 Esta semana en News 24, Israel bajo ataque. News 24 en español trae el análisis y la información de los acontecimientos de la guerra, espadas de hierro. Entrevistas exclusivas reportes desde la zona de guerra, la reacción de los países hispanoparlantes. News 24, el único medio en español que te mantiene informado y conectado con la comunidad latina en Israel. News 24, únicamente en I-24 News. Soy Benisa Levine. Presidente Isaac Herzog es reiterando el teléfono urgente para todos. 129 hostegers, más o menos, del grupo Hamas-Terra en Gaza serán realizados de capturidad, diciendo que Israel está listo para una otra pausa humanitaria para asegurar el release de los hostegers. Él también dijo a un grupo de diplomatas que las organizaciones internacionales necesitan hacer más para facilitar el delivery de asistencia a Gaza. La más joven hostegera en capturidad es el bebé Kfir Bibas, 9 años anteriores, en el momento de la bruta asalto de Hamas-Terra y abdunción en el 7 de octubre. Él es ahora 11 años anteriores. Los hostegers más anteriores son en sus 80 años. Incluyen los tres hombres, que han sido publicados en el video de la propaganda de Hamas, más que 24 horas antes. Hayan Perri, Amiram Cooper y Yoram Metzger. No es claro cuando ese video fue recordado, toda parte de la manipulación psicológica que ha sido utilizada por el grupo Terra. Sin embargo, en la frontera, la pelea ha intensificado dentro de la bruta asalto. La confirmación de que el soldado mató en la bruta asalto de la bruta asalto hoy fue el soldado de 25 años en la reserva de Maoz Fenigstein, que llevó a 132, el número de soldados israelíos, a la operación de la operación de la bruta asalto. Antero en el día, un barrage mayor de rocades fue lanzado de Gaza a el centro de Sud. Israel no ha tenido ni injurías, el día 74 de la guerra. Mientras así, los Estados Unidos ha anunciado la formación de una coalición de 10 países que responde a los ataques contra el asalto internacional. Los estrellados por el grupo iraniano en el punto natural del barrage mayor de Babamandab están tratando de impactar los precios de energía del mundo como su correspondiente Robert Swift explica en este reporte. Los Estados Unidos y 9 otros países están formando una coalición internacional naval. Su trabajo es contra la escalación de ataques en el Red Sea, un riesgo que es destruir una ruta transitaria que contiene 12% de el mercado global. Hemos lanzado la operación de la guardia de la prosperidad bajo la embriola de las fuerzas de maratina y bajo la liderazza de la TAS Force 153. Los otros países tienen el derecho a morir frecuentemente en la coalición internacional. Canadá, la Unión, Francia, Italia, los Netherlands, Noruega, Seychelles, España y Bahrein participan, mediante contribuir a los estrellados o a las asistencias de inteligencia. Las acciones de la fuerza multinacional pueden llevarse a partir de las lanzaciones de la interceptación de la TAS Force a partir de la acción de los grupos en Lleman, que, por lo tanto, se parecen reluctantes a hacer. Los países adicionales están involucrados en la formación, pero han desplazado para anunciarse así públicamente. Estados como Egipto, Jordan, la UAE y Saudi Arabia están reportadamente preocupados con el desplazamiento que podría venir de confrontar a los Houtis directamente. Por supuesto, estamos preocupados sobre la potencia de escalación. Nuestra región es muy complexa porque no necesitamos más conflictos y, por lo tanto, esperamos que podamos evitar más escalaciones en nuestra región. Los Houtis dicen que continuará atacando los estrellados de las portas de Israel durante las operaciones en Gaza. ¿Cómo el grupo de Lleman y sus bares iranianos respondrán a la coalición naval que es inclinada? Y puede depender de cómo agresivamente mantiene el desplazamiento de los Houtis. Así que, aún en el estudio, el mayor general en las reservas, Etan Dungart, formar secretario militar a tres ministros de defensa y formar coordinador de actividades de gobierno en las teraturas palestinianas en la IDF y a nuestro señor diplomático correspondiente, Owen Altman. Muchas gracias por estar aquí para este broadcast de breaking news. Y los Houtis están volviendo para mantener los atacos a Red Sea. ¿Qué hace de estos colegios que están en contra de ellos? ¿Es suficiente? ¿Es la respuesta que esperabas? Primero, voy a comenzar a decir que la política de Israel no se reaccionó rápido contra los Houtis y hizo la prioridad en la otra dirección en Gaza y dejó este problema para la comunidad internacional porque es un problema global. Creo que está mostrando que es muy correcto. Pero, por ahora, es la responsabilidad en los países que están en contra de los Estados Unidos. Si es suficiente, la respuesta es no. Seguramente, creo que el Houtis es la excusa. El problema es iraniano. Esta es la razón de todo. Y creo que el mensaje que signará contra los Houtis por una política diplomática o por militares por Estados Unidos será un mensaje que será llevado a Irán. Es algo mucho más grande porque el problema de tomar este lugar que es el 70% del tráfico contra las actividades del mundo que traen todos los recursos y rompiendo el dinero de la egipcia que está llegando desde el canal de Suets es algo que causa un montón de países a ser involucrados. Pero el efecto que veis que los países árabes que no están apoyados no tienen la corresa de estar en la frontera o parte de esta coalición. Pero la respuesta será, creo, muy pronto. Si las actividades diplomáticas serán respondidas por los Houtis tenemos que esperar de algunas actividades militares que han empezado y creo que va a ser soltado muy rápido y una cosa sobre ello. Israel también debería cerrar y dar a los Houtis una respuesta en el campo militar en el momento en el que vamos a encontrarlo listo para hacerlo que no estará ahora, pero después. Y la respuesta. Quiero decir que no estamos bloqueando el Red Sea. Estamos hablando de la lanzamiento de roquets, la lanzamiento de UAV. Así que esto es algo que es un tratamiento a Israel y en el campo militar cuando el tiempo viene y nosotros estamos encontrando el tiempo correcto para reaccionar tenemos que responder a los Houtis que tengan el Pueblo de Jesús en el campo militar sobre y sobre lo que está transpirando en El Garza Strip sobre y sobre las tensiones en el West Bank como hablamos ¿Puede Israel manejar todos los frances de una vez? Sí, pero la respuesta que no recuerdo es la respuesta para tu pregunta y tú estás bien. Tenemos prioridades y todo el mundo Narendra Modi Owen. So he has his work cut out for him. Not only is this war unfolding longer than many had expected. Not only is he facing political pressure at home. He also needs to reach out to many other players to make sure they are on side when it comes to this Houthi threat. Your thoughts on the task in front of the Israeli prime minister diplomatically. Yeah, diplomatically you're right. He does worry about the Houthis, but as Eitan and you were discussing a success for Israel, of course the logic led this way. It wasn't only Israel's effort, so it did include those, but the logic led to this being seen not as an Israeli problem, but an issue of global governance, right? Given the impact of the international economy, and I go back to what I say, you can tell a story, right? And Eitan started to tell it that this is an Iranian activity. This is an Iranian strategy for Iran to flex his muscles, show how much leverage it has so it can choke off this incredibly important artery for global commerce, and until you sit down with Iran, the Red Sea doesn't open. You can tell that story, but on the other hand, from the narrow Houthi perspective, this just doesn't make any sense. Why are the Houthis antagonizing the Seychelles, right? I mean, that's the absurdity. The Seychelles are going into the 10 member coalition because they feel they need to do so. What on earth do the Houthis in the mountains of Yemen have against the people on the beaches of the Seychelles? Again, it just points to the illogic in what they're doing for their own interests, where they had essentially carved out a place for themselves brutally, right? In a horrific war in Yemen that involved brutality and activity from both sides. Why is it that they see an advantage, not in attacking Israel, it's aggression when they do it, as Eitan said, but there's at least a logic to it, but the logic for the Houthis in doing this doesn't seem to make much sense, perhaps in the wider frame, seen from an Iranian frame, it starts to make some sense, but even there it's a real gamble for Iran, because again, as Eitan was saying, there could be a reaction against the Houthis who have done so much to antagonize, not just Israel, but so much of the world against them. Oh, and ultimate, Eitan, thank God, stay with us. We've got much more to discuss, but right now we're going to check back in with our Emily Francis. She joins us once again from Tel Aviv where the families of hostages are waiting for answers. What is the latest there, Emily? What can you tell us? Hi, Benita. Yeah, well, we are after 90. You can still see there's still a lot of people here. They are not giving up the hope and the momentum of demanding the release of the hostages. We did just hear from a representative of the family who was not present in the meeting with the prime minister, but was relaying a message to everybody, not on a microphone, basically saying that from what, you know, not giving exact words because he wasn't in the meeting, but basically saying there was some progress in that meeting, but there's definitely still a big concern about releasing hostages and having to then release terrorists that are in jails here in Israel, also a concern of a growing momentum of extreme right wing groups, potentially beginning to protest against the hostage families, saying that it could lead to more blood on our hands. So there is definitely, from what this gentleman told me, in my limited Hebrew, where I was listening to the Hebrew, there's a little bit of momentum, we're not anywhere near any kind of deal, obviously there's still a very, very delicate balance from both sides. But again, the families are going to keep pushing forward, you've been hearing them all night, they've been chanting all night, even as senior people from the military are starting to leave the Kira, the IDF headquarters here, but they are here all night, even behind me, you can see there's still families and tents where the families of the hostages are sleeping. So they're also asking people to continue coming here every night, to every night to lend support and not to forget and not to stop this fight to bring these hostages home, especially after the terror and the horror of what we've seen over the past week between the video that was released yesterday of three of the hostages in custody and of course, what happened on Friday, it continues to be a very, very tenuous situation. But again, they are not losing hope and asking for more support and for anybody who wants to come here and be here, it just helps in the resolve, in the fortitude and in the overall morale of trying our best to bring these hostages home, especially with so many, with medical conditions, so many that we don't know if they've been killed in Hamas's hands, there's still just a lot to be very, very worried and concerned about. So many questions remain unanswered. Thank you so much. Our Emily Francis, live from Tel Aviv. Thank you, Emily. Now, as we've been discussing at the moment, 129 hostages are being held captive in Gaza, held for more than 10 weeks by Hamas terrorists. They include the Bebas family from Kibbutz, near Oz. Mom, Sherry, dad, Yardan, four-year-old son, Ariel, and nine-month-old baby, Kfir Bebas. He is now 11 months old. The two redhead boys becoming a heart-wrenching symbol for Israelis. The footage of Sherry and her boys etched in the minds of a nation waiting for news on how they are doing, waiting for word on when they will come home. And so we now welcome Yossi Schneider. He is the cousin of Sherry. Bebas joining us now from Holon, Yossi. Thank you so much for your time. We cannot imagine what you and your family are going through. That footage of Sherry and four-year-old Ariel, baby, Kfir. Nine months old at the time of the abduction, it's difficult to get out of one's mind. The sheer terror on Sherry's face, facing that pure evil. Your family is begging for answers. Tell us more about what you know. What can you share this day? First of all, I want to tell you that just yesterday, Kfir celebrate his 11 months. So he's almost three months en some all on the ground. And then third of his life is in captivity. So I don't think that people can really comprehend the size of this thing, the danger that he's into. Because it's not just danger in his life that he can be killed by Hamas. He also can be suffer from health issues because he needs vitamins, he needs formulas. He needs things that are crucial for him in this stage of his life to grow. So if he doesn't get them, he can suffer from permanent health problems. So as you can imagine, our days and nights are very... There is no difference between days and nights for us. We are always into it. We are always trying to tell their stories to the world. We are always trying to speak with the diplomats to do whatever they can to release them as soon as possible. And it's meant today. It's so unbelievable to think that a baby is in captivity, as you say, spending more than two months. We don't know, in darkness, in a tunnel, in a home, in several homes. What did you make of the fact that the Red Cross hasn't been able to get to any of the hostages? Obviously, there are elderly people who we know need medication and need medical attention, but a baby as well. What do you make of the fact that the Red Cross just hasn't got there up until now? I think that they are hypocrites. They act like an economic company, a Islamic group because they get into Gaza all the time to take care of and to take people from Gaza to the hospitals and give them medicines and supplies to meet with Hamas. They direct contact with them all the time. So for them to say that they have no option to speak with Hamas right now is a big lie. It's only because they are the samex and they are hypocrites. That's what I can say about it. It is so difficult to even look at the pictures. We're looking at a smiling, gorgeous baby, queer Bebas capturing the heart of the whole nation. And I have no doubt mothers just around the world looking at that magnificent smiling child. Yossi, talk to us about the Hamas psychological warfare over and above the videos that have been sent out. There was also the uncertainty about specifically what had happened to the Bebas family reports at one point that Hamas said they may have handed them over to another terror group. I can't imagine how that impacted you and your family, all this uncertainty, all these horrific games, all this evil. Talk to us. Hamas told us that they transferred them to another group that's called Chazita Amemit. So they just sold them like there's some kind of a pet, some kind of a game. They sold them to another organization. So think out their mind that crooked to sell a baby and his mother and his young brother just like that they are nothing. The playing psychological game with us just yesterday I met one of the hostages, one of the female hostages that came back. And I just spoke with her and I saw a person that's sitting in front of me that is speaking with me and is alive. But if you see the look on her face and the look on her eyes you can see that she's dead from inside. They play such a bad psychologically game with her that even though she's more than two weeks here in Israel she's still scared from them. She's still scared to tell a story because she doesn't know what they can do to her. So think how evil they are that they traumatize her so much. They send them a movie of Yerden that they told them that she and the kids have been dead have been killed by IDF. And he's crying for help. And they just playing with his soul and mind. And I don't know who's kidnapping a young baby like fear. I don't know what exactly they was afraid for him that they needed to kidnap him. What this terrorist from Hamas when he saw him the first time what he thought that he can do to him. He was afraid that what, that fear gonna attack him that his baby gonna kill him or something. He just say, yeah, he was just nine months old baby. Why you kidnap a baby? What you want to do with it? You knew when he kidnap him that his chance to survive in this condition in Gaza are very low. So why did he do that? He's not a soldier, he's not a warrior. There is rules, even in war there is rules. You cannot do whatever you want. Hamas kidnap them. Hamas holding them right now. Hamas is totally responsibility for their