 Good evening. My name is Christian Klein. I am the chair of the Arlington zoning board of appeals and I'm calling this meeting of the board to order and ask all attendees who are not recognized to speak to please mute their connection until such time as they are recognized by the chair. I'd like to confirm all members and anticipated officials are present members of the zoning board of appeals. Roger Dupont. Roger is waving. Patrick Hanlon. Pat, can you hear me? Pat, you're on mute too. Oh, oh, I see what happened. All right, hold on. Where is this setting? Colleen, I don't know if you remember where this is the ability to let people unmute themselves. So that's on. It's not checked. Let's see. A lot of participants to unmute themselves so everybody should be able to. Okay, there we go. Oh, perfect. Thank you, Colleen. Roger. Good to see you. Pat Hanlon. I'm here. Good to see you. Dan Riccadelli. Here. Have you with us. Venkat Holy will be joining us around eight o'clock and then Elaine Hoffman. Here. Good to have you with us here on behalf of the town. We have the board's zoning assistant Colleen Ralston. Good to have you with us. And I don't think there's anyone else specifically from the town. Then consultants for the board, we have Paul Hapiti, our technical review consultant. Good evening, Mr. Chairman. Good evening. We have Sean Reardon from Tetra Tech. Good evening. Good evening. And we have Cliff Bomer from Davis Square Architects. Hello, everybody. Good evening. And then appearing on behalf of the applicant, we have Paul Feldman. Good evening. Good evening. Good evening. Good evening. Good evening. Good evening. Good evening. Good evening. Good evening. Good evening. Hello. Good evening, Paul. And Matthew Masjuri for the measure companies. You. The evening person. Good evening. And then I'll have you introduce your team. And a little bit, but you believe everyone is here, correct? I do. 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The public is encouraged to follow along using the posted agenda. And as the chair reserved the right to take items out of order in the interest of promoting and orderly meeting. So, turning to item two on our agenda this evening, which is the public, the continuation of the public hearing for the residences at Millbrook, located at 1021 1025 Massachusetts happening. So this evening, the board is continuing the comprehensive permit hearing for the residences of Millbrook, the redevelopment of an existing site in the neighborhood office district. The submitted documents are available from the board's website or as an attachment to the posted agenda. At the January hearings, the board heard testimony regarding wetland and stormwater plans for the property, traffic and transportation issues and architectural considerations. At the last hearing we discussed the landscape plans and revisions to the civil plans for the property. Tonight we plan to discuss plans for the construction phase of the project, revised comments from the board's engineering consultant and other revisions presented by the applicant. After the members have had an opportunity to ask their questions of the applicant, the hearing will be open for public comment and questions on the topics discussed this evening. The board has scheduled several hearings for this project and the schedule dates are available on the project website under the ZBA page on the town website. At the conclusion of public comment, the board will discuss the plans for the next session with the applicant before a vote to continue this hearing and adjourn for the evening. So, admit people from the waiting room. And then at this point I'd like to introduce Attorney Paul Feldman from Davis moment the Augustine to introduce tonight's presenters. Good evening. Mr. Chairman and members of the zoning board my name is Paul Feldman. I'm an attorney representing the applicant. And we have our civil engineer on the project Michael Novak. We have the architect on the project, Chris Mulhorn. And we also have from Vanessa and associates are construction management plan expert. As a brief introduction and just to remind the board and the public where we are in the process when we last met two weeks ago. We presented in detail the landscape plan for the project. We also presented civil. Revisions that were made in response to some of the third party review comp comments from tetra tech. And we presented to the board, a series of revisions, both to the size of the building, the setbacks, the front setback to side setbacks and some changes to the internal archival architecture and external architecture to respond to comments that we have been hearing from the zoning board and from the public. We also had a full presentation from by Matt majeure with regard to how the building will be constructed on site. The phases of construction and the, the techniques that will be used to make sure that the building can be built on the site properly and safely. I mentioned at the meeting two weeks ago, that we were specifically deferring until tonight, a presentation of the delivery of construction materials which would require access to the site from Massachusetts Avenue from the front of the property. And we will be presenting that this evening. We will be presenting the Roche from Vanessa associates. Our traffic consultant, you may remember Jeff Dirk presented the traffic impact analysis dance specializes in construction management plans, and we'll be presenting on that particular topic. We also want to present. That were made to the civil drawings and to particularly the front plaza of the project as a result of making the building two feet narrower and setting the building back three feet, 3.6 feet. So we'll present those as well. As my final introductory comments as the members of the applicant team have been going through our checklist and thinking about where we are in the public hearing process. We believe that by the end of the public hearing tonight. We will have presented through our experts and from the applicant, the applicants themselves, the full scope of the project and the permit that we've requested. We, unless there are some open specific open questions. We feel like after the last four or five public hearings, whatever it's been. We are getting to the point where hopefully the board has all the information it needs to be able to evaluate the applicant's request for a comprehensive permit and render a decision. And that we figured the best way to proceed tonight was to start off with the construction access from Massachusetts Avenue for delivery of materials. And I'm going to turn it over to Dan to roach from Vanessa and associates to present that program to the zone board. Dan. Dan, we can't hear you. Not yet, Dan. Microphone's not working. Happens to all of us though, don't worry. At least once anyway. It was like he's reconnecting. Unmute Dan. Now can you hear me. Yes. There we go. All right, thanks, Paul. Thank you, chairman and board members for this opportunity. I have a set of plans that I believe was shared with everybody yesterday. Matt and Paul I think sent it over. I can share my screen, I hope. And walk through that if that's that work for everybody. Please see here. You can see. You can't see this window. I'm a team's user, not a zoom user. I am on. And then you'll see all the, the, all the, there it is. There you go. Yep. No, I got it. The thing was great out now you should be able to see the construction management plan. Perfect. Yeah. So. What we've put together here is, you know, a graphic showing how the site is going to be occupied, the buildings, the areas involved with the building construction. And what's happening out in the roadway. Directly in front of the site. So. And just to give you a little background. I've, I've been with Vanessa and associates for 25 or six years now. I've been doing design work and worked my way into the construction field dealing with construction management plans, traffic management plans for roadway work and, you know, handle most of the field work that our companies involved in, you know, for active construction projects. So this is what I like to be doing, you know, versus being in the office working on the computer all the time. So. Cover page, some general notes here. Not going to go through all these, but these are just a bunch of general notes about specific topics and what will or won't be done by the contractor throughout this process. You know, if anyone, you know, off the board had looked at a comment had questions, I'd be happy to answer any questions that you have on these. We had a estimated schedule. Showing, you know, the different phases of construction. And this project is expected to take approximately a year to a year and a half to finish. Just a typical detail of a wheelchair ramp that we're going to have to build to accommodate pedestrians, which I'll explain in a minute and, you know, a summary of all the signs and sizes and what have you, which are called out on the following plans. So we have this broken out into four phases. Phase one, which you're looking at here shows the site. Right in the middle here. 1021 1025. Mastery Sav I believe it is. And this is kind of like the site enabling phase we call it where contractors moving in. You know, they're establishing the, you know, the limits of the site. We have construction fencing, you know, around the perimeter. There's some erosion control measures out in the back, a detention area to be built. And out on the street area, we have. You know, the, the, the site. Enclosure fence will encompass the sidewalk area. We have to accommodate the pedestrian movements on the north side of the road. So we are proposing a temporary crosswalk be installed to the, just in front of the property to the west, I'm sorry, to the east of the site with, you know, wheelchair ramps on both sides of the road, warning signs on both sides of the road. And then the pedestrians walking down the north side of the road would, you know, cross to the south side. Continue down to the signalized intersection where there's a existing crosswalk and they can get back over to the north side of the road. So that there is access to every property along Massachusetts have a via the sidewalk, not including the site. So the fence, you know, a rundown across the sidewalk so people can't walk into the active work zone. So in addition, during this phase, you know, the, the demolition of the existing buildings would occur and setting up other, you know, preparations for the, you know, forthcoming construction, you know, with the, like a stone wash area for vehicles exiting, you know, the site will be a gravel condition at a period of time. And we want to prevent tracking of the material out onto the roadway. The sidewalk area is going to be removed within a period of time. The sidewalk area is going to be removed within the fence. And they'll be trash receptacles and portable toilets, you know, you know, brought to the site. So the site is basically sufficient with, you know, its own needs. So that's phase one, pretty basic. Then moving on phase two is the beginning of the construction of the, the lower level parking area. So there'll be excavation happening. And the installation of the foundation walls and the slab. The setup out on the roadway has not changed from what was, you know, what was set up in phase one. So everything there is the same. And what we're setting up here is, you know, fencing across the front that, as I said, blocks the parking lane, the bike lane and the travel lane for vehicles remains open at all times. And there's an entry gate and an exit gate on, you know, the, the east and the west side of the, of the site, you know, which is to accommodate the construction vehicle worker vehicles, construction vehicles coming in to do work or to deliver materials entering in and exiting out in a kind of right in, right out scenario. So foundation pad built and staging areas out in the back and loading areas or offloading areas are out in the front. There's a number of notes on here that call out specific items. And I think that's one of the things I wanted to mention. There is, there are existing bus stops on both sides of the road. The south side of the road is unimpacted by anything. That's proposed on site. And on the northbound side. The bus. The limits of the bus stop are encroach across the front of the site by 20 feet, 25 feet, something like that. So that the bus stop, the bus stop, the bus stop is being placed in such a way so that the buses coming in from the east will be able to drive in the travel lane like they normally would then pull over into the bus stop, stop, you know, at the, the signed location and then be able to pull out as they normally do. So there's no need to relocate the buses or the bus location. There's one sign on a utility pole. And there's a note on the plan. It was on the previous page, but there's a note on the plan to just adjust the height of the sign so that it can be seen over the fencing that's installed, which if I remember correctly is six foot tall. So it's possible that the, the sign where it is today might be fine, but if it's not, we want to make sure that it's visible by, you know, the people driving by. So that's phase two. Phase three is broken into two parts. The initial part is to construct the steel frame of the parking area of the lower parking area and the slab above. And there's a crane that will be placed in the middle of the site to facilitate that installation. Again, the activity in the roadway is unchanged. Same setup, you know, pedestrian detour and everything. Phase two, or phase three B, the second part of phase three completes the installation of the steel and the slab erection on the front half. And then this same phase continues with the construction of the, you know, the timber framing from the slab, you know, upwards, you know, throughout the entire footprint. Then the final phase is, the restoration of the sidewalk and parking area, you know, for, you know, the curb, it's likely that some of the curb will be removed, you know, to allow access from the construction vehicles during the process. So that will be restored. The original curb cuts that were there for the previous residential buildings will be removed. And the new driveway entrance, which is shown right here slightly to the west side of the roadway will be installed as well. And then as part of this process, once this is completed, the, you know, the fencing around the site and the barrels, in this case we have barrels in the front instead of the fence, because we're actually working. So we have to, you know, get the fence out of the way. And then, you know, once that's completed, the temporary sidewalk bypass, that will be removed. And then the sidewalk will be removed. And then our crosswalk right here will be removed. The two wheelchair ramps that were constructed will be returned to a sidewalk condition instead of a wheelchair ramp. And then the sidewalk in front of the site will be open. To pop to the public use. So that is the basic outline of the process. I don't know if there's any questions. Thank you very much. I do have a first question. So the proposed crosswalk. To the east of the site. What is in what is in the area where the, the ramps are being proposed currently. It's difficult to tell it looks like part of the ramp on the north side of the street may in fact, be built on the west side of the street. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know if we can, I don't know if we can, I don't know if we can intersect with the driveway for the residents that's there. Or. I believe the intent. Well, I know the intent is to start at the driveway. That's on the west side of that residence and build to the, to the west. Okay. We originally, we were going to try to tuck it right next to the site, but across the street. We did have a lot of parking, but we did have to place the, the road to the right. There was a driveway in between the two buildings that are opposite. So we slid at about 10 feet to the east. So that we can cross the street to where there's sidewalk on both sides. Okay. And is there any impact on the bicycle lane? No, you know, other than vehicles entering and exiting the site, like they would from any other driveway along the street, to the bike lane or the travel lanes for the construction of the site work. And then is there the signage that is on the east side of the construction fence for pedestrians? Is that arrow sign there? What is the proposed text for that sign? It's a standardized sign, R9-9 designation from METCD, which is sidewalk closed and a left arrow crossing here. Would it be possible to add some kind of notification that the bus stop is still open? Yes, that's actually a good point. We could add a small, like an orange sign that says access to whatever the bus route number is. I want to say it's 1061, if I remember correctly, but whatever it is, we could add that and just supplement this sign with a small plaque or just below it. That would be great. Yeah, that's a good point. Those are the questions that I had immediately. Are there other questions from the board? Mr. Chair. Mr. Rcudelli. Yeah, I had just tried down a couple of questions. I was just wondering, are you guys intending to do a generator for temporary power so you guys get the transformer out? I'd have to defer that to Matt. There is a possibility that we may be using smaller portable generators until we get a temporary electrical service to the property, but nothing that would be running overnight that would be a nuisance off hours. Right. Okay. I think to whatever is that possible, not locating those next to the residences on either side is a benefit to the neighbors. Absolutely. We would be sensitive to that. Then, Mr. Chair, one other question if I may. Yeah. So maybe this is less a construction question, more of a civil or maybe an ownership question, but where the excavation is happening adjacent to the east and west neighbors, is there any sort of monitoring or what's the plan to make sure that you're not disturbing the foundations of those adjacent properties? So to the west is rather simple because that's a very shallow excavation. That's a standard footing in Frostwall. So we'd have the ability to dig that on our property without any impact based on our setback from the other property to the west. Because of the depth of our excavation for the basin construct, we will be sheet piling, which is basically what we call supportive excavation on the west along the frontage and wrapping around the corner as far as we need to go to get past the neighbor's property. That's this area here, I believe, Matt? Correct. So those would be sheet piling, which would be soldier piles and lagging that would retain the slope and then we would basically dig to that from the interior footprint of the building. Okay. And that's the only piling being planned for the site. So you won't be driving those for days on end. It will just be otherwise. Those are h-piles that are typically spaced about five feet apart and then there's lagging. There's basically dunnage that's driven in between the h-piles to support the excavation as you go, so that you're basically building a temporary retaining wall until you construct and backfill and bring back up. Anything further? No, thank you. All right, thank you. I could ask Sean Rudin if he has any comments. I have a couple quick questions. Number one is, so Matt or maybe Dan, what do you expect to be the routes that your trucks are taking? The reason I ask is, presumably, trucks would come to the site and want to go back the way they came, but in this particular situation, probably not a good idea because they really don't have any convenient place to turn around. Do you guys have sort of a root plan for what your trucks are going to take to and from, say, a route to or whatever? This is Dan. I haven't determined a specific routing, but I did look at that initially when we took on this project and being that our Mass Ave is a major arterial for the area and I'm sure is a truck accessible route. I don't anticipate there being any trouble getting there. It might not be the most direct path to exit to the right and then have to go out a different way that they came in. I'm just looking up. I don't know the area very well. I'm not from Arlington, but I'm just looking it up on Google right now to just see if anything. I have the route. Just stand by a second. Just something that might be good to just document so everybody knows that trucks aren't just going to go down the intersection and try a baggy turn. I mean, I would foresee if they have to go back, obviously, to the west, that they would go down to the next block or a block where they can, obviously, make their way back to the west as opposed to, like you said, trying to bang a UE. Yeah, Matt, so what would be a good idea maybe just jot that down and just put it to paper and then what we can do is what we don't want to do is people, trucks getting through the neighborhoods and stuff like that. So pretty standard operation as part of a construction management plan to sort of identify your truck routes. Sounds good. I do have it here. I'll keep going. I'll come back to that. And then the other thing, just quick question. So the arrangement on your gates is a little odd. Is there a reason why you just didn't extend the lines along your property line straight out to the street and just come in through a sliding gate on both sides? Two reasons. One, on the west side, the bus stop. So we didn't want to shrink the bus stop by 25 feet. And if we did come straight out along the property line to the bike lane, then the turn to negotiate the bus into an area that's now only like 55 feet or not, the 60 or 80 feet that it is, would be more difficult for the bus. So that's one part. The other part is looking at the way trucks would get in here. Even a single unit truck, like a concrete truck or a lumber delivery truck or something like that. If it was driving down Mass Ave and trying to make a right turn into the site, without crossing the double yellow line, it would need to be a very wide gate. So by having them at this angle like this, it allows the trucks to come in more naturally. And the intent is to pull the trucks into the middle front of the site, offload them, and then they exit out the other side. Actually, Dan, what I was thinking was if you had a gate that was perpendicular to the travel way on either side. That could work. It would actually make entry easier, although we would probably impact some of the existing parking area to the east of the crosswalk that's shown on the screen right now, because of the way the truck would swing to get in there. Right. The reason I ask is just those gates in that arrangement, I just don't know how you're going to prevent them from swinging out into the street potentially. So I mean, they can't be sliding gates because of the way they orient it. So there have to be swing gates. Right. I can just see those things getting blown out into the street. If I could, so those gates are removable fence panels. They're not going to necessarily be swinging gates, my envision, disassembling those gates on a daily basis and opening up. And then when we don't have active, we would be having cones and barrels blocking those if we didn't have anything active going on or people entering or exiting. Okay. So that was my thought process avoiding what you just mentioned. I mean, if I could just jump back to the routing. So predominantly coming from 95, we would be using 3A, which is Cambridge Street, which is a state roadway up to Lexington Street, which is a state roadway. And then from Lexington to Ridge Street and then to Forest Street and then to Mass Ave, would be the predominant route for the majority of the deliveries to the site. And then we will certainly get back to you about the best way for that truck to be able to navigate back to the West to get back out the same way they came in. Okay. So Matt, based on your description, you expect to always have like a spotter there for trucks leaving? Absolutely. Okay. I think that's it for me. Thank you. Great. Thank you. Mr. Chair, I do have a couple questions. Mr. Wilmer, please. And I apologize. I haven't had a whole lot of time to review it. So these will be in not completely orderly fashion, but the things have popped out while I was reviewing it earlier today. And it may be that I think I get the drift of most of the emphasis of this plan, which is sort of the nuts and bolts of building. So a few of these are related to that. Then a few questions are just wondering where other aspects of either pre-construction or during construction would show up. I noticed you did have a note in your big note page about protection of the wires. Is that something you're assuming will happen? There's a note in there that the protection of those utility lines wouldn't cost the town any money is kind of how I read it. I'm wondering, are you anticipating doing that and needing that? We do anticipate doing that in the event that we would need it. Yeah. Another comment is, and I'm not sure this has come up in any of the previous hearings, particularly on the east side of the site. There's a lot of vegetation on the neighboring lot on the east side. I don't know exactly where it is. It doesn't, you know, it's heavily covered up in the landscape plans. I'm just wondering if any kind of tree protection strategy is part of this construction management plan or when that would happen, specifically in areas where you're excavating and potentially damaging roots on trees on the neighboring site. I'm confused as to where you're referencing, sir. On the eastern side, it looks like on the western side, once you're back into your site, it's mainly a parking lot. But on the eastern side, as you work back in your site, I think there are a number of trees that are, it looks at least from Google. I don't have a survey of it, but it looks like there are trees that if they're in an area being excavated, they're on the neighbor's site, they could potentially require some root pruning or some other measures to ensure that they're not damaged. Could we zoom in on the sort of the southeast corner of the proposed fence? Yes. You're talking about street trees, are you talking? No, no, no, along the property line to the east, your neighbor. There's this 14-inch, there's the tree there that you're showing the construction fence going through? That's on our property. That's on their property, but if you go further north. Is that tree being maintained or is it being removed? It's being removed. What I'm talking about is to the right of where that fence line is, where there may be, I don't really know, I'm just looking at the aerial photographs. It looks like there are trees that could be very close to the property line. If there was a tree that was not intended to be taken down because it wasn't on our property, we would adjust our construction fencing