 First on the agenda is to include the agenda by having something we want to amend. That agenda is pretty. Certainly. Okay. All in favor? All right. Rain or hail, part of our agenda. Pretty soon we'll have pizza and pizza and beer. All takes emotion during the second half. All of it. Cool. Yeah. All right. We'll open it to public comment or inquiries or anything that is not on the agenda this evening that anyone would like to bring up. Just remember that if you do this, you know, even though we might know you, just make sure you identify yourself so we have your record. Dylan? Yeah. So, as you guys probably know, I bought the John Henry's whole place there. I'm looking to have my water and sewer abated at work. I don't know if abated is the right word, but close comb until I can get the place cleaned out and take a better look at it and see where it's going to be at. It's your water, isn't it currently off? It's off now, yeah. It's currently at full. They're all shut off, yeah. Yeah. I mean, I think the only thing I'd like to do, sorry to the board, is to make a formal appointment so that we can make sure that it's put into the meeting minutes as such or that, because any time to do, you know, it's not necessarily an abatement, but to do that process would rather do it in an interview time rather than a public interview. Yeah. So, that's all right. But we can always backdate things if we need to catch up. So, why don't you just get your proposal they have? Yeah. Get the proposal of what you're looking for, exactly what you're looking for and the time period in which you're looking at doing that. I can leave this literally. And then just get that to Therese. And then we'll formally put you on the next meeting so that we can do that process. Tell me, do you want to be 6.15? Sure. Yeah, that's fine. So that way we can have an official appointment of the water commission. Water tour commission. They may have an issue with that. I think it's July 8th. I don't have a calendar. Is that on July 8th? On the next quarter. Is that what it is? Probably. Make sure it was done at the time. Yes. Okay, July 8th at 6.50. I'll leave. I'll make sure. All right. And then as long as you have a definitive time, just like we did before. Yeah. Looking at the project done by this date, if not, we will come in and have another appointment about it. I'm thinking about a year on this. And then exactly what you're looking for. It's rough. Yeah. I mean, you guys are all probably dead. Well, it's building that. I don't think we've collected any revenue off in years. Not until you bought it? Yeah. Well, it's not like the service has been provided in the past year or so. Yeah. We've been paid all the back stuff that we're going to be. Well, we appreciate that. Well, you're welcome. So, if you're good with that, then to reason that I'll give you a 15 minute appointment next time to come back. We'll do that. We'll do that. Okay. Excellent. Does anybody else have anything that's going on the agenda? Yep. Hi. I'm Michelle Packard. And I have some concerns about Beth Agiliet. Our hill is almost impossible. It is a nightmare. I've been told many things. Today I finally went to the town website looking for the phone number to call the town office because I left a message on Thursday night at the town garage, which I was told to do. And they still have not put the answering machine identifying who it is. It's just a blank message. So I left a message. No one called me back today. I did call the town office. I finally poked around on the website enough that I found the bids that it's going out to bid. Well, my understanding was that it was already out to bid and they were just waiting for FEMA approval. Imagine my surprise when I see that it's not even supposed to be completed. The date is like September 19th. That road's like going to barely survive. And I have not gotten a call back from the town garage I've called twice. They didn't call me today. I had to call in. I still, no one's called. Nobody's done anything. Nobody's saying anything. I feel like I know the old town manager's gone. I'm sorry. Thank you. Because he was condescending and rude to me. And I just want to know when the road's going to be passable. I don't want to lose my car in the ditch. And if the road's not maintained, it's not going to be any good. If there's no ditches, the water's going to go where? Wherever it pleases. A lot of this on this road, on our hill, was from not maintaining it last fall when it started eating away at the side. I just want some answers. I want to know the truth. I feel like I've been lied to. That's where I'm at. Well, thank you for coming tonight. You know, the FEMA process is a tricky one. You know, it's not quite as fast moving as we would like it to be. So it comes in a couple of phases. The first phase really is our local response to it, which is get the roads open so that people can get out. So if you take the day after the flood on, get people out of the house. I know, it was two days. Which some of these roads were one lane, might have taken a week in some roads to get people going. And then once we get FEMA involved, we have to be careful because we identify the areas exactly the way they are. So we can't do any improvements. We can do maintenance to allow travel, but we can't go out there and start permanently building things. Or we can lose our funding. When it comes to the FEMA, at the end of the day, 85-90% of the overall cost will be taken care of by the federal government on those gravel roads. So what we've been trying to do the day in, and unfortunately, you know, Gilead Brook Road isn't the only one that was affected by it, is, so we're trying to maintain these roads so that they are passable safely. As well as trying to do our other normal functions that we normally would do this time of year, which is, you know, paint crosswalks, which, thank you, everything looked really good. You guys did a good job today out there. So we're trying to do our normal program, but still trying to do catch-up. And, you know, we had a really long winter, so, you know, we're dealing with, you know, we're talking about some of the rare winter policies and talking about equipment that's been broken down. And so definitely on that, there was several roads that were affected, and every road wasn't like one area was affected, it was multiple areas. So it takes a lot of time with the last month or so has been really working with local us with the state of Vermont and FEMA. So, like, the gravel roads tend to things come through the FEMA fund. So we've been working with, we've been working through the guidelines in FEMA to design. So if we would have, if we wanted to design it by having a consultant do the work, we would have to put that out to bid, then wait for them to design it, then go to the bid process, and then have the work done. So to cut that portion out of it, we did a lot of the design locally through the state of Vermont. So we were able to actually save time by doing that. And now we're in the process of, there's four total gravel roads bids, main bids. We did them in quadrants, so there's the different quadrants, and each quadrant has half a dozen or so roads involved in them with multiple locations. So. I understand that. I understand the process. I know what the process is. I just want the road to be maintained. When it continues to be away, and it gets narrower and narrower, that ain't about FEMA. That's about, let's make the roads was passable. That's all I'm asking. Right. I'm asking for makings. I'm asking that it's timely, and that to think about ditching, because they've taken all the ditches away. Right. The problem is right now, is all we can do is make it passable. We can't ditch it. We can't do any of that work at all. If we started doing work there, we'll lose our FEMA fund. I know all that. And then instead of us paying out, I don't know, throw a number out to 50 grand, that we have to retire. We might have to retire a million, you know, in these towns. However, I will say that, you know, that I've been getting an update on the gravel roads and one we've been grading. Granted, it has been a struggle because the weather has not cooperated. And in some cases, some of the roads were so bad that we even tried grading in the rain just to appease people, which worked out very well. So, you know, recently, so two weeks ago, we had Graded Gilead, Bright Road, Trout Brook, and McIntosh Hill. So we had, those got graded two weeks ago. Of course, Matt. Granted, we've had, you know, two storm events since then too. So there's new erosion, there's new potholes, you know. So we're really doing our best. All I can do is, I'm sure Alan's sitting here tonight and he'll make sure that tomorrow he takes a drive up Gilead to see what areas may or may not need to be maintained a little better. And, you know, we'll go from there. We're trying to get these bids out as fast as we can. We have, I decided, a pre-construction this morning. We're going to award one of them the first bid tonight. They all have different time frames. And it's tricky because we all want the work done now. But if we make the time restriction too much, you know, Dill can tell you. If we said all this work needs to be done in a month, you're going to get one bidder, you know, maybe. You know, so you have to stretch it out there to, you know, August, September, take time frame so that the contractors who are in the middle of their year have the ability to bid and do the work. So as well as, you know, we're still in the process of doing a few more that have come out. It's not an easy process. It's a slow process. You know, Alan's got it noted. He'll make sure he takes a look at Healy Brook and while he's up there, I'm sure he'll look at the other ones up there to see what more we can do. What about the phone calls? When you call somebody, it's a good to see the problem back. I get the feeling of stuff. I just want to be able to get home and then not have to panic when the pouring is the part under C9. Sure. To find out Friday if they're not even working and it rains so hard that nobody is out there. I mean, I would recommend that, you know, my experience is, you know, even though we have a phone at the Public Works, it's not probably checked as often as we'd like it to be. So I would say your first point of contact should be the town manager's office. And then if you can't get somebody, hold on, hold on. It was. And you also have, it's very easy to find my number or anybody else's from the board and would be more than happy to discuss over the phone or go out and see you. But, you know, I do appreciate, you know, everybody that has been affected. It's not an easy process to go through. And so the goal is to finish getting these jobs out, which were awarding the first one tonight. There's four total gravel roads ones. We're working on the, and they all come with different sources of funding. We're working on the Camp Brook one now that we hope to have out, I don't know, a week to do the paving in that portion of it. And then we have, we have a temporary bridge, one that has to go out, and then we have one more, we'll call it a catch-all, we'll clean up the rest of the couple of smaller ones that weren't top priorities come to do. Michelle, I have a question. Is it the entire Gilead, or are you up at the, are you at the top? Nearby. Nearby. Past by. Your past by. So do you feel like the bottom part of Gilead, the first part, is all right, it's just as you get further up? It's possible. It's our bill. They did take pictures, but pictures don't do justice. Okay. I mean, I stopped trying to take it because I can't get the debt. Right. Yeah. And I just feel like they're not, I guess I frustrated the most with the fact that I was told to call the town manager, not to call the town manager. You're telling me the opposite. And the town manager is not calling people back. So I have resorted to the town manager's office. Yeah, that's fine. And for people who are pacifying, and I feel like you're trying to pacify them. Well what happens is sometimes we don't always know the schedule for grading if we're not aware of what their schedule is. That's why sometimes we will at the town office say call the town barrage because we don't always know what their grading plan is or what. So we can't always be as much of an assistance to you as we'd like to be. And that's why we sometimes send you to the highway to get answers. And I'm sorry that nobody called you back but certainly that's not normal practice for us. So certainly normally somebody will call you back. But I know that the road forward will definitely take a look at Gilead tomorrow especially now that we understand that it's further up on your part and we'll see what happens. Was that section that staged the fight on it? No. There is one state that the foot of the hill marked a new color, but it's a pretty big drop. But where our washout is, I mean I can show you a picture. If you go further, there might be another fight because all this was marked out earlier. I lived at the end. Yeah, because they staged it out. So basically if you're in between two states that part is bid out. But if you're not, then that's on the tap. That's the portion of the highway. I don't know if there's a state above me or not. It's at Wright's House. I don't usually go up there because that part of the hill is pretty much okay. Right. But I'm right across from Mitchell's on that hill and the worst washout is at the telephone pole next to my property. So we have your number then at the town office? We should. Okay. I'm actually out of it because I sent him up on Gilead first later this morning, which I Gilead and those two hours before it got the worst. Okay. So someone will call you tomorrow. It's probably going to be me. I will call you tomorrow. Well after the road foreman goes up and we talk about it, I will call you tomorrow. I will be at work. Okay. And you have, she has your word, I will call you tomorrow. And it's not that I'm trying to be a pain. I get the process. Yeah, I know I get it. I know disaster. I know emergency stuff. I just think that you've got to get out there and look. Not, I don't know what lion looks like. I can see that it's a mess. I was actually at the third station. I haven't had to. So, I don't know. Let me use your message until, what was it this morning? When I wrote your number down so I could have it on video. But I was out of it. So it's over in that shop, I think. I'm trying not to be a pain, but if you need to move on, I know. But it's not okay. Well, we'll make sure that somebody is in touch with you and we'll go through that. I appreciate you coming in tonight and sharing that with us. Thank you. I just want to touch the beauty of it. I think our roads are dangerous right now. And they're not off-stakes and they're not off-stakes. And it's green hours. Why would you go up here? Where do your roads got some spots? There's no stakes. There's no tape. I don't think there was tape or stakes on that. All roads. I told my husband, somebody drives down that road in the dark, somebody's going to get hurt. Stealth holes are four and five feet deep up there. There's no excuse for that. How many months ago was this flood? And that's Whittier? Whittier. Yeah, well I think the entire Whittier went out with in that vein that's going to war tonight. I guess I'm trying to consider that we don't have signs that the bonds with tops of these roads to let people know. I could come out of Stockbridge, and I drive up a rock on every day, and I used to go up a roof mountain and down Campbell Road and then up. And I can't do that right now and feel like I'm not going to hurt my car. So I'm adding that for ten miles to go up a roof mountain every day. And I'm wondering, let me talk to her for a second. But I think I wrote her the worst shape I've ever seen. But if I keep down Whittier, there's not a sign there to let me know there's any damage. Somebody's going to come down there at ten at night when it's dark and somebody's going to get hurt. I don't think you can finish the road in three years. Five, ten years? Okay. There's nothing to see for that. In front of my house, there's a culvert. And there's a new house I can't grow up. Above my house. And that ground that comes down that culvert's floor, it comes across the road, it's all over my life. My husband and I get into roads and shovel all that gravel off our own lawn. Yes. I'm just still out. And I just had a quick concern about Goodale Road, which is off of Gilead. And what has happened over the years is I've always been very grateful that the road got fixed because it isn't town road, but it's basically my driveway. So I've never said anything just being very grateful that it got fixed. But it's never... When I first bought the house, I had to drive my lawnmower up and down beside the driveway, beside the road five times. And now there is just like no room for error when you come down that driveway, which is like a pollution in the winter. But I think that if it got repaired, at least close to how it used to be, it wouldn't be as big of a problem as far as getting washed out. It's just, you know, because of where the water wants to go after it goes under the bridge, it keeps eroding it and eroding it. And after Irene, we did fix the bank in front of our house. We had to pay $25,000 to fix the part in front of our house because it was a leech field and it's dumped the road. But that's always held ever since, you know? It was done by Larry Pickett and it was worth it because that big rip-rap and it just, you know, stayed. Whereas every time it hit, like I can't even tell you. I mean, the big one was Irene in this last one, but I hope that that can get fixed so that it's out further a little bit with a little room for error when you come down the road. Was that road included in the... Good deal. Good deal. Good deal. I don't know how I'm going to look at this. I just wrote it down so I can look. I don't know. So this sign is gone since Irene it's never gotten put back up which we do have the sign. That's the other thing I was going to ask but there's just one of those metal poles. We have the sign that says good deal road after the Irene flood. And what it is, is that it was an old road that used to go from ghillie it over to camp road. There's a right way on our property. I can look at the biz tomorrow. I can look at the package to see if it's good deal. It's not jumping out of me. It doesn't mean it's not in there because there's so many roads. It's the next one up after the Pinellas Bridge. Let me take a look at the delgada. Well the delgada will winch but I don't want it to be a road. The delgada. Because that is where the box holder is over the small bridge. Okay. So I'll look at it and see if I can call you. I did call the town office one day on the corner. I don't know that an emergency vehicle could get through there. The fire truck or the ambulance. And somebody was going to come look at it. Maybe they looked at it and they decided that a fire truck or ambulance could make it up. But I just want to go in records that I called and now I've said it again here. Case my house for instance. Is your number in the book? Is your number in the book? I can tell you. Okay. My home number is 234-9157. Thanks. Alright. And my work is 728-7710. Okay. We'll take a peek and then I'll give you a call just to make sure we've got the whole thing. Is your house in the only one on? Correct. Okay. I'll be there tomorrow. Okay. I just want to say, I don't want to stick to the biz. Thank you very much. Thank you. Yeah. Anybody else for the public comment inquiry? Yes. Can I get a hand with the trash? With the trash? In the buildings. I was going to use the trash. I was freaking the trash. I was literally throwing the control of things. Coming from there. And they have the farmers market right next to it. I mean, how much garbage has to go on the ground before somebody does something about it? Well, I mean, we've started the discussion of... An ordinance. Of a possible ordinance or what that might look like or how we would go about doing that. Obviously an ordinance of that size would be done through town meeting days. So the process right now, and we've had to kind of not necessarily pause it, but we're working on some things behind the scenes, but we've got the FEMA stuff trying to get in front of it right now, is we're taking a look at some other communities that have done similar ordinances to see what the language might be. Of course, there's... It's a very slippery slope to open on an ordinance book because an ordinance could start out as being something that we all can benefit from, but it can be 10 doors box to adding ordinances on top of ordinances and what could start off as a... let's call it a trash ordinance, could turn into a cut your lawn after 12 inches ordinance, you know, because it just allows people to build on that over time. So our plan right now is a board anyways and is to complete the information and make a suggestion that will be worn for town meeting day that would be voted on. So that would allow everybody to vote on it and we'll put together its own ordinance. So that's kind of the process we're going right now. So it'll be... it's a carryover agenda item that we're going to work on between now and December before we have to have it done for January to put it and warn it. So you'll see town meeting day that