life. Nobody else responsible for their life, just Hamas. Exactly like if there was any prisoners in any country in the world. So this country will 100% have responsibility for their life and safety of these prisoners. The people that in Gaza right now, they are not prisoners. The people that have been kidnapped from their bed, they are not prisoners. And they're responsible to their lives and they're killing our people. They showing movies of them and pictures of them that being dead to the families. I don't know if you are a mother, if you have children. But think about it to open your Facebook to open your telegram or whatever and see a movie of your children that you waited for them to come back. You pray for them and open for them to come back. And then you see a movie of them. Once you see two movies of them, one of them is that they're speaking and asking for help. And then a 10 second after you see them dead lying on a bed with a bullet hole in their head. So I cannot understand the world. I cannot understand how the world is still silent. I cannot understand how the world still support them. I cannot understand how the world is still judging Israel and asking us to stop. They, I told you, I've been interviewing in your channel for a couple of time. And I'm saying that time and times again, I will say it again. What happened to us in the 7th of October will happen to you very soon. If you're not wake up, those oldest terrorists, they are in Europe right now. They're in Britain, they're in France, they're in Berlin, in Germany. They are everywhere, in the US, then everywhere. Just waiting for somebody to give them the command to start acting. And when they're gonna do it, you will wake up in some Saturday morning and then all of the Saturday morning. That, yeah. And you will even knock on your door. And when you open that, what happened to us to the 7th of October will happen to you. It's really the time for you to wake up and understand what we're dealing with. We're not dealing with free fighters like people say. We're dealing with radical terror organizations that only want to rule the world and kill everybody. Everybody, they're not in the same opinion like them. They're killing gay people just because they're gays. They're killing babies, they're killing children, they're killing only cause survivors. Just because they're not in the same set of mind like them. So it's time for you to wake up. It is a level of brutality and depravity that Israel is still trying to process what happened on the 7th of October. And then as you say, over and above abducting a baby and a four year old and their mother and other families as well. Then sending a video to Yarden, the level of cruelty, what they did is unimaginable. What kind of reaction have you had from world leaders? This has had a global spotlight on it in terms of Joe Biden, Abdel Fattahal Sissi, Qatar's Emir. What are you hearing from world leaders? What is your sense of the urgency to make sure that not only the Bebas family, but all hostages get home and they get home safely? What is your sense? I will tell you something that is not popular. The world leader right now is kind of an hour sign. Most of them. But there is a huge, huge difference between tell us that you are with us, okay? And doing something with us. It's not just telling that you will support us. You need to really support us. You need to really act. And acting is meaning to do things that... Like, I don't know. The Hamas has money all over the road. Why all the countries doesn't close his money? They just take his money. Why this thing want to supply them fuels and food to the Hamas? You need to still do things, real things, not just talk. We're talking, we're not going to get anywhere. I don't think that the world really realize what happened here in the 7th of October. I've been in Shiri's apartment two weeks ago. What I saw in his apartment, I never saw in my life. I never saw in my life. There was a real war inside of her apartment. And she's just a woman with two little kids. And the walls are full with bullets, okay? And the refrigerator is full with bullets. And there is a lot of blood, they murdered their dogs. Okay? And there was a lot of blood on the floor. And the things that they did inside of the apartment is indescribable, indescribable. So, you know, if you saw Shiri's video when she was kidnapped, one of the things that I noticed, that Shiri, if you look on her face, she's screaming, but she's not making any voice. Right. She's screaming and not making any voice. So, think how scared she was. She tried to defend two little children, okay? She was so afraid that she cannot even scream. She cannot make any voice. It is truly unimaginable. We're looking at those images on our screen right now. Sheer terror, unimaginable. And we're looking at those images right now. We can see that image is something that is pulling at the heartstrings of every single person watching a terrified mother clutching onto her two beautiful young boys, those two beautiful redhead boys. That image will stay with people across this nation forever. We cannot imagine what you and your family are going through watching this. We know as well that the family also has Argentinian citizenship. What kind of response, if any, have you had art of Argentina so far? They're very supportive. They're totally with us. But again, as I told you before, there is a big difference between speaking and acting. There's a huge difference. There's people from Hamas. There's money from Hamas that's been all over the world. There's leaders from Hamas all over the world. You should start, catch them, and take them and lock them. You should take their money and cut their supplies. That's what you need to do. I'm telling you once again, you need to wake up before it's going to be too late for you. I don't want to see what happened here in the 7th of October. I don't want to see it happening in Britain or any other place in the world. I don't want to see it. You don't want to see it. Because the thing that they did, I just came in moderate. They raped our daughters. They raped the young girls. They killed our babies. They killed our grandmothers and grandfathers. And I just killed them. I saw part of the movies. I saw them. I saw what they did to the bodies. I don't think that if somebody will see it, he will be able to go to sleep again. They will not be the same, having looked at those images. There's no doubt about that. The orange balloons, symbolizing the hair of Ariel and of Queer. You must have seen them at all the protests at the demonstrations. They have become a symbol of trying to get these beautiful boys back home. Talk to us about your understanding of the support that you are feeling in Israel right now. You must know the whole nation is hoping and praying for you and your family. Yeah, everybody's praying for us. We are in the mind of everybody. When I'm saying that I'm the uncle here and the two little redheads, everybody's just hugging me and crying. And everybody's praying for their safety. And they come back as soon as possible. We did the orange balloons a couple of times. We sent them to the air with a lot of prayers. So maybe, I don't know, for some kind of a miracle, they will come back. Absolutely. We are not negotiating with humans. We negotiate with the devil. So, hurry up and negotiate with the devil. Yossi Schneider, as you know, the nation is hoping for news. The nation is praying for Shiri, for Yardin, for Ariel, and Khvera. We so appreciate you speaking to us. Thank you very much. As I say, the nation is waiting for good news. You are in our thoughts. Please wake up. Yossi Schneider, unbelievable. It's just un imaginable. Aitandan God, for any parent around the world. I don't care your religion, your persuasion, your views on anything going on in the world. No mother should have to go through what Shiri has gone through, holding and clutching terrified, holding onto her two beautiful children. It is just beyond evil. Absolutely. Y, you know, I'm sitting here and I'm thinking which words I will choose to express what I really feel and what I think we have to do or to help. These are human animals, butchers. We say it every day, every moment here when we are sitting and hearing the stories. To see the face of this mother holding her two babies, strongly to her arms, surrounding by heroes of butchers around her, taking her and from that time she has disappeared. And you ask, how can it be? And it can be. You are dealing with people that are connection that like Al-Qaeda, ISIS, Hamas, doesn't matter the names, it doesn't. If the world is not going to raise such a way of screaming towards such activities, I agreed it will come to other places, to other countries. Time will come because these people has in every place like their small butchers, ambassadors, and they are looking in order to move and to push their ideology of human animals. But above all, this is the world of a family, of two babies, of a mother and a father that their crime was that they brought two small children in order to build their own for the future. And when you think about a baby of nine months that is taking as an hostage, what kind of chances he has to survive with such people? I don't want to think what's going with them now and where they are and how they do. I think that at this case, Israel should to stand more strongly and demand for fuel, for humanitarian, yes, we will do it. But first of all, bring back these two babies. This is above all. This is your key for opening humanitarian. Unfortunately, the issue of the United States and the policy has been win at that part. It won the two babies. Certainly, those two children are a symbol for Israel, a heavy heart waiting for word that they should come home safely with their mother, with their father, we wait for news. Etan and Owen stay with us. There's much more to discuss because the IDF ground operation in Gaza is intensifying and it's coming at a massive cost to the Israeli death toll. In the fighting there is at 132, including Master Sergeant in the Reserves, Naftali Yonah Gordon, who was killed in fighting in Shazair in Gaza just over 10 days ago now for more. We now welcome his father-in-law, Arnold Roth, joining us from Jerusalem. Arnold, thank you so much for joining us. It's with such a heavy heart we welcome you because this is the second time you and your family have suffered at the hand of Hamas terrorists. First, when your daughter Malki was killed in a suicide bombing at the Sparrow Pizzeria in Jerusalem that was back in 2001. And now your son-in-law, Naftali Gordon, has been killed while fighting in Gaza. Earlier this month condolences to you and your family. How are you and how is your daughter Pessie doing? She's the principal victim, of course. She lost her sister when she was nine years old and her sister was 15. And those were black days and a very dark period in our lives. Pessie's now a mother of two little children, loving marriage, loving husband, married four years and suddenly it's almost beyond words. Husband who rushed away on the 7th of October on Simchatara, notwithstanding that they don't, that they are Shomri Mitzvot, people who observed Jewish law, he jumped into his car and was at his base before noon. And two months later, on the 7th of December, he was killed inside a tank in Shajaya in this infernal battlefield which is still burning today. And Pessie is confronting the same horror along with the family around her. It's incomprehensible. We are looking at pictures of Naftali and Pessie and their two little girls. Unimaginable what your family has gone through. Tell us a little bit more about Naftali. Tell us about him. Naftali was in our family's life for a little over four years. It was a clear love match between Pessie and Naftali. Wedding was a moment of utter joy. They are both very fine people. I love my daughter, I loved my son-in-law. He was one of the finest, gentlest people I ever knew. A physiotherapist, as I now know, very highly regarded in the Kupa where he worked and among his colleagues. They lived just a short distance down the street from us because we really wanted them as close as possible. And it's just incomprehensible that he's been taken from us. And let me add that it's not as if losing our daughter, Malky, is somehow consigned to the dustbin of history. We're still fighting to see her extradited from Jordan after all these years. She faces charges in the United States and we continue to get treated with utmost disdain by the United States government, even as it says, yes, yes, yes, this is a foremost priority for the United States, having to bear up in the face of that open hypocrisy, that politicization of justice causes us, my wife and I and the family around us to look at the war against Hamas in a whole different way. And just to say that in a slightly different way in one sentence, Hamas, which has brought this war into Israel by the atrocities of October the 7th, is still celebrating the freedom of the woman who blew up the Sabarro Pizzeria and it's all thanks to the Jordanian King and his willingness to breach his treaty with the United States. And Arnold, we know you have been waging this campaign for the extradition of Akhlam Tamimi since she was released in Israel in that prisoner swap with Hamas and then sent to her native Jordan. She chose the target, she guided the bomber there, was arrested weeks later and then sentenced to 16 life sentences since her release, she boasted that she was pleased with the high death toll. Tell us more about that fight for justice given, something we've been discussing here in studio, the US support right now for Israel and its fight against Hamas. How does the US support for the current fight against Hamas get impacted by your fight? As you say, it's been more than two decades. So I'm very cautious about ever expressing any firm views about what political decisions mean when they are made by very powerful organizations like the government of the United States. And it's not a political partisan issue from my point of view. There are probably people watching who are thinking to themselves, I guess he's a Democrat, so he's against the Republicans or the opposite. He's a Republican and he's against President Biden. No, we've been abandoned, insulted, offended and betrayed by both sides of the Congress, by the apathy of American Jewish leadership. The results speak for themselves. Here we are, so many years after losing Malki, so many years after Tomemi was finally charged, so many years after the world outlawed Hamas, and we still find that we're talking to the wall. I don't want to mix the two issues any more than I already have. Losing the father of two little toddler granddaughters is an awful experience, it's unspeakably awful. But to know that the crocodile tears of the politicians who say, we must fight or we must not fight, we must have a ceasefire or no, we have to press for victory, it's all nonsense, it's all political calculations and for somebody who is in love with his family as I am, it's heartbreaking to see how much bolsness and dishonesty you can be surrounded by when very important people decide to make their views known to you. Sorry to sound bitter, but of course I am deeply bitter. Well, certainly it is difficult to imagine the pain that you and your family are going through once again. I'm not sure if you are comfortable to do this, but if you could right now, give a message to leaders in Israel, in the US, in Jordan. Any leaders, what would that message be right now, given the current situation? The entry of a person into politics is not an opportunity to forget that you have some spine or some principles. There are principles. Israel confronted horror, an atrocity that has no parallel in modern history on the 7th of October and in fighting back, despite what the New York Times says and so many other politically spun commentators, this isn't about vengeance. It's about saving our families, saving our country. These people make it abundantly clear, the Hamas, the monsters of Hamas, that given the opportunity they'll do this again and they will. We must destroy their war-making capacity and if politicians don't get behind us, everybody's going to pay a price of the pusillinamity. Thank you so much for speaking to us. Once again condolences to you and your family. May Naftali's memory be a blessing. May Malki's memory be a blessing. Arnold Roth, speaking to us from Jerusalem, thank you so much for being with us once again on I-24 News. Owen Ultiman, the pain is so real and it's impacting children of all ages as we've heard throughout this broadcast. Yeah, so many families affected. I mean seeing the pictures, right, of Naftali with his wife there again in the image that they live just down the