and or our permanent fencing to accommodate those and we would certainly be sensitive to roots during the installation of those fences, the fencing. Matt, can I, that way in here, the deep excavation doesn't go back as far as the building, so we're only talking about shallow foundations in the locus of the trees because the basement doesn't extend beyond the back of the existing house. I don't think we're talking about more than a four or five foot dig and the building line is 10 feet from the property line, so I think we'll have an opportunity to do some root pruning if necessary, but I think we'll be pretty well away from the existing trees on the east of the lot. Yeah, and I think that's highly likely, I'm just used to seeing tree protection plants included to assure your neighbor that you won't damage any of their trees. Do we know if there are any over there, Cliff, or Matt? It's not on the plants, but if you look on Google Earth, there's a lot of vegetation back there. Yeah, just one thing on this subject. I mean, we're trying to give the board some detail on a construction management plan, but we're not representing the board that this is a full construction management plan that the applicant would typically do with the engineering department and the building department prior to a building permit. You know, this is to demonstrate to the board that the project, the constructability of the project, how we would do it, the phasing in a schematic way. Some of these details absolutely will get flushed out, as you would normally do as the construction management plan gets finalized. So I don't want the board to feel like this is intended to be a presentation of all that may be required by the Department of Public Works or by the building department when they get into those meetings and they're sitting with one another and going through some details. But certainly if the board felt it necessary to call out a condition that careful attention should be paid to neighboring trees to make sure they're not damaged during construction, that would be an appropriate condition to alert us to so that we can address that concern. If I may, there's no trees mature enough within the limits of our excavation, and in addition to our setback of how many feet, Mike, in that corner? There's 10 feet. So we expect to have any issue there, Matt. I understand. Any issue there. But again, we don't anticipate an issue that, but if, but there's nothing wrong with saying that if there is, if we find that there is a tree on the eastern part of the site or on the western part of the site that's off our property that needs to be, that we need to be sensitive to, we'll be sensitive to it. Yeah. And Matt, don't get the wrong idea. I'm not nitpicky. And I'm just, Paul hit on exactly why I'm bringing these points up. I don't think anybody, I don't have any, again, I don't see the trees on any plan. So I'm not representing that there is an issue. I just want to make sure that the board is sensitized to the, to that possibility. And obviously we have to be, we're neighbors with, you know, this homeowner, and we would certainly never do anything that's going to jeopardize anything on their property whatsoever. And that goes beyond a special permit or what a DPW says or engineering that that's just, just being good people. And that's just being sensible and being practical, you know, construction managers. So I think you can move on. Can I keep going? And maybe these are okay. Another is, and Matt mentioned this about the, the piling or, you know, whether cheap piling or lag and column type earth support on the north or southeast corner. It, I just made a note it wasn't on the plan, the installation that wasn't on the construction management plan as part of any phase. So I'd recommend you put that in there. I don't know if you know yet which method you're going to use. You mentioned both feet piling and piling lag systems. A couple other points. I thought it was interesting the chair brought up the question about the putting signage so that pedestrians coming from the east would know that the bus stop is still active. I think that's a great idea. I flagged it in a little different way. I was just wondering and I don't know your tolerances out front of the building, but I don't know if you can, if you have enough space to have a walkway, a protected walkway or whether that would take too much space out of your staging area in the front. It's just a note I made so that people walking from the east wouldn't have to cross the street and then recross the street to get to the bus stop. We evaluated that exact point very, very carefully. And the hate attention to how much real estate, a protected pedestrian lane to preserve that, it does take up a lot of real estate. We also have concern that even if it's protected, you're still having pedestrians walk directly by a construction site, which we think it's just more prudent and provide better public safety to ask them to cross the street. Okay. There is a note on the sheet too about construction workers not parking on residential streets in the town. Do you have a parking plan for the workers? Yes. The workers are going to park on the, in what will become the parking garage. You have the entire parking garage that that's the first thing that's going to be done is the parking garage slab is going to be poured and it's a 50 car garage and we don't anticipate the utilization of all those spaces during construction by construction workers. So we fully expect there's not going to be a heaven burden on off street parking. We're not representing to the board that if a particular vendor is coming by the site to do an inspection or do something for an hour, then they find the, they see a street spot open, they're not just going to park in the street spot and come walk onto the site and then we, we're not, we're not going to say that that won't happen. But from our observations, there's not a heavy demand on parking during the day in this particular neighborhood. The streets, the curbside parking is fairly wide open and easy to access. Paul, ahead of, ahead of when that, that those garage spaces are available, you're still quite a bit of work to do. You're anticipating that the workers would park on the curbside? Well, or they'll park on the site, you know, in portions of the site when it's graveled. I mean, it's not that small a site to, to, to locate some cars off, off site. But you're right, Sean. I mean, I'm not going to say that there'll never be any off, off site parking in the beginning. It's just, there's not an expectation of heavy demand. Matt, you could probably speak to how many construction workers you're going to have there before, you know, the site is, that slab is poured. It's, it's, it's not, it's not dozens of people. No, and, you know, in urban projects, subcontractors are sensible about, you know, car sharing and, and, you know, car rolling and, you know, they're, you know, that's what they do, you know, for these projects. But yes, I mean, until the point that you have a, you know, a drivable surface, you know, you're talking about, you know, a concrete vendor, you're talking about a site contractor, you're talking about a plumber and obviously, you know, majeure's personnel. So, you know, at any one time during that, you know, initial phase until we have a, you know, a parking area established, you know, you might have, you know, 10 cars on site or 10 vehicles on site plus, you know, the heavy equipment. Matt, would it be a possibility to discuss with the condominium association who owns the property behind yours to see about renting the spaces that are adjacent to your property for that purpose? They were very, you know, we're, I don't want to make that commitment. I'm very close to getting our access agreement in our mitigation signed up with them. I'm hoping to have that agreement back next week. I think those spaces are assigned to the unit. Those are deeded, those are deeded spaces. It's not a condominium, so the condominium association doesn't control those spaces. And they've also, they've also been, I mean, you know, we could ask them if we could maybe put something up on a bulletin board saying if you're not using your space and you want to rent it, you know, to this project. It's just, it's not something that's really viable with being deeded spaces. And, you know, we're working on a, you know, much more important asking my opinion, which is to get the mitigation committed so we can, we can make that a condition of this project. Absolutely. Absolutely. Do you guys know if, if there, are there meters on Mass Ave or parking? No, there are not any meters in this immediate area. They're two, it's two hour parking. Oh, it is two hour parking. Yeah, I think so. So, so that's, that's a, that's a pretty good control against you. Yeah, this is Dan from Vanessa. If I, if I can just add that, you know, these comments are kind of like a boilerplate that we start with and then we massage them into each site. So that note is kind of more to, to indicate that, you know, we're not going to have our construction workers like park around the corner, you know, on a residential street that doesn't have parking restrictions, you know, that, that's the intent of that, that note. So, you know, the discussions with Matt and with Paul was that, you know, we're going to accommodate the parking on the site as much as possible. So just to add a little bit of understanding of where that note came from. Dan, that's correct to say that is a two hour parking limit on Mass App, right? I'm looking at street view right now and I know I did see a sign that said that. I'm not sure if it's all that. Let me just see. There's one, two or three houses. Actually, right in front of the site, there's a sign that says two hour parking, which will be an area that we're going to take, take away. And let me just see if I can find another one. Yeah, across the street. Same thing. Okay. Two hour parking limit. I'll keep going. You know, mine, this is all they did trying to be helpful. So I hope you can take it that way. And sheet four, which is where the demolition phase happens. I, I'm sure that this will be in any spec related to building demolition. But I didn't see a note about dust control and whether you have, you know, a temporary water supply or how you intend to control dust that might be generated from building demolition. We intend to intercept one of the domestic water lines on a temporary basis that feeds one of the existing homes and, you know, get that into a, a, into a ground box, you know, with the silkhawk. So we have the ability and a meter. So we have the ability to use that for temporary water for demo. Terrific. You know, again, I think I'm making points here to help maybe add a few more lines and if you edit this document. On sheet five, I just thought it would be useful, I think to the architect's point of indicating where the basement is or at least somewhere so everybody understands very well where the extent of that deep excavation is. And it relates to the point one on sheet five. I understand that you are, you may have, you maybe you haven't settled on your support system yet, but that neighbor is very close. I don't know if you've figured out whether they have a basement or not and whether your wall actually, whether you need to leave your, your sheet piling in place to, so that you're not disturbing the structure of the foundation of the house next door or whatever it might be. I think we talked about this before. I don't know if you've gotten to that point and whether that will inform the, the earth support system you might use in that area. We have not gotten to that point yet. And again, you know, a design of this nature in my opinion and Paul can chime in would be something well beyond the limits of, you know, a 40 B comprehensive permit. And that's again, something that we could take as a condition that, you know, we have to, you know, have, you know, indicate what our support methods are going to be to either the building part and department or whoever in town was interested in knowing about and obviously it would be engineered and it would be overseen by a professional engineer as they always are. I think that's the best point, Matt, that I think it's a suitable condition that is, you know, putting off when it's actually investigated as, as long as you're willing to provide support to the building department who may not be really qualified to, you know, to understand structures adequately or geotechnical issues adequately to review your proposal. Another question is that on page six and this is, I guess one question is, and I think you, you talked about this before, you're looking at, at stick framing, right, not panelized? Yes. Okay. And so this, just a question and it really is, this is not an opinion, so don't hear it that way. I'm just interested in why in phase three A you're using a crane and then you're happy to use a forklift in the subsequent phase where you don't have space for a crane. Is it, it speeds it up or what's the logic? So the crane obviously is used to be able to build the rear half of the building because you have the lay down area for the crane, you have the reach, and, you know, that you can accelerate. Once you, you mean you can't set up a, we're not going to be able to set up a crane because of the overhead power to erect the front half of the building. So that's when we're changing to be able to build our way out of, you know, frame our