 Call the 23rd meeting of the 2012-2013 Common Council to order Will the clerk call? Will the clerk read the code of the day? Thank you, Mayor It's amazing how much can be accomplished if no one cares who gets the credit all the role, please It's not there. There it is. Thank you. Oh I am here 16 present for Ms. President will Alderman Donahue lead us in the pledged To the flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands one nation under God Indivisible with liberty and justice for all Thank you for approval of the minutes Alderman Hammond Thank you, I move to approve the minutes of the previous council meeting I get it's been moved and seconded to approve the minutes of the previous council meetings that are changes or additions See none clerk will call the roll 16 eyes Motion carries City clerk is there anyone for the public forum tonight? Yes, there would be We have a full schedule tonight First on our list is Henry Nelson Henry if you could come up to the mic Please Henry can I get your home address? My home address is 1926 settlement trail Sheboygan, Wisconsin And you will have five minutes sir. Thank you May have an accurate members of the Common Council and citizens of Sheboygan My name is Henry Nelson. I am vice president of the Meade Public Library Board of Trustees I want to talk to you tonight about the future of our public library Along with Blue Harbor the Wild Center the Children's Museum and the John Michael Kohler Art Center It is one of the gems of the downtown area of Sheboygan Every day we have newcomers or prospective newcomers to our city Visit our library and they're amazed at the building and the variety of services we provide From the approximate 1 million checkouts and check-ins to our Jerome Moss teen center To our youth reading programs to the availability of computer services Not just for games, but for research and job seeking We run the gamut of services for every age and need for over for over the 43,300 card carrying patrons In addition, we continue our collection enhancement collection includes books audio books large print books children's books teens books periodicals microfilm DVDs and of course e-content material and as e-books continue to grow in popularity The allocation of money to the above continues to strain budget Our goal is to allocate 15% of our operating budget for collection enhancement But of course these services and acquisitions have a cost in an effort to keep these costs affordable To the city taxpayers we have over the years become more automated and More efficient in the delivery of services in the past seven years We have reorganized staff functions and have been able to reduce our staff from 62 FTE to about 42 FTE a word of explanation FTE means full-time equivalent We have 42 full-time positions But some positions are filled by two or more part-time people with savings because of many of our part-timers have no benefits We have purchased and installed Automated checkout kiosks that have already served over four million transactions since their installation We are in the process of exploring automated check-ins and delivery systems But our journey towards more automated handling and efficiency also has costs capital costs So in these budgetary tight times, we are being asked to do more with less The 3% cut in our budget as proposed by the strategic fiscal planning committee will create an additional burden to our already challenged allocation deliberations and Is it fear to the library to have to bear a 3% cut while other city departments will not receive the 3% cut to their budgets? The bottom line will be Will we cut valuable services to our city taxpayers? Or will we struggle to maintain an adequate and up-to-date collection of materials? That is the question that the library board will deal with in the face of more budget cuts Thank you. Thank you, Henry Next on our list is Mike brunette Mike. Can I get your home address, please? 1925 South 26th Street And you will have five minutes sir rolling on all right Start with a little look at some technology Hitler just lost the war and we just rolled out the new bell telephone system portable phone You can go and dial from us Phone booth now big deal right and it's like you go on but ten years later You go through the years the next year roll out in our big tech issue look magazine We now have dialogue for help you can dial the operator for the first time you go a couple years down the road It's the princess Ford you go three more years You have three colors of phone. This is 15 years of innovation in the United States because you have Basically zero choice if you wanted a phone you got an AT&T phone. It used to be one few models now it's thousands of models and it's like and on that note I have something that I actually talked to Dave Bebel about and have almost all my answers already But I had in a form of questions about at D land park the proposed kiosk That's going on there I think it's cool idea and to be able to sell stuff there and have little whatever he's gonna do and to rent out Boats and such but where my concern comes in with things like this is that we have businesses that already do this and It's in a way parasitic where you have you a sports They're sitting at the mall and they have issues where they're gonna and I you know talking to Dave It's like he's talked to them. He can bring his own proposal up forward. That's his his business But my opinion when they go forward to something like this and it may be a nice interesting idea And I don't really see any harm in it But it would be one of those to look at what we already have locally and see if we can work with that And that's just my opinion. Thank you Thank you, Mike Next on the list is Maeve Quinn Maeve, can I have your home address, please? And you have five minutes. Thank you very much Good evening everyone. I'm Erin Akron and all the persons and citizens of Sheboygan As I already share my name is Maeve Quinn and I am the president of the board of trustees of Mead Public Library and My colleague a little earlier this evening sort of ended his comments with a question for you to consider Regarding the future of our fine library The budget process has certainly been quite a struggle for our city these last few years and it has impacted our library in recent years It concerns me greatly that only Mead Public Library has been singled out for a three percent cut to its budget So before you all consider the decision to cut the library by three percent I would like to take a moment to talk about the library budget At a joint finance committee meeting last year the library board shared with the city finance committee That the continued reductions