or software engineers broke into product management, all happening in the past. So let me show you for people who come from already have experience, work experience, but you have no PM experience, how you do it. Okay. Number one is, once you think about, you already have work experience. Let's use a consultant as an example, right? So a consultant, you never work on things and twin, but you have done something related to product management because you work with stakeholders, it's likely you know how to do voice a customer interview. So you also have done some digital transformation project as a consultant help companies to update the software systems. So those are very relevant to product management. How you transition into PM is, number one, you look into your past experience, whatever you did in the past, how much is relevant to product management? That's number one thing, immediately. Okay. And number two is, you need to learn to enter into product management life cycle. So you thought, oh, what I did here is the same as product management. What I did here is different from product management. So something's missing. Let me make a few things I don't have, but let me also highlight the strengths I have. That's it's the same or overlap with product management life cycle. So that's very important for you guys. Okay. Number three, once you compare your past experience and your recent experience, which is product management life cycle. And number three is to create a product portfolio to demonstrate. Let's say you are a software engineer or you're a consultant, data scientist, all of you guys own your product portfolio, which you demonstrate well. Here's my technical skills. For example, as a consultant have done voice-to-custom interview, those are the example personas. And those are the GTM strategy have done in the past. All of this are very important for you guys to highlight and talk about you already have done that before by demonstrating your skills through a product portfolio. That's the key. Okay. Very, very important. That's the key demonstrating you have done that through product portfolio immediately. So that's number one thing you should do right away. Okay. Number two, once you highlight on your product portfolio, you can directly send your product portfolio to the hiring manager, to the recruiter, show that you have done this before you should just interview me. This is crazy. This is important for everybody to get it done. Okay. So now the same group of people, which people with no experience, limited experience, let's say you're still in school, you literally have no work experience. Like, since they're getting nuts and crazy, right? So in those scenario, you need to come back to ask yourself, well, currently in my school, is there any project I can do that you can talk about and decide if they're relevant to product management? Don't do anything like, I don't know, something too far away from product management. You got to do something relevant to product management as much as possible, such as like interview customers on the same pain point, create MVP, minimum variable product, all of those are very relevant for you to create product portfolio. Okay. You can also go out, help out with a startup. You can also create an app on your own. You can do many different things. So all of those is turning into product portfolio. That's the number one thing everyone who has no experience with current in school, such as some of you guys say, hey, I want to look for what you are internship, permanent internship. Yes, you're not getting interviews. It's like either your resume is incorrect, or you go into interviews and you realize that people didn't, you didn't know how to present your product, a past project down in the past internal product portfolio. So that's the main problem you guys are facing. Okay, these two problems and very important problems that you guys are facing. That's why you're not getting those like interviews. Okay. And then do this too. I guarantee you you're going to at least then interviews. And for guys, you know how to interview well, pass those interviews, but then offer for short. Okay. So today we focus on the strategy, how to break in. Next time we can do mock interview. So we teach you how to actually like pass those interviews as well. But those are the proven strategy have been used by hundreds of managers that need the PM job offer. And I believe you can do it as well. So it is a bread and butter for all of us. If you're interested in product management course, go to darknancy.com. And number one thing is go here. I'm teaching product portfolio next week, teaching product portfolio right here. Let's click this link. Go to my website. Next week. Right here. So next we will teach you how to create a key product portfolio in two weeks that will help you land a PM job offer during a recession, even if you're getting rejected again and again. Okay, come to this website. And let me also post in the chat and come to this website so that you have the same link to register to learn about the effective way to build your product portfolio. Okay, cool. Is there any, let me post in the chat right here. You guys are putting the chat, the chat should pass through YouTube and LinkedIn at the same time. Awesome. So let me let me see questions here. Is there any certification available that's worth pursuing as a product manager? Have your access questions. So inside the product manager accelerator, we offer you certification as well. Okay, so that's going to help you to immediately get noticed by the recruiters and hiring manager. And actually, I forgot to tell you guys, we are currently hiring for Uber. So Uber asked us to hire the ads as product manager, lead as product manager, which means people run ads on Uber. So Uber asked us to hire these people and we actually have our B2B on, which is we're creating our recruiting services for B2B company. So we're working with company hire for them. Okay, so oh, how