street, right, from his father-in-law. So many families affected. Again, Pina, I was explaining to a group last night. On the surface a lot in our country has returned to routine, right? Businesses are open, retail is open, restaurants are open, most places of entertainment are open, cafes are open. There's a kind of, at least in the center of the country, a kind of veneer of normalcy and a kind of superficial sense of routine. But underneath it's not normal, right? It's not normal. So many families affected with the father-in-reserve duty and it's something snatched away or going out on the 7th of October en Simchatarragan, a Jewish holiday, as he mentioned. And the families left on the home front, of course, hundreds of thousands of people evacuated from their homes, still living at hotels or hostels or guest houses or private homes around the country. And then the rest of us, again, still with a kind of dormant trauma from those first days that were carrying with us and an event that had a clear beginning and middle and may not have a clear end, but we're taking that beginning with us. And again, it comes back every night on our channel when we hear the stories with the hostages and hear about the fallen soldiers. There's a report that Hamas Lida Ismail Khania may be heading to Egypt for talks. Can I ceasefire, DL? That is a report coming through right now. What do you make of that? Your thoughts, Eitan Dungot. I think that, as I said, the beginning of our meeting tonight, that from yesterday, I think was a major step towards opportunity to reach agreement. I don't know to estimate now what will be the results. I know one thing. After what we saw here, after the people of this country give their answer by running on the 7th of October, joining the IDF, people are not coming back home, unfortunately, forever. Those hostages that are holding, we are forced to make all the efforts in order to release them and to bring them back home. And I think that the meaning of what's going on from yesterday, the message that has come from Warsaw by the head of the Mossad, all the others talking with Qatar or Egypt, we are centralizes in order to fulfill our duty, our really right and duty as a state or civilian to try to bring back those who are still alive because the clock is running very fast. And I think by this step is also one of the opportunities, I believe, and I'm much more optimistic that in the coming four to five days, there will be an answer whether we are in agreement or not in agreement. On the other side, Israel continues to make military activities because one thing is clear. We will do our duty to return those to this, but we will fulfill our duty towards the future to destroy Hamas. And when we talk about these deals, and again, these are just reports, but one gets the sense of urgency that a deal needs to be secured to make sure that the 129 hostages are returned home. One of the issues, the burning issues is that of humanitarian aid getting into the Gaza Strip, talking of which President Isaac Herzog telling a group of ambassadors from 80 countries earlier that international organizations need to do more to facilitate the delivery of assistance to Gaza. Let's take a listen in his own words. The amount of humanitarian aid can be tripled instantaneously. For the last two weeks, Israel has operated new scanning equipment en Itzana, enabling the entry of 350 trucks a day. For the last two weeks, there's a failure by the United Nations predominantly and other partners. In the inflow of trucks into Gaza, only about 125 hundred trucks a day. You could triple the amount of trucks easily if there's only a real serious effort by the United Nations and its partners. And the world has to know that we could have had tens of thousands of tons a day more going into Gaza. Sir Owen Ultiman, it's the Israeli president telling international groups to make a plan, get more involved and make it urgent. Yeah, it's an important argument. It's not the first time we hear it from Israeli officials that Israel has done all it can and the backlog and the problem is actually among the international organizations themselves. One would imagine they can test that. Obviamente, it's a debate and argument that will still be going on. But again, because of the US pressure that Eitan mentioned before, there is much more humanitarian aid coming in, certainly to the south of the strip. And obviously, again, there are hundreds of thousands if not millions of people in Gaza who may have horrific, odious political opinions but who are not themselves in Hamas, do not participate in hostilities and certainly deserve the basics, especially in the winter that they need in order to live and survive and to be healthy. Eitan. The words of the president are right, but I think they are coming too late. I think that from the beginning, the Israeli leadership should create a system, a structure that has to go everywhere and to demand it and to raise it. It was not done in the volume it is done today or like the meeting of the president Erzo. And I think one of our lessons, we spoke about what's going in the United States before, is not to wait. We have, we are not have to change our concept from being passive and then active, be active, be on your side, be a guard for what you are responsible for because we are losing points. And for a Jewish to lose points is to lose people. Eitan, Owen, stay with us. We're going to discuss that in more detail, but right now the war continues to be the drumbeat of news in Israel, but politics whispers in the background as a new poll reiterates. Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu is in serious political trouble and the public is interested in an alternative right-wing leader, but our senior correspondent Owen Ultiman tells us not to count out the veteran liquid leader just yet. Let's take a look. For Benjamin Netanyahu, the numbers are pre-apocalyptic. A new poll Monday from Israel's Channel 12 News, showing the Prime Minister's Likud Party polling at just 18 seats in the Knesset. Down from the 32 seats, the ruling party won in elections just last year, with half a million right-wing Israeli voters shopping for a new leader, despite Netanyahu's messages. I will not let Israel repeat the Arzlow mistake. I will not allow that after the great sacrifice of our citizens and fighters, we bring in to Gaza those who teach terrorism, support terrorism, finance terrorism. The full breakdown from the poll, the governing coalition sworn in last December down to 44 seats from 64, and the big winner for now, Benny Gantz and his National Unity Party. In the current lineup of parties, Gantz would likely be Israel's next prime minister and asked between Gantz personally and Netanyahu personally, the public wants Gantz, by a margin of 45% to 27%. I would like to send my support to the IDF soldiers and the big hug to all the bereaved families and those who are still waiting for their loved ones. All the citizens of Israel are with you and behind you. The starting point is horrific, but Netanyahu could mount a comeback, even against upstart rivals within the right. Netanyahu could connect to his base by blaming the October 7th failure on elites. He could paint rivals as not truly right wing or not able to stand up to foreign leaders like US President Joe Biden. All tried and true Netanyahu scripts. Episodes which could be back for another season in 2024. That report by our senior diplomatic correspondent, Owen Altman, he's here in studio. Benjamin Netanyahu, can he survive this? Yes or no? Probably not, but I think his chances are higher than most people are rating them. And again, for the reasons that we set out there, because again, so importantly, the arguments that Netanyahu will need to make conveniently are arguments that in a sense he's already made, right? It's the elites, it's the generals, it's the people in the army, it's the intelligence. Those elites who are chasing me, who are chasing us, who are chasing you, right? It's a kind of argument in this narrow sense that Netanyahu is similar to Trump, right? That Trump is used in the United States. And then again, the other arguments that we laid out, right, about being right wing, about being able to be a statesman and all of the rest. Of course, that said, as the opening line of the piece said, the numbers right now are pre-apocalyptic. Unbelievable numbers. 44 seats for the current coalition, there was a third of their voters, a third of their voters. And again, we have to remember that they had lost a lot of their voters on October 6th because of the judicial overhaul and other issues. So Netanyahu's starting point in October 7th was bad and obviously it's gotten a lot worse for a lot of obvious reasons. So when you start in that kind of a whole, you have 500,000, and this is a small country, 500,000 right wing Israelis, that's what 14 Likud seats are. They're looking and they're shopping for a new leader. His numbers are completely underwater against Gans, even against Neftali Bennett. So there is a space and the take on this poll has been, among political correspondents, that there is a big space for a new coalition of right wing leaders that's not Netanyahu, right? So these voters can find someone else. There's no obvious logic to that. On the other hand, Netanyahu have arguments that he can make. He's made them before, so they fit with his brand and he'll have another bite at the apple. Again, playing a game into the medium term with the selection campaign. So, again, a lot of political drama that awaits. Eitan Dengot. The answer for your question will be decided by the nation, by the people, those who are now in Gaza and those who are looking what happened. And none of our leaders will succeed not to stand before the nation. And for Benjamin Netanyahu, I'm waiting for one thing to say, I'm the prime minister, I'm responsible for the good and the bad things as well. And I will take the responsibility. Until now, this kind of thing, it's empty box. Is it likely that a personality like Benjamin Netanyahu would do exactly what Eitan is describing right now, given your understanding of the political sphere right now, your thoughts? Listen, he hasn't done it yet. And I think he hasn't done it yet because he sees risk in it and he thinks he has arguments to be able to deflect it. But going back to Eitan's point, look, a few places and people who know the country will know where I'm going as I list them off. Sterot, Kiryat Shimona, places like Ofaquem, Neti Vote. There are places that are hardcore placed parts of the Likud base that have been very directly affected. So there are going to be potentially 100,000 or more votes of Likud voters who live in these communities who've been directly affected. And in some cases not treated all that well by a government that hasn't functioned all that well on this issue at least is seen by the wider public who are going to be lost to Likud and these people are going to be out there and they're going to be loud and they're going to be making the case and that's going to be, I think, a big, big obstacle for Netanyahu. So whether he takes responsibility rhetorically or not, there are going to be a lot of his own voters at the hardcore of his base who have voted Likud for decades. For decades long before Netanyahu was on the political scene, it may be going back to two or three generations even and they, even if Netanyahu doesn't clear responsibility, they, at least for this element of the conduct of the governor in the war are going to be holding him accountable. Which brings me to the next question. Eitan Dangan got so much being made about the day after inside Gaza. Will the IDF retain overall security responsibility? Is that a good idea? What does it look like? The IDF should and must take the security responsibility for the coming years in Gaza, but not for the civil life. It has to be done based of what we faced in the Lebanon, South Lebanon in the past and also in the West Bank, something like integration. We have to move the threat from the window of the mothers of the children that are leaving and should return back to live near the fence, few kilometers deeper. And this is the responsibility of IDF. Major general in the reserves, Eitan Dangan got senior diplomatic correspondent Owen Altman. Thank you both so much for being here in studio. And as we are about to wrap up this edition of our Breaking News coverage. Rocket and the Sirens are sounding in the northern part of the country just moments ago. As we are speaking, Sirens are sounding in the northern part of the country. Obviously our team will keep bringing you updates on the developments as they happen. I'm Benita Levine Intela. Thank you for watching. Our rolling coverage continues shortly. Stay tuned. This is I24 News Breaking News Edition. Made For Me, a unique concept in Israel. Custom made men's fashion to your measurements. Made For Me, designer of all your events. Schedule your appointment at www.madeforme.co.il. Made For Me, official dresser of I24 News. Good evening, ladies and gentlemen. Israel is in a state of war. Our families completely done down in their beds. We have no idea where is she. As our soldiers are fighting on the front line, but the general perception is something that certainly needs to be fought as well. ¡Odrega, veítec, vea, daim! ¡Motam, al sefatai! ¡Adonai, menad, chelki, bechossi, atatomich, gorali! ¡Chavalim, mena, feluli, baneimim! ¡Afna, chala, shofera, ala! ¡Lotiten, chasid, chalir, otsha! Esta semana en News 24, Israel bajo ataque. News 24 en español trae el análisis y la información de los acontecimientos de la guerra, espadas de hierro. Entrevistas exclusivas, reportes desde la zona de guerra. La reacción de los países hispanoparlantes. News 24, el único medio en español que te mantiene informado y conectado con la comunidad latina en Israel. News 24, únicamente en I24 News. Mi nombre es Joavli Mohan. Esta es una edición especial de Securidad Strictamente que viene a su vida desde el Porte de Jaffa. El U.S. está en un bloque, pero otra resolución de la Segunda Seguridad de la Unidad llamando a un cifrón en Gaza. Esto viene a seguir un nuevo compromiso firmado por los Estados Unidos para mantener el esfuerzo de la guerra de Israel contra el Hamas. Esta vez fue el secretario de Defensa del U.S., Lloyd Austin, durante su visita a la visita en Israel. El día de ayer anunció la formación de una coalición internacional de 10 países, y en securidad de las rutas de asesinos en la estrés de Babel Mandeb, de Juti Misaels. Después de un accidente tragico, en el que tres hostes israelíos fueron muestrosos para el Hamas, y muestrosos por los soldados de la IDF, el vicepresidente general Herzli Alevi, estresó las reglas de las reglas de las agencias, diciendo que la gente que está manteniendo un puerto en la subterránea no debe ser arreglada. Todo eso está sucediendo como reportes de más reuniones con los Qataristas, y la posibilidad de que un nuevo conflicto de hostes pueda estar en los trabajos, pero los miembros de las hostes en Gaza no están esperando para las políticas, sino que están tomando demanda publica para la inmediata acción al siguiente nivel. Let's begin. First, as always, some updates, and tonight we'll start in the US, where the UN Security Council has put forward another resolution calling for a ceasefire in Gaza, our correspondent Mike Wagenheim is the United Nations headquarters in New York. Mike, what will the resolution contain and when is the vote? Getting pushback further and further and further and unclear at this point if there's going to be a vote at all today. It was supposed to be last night, then this morning, then the afternoon, now it's set for 5 p.m. Eastern time, midnight, Israel, and everything revolves essentially around forwards in this resolution, which was granted by the United Arab Emirates, and here are those forwards. Suspension, yes, cessation, no. What does that mean? Well, there are several things called for in this resolution. Among them, toms among them, it calls for the urgent suspension of hostilities to allow an unfettered flow of humanitarian aid into Gaza by letting the air see however they can do it. It also calls for the immediate release of hostages and medical aid to be provided to them as well and the importation of fuel into Gaza to meet all the humanitarian needs. But beyond that, it also calls later on for steps to take to make sure that there is an urgent cessation of hostilities. That means a stoppage, that means a ceasefire. And that is the part, the main part that the United States objects to. If everybody else, it seems, is on board with this resolution, the U.S. is holding it up at this point because they don't want to handcuff Israel. They don't want to get to a point where there is a mandated ceasefire before Israel can achieve