 Okay, so let's look into what is this praying in tongues all about. There's a lot in scripture about praying in tongues. So we don't have to be, it doesn't have to be something very mysterious, something that's very secretive. There's a lot of information in the Word of God. So once we know this, it will actually clarify a lot of misconceptions or misunderstandings that could be about praying in tongues. And as believers, not only will we be helped personally, but we can help others understand as well, whom we are ministering to. And it is a wonderful gift and something that would really increase, strengthen the prayer life of a believer. So what is praying in tongues? When we look at scripture, we see, accepted too, that they were all filled with the Holy Spirit and began to speak in other tongues or other languages as the Holy Spirit gave them utterance. So it is a language that I don't learn in the natural way. When you learn a language, how do you learn it? You learn it by, you know, you learn the alphabets, you learn the grammar, you learn the, you know, that's how you learn a language, right? Or maybe you listen to it and you learn to speak it. But so here we see that it is the Holy Spirit who gives the utterance, but we speak it, right? Holy Spirit who gives the words or the syllables or the sounds, but we are the ones who actually make the sound or we are the ones who speak it out, right? So it's a language that is inspired by the Holy Spirit. It's a prayer language, we speak it out, okay? But the Bible also says that it could be the tongues of men and tongues of angels, okay? So if you look at 1 Corinthians 13 and verse 1, so this is what it says, though I speak with the tongues of men and of angels. So Paul's talk is addressing the Corinthian church. So 1 Corinthians 12, he starts by saying, brethren, I do not want you to be ignorant about spiritual gifts, right? So they've been asking questions about spiritual gifts. So he says, you should have information, you should not be ignorant, okay? So you should have understanding. So he starts to list down the gifts and all that. So he finishes and then like end of chapter 12, if you look at chapter 13, he says, though I speak with tongues of men and of angels, but if I don't have love, then it has become like noise, right? It's like clanging cymbals or sounding brass, so on. So this whole chapter is about love. It's about the place or the higher road that love plays in the use of the gifts, okay? So it should be with love. So that's the importance of this particular, you know, this characteristic of love. And chapter 14, he continues by saying, first you love desires, which will give. So he's continuing with some more information on how gifts should be used. So when we normally read this chapter, you know, this is just an aside. Sometimes we think, okay, Paul is actually saying, don't give special gifts importance, you know, prophecy, all these things. Don't give it importance. Love is what is actually important, right? So many times we come to that conclusion. But Paul is actually saying, hey, these gifts are good. They are from God. It's to edify the church. It's from the Holy Spirit. But it needs to be used in the right manner. It needs to be used in love. It needs to be expressed in love. So that's the reason for it. That's why he says, now abide faith, hope, love, these three, but the greatest of these is love. Okay, most weddings, people read that out, right? Greatest of these is love. And then they go on to make their walls, you know. So it's most, you know, read in most weddings, this chapter. But chapter 14 follows chapter 13. Let's not forget that. So where he says, first you love and desire, special gifts. So anyway, so Paul is not in any way belittling the spiritual gifts because they are from God. They are for the believer. They are for the church. And it has a, you know, when God gives something, it is good. And it is for a purpose. So he's not belittling it. Okay, but some, you know, inside that we see here, that we receive here is that it could be tongues of men, which means a language that is spoken on the earth. Okay, any part of the earth. It would also be tongues of angels, which means you search on the planet. You will not find that language. It is a heavenly language. So tongues of men and tongues of angels. Okay, so it could be an earthly language. It could be a heavenly language. So Acts chapter two, when we read, we read that it was something that others could understand. It was tongues of men. So people have that question. If it's not tongues of men, if it's not a language that is on the earth, if other person could not understand, then it is not tongues. Then it is something that is, you know, that is fake. That's not tongues. That's not true because it says tongues of men and tongues of angels. So it could be a supernatural, it's a supernatural language, supernaturally given by the Holy Spirit. We speak it out. But it need not be an earthly language also. So that we need to understand. Okay, so the Holy Spirit gives the words. But we, as human beings, we speak it out. Okay, the other thing to see is that the second one to understand is that it is prayer that is enabled. When we say enabled, it means empowered, inspired by the Holy Spirit. So