to the library these last five years has resulted in our 2013 budget allocation being less than what was appropriated to the library in 2001 We're in 2013 now 2001 in 2001 the city funding was two million 575 thousand five hundred forty dollars in 2013 the city funding is two million three hundred thousand three hundred seventy seven thousand fifty three dollars This is a net loss of one hundred ninety eight thousand four hundred eighty seven dollars seven percent less Over the years the library has taken some steps to handle the budget cuts All of our employees have had a pay freeze for three years 2010 to 2012 all of our employees have had an almost two percent pay reduction due to furlough days from 2009 to 2012 this is four years of pay reduction For over five years our employees have been paying 15 percent of their health care and As mentioned earlier by my colleague We've had to reduce staff over the years back in 1989. We actually had sixty seven point five full-time time equivalencies And now we are at forty three point two full-time equivalency Last year in response to concern from all the persons at our joint finance committee meeting the library budget in 2013 did not utilize furlough days to help balance its budget The Board of Trustees agreed that other cuts would need to be made in 2013 but in the 2013 budget instead of furlough days the elimination of the furlough days in 2013 will result in improved access to me public library for all of our citizens Which is a really good thing? It will also allow our staff our staff not to experience an almost two percent reduction We say have been having since 2009 All of you already know that citizens greatly value the services of me public library I know that you've looked at the numbers. You probably heard me share the numbers with you over the years But the numbers really do tell a story over 30,000 of our citizens hold a library card and there are over 340,000 visits a year and again, I just have to say that number because it's a big number 340,000 visits this translates to 120 visits each hour that we're open This is extraordinary for a city of our side the citizens are truly using this valuable city service So tonight as you consider the plan or the proposal to put to cut the library budget by three percent I've attempted to really follow the mission of the me public library, which is to inform Educate enlighten Inspire, thank you. Thank you, ma'am And Lastly, it'll be Jack Vandewil Jack and I have your home address, please and 7012 Riverwoods Drive And you will have five minutes sir. Thank you My name is Jack Vandewil a 24 year dedicated employee of the city of Sheboygan I would like to speak about the HR salary and grievance recommendation About the matters laid over 8.2 This proposal is creating a new salary range This will lower all pay ranges for existing employees I'm guessing that over half of the current employees will be redlined If a person deserves a merit raise these redlined employees would only get a half of a raise This would be in the form of a bonus check the base pay will never be raised This amount is what retirement and social security rates are based on in my case Even if I work another 10 years my three highest years are behind me Also with act 10. I am making 10% less than I was before Governor Walker asked for two things that employees pay for over half of their half of their retirement and 12.5% of their health insurance costs Which we are doing Since act 10 the city has added another 13 things to take away pay and benefits. This would be number 14 Please don't penalize your existing experienced employees. Thank you for your time. Thank you, Jack And that'll be it Thank you When our mirrors announcements today First of all, I'd like to thank Dave Bebel the head of our public works department and all the employees from public works The big storm we had last week was something that we haven't had for quite a while here in the city And I stopped down and saw the guys on the second day And there's a lot of tired people there a lot of people that have put in a lot of time I want to thank the citizens for their patience It was trying for all of us I'm sure we all got calls about how the roads were and things but I can tell you the guys were out there doing a Good job and doing their best that they could I want to thank them publicly For their time and their effort and again, thank the public for their patience Hopefully tonight, we're not going to get the big storm that they were predicting it sounds like Milwaukee and Kenosha are gonna get it They can have it We've had enough for this year, but thanks guys for the work that you did Also tonight. I want to thank of the fiscal strategic fiscal planning Ford that met last week and set some goals for 2014. You're gonna be looking at that tonight It's establishing that we look at and ask the department heads to come back with a 2013 budget of 2014 budget. That's the same as the 2014 budget. I think it's a good goal to set It's gonna be tough. We have three police officers that are currently under a State grant and we don't want to lose those and I hope that in the next few weeks or months We can figure out ways to both keep those police officers online Continue to fund our library and continue to do fun things like our senior center But still be able to keep our taxes and our and our fees at the rate that they are currently So thank you guys for starting out ahead of time and setting a good goal But there's a lot of work to be done yet and Good for starting out early. I also want to thank Alderman born for that night He brought in some information about our health insurance and our premiums on the health insurance and how they related to other cities and Throughout the whole nation and our health insurance benefits and how our Rates compared to others. I think that's one place. We need to look Thank you for bringing that information forward and presenting that the committee is one thing that they should take a look at And we should all take a look at any other ideas in the budget. Please feel free all of you please feel free to Forward those things and we'll continue to pass them on to strategic and to finance and new committees as we work through this budget Consent agenda to one through two seven Sorry Alderman Hammond Thank You mr. Mayor I moved to accept and file all our O's accept and adopt all our season past all resolutions I can't spend move and second to accept and adopt all our O's All committee reports and past all resolutions under discussion Alderman Donahue Thank You mayor, I would move that 2.2 be pulled for a separate vote It's been moving seconded that 2.2 be pulled For a separate