 poke క్క్న్ంద్స్కసాతెరారంస్యైన్దక౏కొదొింలువిన్ప౔న్రంవన్లుదారిరార్ప్రత౅త్వార్న్న్ంద్న్నయైరాంద్కొరిన్నార్నత్న్నార్ర్న we begin to assess the beaver and all of a sudden in previous elections we've not heard that people still in beaver of machine but this time we hear that people are smashing beaver of machine so that's another thing the security agent need to look at because now they are seeing beavers and obstruction toward the normality so instead of smashing the ball but you have snapped the beaver of machine and it's as good as putting us in taking place there so we need to improve on security and for me that's what I think I think we still have Abraham online Abraham can you hear me yes I can I'm sorry we forgot that you were still on so you know that you're back looking at all of the conversations that we've had I have some data and statistics here with me federal elections, turnout projections across the country I'll just quickly take a look at some of them if we can get that on our screen right now we have for Sakato 71% of turnouts and early arrival there was Niger state had 100% early arrival and we also had 100% in Kanu 33% in Bauti, Gombe had 50% let's come down south down south Koshiver state is the only state on the map that was able to record 100% river state had 67% I also had 0% Delta state had 50% early arrival of materials and turnout so the statistics seems to be incredible in some parts and in some other parts it's dwindling and for an election such as this that people have somewhat either have decided to come out and vote for different reasons either because they're tired they want good governance or because you know they've come of age or come to an understanding that their vote is their right to be able to ask for accountability one would have thought that people will come out unmasked especially with the new entrance of young people who are a high percentage of the voters for this election first allow me to touch on two things before I deal with that question part of your discussion in the room I see from the previous participant that there are some anomalies you know in the election in terms of violation of the electoral act and it's important to know particularly for people who are running for you know out of revs, cemetery and so even the presidency that there are provisions within the act for respite or for remedy in court so if people and people that are still your viewers who are still watching at this moment who are at different polling units I have sufficient video evidence to say that section 123, section 124 I think section 123 deals with offence relating to election any form of offence and section 24 deals with bribery and section 125 deals with undue influence section 126 deals with election offences each of these things carry even up imprisonment so people should be careful and people should also get as much evidence as sometimes the election is not over until it's over sometimes there are respite and remedies in court so as many people that are out there and they can capture evidence of anomalies, malpractices and violation of the electoral act this is the reason why we fought hard to have an electoral act secondly you spoke about the revolution and in my view it is very important that we have a change of mindset and regulate particularly through the media the languages that we use I think what might be going on in Nigeria or what is going on in Nigeria is an agitation rather than a revolution now I'm seeing this because one of the problem we had in terms of stakeholder's engagement when we got involved with the panels or get involved with members of the panels different panels that were set up after NSAS and even during NSAS you know interacting with stakeholders in the country it comes across as the current executive or administrators were at some point thinking that this was an insurrection or an attempt to overthrow now we are a democracy and there are processes and our youth are enlightened it is not necessarily that our youth want to overthrow our government we're not going back into anarchy but our youth are agitated because people are suffering there are all kinds of things that are going on in the country and people are expressing so I see what is going on in Nigeria more as an agitation than a revolution because in a revolution it's like we want to torpedo the current system we want to remove them by force no we are saying or people are saying or the youth are saying that they need to cater for citizens they need to obey at least mass law hierarchy of need they need to take care of the physiological need of the human being in Nigeria now going back to your last question in terms of voter's apathy I doubt very significantly that there will be anywhere anywhere in the world let alone in Nigeria where there will be 100% turnout and this in some cases might be ways that political parties or members people that are on the ballot box may already write attendance record that is not even there there is no where in the world where there will be 100% turnout because some people might die before the time some people might be in the hospital some people might just not be able to and the election is not over yet for us to be able to categorically say that there is 100% turnout but relatively this election has come across to me as a successful one like my colleague in the studio said let me look at some researches did a little what I read out at first was protection but then a few people who were in the field today were asked about the turnout first question was did materials arrive on time 41% for the 1.3% people said yes 58.7% said no is the turnout high or moderate 32.5% said it was moderate 41.3% said it was high and 7.1% said it was low also the other question was that are there any insecurity issues 96.1% voted yes while 96.1% voted no while 3.9% voted yes so we have 3.9% of relative peace at polling units and 91. we have more insecurity and what does this say about this election as much as we are saying that it is successful to borrow your word can we really have a successful election Abraham if we have 