that'll be one of the warnings that we will put out there will be a vote on an ordinance and what that ordinance may look like. So I do understand and there were... I don't know, three meetings ago maybe we started talking about it or two or three meetings ago and at that time we brought it up just because I had over 12 different instances of people pointing out different places that were just littered in trash or... Unfortunately, it doesn't qualify as a health nuisance. Do you know if it works or not? It doesn't qualify as a health nuisance. So we've been through the state of Vermont with it. I've called and talked to them directly. So it's not a... you know, even like, you know, Dylan's place that he got didn't qualify as a health nuisance by a health nuisance because it didn't affect a budding landowner, you know, basically. I mean, it should have. It's very... It's very... Yeah. You know, the responsibilities that we have as, say, a health officer and a local municipality is not much power at all. I mean, really, a health nuisance or a health order would be more of a... you know, someone ate at an establishment and got sick from eating something. You know, that's kind of where, you know, that might turn into something, but... You know, when it gets to the individual basises, it's very tricky to... What about environmental health? If you catch something leaching into, like, a water way, there are things like that. But again, you would think it would be open and shut, very easy, but then once you start looking through the books and the powers and talking to the state, your hands are tied for the majority of it, unfortunately. And, you know, being that I was, you know, luckily to be deputized as helping out that town health officer, it really, at the end of the day, it's kind of a powerless job. Really, what we do is go out and document complaints, and I will say that, you know, all the complaints I've documented, I haven't been able to do a single thing about any of them. All you can do is give information to the owners that are affected to, you know, seek alternative... You know, because there's always other behind-the-scenes things going on, you know, maybe a tenant and an owner dispute or something else. If somebody wants to buy that piece of property, you know, there's always something going on, but you can give information on how they can go about whatever, contacting the lawyer or contacting some other state, but they're very, you know, like trash being on people's houses and stuff. There's nothing we've gone down that road and, fortunately, there's not much we can do about it. So that's the only thing we could do as a town if we had ordinances, you know, we could hold people to an order. You know, then you could enforce it, which then you would have to have an enforcement officer that would enforce instances of that. But we don't have the power or the authority to do that. Well, what do you mean? How do you approach the town manager? Well, if they were serious, all the way up, I don't have the authority to do the town manager's work, they wouldn't do anything. I know in Randolph, one time, there was a person's house that was really bad in the area. And the neighbors did go over and ask if they could clean it out and the person didn't let them. I don't think so. I'm not that anybody wants to do that, but it might be a matter of not having the money to pay for it to go to the dump. It's really tricky, even if you have, you know, somebody living in those quarters, it's, you know, you get into like the order of the individuals, and it's not that dry that they can be, you know, removed or... No, no, they asked the person, can you think about it? The person said yes. It's a tricky one, so that's pretty much what we had come up with the board is not necessarily that we wanted to move forward with the ordinance, it was, that's an option, that's on the table that maybe we could see Ford doing something about it. There's multiple houses that have brought to our attention, so I don't know, but you're right, I did suggest that to someone, I said, you know, maybe you could help them out, maybe there's an issue there and they need some assistance, but... That hasn't been tried yet? I don't know, they didn't call back. So I don't know. I know it's really not, you guys, but I'll be right, it calls you, they want to make it something else's problem. But you're the one that's the most affected in the neighborhood. Did they go over and just say, what the heck, why is this happening? Yeah, can I help you? That's true. That's great, that's great. Right, absolutely. Before we chatted with the landlord, in this particular case that Joe cited, talk with the landlord, see if there's an influence there that we have. Anything else? Anybody? Not on the agenda and then we'll move forward. Okay, thank you for bringing up everything. I'm, you know, just to clarify that you'll be here to stop the threes. We'll take care of the next meeting. And then, Michelle and Lisa, you'll be followed up with tomorrow, correct? And we will continue to work on the information for possible ordinance to put into the town meeting day. To be voted upon by the taxpayers and then, you know, go from there. Alright. So we have our discussion with the road crew tonight. So we wanted to go through, really what we wanted to do was, you know, we got winter and summer maintenance, you know. We don't want to, you know, adopt any policies or we're not going to tell you how to do your job. I think what we were looking to do was just kind of an open session, you know. You guys with us, you know, us kind of putting forward what, you know, a budget end to things and kind of what we're looking or like to see and then really just kind of letting you guys take the law and figure out how to do this. You know, we did go through a pretty nasty winter as you all know. You know, it was probably one of the roughest ones that we've had in quite some time with the amount of snowfall and maintenance of roads. And, you know, some of the big things that came to light is just, you know, we hope that these winters are far in between but if they're not then we need to make sure that we're starting to put together a best practice to address our budgets and to make roads safe and pass it over. So, some of the backdrop on it is, you know, we overspent our winter maintenance by $130,000. Which is quite a bit of money in the town of this size. $130,000 if, you know, we weren't able to make up a lot of that in other areas this year so we weren't, you know, directly affected by $130,000. But $130,000 is is about six and a half cents on the tax rate. We kind of put it into perspective so that's a big chunk of money. So I guess some of the some of the ideas that we had kind of kicked around as a board and feel free anybody to chip in was you know, we had the main factors that kind of hit the bottom line this year was was material, you know, tougher winter or material, obviously the rate works. But you know, we keep hearing, you know, salt went up 15% last year. I've already heard it's going to take another jump this coming winter. So, and looking back on our policy, we do have, you know, our policy, you know, we don't have the Fair Roads policy in Bethel. I know we do or have done a really good job of kind of creating in some ways, you know, a pretty Fair Roads policy, but we don't have one. So I guess some of the comments from the board here is how can we, how can we ship some of the expensive material to some of the lower price material. So, you know, how much of the salt can we switch can we switch off the salt on the sand and kind of and how would you guys use the best practice to do that. So, we're not going to come here as a board and tell you, okay, well, we want that road of salt to do nothing to sand, that road of salt to do nothing to sand. But what we're saying is, you know, if we could take our salt budget cut in half and pick up more sand on the other end that's cheaper, you know, couldn't we put together a best practice of certain roads that we would use just sand and just salt. It's not saying that if Jason goes to get a load of, you know, sand and he's using it and says, geez, you know, we really need some salt. It doesn't mean that we can't use that just kind of, you know, I don't, myself if I was plowing the road and I got the option of salt sand, I'd be loading up salt every time, right? Easier to work with, you know, some of the other things that kind of come across is and we're seeing it with, you know, we've had a lot of equipment down that cost quite a bit of money on our equipment. Maintenance budget was, you know, you can see that now there's, you know, double almost what was wanted. So again, you know, some of that comes with a rougher winner than normal and others of it comes with, you know, are we using the right tools for the right job? And currently we have a truck that is down, you know, one ton truck that we're hoping to, you know, replace by, I guess, the question at this point is what do we replace it with, you know, I mean, you know, do we replace it with another one ton and do the same applications and only get three or four years out of it or do we vibrate your truck or, you know, or do we move one truck from this road while in this group, you know, take deal. So I guess what we're kind of looking for the public works personnel to do is really to kind of for us to kind of tell you what we'd like to see or where we'd like to get to as a goal and have you folks internally get together and start brainstorming on how can we do this, you know, what can we really do, what can't we do? If we are going to do this, what do we need to do the work with? You know, so those were kind of our, I think the biggest things on the winter kind of things. Anybody have anything winter-wise? We did get lucky this year, like I was saying with, you know, we, Teresa did an excellent job of collecting back taxes and penalties and interest from people that do absorb a lot of that, but, you know, we're doing a good job of eating through that, so there's going to be a time where we're not going to be collecting that. So I guess the question would be, if you went to look at it and you did a great, great job that you got on our roads. Maybe we look at scaling back the fact that this road is like interstate A9 all the time. I mean, it was great, but maybe we can't afford to have it look like that all the time. And I don't know how, you know, what percentage of where and where and whatever, but I just think we get a very good job of people and if they want to do that, they got to go over the poles and poles on it. But we don't. We're not going to get that. When we think about playing in, maybe there's, okay, this is plan A, which is like done with our ships and material now. Plan B may be, okay, we're still going to ship some material, and we're not going to file 20 hours a day. I don't know what was done with this, but just look at closer to the safe road, rather than basic barriers. You got to know that safe roads at a safe speed. Okay, our roads don't have to be ready for 50 mile an hour at all time. You know, when it's snowing, when it's the free, maybe you got to slow down a little bit. I think some of what the board is also hoping to do is, and thank you, Theresa and Alan, for putting that into language, because I think that gives us a backbone to then save the town, to back you guys. This is our policy. To just be all here and having this conversation gives any one of us the ability to back you guys when somebody does the thing. We're going through that process, and I think that we had, two years ago, there were a lot more complaints, and this winter was great. We made it to this, I would say it's superb, and above that average ends an hour, looking to find that balance, but not have the heat just fall on you guys constantly. So let him set that policy, and then have it written down so we can get back to work with him. So I think that's a lot of work. I think we'll publish here, and we started it with the document. Great. And we hope to, we've been kind of talking about wanting to finalize something by the end of July, 1st of August at the latest, just so that we have enough time to get that information out to the public of, this is what you can expect to see this winter. This is the type of maintenance that will be going on, so that they can prepare for it. And then like, you know, again, just like the state of the law, we don't have a bureau of policy, but yet, we put a lot of work and effort into making it in the bureau. And the state of the law was $8 million over there for your budget. We were $130 over ours, so I mean, a lot of money for us, and a lot of money for the state of the law. So, you guys, now I want you guys to all write this, Morgan gave me some comments and so I wonder if she gave it back to you guys and maybe you could, there was obviously some spaces in there, so some stuff that needs to be fine-tuned and we can certainly get together and refine tuna. And again, it's just guidelines, because you all, you know, need to be able to have the freedom to do a job. And this was just, I took the state of the law and sent them, like, winters maybe, and I hope for something. So, Morgan gave me some comments on his that he read and did his, so I'll make those edits and get it back to you, and then I know that was something that now we can mention that it would be nice to have something like that for people to see, um, so that we could refer to that like at the office and that sort of thing. Well, the other part of it, too, is the equipment side. What we need to do to get you guys the tools that we need to do the job right or we got, you know, we gave you put together these sheets for us with all the needs of the existing equipment, but then we also need to decide what piece we're going to try to replace that one time, and probably similar rather than later, depending on how long it's going to take to get it outfitted and all the things that have to go along with that. Yeah, that was the thing that you can see that Alan, you know, had done and to kind of let you know. Obviously, one of the concerns right now is the fact that they have a vehicle that they're not able to drive, and so, you know, it's not part of any of their job descriptions that they need to provide a vehicle to go look at the roads with, and so that wasn't, you know, for years, and so there's certainly a discussion that we had about that, you know, about whether you need two vehicles. Do you need a vehicle to do whatever the capacity of whatever route that is going to do, which could be maybe bigger than what they have now, or, you know, I don't know what that vehicle is. Then you also need a smaller vehicle that is for you for training and for checking the roads, and maybe they can put chainsaws or that they can, if somebody gets called in, let's say JJ gets called in and he has to go, you know, from trees, he can go to the town garage, park his vehicle, pick up his equipped, you know, something else, town vehicle, and then, you know, go and do that. Have you guys given that any sort of thought? Yeah, so... I mean, it was one that Greg had, you know, shown us at the last sidewalk board, and he just said that's a suggestion, you know, for the vehicle. Right, and I think this, that was an echo, right? That wasn't the vehicle that was at the, no, this is something else, like a smaller vehicle that you know was abused, picked up, right? Something like a Morgan has, you know, been doing around the town, or even smaller than just, you know, something you could just... Yeah, yeah, something just for a while, and so on. And is that something that would be nice for you guys to have to, if you're coming in to check the roads, on your own vehicle, or, I mean, trainings or whatever, I know there's a comment about that, because they're obviously having a vehicle that's parked right now. Is there any trading value on the $5,500? The first? Greg was looking into it, a year ago, I believe it was $45,000. Is that what the crowd thought? And this year, we just had a quote done that members did see that, what they called back. I didn't see that either. You didn't get that estimate back so we could call someone and follow up. And I think we'll kind of shut that down in a statement for the trade and for the commercial size vehicle. They don't have it over at every, so kind of get a shovel back with a G-stone, okay, I didn't know where that ended up. Can you sell it at $5,500? $550,000, right? Is there anything you want to buy? You can't expect it. You could just, yeah, you could sell it, just dispose of it wrongly. I mean, I suppose you could do the same thing if they were going to trade it for something else, but it wouldn't be nice to know what the trade value is if you could call, so it's not, G-stone, so could they come and look at it? So you can follow up and find out what the trade value is. It would be nice to know what the trade value is, yeah? Well, I think, you know, on the equipment and the things, we got to, I think we obviously understand that, you know, once we figure out our winter payment schedule for this coming year, even though we don't want it, we're probably going to have to be in a position of purchasing a piece of equipment. At the same time, we have to be careful because we're going to need something in the meantime to do work with. And we're already, we're already about a year ahead of our schedule of purchasing vehicles right now. So we, last year, we bought the new setup that Morgan has. So we kind of took the whole graph and moved it one year. So everything has been moving one year already and now we're going to be looking at taking care of another vehicle for what I understand. A year earlier than with budget. Budget or not, we'll just kind of do that. So we've got to be careful on, you know, until we figure out what that piece of equipment is that we need, you know, if that's a full-size truck or one-ton truck or whatever size truck it is that we need, we'll have to be careful to pick up that we get in the interim to do these, you know, is it better to just go get ourselves a good workable used full-wheel-drive pickup that we can use. In the meantime, that does job until we are able to purchase, you know, another vehicle here towards the end of the year. I mean, I don't think we're going to be able to purchase two new vehicles, you know. No, and I think they certainly, you know, Alan certainly said, you know, a small pickup is certainly going to be used, but, so just for some clarification, because I'm not sure, because I need some. So, if I sit down in the road crew and we hash out these winter guidelines, with that, you want to see this hashed out with their group recommendation as to what vehicle to replace. I mean, not that we're going to hold you to, you know, again, this isn't a policy. It's an amazing plan, schedule, whatever you want to call it. It kind of allows you guys to understand, you know, the nice routes that you have and what you're going to try to accomplish on them and the pieces of equipment needed to do that work within our means, you know, I mean, we obviously know that there is one vehicle we're going to have to replace. The only thing is at this point we don't really exactly know what size it is. So, I think to buy an undersized truck and then know that we need to buy a larger one, you know. And we also know we're in a real tight squeeze here because we're not going to order something tomorrow and then have it turned right around before hopefully, of course, snow flies. So, if for the next select board meeting, for the next two weeks, we can get together, hash out the guidelines and get you a group recommendation on what to purchase. We could make that an actionable item for next time. I think we definitely can have it as a discussion point and see if that, you know, all of our dumps in a row. We're almost too late. This snow season, we're going to bring the truck. But, well, and that's right, I think, for example. So, if they're already running out of time we can certainly hash out, I don't have a problem doing this, hash in the south, you know, Alan wants it, I'm happy to do that. I just want to make sure that we need to do something because we have one vehicle that can't be operating. We obviously need to do something to figure out how we're going to get to the winter. So, I guess what I'm trying to do is to try to keep this a little bit more momentum. Yes, because it needs to be, they need an answer. Have you guys taken a ride of the Stockridge and looked at their truck? I'm sorry? Are you looking at Stockridge's small truck? It's not Stockridge, no. I drove by it today and I stopped and looked at it just because it's like Dumpstruck all the way. All the running gears are like Dumpstruck and then shrink it three feet. I saw that person and there's actually a bell date. I was to see what the date was tomorrow. I told them February 4th would be actually... Yeah, I was going to say if you don't have an order like in the 1st of March. Yeah, that's what we saw. Although, the one that I did find found four people at International. International has two show trucks that are already built and they're kind of awkward. I'm sorry? Dumpstruck. I have no problem with stats. So I think I guess what I'm looking for is kind of two problems. One would be for the Public Works Department to to give us a