to get those free job referrals. So for people, that's why so our certification is extremely valuable. And those tech companies just ask us, Hey, can you hire people here and here? And then people get certification from our program, you're able to get our first selected by those companies who work with us. And in general, I personally believe that certification is not as important. It's more important the connections you can bring in those certifications. So that's why when you select those certifications, more of a, Hey, can I learn a job through those certifications? Those are important questions you ask them. So I highly believe our certification is very valuable. So you can just go and check it out. And now let me let me share with you guys regarding the Uber referral. So go here, did the docnancy.com slash match. Okay, you come here. docnancy.com slash match. You come to this website. Let me put in the chat as well. You get connected for recruiters for free. And this is our B2B site of the business. We connect with recruiters. And we hire people on behalf of those recruiters, such as this week, we're hiring on behalf of Uber. So you come to this form, you're filling this form. And then you're getting a Google form to submit your resume and we pass the resume to the Harry manager directly. Okay, let me put the link in the chat. Let me see. Let me see. Then go to the chat box. Okay, so you can submit your information there. Okay. And then we'll send you the connection with the recruiters. Okay, let me answer the next one. If any question based on your specific background, let me know. Okay, so which means you come here, you say, hey, Nancy, I have this background, what should we do? So because today we cover how would you transition to be on with from any background? Okay, so check it out. Put a question in the chat. So so Hill said Nancy ever heard the full program managers? Excel is the most important to know. No way. Is there anything I should know pre-programming language ever heard of analytical skills SQL and Excel? No, I don't think so. I don't think Excel is the most important thing for managers. I don't use Excel, my student working for those. I have 100 students through our training in PMX, learning the jobs everywhere. So they are they are not using. They use everybody use Excel, but they're not really like, hey, I use Excel to do my program management job. For sure, it's wrong advice. Okay, so now depends on the type of level you're you're looking for. And for example, if you're looking for an important management, knowing how to use JIRA, those tools are very important. Knowing how to actually manage different requirement use stories using JIRA board and Kanban board is the most important skills all of you guys need to master right away. Those important tools in the master not Excel for sure. Now SQL. SQL is optional 50-50% to be frank. And so none of my students, they came in and say, hey, I learned SQL. That's why I became a product manager. Not at all. Okay, really depends on the type of job you're looking for. If you're looking for product analyst job, product analyst, yes. I see SQL is important. Okay, if you're looking for product manager job depends on level, as I said. Product manager job, you don't need SQL at all because you have data science team who run SQL operasem to help you out. Okay, so the entry level, if you're product analyst, your name, your title is analyst. Yes, you need to run SQL. That's just say, for sure, just the data for analysts, but product manager, there's someone run SQL operasem for you. All right, so that's that's a reason you don't need it. But people make sure to like this video, hit the like button of this video. Okay, everyone, please do that. Hit the like button of this video so more people will discover our organic content. And free coaching as well. So, classic. How to transition from data analyst to PM? Is it good to have a good data analytics skills for PM? Oh, very good. Data analyst to PM. All right, so very good question, classic. For data analyst to PM. So first of all, I want you to change your mindset. Everybody can become a PM. You can. I have seen someone like working for like SolarCity. And Elon Musk, one of the company, he owns SolarCity as well. He owns Tesla. He owns many of them company in Queen's SolarCity. Years ago when I transitioned to PM, I talked to someone that was crazy. That person's background is history major with psychology major. He came up with a manager. You already have analytics skills as data scientists. Yes, data analyst. You can become a manager for sure. Actually, our students who have the data analyst background, data background became a manager much faster than other people because they know something end to end for their how product was built. Okay, so now let's talk about data analyst. How to transition from data analyst to PM? Number one thing, when you transition from data analyst to PM, you need to do the following. You need to really understand how is your data is making impact to business. You need to see things end to end. For example, you have data insight. How is leading to new product features? You ask you this question. And then how would you propose different features on the road? I should talk about those on your resume as well in interviews as well. Okay. And then as a data analyst, when you should see data as your own product, it's very critical. See data as your own product and start growing and think about, well, I already have data as a product. What do I do next? It's about how would you improve data as your own product, maybe data platform or data systems? How would you improve data as your own product so that you are able to quickly talk about your already have related management experience? Okay, number one. And number two, for the part you don't have, for example, very analytical, probably you understand how to work with the engineering team, what's business insight, but you don't have those kind of customer