 Had hadn't tried the sound board since I updated to Ios 8 on the iPad that I run it off of and What do you use for that? No, I heard you say that yesterday. It's uh, I always forget the the company. It's called sound board Okay from the people of sound board sound board. No, it's one of those It's one of those companies that makes a bunch of apps for Mac and Ios Oh They do a lot of sound stuff. Yeah. Yeah Might be them Yeah, we can discuss it later. No, I must find Ambrosia. Ambrosia. So there we go. Yeah, the other ones exactly All right, you ready to show? I'm ready. Here we go The Daily Tech news show was brought to you today by me if you would like to bring it to someone visit patreon.com Slash ace detect that's patreon.com slash ac e d t e c t This is the Daily Tech news for Thursday, September 18th or possibly Friday September 19th if you live where our guest lives I'm Tom Merritt joining me from Australia where it is Friday morning Peter Wells editor of Reckoner, Australia Thanks again for getting up Peter. It's great to have you along. No worries at all Tom It's a it's a beautiful morning down here. It's iPhone day for you Yeah, there's as I look around my Twitter feed There's quite a few people already lined up in front of the major Apple stores and even some of the tiny ones So yeah, like the the very smaller Apple store still are reporting about three or four hundred people at the front So I don't know what's happening. I didn't expect to the iPhone 6 to be this big But people are loving it. Yeah, I guess it's been so long since they got excited about an iPhone that they decided to just get Excited about an iPhone and they and it's not like Apple disappointed them with a really crappy one. It's a good phone, right? So yeah, it's very very sexy looking I like the fact that they've gone back to the kind of curved Feel of this thing because you did the last couple of revisions the four and the five Felt a little bit kind of hard in the hand that that that chamfered edge Actually, I found I always had to wear, you know, use a case just to make it feel a little bit more comfortable So yeah looking forward to this one We're gonna talk a little bit about Tim Cook and his new privacy policy for iOS 8 in a little bit But let's start off with some headlines And breaking news right before we started the show Bloomberg reporting Larry Ellison and tends to step down as CEO of Oracle and Hand over the CEO duties to President Mark Hurd and President and CFOs Africa cats They are very carefully not calling them co CEOs lest they invoke a spirit of Blackberry But they will both be CEOs Ellison will become chairman replacing Jeff Henley who becomes vice chairman and Ellison will take on the title of chief technology Officer, so he's not leaving the company's kind of pulling a Bill Gates here and stepping away from the the chief executive role But but staying on in some capacity No go ahead I was just gonna say Ellison co-founded Oracle in 1977 if you didn't know that he's been with it since the beginning Even back then it was called software development laboratories Yeah, real entrepreneurs stuff here. I mean Is he the last of that that generation to finally step down? That's a good question Does Bezos hail from that generation or not? He kind of straddles it to me he came along in the mid 90s really so he's a little bit later Certainly Ellison is one of the earliest part of that generation In the 70s along with Gates jobs, so yeah, I guess of the big of the real giant ones I mean, I know there's others from that generation still sticking around, but yeah, he is you're right He's he's kind of the the the tallest of that generation that had been left in charge Indeed, I mean he's a very tall man is what I'm trying to say he's got a you got to look up Also, he owns an island and he isn't really Amazon announced a revamp to its Kindle lineup yesterday. Here's the list the fire HD now comes in two sizes a six inch version for 99 bucks and a seven inch version for 139 bucks both shipping next month for $50 extra You can make those into kids editions which include a free year of the kid-friendly Amazon free time unlimited That's apps and games and all kinds of stuff a big durable case That the kids won't be able to break very easily and a two-year no questions asked warranty I think that's the most appealing to parents the HD x 8.9 got a faster processor and the addition of Firefly among other things The entry-level eink Kindle stays at 79 bucks But it gets a touchscreen now and more memory starting in October Amazon also announced family library that lets you share books audiobooks prime instant videos, but not TV movie and music apps and games among all your family Members so it's similar to family sharing from Apple, but the star of the show was the Kindle voyage That's what has all the reporters Salivating the screen is eink, but it's 300 ppi 300 pixels per inch so apparently it's gorgeous It also has a higher contrast than even the paper white so it's paper whittier than the paper white Has ambient light settings that adjust gradually so that your eye as your eyes dilate in a dark room the lighting dims slowly so it doesn't Shock you has a flush glass screen though It's not glossy or reflective and a function that lets you squeeze either the right or left bezels to turn pages So you don't even have to move your fingers kindle voyage ships in October for a hundred ninety nine dollars for the Wi-Fi version or $269 for a 3g enabled version That voyage looks sexy. I I don't know if I'm gonna buy one though I mean I only ever seem to pull out my Kindle when I'm on holiday, which is very rare unfortunately, but Yeah, my Kindle's tend to last a hell of a long time But god yeah that flush screen looks amazing and and yeah the ambient light thing is very cool, too Because I do find having to turn down the Kindle when I'm in bed I would like to have that ambient light feature on all of my devices frankly that that sounds amazing That's the thing that I think attracted me the most To the voyage the