its military objectives. So that language is still being worked on, Robert Wood, the deputy U.S. ambassador, just spoke to reporters just before we got on air. He said they're still working through the language, but refused to respond to a question about whether or not they would be a vote tonight. There's one other holdup from Washington's side, the de-conflict mechanism that's involved in this resolution, which means that they want to make sure that the aid workers that go into Gaza are kept safe, that they're not accidentally struck by Israeli forces. The language on that is still being worked on again because Washington doesn't want to hold up Israel and the IDF. If they feel like they have a terrorist target in sight, they want to be able to take advantage of the opportunity, but the de-confliction mechanism is critical right now. The U.N. says too many of their workers, their staff have already died, they don't want to see any more harm come their way. Still, very much up in the air, whether we'll have a vote tonight or at all on this resolution. Mike, one more question. You know, the feeling within the U.N. within the last few weeks was very hostile against Israel, very fond of the Palestinians. And it was, you know, mainly disturbing when it came, you know, to everything that we've heard from here, the rape cases, et cetera, et cetera. And, you know, nearly we didn't get any feeling for Israel, despite those horrific acts that we suffered with Israel and the Israelis. Is there any change in that? Not so much so. The United States made this point today at the Security Council meeting. The representative said again and again and again that this council, this body, has to condemn Hamas for the October 7th attacks. The General Assembly has refused to do it. The Security Council, as a whole, has refused to do it. Individual members have, but still, we're still not at a point on October 7th that they can condemn Hamas for their actions, let alone to try to balance out some sort of resolution now. And the real sticking point, one of them at this point on this resolution is, look, if you're going to handcuff Israel, which must abide by this resolution, well, Hamas, on the other hand, they don't have to. They're not a state actor. They can, Israel might have to stop firing and might have to stop their military action. That doesn't mean Hamas, as an exchange, has to give up the hostages. It doesn't work that way in real life, even if it works that way on a resolution. So no, Israel is getting no sympathy right now as a whole from this body and really hasn't for many, many years. It's not going to start then. Yes. Elon is always, luckily for us, having the Americans on our side. Mike, thank you so much for that. Let's move back to our region. Nicol Cedeck, who is in our southern front, southern Israel, Nicole, your updates for this evening. Yes, well, I can tell you, we continue to hear some of this pounding in the Gaza Strip. But earlier today, one of the major updates we heard from the IDF themselves is that they finally have a strong hold over DiMalia in the northern part of the Gaza Strip. And with that, they said that they have completely dismantled the operational capabilities of Hamas's northern Gaza City Brigade. And this is a big deal. This is where we've seen a lot of the heavy fighting. The IDF saying that they've killed a thousand terrorists in DiMalia and arrested more than 500 suspected terrorists. Now, of those 500 suspected terrorists, at least 70 of them are said to have been participated in the October 7th attack. We're talking about 1500 terrorists that infiltrated here into southern Israel, butchering families, raping them. And 70 of those that are now arrested that committed these attacks are now arrested by the IDF. So this is a major announcement coming out of the IDF and also just shows that they're working to really get a strong hold on the northern part of the Gaza Strip. And for the most part, especially with today's announcement, they do. We continue to see a lot of earlier in the day some Israeli activity, military activity, bombing, explosions happening. But now their attention is really turning towards the south, specifically Kanyunas. We heard from Defense Minister Yoav Galan earlier today saying that Kanyunas is the new terror capital. And they're actually the IDF chief of staff or the IDF spokesperson Daniel Higari, excuse me, said in his statement earlier today that they are adding more troops to Kanyunas to continue to really try and tackle the terror hotspot that it is now. And that is mainly so far been the IDF's operational plan to go neighborhood to neighborhood, city to city, tackling these hotspots. And we've seen them do it in the north. And now they're really turning their attention to the center and the south, it seems. Yes, and let's speak a bit about the civilian front. We'll hear more and more about the possible return of some of the civilians to their homes within the next few weeks. What do you hear about that? How many of them will accept the call to return? And what about the Kibutsi in the sediments that surround Gaza, which were hit the most and the worst in the attack of October 7? Well, when you're talking to these these residents that have been evacuated, of course they want to return home with 74 days. More than two months, they've been living in hotels completely uprooted from their communities. And you bring up a good point. Many of their communities are just not there. Their houses completely destroyed. So when we talk about going back, there's there's really two two ways to look at this because at the one hand, obviously these citizens need to feel safe when returning and the IDF continues to reiterate that they will be safe and they will not let their citizens or the residents return to these southern communities if there is still this security threat and the threat of a moss, but also they have to have homes to return to. So that's going to be another step. Even once they are able to return physically for safety reasons, it's going to be a lot longer before many of these residents can actually live in their communities because they're going to have to completely rebuild many of them for the most part. So what we're looking at right now, the IDF is continuing to monitor the situation, but most of the residents, they say they want to get back. They say they want to continue to be in their southern communities whenever they have the chance to and whenever that chance may be, especially as they are getting more of a stronghold, especially on these northern areas. It could be sooner rather than later, but still the IDF doesn't want to take any unnecessary precautions and move people that have been evacuated back before they're ready to. Nicole, thank you so much. Keep safe. Thanks for this report. Let's go now live to Tel Aviv and our correspondent, Emily Francis, families are taking their protests to a new level regarding the hostages. One hundred and twenty nine that are still kept in Gaza. What does that mean? Well, hi, Yoav, listen, there you people have been here in droves all evening and every hour they were stopping exactly at twenty nine minutes past the hour when the invasion started on October 7th and reading the names of all the hostages one per second for a total of two hundred and forty one seconds. That's basically what they were doing tonight with a huge, huge amount of support. This was also going on at the same time that some of the families were meeting directly and personally with the prime minister. We don't know the exact details of those meetings, but a short while ago, one of the mothers, Ella Dar, the mother of Tamira Dar, the 38 year old son, who was one of the hostages, did come out and give a short statement to the media in Hebrew. So in my limited Hebrew, I was able to understand the gist of it. But basically she was saying that they were able to have a more intimate meeting with the prime minister. It was a handful of families rather than the be concerted effort of the families that we've seen before meeting with the entire war cabinet. She said that they were somewhat encouraged by the fact that it was more intimate, that they that he was willing to listen to their feelings and their wishes and that they will continue to have some more intimate, smaller scale one-on-one meetings with individual family members. So she did seem somewhat encouraged that there's a little bit of wiggle room in the efforts to try to come up with a deal to bring the hostages home. But she also did go on to say that she wasn't going to give any details because she didn't want to compromise the ability of these other future intimate meetings so all the families will have a chance to be heard and also for them to consult within themselves as far as what their wishes are. But also earlier, one of the family spokespeople had heard also some details from those meetings and there's also of course concerns which is why they want people to come here and support more than ever every night. There are concerns that extreme white right wing protesters will start to gather on the other side of the street in front of the Asriely Center calling to not have hostage deals and to let out murderers and other Palestinian terror prisoners which could lead to more bloodshed and in essence putting stifling the hostage family. So there is a concern of a counter protest that could could grow. So the more support and the more encouragement and the more camaraderie, the better for the families. That's what's keeping them going. You can't really see too well behind me but there is literally about two dozen tents set up where many of the family members are sleeping here and it's cold. It's getting very, very cold at night but they're not going anywhere and they're here together. And even when I spoke to them, some of the families this evening they're obviously very tired and I'm saying listen, you guys are our heroes. You are our heroes, how you're holding it together and staying positive. And they say, you know what? We don't feel like heroes. This is what anybody would do if it's their family and their children. And what's keeping them going is the support of the Israeli people and all the people also watching the Jewish people around the world, the diaspora. This is a very, very important, very delicate situation and we could only continue to pray that there will be some relief. Emily Francis, thank you so much for this report coming to us live from Tel Aviv. We move on. The United Nations announced the formation of a Ten Nation Coalition to respond to repeated Houthi attacks against international shipping, strikes by the Iran-backed group in the natural choke point of the Babel Mandib Strait are threatening to impact world energy prices. With more, here's our correspondent, Robert Swift. As much as 70% of the petrol stations across Iran were disrupted Monday with Iranian authorities citing a possible cyber attack as the cause. Some people say it was hacked. Some people say, well, we wonder if maybe there is a shortage. But these are all questions that need to be answered by a high-ranking authority. Iranian state media singled out hacking group Predatory Sparrow as responsible. It has been linked by Israeli media in the past to Unit 8200, Israel's Signals Intelligence Agency. This cyber attack comes in response to the aggression of the Islamic Republic and its proxies in the region, the hackers said in a statement in Persian and English on Telegram. The United States and nine other nations are forming an international model de la coalición naval internacional. Their task? To counterescalating hootie attacks in the Red Sea, a threat which is disrupting a transit route that accounts for 12% of global trade. We've launched Operation Prosperity Guardian under the umbrella of Combined Maritime Forces and under the leadership of Task Force 153. All countries have the right to move freely and locally in international wars. Canada, the UK, France, Italy, the Netherlands, Norway, Seychelles, Spain and Bahrain will participate, either by contributing ships or through intelligence assistance. Actions the multinational force may take range from intercepting hootie drone and missile launches to striking the group's assets in Yemen, a move the US has so far appeared reluctant to make. Adicional countries are involved in the formation but have declined to announce so publicly. States such as Egypt, Jordan, the UAE and Saudi Arabia are reportedly concerned with the blowback that could come from confronting the hooties directly. Of course we are concerned about the potential for escalation. Our region is very complex and we do not need any other conflicts to erupt and therefore we hope that we will be able to avoid any further escalations in our region. The hooties say they will continue attacking ships destined for Israeli ports as long as operations in Gaza continue. How the Yemeni group and its Iranian backers will respond to the naval coalition is unclear and may depend on how aggressively it confronts the hooties. Y now I'd like to welcome our guest for this segment, Dr. Shaulionai, a lecturer on Middle East history with me here in our studio in Jaffa and Michael Knight from the Washington Institute for Near East Policy. Thank you gentlemen, both for joining me this evening. Mr. United, I'll start with you. What exactly do the Americans, does the administration wants to achieve by formatting this new mechanism, ten countries mechanism aiming to do what exactly? Well, it's aiming to share the burden between a larger number of countries and the United States for Red Sea and Babylonian security. And it's also there to try and draw support, political support to the US as it tries to deter the hooties from attacking international shipping. Y, you know, we've seen quite a few countries joining that force, but we haven't seen some that we expected to join that force, at least openly, mainly Saudi Arabia and Egypt, the main two countries that, you know, that are on that route of sailing. Well, the Saudis are very close to finalizing a Yemen peace process deal with the hooties and that's very important to them and their development of Red Sea economic cities, like meon. So they want to get that out of the way before they do anything that might anger the hooties or disrupt those peace processes. Yes, Shaulia and I here with me in the studios. Let's go backwards. Let's speak about the hooties. What do they want? Well, what they want actually is to divert the attention, internal attention. From problems inside Yemen to external treatise as war in the Red Sea or with Israel or with the new coalition that are forming against them. Why? Because Yemen is a failed state. It doesn't exist actually. Basic services are not functioning at all and the population is starving, living in ruins, even more ruins than Gaza today. And after the Saudis stop funding them, the last Saudi funding gave them a lot of money for a government operation. That was in the agreement for the ceasefire. It stopped now. So the hooties, the hooties government is more willing to go war against them as the United States might in its coalition than to risk another tribal war inside its coalition because the hooties are also a coalition of many tribes. Some of them are, for history, are against each other and without the money to pay them or without promising them to rebuild Yemen and the hooties cannot do it. They are like the Hamas, they know how to go to wars but not how to build the state. And the last year they failed to do it. That's why they are risking or doing what they are doing now. And of course, for more reason, one of them, they are a proxies of Iran. Iran helped them during the war against Saudi Arabia with money funds, a training weapon, missiles, et cetera. And Iran is getting the payback now by using the hooties against Israel and against the United States in Saudi Arabia. The hooties in Yemen are not afraid to pay a price because the US is not very likely to use its force. But once it does, it's a superpower. Well, yes, it's a superpower but hooties and Yemen tribes faced a lot of superpowers before and they didn't succeed because the superpower, even Rome, back then, 2000 years ago, reached Yemen and left Yemen because the tribes were too difficult to handle. Saudi Arabia failed, even Britain failed to control the tribes and control just adding, no more than that. They used to be at war, they used to live on almost nothing. So they are not afraid from like it says. In a sense, they are welcoming the war. It's horrible things to say that because the thing that the United States will not go to full war against them and try to solve the problem in diplomacy and the hooties will have some demands like share of the oil revenue in the part they are not controlling