vote. We'll vote on that that one first under discussion for 2.0 To a resolution from Alderman Hammond item in Van Akron and Vander wheelie establishing guidelines for department submissions for the 2004 budget Alderman Donahue Thank You Well, I'll be voting for this particular resolution My concern is I have had a number of phone calls from folks who think that the city budget has already been passed And I think it's real important for us to keep in mind that this is an initial Shot over the bow as it were as Mayor van Akron said I think it's an excellent start to the budgeting process When I as a brand-new alder person went through the budgeting process last year I Was concerned about the what I would call budgeting for dummies and by that I mean that they're at Important times in the budget process. There did not seem to be enough information Available to us and so we walk that fine line between being a policy-setting board and Not being inundated with figures and on the other side being presented with two columns of numbers and saying This is what you get to vote on so just to bring into sharp relief that this is the beginning of our budgeting process No decisions have been made the council has a real critical role in how the budget is developed and eventually passed and Just to reassure folks that the budget's not done figures are not cast in stone and we do have an important role as council people in terms of Making decisions about our budget. Thanks Alderman Hammond Thank You mr. Mayor and I just want to echo that as chair of the finance committee and chair of strategic fiscal This is the early stages of this process Again, we have to start somewhere and this is where we're starting With all the departments this budget will make many there'll be many changes and many morphs to this thing before We hit next November So I do want to put as Alderman Donahue had indicated everybody's minded ease There is no preconceived notion. There is no hidden agenda here We wanted to start the process early as I wanted to last year Because we know these things get messy and convoluted and we wanted to make sure we have the time to do it the right way so Again, I'm supporting this because we need to start somewhere and this is the place to start Thank You Alderman Hammond So we'll be voting on two two first and the motion is to Accept and adopt the committee's report and pass the resolution We should probably get a motion from somebody She wants a separate motion to pass the resolution absolutely I move we put the resolution upon its passage back and it's been moved seconded to have the resolution be put upon its Passage any further discussion Yeah, he wants to talk on something else though Oh Okay Let go call the roll 16 eyes Motion carries Alderman Erasler. Thank you beeping away here. I'd like to pull two seven as well It's been moved in seconded to pull two seven forward All the men race alert under discussion under discussion. I Obviously live in the district one with the Eisner Avenue project and a lot of constituents call regarding sort of questions, but just some of the Assessments that were done and talked with attorney McLean and understand that everything is legal to do. I don't doubt that It's just that some of the things seem For the residents and myself to be not quite fair with some corner lots and some property that abuts the city and stuff like that Situant so I'm not gonna support Support it. All right Any other discussion on two seven We'll need a separate motion then on two seven from public works I'm Alderman Bellender. I'm sorry I've got a question for attorney McLean regarding this I too live in the first district and have Share the same kind of phone calls and questions regarding the project when The residents have the opportunity for the public hearing or that will there be any? Any type of Action based on that their concerns complaints issues that they're brought up Well, they will they be addressed separately at that at that point in time and getting back to them or is Passing what we're about to pass Does that set in stone no matter what they what? Grievances are heard at the public hearing. It doesn't really matter because we've already passed this city attorney this resolution is to Declare Cities intent to exercise police power to levy special assessments It doesn't set the assessments the specific dollar amount for the assessments that that is yet to come And there is a public hearing on that and the citizens will have an opportunity to speak and the council will have an opportunity to adjust them if they if you see fit Bear in mind that the it's an expensive project and the costs are gonna have to come from somewhere and Special assessments in the past have been viewed as a fair way to do it, but That's something that the council decides on That answer your question. Yes. Thank you all of them in Hammond. Thank you, mr. Mayor I hate to put my colleague on the spot But if maybe alderman Reisler could explain what some of the issues are specific to this project I'd be greatly appreciated Sherman racer some of the issues that and again, it's turning the cleaner can maybe enlighten to properties that a but the city-owned properties that are on Iser Avenue actually are responsible for the The curb and gutter and and different things that we have to do my neighbor specifically Is gonna be responsible for for property that number one he doesn't want Number two it isn't his it belongs to the city, but because he is right next to in a but stat land Where the new construction is gonna go? He's responsible for the snow shoveling the grass cutting and also the $10,000 roughly assessment for itself again perfectly legal, but just the way that it goes just Kind of a tough pill to swallow And your question. Thank you Any other questions? We'll be voting on two seven the report of the committee to accept and adopt and pass the attached resolution Click call the roll David I'm clicking it and it's not gone Corey. It's all your fault It's an omen Okay There's always All right, this is on 2.7 Dillinger I Warren I Carlson I Decker I Donahue I Hammond. Hi. Hi to men. Hi Cot. Hi, Lissard. Hi, Lunduski. Hi Maddachek I racelor Okay, I agree. Hi Vanderweel I verse II and long of it 15 eyes and one no I'm sorry. No, did you say no or yes Scott? That's what I thought okay, no, that's right Motion carries now we'll vote on two one through two six minus not including two tubes There any discussion on those? Clerk will call the roll somehow I Decker I Donahue. Hi Hammond. Hi Hi to me. Hi. Hi, Lissard. Hi, Lunduski. Hi Maddachek. Hi racelor. Hi Van Ackman. Hi, Vanderweel. Hi, Percy. Hi, Wonderman Belanger I Motion carried three one and two