the bezel thing is nifty. I don't find it terribly I don't even notice that I'm flicking and I I read my Kindle books mostly on the Nexus 7 Because it's lightweight fits in my hand easy and I can use it for other things I can look at my RSS feeds I can check my email and all that sort of thing which I can do with the Kindle fire too But I just the Nexus 7 is like lighter than that of course these new fire HDs will be lighter as well It's certainly not a bad move here among Amazon and if you are one of the ink folks There's a lot of people who like no I don't want to read on a tablet. I want to read on ink I think the voyage is super compelling for them Yeah, and and I do think the fire HDs are actually quite pretty looking as well I mean there's some charm to that candy color backing that they have and I really love the idea of the the kid-friendly tablet I've got a friend who's who's got this iPad in this ridiculous kind of gigantic case so that he's two-year-old Can't destroy it. He's he's two-year-old has destroyed two iPad so far. So yeah, it's this is a very smart move Yeah, no, I think they I think that kid-friendly version of the fire HD is brilliant So for 50 bucks, which is not cheap you get a two-year no questions asked warranty I think that right there makes it worth it plus they throw in a hardened case to help out. I got smart Apple posted a new privacy policy as well as a whole subside on privacy at Apple comm slash privacy Explaining changes in iOS 8 as well as pre existing privacy protections that already they already had subside has sections on Privacy design privacy management and government requests in an introductory letter to the site CEO Tim Cook says Apple has never Put back doors in their products for the government and he says they never will the site also claims that most of your data is now Encrypted on your iOS devices with your passcode and cannot be recovered by Apple Even if they wanted to Peter and I are going to talk quite a bit more about this here in a few minutes ZD nets Mary Joe Foley reports Microsoft conducted its second round of layoffs Thursday letting go 2100 people Microsoft let go 13,000 back in July if you remember that's of a total of 18,000 They intend to cut so they still have 2900 more to go before July 2015 747 of this current round of 2100 were in Washington State with the rest distributed globally The Verge reports that the Samsung Galaxy Note 4 goes on sale in the United States October 17th If you live in the UK, it will go on sale October 10th Pre-orders begin tomorrow in both countries on the carrier side AT&T announced it will ship the Note 4 beginning October 14th To get a little earlier for 300 bucks on contract and 825.99 for the unsubsidized Contract-free version you can also pay for the phone and monthly installments of 34 42 over 18 months or $31.30 over 12 months if you want to note for from T-Mobile you have to wait until September 24th to pre-order But it will still arrive on October 17th And you can have up to 24 months to pay it off Verizon and Sprint ask you to please hold They will get right back to you about their note for availability. Your interest is very important to them though I'm fairly sure yeah, you can give it to the the note line for for really You know being the granddaddy of these these phablet phones I mean we're seeing people line up for the iPhone 6 plus at the moment that many many Apple people would have mocked a phone that big just a couple of years ago, but Yeah, good on the note. Have you have you played with one? You know, it's funny Darren kitchen used a note I don't know if he still does but he used a note with the pen And he loved it and I could see the advantage especially if you're like, you know what on the go I need an easy way to get into terminal and do a little remote management and I want that bigger screen It was essential now. It's I think we've lost The division I don't think the phablet term means much to me anymore when you've got a six inch Kindle tablet and a six inch And six inch phones It's just sort of like well, you know, what size of a thing do you need? And and and it's almost arbitrary that the smaller ones have phone capability and them and the tablets don't Especially now that you can you know take calls and make calls on an iPad if you're running iOS 8 as well now Yeah, absolutely, and if you use Skype and you've got, you know, the proper connection You can see you can just have that be your phone Giga home reports Twilio will add MMS support for regular phone numbers speaking of using weird things as phones Twilio allows developers to embed multimedia messaging into apps and this new function means that companies can use A single phone number for voice text and multimedia similar to existing offers by companies like zip whip and bandwidth So no more short codes necessary 800 numbers aren't supported for multimedia messaging right now, but they can do text messaging So instead of having to know some weird shortcode Peter I could just whatever the phone number is of the company. I'm trying to talk with I can text them and they can Text me from that number Among business. Yeah, this is very odd Does this feel like a you know problem that should have been solved a little while ago? Yeah, well, I think it I think back when everyone had landlines and few people had phones It made sense to have the shortcode service right where I could have one in turn manage it because I wasn't gonna have that much bulk now That everybody's got a cell phone In most parts of the world even that can at least do SMS it makes sense to say You know what? We need to be able to support this and one interesting in this giga ohm article One interesting example they gave was a company where the customer service rep uses an app They were using a personal shopper I think as an example to be able to take pictures and send messages out to their customers Whereas the customer just gets the text messages and responds as if they're doing a text to text Situation so that that's the kind of thing that