maintenance document of how we plan on doing our maintenance of the routes and what is our equipment that we need to do that within reason and how can we conserve material? You know, the salt versus the sand and then and then and then the Department to work with Therese on the budget and the things on how can we what would be a proposal that could bring forward the board on you know trading in both the one time getting a temporary truck and then this is the size that we will need and this is the time frame of which we can get a type deal. I think that would be helpful and Therese can kind of give us some background on this is how we'll line up in our equipment program or equipment fund and you know what that will look like on because obviously if we purchase something something else is going to have to get pushed back. Yeah, we'll have to. Does that mean that we have to push back to greater every year or how does that work or the replacement schedule of other pieces? Well also how does it tie in with these items some of these are items that need to be addressed so that's a whole budget on the outside. And I think if you're going to plan if you would write some chance plan on two vehicles parking something outside we don't like parking I don't like parking stuff outside we're already parking something outside so if you get two vehicles instead of one now you've got two pieces of parking outside so think about that how you can make that unless you trade more. If you trade more than two you already got one vehicle outside if you get another one and another truck that's two so now you've got two pieces outside so I would be concerned about it if there's a way to figure that out so we can be able to go outside. I have a suggestion which probably I don't want to shoot you across the room but you know how there's traffic cans on the interstate and you can look and see if you want to drive on the road or not I was wondering if there could be I don't know how complex this would be but they could say can't work with cloud from here to here at this time there could be an update so that somebody could go on the town website and see but the schedule wasn't when it was clouded and when it might get clouded again and that it was solved at this time so the next time it's clouded it could stand something exactly what you're looking for but with this maintenance schedule the idea behind it is is to establish our our cloud roots and they know that they start from here and end here and that group might take them I don't know, just throw it out there four hours of cloud from here to there and then we're going to talk about the material in which we're going to use one thing that probably would come out of this is where camp work gets salted all the way up through it might not get salted all the way up through it might get sanded all the way up through and then in certain instances where we need salt because it's freezing rain or something then we can put salt on something so those are the things and then we're going to get that information to the public so we can say if you're on whatever, we'll call it whatever group the cloud is usually over a course of eight hours and it will be sanded so that we want to be able to get the taxpayers some time to get ready for the winter cut and the only reason why I say that is years ago my family lived on a back road and I can tell you that we had we had not only snow tires but they were studded you know and that was back in the days where dad had a rear wheel driven vehicle we used to put the kitty litter in the trunk pull nine yards of traction and it just seems like nowadays you have somebody that lives way up out of the way they don't even have four wheel drive they have just an average tire with all season tires on it and they expect that that room is going to be clouded perfectly so they can get out you know some of the reasons of living off the grid a little bit is that you got to have four wheel drive or all wheel drive you want you got to have winter tires so and what's happening right now is we're on the town's end of things is we are taking that responsibility of getting it to a bare road and it's costing us a lot of money you know a substantial amount of money especially if you go to a winter like we just had now let's hope that winter is only every ten years but we have another one next year we're not there for that so so the idea behind it is once we get this figured out I know we've been using Facebook a lot more to try to give updates on when something might be graded or when we need cars moved to do a snowmobile in the downtown so I think what we're going to be looking to do is probably post something on the website showing these will be the maintenance routes yeah and you know fair warning people that that's what's going to happen and that's why we want to do it by the end of July so that you know it gives you four months to get ready and then it'll be teaching process so we'll see how the weather goes make some adjustments to that and go from there so yes so I just have a suggestion while you're planning all that taking into account that if you're going to do a road some of those roads have hills on them and some of those hills are very very steep and so you need to be able to pay to know that people need to work and they need to get out I slid down my hill sideways last winter scared to crap out of it and I said if I'm going off into a tree or something I need a bigger vehicle I've studded snow tires four studded snow tires and so I just just take into account that the roads that you're going to do you've got to remember that some of us take you to that stuff but we live on a hill that's pretty steep and and the flat is the flat and you can get away but I can't get down, I usually at home can't always get down I just want to take it into account I mean things have changed a lot I mean I remember riding the school bus to the school and actually helping the school bus driver put the chains on the bus and now they have auto chains and they don't even use them they can just flick a switch and put the chains on yeah but it was an old car we're trying to I just want to go and work in the morning and come home at night it came on my phone I couldn't even sign up for I'll just send me a dick for a dick so are we on the right track with this? do you have negative feedback? are we in the right ballpark with this? I think so maybe in some cases you might put a little too much detail into it this is not this is not something that once Alan has this and I go out and say Alan you said you were not putting salt on this road what are you doing? this is just let's say Alan's sick for a week everybody picks up and they know exactly what sand we use sand first and then we use salt if we need it or we use salt in this area and these are our recommended plow schedules on times this is what's going to trigger us to walk there and do it and then how can you better utilize their equipment so that we don't have as many breakdowns and what is that for the flight how does that work into our budget and then we'll have to make the decisions on what we can purchase when and we'll do it so because it makes it easier if we have something then if we get any comments from the taxpayers then Therese can say the reason why your road has been clouded is because it takes four hours to do it and it's on an hour two and a half and it looks like you'll probably be there in an hour something like that or as stated in the meeting we're no longer solving what we need to sand you there that kind of stuff so since the whole department is here is there anything that you guys want to talk to the board about or are they all here so maybe they have some considerations and concerns I don't really know it's not one concern it's the vehicle and the weather and that has got to do with this it's a little doubt about it the longer we take the steps of the matter the longer we'll go about it so that has got to be good I would say it's not before the snowfall because if you're looking for this there are some companies out here that have these show vehicle but then it gets already prepared and everything else but when I talked to one of the guys from the international one of their attendants he said right now he's got two to three towns so if he's got it one time or he's returning to the board somebody else has said he's got to be able to so we gotta make sure that those vehicles present that one time if we present from four stars somebody else I agree so we'll have to we'll look at our schedules for about next week and we'll pick a time that works for you guys and we'll get together and if we have a good start on this then we can make any changes to this and go through this and talk about routes and whether or not if you all are making the decision together do you need to change your route and get this vehicle and this and that you know what you do with so but we can do that because I agree we need to come back on the next agenda you're right there's really one time to use all that money that's printed in get it down on it get it on that one time or get it on that particular vehicle right now and stuff like that it's an inconvenient but we still got to make trust with the community to make the use they can seal it on the road there's some place that's really tight we might slide off but there's other areas too where we can't put down this large vehicle or these roads so it sounds like we definitely need to get together and get this to make for you guys to come to consensus and make a group of recommendation about what you think is the best piece of equipment and put it on the next agenda which is July 8th so we'll definitely do it we'll be doing it by the amount of hours these guys are putting down some of the storms there's no way that one of those guys can take on that fourth round you might even be without a truck there's three trucks we used to do a little three big truck government members we used to do and if you felt like it would have to be done it would have to be done well let's focus on trying to get a work out of schedule that works for you guys I'll make my schedule work two years and we'll get through this and we'll get it through on the July 8th you're making a group of recommendation on the next vehicle so please just put the wing cloud all the equipment you have on that truck on the new truck if we get to whip the wing it would be a lot easier and make the road begin a little bit more under the weight still just putting it on the side of the road and getting it off the road would make it a little bit more convenient but if you bought another F550 would all that stuff be transferable to the new truck the way you got to do it for this right now a lot of it needs to be upgraded so your sanding units and plow would all be I mean we were looking at and that's kind of the reason we had been wanting to have this conversation a little bit of time so but you know right now to replace that vehicle the way it is it was like $118,000 so what the board had talked about last time is we don't want to just go out and replace $118,000 piece of equipment not knowing exactly how that fits into what we're doing because we do know that that piece of equipment in the past has been undersized and maybe some of the reasons why it isn't the condition it is and because of the type of maintenance of work it was doing so we don't want to get in that situation together where a vehicle maybe that shouldn't make it five years is only three or four so we want to make sure in this case that you all figure out the maintenance schedule and what is the right tool to do the job within reason three is how we can move forward with that and then we will build our budget around that so and then obviously we want to continue to have the discussions on it every once in a while and you all back in or just Allen or whoever and then as things go making improvements obviously to it as we get feedback and then the goal would be looks like we won't have a place this year but the goal is between Allen and Winner is to come up with the same type of plan but for the spring-summer call maintenance so maybe the roots for grading and when things get done because if we can put that out there in the public it answers a lot of questions that we get on when is my road getting plowed or graded not tight deals so we can kind of get out in front of those a little bit and I appreciate you guys all hard work you know we are playing catch up and we probably will play catch up all summer because we're behind from Winner and not only behind on Winner because of breakdowns and things like that but then we had the flood event that just kind of really was behind so I appreciate all your hard work and work with Theresa to get us that proposal and if Theresa you can give it to us as early as you can then we can have a lot more eyes on it and hopefully be ready to act on it and act on it or whatever of the next board meeting that sounds good one thing about Winner Road I think the camp road should be marked so this track is forever with mountains today how many times we've gotten caught because the track is forever stuck upon the middle of the top of the mountain where maybe the sign at the bottom of the road I think there is one on the rocket but they get on it on that mountain because it's icy the good news is we'll be closed all when our budgets are closing they're not going to be up for like a year so what we're trying to get like Google Maps so it stops and it gets you to work on it who you talk to to get that done they're still using it though I know the sign is not working trucks are still going up there and then 20 minutes later you can see it coming back down I know and I actually spoke to Bruce and we were talking about it so we're hoping is by it being closed for that there's time it definitely breaks people up and they did have a sign I guess their sign package was they could have got one of those big electronic signs but they chose not to rent one so I'm not sure now but I don't think it should be up there either why don't we put the closed sign on the road and let the cars going up the mountain go around I mean I know you're thinking maybe an accident but it would slow people down but the first three months of the flood the first couple months we had the road closed on the side of the road on the opposite side of the road so the traffic coming down the road it should have been able to close freely had to come over and deliver where the closed sign should have been I'll ask Bruce Bump because we're going to be doing that work because it's the Federal Highway but we were actually I met with him today and talked a little bit about that and he was the one who told me that it's going to be closed for a year through then so I thought well it's good for us because absolutely our migration you don't want to go over there but I'll talk to Bruce about some additional signage I have a sign that we haven't got yet it's full of shit right now but it actually states extremely icy conditions next six miles which covers our end to the top of the dam and it's got two orange flags that'll be posted on it also but I'm hoping that that'll cut down a lot of vehicles without proper tires and a lot of call outs and we can, you know, maybe Therese means she's been in contact with the district daily right now maybe you can maybe you can just touch base with them and see if what authority we may or may not have on, you know, if we wanted to post that road and say no trucks you know is this posted for 24-plus? No, but I, you know what could we do with that right now because I don't know what the funding schedule is you know, with having something you know it could be that it is a grant through road you know, can we do that or we can do that with these our funding Yeah, I think that's right but I'll reach out to Chris both and find out what we can do and we can post them for no trucks out of view I think that makes total sense and then again it's going to be close I'm actually hoping that somehow the power of me that managed Google can almost stop putting people through there and then we try, you know, going through some state agency that we had contact with we try to get it and then he's a lot way I mean, I've come down over the mountain come work and met trucks in the middle of the mountain where the mountain's not going back and they maintain that and I'm not flying down it but they can't make it up the mountain Yeah Well, if you laugh, in my face when I mention that I did, I tried to get Chris to take you back They used to be there Well, they've been trying to get trucks not to travel up the Notch Road I'm going to wait for years and that doesn't ever work You hear once a week every other week a truck they've got stuff up there trying to throw it and those have big flashing lights and say, don't go On a ratchet, it's starting to hit a thumb there Yeah That's what I'm trying What I was told was the thing that we spend a little bit of time on it means we we're catching up with that right now Again, it's a weird thing because that road specifically has different funding sources than other roads that we have In this whole thing that we're doing right now all the ground roads are under the FEMA and Camp Brook itself is under Federal Highway and State which for us was good because they're going to pick up 100% of that road Where the FEMA sections we have to do our 85 or 90% split Of course, when you accept funding like that comes with strengths too So we'll find out what we can or can't do and see if there's anything better we can do through the wintertime up there Will that timing allow for some sort of blinking sign if there's information? That would be something NASA has four-wheel drive or change limitations on certain roads like that in storms Maybe at certain times of the year we can close the trucks or something Of course, the other thing is is then you get in force The trucks that I've seen they're stuck there at summer tires on they've got tendency plates or something They just maybe if they had a little information But the challenge is I've been very fond of the extreme ice conditions I think if people stopped putting them all to the top they could actually put them around like detour them If that happened, I think you can see huge slowdown If they're Google Maps put them around And I'm hoping that by being closed we could close that link Close it long enough when the Google vehicle comes around That's what I'm saying I'm going to speed limit I'm going to speed limit it when you first get on a vehicle to a road That's it I'm going to speed limit it Thanks, I guess I'll touch base with you guys and we'll make a plan for you can have the vehicle together and get this going Talk to you tomorrow Are we good? Thank you all for coming in I'd like to thank you guys The storm that hit in April We were marooned and you guys had us out like half a day I don't know how often you guys get out on the back That was serious Great committee So you're sitting in the far back So we had talked and I want to say the last time you guys were here was either late March or early April We had that time At that time we were talking about the phasing of work and the skate park was specific and correct me if I'm wrong but we were talking about how kind of the end of May was going to be kind of your viewer guide you were looking for one of the grand to see if you could put this phasing of the skate park in or if it wasn't going to work then we were going to go with Plan B and move in a different direction and shelf that for a period of time and then we would check back on June and see where you're at So you guys are here tonight so maybe just update us on what's been going on in regards to the phasing if that's the skate park or something else and what that might look like and what maybe the time frame looks like right now So I've been working a little bit with a contractor named Michael Parker he built three skate parks and he's the only one who's going to be close to our price window but everyone else will be probably one and a half to two times the square foot price he's Vermont he knows what he's doing if you read it from the 11th park quality work so we're working with him right now he's got this in the end he's hoping to get estimates to me by tonight not yet but the swag estimate that he threw at me was he could do one of these to maybe for the funding that we have available to the in kind going with that partner as far as the build goes he's not available until mid-October and that might be too late for a four if we get to know where but what he did suggest you know we're going to use up our Tony Hawk Foundation grant as we use this year we could use some site prep we could put a foot of crushed stone down on the area that we'll be working with and maybe start some of the terrain modeling you've had very specific recommendations for the materials but we we do that tail end of this summer and then once it's warm enough to pour on next spring he could he could start it on that so the intent if none of our funding changed and he could pull off one of these two we would pour one of these two next spring in 2020 and then if we could raise some additional funds we might do another pour the following spring so you said the Tony Hawk grant has to be used up when? I believe it's this year right? I wouldn't share if we bought a pile of crushed stone