three two will be referred The reports of committees for one through four five will be referred Resolutions introduced five won a resolution from Alderman Handman providing a sale of three million dollar water utility revenue bonds Alderman Hammond. Thank you. Mr. Mayor. I move to put the resolution upon his passage second They moved and seconded that the resolution be put upon his passage. Is there any discussion? I'll been born Thank You mayor Is there any information on What the interest rate is going to be on these bonds and they are we just proposing the sale or is it already gone through? Alderman Hammond. Thank you. I don't believe the interest rates been set that gets set when the bond actually goes to issue I don't know if we do we have a date for that yet? April 3rd, and that's when the interest rate would be done in the auction. Thank you. You're welcome Any other questions all on board? No, that's it. Any questions of the council? Hearing none the clerk will call the roll. We'll do the clicker clicker back to the clicker modern technology Michael 16 eyes Motion carries Six to report a committee from public works recommending setting a deadline for April 1st I'm sorry Five to a resolution by Alderman Vanda Really authorizing city attorney to engage in services for outside legal counsel to represent the law and licensee committee and the council on a coalition Hearing of Abbey Taxi Alderman Vanda really Think I move that the Actually, I would like to suspend the rules Been moved seconded to suspend the rules under suspension only We'll vote on the suspension Click follow all 16 eyes Motion carries Alderman Vanda really Think I move that the resolution be put upon its passage like it's been moved and seconded that the resolution be put upon its passage Is there any discussion? See none clerk will call the roll 16 eyes motion carries By three will lie over by four through five six will be referred Six one committee reports from law and licensing recommending denying taxi license number 97 79 Thank you move the RC be accepted and adopted second It's been moved the seconded that the RC be accepted and adopted under discussion Alderman Vanda is car Riesberg here this evening She's not here. We had invited her term meeting twice and she did not show either time. Is there any other discussion? See none clerk will call the roll 16 eyes Motion carries six to Committee report from public works recommending setting the deadline of April 1st 2013 regarding the vacant shanty at Structure at 705 Riverfront Alderman born Thank you, mayor. I move that the report of committee be accepted and adopted second It's been moved and seconded that the committee report be accepted and adopted under discussion Alderman Mercy I will just quick put this out there. It is We had a big I'll cry for this the last time we talked about this There was an anonymous person that was supposed to step forward never did the reason why we're doing this is Numerous reasons first of all city doesn't have money to restore it the interested parties that we did have Everything fell through with them So we needed to put a deadline to save the city money for one and also to kind of push if someone wants to step forward and Take care of this property. They haven't till April 1st to do so. Thank you Thank you, Alderman Mercy any other discussion see non-clerical call a roll 15 eyes one no motion carries Six three committee report from public works recommending filing documents submitted a communication from Patrick Carroll Requesting permission to set up a kiosk at D land park Alderman born Thank you, mayor. I moved that the report of committee be accepted and adopted second It's been moves seconded that the committee report be accepted and adopted Is there any discussion see none clerk will call the roll 15 eyes one no motion carries Six four committee report from law and licensing denying taxi driver license number 98 70 I move the RCB accepted and adopted Move the seconded that the R Committee report be accepted and adopted Is Derek West here this evening He is not here after the police department gave a negative recommendation we voted five to zero to deny the license So any discussion under the committee report hearing none the clerk will call the roll 16 eyes Motion carries Six five committee report from law and licensing recommending denying taxi license number 98 65 Alderman Vandal will Move the RCB accepted and adopted. It's been moving seconded the RC Be accepted and adopted under discussion Alderman Vandal will is Renee Oakley here this evening She is not we also had negative recommendation for her from the police department and we voted nine or five to zero to deny the license So any other discussion? Hey, none clerk will call the roll 16 eyes motion carries Six six law and licensing recommending denying average license operator license number 98 73 Alderman Vandal will Move the RCB accepted and adopted Then moved and seconded the RCB accepted and adopted under discussion Alderman Vandal is Joshua Orville here this evening He is not the committee denied him four to one based on his recent violations So any other discussion? See none clerk will call the roll 15 eyes one no motion carries six seven The committee report from selling grievance recommending filing documents regarding Extending staffing level limitations now in place for firefighters Alderman Raceler, thank you. Mr. Mayor. I move to accept and adopt file And moved and seconded to adopt and accept the committee report So any discussion? Very none clerk will call the roll 14 eyes to nose motion carries Six seven a community Committee report from souring grievance sorry six eight Committee report from finance recommending filing Resolution state in the city of Sheboygan shall not be allowed to create any new fees or increases Alderman Hammond Thank you. I move the the report of committee be accepted and adopted Sorry, then move and seconded that the committee report be accepted and filed and that the Document be filed Is there any discussion? see none of all Have the clerk call the roll 13 eyes three nose motion carries Seven one through seven five will be referred Eight one on matter slide over Resolution number four one four one 1213 Alderman and Raceler Donahue van der We modify in city residents requirements for all non-represented employees All the men racelift. Thank you. Mr. Ryan move that the resolution be put upon its passage And move the seconded that all that the committee afford And that the resolution be put upon its passage under discussion All of them born Thank You mayor With the government governor's budget proposal to do away with all residency requirements I was going to make some