Twilio makes makes possible here Okay Time now for some news from you. These are things submitted on our subreddit dailytechnewshow.reddit.com more than 3,000 people in there Having a good time submitting stories voting on each other's stories It's an essential signal that I look at among the many signals when I put the show together each day And I like to highlight a few of the things that people submit lots of stuff in the in the earlier part of the headlines It's submitted as well, and I appreciate those Also, Habituala Condulce passes along another ours Technica article about the ongoing debate over what is considered broadband If you remember last week AT&T and Verizon said that four megabits per second is sufficient for broadband this week US FCC Chairman Tom Wheeler told a congressional committee that four megabits per second is too slow and that internet service providers who accept government Subsidies to connect rural areas should offer at least 10 megabits per second to avoid a digital divide between city and Country internet users Wheeler says he hopes to have that issue tidied up. That's a quote by the end of the year Yeah four megabits as far too small. I'm I'm actually right now. I'm on eight megabits and and now ISP Has a little rule there if you drop behind eight megabits, they'll actually send someone out to your house to test your line Yeah, but that's that's it and and I kind of can I mean even that is pretty like I just get by so We've had to turn down the bandwidth for today's conversation so that I'm not too choppy on your end But um, yeah, it's so so annoying having to kind of work out that if I'm doing a podcast that means Netflix has to be off or no online gaming or you know, that's that's where the issue comes up in our house What and four megabits per second was broadband back in 1999 a whole branch of that But what we're able to do on the internet and how we use it has changed a drastically Especially with the advent of tablets and smartphones. We have so many more devices We have game consoles that update themselves and and our Roku's and Apple TVs potentially People are backing up which they should be doing over the internet quite quite a lot more So there's just there's just more to do on the internet. You need more bandwidth for that It's funny that you say that the ISP will come out if you fall below eight megabits per second I think in the US what ISPs do is if you're paying for eight megabits per second You get close to that they make sure to throttle you back Well, that seems fair to yeah Captain Kipper submitted the mobile syrup post that Microsoft has changed its developer fee to a lifetime Subscription that you only have to pay once one developer account serves for Windows or Windows phone stores That was already the case, but it's still the case developers were previously charged $19 annually for an individual account Now they just have to pay once and that's it. That also means existing accounts will not expire So good on you Microsoft very developer friendly there and they need to be doing that mm-hmm and Finally digs a lot submitted a torrent for your article stating that Simon Bush CEO of the Australian home entertainment distributors Association says some of his members who are Hollywood studios are lobbying Netflix to block users that connect through a VPN Peter Coincidentally an estimated 200,000 Australians are estimated to use the US version of Netflix and As you pointed out to me before the show quick flick CEO Steven Langsford has renewed his calls for Netflix to block VPN users accusing Netflix of profiting off quote backdoor tactics Corresponding VPN use of Netflix would probably affect non Australian users with legitimate accounts as well So thanks a lot Peter on behalf of Australia For all of us don't blame me man. I've only just gotten onto Netflix It's been two months now since Netflix came into my life, and I'm not prepared to give it up All right, they can take Netflix for my cold dead router. I am not prepared to let this one go But yeah, I mean at the moment. I'm using a DNS service rather than a VPN service So it doesn't seem to be affected too much and like you were saying that a lot of the plug-ins say holo Is is the plug-in that I use for Chrome as well if I can't for whatever reason I can't access my DNS server And yeah, that that seems to always be able to route around these issues when they pop up Yeah, this is the kind of thing that it does end up punishing people who are doing things honestly for instance Hulu blocks VPN providers to try to combat this from happening and when I go on Vacation or I'm traveling for work when I was in DragonCon for instance in Atlanta in a hotel I'm using a VPN because I want to protect my data from any prying eyes on that hotel network I couldn't watch Hulu because Hulu said oh we see you're using a VPN proxy So not gonna let you stream that till you turn that VPN off. I'm like okay So I should be insecure on the hotel Wi-Fi if I want to use your service screw you I'm not gonna use your service But like you say there's lots of other ways to get around this if you're really determined to ask the people of Turkey for instance how they watched YouTube back when YouTube was being blocked for a while DNS providers other VPN providers You're not really gonna stop people. You're just gonna end up punishing a lot of people who aren't doing anything wrong Yeah, and I feel like it's come out of we've just recently had a federal government discussion on online piracy and yeah, the government actually, you know asked for content holders and ISPs to come together and submit how they thought they could tackle piracy in Australia and People continually said rights holders and Village Roadshow who were one of the kind of poster poster fighters for for content rights kept saying that people are using a VPN to illegally download Netflix in this country Which I mean there are as many things wrong about that statement to begin with but um It's it's a bizarre thing because like you said yeah, this