we look at Acts chapter two again, verse four, and they were all filled with the Spirit and began to speak other tongues as the Spirit gave them utterance. Okay, so the Holy Spirit gives the words or puts these words in our spirit. But as human beings, we speak it out. We need to understand that. It's not the Holy Spirit speaking it out, but it's you and I speaking it out. So it's a spiritual supernatural experience, but it's released in the most natural way. Sometimes our struggle is that. Is it me speaking or is it God speaking? Of course it is me speaking, it is you speaking. But those words were inspired by the Holy Spirit. I don't forget that. So that's something for us to understand. So our spirit praise and we are enabled as enabled by the Holy Spirit. Okay, let's look at one more verse, one Corinthians 14 and verse 14 for if I pray in a tongue, my spirit praise. Okay, so you're the human spirit which receives these utterances from the Holy Spirit. Praise, praise out. So that is what we see as enabled by the Holy Spirit. He also says something in that verse, my understanding is unfruitful. So what does that mean? So that's a usage that is to say that I don't understand what I'm praying. Okay, saying my understanding is on Corinthians 14 and verse 14. So you're saying my understanding is unfruitful, which means that I'm not able to understand these words that I'm praying out. But I'm praying by faith anyway. So that is also another something that challenges the mind of the believer. Like people say, if I don't understand, then how can I pray? I should pray and I understand the words I should pray. And if I don't understand, then it's a waste. Why should I pray? But Paul himself says that when I pray in tongues, it's my spirit praise, but my understanding is unfruitful. I don't understand it. It's a heavenly language. It could be a natural, earthly language. The Holy Spirit gives the words, I pray it out, I don't understand it. So if you don't understand, no problem. It is biblical. It is scriptural. Okay, so the third thing that we see is that it's a prayer language to pray directly to God. So sometimes we, primarily, it is a prayer language directed towards God. So sometimes we have that question. You're praying in tongues. You're speaking in tongues. I'm not able to understand. So it doesn't benefit me. So primarily when you see it's directed heaven words, directed towards God. How do we know that? 1 Corinthians 14 and verse 2. For he who speaks in a tongue does not speak to men, but to God. For no one understands him. But in the spirit, he speaks mysteries. So it's very clear. I am actually speaking to God directly. I don't understand it. My neighbor doesn't understand it, but God understands. I'm speaking to him. And he is instituted in that way, that we speak or we pray in faith. Romans chapter 8 verse 26 and 27. Romans 8, 26 and 27. We turn there. Romans 8, 26, 27. Likewise, the spirit also helps in our weaknesses. For we do not know what we should pray for as we ought. But the spirit himself makes intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered. Now he who searches the hearts knows what the mind of the spirit is because he makes intercession for the saints according to the will of God. So it's really wonderful. Sometimes I don't know what I should pray for because I really don't know what should be the end result of this thing. What should be my choice? I don't know what I should pray for. But when I pray in the spirit, when we pray in the spirit, the spirit makes intercession for us according to the will of God. So it is, in other words, it is the perfect prayer. It is the perfect prayer. It is according to the will of God. And we are praying about so many things. We're saying, God, I do not know this. I do not know how to make this decision. I don't know what I should choose, what cause of action. But when we are praying in tongues, we are praying the perfect will of God. So I remember once, I think I shared also, I don't know whether to stay in that job, whether to move out and take up another job just because of a product that we were selling and I was not comfortable with it because it dealt with star science, like astrology science, these soft toys. But the more time I spent praying in tongues, there was this knowing, there was this understanding inside of me, which is building. I don't know what I should pray for. Should I say, should I not stay? But as I started praying more and more and more, I realized that there was this knowing at the end of it, there was this solid knowing, there was a solid peace and I could make that decision. Maybe I should just move and this knowing, this understanding in my spirit. So the Holy Spirit prays that will of God for us and it is in groans. When we look at Romans 8, it says that, with groanings which cannot be uttered, meaning which groanings which cannot be uttered in articulate speech, it doesn't make sense. But these are, and if you think about it, God designed it in such a way. Let's say you have a problem with anger. You have a problem with your attitude. And God wants to deal with that, wants you to deal with it. And he wants to reveal that to you, that you're absolutely blank about it. But when you pray in tongues, you're praying in tongues and