amendments to this To this resolution But I would recommend I would make a motion that this document be put on hold until June And then depending on what the governor does we could take another look at this So I'd make a motion to hold this Second, it's been moved and seconded to hold the resolution until the end of June waiting for the state budget results Discussion on the amendment first Alderman Hammond Thank You mr. Mayor in chatting with attorney McLean just prior to the meeting Since this would be going to a new council. We would need to Move that this gets forwarded to the new council my correct alderman or I mean attorney McLean That would be one option is if the if the Document still in council at the end of the year can't be held into the next council year. So you'd need to Either File the communication file the document now and bring on another one on the new council year or Recommend that it be referred to the new council or to a committee of the new council so that it would stay alive lemon born I would make a motion to refer this document to the salary and grievance committee of the new council second And moved and seconded to refer this document to the salary and grievance committee of the new council Under discussion on that motion alderman van Akkeren I guess I'll need some clarification because I would like to amend the current resolution to basically eliminate the residency Restrictions to follow the governor's lead. So I guess I'd have to refer to Steve as to whether I can make that amendment now if this motion is on the floor or not I believe the referral would take precedence But I can double-check the code While you're checking I'll just talk anyways Again, I think we should follow the governor's lead and Solve this problem now We have many positions that we could fill over the next several months while we're waiting for this decision I think it is something that's coming the governor's made that clear And I think this is something that we can Take the lead on and settle now and let the city move on and let our employees and let the city hire the people that are The most qualified for the position So it'd be my intention to sell this tonight to remove all residency restrictions and let the city move forward Thank you alderman van Akkeren Alderman racelord. Thanks. I'm just wondering can we do a friendly amendment to what mr. Warren Alderman Warren had that would basically let's let's find out first one Or would bring it back to the salaries and grievance if it's needed in the next council in June I mean if we do an amendment to it that gets rid of the residency pending the governor's decision It can always be brought back at that point in time afterwards as far as if he says It gets washed out of the budget. That's not there that we can then address it and look at our different proposals that we have Everything's drawn up for for some kind of a baseline after a while anyway if we decide we want to change it I see the attorney the the motion to commit to a standing committee, which is what this would be Even though it's a subsequent council you would take precedence at the current time so if you don't want to do that if you want to amend the Resolution before you do that and recommend voting down the motion to refer it Then do your amendments if you want and then you could vote again to refer it Alderman-born Well, I was just gonna I was just gonna add to what Alderman van Ackerman said and that is Just because this is in the budget this budget that the governor gave to the legislature is basically a draft and It's far from a done deal just because it's in the budget There's gonna be a lot of discussion on this it can even be pulled from the budget and made into a separate bill and You know that may not be passed until who knows when the end of the year But just because it's in the budget. It's a long way from being passed. It's a draft basically a draft that the legislature is going to be Wrangling over the budget does have to be passed. I believe by either June 1st or June 30th So really we've only got a couple months Being that it's so close That's why I'm making the recommendation that it that we refer it to salary and grievance in the in the next council Thank you Alderman Donahue And I'm just a little confused in the parliamentary thicket. We have two Motions to amend currently pending There's the motion was was the first amendment the first amendment was to change his motion to To send it to a committee in June in of the new council of the and that is still pending That we'll have to vote on first and then there's another motion, however to actually do that to actually do that and I think in Procedurally, I don't know quite how we make our way out of that particular maze But I would strongly support Alderman van Akron's analysis here It is in the budget Why something like this would be in a state budget document? I have no idea But it is I've reviewed the language of the Of the proposed Change to chapter 66. It has the advantage of being very clear Very straightforward and I think solves for us Even if it is not part of the state Law state statutes at this point it solves a really pressing problem for us now Which is we have some critical positions that we need to fill the residency? Requirement is clearly getting in the way of us hiring the best people not talking about department heads, but if we can If if we get our way past these and I believe I will vote against both of these particular motions Even though they seem to be kind of competing With the hope that we can get to Alderman van Akron's Motion subsequent motion to to amend Alderman van Akron. Thank you. Mr. Mayor. I too won't support sending this on to the next council I think it's important that we try to solve this problem here tonight We do owe it to our employees and I think we owe it to the city I think it is a time that we again put the city first and let the city department heads Pick the best qualified candidates for these positions no matter where they live again I choose to live here. We all choose to live here because we love living here But at the end of the day if that's hurting the city I think we need to put that first but again in fairness to our employees We have employees who are trying to meet these residency concerns that currently are trying to sell their homes I don't think it's fair to just put that on hold for a few months and let the governor solve their problem I think it's something we can handle here tonight So I would urge everyone to vote know to moving this along to the next council and let's handle this here tonight So first we're going to vote on the amendment to Alderman-Born's original motion to send