interfacing experience, right? Which means you don't know how to create product of the customer persona at the data analyst. What you do is you create a product portfolio. You actually need to go out to interview customers, understand the pain point, and create a customer persona on your product portfolio. And then you will have an end to an experience. So that's the number one thing you need to do right away. So next week, I'm teaching you guys how to create product portfolio. All right, so you should go there. So where is the product portfolio thing is here again. Here again, where is the product portfolio thing? We are talking about this next week. Yeah, next week I'm teaching like learn how to create a product portfolio in two weeks that will lend to PM job offers during the recession, even if you keep getting rejected again and again. Okay, so come here. Now let me continue the Q&A one second, bring up the questions. Okay, it is good to have a great data and that is skills for PM. If you already have it, it's great. I think it's very relevant because you can start to analyze data to understand the impact to customers. But the scope of thinking what you have is very small. It's not about analyzing data. Yes, it's good to have. It's more about your strategic decision. Here is data, what does it mean to my customers? How can I use the data to propose different kind of features we need to build? And why when I build a feature, it's going to actually bring in different kind of positive interactions with my customers. That's the key. Okay, this is my analyzing that. It's a next step. It's a part of vision, part of strategy, part of decision. These are very critical for you guys to learn and analyze. Okay. But yeah, that's the foundation skills. It's good. You have it already. It's good. You don't need to add anything to it for sure. Okay, it's the next level we are missing. Data is very different from having a vision, knowing what product to build, writing requirements, telling and generating what to do. Those are very different skills. Okay, you master other skills. We actually cover the real life skills as a product manager in our training. Product manager accelerator. So how to join product manager accelerator, you should go to master class first, learn about our program, different packages, and how to use product portfolio. Product portfolio is our foundation strategy for people to land a result faster and also build confidence and gain experience. Okay, the number one thing, after you finish master class, you can submit application to talk to our head mission to see the good fit for the program. Okay. Sarash said, any recommendation for transition to PN was a background in QA and for me there was agile project delivery and the relevant tools. Oh, very good. Very good. We have a mentor who transitioned into PN with QA, our mentor, she transitioned into PN. She has 12 years QA experience. Okay, so yes, you can do it happen. You can make it happen. So another student, Shassana should also have like many 12 years. I see more than 10 years QA experience as well. Yes, you can. The number one thing is, yes, you can transition into PN with QA background. Here's what you need to do. Number one thing, as a QA, evaluate how much you had is relevant to product management. For example, you know agile, so you know how to work with software engineering team. This is amazing. This is amazing. Okay. Number two thing is, you need to answer what you don't have. For example, sounds like you don't have much customer interaction. And also sounds like when you work on QA, you don't know the GTM strategy, go-to-market strategy. So what you need to do is, you know, I understand when you deliver like QA as a product, did you work with internal stakeholders? Did you understand the needs and desire and pain points? So you need to work on those right away so that you were like, oh, great. This is how things work, like needs and desire from my stakeholders and turn it into requirements and turn it into the engineering facing and user stories so that your team can work on it as well. So it's more about how you learn in real life, oh, this is what product management is doing. Now, my current job is QA, I have stakeholders. I understand their requirement. I write a requirement and then they create customer persona. You just need to do it in the right way. Okay. And then that's how you transition from QA to PM. And then the key is when you're QA, let's say your current job is very limited opportunities for you to talk to stakeholders and then you should build a product portfolio outside. Build a product portfolio outside of your existing program. Okay. So do that immediately. Do it outside of your existing program. So which means that you can build a product portfolio completely on your own, working with some startups or working with other like group of people. And in our program, we teach you how to create your own product portfolio. You can form a team within our program. You can also do it on your own, the different kind of paths and strategies we do so that you can create a product portfolio within two weeks and start to pitch yourself transition, start your transitioning process. Okay. That's how you do. At QA, high confidence, you can, yes. Lots of people become with QA background. They can become professional. I believe you can as well. Okay. So the worst thing for people think about transition into PM itself, disqualify themselves. Let me define this. Okay. I have someone come in. It's very, it's very crazy. Let me show you this. I have module, module slide and module two. Actually, I taught module two yesterday. Let me share with you something I taught in my live class on Sunday. We have a Sunday Thursday training inside PM so let me show you this one. It's about your mindset shift. Okay. So this is the class we taught last Sunday regarding product behavior, interview, how you talk about how you tell the stories, everything's there. Now, when