that could chew that up Shane do you know the final number does anybody know the final number there was a lot of confusion for a period of time Ballpark 65 including the Union a lot of 50 and then 5 from Tony Hawk and then somewhere around 10 coming to work for equipment and operators Ballpark we put in some skirt drain if we needed it on the uphill side the ridge side if you recommend a three gauge crushed ledge for the terrain it would be like staying mad or shooting back it still rains well it's very formable it still has some drainage quality to it and then it would be 4 inches of concrete with rebar for any flat surfaces probably 6 inches for any of the trimming features within the spring part real quick question for me folks are we a part of the Vermont league of cities yes Michael Parker they have a max height bigger than New York City we're part of that membership if you consider 7 feet I'll be doing a little redesign so that our quarter bike doesn't exceed that but it was a chance to exceed it that way that's holding the turnaround to get speed for the famous office so there's a bunch of ways to get speed stop at 7 feet Shane we could also give you I know Wayne Masseur was there today looking at doing this inspection we could certainly give you what you called the office or email Kelly or myself we could give you his contact information at the OC team to find out if there's any other copy of this we're doing a redesign we don't want to have to you could contact myself or Kelly Masseur M-A-S-U-R-E at the L-C-T you may find it right on their website Shane but if not, certainly call the office myself or Kelly you could give you his contact information might help you then if there's one copy of that maybe two so certainly we would be surprised if that one yeah so I just wanted to where we could go for it I just wanted to make sure I had this right so you would do one of the two stages this year complete so it's like yes for this fall and then in spring of 2020 we would do 34 which is hopefully half of one of the two pieces so he's saying there's no contract until this year and then when would you plan on so based on that what would you foresee using the in-kind portion of it we would use some of it in the summer the talent of this year because I don't think Michael would really need to be on site for the site of that if we had enough tees crossed he could make enough specifications that almost any contract could comply with hey this is the intent this is how we this is what materials should be going into this that you guys would use this way so I think it could be done just a little bit more I assume in all of this because you're pointing out the right committee that you're attached to that about the conversation but we'll look at what they've got going on these wouldn't be on our committee as long as that's all away from the whole season's close and that's what we're going to need to be able to have the equipment with kids in the pool so Shane do you have anything to add to that do you have anything that would show where this lands in the whole the whole the plan the site plan which I didn't bring copy of today but it is on the town so on 12 the entry to the pool area it would be on the back right corner of the property with an up off set I think we would require 50 foot setback from the property line on the other side do you have to go back to the DRV with a redesign or any of that did you go to the DRV the only time we have to go to them we've been approved for 5,000 square feet with proper setback and a couple we have a couple stipulations which we can meet just because we're doing a smaller portion that doesn't require visiting them however it is a one year permit to do this so we have to revisit them the next fall whenever one expires and we get it to form into that ahead of time so that it would be as if our form was a continuous two possibly three year rolling permit and they didn't off the cuff they didn't see any reason why they would rescind the permission that they would have given in the previous year and that the DRV included the 10th floor and the National Bunker that we did this year but we try to say hey 24 years since people can use that as they did before we put the permit to work for quite a long time we put in the basketball court of space in the middle I understand 24 years since people can utilize that so being that the state prior to VA you know let's say at least the two season phasing what obviously we have more money in the committee fund than what is allowed on the state part what what is your anticipated maybe start for some of the other activities there like the tennis court basketball court pieces have you had much discussion on that we had changes to some agreement so if the local Michael comes back and says I can't do this for less than 85 you know we're already kind of out of the game we'd be bumping this to the following year we'd have to raise funds in order to just even proceed with the first half and if we were trying to make something available to the town for that site you know we ping pong the idea of a basketball court I think the basketball court was going to happen before tennis or necessarily we need to do the first thing is we need to figure out about the top lines and the electrical lines whatever and give them maybe that I just didn't know if maybe there was an opportunity well there might be either phase one or phase two escape park with parkour or somebody else or whatever that is that's doing the work maybe there's an opportunity to take advantage of equipment being there and already paying for them to start the basketball court, the tennis court whatever that phase again we still need to look into really hands on about where to remove the top lines because the other part of the plan is in the top lines electrical lines you know those need to be they need to be they need to be adopted in good enough way change are you ready to look into that engineering I think we're going to have an engineering performance in the estimate how much would it cost to remove the lines would they have to move to north of the state practice no, it's for the basketball court and the tennis court they have to be really you have to stand for somebody in order to do that section of the plan basketball court and the tennis court they have to be changed wow that could be a lengthy process it could be expensive but it could also be lengthy for everything that may be one thing to start working it seems like it's far out but the way the utilities work that's what we need to do in that all you need to do is call if you call for your mountain power they have someone who specializes in that certainly in this area and I know the casting of drafts in your absent county if you can call them and they will call GMP they'll send someone out there for you and they are more than happy to give you an estimate we're active for information I'm moving in I have a strong feeling that's probably predictive for you for sure I've seen that it's expensive but certainly give GMP a call and tell them what you're looking for and they will send somebody out to be there and provide you with it well you never know find out the estimate and you can call a one-page national donation it would be surprising are you going to be funding for that? we can use any and all for these needs for any number of years yes who would I talk to about that? you guys? I need to work with anyone we'll talk to Ellie though if you have some funding ideas absolutely please how would you relate? nice to go back to the GMP every year so you can do that can you point out there's a million miles of time on the other side so so when will you know exactly the pricing for the basis? so I'll hear a message and then I'll stay with Emily and then he'll try my miss pencil and I'll try my layout so that it's great more simplified at PV instead of the really tall stuff like your 10 foot quarters that'll be a hardest piece to find the two lifts and do them into little detail and what will be involved equipment-wise so it's actually down to the 7 footer that's not vertical that greatly simplifies this job and reduces the cost significantly that could be like 5 or 10 in grand potentially by not having something that high well if you have any trouble you can call and ask Kelly or myself certainly and we can focus the gathering and once you get your estimate everything done changed just Kelly or you can let Kelly or I know and we can put you on an upcoming agenda for sure any other questions, concerns? I know it's been an open-down process for you guys but thank you for not letting people leave this town and sort of thought we had that one in New York and that got a whole significant down to two different numbers and the square well thankfully the square finish was one of the sort of that years have you ever spanked out these areas so that people could actually build people? we did last summer and people got really really nervous about the tennis courts the tennis courts were going to be in the back right corner and we were going to put the skatepark above that for the original master plan and everyone totally got like and yes that's true it was an improved plan and we were just trying to stick with what had been done prior so after we did that we were like okay you know we're going to build it on board and see if we can fit the tennis court anywhere else and she worked it where the sun came from and said yeah we could build it with the tennis court so that was that was actually kind of helpful and being that the the phasing is probably going to go two seasons more is there an opportunity to look at some of the grants for getting back in the green grants like the one that I'm not safe we'll be actively throwing in because they got this on you can't take another bite of the alfamines next year so there's some opportunity maybe because the more once we have a footprint and a cost that's inside the budget once we start building that if we could pick up a green you know that could offset costs on that that would give us more money to use for basketball or tennis or whatever we actually got a grant for the tennis court so not here but in other towns so I think when you move into other veins you might find that there's other money out there but I certainly think I think you've got a significant grant for tennis I can't think of a big like national tennis outfit that might not be built for so maybe we're going to get you to tell us more about we have actually about four other ways that the range of factor so we'll have that information great so I do know that on Saturday we did the woodchips under the and we filled in under quite a structure and did all the woodchips there and as we were doing that two men came over to the recreation center looking to play tennis we have a tennis court there and they were lying in shock it's a dirt court and it came out great you guys did a wonderful job I know Wade was there today expecting all of you about the monkey bars we may not have a tennis court yet but we do have one of the only working pools so that's going to we have a practice and I did see really good training because I don't think we have to open their pool again I haven't heard them they were hoping together yeah a lot of people were very comfortable I heard they said because you were there so you guys will get with Theresa and make another point of window when you have everything all set to go and then get the board to look through it work to start CC these two phases they got right up against each other whichever one were hoped to do it was just going to a natural spot and then the phase two above right against it there might be one seam down in the middle but it's a very thoroughly planned seam that shouldn't be too offensive anybody from the board have any clue about that alright thank you I'll just wait because I have a little behind me oh that's alright that was good it was like it was in the ER so I was glad to relate so thank you very much thank you alright so we have getting into the court's motions and ordinances the first item on is the conflict of interest policy that we need in order for federal funding this is specifically for federal money so you have a conflict of interest policy this does not do anything to do with this in conflict of interest this is a separate one that's required for federal money in order to adhere to the federal regulation that's why that's why I was doing a grant for the fire department and that was one there and that was something that came out and you've submitted and approved and we're ready to go right and yeah I spoke to the lady and then there was some sections that she recommended you know CFR so once I went through and I sent them so I gave you the letter that they were okay with it I realized now that your copy only says draft so if you're good with it and if you're more proven it would proving it tonight would be helpful and as if you guys could just come in on your own by Friday and sign it we can print you out but I apologize that was mine I didn't realize so just now I flipped it over I was like oh oh you're successful you can sign it in a year it's okay mine says draft so unless you have any changes I just wanted you to see that I had drafted it in the Bay of the Sea but it's up to this but yeah, can we have all this please good mine didn't sell that's great okay so I would entertain a motion that we have signed into effect the conflict of interest policy for federal funding and a motion for federal money because they already have a conflict of interest policy specifically for federal money okay no one favorite alright thank you alright sign this one thank you that front page that you gave us this just you broke down into the items and what we were looking at oh yeah because that conflict of interest would have been confusing I saw when I saw it on the agenda was you had that already your explanation made it all clear well that's good thank you for putting that together that was really helpful well I used to do it for another town and that's what I always do is do something to go with the agenda so especially if someone at home was reading they might wonder if they could make a why or if you didn't know when something that came up on the agenda like that could give you an answer well I'm glad you like it well keep doing it a lot of work out so the tax rate lower than we had predicted on the town report and that was mainly due to the a little more of an increase in the grand list than anticipated so the grand list how things are done in the state of Vermont if it's either at the education level or at the municipal level even though you approve a budget with what you think is the tax rate it can change because you still don't have your official grand list on the town's end and at the school's end the state hasn't even officially figured out what they're going to charge the towns for the year so it's always kind of a trying to catch that ball type thing so what was good this year anyways was that our grand list was there was grand list is higher than being anticipated that really states growing but it's it was higher than being anticipated so that helped because there was some fear that we had changes to the grand list due to flood activity of properties and things like that so the municipal tax rate that we are looking at is 1.0257 that's for them instead so we don't normally we do the town for we don't publish in there the local agreement rate but do you all know what the local agreement rate is? so the local agreement rate is when you passed at your town meeting that you were going to give all final veterans $40,000 reduction in the value of their property when you vote every five years or two maybe the range you are still on the hub for the school tax so that's what makes up your local agreement rate it's the range because that's a vote and it's your veterans' exemption so that's where that comes in and because that's you normally know what that is when it's going to be a town meeting so that's something that we don't normally publish because in the town court so that's a little bit different that's what changes the tax rate so the 1.0217 was good it's what throws it off a little bit is the local agreement rate and that's what makes that up but all their wisdom has changed so when you see your tax bill this year it's going to be new it's going to be your homestead and non-homestead instead of non-residential and instead of the municipality being on top and the school being on the bottom and your tax rate they're going to be side by side now so there's a couple clarifications that the legislators decided to make possibly so which is fine we don't have problems with that so the reason that last year I think it was about July 8th maybe by the time we got the letter saying what the school rate is and of course we published that but we have no state sets the school tax rate once you pass the budget for us because the law is clear you have to mail the tax bills at least 30 days prior to due date and then due August 15th so it felt like we could get the tax rate or we order our tax bills for Easter and they should be here we want to get them out and mailed plenty of time for people to have it would be nice to be able to do more than 30 days but see what their bill is but that's the premise what's attached to this is also a copy of the 411 and it changes it's a moving target because every time that someone files their homestead it changes that ratio of where you look at the top it says homestead education or non-residential education it changes that a little bit so it's kind of a moving target changes throughout the year but when you say the tax rate now it's based on this and obviously as those changes come during the year you know we owe the school tax changes we owe the school for school tax changes a little bit but so the only question I have is the CLA and COD briefs that's the last one I have I don't have newer ones I was just wondering because I know when we re-voted on the school some of the big differences between us and Roy was the common level appraisal so I wondered because I think the number they had is higher in their schools the CLA and this is just a sheet I made on the post in the office that's the last CLA I have I live with my older so if there's a newer one I actually didn't see it on the website I went to the state education to find the CLA for 2019 and the COD COD was COD coefficient of dispersion from the state so the CLA is basically I think they take your last three years of sales and try to figure whether or not so they're basically saying I understand CLA yeah and the coefficient of dispersion I actually had to re-read again I can't give you a I would need to look at the thing to remind myself what it is I can't remember but I know it all comes on the same form it gives you your CLA I don't remember what it is it's nothing that the town uses so it's nothing that we use in our calculations I'm not sure if the school does or if you've never been on a school board so you guys just use the CLA as well and the trouble with that is the fact that the only people who can reject or ask for changes is the select board you know it affects the school only the select board is the only help the only organization that can say we don't agree with you right and if you have the ability to challenge what's in the sales study they start and will say if they don't feel that's an Irish language transaction and you're selling your property to your child they might not want that included in the sales study so the listeners can battle that out but you have to Google coefficient dispersion because right now I'm drawing a complete line on that date and I should talk about that at one point selling it out is my report but so I do know the listeners sometimes quite a battle between the listeners and the state certainly is spelling out what is you know what's included in the sales study and you don't want to get to a certain number your CLA the state will force you into a reasonable which is why these are just saving for a reasonable so did you find an idea it's basically it's a way of leveling so the ideal would be zero is your COD and zero would be that all of your properties sell at exactly what their equates that obviously doesn't happen so this is the coefficient that levels that so that you can calculate something across the board so it basically takes all of the sales across the board what their difference in their appraisal is and averages it and then that's your coefficient so we're supposed to see a way that we're high my basic definition is very good so basically it goes to see a way that we're high a little bit right now which you get if you aim to go down you've got to have your property done you've got to meet with your families at levels and it's interesting too you know you have a certain town where it's low and then it's because you start having some properties like if your village all of a sudden everybody wants to live in the village and people start paying three times what the house appraises that then all of a sudden you know that will throw them and so I'll kill them but I've done so that's what it is that's actually I think that's I'm actually happy because it's a solid road and it means that our has been for the town for us right on the line so I'm entertaining a motion to set the tax rates for 2019-2020 with the