it to Committee of the new council Sour and grievance committee can we do that it's all in one motion or are we doing it to ask in your advice Well, I it's competing we leave the motion on the floor is to commit it to a standing committee Which is the souring grievance committee of the new council So that's the one and only motion we need that's the motion. Okay, we're believe Okay, so we're voting on whether to refer to souring grievance of the new council readable, okay You're ready. We're ready. We're ready Five eyes 11 nose Motion fails Alderman Ben Akron Thank You mr. Mayor, then I would make a motion to amend the resolution to eliminate all residency restrictions for all city employees Moving seconded to eliminate To amend the resolution to eliminate the residency requirements for all city employees does that include department heads or Yes, any discussion under the motion Alderman born is this is this a motion to the original document 8-1 Is that what we're talking about no Alderman Amendment to that well, I'm not gonna I'm certainly not gonna support I'm not having the department heads not having the department heads live in the city and According to the governor's language that would also mean that the negotiated residency requirement that we have with the Fair department would be null and void and I have a real problem with Any more firefighters living out of the city that are already do for being able to respond to emergencies in a prompt in a prompt matter I don't want you know, I don't want firefighters Responding from Usberg and Cedar Grove and Plymouth and Glen Buehler and Greenbush or north of Sheboygan and Keeler and the Holstein That is a negotiated residency requirement, and I certainly don't want to see that go out for emergency responders But I'm not going to support doing away with all residency. I might consider Doing it with just keeping the department heads as residents And I did have some amendments to make Regarding the 2% that came up in the regular document to amend that but I'm not gonna I'm not gonna support Doing away with the entire residency requirement including department heads and you know, and it's not fair It's not fair to the employees that have decided to live in Sheboygan since this residency Requirement went into effect most recently mr. Beeble just sold his house. So it was just in the town of Sheboygan and Moved into the city I just don't think it's fair for the people for our employees that have stepped up to the plate since his residency rule Has been in effect and have moved into the city Thank you Any other discussion With respect to the proposed amendment as it relates to department heads, this is a resolution here There's an ordinance in place that Requires residency for department heads. You cannot Repeal an ordinance through a resolution. So you would not be able to Remove the residency requirement for department heads in this document Bellinger Thank You mayor this question either for attorney McLean or Alderman Donahue who was read the Statute or the the proposal from the governor. Does it does it the state? Mandate address anything as far as department heads or if we passed were to pass something tonight that said department heads were They had to maintain a residence within the city then the state further on passes what they're going to pass with that Override what we've just done You know what we have done today. I guess I I'm kind of trying to get a clarification of the language What's included or what can we do and can't we do and what are the ramifications down the road? City attorney Right now the structure locally, there's no state law with respect to residency requirements of local government local government employers We have an ordinance that's in place that says all Department heads have to reside in the city that ordinance defines the department heads to be five fire chief police chief director of public works director of human resources and director of finance This is a resolution before you You cannot Repeal an ordinance through a resolution if you want to change the ordinance for department heads You have to bring in an ordinance to change that so This document could not address department heads as far as the proposed budgetary language that the governor has That's across the board no residency at Local governments would be preempted from enforcing any residency requirements for any of its employees period Steve I read the League of Municipalities Bulletin today in which they talked about We couldn't require residencies, but there was an open question about possibly having fire and police Still be able to woods without requiring them to live in a specific municipality. You could have possibly Requirements that weren't required residencies time requirement to get to the job or something like that Yes, so that that still would be allowed at a later date Even if the governor passed that that was an open part of an open discussion for local governments to decide According to the League of Municipalities now how it gets passed. We'll see All right Alderman Somebody's beeping Donnie you Merit I I just found the the league's language Which reflects what you said municipal policies requiring certain employees such as firefighters or snowplow drivers To be on the job within a certain period of time after receiving an emergency call That is response time requirements may be valid because they do not require that the employee reside within the jurisdiction So that would appear to answer the question, but you never know any other discussion Thank You mr. Mayor, I guess I just clarifying my motion then is to remove residency restrictions for all city employees except for the department heads who have grown is that what you'd like it to say Yes, please And having that understanding understanding the public protection and safety side of that that is something we would have to address Either way would be the the time response. That's not something we address currently Whether in contract or not in contract that is something we'd have to address it is a time type response down the road So again, I think it's time that the city put this behind us Let the city move forward with the best qualified candidates we can find and and again I think it's it's in fairness to our employees who Shouldn't have to wait another four months to just have the governor do this for us Alderman Hammond, thank you You know in thinking of this You know, I'm I'm one that wants to make sure we have the best employees I'm also cognizant of the fact that you know We have several critical functions that need to happen inside the city police fire and obviously Snow plowing being the the the three that