91.6% or more saying that the elections were clouded or rather marred by insecurity I think we have to wait for the empirical evidence matters a lot in making conclusions and assertions about the election and I retract what I said but relatively there is so much fear and trepidation ahead of this election that we thought this election might not even hold we thought all kinds of things and what we have seen there is pockets of chaos here and there but it comes across that there has been an ambience 96% saying no there has been no insecurity is a huge success however that is I don't know what the scope of the data that you have because I am very interested in data so if you have only pulled one or two polling units that will not be sufficient out of 8000 200 and something polling units in the country so we might want to have a broader that is an excellent job that your station has done by the way I think we will need that data more across the board I am sorry Abraham it is not plus TV Africa that did that research it is a group of researchers called SBM intelligence so they gather intelligence from across the country that is spread across the 36 states including the FCT so it will then matter to me again to see who they are what their background is if the data that they gather how they what kind of methodology they use in gathering the data and how viable are those data because in Nigeria we are extremely frivolous about statistics we are extremely bogus about claims so we say things like Nigeria is the airquarter of poverty in the world where Nigeria is not even the first 50 poor country in the world but we throw data out just to be able to create all kinds of opinions in the country and it matters to me that our data is accurate but if that data is accurate relatively 96.1% saying no there is no insecurity is a huge success I don't think even America that we copy democracy is from can say that they had 80% good in terms of insecurity there are always election all over the world like I always believe there is a causation between elections and terrorism I believe that one of the biggest problem of this world is election process election brings pandemic and election brings war hold on to the last part of it but unfortunately it might be the realities of today before we let you go gentlemen we hear that elections are still holding in several places it still might continue tomorrow so it might take a while for us to get to the results here but looking at the elections that we are going to have for the governorship and state houses of assembly what should I need to quickly learn from this process from today everything that has happened is not new everything it always happens so there must be something they are not doing well they need to begin to improve on their logistic they need to begin to improve on their security they need to begin to improve on their movement of their sensitive materials these problems are not new problems so if something that is just jacking up new problems then they begin to come in late and then people are not able to vote then they are trained late to the night they don't make provision for power for them to vote all these things are in existence remember this is not the first election they have done a round out of it they even did a mock election so definitely the challenges are still the same challenges that we have been having since INEC is conducting an election so that brings me back to what I keep saying there must be a system, there must be a procedures way way how you go about your elections you need to come up with a procedure is it A, B, C, D this is what you need to look at these are objective this is what must be there if all these things are not rocket science then INEC has a lot to do because whatever is happening now is not new alright maybe we should have one last word from Abraham the great because Mukta feels that INEC has been with this process for years they have conducted elections for a long time and these issues have been coming up over the years and is not really new issues of logistics issues of moving sensitive materials we had a guest earlier on he went historically and said Fedeco back in the day used to have their own vehicles so these issues of a later rival of materials would have been forethought if INEC had their own vehicles and all of that do you agree? I agree totally with my colleague in the studio I think I more or less agree with everything that he has said today very great man in the studio but saying that in project management we always say that there is no absolute project we use different systems to be able to measure success and I would not know what system INEC we use like for example you can use system like Six Sigma to be able to measure what the success rate and what can be done afterwards to make the next election better but there is something I will commend INEC for I think since the time of president Goodluck Jonathan Nigeria has led even the world even America were not even as techie as what we went in 2015 and now with the introduction of beavers in the UK we don't even have that and now with electronic transmission and the next thing I want to hear in the next 4, 8 years 12 years is that Nigerians don't even need to come up they can post it or they can just the same way you vote on the phone all of these things can be tried we are moving ahead of the world in terms of that so we will need this election to conclude before we can begin to make proper recommendations to INEC but so far from what I am saying as a kudos to INEC particularly you know the way that they have conducted themselves so far but we don't know more issues that we may hear thank you so much for speaking with us thank you so much for spending the time with us we love these moments where we have to talk about Nigeria and the elections we are looking forward to see what happens in the coming days and hopefully the coalition of resource thank you so much gentlemen it is still the ballot 2023 we will take a break we will be back with more development as we get ready to hear from the INEC chairman in a few hours