but led by, controlled by Saudi Arabia and United States with the formal government. So if they will even risk a limited war, they can gain much more by diplomacy and negotiation later on. Yes, so Michael Nights in Washington, I get back to you. We've heard Dr. Oya Nights saying, speaking about the hooties, looking from Washington, obviously the U.S. doesn't want a regional war, not mentioning a world war, but practically this is a world problem because once the hooties are blocking the straits of Babelmandab, the prices of oil rise, the prices of shipment rise, that's not an Israeli problem, that's a global problem and the globe is led by the U.S. We all remember how difficult it was when the ever given a cargo ship turned sideways in the Suez Canal a couple of years ago, caused enormous damage to the global economy. So the U.S. feels responsible for keeping these shipping lanes open. What it's done by building this coalition is to do some burden sharing. The U.S. is doing a lot of things at the same time, it wanted some other partners to come in and help it to escort these tankers. When the U.S. is close escorting these kind of tankers and cargo ships, it stands a much better chance of intercepting any drones or cruise missiles that are fired at these vessels and it can completely deactivate the risk that one of these vessels will be seized by either Houthi pirates or Somalis who may be working in collaboration with Houthis. So it's the difficult thing to do, to do an escort operation. For the U.S. right now it's easier than striking the Houthis to try and deter them. Two more questions, Michael. Quite consp-conspirous ones. One, another client which is very much disturbed by this situation is China, because China is one of the biggest merchants in the world and they pay a heavy price for that. So it might be a potential for the U.S. to collaborate with China. That's A, and B, Iran, which plays with the U.S. for a long time now. It's not time for the U.S. not to play with the hands of the octopus but with its body itself, with Iran itself. Well, look, the Chinese have ships in the Red Sea and so do the Iranians, both supposedly to stop pirates, but they didn't stop anyone from grabbing the galaxy leader. So it shows that they're not there for destructive purposes and it shows that the Chinese cannot provide a security guarantee to anybody. You know, ultimately, the last time that the Houthis and Iran needed a gesture from Israel, you know, many people say that the Israelis undertook a covert attack on the Sufi's spy ship that is in the Red Sea, that the Iranians keep there. There's another spy ship right there now, Behzad, which provides details on the movement of tankers north and south and also monitors the U.S. and Western naval escorts. So, you know, who knows what might happen to that spy vessel in the future or indeed the Iranian frigates. And that's for Iran. That area, you know, there's a lot of vulnerability for both Iran and the Houthis if Israel or other actors decide to strike. And the Iranians in particular are quite sensitive to receiving sharp cuts where it hurts in places like the Red Sea. Yes, in the last words from you, Shaul, Iran should be concerned that Israel or the U.S. or both might attack it? No, no, because in the last decades, there wasn't any direct attack against Iran or open war. And actually, Iran strategy from the beginning of the revolution was to take United States out of the region from the Persian Gulf and from the Red Sea and maybe from the entire Middle East because it sees itself as the real superpower of the region and what it says is an obstacle for it. Yes, it has to be continued. It's a daily battle here and around the region. Michael Nayanaitz in Washington, from the Washington Institute for Near East Policy. Thank you so much and Shaul Nayanait here with me. Thanks for joining me. A quick break for commercial zen when we return will take you to the underground and show how years of hard labor and millions of dollars in international aid money were put to use by Hamas. Don't go anywhere. Israel is in a state of war. Families completely done down in their beds. We have no idea where is she as our soldiers are fighting on the front line, but the general perception is something that certainly needs to be fought as well. Esta semana en News 24, Israel bajo ataque. News 24 en español trae el análisis y la información de los acontecimientos de la guerra espadas de hierro. Entrevistas exclusivas reportes desde la zona de guerra, la reacción de los países hispanoparlantes. News 24, el único medio en español que te mantiene informado y conectado con la comunidad latina en Israel. News 24, únicamente en I-24 News. Thank you for being with us. We turn on now to the field and to our northern front, our correspondent, Zach Anders. Is there a Zach, the updates? Well, as we were waiting to go live, a alarm came on over the phones, not over the air. We weren't hearing an alarm in the communities. There's not really much time to react. We got out of the vehicle and as the interceptors were firing overhead, counted five interception missiles that seemed, in my experience, to be targeting just one thing. Often it's dark, so I'll have to add that caveat that we weren't able to see what was being fired overhead. This is coming from southern Lebanon. But in my experience, when it is these rocket attacks, they seem to be all over the place, the interceptor missiles, but this was five interceptor missiles all going to the same place and trying to appear the same thing. We've seen so many drone launches over the last 72 hours that I'm curious to see what this is going to end up being. We still have not had confirmation yet what kind of launch this was from southern Lebanon in the last 30 minutes, but it did appear to be something that could have been a drone. Yes, Zach, a little bit about the civil front. Civilians who were evacuated, those who stayed, what do you hear from them? Well, really in positions like we are, it's nothing but IDF and journalists. These are mostly evacuated communities, although when you get a little bit further into the valley here in the upper galley, that's where more and more people start to appear because they can't leave their livelihoods, their homes. It's these northernmost border communities that have been evacuated, the Red Alert coming in tonight in the last 30 minutes was for a community right on the border. They have been well evacuated. This is also this latest rocket brush or a launch, rather, I should correct myself. Whatever this was in the last 30 minutes is in the same exact area where an IDF soldier was killed several days ago and two others wounded in this same area, the same community that had the Red Alert, which I've been told has been evacuated. Yes, Zach, thanks so much for this report. Now we turn back to you, Mike Wagenheim in New York, and there is a decision regarding the vote in the US Security Council. Decision not to make a decision in the Security Council about pushback once again. It was scheduled for last night, then this morning, then this afternoon, then late this afternoon. Done for today here at the Security Council. They're gonna try again tomorrow. There's a Security Council meeting already scheduled on Afghanistan at 10 a.m. Eastern Time, 5 p.m. Israel Time. And then the idea is that after that meeting is over, they're gonna try to have a vote on the UN Security Council resolution pertaining to the Israel Hamas War. But the US objections still stand. They still want that language taken out about eventual steps toward a cessation, a stoppage of hostilities. They don't want to handcuff Israel and force them into a ceasefire. There's also language in there about the deconfliction mechanism that's also not to Washington's liking right now. They're still trying to craft that language, polish it up and get it to a point where Washington can agree not to veto it. I think the really interesting thing coming up in Washington continues to disagree and continues to threaten to use its veto. It'll be really interesting if the United Arab Emirates which drafted this resolution is going to put it up anyway just to try to back Washington into a corner. Remember, it's pretty much the world against the US and Israel right now here at the United Nations and the UAE might want to send a message here to Washington that they're isolated on this issue, especially at the Security Council. But it's now on to tomorrow morning here in New York to see if this thing moves forward. Yes, anything you hear from the Israeli delegation over there? Ambassador Giladour Dunn? No, he didn't arrive here today. The plan was for him when there was going to be an opportunity for him to speak, he would speak. But because there's no vote because there was never really a guarantee that this thing was going to happen at all or even was close to happening, he didn't make his way over here today. So there's been no comment out of the mission. I just requested when I heard about the postponement to tomorrow to try to get a comment. But that was just a few minutes ago. This is breaking news and there's been no early response yet from the mission. It's likely though they're going to play hands off here and let Washington do the talking for them. Mike, thank you so much for this report. See you next, see you back tomorrow. Yeah, you know, game over, game resumes tomorrow. We move on as Israel emerges from the tragic killing of three hostages by friendly fire last Friday. The government is making efforts to show the public that talks on a new hostage deal are moving forward with Mossad chief Dadi Barnea, reportedly back from a meeting in Warsaw, Poland with Qatar's prime minister and the CIA chief yesterday's, you know, diplomatic correspondent Owen Alterman sketches out the terms for the talks and how this time, there are different from talks on that first deal in November. The funerals remind Israelis of the stakes. Here, the funeral of hostage Alon Chamri killed in the tragic friendly fire incident. His hands raised, his white flag not enough to earn his rescue. A reminder to many in Israel of the price of waiting on another hostage deal. You already saw the light, but it became darkness. Those who abandoned you also murdered you after you did everything right. And so the Israeli government reportedly ramps up talks on a new hostage deal with meetings afoot and progress made. Now with two key differences from that first hostage deal in November. First, that November deal focused on women and especially children who were in the twisted logic of Hamas assets, but also liabilities with the terror group taking a beating internationally for holding three year olds hostage. So Hamas had more incentive to free the kids for a lower price. And then the second difference, the balance of power on the battlefield. Only continued military pressure will lead to the release of all of our hostages. My directive to the negotiating team is based on this pressure without which we would have nothing. That first deal in November came when military pressure in Gaza was at a high with a sense of big incremental gains each day. And so big incremental losses each day for Hamas. The sense now is of a war that is making slower progress. Less incremental pressure on Hamas means less sway for Israel in talks, all of which adds up to tougher decisions for the Israeli government and public. Not only to want fervently to bring them home, but also to understand the price in all its dimensions. A giant tunnel leading from deep inside Gaza right to the Israeli border was unveiled by the IDF during the war in Gaza. Un otro ejemplo de lo que Hamas fue haciendo con la asistencia para la residencia de la Gaza, pero solo fue usada para el terrorismo. El correspondiente de la defensa del IDF, Jonathan Regev, fue en el tunnel dentro de la Strip de la Gaza. Es casi 3 miles longas, más de 2 metros altos y larga por caras para ir aquí. Si alguien preguntó lo que Hamas ha hecho con los fundadores que se producen cada mes, se responde. Cada infraestructura necesaria, cement, electricidad, agua, y también varios lugares de hiding para las armas, lo que significa que estaba listo para usar y el sábado que está muy cerca de la borda de Israel, aproximadamente 400 metros de la costa de Humayre desde la base de las áreas, menos de 2 minutos y los terroristas están en el territorio de Israel. Es el más grande tunnel que ha pasado por la zona. Los terroristas podrían venir a este punto prácticamente indetectado. El tunnel se lleva por miles y miles dentro de la Gaza, como en Betchanun, Betlaya, 2 o 3 miles en el territorio. Los terroristas vienen todo el camino aquí, y luego el sábado que está en el otro lado, cuando vienen a la tierra, hay casi 400 metros o un cuarto de un millón de camino desde la base de las áreas. Just before the tunnel is demolished, the IDF showed us what the money envelopes from Qatar are really used for. Hamas, as a terror organization, showed his face using his money only for terror. All of his investment only for terror, not for the civilians of Gaza. He doesn't care about the civilians of Gaza. They are only being used for one thing, for being a human shield. The tragedy that Hamas is putting its own people in does not end there. The areas crossing was the place through which 17,000 workers from Gaza crossed in every day to work in Israel and earn wages far higher than they could in Gaza. The adjacent areas base was built only to allow for humanitarian cases from Gaza to be treated in Israel, but these were exactly the targets Hamas was looking for. We saw what happens in the tunnel inside now y what happens outside. Right behind me is the shaft. From here the terrorists come to the ground and just to my left, about 400 meters, a quarter of a mile. You see the concrete wall. That is the Israeli border. That is the Israeli base of areas. You can see it right over there. Nothing more than a two-minute run and the terrorists are already there. That is all it took them to get from this position and into Israel. And in a war so full of terrible symbols here is another one. Three soldiers were kidnapped from the area's base. On the day the tunnel was unveiled two of those soldiers were pronounced dead. Two of my soldiers that were kidnapped alive from this base on the 7th of October was murdered by Hamas militants while were in captive inside the Gaza Strip. So for me personally and for my unit it's a very complicated day. Every corner of the area's crossing and the area's base serve as a reminder of what happened here on that terrible morning just a few hundred meters away the mission ahead is clear. Without demolishing the tunnel project of Hamas we cannot demolish Hamas. This may be the largest tunnel in Gaza or at least the largest one uncovered so far but many many other small ones exist all across the Gaza border. This is where the hostages were taken deep into Gaza and from there disappearing all across the Strip. Israel among other missions now needs to destroy all of these tunnels to make sure that such a thing never ever happens again. Jonathan Regev, I-24 News. And now I'd like to bring in Israel's former National Security Advisor, a tired IDF Major General Yakov Amidro. Thank you so much for being with us this evening. Good evening. General Amidro, we've seen the reports regarding the tunnels. The tunnels were known to Israel for years. Everything was known to Israel and we are surprised by, you know, how vast this project is. Should we be surprised? Very much depends on the intelligence that we had before the war. The more intelligence that you have before the war, the less surprises you find during the war. And this is one area that should be investigated after the war. I'm not sure that it will be for the experts in the intelligence a real surprise. I think it's more surprise for the ordinary people which do not have any familiarity with the intelligence. No question that the sophistication of the tunnels system is a surprise. But I'm not sure that this part of the project was unknown before the war. Let's look at a bigger picture starting with your permission with the hostages. What are the chances to reach a new deal? You won't obviously go into details and into prices, but in principle, we hear the families understand that we're losing lives, we're losing people. We saw the tragic accident last Friday. So is there any chance to reach a new deal with Hamas? From the trilogy of the last weekend we can learn that the military pressure can bring the hostages. The fact that at the end it was a tragedy was not a reason to change our assessment by putting pressure on Hamas we might get to the places of the hostages and to release them. At the same time, if there is any way to negotiate and to pay prices relating to the powers in the war itself