way out of this building, you know, from that midpoint out to Mass Ave, you know, using, using forklifts or articulating boom lifts, I mean, lulls. Yeah. Hang the balance of that steel. Okay. Again, this wasn't an opinion, I was just curious why one was one way and then the second was the other way. All I've got. Okay. Cliff, thank you very much. I do see, so Susan Chapnick is the Chair of the Conservation Commission. And she's with us this evening. It has her hand raised. I would go ahead and recognize her as Chair of the Conservation Commission. Susan. Thank you, Christian. I appreciate, I only have one small comment because I don't see the rest of the updated plans for the mitigation area, which is more within the purview of the Conservation Commission. But I just wanted to make a comment about there was some storage of materials back behind the building that was was said was a storage area. And I just want to make everyone aware that we have conditions and standards on storing things in resource areas. And I can't really see the resource lines on my screen. It's kind of a little too small. So I just want to make that comment to make sure everybody's aware that wherever materials are going to be stored or equipment stored would have to be evaluated if it's a resource area. And we'd come to some conditions or conclusions on that. Yeah, I think that the the the area of where the storm water management system is going to go, which is going to be a quote unquote staging area. So there'll be some storage back there is within the outer second 100 feet of the riverfront area. And when we present the notice of intent, and we work through the local order of conditions through this permit, if there's particular measures mitigation measures that should be flushed out, we'll do that with LEC to make sure that erosion or or any impacts are mitigated. So we'll we'll bring that up with Rich Kirby. So that we're we're ahead of it when we're before the Conservation Commission with the notice of intent filing, but we'll also be able to then tie it back into this process under the local permit. That sounds great. Thanks, Paul. And I do understand from Rich that the Conservation Commission is expected to receive the notice of intent under the Wetlands Protection Act for this project for our March 16 public meeting. That's correct. Right. We're aware of when it needs to be submitted in advance. And Rich has we know he's working on it. And we were waiting to get to the to the civil plans with the building set and things a little bit more front up before we made that filing. But now we feel like we can do it. That sounds great. So I would just just caution that though you said at the beginning that you believe tonight the ZBA will have you will have presented the full scope of the project for the ZBA's consideration. But I would just caution that it's not the full scope of the project, because we have not looked at the wet the wetlands, the NOI yet. 100% then we'll thank you. public hearing is going to be kept open as we articulated so that what whatever happens during the public hearing process at the concom on the State Wetlands Act can help facilitate the zoning board with regard to the comprehensive permit. We're not asking that the public hearing be be closed. We've already committed that we're going to coordinate those two steps. Thank you very much. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Chairman. Mr. Mayor. My name request that we ask the public that if they have any comments, really once we get to the the public, we do around on any discussions regarding the CMP, so that if there's no further discussion, we can let Dan off the call. Absolutely. Let me first do one last round. Is there anyone else from the board who has questions in regards to what we have seen this evening on the construction plans and not seeing anyone? Is there any representatives from any other town boards or commissions who have questions or comments in regards to the construction plans? Again, seeing none. So as we've done on the past couple of hearings, we will go ahead and sort of split up the public comment for the evening. We'll take a section of it now in relation specifically to the construction plans that we have been discussing this evening and the construction impacts on the neighborhood and on Massachusetts Avenue. And then afterwards, then we can as a measure, measure we can let his engineers go at that time and then we'll move on to the next section of tonight's hearing. So for that, so tonight's here will shortly be opened for public comment. But before we do so, I want to review ground rules for effective and clear conduct of tonight's business. Public questions and comments will only be taken as they relate to the matter at hand and should be directed to the board for the purpose of informing our decision. Due to previously demonstrated interest in this project and to provide for an orderly flow to the meeting, the chair asks individual public speakers to limit their comments and to use their time to provide comment related solely to the topics discussed this evening. Please note there will be multiple hearings scheduled for this project and each hearing has an opportunity for public comment. The chair also encourages the public to provide a written comment to be reviewed by the board and included in the record. The chair will ask some members of the public who have previously identified themselves by logging in through Zoom who wish to speak may digitally raise their hand using the raise hand button in the participant tab in the Zoom application. You'll be called upon by myself. You may unmute yourself and then you'll be asked to give your name and address for the record and then be given time for your questions and comments. All questions are to be addressed through the chair. Please remember to speak clearly, concisely, and in a way that helps generate an accurate record of the meeting. Those calling in by phone may dial star nine to indicate you would like to speak when called upon. You may unmute your line. Please identify yourself by name and address the record. You'll be given up to given the time for your questions and comments and all questions that are to be addressed through the chair. And once all public questions and comments have been addressed or we have reached the hour of 9.15 the public comment period for this evening's hearing will be closed and as noted previously there multiple hearings are scheduled for this project. So with that the first member of the public wishing to speak is Winnell Evans. Thank you. Winnell Evans, 20 orchard place. A very quick question. I've never been inside either house but given there the era of their construction I would imagine there's probably some really nice woodwork and other detailing in there and I'm wondering if there are any plans for any recycling or reuse of any materials and on the larger scale what is the destination of these two houses that's being demolished. Will the entirety go into a landfill? Thank you. Thank you, Ms. Evans. Matt, I don't know if you knew anything about that. Yeah, I can jump on into that. Good evening, Ms. Evans. So we haven't had a chance to do much investigation into the homes but we have done some historical projects or project with historical significance that have some of the moldings and some of the older design elements that you referenced and we have brought companies in to remove and repurpose those items so that would be our intention obviously minimizing waste and weight in our dumpsters. The balance of the general refuse to be handled through a demolition contractor and brought to waste facilities that's beyond the general contractor's knowledge of exactly where it goes but we know they're going to license facilities and dispose of in a compliant manner with regard to state law. Great, thank you. Ms. Evans, do you have anything further? I hope you're on mute. Sorry. I'm sorry. I just want to very briefly comment that this is becoming a little bit more of a recognized issue and I believe Portland, Oregon has instituted a bylaw that requires X amount of construction waste to be recycled when possible. So something to think about down the line. Thank you. Just to mention the concrete, obviously any concrete slabs and concrete foundation walls, et cetera, would be recycled and move taken to a landfill. Thank you. And if I remember correctly, I believe there's Massachusetts has like somewhere between six and eight different construction materials that are not allowed to be disposed of and have to be recycled as a part of demolition procedures. That I don't know who knows. Yes, I believe you are correct. I don't know the ins and outs of that because again it's sorted out by a third party that we subcontract you but whatever they're doing is obviously done again in a code compliant state law compliant. Perfect. Thank you. Next on our speaker list, Steve Moore. Yes, thank you, Mr. Chair. Steve Moore, Piedmont Street. Actually, just to quickly piggyback on Ms. Evans' comment and these being old homes, has an inspection been done for asbestos and it will be handled appropriately in demolition? Yes. So state law requires before this demolition of any building that you have to survey for any asbestos containing materials or the phrase is suspicious, asbestos containing or suspect asbestos containing materials. So there'll be an asbestos survey done before demolition. Identified asbestos containing materials will be abated before demolition. That's a requirement of Massachusetts regulations. And the hazmat study has been completed. We have a very limited amount of asbestos containing material in some pipe insulation and in some vinyl asbestos tile, nine by nine tile that is beneath some old, you know, some carpeting, which is very common in buildings of this age. And again, as Paul alluded to, we cannot get a demolition permit until we have provided evidence that a hazmat report has been prepared that the mitigation has been completed with all applicable bills of ladings and transportation data and clean air testing. Thank you both. Mr. Moore. Great. Thank you. Thank you, Mr. Chair. Yes, that's that's excellent. I just I was unaware of how that works. But my main comment really is, could you once again on this sheet, zoom in on the back section of the property like you were doing earlier? Yep, give me one second. And my question, my question is this. I'm wondering if you could elaborate further on how that back section is going to be used. I'm wondering first, is that a mound now that has been on toward there and back? I'm not quite sure what's going on there, but how is that going to be utilized during construction? That's a temporary detention basin. In order to during construction before the infiltration system is operative, we have to manage storm runoffs and not have any offsite impacts to storm water runoff during the construction period. So as was presented at our last public hearing by our civil engineer, when we went through the phases of construction, Mr. Moore, you may have missed it. This is actually a temporary detention basin that will be installed first. And then when the infiltration system, the subsurface infiltration system comes online, the that area of the property obviously is going to be redeveloped into that, into the mitigated open space and it will be degraded in accordance with the Finnish landscape plan. And then the area that is occupied by the subsurface infiltration system is basically a flat plateau. So that retaining wall that you see is going to be one of the first items that gets built in the construction process, and that's going to be a flat level area. The infiltration system will be installed, it's been low tested, and it's been the specs of the infiltration system from the design of the system. And Mike Novak can speak to this, our civil engineer. We've given him all the loads that could potentially be stored in that area so that we know the infiltration system will be unaffected by the staging that we plan to do there. Thank you, Mr. Moore. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. One last question then. To build the temporary retention area, I assume all the trees have to go. Yes. Virtually all the trees on the property are going to be cleared and stumps are going to be removed as one of the first site preparation activities. Okay. Well, I've heard a number of times or actually various comments from the Tetra folks about how some of the trees are going to be maintained. But it sounds like really on the property, kind of none of the trees are going to be retained. Is that correct? Yes. I think we've been upfront about that for several meetings now. Yeah. That the existing trees are going to be removed and as we presented and as I know you've helped us with your comments, Mr. Moore, the proposed landscaping reconstruction of the native species habitat will be restored and it's being done in a way that while it will take a number of years to mature, it's going to be quite robust even in the beginning and then we're going to have the maintenance plans that we talked about to ensure that that area ensures the way everybody expects. All right. Thank you, Mr. Fulman. That is true. We have talked about this earlier but whenever I hear that statement of all the trees on that property coming down, I understand that's how you build a building. We're sensitive to every time we say it, we know what we're doing to you. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. That's it. Thank you. Are there any other members of the public who wish to address this portion of tonight's hearing? Do not see anyone wishing to address the board. So I'll go ahead and close the public comment period for this portion of the hearing. When Ms. Evans spoke, it reminded me too when we were talking about the construction plan where people are going to be parking, that Arlington does have a large number of private ways and that parking is not allowed on private ways and I think it would just be whatever instructions that are being provided to the workers on the site that they be made aware of that situation and that they, especially in the first phase of the construction, where there's limited ability to find all-day parking, that private ways are not an acceptable alternative. We'll make sure that our subcontracts are aware of that. Thank you. Absolutely. So Dan, you could stop sharing your screen. Okay. And we appreciate you being here tonight and Mr. Chair, if you want us to move on, we're ready to do that. Certainly. Okay. So the other two topics we want to present tonight is from our civil engineer, Mike Novak and from our architect, Chris Mohrn. And I think it makes sense while everybody's still fresh that Chris, you present some of the work you've done taking into account the feedback we got two weeks ago in terms of the front plaza design and I'll turn it over to you. Thanks Paul. Christopher Mohrn for Harrison Mohrn Architects, we're the project architects, so I'm going to share my screen. You should be all set. Can you see my screen now? Yes, we can. Excellent. Let's see if I can make this go. Yeah. So last time we presented some ideas about how we might change the layout of the building and the layout of the front plaza to improve it. We talked about moving the building back and moving it to the right. We've increased the front setback to reduce the presence on the street. We've reduced the building width to 135 feet per our discussion last time and after talking to the fire department, the fire department was indifferent, if you will, it's not the right exact word, but they were not exercised one way or the other as to where to put the additional setback space. So what we've decided to do is to take the advice of the board and put it on the west side of the property. So here you can see the updated front plaza layout. On the right hand side here is a 10-foot setback, that's the minimum in the bylaw. On the left hand side, we've taken the additional two feet that we gained by reducing the width of the building and increased this west side or left side setback to 15 feet. The building has moved back from the street by 3.6 feet so that we're now 20.3 feet at the left hand corner, putting us behind the three-story apartment building to the west of our site and we're 17 feet back on the right hand side, putting us more or less in line with the existing house. So we think we've improved the design of the plaza. Based on the feedback last week, we've reduced the size of the seating area, we've relocated the seating area, and we've added street trees. So here's a diagram, site diagram of the proposal for the front plaza. Starting on the left hand side, you can see that there's a small seating area with two benches that basically straddles the path that leads to the back of the building. This lets us increase the planted area to the right here between the walkway and the benches and the driveway. So we've gotten that to be a little bit wider, it's wide enough now to put two trees into, and then on the right side of the drive, we kept the tree that we had to the left of the vault. We kept the two trees that we had flanking the entrance and we added another street tree in the plaza area in front of the retail space. So now we have a total of six trees across the front of the site with a smaller sitting area to the right. Here's the landscape plan layout drawing that shows the materials. So the walkway is bituminous concrete, the seating area is surrounded by a granite curb and has concrete unit pavers in it. The drive itself is bituminous with granite curbing on both sides, and then starting to the right of this driveway tree, if you will, is an area of pavement, which is again concrete unit pavers with one, two, three tree wells in the paved area. The bike racks live between the driveway trees and the entry trees in the same locus as the subterranean transformer vault. We've also revised the plant material based on the feedback that we got last time. We've changed the trees from ornamental cherries to shade tree. We've added some shrubs and we've added some additional structural soil to try to ensure the viability of the street trees. So here's the updated planting plan from Kyle Zink's drawing set. You can see that there's one, two, three, four, five, six tree trees along the front. There's an area of shrubbery in here. There's an area of shrubbery on the other side here. There's a bank of use on the right side here. This is the plant list. So we have some Rosa Sharon. We have some Inkbury. We have some knockout roses, and the main feature that we have are these Ginko biloba street trees. This is a variety called let me just check here. It's called the Princeton Sentry Ginko. Now, I don't know if you know about Ginkos. Ginkos are an ancient tree. They've been around for 270 million years. Fossilized, the Ginko leaves have been found from the Cretaceous period along with dinosaurs. This particular variety, the Princeton Sentry, is a taller, more upright variety. Kyle picked these because they're an excellent street tree. They're very rugged. They've been around forever. They grow nicely. This variety grows tall. They turn a lovely golden color in the fall, and they'll provide much more shade than what we had previously, which were a lower ornamental tree. So that's the story. Again, trees, these are shrubs in here. The grasses are in between, and in the tree wells, there's grass infills, and then a U hedge on the left-hand side, making a buffer to the neighbor. That's what I have, and I'm happy to take any questions. Well, thank you very much. Speaking personally, I really appreciate the adjustments that have been made. I'm very happy to see the additional trees that the trees are more oriented towards shade. I did have a couple of questions. So at the rear of the property, obviously, that the urban forest section is very much focused on native species. I'm curious if these species are native as well, or if there are species that would need either more care or whether they would be more prone to encroaching in other areas. I don't know whether these are classified as a native species or not Christian. They are a typical street tree. They're used throughout the eastern seaboard as a street tree. They're very robust, and they survive well in polluted environments. So we feel confident that they're going to work pretty well here. I also failed to mention that for the ones that are in this paved area, we've increased the amount of structural soil so that what's going on here is that from this third tree to the first tree, it's essentially all one planting bed with these soils arranged so that the root structure of these trees can spread out. Kyle feels pretty confident that these are going to be a great choice for here. They're going to give us some good height. They're going to give us some good shade and provide. I like particularly this look where they're in a row, this picture up here where we have three or six of them working together. I think it's going to be very effective. And then you said you're looking at planting eonimus where the path and the seeding intersects with the sidewalk. What are the heights of those? So these are these TMs. I may have misspoken. I believe that is a U. TM is a Hicks U. Okay. They're starting at 36 inches high and four feet on center. So there are three feet high to start with. I don't know where they talk about, but probably only four to five feet. Okay. I just picture the U's in front of my house. Are they big? They are badly overgrown. Time to job. They do have to be managed. It's true. Yeah. Okay. And then could you just comment a little bit on what some of the other shrub types were there? Yes. Let me just go back to the this plan here. So these eight Hs here and the eight IGS are, Hs is the rose to Sharon, and then the IGS is the shamrock inquiry. So that's a shrub row at the back of this planted area here. And then there's another bunch of the inkberries on the other side of the dry one. So we have the drive is bookended by the two trees and then these inkberry shrubs behind with the rows of Sharon to the left. There are also some roses planted in the wells around these trees. Let me see where I can find where they wound up. The RK. Yeah. So it's three in here and eight over here. So and the rest of these are grasses. The CAK is a grass, but the LM is a grass and those are in and around the trees. Okay. And is there any anticipation that irrigation is going to be required or? Yes. The intention is irrigation all the way across the frontier. Including the street trees as well. Yeah, exactly. So it'll be a drip system. It'll deal with the tree wells. It'll deal with the shrub areas as well. And you had said that the paver areas, that's going to be pervious. Is that correct? We haven't decided on pervious here. The runoff calculations are based on these areas being impervious. The suggestion that has been made and has not yet been detailed is to try to pitch the pavement so that it drains into these tree wells. That's a pretty high bar for this site because the site paving is generally going to pitch down from the building to the curb line. So I think it's pretty easy to get the part between the building and the tree wells to pitch into the tree wells, but the areas on the sides of the tree wells is going to be a little bit hard to get them to pitch back into the wells, but that's the intention and we'll work on that when we get into the fine grading of this front area. And if they weren't, if the water wasn't going towards the tree wells, which direction would the water be heading? It's running towards the sidewalk. So this area here, the calculations are assuming that it's running towards the sidewalk, but it's less runoff than it's currently going in that direction. And then it would just sheet across the sidewalk and then to the car. Correct. That's correct. Yeah. Okay. And then you had said so by two minutes, so asphalt going into the drive into the parking area and up the side of the building as well. That's correct. Those are the questions I had. Are there questions from the board? I'm not seeing any questions from the board. Then reach out and ask Mr. Boomer if he had some questions. I do. I do. I want to say I really strongly support the increases in the setbacks. I think it makes a big, big difference. And I think you made the right decision in allocating most of the increase to the west side of the building. I think that works really well. The quick point though, I think you can see it on this plan that we're looking at right now. I think the landscape and civil plans may not have picked up that increased setback because I think if you look in this drawing, you're still proud of the neighbor to the west. That's right. This plan, this landscape plan has not been updated for that, but if we go back to this guy, this has got the correct dimension. That's what I thought. Yeah. I'd recommend coordinating those plans just so the board knows what is the right plan. I'm a big supporter of ginkgo trees. Both are long heritage and their suitability for street trees. I would recommend probably specifying male ginkgoes versus male. We got you on that. We don't want the females. We don't like the fruit. So what I've been told is that the females generally never leave the nursery anymore, at least in New England. They're confined to the nurseries to do their work. But yes, they'll be male ginkgoes for sure. Terrific. I've got a couple questions and a couple suggestions. One is I noticed on the elevations and the roof plans that it looks like roof access is limited to a hatch. I think that is smart on the south side of the building, but just as a suggestion, I think your management company might like you a lot better if you actually provide a stair access if it's possible on the south side where the penthouse wouldn't be so obvious. It's just I'll throw it out there. The elevations do look better and that rendering, the street rendering looks a lot better with a lowered elevator. So our intention is the elevator. Sorry, Cliff. No, it's okay. To cut you off, but the intention as far as the roof access is to use an alternating tread stair at the top of both of the egress stairs and then use a 30 by 96 inch hatch so that you can actually it's a walk up. It's not a ship's ladder kind of set up. It's a big hatch. It's an alternating tread ladder. So without having to build a doghouse up above, we still have good access to the high roof and more than 50 percent of the roof is at the fifth floor level. So that's walkout condition. Right. Right. Okay. Well, I was just putting that out there as an option. I don't think it would be an aesthetic issue if you did decide you needed it on the north side of the building. One, I think there's something funny in the drawings with the elevations. If you look at the rear elevation there, we know your intention is for an at grade egress from the garage onto the filled area in the back. But if