you praying about your anger issue or about whatever it is about attitude thing is far furthest from your mind. You don't want even to, suppose somebody comes and says, Brother, I think it's about this attitude of yours. You'll say, please go. I don't want to, I don't want you to consider that. How dare you say that? I don't have a problem. We'll try to justify. But when we are praying in tongues, the Holy Spirit is praying. Lord, give this guy's attitude. Let this attitude change. He's praying that perfect prayer. He's praying according to the will of God. Let him be refined, let him be renewed. All these things be taken away out of his life. So I'm becoming more and more sensitive. I get up in one morning and I'm realizing that, oh, I think there's a problem with me in this area. I think I need to change. What has happened? I've become more and more, there's a sense of knowing that God brings about in my spirit. I didn't even consider it earlier, but then now I begin to consider. So similarly, other things. This is just one area where I need to change maybe, but there could be other things. Maybe God wants to take up, wants me to take up something. God wants to move in a certain direction. As we pray in the spirit, we're praying the perfect will of God for our lives. So we're doing that as we pray in tongues. What else? Praying in tongues is speaking mysteries. What is a mystery? Things that are unknown to me. I don't understand. I don't have the understanding of mysteries. Now 1 Corinthians 14 and verse 2 says, he who speaks in a tongue does not speak to men, but to God, for no one understands them. However, in the spirit, he speaks mysteries. Things that have not entered my human mind. I've not got understanding of it yet. So things are unknown. Things that could have happened in the past or maybe things that are yet to happen in the future. I don't have understanding of it or I don't know. So by praying in tongues, I'm actually speaking those mysteries. I'm speaking revelation of those mysteries because the Holy Spirit is praying that perfect prayer. Things that I've been asking God, seeking God and asking for understanding. We are praying those answers, those revelations. The Holy Spirit brings that into our hearts. So the word mystery also refers to wisdom, plans, purposes of God that are hidden right now, but God wants to reveal. The good things, the plans, purposes, the things that have not yet seen it, it's manifest in my life yet, but God wants to bring it to pass in my life. So these are mysteries to me. These are hidden from my understanding, but God brings it, reveals it, unveils it, and He wants to do that. So as we pray in tongues, we speak the mysteries of God. So as believers, we need to pray more. Another thing, I think this is a question which was asked earlier. Praying in tongues is also referred to as praying with the Spirit or praying in the Spirit. Praying in the Spirit, like whenever, like Paul was referring to an audience which actually understood this usage, praying in the Spirit. He says praying in the Spirit, I pray with the Spirit. So that audience actually understood it. So this was the church of that day. These were the normal believers of that day. So they understood it. So what was Paul referring to? Let's look at 1 Corinthians 14 and verse 14. 1 Corinthians 14 and verse 14 says, If I pray in a tongue, my Spirit prays, but my understanding is unfruitful. What is the conclusion then? I will pray with the Spirit and I will also pray with the understanding. I will sing with the Spirit and I will also sing with the understanding. Otherwise, if you bless with the Spirit, how will he who occupies the place of the uninformed say amen at your giving of thanks since he does not understand what you say. So he's contrasting two things here. And he starts by saying, I will pray with the Spirit. I will pray with the Spirit. And he says, I will also pray with the understanding. I will sing with the Spirit. I will also sing with the understanding. So whenever we encounter that, like we said earlier in the Greek, the usage within, off is used interchangeably. Baptize with the Holy Spirit. Baptize in the Holy Spirit used interchangeably. So whenever we encounter that phrase, pray in the Spirit or pray with the understanding, pray with the Spirit, it means praying in tongues. It means praying in tongues. Let's look at one more verse, Efficient 6. It talks about the armor of God, the spiritual armor. Efficient 6, verse 18. Praying always with all prayer and supplication in the Spirit, being watchful to this end with all perseverance and supplications for all saints. So here Paul is actually listing down the different pieces of the armor, sword, helmet, shield, belt, everything. And he also lists down one important thing which is praying with all prayer and supplication in the Spirit, in the Spirit. So in the Spirit, with the Spirit, he's referring to praying in tongues. So he's saying praying in tongues is a powerful weapon. It's a powerful weapon. It's like any other weapon that he's listed there, a weapon of offense, a weapon of defense, he's listed down and this is also praying all prayer and supplication in the Spirit. So praying in tongues, praying in the Spirit are used interchangeably. So sometimes people