homestead tax rate of 1.0257 and the non-residential tax rate it's the same do you want to say that no it's non-homestead but it's the same non-homestead tax rate of 1.0257 it's still the municipal tax rate it'll change when you add the school tax to it that's what will generally the homestead rate is higher for the state so are you all in favor can we reject it have it 50 cents more this is kind of a step so she uses it in terms of that part that was you have one property that was Mr. Sargent and because there was a change in the background the way that the state if you have two contiguous parcels if you own contiguous parcels you're supposed to get one tax bill that's if they're due to the same in his case two separate tax bills one for maybe the trailer part and one not he went to the state appraiser and one of the things that the state wanted was him to receive one tax bill and what happened was when the state appraiser came to that conclusion he had taken into consideration that he was in current use so it's kind of there may be we may have put a change in that we were going to have a pilot a plot segment or something so he was just going to note that basically the decision's out there and she doesn't know how it's going to come to fruition so I told him you know he's going to say this so that's it any further discussion on the tax rate and local emergency management plan which is to re-adopt so there was some minor changes to the LAMP and Kelly made those changes she also had fire chief David Altergetti come down and made sure that that was that he was good with the changes basically it was some road brake put me in a ten-term moved Mark Ohio at Oscar changed me over to popular Google and so your LAMP is um has to be signed every year in May and sent to the sent to two rivers sent to your initial planning mission and then that's got missed so um that's what we're doing today we need this in effect to the ERAP this isn't signed it's delivered to them instead of the 7.5 okay 17.5 right so so that was it I believe that you guys have all seen this and some of you were probably on that million and so those are the only changes the um we have to certify that the LAMP meets the NIMS requirements and um I have taken ICS 100 and 200 so I can sign that and so you need a motion to do that for myself and Chris Jarvis to sign so one I would be signing with instant man training that it would be the guidelines and Chris would be signing that you adopted it um if you certainly have any questions I help so I would entertain a motion to sign and re-adopt as amended the local emergency management plan and for Chris to sign on behalf of as a certifying certifying myself as the um the adult all in favor on my page I hope that yeah I can add some other stuff in here some of the put it all together for a game here and I don't know if I can sign the next one thank you so is that updated on the website is that updated on the what place yeah I'll ask her um she probably already has but I'll answer from the website if not all right any further discussion on the EMT plan going along you guys sign these every year um just you don't really the reason that you sign this is because you don't have your own so it's just easier to default to the um to the state excuse me this is for all of you I'm sure if you don't because we don't have our own it doesn't make any sense not to and um you certainly some of these are you can get a graph forward a lot of it is but if you do that it's difficult because some of it is forward or mapping and things like that I'm not sure how many times that should not work so in the sign of the studies that our tablets and bridges will be kept to the same standards but the state no it is only means during construction we're bigger and yes during construction we're it's on payments but um it's more for like if we're having to build in a road that sort of thing but we have to adhere to them to summary because we receive state aid so they do actually come down in spec like we get money for cost roads so they will come down and say hey you're giving you know aid for that cost re-road which are not maintaining it so they do come down and take a look but if the standards are more in building then they are in like maintenance or plowing that sort of thing certainly that's been here to state but I heard a couple paving so they've got to give you a breakdown of standards for gravel and paved roads with ditches and it just kind of tells you how they should be crowned what how they should be ditched they talk about firms drainage runoff and that sort of thing so um I think it's in a perfect world I don't think these guys ever go back and look and see what their requirements do I don't believe something I can show you some stone-lined ditches and stone-lined for a year you can see one or two stones and it's built so you're on the gravel road stone-lined here because it's not I'm just common sense I got home from KGT's XYZ by my name and more, you know, permeable it's old and you know we just put permit to align that and I grabbed a meeting with I'll show you our FEMA work we got our graph on I don't think it's old I think it's old I think it's old right in the book that works great so I would entertain the motion to sign and adopt the town road so second my favorite hi so that's the copy I have this is my old graph that's the one I was given oh yeah, I didn't mean it as comical the state doesn't need it it's no different than I had to have the guidelines on the road I'll watch them on the road do what they should be doing that's the way it goes you say that's a teaching point oh yeah we found a group they've come from a high school that should not be signed it's not going to be an exclamation contract it's not going to be a contract it's not going to be a contract it's not going to be a contract what's our exposure for a grey road with no one sign down at all very hot we're not doing enough with a sign down at all so I think we should look at that I know from other counties it's potential it is we'll take care of that we have the equipment what is it so I have to read out Friday to go over some of this because we have participated in this program before that's when they did the you know on all the roads we know up by the old is the old church yeah yeah yeah I talked a little bit about it because I'd also read the municipal grants permit and that's a lot to adhere to there's a lot of stuff that needs to happen so I was thinking that I want to I would read it because I don't want to put the card before the chorus I'd rather use the money that were available to set up your best practices and standards and do the survey do the basic work you need to do to adhere to the permit before I the project because I feel like that's the time for reverse order so I'm going to talk to her to make sure that we're applying for all the tools of money that were available to do all of the steps you need to do to create these best practices to do these surveys and do that to adhere to the municipal permit and then into the project so if I have to choose my pot of money I want it I need to do that basic first but she said that you would come and meet with me and let me know about all the available grants that are out there because I don't know where I would get those emails from so I just want to make sure that we haven't missed any funding opportunities and you know you just pay that permit cost you money it wasn't a bunch of projected room that needed to be done based on my colleagues right exactly so that's what I'm going to talk to her about so these are just letters of intent grant letter intent saying I know that Alan is interested in the leaf blower to clean the leaves and set them from the ditches and reduce culvert plugging so that's where this grant and aid program purchase comes into play so that's one letter of intent and then obviously the other letter of intent is that he would like to take advantage of constructing one more best road best handling practices you know to connect roads and construct the roads on hydrologically connected road segments etc so basically we all want to take advantage of as much grant money as we can and this is just this isn't tying us anything it's just saying that we would like to kind of hold us a place in line for our money so if you look at these you saw on their packet they're two separate separate things and it looks like we do it mostly both so I guess that you all sign do you have any questions on it that was answered in your packet there's somebody the one about the equipment do you need to check off a piece of equipment they want yeah I just wanted to verify it with Alan because I know what Brett told me that Alan wanted so I just wanted to have Alan tell me what I wanted so I was just going to verify that with him but Brett thinks it's going to be lower so I mean I would take advantage of the grant money that's there right now even though this again is one of those and I can't remember what act it was that they passed two and a half years ago but these hydraulically connected roads you know we have to have a plan and to be managing that plan I believe it was by 2020 and it's one of those things again that has been passed down if you want to earlier with a revenue source for the town and you know we have some opportunity to purchase some of these pieces of equipment that will help us maintain these areas but you know a little bit of money that they're going to give us they give us $21,900 with the grant money that's going to cost us half a million dollars over the next 90 years it's just you have to slap in the face really but you know this is what continues to happen in our area make policies that affect small towns in no way you know you know covering the revenue for the cost of these and this is just another example of this unfunded mandates in a perfect world like we all would like to see these but you know again these are just things that the whole town like that will are going to have a tough time of compliance with so that's my favorite what is a hydraulic connected road basically they're trying to make sure that anything that's going into the river they want to make sure that it has been filtered or you know so they want it to be stone lined so that it's not you know nothing like that is going into the river and it seems like obviously a lot of this I think was generated probably by farms and you know back in the day some of the stuff that's getting in the river and we got you know the town of Bethel when you look at our we'll say neighboring towns but neighboring towns might be you know six or seven towns around us you know we're kind of in the middle of the pack for the amount of miles that we have and you know we currently have they put us in the classification of 45 to 50 connected road miles so I mean 45 to 50 road miles a lot and you know for a little town of Bethel now you know it goes as you know as least amount as like five to ten you know like you know and some of these are really tall but you know West Fairley with 15 to 20 or Pittsfield with 10 to 15 but those are also very small communities but then they get as big as you know Hartford's got 60 to 65 road miles but that's only really 10 or 15 road miles more than us and their budgets are drastically larger than ours so they're able to absorb those a little better and my question is too is if this is what we're going to get if our grant offer it says here we can get 21.9 and it says eligible for equipment purchase yes so it sounds like you get 21.9 and you can use some for this and some for that but if we need to have all these best practices all this stuff done and max we get is 21.9 and they're talking about you know if you have to hire engineers or whatever that concerns me so that's why there's a match on it too there is a match you know which we can do is in kind which hopefully we can take it away and use cash that's what it says right here 20% local match cash or in kind and I believe we've had before something bad I believe that Greg was working on because we've had the gravel roads plans going on that had some grant money attached to it but I believe we were putting those two together the regular gravel roads assessment with the hydraulic roads because we'll have to look through it we'll help you with it we have a cut off date before we're supposed to be compliant which means we have to have a plan in place probably two rivers now it's all probably on and ask her what the skinny is because that was like July of 2020 or something like that they have to have it thinking how many of these how many of these local towns are going to have a plan in place and be able to and they could end up spending it but like I said I'm just going to talk to her to see what else is out there so the last I knew the grant money that's out there which has been out there for the past let's say two years now is in some cases some small pieces of equipment like really small and in some cases some grants out there to do the engineering study for your plan well that's a thing but then the town is up to take care of the plan exactly well that's the thing if they're only going to give us this amount of money if they're only going to give us the 21.9 we need to do an engineering study well let's use the 21.9 for engineering study forget about the leaf floors I think you can look at it I think they have a separate talk to two rivers I think they have a separate grant for that's what I'm going to make a plan to solve that I don't know so she was kind of coming to me especially because the grant let's do the conditions for probably do that I think what you have here if you do I can make a copy because I don't know where to work with that so these are two different writers of intent one is I guess if you want to separate Chris if you're going to yeah so you must you must enroll by the 2020 and have your best different practices for hydraulically connected mixable roads exactly so what I'll do is so even if we go forward with this it doesn't necessarily mean that we will qualify the only way we're going to get this money is we'll have to have a plan in place prior to them except in the grant they call it a grant everybody's going to get this so they've already told you how much money they're going to give you but you have to have the plan in place so what I'll do is I'll just give you an update at the next meeting after my conversation with Rita so I can you want to wait on this or no this I need them tonight because they're two separate things this is due by July 3rd and we're not going to be again but on this either Friday so I need a separate letter I didn't sign this before I thought we signed this before but I don't know I know great drugs before I don't know so I would I'm pretty sure we have let's do it again I'll entertain a motion to I don't know where it is I'll entertain a motion to sign the equipment and roads grant letter for two rivers second I'm confident we signed this well I don't know where it is and it showed up SLEC work packet and SLEC work file to be done it's been done and they sent it to me so if you sign it I don't know I'm sure there was this year we've seen it before I've seen that it's been I know that Greg talked to you about it recently because I was out of meeting but I don't know this was a while ago I didn't sign last year it was a bunch of road workers who were possible The road segment to look at which was the roads of Campbell Road, Highway 31, Lewisville Road, Whittier Road project. So before, I mean this information is already public but there was, we did have three bidders for the project. This was the first one of four gravel roads projects that we handed out. The bid numbers were, I'll start from highest to lowest. The Blue Mountain trucking and excavation was $278,973. Really, excavation was $272,445. And W.B. Rogers was $219,031. So the apparent low bidder was W.B. Rogers on this first segment. The only thing I just wanted to put out there not to throw a wrench into the plans. So when we went to bid these, we went through kind of the real formal process of how the state lays them out. It doesn't necessarily mean that you have to do it that way through federal money. So the first bid went out with the full requirements of contractors needing a bid gone, needing new performance and payment, insurance, and what we had kind of found out that there were other contractors that didn't bid on it because, I wouldn't say they didn't meet those qualifications, but they didn't want to assume the cost to take out a bid gone and the insurance. And the projects that we have going forward, all of them we have since then, have taken the bid gone and the insurance outlet to get more competition and more local involvement. Not the insurance requirements. No, but I meant the bid. See those faces now? The performance of payment. Right, yeah, of course, the bond is out. The insurance requirement is still in. It's just, oh, and Lily are looking at you like this. So there's been some disturbances out there in the contractor community that had that not been, you know, bids 2, 3 and 4 that we have out there or about to go out there are different than bid 1. So there's that. We would bid on that, you know, information is what it is. You know, we would be lower than that. You know how that goes. So all I wanted to throw out here, not that I didn't want to work or jump to anything, but I just want the board to understand that there were a lot of comments that were made by contractors that thought that they could have bid on this that didn't because they didn't want to meet those requirements that now we're not requiring them to do on bids 2, 3 and 4. Which is hard because you're not in the publishing numbers and all that. And that was Greg's, you know, we had his decision to put it in and his decision to take it out. So the only reason I don't bring that up is, you know, had we have stuck this thing out the whole entire time on the same exact requirements, you know, it is what it is. But being that we've already amended our other bids to not include those, you know, there is the opportunity that we could rebid it and get lower numbers. But we also have to understand that, you know, that a large portion of this money is paid for by FEMA. So our, you know, we're talking about, you know, our piece might be, you know, 7.5. So, you know, even if it's the big team and $10,000 less than that, it's not a big amount of money. But I just want everybody to understand that. So I think that going forward, so maybe you'll see, you know, possibly, you know, we'll see if those bidders actually bid on the next few projects. We had a pretty good turnout today, I think we had. And we did for, yeah, we did for the others too. Seven bidders? No, they're today, I would say they're 7.5. Yeah, 7. So, 7 bidders of which, you know. Because it was all a mandatory bid. So they were there today, whether they were on a bidding or not, you know. You did all three of the next projects today. No, we just did one. We just did one. Because there's, this one is out and awarded the one of the other two. Because I put that list in your packet. The FEMA, yeah. So let's see. So the families that was this one, the Southwest Quadrant, we already, they had the pre-bid meeting for already. Today, we did the pre-bid meeting for the East Quadrant. And then the eighth, we'll do the pre-bid for the Northwest Quadrant. And I'm actually trying to piggyback that to do that day. We did the Northwest Quadrant, the Paving Bid. And maybe even the pre-bid for the Paving. And maybe the pre-bid for the bridge. And now, as I'm trying to get these things out. But right now, I'm going to be relying on some information. I've got the size of stuff in the state that I can get. So that's my goal, is to get that out. And then, we also get to put an engineering out of it. Because the bridge needs to be engineered. But we also have two issues on p-line and break and address. So that will be addressed. And that needs engineering. I'll combine that into one engineering bit. So they're going to make the many big assignment for it, as well as the other. So I wouldn't say that the gravel roads and the paving, the gravel roads were easy to put together. But the camphor road has been a little more convoluted because it comes from different funding sources. So Federal Highway with state funds are going to fund 100% of the work on that road. So getting up to speed on, putting the pit together with their pit tabulations has been slower. And that's an interesting, I found out today, too, that the end date when the work has to be completed on, I was thinking, you know, when thinking about when things close, you know, that sort of thing. And first of all, it's like, I don't have to be within that 160 days. So I'm looking at September 30th. So anyway, so. But then there's some of these, like, you know, we have the vanilla bridge, which on some parts of it is easy. Like, you know, the state's going to very much give us the temporary bridge. But there's a whole lot of underlying work that has to be done before you can even do anything out there or fit it, you know. But I draw studies that have to be done. Yeah, that must be done. So that means now we have to, and because it's coming with FEMA money, then you have to bid out the services for that, to have someone design it, and then turn it around and allow us to bid it. So it's going to be a good