come to mind right away And I appreciate Alderman van Akron that Getting rid of the residence requirement all together I'm just wondering if we might be jumping the gun on this one a little bit and maybe we need to think And I'm not saying drag this out four months I'm saying go back and have this document the right way not pass non residency all together And then come back and say oh by the way for you guys now We're gonna put in a radius requirement or distance requirement a response requirement Maybe we need to do that right now So that Everybody knows what the playing field looks like after either tonight or after the next council meeting. Thank you Alderman born Thank you One thing that I'll one thing that I liked about document 8.1 or 8.2 Whatever one it is is that there was a whereas in there that they're assigning a 2% fee based on earnings for those Not relocating within a two-year time frame I had talked to Alderman Hammond About this and in fact expanding that in that what I was going to propose was The 2% fee in pay grades one through eight and a three and a half percent Three and a half in pay grades nine through twelve and five percent in pay grades 13 through 16 Basically, I wouldn't have trouble with with rescinding the residency if we do rescind the residency requirement but making it a bonus for the people that do decide to live in the city and And if they don't choose to live in the city, then they're going to have some some pay Deducted I thought that that 2% was good But I didn't think it was enough for people up in the six 13 through 16 Pay grades are making well over a hundred thousand dollars a year to me that wasn't in a 2% Penalty wouldn't have probably been any inducement at all back when this resolution was first passed on residency back in 2008 at that time we had 42% of our city employees who that did not live in the city and when this residency Requirement came in back in 2008 we grandfathered all of the people that were not living in the city of Sheboygan and The people who sponsored this at the time Thought that through attrition over the years the residency requirement would be a good way to encourage more of our city employees To live in the city if you currently have been following what real estate has been selling for in the city of Sheboygan It's pitiful If any of you have access to the Milwaukee Journal on Sunday I would invite you to take a look at the real estate section and they They have a page in there where they go over the real estate sales in the five county area around Milwaukee including Sheboygan and We have homes selling in Sheboygan and I realize it's a tough market with foreclosures and that type of thing We have properties that are selling for 30 40 50 thousand dollars the average sale price of a home in Wisconsin in January was a hundred and seventy two thousand dollars We I don't think we had one property except a condominium down next to the armory that sold for two hundred and twenty five thousand dollars and At the strategic fiscal planning committee I brought that fact up and I believe mr. Amodio mentioned that that property that condo down there originally was was listed at $450,000 it sold for two hundred and twenty five thousand dollars and to my knowledge That's the highest price property that's sold in the city of Sheboygan this year We've got to be we've got to be encouraging people Whether it be our city employees or anybody else to move into this city It's a wonderful place to live and by not having this residency rule anymore I'm just afraid that the real estate picture as far as sales of homes in the city are going to continue to go down It's naturally going to have a bigger effect in Milwaukee where they figure that there's a possibility that 6,000 people could move out of the city of Sheboygan if their residency rule is put aside It can happen on a smaller scale right here in Sheboygan So I mean the real estate situation in the city is pitiful right now at best and again I want to repeat the average selling price in Wisconsin is a hundred and seventy two thousand dollars We've had one property since the first of the year. I believe that's sold for over that I mean, it's ridiculous and to do away with this residency requirement in my mind is going to exasperate the problem. Thank you Alderman racer thank you, mr. Mayor just to answer alderman Heidemann's Hammons, I think that The contracts are still going to supersede what we do tonight that the police and fire have in their contracts different residency things Correct, I mean we can't do something To them as far as the contract goes without negotiating it well If you did away with the residency requirement that would Unless you just refer to non-represented employees, which is what I would recommend you do Okay, I've been around long enough where the council repealed the residency requirement for all city employees once before and then had to had to pay to renegotiate it back into contracts and I Hate to see it. Just go away again and then have to Renegotiate and sure give something and then the second comment with Alderman Boris if the governor comes and does take this away I just a suggestion for the next council. You might want to look at an incentive instead of the penalty You know where you're going to give them 2% to move into the city for the first two years or something of their Employment or something I'd just I think all city attorney the resolution does talk about all non-rep Employees in the resolution on the first line, so I think that's Amendment I believe for all all employees was to cover all city employees any other discussion Thank You miss mayor I guess I'd like to then make that amendment to cover what the document originally covered was the the non-represented employees I If we have those contracts, we'll let those contracts play out and then we can negotiate that with those entities as that time comes so I guess To further amend my amendment Let's go with All non-represented employees It's been moved seconded that all Non-represented employees We would drop the residency correct to completely remove the residency restrictions for those employees under discussion Alderman Bellinger Thank You mayor Just for the sake of for myself and for the people at home What does that number reflect for the non-representative in versus the representative? What kind of numbers are we talking about? Mr. Moria can or Sandy do you know about that number and Representative would be in compared to about half. Thank you Alderman Born Thank You mayor. I think at the very least I think we should if that's what Alderman Hammond was recommending that this should go Back to committee again. I mean this has huge