might ask, does it also mean that you are led by the Holy Spirit to pray with the understanding or the Holy Spirit gives me the information to pray, the Holy Spirit enables me to pray with greater fervency and greater zeal. I'm using language that I know. Let's say I'm praying in Tamil or English, whatever language that I know, but the Holy Spirit is enabling to pray with zeal and fervency and burden. So is that also praying in the Spirit? Well, that is praying as led by the Spirit, definitely. But whenever Paul meant praying in the Spirit, it is praying in tongues. So we need to understand that. Praying in the Spirit is praying in tongues as per the New Testament church, the early church. So that's something that we need to know. We need to understand, yes, the Holy Spirit can lead me to pray with the greater zeal. Holy Spirit can lead me to pray with a burden. All that is true. He can give me the topics to pray. He can ask me to put within me the prompting to pray for that country and this city and this group of people. Yes, praying as led by the Spirit. But technically, if you look at scripture, that is not praying in the Spirit, but it is praying in tongues, which is praying in the Spirit. Then we also see that there are different kinds of tongues, diversities of tongues, different kinds of operations, but it's the same Holy Spirit. So we sometimes think there's only one kind of tongues and then because of that, that causes confusion. So let's look at what are the different kinds of tongues. Firstly, we see tongues, which is prayer in tongues, which is used by the believer, which results in personal edification, which builds up the believer. Let's read 1 Corinthians 14 and verse 2. 1 Corinthians 14 verse 2, he who speaks in a tongue does not speak to men but to God, for no one understands him. However, in the Spirit he speaks histories. Go down to verse 4. He who speaks in a tongue edifies himself, but he who prophesies edifies the church. So when you're praying in tongues, what is happening? Edification. What does edification mean? Is that right? What do I know? So it is consecration. So when you say edification, there's a building up. Like when you use the word edifice, it means build up. So in other words, there is constructive spiritual progress that is happening. Something that is being built up on the inside. Maybe revelation has been given, maybe certain things are taken out, certain things are put in. It's like a spiritual exercise, and it's just building you up in the inner man. There's faith being built up. So when we pray in tongues, now this is normally like we do when we pray in the Spirit, we spend extended time just praying in tongues. We are being built up on the inside. Now this is for all the believers. Every believer has this privilege to pray in tongues. Okay. Like Mark chapter 16 and verse 17, the Lord Jesus says, these signs will follow those who believe. For those who believe believers, disciples, in my name, they will cast out demons. They will speak with new tongues. Okay. So the Lord Jesus actually spoke about it. They will speak with new tongues. They will cast out demons. And these are the ones who believe in my name. Mark chapter 16 verse 16 and 17. So this is for, when we say, okay, is this for all? Yes. This is for all believers. Okay. Then we see another kind of tongues. Okay. And let's look at one Corinthians 14 and verse 13. So here it says, let him who speaks in a tongue, pray that he may interpret. If anyone speaks in a tongue, let there be two or at most three each in turn and let one interpret. Okay. That's 13 and then verse 27 also 28. But if there's no interpreter, let him keep silent in church and let him speak to himself and to God. Okay. So what is this kind of tongue? It is tongues for interpretation. And when we look at this, we see that it is actually someone who's addressing the church. Like suppose, you know, I'm here right there in front of you. And if I give a message to you in tongues, right? If I begin to speak in tongues and then I just take, you know, take five minutes to do that. I just continue to speak in tongues. And if you are there listening, well Paul's instruction is, let there be interpretation. Okay. Which means that whether interpretation has to come from me, myself, who's praying in tongues or maybe from someone else, the gift of interpretation of tongues. Right. Someone will just interpret and say, okay, this is what the Lord says. Right. So it is for a message that is public address of tongues. Okay. So what does he say? Verse 28. If there is no interpreter. Okay. If there's nobody to interpret, interpret, let him keep silent in church and let him speak to himself and to God. Okay. So sometimes well-meaning sincere believers say, you cannot pray in tongues in church. Okay. At home you pray, but in church, you can't pray in tongues. Now that is wrong because here he's talking about somebody who's coming in front, coming to the podium and speaking to the congregation in tongues. So in such a sitting, the Lord says, you should have interpretation because it's not blessing the person. You could be edified personally, but it's not blessing the other person. They are not being edified. So in such a sitting, let him speak to himself. There also he's saying, let