people come in, this is one of my students, actually March 11th. You see March 11th and last March 11th, last Friday, she messaged me, hey, good new to share. Finally, the girls PM offered in the US at the Singapore ring, the only official move here one month ago. Thank you for your advice, encouragement, and, and, and getting up was amazing community. Couldn't have made it without you and your help. Okay. So my, my point is, our students, this one answer will have many students like this. So a student from Thailand and a job in the US. Okay. Well, students, she's from Singapore and a job in the US as well. All right. So my point is when also, and by the way, she doesn't have PM experience, she was doing some environmental engineering stuff like she doesn't know PM at all. And the job she receives is actually cloud, like girls PM, she's working cloud space. She changed her industry completely changed country, change her profession, change her industry completely 200%. Okay. So for lots of people, we heard this, you should be like, well, I'm so inspired as a people who is not even in the US can move to the US to make it happen. I'm just going to figure out how I can make it happen as well. Okay. And follow the same strategy, build a portfolio, learn how to do mock interviews, and how to answer questions regarding girls for the manager, what kind of questions about us regarding girls, defined girls, everything. Okay. We teach people inside the program. But I want you guys to start us as your mindsets in a while. People in Singapore, then a job in the US. I am already in the US. I can do it as well. We also people in London, they learn, they're trying to learn a job in London like through globally. Okay. But if you change your mind, if you start to give yourself the wrong idea, so you change it to mass and how I must make it happen, I will make happen. I must become part of manager. I will make it happen. Okay. Instead of people may see this as yes or no. Oh, oh, that sounds very challenging. Maybe it's easy for her difficult for me. So it's not yes or no. Can I make it happen? It's a yes difficult, easy for her. No difficult for me. This is like a wrong mindset. You should be like, oh, that sounds really like challenge, challenging. She's in Singapore. She learned a job in the US. How is possible? This is crazy. This is crazy. So let me figure out how I can do it as well. Okay. You need to make a mass. This is mass. And we figure out how we'll teach you how inside the program manager. But I want you, everyone out there will also have free training on YouTube. But I want you to start looking into the, oh, this is also possible. So yes, this is definitely, we can do it. Let me figure out how you said, oh, this might be difficult for me with my background. No, you make it a mass and how. Okay. Cool. Okay. Let me see any follow-up questions we have. Let me go. I have too many tabs open. So I sort of said, what can lay off SWE software engineering folks do if I want to switch to PMRO and not target any software engineering role? Okay. Cool. All right. Immediately, if you lay off, actually, we have layoff people pass. We have layoff people pass. Instead of PM excelsure, actually, we're adding additional training for people layoff. We have dedicated time and study pass for people layoff. Actually, Monday, I've announced during Lauren, she was also layoff trying to tell her how she's able to finish all the curriculum just within two weeks and immediately let it drop ASAP. Okay. So now with software engineering job, your layoff, first of all, let's see this as a learning opportunity. Basically, God tells you that, well, you know what, you don't really love being a software engineer. And your layoff now is time for you to rethink what you want to do for the rest of 20 years. The reason is, how come we understand this? Let's say you start working at age of 20, you work in a 60, you'll have 40 years to do your work. So it's important you start to think about, wow, I have 40 years to do my work, I'd better do something that I really love. Okay. God makes you a decision saying that you will lay off a software engineer, but God also make decision to say that I said, hey, yeah, God is telling you maybe you should really focus on something you love. Okay. So first of all, change your mindset, feel like God give me a hint. I need to focus on something I really love, which is product management. Okay. So now, how can you transition from software engineer to like PMRO, easy. We have a student Priyanka, many different students out there, Panku became a product manager. All of them became a product manager with software engineering background. No problem. Panku even learned senior PM position, senior PM title, he's getting paid over $400,000 per year. Okay. So you can, you can as well. Okay. Now, important, important thing I want you to focus on is the following. So if your software engineer will switch to product manager role, number one thing is you really need to understand how much of your past experience rather than the PM, because you understand agile methodology. So when you work with other engineers, do you suggest any ideas, do you suggest any features, right? All of those, you can extract from your past experience, right? You could be a technical product owner of certain features, that's you. Okay. But before you are able to claim yourself being a technical product owner, you should come back to ask yourself this, okay, do I know internal product management life cycle? Or do I know what does PM do? Because we don't want you to land a PM job, and then you don't know how to do the job. So that, that's just very bad. Okay. So it's important you learn it upfront. Okay. First of all, number one, learn product management internal and cycle upfront. What is customer, so now what do they do? How to talk to customers, to understand the needs and create like features on product portfolio, on product roadmap, all of this. Okay. So number two is you