thing. Hopefully, I spoke to Mrs. Penelope today. Ms. Penelope? Well, it's not a married man. But anyways, she, I told her that we would have a temporary bridge in by August 16th. And I was like, but. We just didn't even say how temporary it was going to be. But give her a year. And he guessed. And that's the challenge with some of this with the different funding sources and what's required of these funding sources is if you're over a certain cap, then you have to bid it. If it's under a certain cap, then you don't have to, you know, like, so like the engineering services just goes over the cap, so you have to bid it out, you know. So there's that whole other process there. Yeah, that's going to be great. So anyways, this, the Lilyville, Campville, it wasn't named the cool cup quadrant, like the other ones. No, but that's the first one out. So the apparel or better is definitely Rogers. And then, so obviously a contract has to be issued. Someone has to sign it on behalf of the town. So that would either, in your motion, is either going to be Chris or myself to sign the contract. So, and I don't carry your way. Whatever you want. We think we will, but we didn't talk about it at the pre-bid meeting and make sure it goes in the contract was the fact that we said we wanted to, you know, close slips. And I'd also like to see whoever was doing the project, the road form, or not the road form, the project form and also an issue. That was part of it. So was that in the contract as well? Just make sure that happens. And the other thing where, some of you may be aware of not, but, you know, the game plan was to kind of have Adam oversee these segments as they're going, but now that we're probably going to see some overlap on these segments, you know, the thought right now is try and find somebody that has, you know, some qualifications, you know, maybe a retiree that has qualifications of growth or that maybe we can hire through the town. So maybe become a town employee for a short period of time to do the, you know, the inspecting or, you know, doing that. Because I think we're going to get into a position where, you know, we're going to put too much on Alan. Alan can't do all that. If he's out there doing that, that's a full-time job, or not a full-time job, but it's too different. So, I mean, some of the options are obviously, we could bid out engineering, you know, services to have someone out there which is, you know, a hundred plus dollars which is ridiculous. Or what we're looking at right now is a couple of different individuals that maybe you can come in for. Maybe you can come in for 10 or 15 hours a week and, you know, check in once or twice a day and take a deal. So, if anybody does have... It's unfortunate, Airy Slack, that was the head of the room crew for like 40 years or something like that. He works for deputy budget. Otherwise, he would have been perfect. Oh, there you go. Yeah. So, what happens is, I did speak with FEMA, and they said that as long as it is under $10,000, you can sole source it. So, we can put them through payroll and then because if you, if you don't go through with the money payroll, then basically you're going to be able to go through the whole procurement process. You know, I hope he was being engineered and someone was on there to gather the votes so to know what they're talking about could shoot great a thing to them. That's what we need someone to make sure that if there's questions that it's handled because Alan has a lot to do and I have a lot to do and you need somebody help. Yeah, Alan has a lot to do so why I just think it makes sense, you know, we talked about that before putting that out there. So, if anybody has any recommendations, feel free to reach out to us, and I have one gentleman that used to work for me that has retired who was in Brackford. And then, Tari said... Oh, I had a couple names that he'd given me. Bill Bringer. Bill Bringer. And then I thought about maybe Bruce Newell, but I know he works for Harvey's. Three days a week, so I was trying to think of people as well, but we need someone with a specific skill set to do this. We're looking at an hour or so a day. What did you have in mind? No, I was just saying I don't know about those records. I would have trust them. Yeah, that's easy. So, we can find out what people are willing to do. We can speak to a couple of people and then, you know, we need to get that done sooner rather than later. Are you on a road trip or are you on a highway? Yeah, I can approach them. Well, I know those two people and then Chris can talk to his person and then we can, you know, kind of see what we're... I think what we need to... What Chris and I need to talk about is what kind of rate we're thinking we're going to offer them and probably something more mileage and, you know, something we need to talk about. And then, I think that July... So, if we came to... Are we going to need to hire that person before? Because I think that this WB they can start at any time. No, I mean, I would say that, you know, the person we're beyond, you know, probably a majority of, you know, July, August, September, you know, those three months. Right, so I guess, so my question for you is are we going to need to hire that person before July 8th, before the next election? Well, I mean, we can hire necessarily after the next election. No, I still want to make sure we're comfortable with that. My dream is not hiring a buyer. So, I just want to make sure. I don't know. I'll have to check that. Yeah, I just want to make sure. I'm just making sure. I don't want to get on one upset. So... I mean, I would say, obviously, we can find an individual that is in the community or very local that is willing to, you know, that has an allergen and is willing to do it on a part-time basis. Okay. You know, you can talk about what we can offer for a rainy day. So, we'll do that. So, the person I can make that, everybody's comfortable with us making that decision about that, honey, you know what I mean? Okay, because we definitely need to get this person on board. Excited to. Isn't it part of the bid to take the trees out of the brook? Or do you care? Are they not allowed? No, we can't touch the brook. Can't touch it. No, no, I'm sorry. I don't think so. I think you're representative. They're stuck in there forever. Yeah. So, that's why they can be on the toilet. We're all until they take down the next bridge. Can you get them on, Lisa? I don't know where the laser is. I'm not sure. It's up there. Let me go get it. You can make that. Is there money? You can hit the right one. So, that's all I know. It's just a lot of fun. So, um, so we can do that. So, we can digress over motion, and I guess we need to award the bid and allow myself some. One of the challenging things with, this awesome tip that, one of the challenging things with the FEMA process is, once you qualify bidders, that you need to go with a low bid. You know, can you get it to questions or? Maybe they're all the length bulbs might be out of model. Yeah. No, they work. I don't know where that switch is at. But, typically with the FEMA, they want to see the low bid, because you've already theoretically, you had a mandatory pre-bid, and you've qualified for bidders, and a tight deal. So, I would entertain a motion for Mo to stop turning off the lights. Is that right? Entertain a motion to accept the low bid amount from Debbie B Rogers, of $219,031 for the Lilybill, Campbell, Whittier contract. What was the amount again? $219,031. Second? All in favor? All in favor? All in favor? All in favor? All in favor? All in favor? All in favor? All in favor? All in favor? Your hand to amend. Make. I just, I don't know. Make an amendment to the motion to allow Tari's to sign the contract. You ok with that amendment, home? Well, the one thing is that they'll have to have a preconception first before they can get going, so we will pass a warning. You know.. and I think when we were talking about someone looking at it had- you know we had a a town manager in place right now with Alan making their way of making that work but being that we're down a person and I just, you know, I just see it being a disaster to try to have Alan do that. And, you know, we're behind it on all of our normal work anyways. I just traveled around seven or eight years ago, so I'm going to keep you up there. Oh, yeah. And it's been challenging, you know, it's been challenging, too, because we've had, you know, all the rain and we've been raising the rain. The moment, Judy, we're kind enough to go get all the states, because for FEMA, one of the requirements is that we have the GPS. So, moment, Judy, we're kind enough to go drive around and get all the states and give us the GPS coordinates because we need them for the FEMA. Perfect. All right. And next up is the bid. We have the stagecoach appointment. Currently, Tom Burgos is in that capacity. What does that mean? He wants to be re-appointed. The stagecoach. Oh, he's the representative to the stagecoach. And they get for their bylaws, they do a four-year term, and so he reached out to us saying, hey, I need you to be re-appointed. And he was like, okay. And I think he sent us a copy of the bylaw's name, and he wants to continue. So, you always want to re-appoint those people. Yeah. And he's been doing this, you know, he comes to us once a year. He gives us an update on what's going on. The stagecoach kind of works as a liaison between, you know, stagecoach and what they're looking to get for funding versus where we're at and what's with the human services board for those appropriations. So, I would entertain a motion to appoint Tom Burgos for another four-year term through stagecoach. So moved. Okay, all in favor? All right. Thank you. And we have the relevant and powers to open service the sign of the group. Yeah. So standard everybody, you know, this transportation to sign one basically gives you the whole, you know, says all the standards and what they're willing to do and what their audit objectives are tells you all the information that becomes in your financial statements. They talk about what their, you know, what their limitations are of the audit. So it just goes through all sorts of compliance and services that they provide. What our management responsibilities are, what I need to get done to them so that when they come to audit, when they appear, talk to them about yourself, about themselves, about them when they work. Talks about fee arrangements. And there's been here 21.5 talks about, you know, that they issue the draft audit report, et cetera. So did we not already approve the contract? Didn't we make an approval on a three-year contract with them? Yeah, we did. I think they make you sign the scope of services every year. And I'm going to go back and find the other one to just double check this 21.5 because I thought it was high. But if it is, I'll cross it out and put it in the right field of number. But I just didn't have a chance to go into it today. But so you need the same thing. If there's two to sign, because you sign our copy, we'll do one and then you sign their copy and send it on. Okay. And, you know, I actually just spoke to Rick and scheduled for when he's coming in July. And then when the audit will be done in October. So that's it. Other audits finalized and the audits on the website. Okay. Entertain a motion to accept the Southern Empowers scope of services. Okay. All in favor? Aye. I'll have to remind some of these places that we have five board members. Because they still send us, like... I think they do. Honestly, I think they've changed their form of use. I think they've changed the name. A lot of them have. And send it to town to town. The guy I like, they contain the town and the numbers. And there's two of them, like I said. So one for us, one for them. It's transportation. Can you even place where they show up? While you're signing that, we can... It's their discussion. We get the town manager search. So what I tried to do and I was able to get it done today. So we're kind of looking back to the last town manager search that we did. And looking through the leagues. Last, we'll go back. Two town managers ago, we went through the league and got an interim town manager. And then went through the league again and acquired Keith through interviewing. And last time we were dependent on the league again to kind of set up our interview questions. Get the... Do the... You know, the job description. Put all that stuff together. Advertise it, get it out of the course. And then they laid out... Then they laid out kind of the schedule of events and how it would go over. It was a course of six months. And then they charged us a very heavy fee to do that. So, you know, I believe it... Last time it was like $6,500 just for the advertising. And then it was like so much an hour for any of the work we had to see. Which was like $80 or something. Very pricey. So, we had kind of... We were kicking it around there at the last meeting. That, you know, we kind of felt that this time around we could probably not lean on the league. It's hard that we could come up... You know, we have a lot of the structure from last time. So, just kind of going through and... And, you know, we have the... You know, we have the job description from last time. And then kind of looking through the job description. You know, there are some... There are some responsibilities, either general or financial, that I guess we could move this here and take that out. But at the end of the day we don't know exactly what we're going to get and what their qualifications are. So, and depending on who we have come on as a town manager, could, you know, change how things look. You know, we could have someone that's more... Like Greg, that's more public works oriented than financial, you know. And that's why we have grease, you know, those types of things. So, I looked through the job description and the one that the league had done for us last time, which I gave you as a handout, it's double-sided. I would just say that we would go with that same job description as before. And then the town manager kind of covers letter that goes with it, is what I revised today, which is just kind of the... Gets into a little bit of the background of the town and kind of the makeup and who they report to and, you know, kind of a small snapshot of, you know, their budgeting. Budgeting, how many employees they have. One thing I did put in here, last time we had a salary starting at, you know, the league recommended that we add the salary in there because I know there was a question last time that one of the board members said, oh, do we even need to put a salary rate, you know, number there and they said they do or else you're just not going to get, you know, many bites at the apple. So last time we got going at 60 to 70,000 was the base salary. Of course, when we came out of that, all of us that were with it, we found out quickly that, you know, 60 was out of the question, you know, it was 70 plus. So instead of saying 60 to 70 this time, I just said a salary starting at 70, so it gives us, you know, great came on for a little bit more than that. It seems like that's at least the range we need to be looking at because there are four other municipalities that are looking, actually looking for a town manager so that doesn't help us as much there. And then, you know, the last time we had discussed a little bit that seemed like the board wanted to look this time rather than go nationally with it like we did last time going more regionally with it. So Theresa and I had looked at, like, advertising in the box. We had looked at advertising, Maine, New Hampshire, Vermont, New York, Massachusetts, but as we found out so far, New York isn't very easy to advertise in unless you want us to convey colors. So we may not advertise in New York. Well, I looked at all the leads and theirs was just the mayor's way. Everyone else was easy, but theirs was, you just have to make a phone call to figure out if everybody else was easy. So, you know, last time we were, last time we looked nationwide, so our, so our requirements were, I would say we set the fire for our requirements a lot higher, knowing that we were going to pull this from a larger pool as individuals. So we had put some language in there last time, like a minimum was you had to have a bachelor's degree, even though a master's degree would be, you know, recommended, you know, so we really set the fire pretty high knowing we were pulling from a big group. And this time I just kind of, at least what I put in here now is just a graph, but I was thinking more that we're going regionally, that we should probably lower the fire on the education a little bit. So I put, instead of saying, you know, a bachelor's degree is required, I just said a bachelor's degree is not required, however we recommend it for, you know, public administration, business administration, and we're pulling the field. Now, that will allow us to draw in more applicants, and, you know, if you look out here, I'm sure there are a lot of town managers that have no bachelor's degree, you know, that might be in the field for 20 or 30 years. However, at the same time, if someone applies for it, and, you know, we don't think they be what we're looking for, we don't have to interview them any more than so. I just think it would draw in a few more people, especially maybe some people that have a lot of relevant experience, but not necessarily the education and the things. And I have town managers that have degrees and not public administration, you know. Foreign degrees are different. You know, I certainly know it's all for the math, but... Because you do get, you know, I think more than, you know, especially the ones that are on, you know, looking at internet type and the things, you know, they quickly go through it and it doesn't mean just this, that, you know, they don't apply to it, right? So maybe it just kind of opens up what we might get. And then, you know, I change ground things here, and set up everything in order to lead this time that it would come to the town office. And the mechanism for delivery would be... Well, what we've asked for is everybody to send in a cover letter of resume and three references, which was what was asked for last time. Sealed envelopes can go directly to the town office where they'll be sealed and they'll be put in an area that nobody will catch and we'll open them as a board. And then the only thing right now I haven't determined yet is for the electronic ones we probably ought to open an e-mail account, you know, that we can do an e-mail account or something. And I was going to play around with that and I even find something that, you know, Bethel or whatever at e-mail or something. And then we can put that in where we can. I mean, it might be a pot like Bethel Manager search or something. Figure out something. I definitely think that it needs to stay out of the office. So then what we can... And then last time I looked through it and they had a month deadline for advertising so they advertised it and gave her play a month to apply. So... Will you go back home? Well, I mean, I guess you can close it at any time. I guess what I did for now is, like I said, the deadline to apply will be July 31st, which is about a month. We're thinking that we probably... If there's not too many tweaks to it tonight, you know, we can probably get it out starting somewhere at the advertisement later this week. Probably a majority, but it will be the following week. A few months. Yeah. And then Theresa and I were looking at some of the advertisement and things. We would probably look to advertise and, like, three local publications. You know, that would be, like, newspaper type ideal that would, you know, canvas the local region. When I say local region more, Vermont, maybe a little bit of New Hampshire, a little bit of New York or something. But then there's... So you said Rutland, Harold. We were talking about... We'll give them. We were talking about the Valley News, Rutland, Harold. Valley News Night. For now, Hoover. You know, seven days... We talked about... The one thing with seven days is it's very expensive. So their fee... Their fee is, like, three times as much than everybody else's. Although I wonder... And their publication is... only for one week. Everybody else's is, you know... Well, first, I wonder if you can get... We used to advertise in seven days and times. I wonder if you can do it just on their website and not in their publication, and maybe it would be cheaper. I don't know. Yeah, the argument for seven days would be that there's such a wide reach. Rutland, really only gonna hit Rutland. You know, Montclyer, you're only gonna hit Rutland. You're gonna hit those small areas. So is the... You know, the back of your buck worth it. The state wide reach. But, you know, if you have your internet and you check seven days once a week, some places will let you do one and not the other, and it's cheaper. But I don't remember their requirement. We used to always advertise in pre-pressed, or in seven days, because pre-pressed is cheaper, and it's for that flip-flop. But they have amazing online web presence for jobs. I think that's a quite a diverse... I would say two. Yeah. I know a number of people that that's their immediate go-to for jobs before anything else. That's always the answer. So I guess our plan of the attack was