implications and I Was ready to vote on a document tonight. Maybe with some modifications to it, but This has huge implications for what I've what I've brought up and what other what other people have brought up I just think it's it's too soon to vote on this until we've got all of our ducks in a row Thank You any other discussion Alderman Hammond. I don't know my lights playing goopy things You know again, I Would encourage us to take again I'm not trying to slow this process down because I think sometimes we move too slow But you know we haven't addressed if we all the non-reps are You know our void of residency requirement, you know again, what do we do about snow plowing? You know if I think some of these things need to be dealt with before we bring a Document and for the record I'm for getting rid of the residency requirement But I want to make sure we do it in a way that It does not hurt response times You know in some of our critical functions and so again I'll support it, but I much prefer us see this and see this go back to council Make sure we get it right and bring it or go back to committee bring it back to council next whatever that is on the 18th and Make sure we have a document that makes sense and dots all the eyes and crosses all the teas Any other discussion? Doing none clerk will call the roll Do you know what you're voting on? What are we voting the amendment or the motion is to Eliminate all residency rules for non represented employees mayor To amend this document to Can I ask a question? Can I offer a question sure? Attorney McLean This motion is this germane to this document. I mean I'm just questioning. There's so much in here That's going one way in this motion. I'm just throwing it out there. I'm sorry, but it doesn't seem like it's germane This may not be the way to do it Well, I guess Leave that to the council, but I think it deals with residency and I would say it falls within the ambit of The proposed resolution to change the residency requirement It's kind of far out as far as what was proposed but You've done crazier things all of them in Donahue that's true damning with faint praise based on the complexities issue and The fact that it does have fairly wide-ranging impact if a motion to refer to Sowering grievance for immediate attention would be appropriate. I make that motion second It's been moved and seconded to refer to the salary and grievance committee I believe that takes precedence over any other motion referring it back to a committee Any discussion on referral? All those in favor I know I have that motion somewhere here it is. Oh We already did that motion. We already called that motion That was for the new council we're talking for the new council on a field So now we're gonna send it back to salary and grievance which we'll meet in the next two weeks and have it back I mean, we'll have it back to us in the next. Okay, then let's do another one Correct. Yep, that's right. So this is the send it to the salary and grievance with To be next week How's that like we'll call the roll If you're ready Okay, oh wait, thank you, David. I know I had it Don't sigh right here 14 eyes to nose motion correct carries being sent back to the salary and grievance committee 8 to resolution 142 1213 from Alderman wrestler Donahue van will be adopting revised salary grade range schedules all women racelors Okay, mr. Mary blue that the resolution be put upon its passage Second it's been moved and seconded that the resolution be put upon its passage under discussion Any discussion hearing none clerk will call the roll 16 eyes motion carries Resolution 143 1213 from Alderman Sorry 143 1213 from Alderman wrestler Donahue van will be adopting revised city sheboygan compensation program For non-rep employees Alderman racelor Thank you, mr. Mayor. I'm wondering if we take 8 3 and 8 6 together You take both the committee report of 8 6 and the Resolution from 8 3 and move that one motion and move that they both be put upon a passage accepted adopted Second and move the second of the committee report be accepted adopted and resolution be put upon its passage on 8 3 on 8 6 Any discussion clerk will call the roll 15 eyes 1 no motion carries 8 4 from salary grievance Who met to discuss job descriptions for the Department of Public Works? Alderman Racelor thank you, mr. Mayor if it's okay with the public works I'd move that 8 4 8 5 are taken together. It's been moved in seconded That 8 4 and 8 5 both committee reports be accepted and adopted So any discussion yeah, I'd move that they've been accepted adopted Moving seconded that the book to be reports 8 4 and 8 5 be accepted and adopted any discussion Your non clerk will call the roll 16 eyes Motion carries 8 7 general ordinance number 48 12 13 by Alderman racelor van the willian Donahue Amending the municipal code so that has to delete various positions in a table of organization of public works Alderman Racelor mr. Mary moved that the resolution be put upon its passage or excuse me the general ordinance Second it's been moved and seconded that the general ordinance be put upon its passage Any discussion your non clerk will call the roll Susie 16 eyes Motion carries Other matters city attorney 9.1 is a resolution authorizing the appropriate city officials to execute the management services agreement regarding for you Will be sent to public works and board of marina parks and forestry 9.2 is an RO submitting a communication from Frank no bill board member of the Rockets for schools program Confirming the dates for the annual Rockets for schools program at the blue Harbor resort Event will begin Friday morning May 3rd and end at 6 p.m. on Saturday May 4 That will be do referred to public protection and safety and public orders 9.3 is an RO submitting various license applications for the period ending June 30 2013 and June 30 2014 Will be sent to law and licensing 9.4 is an RO submitting a communication from Amy Vellow property specialist to of SBA communications Corporation requesting permission from the city to modify sprints current equipment configurations For their upgrade in technology regarding the SBA tower Located at 3 3 3 3 City Plan Commission Motion to go into closed session Alderman Hammond Thank you, mr. Mayor I moved to convene into closed session for the item below under exception provided in the section 19.851 see for the purpose of considering employment promotion compensation or performance evaluation Data of any public employee over which this governmental body has jurisdiction or exercise the responsibility The move that's seconded to move into closed session Push your clickers Joe 16 eyes will take a five-minute recess to allow the Gallery to clear