need, because your software engineer, you're very technical, you're missing the customer interaction. I want you to build a product portfolio right away. Okay. Which means that when you build a product portfolio, you can do with a group of people, you can help it start up many different ways. I'm going to cover more regarding product portfolio in my live training. Live training next masterclass. Anybody see this? Okay. I have live training masterclass next week. Go to darkness.com right here. Darkness.com slash masterclass. Once you go on my website, it's easy. You can locate the masterclass easily. Go to darkness.com, you should find it. Okay. So my point is go there and learn to build a product portfolio because your software engineer background just needs to demonstrate, well, clearly, people think I don't have customer-facing experience, so you need to create a product portfolio. But now, some of you guys, Foyzama Prankou and Priyanka, they are doing customer-facing job, but they are more internal customer-facing. Internal customers are the stakeholders within the company. It's also considered as customers, not a B2C customers. You just need to do lots of evaluation and understand how things work in real life. And then you can see clearly what I did here is product management, what I did here, the stakeholders, this customer persona. I proposed some kind of features. All of this is going to help you out significantly. But you also need to do other part that identify what actually you don't have and build a product portfolio outside of work as well. So that's how you make it happen. Okay. So for lay-off people, we have a speed-up track for all of you guys that we tell you what exactly you can do to speed up the process within two weeks. You can finish all of our curriculum within two weeks. Immediately, go dive into this new era. Okay. Go to Dakini City Council a little more and go to our masterclass. We'll talk. Okay. Event. Come from support background to QA to PM. Biggest advice I can give is to do a side project, interact with the organization, current designer and PM, what they need help with. Yeah. Great advice. This is great. Cool. Yes. Exactly. Do a side project and become and turn it into a product portfolio. Cool. Very helpful. Thank you. This message only work if you're already part of a team. Much easier is encode applying for junior PM jobs. Yes. You're part of a team. You can turn it. If you're not part of a team, create a platform outside of your existing product and experience. Awesome. Networking is super important. And though it's not talk much, yes. Networking is important. Cool. Cool. Thank you for providing your feedback. Vince, this is awesome. See example. Hey, guys, love to share a little bit all of your success, right? Support to QA to PM. You can do the same thing as well. Awesome. So, let me see. Do we have... Oh, we also have pre-submit question. Let me go to pre-submit question. Let me go to my... Yeah. Feel free to put more questions here in the chat. Let me see those pre-submit questions. Oh, yeah. So, those are our offer celebration. Two weeks ago, that was in February. We haven't posted this week's offer celebration. I will... Actually, we have people actually. Crazy. Two on my... Three. Actually, three. Last week, three of my students actually, like, then offering PM space and all of them do not have PM experience. Okay. They all break into PM. Very excited to see it. And of course, last month, when Amazon and Meta offer, very excited. So, let's read... Let's answer this question. Rejoiting wrote, I can cross require two to three years experience in product. So, how could I reach a position that will freshen up? Very good question. Okay. So, now, when they ask you, they require two to three years experience in product. It doesn't mean you have to have a product manager title. You are someone who's doing something related to product management, such as some of you guys put in the chat, we're going, hey, I am a software engineer who recently off and I want to transition to PM. What do I do? Right? So, people like that, you need to come in to understand, well, exactly. This is what I need to do. As you're... As a software engineer, some of your tasks is running product management. You just need to better talk about it and better understand how much of your software engineer task is relevant to it. Okay. And then for the part you don't have, you create a portfolio and then you can qualify yourself to a two to three years experience in product related field. All of you guys have transferable skills to become a product manager. I want to make it clear to you. Only 91% of people today's PM, they do not have a PM title and the transition into PM. 91%. You are those 91%? Yes. Okay. So, when you just get started, your past software engineering experience, data science experience, those are relevant to product management. You just need to know how to package better using a product portfolio. Really understand. Okay. So, I did this. What's my value add to the company? That's something to think about. But you cannot just throw it out and say, oh, I'm a software engineer. I already have two years PM experience. No, no, no. You should repackage it yourself to understand, well, how much this is relevant to product? What's my value proposition to the end to end product management lifecycle? You learn it first and then you can better package yourself to a product portfolio. Okay. So, therefore, you don't need, nobody will ask for have zero PM experience in any job descriptions. It's stupid. Nobody will ask for it at all. Okay. You totally don't need it. What you need is, understand your past experience, identify transfer skills to become a PM. Okay. Show those differences through a product portfolio. Okay. Kanee said, how to build a capstone product presentation? Oh, very good. Very good. See this free training. Okay. Capstone product presentation. Number one thing is, you identify some project that's product related