you look at your west elevation, the left elevation, you're showing a low grade on that side. So I think some, unless I'm reading the grind incorrectly, I think the left elevation may not be accurate. Okay. I will take a look at that. I don't have those on my screen tonight. But the notion is that that the back area over the stormwater management plan slopes gently from west to east. So the grade at the northwest corner is lower than the walkout grade. I don't know whether I have it drawn correctly at the right elevation yet, but I will certainly check. Okay. All right. I appreciate that. Another comment is I had the impression it, that I'll just say it is that when I had brought up the question about the specifics, more specific information about the cementitious siding, I thought you'd indicated that you were using the material that was homogeneous, the color was homogeneous throughout the thickness of the material. And in this generation of drawings, I'm noticing that there are areas of painted cementitious panels. And I'm wondering if that is that intentional or are you mixing materials on purpose? There is one color that we can't get in the integral, into the color panel material. So there is one of the finished materials that is a pink finish. That's where we are right now, yes. Okay. And that might be it. I had a couple comments. I know there is another comment I do want to make and with all complete understanding about there's a whole nother level of review that happens when this goes in for permitting. But the reason I'm just going to keep pushing this button a little bit on a preliminary code review is I think everybody just wants to be sure that you're not going to learn something kind of fundamental about the design from the building department that would force you to change the plans that the board is looking at. It doesn't mean it couldn't be that you can't revise your decision later on. And I think my recommendation is just because I've run into this bunch of times myself is really confirming egress requirements from places like the storage areas, even the roof decks that are greater than 500 square feet, just making sure that you're totally set on the code issues that could potentially change a floor plan. So I'll just leave it at that because you were absolutely right and you consistently point out that you need to meet code and that's absolutely true. I think I'll just make one other comment because I know I know you wanted to end at 9.15 or so. In the in your code review, the egress includes accessible egress because I hit on this before and you'd mentioned using battery power. I just have never been able to do that to maintain an accessible egress path from your top floor. But again, I'll put it to you. The only change I would ever have is just you would need to include an emergency generator as opposed to a battery and you've got a roof real estate where you could do that. Power inverters to power emergency lighting is more than co-compliant with which renders. That's true. That is true. It's the elevator that I'm concerned about. The elevator is a traction elevator that has what's called a battery rescue device and this also is approved within the state elevator code and it has enough battery life that in the event of a power failure, the elevator will go down to the lobby and open the doors and that's very standard on Bob. No, that's totally right, Matt. But that's not what I'm talking about. What I'm talking about is an accessible means of egress which means that in a power outage, the elevator doesn't just go down to the bottom floor. It allows egress from somebody who gets out of their unit after the power outage and the battery would have dropped the elevator down. It's a different part of the code. I'll take a look at that. The only other comments I had, I appreciate that you submitted that sustainability letter. It covered a bunch of things that we talked about. One of the neighbors, I think, was asking about percentage of recycling. You do mention that in your plan, you don't have a specific percentage. I just might suggest that you commit to a percentage of construction waste that might include some of the waste from the demolition. But I think that's all I had for now. Again, I apologize for not having a lot of time to review this materials, but I genuinely appreciate the moves you've made on the setbacks and the revised planting plans. I think the building really benefits from that and the neighborhood does, too. Thanks for your input, Cliff. Thank you. Thank you. I wanted to offer Sean Rudin if he had any comments on this as well. I think I'm all set. Christian, thanks. Great. Thank you. Just to follow up on one of the questions that Cliff had posed. The cementitious siding and the one color that needs to be painted rather than being through color, where on the building is that and is it in a location where it can readily be maintained? Good question. I can tell you it's a you didn't have the elevations. Some of you, Christian, it's on the front elevations in the where you see that the horizontal patterning that's it looks like it's about 18 inch reveal, maybe two foot reveal. Those horizontal areas are the painted siding. I think I got that right. Yeah, it is. And then on the rear elevation, there's a larger area of painted siding. Right. Okay. Great. Thank you for that clarification. Are there any questions from the board? Just for the benefit of the public. So the applicant had submitted yesterday afternoon some revised plans, which the consultants have had an opportunity to review. I've been working with the town to get those posted to the town's website, but where they the final bit of those drawings came in basically 24 hours before this hearing. And so we've not been able, I don't also haven't had a chance to look at the website in the last couple hours to see if those have been able to be posted. But if not, they are, we are in the process of having those posted. We will absolutely discuss them at the next hearing. And then also the project sustainability report that was mentioned that was released today. And so we are getting that posted as well. And I fully intend to have that as a topic of the following hearing. So just in case you're hearing about these for the first time and you're wondering where they are, that's the status of those. They just arrived very, very close to the time of this hearing. We just haven't had an opportunity to get them fully up on the town's website, but they will be there shortly if they're not there already. And then they will also be a topic of the following hearing. Are there any, anything further from any members of the board? Seeing none. I will go ahead and reopen the hearing for public comment. Just in an abbreviated format, members of the public wish to speak to what we've discussed in the second portion of the hearing. Please use the raise hand button in the participants tab in the Zoom application or if you're calling in, you may use, you may dial star nine to indicate you'd like to be added to the queue and you'll be recognized by the chair. Ask, identify yourself by name and address for the record and then you'll be given time for your questions and comments. We will leave this period open until we are done with public comment or we have reached 945. So with that the first name and the speaker's queue is Mr. Steve Moore. Yes, thank you, Mr. Steve Moore, people on street. I want to applaud and thank the applicant and his team for what they've done here. This is a great improvement to the front of the building from my perspective, moving the building back, adding trees. It's all good. So that's clear that the applicant is listening and reacting appropriately to input. So thank you for that. The ginkgo below the tree that was being discussed here, it's great because it's hardy and survivable. It's not a native species. That doesn't mean that it's a non-starter. It just means not a native species and we always tend to prefer native species. However, it has been cultivated here in Europe for hundreds of years just as the applicant said. So it may be certainly an appropriate use here. One thing you might want to consider is mixing enough with perhaps the red maple, something like that, an additional large tree just to get some native species in there as well. But honestly, this is a great improvement. So thanks for that. Thank you, Mr. Moore. Thank you, Mr. Moore. Thank you, Steve. Thank you. Are there any other members of the public who wish to address the board? Seeing none, I will go ahead and close public comment for this section of the hearing. So with that, come back. Mr. Feldman, are there other topics you had hoped to address this evening? It's just one final one and it's to ask Mike Novak, our civil engineer, to follow up on where he was two weeks ago. He presented a variety of responses to the comments we've been getting from Mr. Reardon, which we have found to be very beneficial and we appreciate the approach that both Quiff and Sean have taken to help us with this project. And so, Mike, I'll turn it over to you for the—it's not going to be a long presentation, Mr. Chair, just to fill you in on what Mike has done, particularly with regard to now setting the building in its new location, being further set back and being narrowed. Perfect. Thank you very much. Thank you, Mr. Chair. Mike Novak, patron engineering. I will throw up the plans one second and I believe these are probably the plans that Mr. Chair, you are speaking about that haven't quite made it to the website. Sorry about that. So I assume since they were uploaded, well, you have them, it's all right to share them. Absolutely. All right. So again, as Mr. Feldman said, there's not a lot of changes. So if I can go through just quickly, again, this is the existing conditions with the two existing houses. I will just try to get to the plans that have had significant change to them. This is the layout plan. This does show the new building location, but I think it would be better served to show on the grading plan as well and I'll try to zoom in a little bit. So this is probably the best angle, full view of the full building change again. This plan does reflect the 20-foot, 20.3, I think it was that Chris mentioned and the 15-foot offset here. Again, you can see that the 10 and the 10 is held on this property line, parallel to this property line that way. That's why we do have the two different distances in the front of this corner being a little closer. The updated front layout is shown and then the building reduction in width of foot on each side for a total width of 135. I did just for kind of scale and orientation. I did notch out where the upper courtyard would be and just tried to give that a little different texture for lack of a better term just to get a feel for how we were trying to line that up with the abutting ground piece would feel too ominous. I did go ahead and change the configuration of the infiltration system again, if you recall from our last presentation. I hadn't done that because we wanted to make sure that the board was on on par with us in terms of changes. So I've gone ahead and done that. The wall has not. So in regards to the riverfront impact and what we'll be bringing forth to conservation, the wall and everything beyond it has remained the same. The system just got a little narrower, a little narrower, a little longer and still maintains the same drainage results as we previously proposed. I have tried to address some of the additional comments that were remaining. I did add a small concrete drywall here right at the outlet just to help show a little more effort in terms of reducing or minimizing any detrimental impact to the parking lot and any flow that may be happening just to capture a little extra bit as it's actually not in the model and we're still reducing. So again, just almost the belt to suspenders type of thing. That's the gist of it. Some minor grading tweaks along the sides to make sure that we're not impounding water or sending water across properties. I really just wanted to nail that down. So the intent is very clear that the water should stay on our property and move to the rear and not hinder any drainage on any other properties as well. I can quickly check the other. Oh, I'm sorry. There were a couple utility changes. I don't know if I'm concerned about what it is, but I'm happy to share them through conversations with Mr. Red and I took the domestic service off of the high pressure line and put it back to the low pressure line, keeping the fire service on the high pressure line. And Mr. Red did ask for some flow calcs in regards to sewer, which I'm working on providing. I've started here on the plan, but he's asked for some additional, which I will get him. And oh, this plan is probably worth taking a look at too. This is, again, the fire apparatus and the radius circle, so the ladders, and you can see it probably covers. I don't have the other one to compare, but it covers a little bit more area now that the building's a little smaller and push back a little bit as well. So I think those are the major changes. Probably best to just answer questions at this point. So Mr. Chair, I'll turn it back to you and I can leave this plan out if that makes sense. All right. Thank you. Mike, if I may, Mr. Chair. Yeah, please, Matt. So I was not aware of that domestic water change. I do not believe that that low pressure line is going to be appropriate for the pressure we need in a five-story