and so on and so forth and releasing other terrorists in the West Bank, I think that Israel should go to negotiate and to try to find if there is a logic in the price and to pay. If the price is not logic, we will not pay, yes, because I'll push a little bit on that because if we look at numbers so Israel got only one hostage back alive by a military operation and a few bodies remains of five, if my memory does not mistaken me of other hostages and 115 by negotiating. So obviously negotiating brings more. If there is a way to negotiate we should not miss it and we should negotiate. Not in every negotiation we can succeed to achieve an agreement but to negotiate no question we should. Let's speak about the operation on the ground your assessment on what we're seeing because obviously we the Israeli public wake up every morning with the names of soldiers that pay the heavy price of falling during the war. Obviamente, we see less achievements. How should we look at the situation on the ground? I don't agree with the description of the situation. I think that if any Israeli expert would have been asked about the number of casualties after this stage of the war in which we are almost controlling the military lead the nose part of the government deeper and deeper into the stronghold. I'm quite sure that the numbers of casualties that he will offer would have been much higher than the number that we have today. So I'm not sure that the number of casualties is an issue for disappointing. The question is what is the stage that we are in? Finishing to to gain the control in the northern part of the Gaza Strait. It will take a few days and it will be finished. And we are going to new areas in the south. We just moved other forces from the north to the south. And when we are now dealing with the Hanuneis center of gravity of the south and it will take time. My assessment that the IDF needs another month or two, probably two, to be in a position to say okay, I'm controlling all the strongholds of the strong points and the centers of command of the Hamas. Now I'm moving to another stage in which we are cleaning slowly slowly based on intelligence that we are gathering from the interrogation of the Hamas people in our hands and all the documents that had been confiscated in the headquarters will give us a better understanding of the details of the system that we have to destroy and based on that we will have to begin a continuous operation of cleaning guys. It will take a year probably but slowly we will have to be in a position to go to all the holes the strong, the manufacturing centers the headquarters the command and control system the tunnels, the details of the tunnels and to know what is important to destroy and so on. But I believe that this intensive stage we need for the intensive stage we need another month or two to be in a position that we are controlling not just the north part of the Gaza Strip but also the south part of the Gaza Strip and many operation had been done in the center in spite of the fact that will not be the focus in the next two months. General Amido we hear a lot of criticism here in Israel for supplying aid to the Palestinians oil food, water etc. The cabinet decided to do that in order to get more legitimacy for the world to keep on fighting if you were at your previous position and you would have heard the criticism in Israel, what would you answer to that? I think that it is very wise and necessary to give the civilians in Gaza the aid which is needed for them to be in a position that they will survive the winter which is coming including food water supply and oil that is not making the difference in the war between us and Hamas It will help the population which is confiscating part of the of the help which is going into the Gaza Strip we see it, we understand it we know that that will happen Hamas is not taking care of the population is taking care of Hamas but that will not save Hamas at the end yes it is easier to fight when you are when you have the food and the water but I don't think that that will make the difference between us and Hamas Last question General Amidro are in northern front we see a war below the level of war but Israel wants to reshape that area, can it be done without a full scale war? I think that there are two options one is diplomacy and the French and Americans are doing what they think should be done to convince the Lebanese and through the Lebanese Hezbollah to move to a little bit to the north 10 km 12 km we have to give the chance to both the diplomacy of the French and the Americans and to the Lebanese government if you ask me what are the chances that that will happen it's very very very low but we should give it the chance to happen and if not we have two main possibilities one is to continue the war in the north as we did in the south and to push Hezbollah these 10 km but that will be a long and devastating war we have to take it into consideration it is not going to be easy 10 times more complicated and more dangerous than the war in the south mainly for on-front of Hezbollah or we can postpone it to a better day these are the two chances that we have if and when it will be clear that the diplomatic efforts do not Yes General Yakov Amdor, thank you so much for being with us this evening and now I'd like to welcome Mr. Ayudak Fil, civil engineer and researcher in the field of underground warfare, thank you so much for being with us this evening, so we see this huge industry of tunnels in Gaza, A, how it was done B, how complicated is it for them and C, how can you destroy it because we need to destroy it Yes you are right of course it was done long time ago you know that now think that it would be done by a dig for 15 years o I think that maybe more it's it's not a new strategy but it's a very effective strategy you can see how it's how hard it is to the idea to take the the tunnels down and to demolish the tunnels and to take the hostages and of course the leaders of Hamas but I have to mention after a mid-war spoke about the possibilities that the leaders of Hamas will escape to tunnels under the border to Sinai to Egypt and I don't see anything that the idea due to stop it stop them from doing it so maybe it would be it would be easier to to go to dig let's say in the Philadelphia road so I don't think it will not happen but I asked you about the last question regarding how do you destroy them because Israel has to destroy all those tunnels can you fill them with water do you have to bomb them how do you do that the idea has a lot of methods to one of them is flow them with water I think that it is the most effective way till now that the military is using in the Gaza Strait but also we see now that a special unit go into the tunnels to fight into the tunnels I think that now that we are learning to deal with these tunnels to fight in the tunnels is a very effective method and I think that we will see more and more and of course it's very unfortunately that the Israeli army didn't started with more units that can fight in the tunnels like the American used to do in for example in the first war when soldiers used to fight in the tunnels last question a quick one should we be afraid of the same tunnels in Lebanon or it's a different terrain harder work first of all we don't have to fear from anything because the subterranean warfare is like the air warfare or under the sea warfare so we have to use this area to fight and we have to develop our methods to to fight in this area so of course I think that the most important thing for Israel in Lebanon is to try to to deal with our tunnels to the tunnels because the people have and to fight them in this subterranean war thank you so much for being with us for waiting for us thank you for this interview we'll be right back we're watching strictly security thank you for staying with us we begin this hour with Emily Francis here in Tel Aviv Emily thanks for being with us so the latest regarding the hostages is there any optimism within them that something will change and we'll see a breakthrough within the next few days you know Yoav there actually is it's hard to believe it's hard to hear coming out of my mouth but yeah one of the mothers of the hostages came out and spoke she was the one that one of the few families that were in the meeting with the prime minister this is Yael Adar the mother of Tamir Adar her 38 year old son one of the hostages and we saw all night people here in droves with optimism reading off the names every hour and she came out and said that they had an intimate meeting and that it was positive that the prime minister did actually listen to their feelings listen to what they had to say she didn't want to go into details about the subject matter of that meeting for obvious reasons it's very sensitive and because she wanted to make sure that the other families had a chance to meet with the prime minister before the hostage and families forum would sit down and come up together with how they wanted to proceed vis-a-vis you know the rest of the ministers that they've been meeting with so yes there's a reason to be positive what that means specifically we don't know we know that anything when it's as tenuous as this it's not an easy solution that yes we're going to go in and negotiate you have people from both sides on the street here against efforts to release the hostages so it's still a very very delicate balance but as far as a little bit of a smile when there's not a lot of reason a smile is a little bit of an indication that there is some kind of movements yes and what do they plan for the next few days because they were talking about you know rising the level of protest by them yes for sure they want anybody who's watching more people to come here in support of the families this is what's keeping them going so every night they're going to be doing something different tonight like I said they began closing off the entrance into the military headquarters here at 29 minutes past the hour which is when the invasion began on october 7 reading all the names for 241 seconds which is the original number of hostages that were taken so they just want a report because there is a concern that again some far right wing protesters will also come in the hundreds and try to negate that which would obviously make matters much more tense so the more support the better for the families and of course the families are very appreciative of everybody who is coming here and offering a hug and giving them a reason to keep fighting and keep being positive and hopeful Emily Francis in Tel Aviv thank you so much for this report we move on it was wounded three times in the past even spent several weeks in a coma but for lieutenant colonel Shachar Spada deputy commander of the 36th division or gash as it's called in Hebrew there was nothing to hold him back from joining the fight on october 7 now moments after leaving the fighting in Gaza he takes on the important job of shaping the next generation of IDF commanders our french correspondent Matiasin Bar met him on the southern border let's watch lieutenant colonel Shachar Spada who just recently left the Gaza Strip thank you so much for joining me tonight first of all how are you feeling I feel great thank you for the opportunity I feel great because I know this war is a battle for the existence of the Jewish people it's a war of justice and we are on the right side when this war ends with our victory the entire world will be thanking us we spoke in the past including shortly before october 7 you usually speak of courage and strength but I can tell that you're hurting october 7 was a turning point in the history of the Jewish people that's how I see it I was at home no one drafted me, I drafted myself because I heard what was happening people ask me why did I gear up when no one forced me to and my answer to them is that they are slightly confused in my world when a person is in need of help I gear up and try to help out as fast as I can that's the way I was brought up you were in synagogue and so you grab your weapon and drive to the scene well not my rifle because I didn't have it with me yet but my handgun, yes I got into my car not knowing where I was going I got into my car and drove south with no clue of what was expecting me for me the war began when I identified the body of my dear uncle who was killed in the city of Ofakim you see the situation you realize that you have no choice and you have to carry on please accept our deepest condolences for your loss so you say that you had to carry on it's been more than two months since that moment and you're still going yes, two long months but we are ready to keep going for as long as it's needed be it six months, a year whatever it takes we are ready to stop our lives completely I have five daughters a business and it's uncomfortable for me, I didn't want this but I feel that this is the entire Jewish people's fight and they're standing behind us we are their shield and protectors ready to give up our lives to protect them because we have no place else to go you have just returned from fighting in Gaza please try to explain the complexity of fighting in area like Gaza you have to realize one thing Hamas uses the local population but our strength is in our humanity we can be lethal we can be sharp and decisive but we will not kill innocent people Hamas is using innocent people to shield themselves that's why it's difficult for us to fight there but you can be safe for sure that we are able to handle this difficulty maybe a bit slower but with great success they hide behind civilians we will achieve victory without harming innocent people give us an example of that cynical use of civilians as human shields I really hope that people around the world watch this and see how Hamas raised roadblocks trying to prevent people from leaving the war zone in those humanitarian corridors we created to evacuate civilians families they wanted them to stay Hamas uses them for protection and once they started moving they shouted at them it's really difficult for me to see as a fighter a fighter in the army we kill combatants we make a clear distinction Hamas does not they use schools, hospitals places we would normally see as untouchable but they build their entire infrastructure at these locations it's easy truth that they have placed speakers in toys and played sounds of crying children to lure soldiers into certain places Hamas is definitely trying by different means some you have mentioned and some we won't mention here they are trying to lure our soldiers into spaces where they can harm them our soldiers in my eyes are good hearted people so when they hear a cry for help they run to assist Hamas knows that too they are trying to trick us in every possible way with zero morality they know that innocent people will be hurt in the process but they don't care you were wounded several times in the past in one case you were in a coma tell our viewers about the atmosphere in Gaza the moral of the men most of whom are the age of your children I was wounded several times in my military service three times to be exact but I never claimed any disability rights from the state not because I'm a rich man or something like that but because I believe God has given me a chance a life and now it's my time to give back what I saw among our ranks is courage and heroism of young people I was wounded several times in my military service courage and heroism of young people who are saying we are here for anything we are the state of Israel people who are wounded and refuse to be evacuated to hospitals people who lost their best friends and didn't attend the funerals because the fighting was still ongoing this is our true strength those young people who answer the call it's amazing to me and it's our superpower I may be older but I see the spirit and it fills my heart with pride we hero fallen soldiers on a daily basis IDF announcements are delivered to dozens of families how is it perceived inside the strip whilst the fighting is happening and how does it live it's hard either way I won't lie to you and say it's not scarring our hearts we'll do our crying after the war ends right now what I see in front of me is our children your children, my children filled with pride and we will mourn after the war ends but right now we simply don't have the time for it now it's our turn to serve our country and it's a great privilege to me to say that I am here is it true that they forced you to leave Gaza to take over this company commander's training course for future filled commanders it's true but if you are the type of person to say I am here you understand that you have to do whatever is needed and if I'm needed here training our future commanding officers then that's what I'll be doing obviously I'd