will only affect really I'd say a lot of people who use VPNs in their proper way Most of the people who use Netflix in Australia actually are using a DNS service because it's the DNS services are the most convenient if you're going to use Say Netflix on an Apple TV or a Chromecast or a Roku or any of those other set top box type devices So if you're nerdy enough to know how to set this thing up, then you're probably going to want it on a TV You're probably gonna want it on that device. So yeah Unfortunately, they're actually coming after the wrong people they're coming up to VPN users who are generally yeah Like you said just trying to look after their privacy and maybe in a hotel situation or an insecure Wi-Fi situation But they're probably not going to affect me. Yeah, it's well remember we used to yell torrents torrents are not a crime And and file sharing is not a crime now VPN is not a crime in fact It's important for people to use this is this is not the way to fix this The way to fix it is to launch Netflix in Australia, which apparently you found an article that indicates they might be doing that they got worldwide rights to Gotham and According to smh.com.au Part of those worldwide rights included Australia even though they don't have an Australian version of Netflix yet Yeah, yeah, there's been a lot of talk again. If we look at Village Roadshow He actually the CEO of Village Roadshow actually kicked off this whole discussion because he casually said to smh in an interview that that they were in talks with our Netflix for some of their old back catalog so Yeah, Netflix is slowly getting outed by all these other contra providers as as definitely launching in Australia But it's it's going to be it's going to be that issue of what Netflix can Hold on to in Australia because Fox tell the the kind of incumbent here is Fox tell and they've Locked up the rights to Game of Thrones and a lot of those kind of marquee TV show so it'll be really interesting to see how it all plays out and whether Netflix's own original content will be enough to to get people to switch and to maybe switch off their DNS or VPN service. Yeah, absolutely and that my friends is look at the headlines Just a quick reminder that I have a new novella out at Tom erd books comm called events of a different nature It is a noir book about two private investigators One used to be a secret agent one a former gang member and they're helping to keep their neighborhood clean It's possible that those two investigators are dogs You'll just have to read it to find out for sure time our books comm if you're interested There's a free version there as well as printed versions and book versions for various ebook platforms time air books comm All right So we we mentioned this Apple privacy thing and Tim cook coming out strong saying you know, we are not going to hand over your data This is a change an older landing page claim that Apple with a warrant Could bypass the passcode in iOS to retrieve SMS photos videos Contacts audio recording and call history that seems to have changed in iOS 8 They've extended encryption to more data messages mail calendar contacts photos user data protection by default and third party apps Receive this protection automatically So if you have a passcode on your device that passcode is only known to you not to Apple And nobody else can get around that unless they break the encryption and Apple does some things to slow down brute force attacks they encourage you to choose a complex and Hard to guess passcode and that's why touch ID exists so that you can choose that complex passcode not have to remember it all the time This is not going to be Entirely foolproof Jonathan Jarski has already noted that there's a way around it if you've unlocked your phone once since you powered it on and Whoever wants to get at your data can get a hold of what's called a pairing record either through malware on your PC Or if they're the police they just seize your PC They can use that to get your third-party data your photos and your videos But even then that's all they can get with that pairing record Also Interestingly Peter before I get your feedback on this there was something called a warrant canary in the 2013 Transparency report from Apple it said Apple has never received an order under section 215 of the USA Patriot Act We would expect to challenge such an order if it was served on us they go home points out today That's gone in the latest two reports. So some of this may be a reaction to Patriot Act requests Yeah, yeah, the warrant canary thing was was always interesting I like the fact that they kind of put that up there to say look we will put up this This block of text and the day you see it gone is the day, you know that we've been requested to give up information And yeah, so I wouldn't be surprised if that's that's what kind of kicked this off But also obviously Apple has as issues with privacy has issues with security that they've they've got to They've got to address that that that public Kind of I don't know reticence to the iCloud service before they start trying to get you to use Some of their other features of the iPhone 6 Things like storing your credit cards even though nerds will know that credit card details aren't Stored in iCloud your average end user is probably not going to be aware of that so they need to get on top of that they need to change that discussion from Your photos can suddenly suddenly be stolen and hacked to to this but but I mean I guess that's a whole different story to the discussion right now with the the NSA and and and these these almost It almost seems a little bit kind of bullish on Apple's part to say look we're changing this We're changing the service so that we will still be able to do whatever you request of us We just can't do what you request of us anymore Yeah, no and in fact Jonathan Jarski was among several security researchers. I saw it today calling what Apple did very bold They're like this is this is a this is a very brave maneuver for them because they can