building, and we're going to be looking at boosting. And with all due respect, I like to do one tap into a main and obviously branch off of that once we get to the private property with the domestic, which is what we do on every project I think we've ever constructed in our career. So I would like to pause and revisit that conversation offline and then we'll follow up with the next meeting if possible. So Mr. Chair, that's not to Matt as well. That's my fault. I thought I did mention that, so I don't need to spring that on you. I think if Matt and Sean, myself got together and made a plan, I don't think that would be an issue to figure that out and make everyone happy. Okay, not a problem. So I think that the moves you've made specifically in relation to the comments that were provided last week by Tetra Tech, I think make a lot of sense. I think the dry well at the rear is a, as you say, sort of felt in suspenders and it certainly works in that capacity to prevent or at least greatly reduce any flow out into the adjacent property. And I think we can do to reduce sheet flow across that parking area going towards the brook, I think is helpful. There was a comment in the prior section from Mr. Boomer about the the grades at the rear corner of the building. And I think it was more a question about to how they might have been reflected in the architecturals, but the what is the elevation of the interior floor slab? The garage floor slab is 95 too. Is 95 too, okay. Yeah, and we're, as you can see here, the grading is pretty much catching up to existing grade here. So it's there's not a lot of exhibition. Now you can probably chime in as to how deep will be beyond that floor past that elevate those existing elevations. I think you said it's probably four or five feet, if I'm tracking that right. Yeah, I mean, you would have a four foot frost wall, you have a, you know, you know, two, I mean, no more than six feet to the bottom of your front. And really that's why the wall becomes a necessity because we are so low and we are keeping the building up. So exhumation in this rare area. And I think the plant, the tree concern is more in this area. You know, and of course, we're 10 feet off and we're only going four to four or six feet. I think we'll think we'll be safe in terms of any root impact if there is any to be my opinion, very minimal. Mr. Chairman, we'll go and take some photographs of that area. And we'll make it a point to bring this back up next week and just make sure that we do whatever we need to do for in terms of any root trimming or preservation of the Okay. And Mr. Chair, sorry, one just hoping to continue to answer your question as we move across where 94 we are at 95 at the at the entrances or exit areas. And then we do slope off with 94 93 moving down to 93 92 area. So there is a slight drop off as you move to the I believe that's the he says west direction. Okay. Right. And then you had said before that there is no change to that retaining wall at the rear. That's as it was before. And it's just it's the or it's the proportions of the infiltration system that have adjusted slightly to make it more rectangular. Correct. It was it was more on a shape of sort of following the hand and basically I just pushed it out this way. I'm keeping the same distance as I got from the wall and trying to make up a more distance between the building and the system itself. There'll be an impermeable membrane on this end to mitigate against water pressure against the back of the wall, which has which has been there for a while. It's just it's a small line. Small line of note it can be missed pretty easily. Okay. Thank you for that. Are there questions from other members of the board? Just one quick question, chair. Mike, have you guys given any thought to the type of wall that's going to be because it really can't be modular block, right? Because you're not going to be able to have the return fabric. So you're thinking just big concrete blocks or what are you thinking on that? Matt, you had we had talked about the shoe head of preference for this, I believe, and I don't want to be wrong. So we're not mistaken. My my understanding, Mike, was that we were going to be using a standard modular block wall. I can you zoom into it because I've forgotten what we have for grade change there. Yeah. Yeah, you're not going to be able to use a standard modular wall. You got to return all of its fabric sections. They can't go back into the infiltration system. So yeah, and this is probably the highest area through here, 94 to 84 roughly in this pinch point. Yeah, based on that, obviously, geofabrics is not going to work. So yes, we would be back to a mass block wall system that would be supported with no geogrid based on a 10th grade change for sure. Yeah. It looks like you've got room for that between the infiltration system in your face of wall. So you should be okay. Yeah. Agreed. What would the facing of that be like on the north and east? So we have a split face, you know, a, you know, a stone jagged face to it. It is a, you know, a cast concrete, and they have a couple of different colors that were typically, you know, a darker, great color. And then obviously, once, you know, we have our landscape program and, you know, a lot of that would end up, you know, disappearing once that vegetation starts to thrive. Okay. Sean, did you have anything else? Nope, that's it. Great. Thank you. Cliff, did you have anything? Of course they do. Just a couple, though. On the layout and materials plan, there's a note about EV spaces, which is good that that's gotten on the plan, but it conflicts with the sustainability letter, because there are four EV spaces indicated on the civil plan and the, and the report that Chris issued said that there will be 11. We're showing 11 on our architectural plan. There's three in the lower left-hand corner down there. And then there's another four in the upper right-hand corner of the garage. We'll get that to conform. That's just, yeah, that's just a, that's a miss on my part. Yeah, that's okay. Yeah, that's just a coordination issue. Yeah, that's all. Mike hasn't caught up yet. Okay. I'm slow. Another question is the civil plans on sheet seven. You are showing a gas line into the building. And I know that the sustainability letter talks about heat pump for space heating and cooling. And I'm wondering if you have considered going all electric in the building, including domestic cow water production? We have a cliff. The gas line is, again, another one of those, Mike's plan hasn't caught up. We had a gas line shown for a rooftop generator in the event that we didn't have the proper flows to support fire protection. And we needed to have a pump system with the high pressure line and the high degree of confidence we have all the flows that we need. We prefer to get rid of the generator and the gas line. So we're not intending to have a gas line at all. And again, Mike's plans just have to catch up. Terrific. Okay. You read through kind of what I was hoping you'd say. The next question on sheet seven. You're showing a number of street cuts out into Mass Ave. I just don't know what level of restoration that the city will require. And I'm bringing this up just so you've got the right budget. You know, if it's been recently paved, they may want you to do a very long stretch or longer stretch versus crunch cuts into the street. So I'm just bringing that up. Mr. Chair, if I may, I believe that was one of Sean's most recent comments, which I just need to again, to use Paul's words catch up on, but he talked about kind of making this all one, one bigger cut. I'm not going to, I don't know was I can't remember verbatim. So, but it's a comment that I'll need to address with Sean. So thank you for bringing it up. Okay. And last comment is only a kind of a bridge over to back to the sustainability letter, which is a note about domestic. Well, it says domestic hot water will be individually metered. So maybe that implies that I just didn't understand that one, where the domestic hot water would be individually individually metered. I get that if that's an electric sort of on-demand heat system, but you're not talking about having a water meter for each issue. Are you or are you? No, no, the point is, is that the utility cost is going to be unit specific. And that prompts people to be more conscious of how they're using it because they're they're directly paying for it. We find that when you, but it's not a general expense usage tends to be more prudent. And that's good for the environment. Yeah, okay. That was all I came up with this this afternoon. Thank you. Thank you. Are there any other questions from the from the board? Mr. Chairman. Mr. Hanlon. This is the first time I've said anything actually since I'm here. And I will say that I'm disappointed that I didn't see the sustainability letter before the hearing. And I guess that has to do with everybody hurrying and sometimes things are happening at the last minute. But I must say that from what I've heard about it from Cliff and others, I'm very pleased at the back that we have it. And I'm very pleased at the direction in which all of this is going. And I'd like to commend the applicant for paying attention to these issues. They are very important and they increasingly are going to be at the forefront of the way we evaluate buildings. And and the applicant has done a pretty good job on this from what I can tell. Now, of course, I'll read it like Chris and then have a lot of things next time. But in general, it seems like a terrific move in the right direction in planning these projects. And I'd like to commend the applicant. Thank you so much. Thank you. Are there other comments from the board? Seeing none. Mr. Fellow, I believe this is the this is the final section of information you had wanted to present this evening. Is that correct? Right. So, Mike, you could stop sharing your screen. Yeah, the applicant's presentation for what we plan to do tonight. We're complete. Okay. Thank you. In that case, I did just want to briefly give the public an opportunity to comment on this on this last piece of the hearing. Again, if you would like to address the board as it relates specifically to the changes to the civil plan that's presented, you know, over the last half hour or so, you may raise your hand using the raise hand feature in the participants tab or excuse me, that'll start nine if you're calling in. So if there are any members of public who wish to address this section of the hearing, please indicate your desire at this point. And I do not see anyone raising their hand. So I will go ahead and close the public hearing, excuse me, the public comment period for this section of the hearing. All right. So thank you for that. So that sort of brings to an end of the new information we had wanted to bring forward this evening. As we mentioned earlier, the board had received over the last 24 hours the set of revised plans from the applicant as well as the project sustainability letter. And we are in the process of getting those distributed and up on the website posted to the agenda. So I would like to discuss those at the next hearing. So I just sort of taking a quick note of things that I think would be helpful to discuss. And I think it would be good for us to discuss at this stage what information the board is still looking for from the applicant. And then to discuss a little bit with Mr. Haverty, sort of what our next steps should be to make sure that we are, you know, gathering all the information that we need and that we are, you know, approaching the end of the public hearing portion of the review of this comprehensive permit appropriately. So what I had on my list was to discuss the sustainability memo to go over the revised drawings. I do want to touch on historically significant structures. One of these two buildings is listed as a, on the town's historic inventory. And the board should discuss that. I have been in conversations with the special services and the historic commission in regards to these properties. There is, there was a demolition permit file on this property. And we're trying to determine the status of that application so that we completely understand exactly what the current situation is so that should the board be looking to grant the requested waiver in regards to demolition delay that the board is making in a form decision based on what the current situation is of that demolition permit that had previously been filed. And then I do want to spend some time discussing the proposed waivers so that those, so that those, we have a chance to make sure that the board understands what is being requested in the list of waivers. The list of waivers were initially filed at the time of the application. Those are available on the town's website. And I only have one update, Mr. Chair, a request on waiver on the INI financial contribution. I meant to update the waiver list before tonight, but I'll make sure I get it done so it gets posted while in advance. I just got to find the right by-law reference. Okay. And Mr. Chairman, are there any other changes to the waiver list that result from the changes to the design? Yeah, there's one. I mean, we were asking for a waiver on setbacks, but we're no longer going to need that waiver because we're setback compliant. So that's a change going in the other direction. So that should just be updated to reflect? Yeah, I'll go through the waiver list. I'll delete what we're now no longer needing