and now you build your final presentation. Let me show you what you need to do. Go to my YouTube channel and have free training here. By the way, hey, guys, you guys need to come here. VP of product, Google is speaking on my podcast in two weeks. Two weeks time you're able, and then selected candidate, people are able to join Zoom with VP of product of this Rob to join me together. Okay. You guys can do the same thing and come here and Rob's bio, everything is VP of Google's come here. Okay. People who didn't get lucky to join a Zoom, you can just watch the slide right here. But if you're interested, there is a place you can believe. Oh, I believe in my, so here's how to do it. We will send invitation for people to join us on Zoom, but you need to directly join our email list first. So go to this website and click this link. You join our email newsletter. And then we send email saying, hey, some pre-selected candidate, people you can join Rob to do live discussion. He's a VP of product, Google. Okay. So now digress a little bit, come here to do capstone presentation. Capstone presentation, you come here. Here is, it's a take on assignment video. Take on assignment right here. Best tip prepared for door dashboard manager, take on assignment. Learn off right here. Okay. So do your project first, and then we present your capstone at the same thing. You follow this video. Let me put a video here. Follow this video. When you present your capstone project, follow the same exact strategy. You can quickly achieve the best outcome using the same strategy. Okay. Cool. So I put a link in the chat. Awesome. Cool. Oh, I like what Vince said. If you're a folks that never had downline before, if individual realized that they actually do have transferable skills and experience, they will know how to apply it exactly. You just need to identify your transferable skills. Awesome. Awesome. So and let me continue. Let me go back here. I'm sharing this one. So I show next question. In Sheen said, how to best prepare and answer behavior question? What are the common behavior questions? Very good question. Okay. Best prepared behavior question is, first of all, you know the typical behavior questions, which is turn a product on concept to execution. And also, how would you prioritize your roadmap? Why do you want to become a PM? Tell me a time we had a conflict with someone else. This happens all the time. All the time. Okay. So immediately, what we need to do is that when you prepare for behavior interview, we invented something called Grille framework, which means stands for G stands for get to the point. R means rationale. Y is the important issue for them to address. A stands for action. I stands for impact. L stands for learning. So that's what we invented, Grille framework. Okay. So when you answer any questions, you need the better way to prepare for those questions is, first of all, master the framework, which is Grille framework, as we just mentioned. And number two, you need to talk about the impact upfront, and why people need to listen to your story. And then you answer your question in a better way, based on what the highway managers want to hear. So each time we answer questions about, let me tell you my life story, it's about, oh, let me tell you exactly what the highway manager is looking for, for example, turning a product from concept execution, looking for three faces approach, okay, to understand what they're looking for first and put it into the thing that I hear. So that's way easier way for you to have interview compared with someone just let me tell you what happened. That's no, that's not a good way to do it. Okay, so let me show you the sample answers. What is my sample answers? So go to my YouTube channel. There's the sample answer. Oh, this is right here. I have a playlist of sample interview questions. You just use it. The manager interview questions, the answers go to the playlist has different kind of like sample answers you can use to answer your upcoming interview questions. Okay, this must to do a must wash and also wash my latest chativity videos out there. How many views do I have for chativity? Almost 1000. So you guys can come and give a like almost 1000 likes 1000 views in 26 sites. Come and like and check out the how to use chativity pass any job interviews. Okay, cool. Let me, where is my slide? YouTube lifestyle guy. So I show next question. PME program, okay, Catherine. So here is how to do it. We, number one, we have a coaching program and we teach you how to end how you break into product management and 80% of students do not have PME experience. The other 20%, they're, they try to become a director product senior PM. So they're very senior people 20% very senior 80% they are more junior people like you guys. Okay. So stand number one to join our provides to go to this masterclass go to darknessy.com like on my screen darkness to come and also the link on masterclass is also in the description of this video. Okay, go here to learn how to create here a parliamentary portfolio in two weeks that will help you to land the PM job offers you a recession even if you keep getting rejected. Okay, so attend this masterclass and then towards the end of masterclass was learn different packages we have with very different people very different background select the packages more work both best for you and then talk to our head mission to see if you're qualified for the program. Okay, so come here take time that works best with you guys. Okay, is this right time? Great. Cool. Let me put it here in the chat. So you guys have it as well. I think I answered all the questions. I think I answered all the questions. Let me see. Yes, I believe we went through all the questions. All set. All right, thank you guys for asking the questions live. Let me see the chat window. Awesome. Okay, great. We covered a lot today and thank you for joining me. Make sure to like this video. 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