to do three local, what we're called local sources, which, you know, is probably more Vermont, maybe a little bit in after, a little bit in New York. And then the online ones, which were a few... Some of them, mobile, I'll say half of them are kind of a municipal association type. One, you know, that Vermont, New Hampshire, all the states have them. And most of them are free or no charge for those. There was one New Hampshire charity that was 150 bucks for theirs, but... And the good thing about those, if you get them out this week, you may be able to get them their July publication. So you'll get on their website and be in the LCT, like, we get the book. So you'd be on both. So if you do approve it, you might be able to hit the deadline for July. If not, at least hit their website. And this, and what we kind of looked at was the... This is what the league had sent us last time on their schedule of advertisements. So this was actually all the carriers that they advertised through last month. I've taken out, you know, some of them I just didn't think that we, you know, got anything with last time. But, you know, if we add seven days back in, I'm thinking that, I don't think our advertiser would be like $26 or $2700 to advertise in all those publications. So you had probably, you know, a balance. What was your start goal for? Well, I think if we went with the seven days in October and Northern Territory. So it looks like, at least just from a quick glance, that posting a job on their website is buying them an ad and also getting them posted on their website. You can't just do the website. Oh, because what it looks like. But we can get ahold of their sales team and see what... And it's, yeah, we can see how much that is. So we were going to look at doing that. I can ask Kelly to get... So once you make a determination of where you want them to go, certainly Kelly can take care of that for you. And then the seven days is very crazy. You're just going to want to go for the shorter term. Right. It's too big back-to-back or a weekend. Yeah, I don't know. I can ask them. But if they're, I don't know what their price is. Of course, you have the price for so much for seven days. Seven days is a little over $600. A week? Or one week. One week in the newspaper plus online. What size is that? And I will just let you know that last time we did not go for seven days. We didn't do the last time. So you could do a smaller half a day. Right. You know, where Valley News are like $150. And that goes for three days. So you want all these ads running for a month? I mean, I think you... I mean, you're probably getting most of your... I would say your local people, you're probably, you know, the first week or two that you're running. You probably get a majority of them, right? So we could do two weeks at the Rutland Herald, two weeks at the Valley News, and two weeks at Seven Days. And we'll just go for a smaller ad for the cost of $600. Right. And then any of the internet ones, which most of the internet ones for the associations tend to do like a 30-day thing. And those were all the associations and associations. Plus indeed, did you have another online presence besides those, Chris? Well, I'll just list the ones, I'll list the ones that they did last time that we aren't talking about right now, which we'll see. So last time they had... Of course, this was a national one. There were two advertisements we did with two national accounts last time, which was LinkedIn and ICMA, which we're not doing this time because we're not going nationally. Right. ICMA has... I mean, they're still here regionally, but I think that ICMA is certainly regionally. It's across the whole state of the country. But how do we get the same thing with your leads? Because last time we went with ICMA but we did not go with LinkedIn. We went with Rutland Herald last time. We went to Randolph Herald last time. We did not go through seven days. We went to the Valley News. We went through jobsinvermott.com. And then we went through the different municipal associations that the states got one. So they did Massachusetts, Maine, New Hampshire. The lead themselves has a newsletter and website. I think that we would... Will the lead put ours on there for free being that we're a member? Yeah. Yeah, so we'll get that one anyways. And they had some other ones that they went through like UVM, Norwich University, Vermont Law School, Rockefeller College and SUNY School. You know, so there were a couple of schools that they went through last time, which I don't remember anybody saying that they got it from there. But those are more. Yeah. Do you want the one from that? Do you want the Herald local paper or not? It's getting smaller and smaller here. Yeah. So I just wonder with that, I think that the majority of the individuals that read the apparel will know that the town about was looking for a town janitor. Yeah, because we started the article. So you can also put it on the town's website. So that was kind of the... You know, that would put our potential cost in the $3,000 or under. Or last time, I don't have the exact figure, but between the advertising and what not, we were in the $10,000 to $12,000. It was a relief. We do want everything. Now, a lot of... The good thing is a lot of the templates we have from last time. So it comes to the interviewing process. We have a lot of the questions and everything already that I'm sure Paul's got. And you know, we can make some modifications to those and as we, you know, a month from now, we can start doing that and things. But it also tells us what we can ask and what we can't ask. You know, all those kinds of details are all in this packet. You also had spoken about, or it came up about, the committee. And I had a question. Why don't you make a comment? So I was a little confused. In case someone asks me, I want to be able to say this. I was on the impression that you had a committee that was five other people. So there was ten of you all together. And I asked the question, do you see people that interviewed by ten people? And someone said, well, not everybody came at once. And I'm thinking, well, that's not, how could they have any say they would have to see every candidate or how would they be any good to you? So I was curious about maybe what I misunderstood. So what we did last time was we had the full committee. And I don't think we had five board members and I think we had four from the community that ended up. So it was nine of you? Four from Lisa. Lisa, what about you? Yeah, so we had five. Yeah, so we had ten. And what we did with the ten was we established, you know, the league sent us all the questions and stuff like that. So we went through there to see if we wanted to ask all the questions or not. So we developed that as a committee. But then based on schedules, everybody's schedule is being visited, we did interviews, you know, during the week. Some of them we did, like, during the working day and some of them we did, like, in the later afternoon evening. And we divided that up to have four or five members in each one of those. So there were some cases that I think I went to all of them, but one. But there were some cases that some of us went to all of them. Some might have answered one. But ones that weren't there we took notes so that we were able to share with others so that we could build in. And that's kind of the way we went with it. We're starting to do a little different situation at that time because it was a lot of wonder when you were working. Oh yeah, I don't think I'm going to be able to, you know, I guess it'll depend on when we set them up. Well, the other thing too is it's your schedule. So you certainly can, you know, I think that people that are applying for this a position like this are realizing they're probably going to interview in the evening, you know, because, you know, in the past when I assisted in this all of them were set up at like the earliest I think might have been five. You know, when people got out of work and then that's the way they were interviewed and sometimes we would try to stack up the forms. So maybe they would see that the most they ever saw was two or three people in one night and that was it. But we had a schedule so they would call and make an appointment and you would do that form. But I do know you had some interest last time I think Penny Griffin asked, maybe somebody else at the meeting asked about a committee so certainly that's something you're going to want if you're going to put the ad out you're going to want to put that on your next agenda to maybe make that determination or... I wouldn't give me a list of the board that wants to go a different route. I would think that we want to get the information out there now on, you know, the town manager hiring committee. I got a lot of good feedback last time from, you know, I mean we have all the rights to just do it ourselves and not include anybody but I think that we had, surprisingly we had some really good feedback and some really vital members last time and I was, when I went into it last time I was thinking, oh boy, you know, I think we had 32 or 34 candidates and then the first meeting we had everybody had to pick ten into all of us and then we sat down and we were like, oh, this is going to be all over the board but believe it or not, once people went through that I mean, I would say a majority of us had the same ten or twelve people, you know, there might be one outlier then that person had to make a case of why they thought, you know, and then believe it or not once we started going through the process the committee that we had we're thinking almost through the whole, you know, again, and then at the end we had pretty much, you know, we had narrowed down to two candidates that's a good thing even though I thought it would be like everybody would be fighting over different candidates and welcome to the board I thought it went really well I've seen it done both ways where just the board did it and I've seen it where it was the committee but it was only what they did not it was they added the two people to their board so I know certainly another town has been sometimes the employees have, you know, wanted input and I think the way that I've seen it handled in another town is very, that's the various the thought was allow them to perhaps present to the committee a couple of questions they do work with the person maybe they have a question that somebody can think of so they were able to propose a couple of questions in the end I don't know but it was a way to be help people feel and I don't think the number last time I don't think we just said we wanted to have 10 I think it just ended up being 10 once we had I think we had five people so how do you do that input? No, I just think it just naturally became 10 which actually in some case worked out well because we would have you know, first we started with the phone calls we'll ask the phone the first round so we had 10 interviews at different kinds so it was nice that some people could make on Monday so how do you determine committee's I've seen form in the past people that were interested came to a specific select board meeting and were interviewed by the board and they asked a couple of questions like why are we interested in this and they had determined in advance how many people they were looking for and then the select board decided who was going to be on the committee I'm trying to think I don't know if we had I want to I don't know I almost want to think that the individuals did come to a select board meeting and had just like any other committee member had some sort of letter of interest okay yeah a letter of interest I can remember at least one person that came and then I think we were actually shocked to see that we got five committee members for committee members last time so part of that so part of the outreach you could just whatever you want is what would make happen but you could put something out on Facebook and on the website saying that you are anyone interested in being in a town hiring committee must submit a letter of interest prior to whatever the date is or we'd say prior to or attend the July 8th select board meeting yeah so that would be the letter so some of the letters may not be in your packet you may have seen it that night but you're trying to give them enough time yeah so we close this July 31st are closed our deadline to why we're going to want to have at least one meeting if not two by then for the committee to start working on questions in the first round interview and stuff so can I ask why you put it on a short deadline to stop advertising why not stop advertising in the primary gap for the group because you also don't have to have a saturation bomb in advertising discussion if you guys have that sort of reach a different group I don't think you have to have the add-out within two weeks because people don't necessarily look at everything each week I think you could skip a week here or there yeah that's true they do the two weeks you could do one week not a week and then the second week to kind of cover your money and not your people looking to pay for them but we just thought it was just let the word out don't give enough resume that you like we've got another ad see what else comes and we didn't go to a deadline or a level of how many selections each board member had it really just happened the people I like these two gaps and you took all the the passion from the various people and the discussion really developed on its own with people pitching their guess at the end of the month at about 10 but I mean it was like we didn't have to say pick the top 10 well in this case we don't really know how many applicants we're going to get because they have so many maybe that's why we had we went national last time so we had 32 or 34 that ended up the people we had the people's work were determined to sound like you were really going to look at you got to pass a lot of paper and meetings I know you guys are going to get to the stream line and get just to the facts that's true and it does happen but honestly what will happen is if they don't get handed they want to go back out and they'll use the same process they'll just re-advertise that's almost the same if you get too many set rules people focus too much on the rules well last time last time going to the league anyways they did a one month advertisement of deadline application and the timeline was set up for six months starting to finish and it ended up taking seven months is what my notes I went back so we're thinking that it's going to be the idea for the deadline because right now Theresa agreed to stay on with us through the end of the year the other time we're thinking six months to try and try and do this and we've gone we've done it two ways two town managers are going Keith came on that was a relatively quick process they went regional they got three or four individuals and they hired Keith and then last time it was we went you know we went how did you guys reach further well last time it was a little different because we had last time we had a longer well last time we knew Keith had given us the other town manager had given us plenty of time to start a search because he was retired so we went nationally on that and Greg he was looking for he was on one of the municipality sites once you get into the league they hit their different municipalities a lot of them piggyback on top of those so so that's how he came across that he was looking to come out here was he I don't know I don't know how do you determine who's really good at doing the job and who's really good at getting the job well believe it or not believe it or not I mean we talked all night but last time it was kind of interesting was when we we had so many applicants that we said listen everybody picked ten you know so we all picked them and believe it or not a majority of us had the same top three people and I can tell you that those top three people none of them made the final interview so it's kind of an interesting process that's what I mean those are people who are good at getting the job and in those people I would say every single one of us had one, two, three we're all local we had a very large resume of disability experience and they got weeded out early in the middle of the process it's just a kind of an interesting process the way it goes as you're going and you get to there's a big difference between reading something on paper and actually doing the first interview or just skype you know we interviewed one of the first ones and he clicked within the first question and I was kind of turned off because he didn't know anything about that we would think that if we were going to apply to be the town manager of Bethlehem there was all those things I can tell you that Greg he he had taken some in-depth time to study what we were doing for the water issues we had and he moved a lot of the information and it was kind of cool because the two candidates that we came down to Greg and another lady from New York completely didn't have the exact qualifications that we intended to look for but through that process and the lady from New York she had a substantial financial background so it was just weird it's cool how that process went I think it's personal we were talking about this today there were going to be both hired people several people and it's funny how really this resume we think this is your first and then you meet him and you're like you know the dynamic and what you need to fit in so I think it's interesting the way that it becomes a organic process that way sometimes just 500% just by talking to their referrals so we'll put that over and figure it out next meeting anybody that's interested prior to July 8th or 10th of July 8th meeting and I know you have somebody on the agenda already so maybe 6.30 but something's on something 6.15? two rivers is on a 6.15 oh sorry actually I told two rivers you was that late I said take five minutes to prove the agenda which is 6.10 the villain's going to take you two minutes because you're already going on and it's Peter Gregory from two rivers trying to find if it's one of you or someone in the audience to take over Carl's spot on the two rivers you know going to the meetings so I think there's like nine here so he's going to come in and do that so I figure we do him so does anybody other than I'll go through the two pieces of paper that I gave you the town manager job description is really just a blanket town manager job description that the link has just two quick things I know you said you're going to put that cover piece together but second line second paragraph where you got it oh god wait off wait off I put it in there intentionally just to see recent I had it back how quickly would Paul get it back all the pages on the back side of the description under the job description under the job description and I'll see hopefully I'll probably have to retake the whole thing because I don't think I have the original draft that the lead gave us so I'll do that other than that everybody's good with that so you'll just sort the add-in and I'll tell her where you want it advertise as much as you go to the app one way to see me from retaking that but also might just be an interesting approach to this would be instead of stating a bachelor's degree it's not required in that way to say we'll consider the right applicants if they don't have a bachelor's degree it's better working on that but just instead of worrying it's not required because they prefer we'll consider for the right applicant yeah and you say prefer then by reading that you know that you don't have to but that's where some people will read themselves out exactly and you'll find an e-mail address for whatever you want to write an e-mail yeah I'll I'll look for one tonight because I gotta go work I'll get out of here I'll figure out some sort of gmail account that has something to do with Ethel Town Manager or something let me work on it if you're wanting this e-mail and what it is I'll fill in the blank on it so that should give us going on the timeline and then really the next thing we'll have to do is just establish the committee and then give a committee meeting so we'll have yeah so I'll tell Kelly what the places are and you're going to send her the ad and I'll ask her to post this on Facebook and on the website about the hiring committee and probably Lisa's probably going to put that that or that that you're looking at what's that? can I do it under your name? Moos, yes that's the same you're your primary alright select four meeting minutes from the 10th of June everybody have any babies all night available or entertain a motion to accept that's the 10th of June second David the constable reports any question about the ticket is the SL2 SL3 what is all of that? my guess is the code sort of depends on what type of ticket it is would be my guest number that would be something to use in the process it could be whatever the fine is maybe it's a that's my buy song I didn't ask Oscar but my guess is it depends on the ticket maybe whether it's traffic these are dollar figures yes and also that could also be because the state keeps a percentage of the ticket maybe that's also how it varies I don't know what's your name whatever the total tickets are it does depend we don't get that whole $8,000 the person keeps their $8,000 it's like that I