him keep silent in church. Okay. So what does that mean? He's saying, let him not completely cut off, but let him pray between just himself and God. Does he say that? Right. If there is no interpreter, let him keep silent in church and let him speak to himself and to God. So which means you just pray between you yourself and to God, continue to pray in tongues. So can we pray in tongues in church? Yes, you can. But if it's going to be someone taking the mic and giving a message in tongues, let there be interpretation. Only then it will help the people who are listening. Okay. Then there is also now these are all the different facets of the benefits of tongues. Also if you look at it, there are also tongues for deep intercession, interceding for others. Okay. What is intercession? Praying for others, praying for various needs, praying for others. Okay. So this is Romans chapter 8, 26, 27. We saw, the Spirit helps us in our weaknesses. We don't know what we should pray for but then he helps us. He intercedes. What does it say? Verse 27. He who's... Yeah. Because he makes intercession for the saints according to the will of God. Okay. So he makes intercession. So he's going to pray for others' needs. He's going to pray for my needs, which I don't even know if I have a need. Right. I'm not even aware of it but the Holy Spirit knows and he is going to make intercession. How? When I pray in tongues. Okay. So tongues for intercession. Ephesians 6 verse 18. Now he says, Paul says, praying with all prayer and supplication in the Spirit, being watchful to this end with all perseverance and supplication for all the saints. So there also it is intercession. You're praying for the needs of the saints, praying for the challenges faced by the saints, saying praying in the Spirit. So this is tongues for intercession. Right. And then tongues can also be assigned to the unbeliever. Okay. Do we see that in scripture? Yes. Accept it too. Right. So there are those who did not know Christ but who are of the Jewish faith. They're there and then they hear these people. You hear these disciples being filled with the Spirit and praying in their language and they were actually praising God. Right. Praising God in their language. So they heard it and then it was a sign for them. And it was something that was, what is a sign? It is pointing to, pointing to Christ, pointing to the supernatural nature of what is happening there and it is a sign for those who do not believe. Paul also talks about that in 1 Corinthians 14 verse 22 it says, therefore tongues are for a sign not to those who believe but to unbelievers. So if people do not believe and they hear people speaking in their own language, you know this happened, not to me, but someone whom we know, like she is a very, I would say, very uneducated, not literate. She can't read and write this person who's doing ministry, maybe villages and all and then people call her, she's been to different places and God uses her mightily. So what happened was she was called to some place in the north and so she knows only one language which is Tamil. That's the only language but she can't read, she can't write, completely illiterate, etc. So she was called for a meeting, somebody arranged a meeting and the translator was not there and they were waiting, he was delayed. So then they said, Sister, why don't you just lead in prayer? Just go and why don't you just lead in prayer? So she went and she started praying in tongues. She thought she was praying in tongues. So she just started, I mean for her it was praying in tongues, she was praying. So she prayed for some time and then the translator came and then they started with the meeting. So when she finished and came back, so the person who was organized, he said, you'd never told me you knew Hindi. And then she said, no, I don't know Hindi. But you prayed in Hindi. And she said, no, I prayed in tongues, I didn't know it was Hindi. She said, yeah, you did. You prayed in Hindi for those that briefly, you prayed in Hindi. So you see that it was a sign, like supernatural sign or maybe those people who were there who did not know Christ, but it was a sign pointing to the supernatural nature of the gift and also pointing to Christ Himself. So we see that it's a sign. So we see that early church, they prayed, they were praying in other languages that they did not learn and the Holy Spirit gave them utterance. Then we come to Aran's question about maybe there are specializations, doctor, engineer. So why can't gifts also be specialized? Some people use this. So let's look at 1 Corinthians 12 and verse 28. 