take some heat from law enforcement over the fact that they've essentially locked themselves out of your data to where they can say look you can Come with a warrant, but it is physically impossible for us to unlock these phones So it's it's out of our hands And even there there were a couple articles I read suspected that maybe they could they could be sued by the government for Breaking the Kalea Act which requires backdoors to be put into telecom equipment. I don't think that that Applies to locally stored information on a smartphone. I think that applies more to carriers and how they operate But who knows in the litigious society in which we live It's not impossible to think that the NSA can go after Apple. It would be a horrible PR move for them But maybe they would find it worthwhile. I don't know Yeah, yeah, but but either way the ball is definitely in the NSA's court on this one now What about the other side of the the announcement here because there seems to be an underlying Snide and it's not even underlying actually. It's it's it's written logic pretty out there. Yeah Yeah of what Apple care about and what what Apple think is important which is Holding on to the privacy of their users and never selling on selling the information that you provide to an iPhone For advertising and and you know, it doesn't take too much to read between the lines of who they're going after there No, it was almost like reading an ad for screwgled from Bing Not too long ago. Tim Cook wrote we don't monetize the information you store on your iPhone or an iCloud And we don't read your email or your messages to get information to market to you They could not pass up the opportunity to take a poke at Google as a part of what is otherwise a very Responsible security-minded message here, and I you know, I guess I can't blame them These companies are in tight competition. Apple and Google are very famously not want no longer friends So it doesn't surprise me that they did that and and they did it in a very oblique way as you say They didn't call anybody out by name. They said companies which could that could mean Facebook too easily enough And maybe they did mean all of those other companies, but Apple trying to point out like hey We are not in the business of making money off your data So we have no interest in seeing it the only time we ever want to see your data is when we think it'll help you and The message throughout this entire site I read most of the the site today was we're going to give you the ability to turn off What you're sending to iCloud more and more often and there's a lot of things in iOS 8 that that Advanced that I mean you can actually fine-tune The permissions on your apps now to say it can collect this information only when the app is running or it can collect the information Sometimes if it's running in the background or it can never collect the information which is which is again more control and that's good Absolutely, and thank God they've finally switched on a two-factor authenticate authentication Sorry for iCloud because up until a couple of weeks ago two-factor did not a lot on Apple services, so it's really really great to see that you'll be able to now go in if you go to iCloud comm you can Go in there now and turn on Two-factor is needed to to access my photos to access find my iPhone all of those services as well But coming back to that that Google that underlying Google thread in the in the story I actually kind of feel that this might be the start of Apple's new Kind of I don't know Cold War Fight with Google, you know it back in the back in the PC wars. They always had that That underlying message that hey max don't get viruses PCs get viruses and and even if people didn't know much more about Apple computers They could probably roll off that that statement if you ask them what was the the benefit of an Apple computer I wouldn't be surprised if this is Apple kind of Positioning themselves as as this is their new marketing statement or one of many marketing statements But this is one of their kind of core tenants of what separates IOS from Android is that look we we care about you We care about your data and we're never gonna give it away You use any other product and you're always giving your data away And and they're just gonna go out there and give that that rallying cry to the fanboys out there to to start these New kind of culture wars with Android Yeah, no, I think that's a great point actually I hadn't thought about that. Are we gonna see Advertisements with a Larry Page looking character kind of trying to steal all your data And the Apple Justin Long-ish character like I'm not interested in your data. You keep you keep it private Yeah, yeah, we've got Justin Timberlake and who's that other guy Fallon? Yeah. Yeah, they can do it Yeah, right exactly Let's take a look at the calendar tomorrow September 19th is the Oculus Connect event Which will take place through September 20th in Hollywood, California I sold out event is taking place Just up the block from our producer Jenny's house and she's actually really sad She can't go because the intersection of a bunch of Oculus devs and Hollywood creatives would definitely be worth checking out Instead, please enjoy this tech calendar Hollywood mashup tomorrow is also the Alibaba IPO It's kind of a big deal Alibaba has many leather bound books and its apartment smells of rich Finally, are You ready for international talk like a pirate day mateys? No. Yeah me there but get ready anyway because It's coming don't study too hard because we'll most likely kill you in the morning And on this day in 1927 the Columbia phonograph broadcasting system went on the air with 47 radio stations Within two years it would be sold and become the Columbia broadcasting system and later simply CBS Notable movies inspired by CBS include The Insider good night and good luck and broadcast news And also if it weren't for CBS Jenny and I both would have starved through parts of our careers So there you go our pick of the day comes from a