figured it was $0.046 I don't know what the codes are but I didn't notice that two different trailer trucks pulled over around that time so we didn't have time to do it yeah I'm not sure do you have a question about where you could get them for student work? I saw him he got one down in the work zone one day right down where McCullough is there oh he did thank you so yeah I don't know all about that okay but some of the feedback I got so far from individuals was that well I wouldn't say necessarily him in general but the constable has been doing a good job I think there's a lot of people still that don't know who he is right I'm sure don't know my name other than the person that they were mentioning how it was can they be certain that business is back to school you know I think people won't that one was neat the other day Oscar had somebody pulled over in the work zone down here and inside the work zone was Mark who was the one who shared it I don't know that was so funny so they both were in the same work zone the same time but that was kind of neat so but he's definitely getting around and I think the longer he's here but okay so perfect thank you so what happened so you could just be the now you're in your bed he even says hi Chris yeah thanks lovely so these minutes from May 20 correct me what words oh sorry yes because I think that's the pin we had one yeah that was her so that was Mrs. Hamel I fixed that and I oh I know I think yeah that's why everybody got the projections just make sure everybody saw it I'm just asking for a list from each of you of what you believe to be of the outstanding items I'm trying to create a list of them Paul gave me his list Greg didn't talk about it he had a couple things that he gave you that I asked him about and so what I'm trying to do is they're telling me what they think is outstanding items that you've been working on that you haven't come to a close something like that obviously the nuisance ordinance is one of them I know that you know basically talking about the nuisance ordinance which I knew about Paul had a couple on heads and I can't remember the list I had a couple things from Greg too so I'm just trying to type it up so I'm trying to get everybody's thoughts on one list and then I can give it to you if something that you saw in your packet you know it'd be nice to let you know something does evolve the radar and we can say okay this is what's what's happening with nuisance policy and where we're at with it and then it stays on this list until you take care of it it's kind of nice so that things don't fall by the wayside and also we have agreement that we're not rolling out new policies so I'd like to know what we're we're all in agreement you can't say oh please we're gonna I know one thing that one thing that we'll have to add to that list of continued discussion maybe as soon as we get through a little bit of the FEMA stuff was the capital building fun foot print that we were looking at which was mainly looking at public works which shows the data it's not meant about drugs being out there that was on business I think that's the one thing that'll drive the memory and you can say oh yeah that's this or maybe something else but yeah it was on this list that was that as well as you know the process of the potential ordinance and we were gathering some information in regards to other ordinances local or regional examples but the language could look like and for us to kind of kick it around I know that kind of guy that's what Paul said I didn't know how far I know what kind of guy put back a little bit when everything else happened you did I actually saw it in a packet I was going back looking for stuff for you guys for the town manager search and I saw it and I liked it and we used to keep a list too because we need one because things get ahead of you and then what do we do with that and what happens to it so I thought it would be nice to have that so we could all be on the same page two or three years old and then it just yeah then I could tell once you go over it must be something to keep in then I saw that it never surfaced again so I was just curious to see if we were going to start with that the only reason why I say those two is we kind of have a deadline to get those done before before the morning and they're on the list the other one I have was on your agenda it's personal preference for you whatever you want I see on this agenda the way it's normally done there's no room for I guess this is the time to bring up your concerns I don't know what other places we used to slot something in there that said it was right within the meeting that said slot for concerns so if there's something that you saw you heard whatever you could bring it up but maybe this is the time we would normally do that is that how you normally deal with that maybe we've always been kind of kicking around with other business we'll just anything that we're not going to move forward or make any motions or any heads up on maybe we want to add next time it's kind of where we've done it I'm just curious about that so John you have been am I not on the agenda? no did you not get your phone I called and left you a message on your voice mail and the agenda the copies were there I was curious but I'm sure it's worth it well that's up to this board I mean we can fit in under as long as we're not kicking action I think we can talk about it in other business I just I appreciate you guys um looking at the I was of course disappointed that you couldn't see what what we needed to do um it does leave me a bad talk because I can't where we can pay what we're paying now but we're not going to be able to take care of the rest of it did you guys have to come up with a figure in the the message that I left was um for you I can tell it was just basically that it was something in good faith that they had taken a look at your numbers and worked with Greg had done and kind of looked at it and came up with a number and also agreed to evade the interest in penalty and um they had felt that you had had opportunities while maybe you weren't getting the response you desired from the town office and or manager could have come to a select board meeting anytime and brought that to their attention so the kind of was enough they had looked at Greg some knows that Greg had taken along with yours and they kind of had come up with a number I mean I think the challenge was that um you know it stemmed through three administrations here so there's you know it stemmed 11 years I think worth of time so so we can involve we bought the two property and the house we bought I'm sorry it started in 2001 right yeah the buildings that we bought were both in distress because you know them people the holding house the water and taxes were killing them as well so I how we came to our conclusion was we looked over that time period um and through your account you know through the NEMRIC system and it was I don't have it all in front of you right now but there was a period of time at the beginning I'll say maybe it was the first three or four years where there was no activity on the account no adjustments were made nothing was done we were just busy working yeah and then there was a period of time but we were in the town hall trying to sort that in what I'll call the middle uh which I think was exactly two years yeah it was eight quarters there was eight quarters where there were adjustments being made on the account if everyone went back to court they'd make adjustments and they'd take it off and there was no rival reason to it right and it was it was frustrating but we were just kind of putting our nose in the grass and just trying to keep going and we sort of we decided we could try to persevere it's fine but that did and that's how I invested pretty much everything here and now we're on the narrow thread of losing I mean I think you guys have a handle that that I'm only here we just hope we can pull through it and we pay it anyway but through a bad decision my part of it that was an offending member who damn near financially killed me and so any financial cushion that we had you know probably spent a lot of time doing that forensic work to really come up with accurate figures the best that we could I mean without the survey we still didn't kill that a year and in his article we should have made copies but we just I've never dealt with that and please I'm not a responsible person you're holding it back because you're the latest you know you know the stack of people that have dealt with us but I never lost all that that kind of mission never occurred to me that I should copy copies of that stuff so had we had it this would be a straightforward issue right and I think that's kind of how how we came to our decision was as I was saying it was the the first part where there was no adjustment made there was nothing you know granted we don't have anything of record we don't have anything of record there's the middle piece which was I know it was eight quarters because that's what we talked about that there were adjustments being made on the account something was being done that's all we know and then there was the the last part of it which was what we deemed from when Greg took over until now which Greg's the first person that could make any sense of it right so so there was always a part so what we went back through is we because we don't know what was being adjusted or not adjusted eight years ago or whatever so what we did is we had we went back through our system to see and we pulled up some other accounts in town what were some of the other accounts doing during those time frames were there adjustments being made or not being made because I guess what we were thinking was maybe there maybe maybe just do our adjustments on your account but nobody else's nobody was pulling the tablecloth out from the fully leg and table with all the glasses and plates we had people living in that building and Betty Chase had been there for 35 years we didn't know how to kick her out the business move would have been to kick everybody out do all the work in one bit of shop and then came in we were thinking we were going to do that but you get to know these people Shayna Stone raised her kid there another single model raised her kid there that's all they ever know so we decided to work around and the building service they didn't say we had nodding to the wiring and so we wound up doing all this stuff sort of fast afterwards to fix the system so that's kind of earlier that you were worried if you were setting the precedent I don't think anybody has to build into your that they restored it the way we have you know with people I think on our end of the things had had either the town or you had 100% written documents that said had you had stuff or one form of communication from the town we have electric bills I understand but the electric bills won't I know they tell a story but they don't they don't necessarily say that they don't necessarily say that there's a communication between you and the town other than we know that there were certain periods that there was some communication that did happen so had had in our position anyways had you had something that said hey I talked to you so and so on this date and they we were going to make this correction and then the next month there was another correction if you had something like that it would have been a lot easier for the board so what we had to look through is because the setting precedent thing would be if you come in with in this case your utility bills and say well I'm paying the utility bills when there's no tenants in there so I'm willing to act if the town wouldn't break the corroboration of evidence so what I'm just saying is the town has some cold bill here because it didn't keep the evidence and that's why we made a good fake gesture but what I'm saying is had the board awarded you in this case I would believe all the money oh what is that to stop somebody else from coming in and saying hey I got some utility bills during the 90's and you guys you know help us out I mean I could bring people in it would testify to those those apartments were because I say she's been there since the beginning she knows exactly what we've done so then have her come in and testify to you guys that the corroborate was those electric bills and our main corroborate the fact that those apartments couldn't have been rented and that's where the corroborate was and we understand and when we say a good fake gesture or offer it wasn't this we just picked the number and put it on there we went through the the eight quarters there was eight quarters that there were adjustments being made and we went through those eight quarters and said okay if these adjustments were being made during these eight quarters this is what the value would be and that was the figure that we came up with and then we decided as a board that we would credit you for that eight quarters that there clearly was communication because we could prove that something was happening on your account right that we would credit you those eight quarters of of monies and any penalties or interest that would come here in the town the only way to know that is that at that time responded before that but I understand and I'm not in the position to know what happened in the second part of it I believe because I would like to talk about the water and sewer and you know more about it and if there's no real information about what's happening what kind of what the long-term health is because I mean if the you know it's quadruple now that's what about 400% of what it was when we first purchased these buildings if that trend continues it makes the business model not work so I haven't had to move on to the other thing I came up with this we didn't have to get rid of it but we had to deal with the one kitchen interior of a single family house which wouldn't do you guys any good because it loses income and that wouldn't be my choice but I'm trying to figure out how do I get out of this mess I can tell you on our end of the thing currently anyways the board has granted approval to credit your account the monies that we came up with which I do appreciate that the assessment that we have done independently of you know I don't know about the surveys and who tells what or how often it came in but we're able to credit you that and feel confident that if another owner came forward that we would be able to treat them the same exact way that you were treated but there are other ways I'm sure you know if there is a hardship with the water or sewer at those residents I can you know catch up or pay those down I'm saying there are opportunities that we're more than willing as a board to work with you to get you in hopefully a better position of working I appreciate all of your help everybody I interact with you I live in New York for a while so I want to get more people it's nice to meet you I was 35 years ago my worry is that two grand is left to whatever it is it's going to accumulate all the families in problems right now we're hanging months on why we think we're going to stop this we have we haven't gotten anything back that reflects that so I was going to go talk to you about that um but I'm so worried that that is too this outstanding part it's just going to pop a lot and it's so various we're going to have a fifth apartment going in there hopefully October whatever and if I could get some cash together put some solar panels on keep hammering down my expenses you know so there's that some solar panels maybe out of the heat issues possibly get some TV panels take care of the house bills tighten up a little bit more so I'm spending less on pellets I can maybe get this to a point where it's actually almost profitable I'm selling assets right now just to cover bills and I can't sell assets to the cover bills continue to fix up both the broken actually have the second building have some kind of poor situation for all these food and to smother stuff I just think it would be good to have more things going on it's not right now it's kind of a movie set I mean there's a lot of the space is a lot of the doors we just want the best for the town and we just want to survive ourselves and we practice town and try to live so and there's certainly a way as far as we can work out a deal where we're not charging the penalty we can work out if you guys can do like that you can let them do something great sit there and we can figure out what's going on that would be extremely helpful sure we can totally do that yeah and I said before and I don't know if you've been here in the meetings that like Dylan he's been and we're and I think I mentioned this when you would come before the board the first time Dylan wrote us that I can't speak for all five of us but so far we have been more than willing to work with anybody that it wants to refurbish and make our downtown an improvement to it and if that is redoing your units or buying a building we're willing to work with you we do obviously have some limitations to what we can do but I know so far today we've wanted to work with the owners as much as we possibly can and in some cases of that is some people right now see it as a little bit of a negative thing but the first things was really to figure out how much was it costing us to do water in this town we were printing money when it came to water bills and the next step we're in right now is which we're doing the engineering on is actually moving forward with our phasing of getting our water system upgraded to where it should be so there is a long time yeah absolutely in the last select board meeting they have the engineers here and stuff you can see but certainly I call the office I have a couple meetings like this week but if you call me when it works for you come in and we'll totally work this out we'll make a plan and see what else the town can do so if you come and see me I'm happy then so I would say make a time to see Therese and I'm sure through some of those issues with you well my first question is a note I tried to get to see you guys but I got a step walker wouldn't go up to the stairs oh no they wouldn't just come in or follow whatever and we'll work it out John I didn't know that you were I thought you were just taking interest in the meetings they didn't really have time there well I knew I had a lot of fun I got your meeting it was your cell phone but I got your my cell phone is I think you replaced it was the message that it was the number that we had that you left before I think since the battery the battery doesn't work for me well I'm sorry John I don't know we're happy to even any other business coming forward boys did work at the cemetery what they did looks nice but it's not complete I got a C-Soul I'm not going to sell any more plots but there are internal places what they did they made a path this walk so a truck to the liberal vault can't be there I thought the minutes said that it was all like a walking like a path so that we could access it so I was just curious about that because I thought about the term of trucks getting in there they can I think all we talked about that time was for walking individuals as well as the the navigation we're going to carry this man I'm just saying it's something that on that list probably needs to be addressed I think the big thing with the Cherry Hill Cemetery is as we know there's there's multiple issues there and I know when I first started getting on the board it started popping up and it sounds like there were years of you know, maybe there was communications in the town just didn't do anything with it I don't know how that went but I know when I got on the board that came on to the radar again when Keith was here when we went up there and did some forward work of things yeah, so I've talked to Kurt several times now and because of the group that we transplanted was going to be here in the next week or so I asked if it was possible that could be resolved there's a good pitch from the back to the front when they built the road they saved some material and there is an uncalled hole there called a piece of pipe that dumps water in both ways on that cemetery so I asked them if they would consider building that road so it was a constant pitch to a cult around the cemetery you thought that might be possible okay but along with that I still think you've got to get an intern to try so there's some more work because you don't come back well I mean because I'll need to double-track to see what it said and now this my understanding was that it was just it was just for people to watch but I can I don't know how that needs to be it needs to be it needs to be able to I wouldn't I don't know when I would rush into that but they'll look at that would be great except if we're going to dump all that water in the middle of there it's already wet you dump that water in there too I'm hoping there's a moment to run across from those whatever that group is yeah so is that something that you're going to be able to pursue I'm not sure I can get it done but I'm going to drop it that's great go Nate I think that's great now without a lot more yeah all that's good thank you I'm glad that you're here I think it's we need to talk to somebody about it alright so I need motion to enter executive session to discuss the evaluation of the town and the department heads and public officers so all in favor alright