1 Corinthians 12 and 28. So Paul says, and God has appointed these in the church first apostles, second prophets, third teachers, after that miracles, then gifts of healings, helps, administrations, varieties of tongues, different kinds of tongues it says. Then he asks the question, okay, rhetoric, verse 29, for which the obvious answer is no. So he asks these questions, are all apostles? Answer is no. Are all prophets? Answer again, loud answer no. Are all teachers? No. Then he gets into this area. All are workers of miracles. Do all have gifts of healings? Do all speak with tongues? Do all interpret? Then we are stuck. If all don't have, which means only some have. Which means if I don't speak in tongues right now, then I should just come to the conclusion, maybe this question that he's asking, I'm part of that answer. No, all don't have, I don't have therefore. But the thing is this, Paul is actually talking about ministry, appointments in the church. He's talking about apostles. He's talking about prophets. He's talking about teachers. And in the same verse, he's talking about these gifts, which are ministry appointments. Which means just like how not all are apostles, but there are some who are, God has appointed to be apostles. There are some who God has appointed to have that as a prevalent thing, as a predominant thing in their life that workers of miracles. This is how God wants them to function. Maybe tongues, all different kinds of tongues, tongues for intercession, maybe call them as intercessors. And God has appointed these in the church. And that's the thing that God wants them to do. Just like apostles, just like prophets, just like teachers. He's appointing these workers of miracles. He's appointing these varieties of tongues. We just conclude, we just inferring that it could be intercession. So it may be some, for the interpretation of tongues. So he's talking about ministry appointments there. So, well, who decides this? God decides this. Now I can't appoint myself. God appoints some to be apostles. And he says, okay, I want you to be an apostle. I want you, I want to appoint you in the body. If you look at the last verse of that chapter, but earnestly desire the best gifts. And yet I show you more excellence. That's how chapter 12 ends. Chapter 12 verse 31. Look at how chapter 14 starts, 14 and verse 1. Purse you love and desire spiritual gifts. But especially that you may prophesy. So these are some things that are for all believers. But some are called and appointed by God for a specific purpose and ministry. Just like how we read in Ephesians 4, we read about the five-fold ministry, apostle, prophet, evangelist, pastor, teacher. Now it says that not all are called for that. So the question is this, are all apostles? No. But can people do what apostles do? Pioneer work, plant a church. Yes. Are all evangelists? No. But can all believers evangelize? Yes. Can all, are all prophets? Obvious answer, no. But can believers prophesy? Yes. So are all called to praying tongues? That is his answer. He's talking about the ministry yet. But can believers pray in tongues? The answer is yes. And that is why he says, Purse you love, desire spiritual gifts. Which means everything that he's talked about now. He's saying desire it. If I desire without any surety of that being manifest in my life, why should I desire? So I'm going to be disappointed over and over. Why should I desire? If that is not God's will, but God's will is that we walk in it. It is the expression of the Holy Spirit. We're going to learn about that when we talk about gifts. So this is God's will. This is God's desire. So when we're talking about 1 Corinthians 12, 28 and then all is talking about specific ministry appointments. So we need to understand the difference between that. So the question again, so if that is the case, can every believer pray in tongues? Yes. It is for every believer. But do all believers pray in tongues? I was a believer for so many years. Didn't pray in tongues. So many years. One, I thought it was not for me. Secondly, there was no teaching that I could pray, expect. So I didn't even have faith. See, when the God's word comes faith, when you receive God's word, automatically faith happens. So when I heard the teaching, hey, this is for me. It is God's will for you to pray in tongues. He has poured out a spirit. This is the evidence and all that. Then faith built up in me. And I said, oh yeah, if it's for me, then I want it. I don't know, so many years I've not really, I've not pursued it. I didn't even go after this. But now I know and God, I need it. I want it. But the thing is in my mind, there were so many wrong ideas. I didn't know that I thought, okay, it'll just happen. It's not me speaking, but it's just Holy Spirit. So I don't know what it was, but I didn't really start praying in tongues. So it took another six months from the time the person prayed over me. And then finally I started praying in tongues on my own. I think I shared with you guys. It was not in church. It was in Bangalore traffic on the way to meet a client. I was working for this company. So on the way, Bangalore traffic, full mass helmet bike, I started praying in tongues. So that's the thing. Anand, you have a question? Okay. Okay. He started praying in tongues. Okay. Okay. No, no, he started singing in tongues when he was in a concert. Okay. The question is why do you consider that as blasphemy? Why? What is the doubt? But he's a believer. He's a believer. Yeah. So if he's a believer, he's sealed by the Spirit of God. Spirit of God indwells him. Okay. Indwells him. Right. So all that is true. Right. So he's a believer. He's a new creation washed by the blood of Jesus. You know, think about all that. You know, he might not be, he might be a carnal believer. Right. So for the online class, you know, the question was, okay, there's a friend of someone here, the student here. So the question is that he used to