couple more people talking about roaming Sims actually Peter I'm interested if you have an opinion on this as well Mark Shabo pointed out no roaming. It's kno w Com it's a sticker that you put over it kind of hijacks your sim and it lets your sim work normally when you're at home But when you go overseas you can activate it and it gives you a connection With all of your data and your phone number and everything still active through your normal sim you get he says good rates anywhere for Voice messages and data. They're not bad. Although. I think it was 15 cents a megabyte So it certainly wasn't the cheapest I've seen but you don't have to think about it in advance You arrive at your destination install the profile and it works get back home. You remove the profile It's done. It just switches to the strongest networks and it's easy to use So you might want to check it out for those with locked phones KO has another option He used XCOM global in Vancouver and it worked great about $15 per day Which sounds pricey, but it was the same price as hotel Wi-Fi and all of the phones were locked So they couldn't rent a SIM card anyway. I took a portable battery with me So my family and I had access to the internet all day I was so happy that when I sent along a thank you to post it with the return device They wrote back and gave me a 10% coupon code. He says in Japan I used a similar device from global advanced communications and that worked really well, too Their coverage was good and the speed was faster than my Comcast connection at home I think those are rentable Portable hotspots there so check that out XCOM global comm what do you use when you travel Peter? I'm always a big fan of getting the local SIM when I travel I know it is a bit of a hassle, but I just kind of you know It's something that I put into the planning of a holiday just like I'd put into where I'm gonna stay and what I'm gonna Do when I'm there, I'll just kind of look at what are the best SIM rates? I just go with those. Yeah Whoa, see they the the VPN people got to them. That's what happened. Well, you can send your picks to feedback Now you're back. Okay. There we go. Okay. Cool. Yeah. Yeah, sorry I was just gonna say one thing to look into is sometimes the iPad Sims that you can get when you're traveling So the last time I was in America, right? I grabbed a an AT&T iPad sim and and use that like generally You need need to kind of authenticate them first in an iPad But once you get past that if you just need data, they're often very very good. No, that's nifty good pick So in your picks to feedback a daily tech news show comm you can find my picks a daily tech news show comm slash picks Caleb Andrews writes in with our message of the day. Yeah, he says like a lot of others I'll be looking to upgrade to one of the new iPhones my wife and I are actually looking to switch to T-Mobile One of the things that I'm most excited in regards to the new phones is Apple pay I've been trying to do some digging to see whether or not when Apple pay launches It will be compatible with tap to pay NFC terminals at places like gas stations and retailers around where I live Or if it'll only be compatible with the locations that Apple indicated during your keynote last week So far I haven't been able to come up with a straight answer I think this may be a question that others in a similar position are asking so I thought I'd ask Caleb as I understand it Any terminal that has NFC in your location would be Capable of taking part in Apple pay, but then the retailer has to sign up with Apple pay So it's it's not going to be limited to just the people they made at their announcement because they said they're going to continue To develop Relationships with more and more people and a few of those have been announced since the announcement of the iPhone But don't expect just because a place has NFC that they're going to take Apple pay. It's kind of early days of credit cards I can remember back when you either had master charge or the bank America card and not every place took both of them Like they do today Yeah, yeah, it's um They explained in the keynote that that Apple pay would actually be a weird kind of system that doesn't speak to the retailer exactly So yeah, you're right. If the NFC reader is there Then they are capable of taking Apple pay only then if the bank that you're using and also the retailer is on board Yeah, well that is it for this episode of Daily Tech news show Thank you Peter Wells twitter.com slash Peter Wells is the place to follow Peter find out what he's up to Of course, you can find his work at reckoner.com dot a u. What do y'all got cook it up over there these days? So I made a mind Anthony has has pulled out the spreadsheet and gone through all of the Australian iPhone deals that we have out here There's about seven different carriers. I believe with the iPhone in Australia these days So he's gone through them all and and crunched the numbers to see what would be the best iPhone Deal that you can get and looking at it on a very nerdy Perspective so he only looks at 4g plans and he only looks at plans where you could easily break the contract if you wanted to get a new Phone later because that's the kind of guy he is but yeah, if you are a nerd and you like updating your device quite a bit That would be something to check out. I'd also say just quickly If you are a stats nerd or if you're a network nerd The iPhone update day is always our biggest day at the university. I work out so last year We we clocked over 12 terabytes in a day on our network so this year I'm hoping to beat that so I'll be tweeting the All of the stats of our our network and how the fact it didn't melt down yesterday, which is pretty cool I'm hoping iOS 8 beat iOS 7 But yeah, if your stats nerd you like that kind of stuff follow me for some pretty graphs throughout the day Well, yeah, just imagine all of those thousands of students all trying to grab iOS 8 all at the same time it makes perfect sense that you'd clock huge amounts of bandwidth Yeah So