rather be inside fighting but I see it as a calling to shape the next generation of commanders who will be taking this army forward this country forward like the head of the southern command said recently your generations believed in leading in front and that's why so many officers were killed in Gaza so far because they were up there in the front line the motto of the IDF is follow me it means you will always see commanders leading the force we set an example to our soldiers and make them feel that they can trust their commanders we bring experience and professionalism all of the things we accumulated during our service we don't hide in the tunnels we run forward and we will always do that that is the motto of the army and of the people of Israel what can I wish for you and the fighters in Gaza I want you all to pay close attention to what I'm about to say we will be victorious even if it takes a long time we will win for the people of Israel yes the price will be high but our real mission is to figure out where to go after the victory what kind of society we want to build here after this victory is achieved this victory which will be served on a bloody platter we will build our future with love with care, with humanity with Zionism and the love of the land we are the eternal people and we will have the upper hand I promise Lieutenant colonel Shachar Spara thank you so much for this interview yes, Israeli security and military officials have acknowledged the intelligence failures that allowed Hamas to plan and execute the October 7 attacks but new details have emerged in a report from the New York Times describing how Hamas financed its activities with a portfolio of investments a financial network that the newspaper says Israel's leaders were aware of but did not shut down with more here is our correspondent Kwift as early as 2015 Israeli and US officials became aware of a network of companies that not only funded Hamas but were owned and controlled by it an empire that was worth an estimated half a billion dollars while organizations like ISIS and Al Qaeda have frequently used fronts to launder money Hamas's portfolio was a genuine enterprise launched with seed money to go out to make a profit the New York Times reports it reportedly included mining, chicken farming and road building firms in Sudan two skyscrapers in the United Arab Emirates a property developer in Algeria and trend a real estate company listed on the Turkish stock exchange an Israeli financial intelligence team Task Force Harpoon began tracking the investments flagging up their concerns to US counterparts and the Israeli cabinet but the threat from Iran and the finances it distributed to its proxies Hamas among them ultimately eclipsed fears over the Hamas portfolio and at the time the Israeli security services consensus was that money flowing into Gaza would help tame Hamas rather than arming it for the next attack a strategy led by Israeli minister Benjamin Netanyahu regarding this published investigation I am not familiar with it and I suggest you wait until after the war a thorough examination and a thorough investigation of all these things will be done and the picture will become clear while there were some sanctions placed on businesses and individuals in 2022 ultimately the flow of money from it was not disrupted money that Israeli intelligence assesses was directly invested into Hamas's military preparations For more than two months Israel has been fighting a lower intensity conflict on a second northern front against the powerful Lebanese militia more than 100 Lebanese mostly fighters and at least 11 Israelis have died in the north so far tens of thousands of civilians on both sides of the border have fled the conflict there are fears the conflict could escalate a full scale war between these arch enemies a funeral for fighters killed in action in the streets of Beirut thousands gathered to honor three militants from the Lebanese militia Hezbollah all casualties organizers say of an Israeli airstrike in southern Lebanon Hassan Salman is a 23 year old Hezbollah fighter his chest still raw from a fresh tattoo of his dead friend's name what was your friend fighting for for our country to protect our country do you think the war will continue she will continue until we disappear the crowd chants death to America death to Israel why are you proud? because I stand beside Palestine I stand beside Gaza to let all the world know about what Israel doing are you afraid that more people may be killed in this war? let's make us more strong Hezbollah is an Iranian backed Shiite Muslim militia officially labeled a terrorist organization by the US the UK and the Arab League it's also a sworn enemy of Israel soon after Hamas fighters attacked Israel from Gaza Hezbollah began launching cross-border rocket and mortar attacks on northern Israel in this Hezbollah propaganda video Israel retaliates with artillery and airstrikes though the deadly cross-border conflict has continued for more than two months United Nations peacekeepers deployed here say both sides seem to be holding back our assessment is that for the time being neither side wants to escalate the full war but again that's a question I suppose for the belligerent parties in a speech last month like Hassan Nasrallah said his fighters are essentially a diversion drawing Israeli troops away from Gaza the Lebanese front reduced a large part of the forces that were used to attack Gaza and attracted them toward us Israel's prime minister recently issued a stark warning if Hezbollah decides to open an all out war then within its own hands it will turn Beirut and southern Lebanon which are not far from here into Gaza and Canyones how much appetite do you sense within Lebanon for a new major conflict with Israel absolutely zero no one wants a conflict in Lebanon Lebanon is still reeling from a years long economic crisis though it is the most powerful political force in this deeply divided country Hezbollah argue even Hezbollah can't afford a wider war Hezbollah realizes that the Lebanese society could not absorb a greater conflict and on top of that they realize that their own power in Lebanon would be greatly diminished so far Hezbollah says it has lost around 100 fighters in this border conflict any mistake could make this war much much worse Ivan Watson CNN Beirut ¿Qué es la falta de la falta de 129 hostages que todavía están ahí cómo muchos de ellos han podido vivir cómo muchos de ellos están vivos como hemos visto muchos que han sido matados o murderados y quizás es por un sentido que hay un razón para negociación porque todavía hay hostages para Israel para salvar y para nosotros Pero déjame mirar de otra manera ¿Pero que se siente el presión dentro de la Hamas por la operación de la armada de Israel ¿Pero que se siente el presión dentro de la armada de Israel ¿Pero que se siente el presión dentro de la armada de Israel por la operación de la armada de Israel No hemos visto una vídeo de cuatro semanas y ahora cuando Israel está empujando en el norte de Gaza y el norte de Gaza de repente vemos esos vídeos ¿Pero que se siente el presión en su lado? Pero mi opinión y, de nuevo, como militar o non-defensa o un expediente que los gains incrementales que hemos hecho durante los últimos meses de la armada de Israel han sido menos que en octubre y novembre donde la guerra se sentía muy rápido y muy rápido en el territorio de Gaza Ha habido un sentido, un sentido de estasis pero que los gains incrementales simplemente no son lo que fueron en octubre y novembre y en ese sentido la Hamas fue, al menos incrementalmente bajo menos presión que antes Entonces, si en realidad significa que hay más presión obviamente es una buena noticia para Israel Entonces, moviendo en el grado hay un reporte ahora de nuestro amigo Barack Obama aquí en Israel, diciendo que Israel está listo para una semana en la returna de 40 hostes Entonces, ahora el bol mueve a Hamas Hamas quiere los hostes ¿Qué es su asesoría en eso? Bueno, de nuevo, a partir de lo que dije antes moviendo de los particulares de lo que ha sido negociado, para entender los términos y los contextos en el backdrop Si en el primer round Yoav hablo antes de ese primer hostes fue Israel que tenía más leverage por dos razones número 1, el presión militar que hablábamos y el estado de juego en el batalla y número 2, porque los hostes que hablábamos de entonces fueron formados por los niños y son un asesoría para Hamas y es la lógica perversa porque pueden traer a los niños pero los niños también son una liability en términos de cómo Hamas estaba siendo visto para tenerlos y tenerlos en el mundo la hostes en ese sentido son una liability pero mucho más cuando puedes tomar un tabloid en britán y apreciar la foto de un 9 o 10 un 10-month-old baby esa es la liability para Hamas y eso no es cierto en este momento porque los niños con algunas excepciones horrible de los niños de B-Bus y B-Bus Baby han sido lanzados y así estamos moviendo a otras categorías así que me parece que Hamas tiene más leverage en este round y eso explica por qué es que al menos en el elemento publico ha sido Israel ha sido un asesoría y no la otra vez Entonces vamos a ver a la frontera del norte que hablábamos antes en el show un gran esfuerzo por los americanos por el especial envuelo Amos Ochstein para obtener un acuerdo entre Israel y Lebanon pero uno debe admitir las posibilidades que son muy lindas porque el Jizbala el Lebanon recibió la resolución de 1701 después de la segunda la guerra de Lebanon diciendo que A, embargo en la armadura para el Jizbala B, no para el norte para la Littani River y las dos fueron justificadas por el Jizbala por qué deberían acceder a un nuevo asesoría y si se accedió el Jizbalas priorit y resist texture y que llegue a un mecanismo un전 bueno I think the chances for a real deal right I'm making actual deal forwa as o Jizbala respect a long term peace and security Right? A deal that everybody knows isn't really a deal. Right? A deal that... But why should civilians come back to their houses in northern Israel after they've seen what happened in Gaza? A fake deal is no deal. It has to be a deal that's good enough to convince them to go back. You're right. It has to cross that threshold. But to do more and to actually be a really substantive deal, the kind we're talking about, you know, that we don't know. I mean, look at what 1701 was, right? It was that kind of deal, right? And it was good enough... ...for the time. ...for that period of time. Right. And obviously, the terms are different now. And Israel's lived experience is different. Most importantly, since October 7th. You're right. Whatever deal that is made has to cross a threshold of enabling those who live in the communities on the northern border to go back. But whether it would actually do more than that and do more than just kick the can down the road and allow the Biden administration to say and to feel. And not just to say, but to know that they've prevented a wider conflict in the Middle East, which is obviously the last thing that they want for reasons that are too obvious to go into. And for Israel, which I suspect, again, I defer to you on this, it's going to be just exhausted, exhausted coming out of the war in the south and not all that ready for what could be a very, very costly war against Hezbollah, even if the goals are more limited in the north than they were in the south still. And obviously on the Lebanese side, you know, we saw it in that report. Lebanon is not Gaza and Hezbollah is not Hamas in the sense that Hezbollah is more responsive to its constituents, both in the narrow sense of its tribe, of its sector in the Shia population in Lebanon and the wider constituents of the rest of the country because the Shia sector, Yoav has to live with the rest of the country and the country is having so many problems. Oh, and Alterman, thank you so much, as always. And that's all the time we have for this week from all of us here in the Jaffa port. I wish you a safe, pleasant and quiet evening. Hope to see you again next week. Bye-bye. ¡Bringing Israel's story to the world! I-24 News Channels, now on Hot. Lo más doloroso fue visitar el domingo pasado por la noche a la familia Baruch, padres de Adi. Y, por eso, las personas más influentes de México y de la comunidad sumamente emocionados compartió con todos los que estaban ahí presentes un momento de su visita a Israel. Y quiero que veamos ahora un segundo de ese momento. Lo más doloroso fue visitar el domingo pasado por la noche a la familia Baruch, padres de Adi. Adi era una joven de 23 años. Su madre me contó que fue una niña independiente, alegre y siempre ocupada en ayudar a sus padres, a sus dos hermanos, menores. Líder entre sus amigas y llena de ilusión. Adi era pasionada de la fotografía e inició su propio negocio a los 16 años. Cubría todos los eventos y alegrías de la zona amaba la vida y estaba llena de sueños. Su ilusión era casarse con su novio, formar una familia y fotografiar el mundo. Les voy a leer algo que Adi escribió. Lograr tus sueños es la felicidad verdadera. Si no tienes sueños, jamás serás feliz. Adi y su padre fueron llamados a servir el mismo día en zonas diferentes. Esta foto es el día que salieron ambos de su casa y se vieron por última vez. Y esta foto se la mandó Adi a su mamá un par de horas antes de que un mil síl lanzado por jamás impactaba cerca de ella y la rebataba la vida. Carlos, se vio a esa casa muy emocionado, profundamente tocado por su visita a Israel. Cuéntanos sobre ese momento y en Argentina las oportunidades que tuvieron? Realmente la de esa casa fue tremenda porque él contó todo su viaje. Yo elegí solamente un momento y ya vamos a tener oportunidad de pasarlo. Pero en Argentina tuve oportunidad de ser invitado a diferentes medios para explicar lo que está pasando en Israel. Lo más importante fue el acto realizado en 7.12 con dos meses del atentado y escuchemos algunas voces y algunas palabras entre ellas la del embajador de Israel en Argentina, José Luis Caracela. Necesito que me ayuden a pedir por Luis la pareja de mi mamá, que es un reconocido bailarín y cujos 10 nietos lo esperan para abrazarlo y volver a saborear la maravillosa comida que él les prepara. Hay aún 130 secuestrados en los sótonos y túneles autónomos y túneles del cautivario de jamás y cada uno de ellos merece regresar con sus familias. El Estado argentino tiene que comprometerse y unirse a nuestro reclamo, todos los secuestrados deben ser liberados, sanos y saldos. Vidas se los llevaron, con vida los queremos. Bueno, fue un evento muy emocionante y muy importante, vemos el apoyo de la comunidad judía argentina y amamiento a la liberación de los más de 130 israelíes que todavía se están secuestrados en Gaza, entre ellos muchos que son de nacionalidad también argentina, el famoso Niño Kfir, hermano Ariel, los padres Shiri y Yarden, y uno de sus familiares estaba acá y también la Yamaya, acondena al terrorismo del derecho de israel de autodefensa, todo este coincide con la primera noche de jánuka, la fiesta de la experiencia, la fiesta de la luz, entonces para mi fue un evento muy emocionante. Tarías más importantes en estos días es la de explicar y comentar qué es lo que está pasando en el medio oriente desde el 7 de octubre, qué es lo que ha estado venido ocurriendo entre Israel y el grupo terrorista Jamás. Se encuentra a Bia Zoom, Gabriel Ventazcal, fundador de la organización Hatsat Hageni, La Cara de la Verdad, que es una organización especializada en diplomacia pública. Gabriel también es autor de 300 preguntas, 300 palabras. Gracias, Gabriel, por estar con nosotros en Ito Uniform News. Bienvenido. Plaza. Comencemos por la pregunta más simple. ¿Cuáles son las 300 preguntas? A ver, lo que tenía un profesor de publicidad que me decía que una persona que no sabe explicar una película de cine o un partido de fútbol en 100 palabras, entonces es importante que se dedique a otra cosa y no explicar. Entonces, lo que planteamos en el libro es una cantidad de temas relacionados con la evolución del conflicto palestino israelí sobre la naturaleza, el conflicto palestino israelí y sobre posibles escenarios a partir de lo que está ocurriendo. Estuve contigo una charla en la que mencionaste cuatro puntos para resolver la situación de Israel en el mundo. Podrías repetirla de alguna manera. Cuatro puntos, te referías a, recordame. ¿Darles solución a este conflicto que tenemos jamás y con los palestinos? Yo supongo que te refieres a que vemos varios escenarios posibles. El primero, que Israel conquiste la franja de Gaza y que pasa a ser potencia ocupante del territorio y que se quede ahí durante un tiempo prolongado, yo creo que es un escenario menor. Me cuesta creer que algo así ocurra. Lo segundo es que Israel, bajo presión de Estados Unidos o en concordancia con parte de la coalición de