sing secular songs, not really worship songs, but a believer. Secular meaning film songs. Okay. City songs. And so during the course of conversation about prayer, he started praying in tongues. So is that valid? Is he blaspheming? So that's the thing. So here's the thing, you know, like he's a believer. He's washed by the blood of Jesus, which means he's sealed by the Spirit of God. He's a new creation and all that, you know, when we talk about he's that, he does not know it. Maybe, maybe he's a carnal believer in a sense. The things of God are not important for him yet. For him, he's just, but regarding this praying in tongues, it's something that he did not desire. Right. So in the course of a conversation and what was the conversation about like, okay. So what did you, did you ask him anything? No, was he surprised? You were surprised. Okay. So, but what he, was he surprised about that? He didn't answer. What did you ask him in these words? No, no, what did you ask him when he started praying in tongues? After that, did you, did you refer to that? My question is, was that the first time he prayed in tongues? Or do you think that he had been praying in tongues with you? Okay. So we don't know whether he was praying in tongues earlier. We don't know that. Okay. Okay. I got it. So, so he's a tongue talking, I mean praying in tongues believer who's in the secular thing is sold out to city music and all that. Okay. So God is working on him. So we need to find out how did he receive that praying in tongues? We need to find that out. How did it happen? When did it happen? You know, was he singing for some Ganapati, you know, kind of a thing. Okay. He loves songs, right? Yeah. So we just need to know under what circumstances did he start praying in tongues first? Okay. We need to know. And the interesting thing is that both of you started praying for this prayer request and he started praying in tongues and he was not surprised by it, which means that he's used to praying in tongues. The interesting thing is he's a, maybe he's not interested in the things of God, you know, for whatever reason, you know, his focus is not on God. Maybe there are some addictions. Maybe there are some things, but he's a child of God. And obviously, you know, going by this, he started to pray. When you say there's a prayer request started to pray. So he's sincere. He has a heart for God, but he needs to just be sold out. He needs to be guided. That is all. But it'll be interesting to find out how he received praying in tongues. No, that's what we need to find out. No, if we need to find out the source, like how did he receive this praying in tongues? How did it happen? Right. So that is, that is something that we need to find out. Like maybe he was in church, maybe somebody taught somebody. Yeah. Then absolutely, then maybe he slowly are giving me all this information. Okay. And says that he was a pastor son. So anyway, so maybe there was a time in church, he received during the worship time, whatever. So the only thing is he just needs guidance to come back. So maybe he finds music is his gift. He's drawn to music and he finds city music interesting. Maybe he finds city music boring. He just needs to have a change of, you know, renew his thinking and everything and then he'll be fine. So you just need to get back to him and continue that conversation with, yeah. I'm saying because I was such a believer, you know, I was a believer who was so carnal. But praying in tongues, right. Monday to Saturday living a carnal life Sunday coming back and struggling and finding myself. Okay. And then again going back. So it was like that for many years. But I continued to pray in tongues and that kind of, you know, just brought me back to God that kept me sane. In the sense, I didn't want to pray. But sometimes I'll just feel like this is all I can do because I don't even know what I'm praying for, but I can pray at least. I can just unemotionally just pray in tongues. And this whole message of who I am in Christ. Right. This whole message since shall not have domain over you. Oh, I'm living in sin, but this is what God, what, what have God says? One Corinthians five, I'm a second Corinthians five and verse 21. It says, okay, you know, he knew no sin, made him sin so that I might become the righteousness of God and Christ. Okay. I don't know how I can become that, but I believe that. So that kept me sane. Right. And then just began to, you know, continue doing that. And that brought me back because the thing is this spirit of God indwells us to put to death the things of the flesh and lead us back to him and make us Christ like. Sometimes we think, okay, I need to become Christ like in order to have the spirit working in me. It's Ulta. He comes. He works in us. And he makes us Christ like so. And I'm glad you brought up that question. Okay. When we pray for personal prayers, suddenly we see somebody whom we know, but sometimes don't know with pain or a difficult. Can we say that the Holy Spirit is pointing? Yeah. In all possibility. Yes. Then you can pray for that person. Yes. Yeah. Okay. I think that's all we have time for today. So we'll stop here. Thank you all. And again, I apologize for the, I know the late start. We'll meet again next week. God bless. Bye bye.