so that'll so follow Peter on Twitter keep keep abreast of that kind of stuff twitter.com slash Peter Wells Thanks to our patrons 4,280 of you folks out there Make this show possible We have a value for value proposition I can afford to record this locally to my hard drive for free and I probably would But but you get possible to distribute it even farther if you find some value in the show And you can give a little value back we really truly appreciate it If you want to find out more about the options to do that daily tech news show comm slash donate and thank you to those who do And even thank you if you can't and you're just out there telling folks about us that helps us out quite a bit as well Don't forget you can have a voice in what stories we cover at our subreddit daily tech news show dot reddit comm Our email address is feedback at daily tech news show comm our phone number is 51259 daily That's 5125932459 you can listen to the show live at 430 Eastern 130 Pacific at mobile dot alpha geek radio comm Monday through Friday and our website is daily tech news show comm tomorrow From hockey buzz will join us with his new iPhone 6 as well as Darren kitchen and Len Peralta illustrating the show see you then Network That's it Well done No, man Thank you. I was gonna mention one other plug, but it would make no sense to a tech audience But okay, there's only three games left in the Australian football league. You have to start watching. It's it's it's it's been an amazing year It's just been fantastic and I looked up Yeah, well, I looked at there is there's a pub in Santa Monica that is playing the grand final next week And if all goes well then the Sydney swans will be in there at the grand final and that should be an amazing game What's the path? It is the cock and ball in Santa Monica. Okay, I know where that is Yes, yes, as you know the this one is the most ferocious of the animal kingdom So I'm really looking forward to seeing why my mighty Sydney swans are take on. Yeah, God I think it's gonna be the Hawks, but anyway Awesome Satanta has it still wow Satanta still around cool Satanta is expensive though. That's why you got a good little pub. Yeah So would you like some titles? Sure, what do we got? We got some good ones today. We've got many three-way three-vote tie of paper white ear Netflix leaves the back door open. Yeah Dixie deeds done down on death You could take the Netflix for my cold dead router Yeah, and then we get down there was one that was my favorite that was like a little further down Actually really love Ellison leaves Oracle to herd cats. Yeah It has to be K because her name is so for cats his name is K But he is he's leaving Oracle to herd cats And then the one I like that was further down was canary in a cloud mine Right because the war in canary beautiful title clever. Yeah puts the police in my head Yeah, it just it has the touch of the poetry, and I don't mean the NSA when I say the I mean the band the other police before reggae band Yeah, I think that's probably my favorite Although All right show bot dot reflex org. Yes make your voice known We don't just pick the one with the most votes, but it does help us break ties in our head There are a lot of good ones here today. Yeah touch of the poet I Does the weekend hold anything exciting for you? Well, yeah, yeah, I've got the swans game tonight Okay, and you've got a friend for open flying up game Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's it's that we're looking to have I think 82,000 seats sold so far Do you do you play it in the Olympic Stadium? Is that where they play? Yeah? Yeah, the old Olympic Stadium. Yeah, I've been there Mmm, that's right. Yeah, you were down here for your honeymoon. I believe yeah I saw the 2003 World Cup semi-finals between the all-blacks and the wallabies At that stadium tells Telstra Stadium, right? It's changed hands about eight times since then it's a insid stadium these days, but but it's the said that it's that same one Yeah, that big giant one. Yeah, what's it called now? ANZ Stadium and Oh, well, that's very cross the pond ish cross the ditch That's just a multinational bank. Oh, is that way it's a bank. I didn't realize that was a bank. Okay. Yeah Only banks in telco is gonna afford to name stadiums in this country Any who I should go to work, but thank you. All right. That was yeah Thanks for doing that as always Really appreciate you getting up early. Yeah. Bye, Peter. Thank you All right, it is now Title time. What do we got? Ellison is leading canary in a cloud mine second Paper white year third I Missed the paper white year. How did I miss that? That was when I was talking about the Kindle and I was saying 300 PPI in the voyage would make made it even paper whittier than the paper white I think we're gonna canary. Yeah, it's just very evocative of what you were actually talking about. It is the main topic, too Yeah Let's see so poetic Today's Suddenly I was overwhelmed with a desire for Montreal style bagels I Don't think you can I haven't looked but you can't really get them almost anywhere outside of Montreal And it's one of those things that even if you could get them here, they wouldn't be the same because it's part It's the water Yeah, well, I'm pretty much only ever gonna pimp for New York bagels Well, it's I'm not saying Montreal bagels are the best bagels I'm saying that I just had a craving for that kind of bagels I Just what could they because they are really good. They're tiny. They're small Remember mini pizza bagels. Did you ever have those? At any school of higher education that you went to are you saying when when remember pizza bagels? But then you have mini pizza bagels and and tater tots and that would somehow count as a meal Or were you always a healthy eater? No, okay When pizzas on a bagel We never had pizza bagels in school. It's kind of like you're saying I did I had pizza bagels in school in my middle school and Tater tots in high school were like the mainstays Yeah, we had tater tots tater tots covered in plastic called