a waiver for and I'll add the INI and double check with Mike Novak and with Chris Mohr to make sure we didn't miss anything else. Is that something we could receive within the week? Yes, I should be able to turn that around pretty easily. Okay. Mr. Chairman. Yes. During the course of the evening, there have been a number of occasions in which Mr. Feldman or others have said, well, we could deal with that with the condition. And I at least can't at this moment reconstruct all of the places where that happened. But as we're getting really close to the end, it would be helpful, I think, to the board if the applicant could review what they've said and what we've talked about here and where there has been a suggestion for a condition if the applicant could provide proposed language that we could work with, either maybe the next time or the time after, but it would be helpful to have that begin to get nailed down as we get into the process of considering what goes into the comprehensive permit itself. And it seems to me that we're getting a little close enough that we should be thinking about making that transition. Absolutely. And Mr. Chairman, to piggyback on that, I think it would also be helpful to have Sean and Cliff provide any recommended conditions that they think should be added as well. Paul, I usually put mine in my letters in closing out comments. So just go back in the record. But the closing stages, I'll sort of consolidate all my thoughts and suggest once. That would be helpful. Thank you. Mr. Chairman, if I could just take one step further, I'm very sensitive to the fact that once we go into the deliberation stage, we can't get any new information. And it would be very helpful, actually, if the applicant and the town's experts could work together to make sure that by the time we finish, we know where there's an agreement and where there's a disagreement on conditions. I would like to make sure that anything that Sean produces, Paul has had a chance to review and tell us whether he thinks that's fine or whether he thinks it would be fine if something else happened or whether he thinks it's an abomination. And just so we know, because again, I'm very sensitive to how we get into the actual deliberation process and everybody looks at everybody else and tries to remember what it was that we said about that. And it takes a lot of time and it's a frustrating process. So anything we can do to get this all clear before the bell rings and we have to go into the deliberation would be helpful. Absolutely. And partly to that end, too. I did, I met this morning with Colleen Rawlson, who's our new ZBA assistant. And she's been working with a company to get the meetings transcriptions taken care of. That was something that we had requested be funded at the end of the previous hearing. And so that is underway. And so I don't know the timeline on that at this point, but we will get those distributed as soon as they are available. And in the meantime, I've got 12 pages of notes from tonight. So whenever, whenever somebody mentioned the word condition, I've got a note on that. So Chris, if I can ask, I'm happy to propose condition language. I do it all the time. I'm happy to coordinate with Sean and Cliff so that to the extent we can agree upon condition language and the board knows that it's, as Mr. Halen said, it's an accepted condition. We're happy to do that. And if you can take a few minutes, I know this is a burden on your part, but if you could take it a few minutes where you've identified a reference to condition where you're expecting to see one. And even if it's just a bullet list on an email, if you get us that bullet list, we can, we'll know what, we'll know what you're getting at and we could, we could propose a condition. So that way we, we sort of advance Mr. Halen's suggestion so that we're as complete as possible. The other thing that, that I think we'll benefit from is because we hope to be at the concom on March 16th, we'll begin to hear, you know, specific order of condition type conditions, which we'll get under the Statement on Protection Act, but will conform, I'm sure the board's going to want to conform its local order of conditions so that we have a common set. Right. Mr. Chair, can I ask a quick question? Yes, sir. Do you by chance have a past decision, comprehensive permit decision that I could look at just as a sort of a road map to where you've been and where you'd like to go? Absolutely. So if you go to the ZBA's website, the cover heads of permit decision, I believe the decisions for Thorntag Place and 1165R Massav are both posted there. If we don't get those, I'll check as well and if they're not there, I'll just forward them to you. Okay, thanks. Great. The Thorntag Place one is insanely thorough, so the 1165R one is a little more manageable. So is the more manageable one the direction you're planning on taking? We'll have to see. That sounds good. Are there other things we should be keeping in mind heading into this next hearing? I think you've covered everything that I can think of, Paul. Okay. Yeah, I think you're right. I mean, the only other thing that we'll ask both Mike Novak, Chris Moharn, and Kyle Zeig, they'll, we're going to ask them to make sure they spend a few minutes making sure that all their plans conform. You know, these things sequence and we've tried to keep this process moving. It's been very important to the applicant. We appreciate how well the board has moved with us since we've gotten going because it's a very expensive process. So over the next couple of weeks, we'll ask Chris, Mike, and Kyle to really scrub their drawings to make sure we have a conforming set so that we don't have issues like Cliff brought up about one set of drawings potentially being inconsistent with another set. Okay. No, that's definitely appreciated. Is there anything else to discuss on this this evening? If not, the next scheduled hearing for this comprehensive permit would be Thursday, March 9th, 2023 at 7.30 p.m. I would just note for the board and the public that the comprehensive permits hearing, the public hearings have to conclude within 180 days of there being initiated. That 180 day is April 16th. So we've got a little bit of time left, but we are definitely getting to the end of that period. But at this stage, barring any major changes, I don't see the need that we would need to extend that period by any stretch. And then once the public hearing has been closed, the board has 40 days to issue its final decision, its final written decision. And those meetings, because the board is no longer allowed to take public testimony, those meetings are public meetings because it is a meeting at the board, but we cannot accept any input by anyone other than the board. And Mr. Haverty, who is helping us to draft the decision. So that's the procedure for us going forward. With that, I would ask, I will move that the- Mr. Chairman. Yes, sir. I just noticed that Ms. Chapnick has her hands up and we want to catch that. I just have a procedural, thank you for recognizing me. I just have a procedural question. You had said when does this need to close by? So the board can only take public testimony while the public hearing is open and the public hearing has to close by April 16th. Okay. I maintain that might be a problem. Okay. Because we are not hearing, we're not opening the notice of intent under the Wetlands Protection Act until March 16th. Okay. And our next meeting after March 16th is April 13th. Ah, okay. And we almost never close in one meeting. I mean, usually we have to ask, you know, just like you do, we, you know, we ask for more information or whatever. And even if we close on the 13th, that might be tight, but we might. I mean, it might just take two meetings. I can't say, but I'm concerned that you, again, that the ZBA does not close their meeting before the Conservation Commission does. Right. So that we have consistent conditions. Okay. Okay. So the board will be, the board, at this meeting, we would be continuing to the 9th of March. You would be meeting on the 16th of March. The board at the, on the 9th of March would be continuing to the 23rd of March. At that point, we should have a better sense about how the initial NOI hearing went. And then if the applicant would be amenable, we, I would like to then discuss at that hearing whether we should extend the public hearing period sufficiently so that we can close at the time of the conclusion of the NOI hearings. Yeah, well, I think your suggestion is a good one. Let's see how the process takes shape. You know, we hope because we have spent some time talking to the Conservation Commission in a pre-application, non-binding informational context that the Conservation Commission is, is not starting from scratch informationally. They sort of understand the project, what we presented to them is not a wholesale, it's not going to be a wholesale change from what we presented to them in a pre-application hearing. So I'm going to root for two public meetings with the CONCOM. I'm going to root for that and have confidence that we're going to be able to get it done, particularly if we have, you know, that month apart where we can supplement with whatever feedback we're going to get from the CONCOM on the 16th. So I think it's just premature to figure out what kind of extension, if any, we're going to need. If there is an extension needed, we're really going to ask that it be kept to a minimum. I think I've mentioned before under our perks and sale agreements, we're paying monthly extension fees for permitting and it's a, I'm not going to say it's a money pit, but it's challenging. No, certainly understood. And I think the anticipation is that it would not be an extended continuation. It would really just be to the point that we can, you know, understand what the conclusion of the NOI process is before the board closes the public hearing. And we appreciate the CONCOM willing to consider our NOI prior to the completion of the comprehensive permit precisely for the coordination. So we're doing this purposefully. So let's make sure we accomplish the goal. Absolutely. Great. Thank you. And thank you, Mr. Chairman. I appreciate that. And with that, I think we are prepared. So I will move to continue the public hearing for the residences at Millbrook until Thursday, March 9th, 2023 at 7.30 p.m. We have a second second. Thank you, Mr. Hanlon. So this is a roll call vote of the board to continue with this public hearing on the residences at Millbrook until Thursday, March 9th, 2023 at 7.30 p.m. Mr. DuPont. Hi, Mr. Hanlon. Hi. Mr. Riccadelli. Hi. Ms. Hoffman. Hi. Mr. Holly. Nope, I see you. I see you mouthing hi. There we go. And the chair votes aye. So we are continued on the public hearing for the residences at Millbrook until Thursday, March 9th, 2023 at 7.30 p.m. Excellent. Thank you. Thank you all very much for that. Just at the board, before we close the full meeting, just for the board, so we will be our meeting next Tuesday, the 28th at 7.30 p.m. We have four hearings on the docket. One of them is a continuance, which is 189 Forest Street. One of them was a delayed application, which was originally scheduled to be heard on the 14th, but in order to receive proper completed application, that has been moved to the 28th, so that will be heard as well. And then there are two additionals that are on the docket for the 28th. One is 212 Pleasant Street and the other one is 20, I think it's the name of the street in the industrial district off of Mass Ave. So those will be going forward. I actually have a conflict on the 28th at the start of the meeting, so I will be unable to attend the start of the meeting. Pat will be taking over at the start. Also, I have a conflict with 212 Pleasant Street. I assisted the realtor at the time of the purchase and sale with some questions regarding the property and what some of the town bylaws are, and so I don't think it's appropriate that I hear that case. So I've asked Pat to go ahead and that that might be a good case to start with, and then I can all join the meeting as possible, and then the board can conclude 212 Pleasant Street, and then I can join in afterwards. So that's our hearing for the 28th, and then as we said, before we have comprehensive permit on March 9th, and we'll likely also have it on March 23rd as well. So that is our upcoming schedule. So with that, I would like to thank you all for your participation in tonight's meeting of the Arlington Zoning Board of Appeals. I appreciate everyone's patience throughout the meeting. I would especially like to thank Colleen Ralston and Vincent Leith for all their assistance in preparing for this online meeting. I have please note the purpose of the board's recording this meeting is to ensure the creation of an accurate record of its proceedings. It is our understanding the recording made by ACMI will be available on demand at acmi.tv within the coming days, and if anyone has comments or recommendations, please send them via email to zbaatown.arlington.ma.us. That email address is also listed on the Zoning Board of Appeals website. And to conclude tonight's meeting, I would ask for a motion to adjourn. So moved, Mr. Chairman. Second. Thank you, Mr. DuPont. So we'll call the vote of the board to adjourn tonight's hearing. Mr. DuPont. Aye. Mr. Hanlon. Aye. Ms. Hoffman. Aye. Mr. Holly. Aye. Mr. Riccadelli. Aye. And the chair votes aye. We are adjourned. Thank you all very much. Good night, everyone. Good night. Thank you.