gobierno, le entrega el poder de la franja de Gaza a la autoridad palestina. No creo que sea la postura esta del primer ministro de Israel ni creo que sea parte de la postura de buena parte de la población. Y el tercer escenario es que se crea una especie de autoridad palestina suplementaria en donde algún líder palestino administre la franja de Gaza del punto de vista civil y que Israel lo que haga es guardar la autonomía para poder intervenir militarmente cuando lo crea conveniente. En estos tres escenarios existe un cuarto escenario que es que los líderes del jamás no permanezcan en la franja de Gaza sino que se exilien copiando el modelo de la OLP del año 1982 y se habla posiblemente de Argelia como sede de la recepción de estos líderes del jamás si fuesen exiliados. Gabriel, uno de los temas fundamentales que nos enfrentamos hoy en día es una lucha desigual que existe en las redes sociales. Aparentemente, todo lo que nosotros hacemos en la televisión, en los medios, en Twitter, no alcanza como para cubrir las desventajas que tiene Israel ahí. ¿Qué es lo que debería hacerse para que haya un cambio en esa zona? Bueno, ante todo es verdad, la desventaja existe y además la desventaja se produce por varios factores, entre ellos por una comprensión del Medio Oriente quizás un tanto primitiva de creer que es un conflicto territorial. Y lo segundo está solapada por prejuicios anti-semitas acumulados durante años ante los cuales es muy difícil dar batalla. Pero lo que puedo decirte sí es que ante todo es importante preservar a las comunidades judías, o sea crear un antivirus de conocimiento en donde el ataque hacia los judíos o hacia Israel no penetre en nuestros hijos o en nuestros adultos. Y lo segundo, tener una intención de dar batalla intelectual y los contenidos para poder brindar esa batalla intelectual. Yo creo que en ese sentido se puede ganar una discusión fáctica cuando se tiene los conocimientos y la intención para poder doblegar una acusación. Gabriel Ventazcal, muchísimas gracias por estar con nosotros en I24 News, aclararnos seguramente vamos a tener que tenerte aquí en el estudio un día para hablar sobre tu libro y un tema tan profundo como es este conflicto y todas sus vicisitudes. Así es. Muchas gracias, Gabriel. Un placer. La liberación de secuestrados fue una pequeña luz en la oscuridad de lo que está haciendo esta guerra. Se crean historias y esta vez una de esas historias tiene acento argentino, Ophelia Feller. Fue secuestrada el 7 de octubre y liberada el 28 de octubre. Su sobrino Hernán Feller fue su voz en el cautiverio ya que él transmite fútbol y llega a millones de personas. Así es, Carlos. Hernán Feller, periodista deportivo en Argentina que hoy nos acompaña en los estudios de I24 News Hernán, bienvenido a quien te la viene. Muy bien, y nos acompaña también Cílio Joscovic, director... ...titular del Departamento de Emprendimiento Cienista de la Organización Cirista Mundial. Ok, que en un título largo proviencen los valores. Ok. Qué tal, Hernán, cuéntanos cómo fue para ti y es una experiencia que yo sé que te lo han preguntado varias veces enterarte que tu tía había sido secuestrada y comenzó esa olas de ayuda de energía desde Argentina a Israel. Bueno, primero una felicidad enorme, un alivio muy grande de terminar con ese calvario, con ese sufrimiento, con incertidumbre que genera tener a alguien tan querido secuestrado y no tener noticias y no saber qué pasa y qué es de su vida. Y bueno, esa mañana nos juntamos en la casa de mis padres, con mis hermanos y con toda la familia para verlo como si fuese la final del Mundial, pero por algo mucho más importante que era la vida de alguien tan querido. Y en el momento que la vimos bajar de la camioneta a la Cruz Roja fue una emoción muy grande, estallamos en llanto todo, nos abrazamos. Pero bueno, como dije recién, felices y aliviados, pero la tarea todavía no ha terminado. Obviamente, queda todavía por liberar a todavía muchos de los que todavía han sido empresas. En el caso de ustedes, ustedes están trayendo a gente que venga a conocer qué es lo que está pasando en Israel. Estamos trayendo delegaciones de toda Latinoamérica, trajimos dos delegaciones, una de dirigentes comunitarios de la Argentina, trajimos a directores educativos de toda América Latina. Y bueno, tuvimos el honor de poder apoyar para traer a Hernán, aquí a Israel, porque el tema de los secuestrados tiene que quedar sobre la mesa. Tenemos la obligación de que se siga manteniendo viva hasta llama, hasta que el último de los secuestrados venga. Y fue una iniciativa de la Organización Civilista Mundial, el departamento que yo dirijo, pero también participaron FACMA, que es la Federación Argentina de Centros Comunitarios Macabeos, que es el hambrela de los centros comunitarios y deportivos en la Argentina, y también de LIMUD. LIMUD es un grupo sensacional que trabaja por el judaísmo alternativo y atrae a los no afiliados y también a la sociedad gentil para demostrar, para mostrar el judaísmo dentro del país y la Organización Civilista Argentina. Es decir, cuando estuviste en la embajada de Argentina, aquí con el cargo de negocios que estuvo el presidente de la Dalla, el presidente de la AMIA, me dijiste en tus declaraciones que no son renes, son secuestrados, ¿cuál es la diferencia? La diferencia es que renes tiene un status en una guerra, tiene un status determinado. Aquí no fue una guerra, aquí entraron a secuestrar a gente, por eso es distinto. Y, por supuesto, para el continente latinoamericano, el tema secuestrado, conocemos que tiene una temática mucho más fuerte porque es la historia lamentable de toda América Latina. Por eso son secuestrados, inclusive los soldados también son secuestrados, porque no fueron en combate, no cayeron en manos en combate. Hernán, ahora viene la pregunta futbolera, digamos, vos trabajas en un medio que transmites todas las semanas, todos los días, no tengo idea, porque la vez que estoy en Argentina, todos los días hay fútbol. Todos los días. Todos los días hay fútbol, pero la idea de sumar tu reclamo antes del partido, no sé, durante, pero antes del partido, contamos cómo nace esa idea. Nace desde el corazón y sigue siendo el corazón, hoy siento una responsabilidad y cargo con ella con mucho compromiso, porque hay que seguir haciéndolo por más que mi día haya regresado. Y, bueno, la verdad que nace porque primero tengo la posibilidad de la libertad de expresión, tanto en el canal como en la radio, en TaySport y en Dispo Radio, porque muchas veces en los medios en los que uno trabaja dicen que tenemos libertades y después, a la hora de la verdad, no aparece. Y acá tuve desde el comienzo la posibilidad de poder decir lo que quería. Y la realidad es que mi reclamo, que fue siempre y seguirá siendo siempre antes del comienzo de cada partido, apunta a dos cosas, que creo que son las más importantes hoy en esta historia. Condenar al grupo terrorista jamás y pedir por la devolución de los secuestrados. No hablo de política, no hablo de los temas de Estado, no hablo si alguien tiene razón o no tiene razón. Acá hay que condenar a jamás por el acto miserable que cometió y pedir la liberación de los secuestrados. Eso es lo único que apunto. Bueno, por eso, ahora veamos cómo Hernán hacía el llamamiento a la liberación de su tía o felias de esta manera. Estamos en el estadio Maracaná esperando por Brasil y Argentina a través de Dispo Radio y Radio Riva Bavia. Y a 45 días de la masacre del 7 de octubre en Israel, seguimos condenando enérgicamente al grupo terrorista jamás. Seguimos exigiendo la liberación y el regreso inmediato de los 240 secuestrados, 22 argentinos y un brasileño que cada uno pueda volver a su casa. No te da culpa, no decir nada. No te da vergüenza el silencio. Omitir, callar, no decir, es sinónimo de complicidad. Devuelvan ofelia, devuelvan a todos los secuestrados. Los estamos esperando. Bueno, Hernán, decir no te da vergüenza el silencio con todos los jugadores. Ver la imagen de todos de Messi y nombrar ese hecho tan nuestro y tan de la región como ha sido lo que ha venido de Israel. ¿Cómo te sentiste en esa libertad? Bueno, yo... hay veces que uno, cuando habla sin preparar nada, se dice que es solamente del corazón, pero cuando uno escribe también muchas veces son del corazón. Y ante una situación emocional tan grande como es hablar de un familiar secuestrado o de una situación que nos involucra a todos, yo cada texto lo preparé, lo tuve en mi cabeza, pero además escrito para poder decirlo bien porque es un momento de mucho nervio, de mucha emoción, de mucha tristeza. Yo quería dejar claro el mensaje como tenía que ser. Y bueno, en cada uno que hice fue distinto a otro, pero siempre con energía, en algunos más enfáticos que en otro, pero siempre con el objetivo de reclamar por los secuestrados y condenando el terrorismo de jamás. Veamos ahora, entonces, cómo fue una vez que la tío Felia fue liberada y cómo fue recibido su mensaje. Navidad. No podemos ocultarlo. Estamos felices y aliviados, seguimos alzando la voz. Todavía quedan 137 personas secuestradas. Seguimos condenando enérgicamente al grupo terrorista jamás. Violaron, torturaron, secuestraron y asesinaron. Y voz en silencio. No vamos a parar. La tarea todavía no terminó. Celebraremos el día que regresen todos a sus casas. Veemos que Argentina es un país totalmente fútbolizado para llamarlo de alguna manera. ¿De qué manera recibieron tus colegas? Porque era el único que hacía este tipo de llamamiento. En líneas generales con mucha empatía, por lo menos mis compañeros, no todos los partidos hago los relatos con el mismo comentarista, pero en general todos lo recibieron muy bien, me acompañaron, me apoyaron. Por supuesto que cuando a veces repetía con el mismo comentarista, no me volví a decir algo igual, pero tenía su guíneo, tenía su acompañamiento. A veces en silencio, pero el silencio respetuoso, no el silencio de ocultar. Y siempre estuvieron pendientes dentro de un partido fútbol y fuera del partido fútbol de cómo seguía la historia de mi tía y de todos los secuestrados. Bueno, llegaste a Israel. Lo primero que hiciste, me imagino, ver a tu tía. ¿Cómo la conseguiste? Bien, la verdad que la vi en una videollamada el día siguiente de la liberación y era mi tía. En la videollamada. En la videollamada ya me di cuenta que era mi tía. Por supuesto, después de todo lo que le tocó vivir. Pero el encuentro fue maravilloso, fue muy emocionante, mi papá, que me acompañaron tanto mi mamá como mi papá. Muy muy conmovidos por la situación, por todo lo que generó, por la tristeza, el dolor de no saber de alguien que uno quiere qué era lo que estaba pasando, si le íbamos a encontrar viva, cómo iba a bajar del camión de la Cruz Roja. Y la verdad que estamos felices disfrutando de este momento que estamos viviendo juntos. ¿Y hay algo que te contó especial que quizás quieras compartir con nosotros? Tendríamos que hacer un programa de seis horas. Pero va a ser cortito y creo que eso... Algo que te haya llamado la atención. Bueno, para que la gente entienda lo que vivió. La oscuridad. Ella en varios momentos creyó que iba a vivir un holocausto otra vez. Porque le daban dos veces por día comida, porque la comida era muy seca y no le pasaba y tenía miedo de morirse de hambre. Y dijo, tengo que estar fuerte para poder salir de acá. Pero pensó que iba a vivir un holocausto. Bueno, nosotros estamos viendo que te encontraste con ella. Y que además tuviste la posibilidad de regalarle un libro. Contános un poco qué es este libro de la tía Ophelia que estamos viendo ahí mientras vamos viendo alguna de sus páginas. ¿Qué vendría a hacer? Bueno, el libro es un poco para dejar un testimonio de todo lo que ella vivió, del horror. Para que quienes sigan en las próximas vidas sepan todo lo que vivió y que no se debe repetir. Todos los días, desde el 7 de octubre, que le mandé el primer mensaje de whatsapp y que ella nunca leyó, me prometí que todos los días, hasta que me vuelvo a contestar, le iba a escribir aunque ella no lo lea y no sepa que yo le estaba escribiendo. Era algo que me hacía bien a mí. Era algo que a mí me daba la posibilidad de sentirme conectado con ella y que realmente me tiene muy contento y dejé ahí todos esos whatsapp que le mandé, muchas reacciones de la gente, mucho acompañamiento de la gente, fotos de la familia, fotos de reacciones y todo lo que se vio desde el 7 de octubre hasta el 28 de noviembre con su liberación. Buenísimo. Silvio, como organizacionista mundial en lo que respecta al lado latinoamericano, ¿cómo ha sido Latinoamérica ante todo este hecho que está viviendo? ¿Por qué lo siguen viviendo Israel? Latinoamérica se presentó, se alineó detrás de Israel en una forma sensacional. La comunidad judía de Latinoamérica siempre fue una comunidad judía muy amena con Israel. Pero después del 7 de octubre la comunidad se alineó detrás de Israel. Pero lo importante aquí es que nosotros estamos hablando de una guerra entre la oscuridad y la luz, entre el bien y el mal. Esta guerra no es solamente la comunidad judía, es la guerra de la comunidad judía cristiana, es la guerra de todos aquellos que buscan el bien de este mundo, un mundo mejor. Por eso es importante recalcar que no es solamente algo de los judíos o de Israel. Es algo del mundo entero. Exactamente. Bueno, tenemos un mensaje, ¿verdad Carlos? que grabó la tía Ophelia para ustedes y otro también que dejaste en la plaza de los secuestrados en Tel Aviv. Yo soy Ophelia Royman, fui secuestrada estuve 53 días de los cuales 46 estuve en una casa sola casi sin luz casi sin comida fueron días muy ondos y muy difíciles con mucho, mucho temor. A la llegada hace 3 días estando con mi familia que la anioré muchísimo me comentaron que vos Hernán Sobrino mío hiciste un trabajo muy lindo te agradezco mucho nuevamente y gracias al pueblo argentino que me conoció no de esta manera hubiese querido que me conozcan pero saben que soy Ophelia Royman y que soy argentina Me parece increíble estar en Israel así a 26 años que no pisaba esta tierra y a pesar de eso la siento mi casa Bueno Uno la felicidad de la tía de saber que salió que te mandó un mensaje por tu tarea y además tuviste ayer en la plaza con todo Israel y dijiste me siento en casa después de estar 26 años sin venir a Israel ¿Cómo funciona eso? Funciona porque el corazón te dice cómo funciona yo me siento no quiero decir que me siento israelí pero me siento y soy muy judío y respeto la tradición, la historia nuestras fiestas y lo llevo bien en alto y con orgullo y cuando uno dice las cosas al corazón salen como salieron ayer en una plaza que estaba repleta que había más de 15.000 personas y en algún momento cuando lo hablábamos con Silvio digo el discurso en español o luego en fonética en hebreo no es importante escuchar una voz distinta a la que se escuchan todos los días acá y entonces bueno él me ayudó con la traducción ¿Cómo fue la sensación del público que te oía decir eso en español Silvio lo traducía en hebreo? No, fuérmos, la verdad yo estaba muy nervioso, aparte conmovido nervioso por la situación por todo lo que pasaba y por estar en un lugar donde tanta gente está sufriendo y donde alguna vez estuvieron mis primos y mis tíos ahí reclamando por mi tía y después bueno se dijo lo que se dijo desde el corazón, pensado, escrito y después también por supuesto la impronta de Silvio para poder también transmitir de su lugar lo que yo estaba haciendo porque si lo hubiese hecho de otra forma no se hubiese interpretado para toda la gente lo que yo quería transmitir antes de despedirnos distintos proyectos que ustedes sigan trayendo para conocer lo que está pasando en Israel de aquí a futuro comenzamos con un proyecto de mandar ahora en Jánuca en la fiesta de las Luminarias enviamos a héroes que dieron luz en el 7 de octubre enviamos a alrededor de 17 personas que tuvieron una un agonismo el 7 de octubre salvando gente estando en las luchas con los terroristas y vamos a continuar mandando gente para que el tema este siga estando sobre la mesa como dije antes para que podamos trabajar todo el mundo en contra del mal en contra la escuridad bueno no nos queda más que agradecerles a ambos especialmente Hernán por el trabajo que hacen y los voces fuertes son ustedes y nuestro pedido como siempre es el de que liberen los proyectos que van acercando a Israel y que de alguna manera transmiten lo que está pasando debo decir que yo estuve al principio comenté que estuve en México y en Argentina y donde mucha gente no tiene la menor idea debo decirlo así la menor idea de lo que está pasando y nuestra vida aquí es muy diferente a ambos muchísimas gracias siempre es el de que liberen absolutamente a todos los secuestrados así es como se debemos decirlo los que quieren pueden seguirnos en facebook, en x en instagram y en la página web de i24news y nos estaremos viendo la semana que viene claro que sí carlos muchísimas gracias a todos hasta la próxima