cheese We had the square pizzas which were like a cracker Covered in ketchup covered in cheese Cut into squares when I say a cracker wasn't like a salty cracker, but it was like a cracker crust and then macaroni and cheese which was macaroni covered in plastic and We called it because you could see the soybeans in the burger Yeah, God, I hope they were really soybeans Yeah, right now some other substance Raw the verge cast went live again today Yeah at 4 30 p.m. Eastern all right so there's only so many hours in a day. They're in our space We're on demand you can get us whenever you want I think you can here, too We know that people will make the right decision. Oh deep-fried burritos TV Z gun points out That's what I thought a burrito was growing up because we never had burritos at home There are no burrito places in Greenville And so the only burrito I ever had was the school burrito and then when I found out what a burrito really was I was shocked. I was like, oh they can be good I thought burrito was synonymous for disgusting Yes, I thought it meant like dry disgusting over fried thing with something resembling beef smeared inside But no, they could be delicious Could be going to college to learn that Well, that was worth a collegiate education. Exactly. That's what I got out of my University of Illinois education In fact, the best burrito one of the best burritos I've ever had still in my life was in Cicero, Illinois Suburb of Chicago on a on a trip up to Chicago with some friends in in college like my freshman sophomore year Hey, we're tied tied it up the top of showbot Heard cats You know, you just got to get a hand at this ESA to three. He brings it On a regular basis. Yeah, it's consistency that you have to admire Did you enjoy doing Ron Burgundy today? Thank you. Yes. It's good. You you committed. It was good. Did it work? I was afraid I wasn't committing enough No, it was a good level of commitment. Yeah, I don't want to overdo it. It was good I was having trouble finding the line No, but just the pause the pregnant pause before good, okay, you know like the final one that was good All right, well done. I Was gonna make you do like six broadcast news quotes in a row and then I don't make the show run really long Yeah, we ran out. Well, we didn't run that long couple It would have run longer. I love Brock that broadcast news may be my favorite movie of all-time hands-down. I Really had to pick one. I Saw that in pieces. I think I've seen the whole thing I don't think I ever saw it all in one stretch. It was a problem Yeah, it is just spectacular. I Used to have I used to have like just the IMDb print out of all the quotes the nose Oh, yeah, I guess who's paper in my cubicle like six different printouts of it just papering nice because it was such sharp writing And also being true Got the show notes all ready to go. Good producer So I haven't settled on final Locations for files, but I know some people had a problems with the audio So a lot of people got it fine, but some people I guess got to it late and it was it was flitching out So we'll figure that out soon Christmas says what do you think of the iPhone 6? I I've I've covered that Christmas. You just missed it. I guess I think it's fine. I think it's a good phone. I don't think it's worth the crazy Response that it's getting But it's but it's a nice phone I Will give my thoughts more on it once I have one in my hands But tomorrow ecc is joining the show specifically because he he got one that will be delivered tomorrow And if all goes well, he should get his before the show and be able to like talk about his impressions directly But I don't really I'll be honest. I just don't really care about it all that much I don't and I don't mean that to be like anti-apple or hateful or anything I just feel like it's just another good phone out there And if you're in the iPhone universe, there's no reason to leave this phone is good and it adds some some excellent things I'm very encouraged by this privacy policy update. It's not perfect, but it's a it's a great step On the other hand, I it's not the kind of thing that inspired me to fight to make sure that I get it on day one Because I just think it's You know, it's the normal stair step of like, okay. It's got a bigger screen It's got NFC and the NFC is all locked down. I can only do one thing There's that's fine You know, there's a lot of things that it does that Android phones have done for a long time But the whole pitch with Apple is yes, but we do these better Until we can road test that for a few weeks. We don't really know if that's true. There's no reason to think it won't be them I Yeah, I think I'm gonna say about many for a 3d printer and an Oculus Rift headset. Yeah That's my that's the future Or a ticket to space. I went ahead and ordered a six not a six plus Because I just Eileen convinced me. She's like you just need to be able to talk about it You know and she's like you have an X of seven and I know you have an iPad But there's enough difference between the five and the six But it's worth getting so yeah, what do you what do you do with all these phones? Well, I have done lots of different things. I've either I've given some to friends. I've sold some at a garage sale. I sold them to Gazelle and Thinking I'll probably give this one to my mom because she's on a four And it can't even get iOS 8. It's yeah Yeah, I just I'm ready for the big leap Did you see that article? I don't know if it came out today, but it was in New York magazine about This big long article about Silicon Valley contract workers, which was very good I'm gonna see if I can pull it up again What do y'all got cooking up over there? All right, I believe it's time to give my sad I'm out of the post. Oh There was someone who was it on Twitter Who was it two cows two cows, sorry two cows, but I am out of the post Apology happens. It happens every day Now waffle off, I guess it was me that was talking about going Moto X and I'm still I still might go to phone Middle Creek section she'd be pushing you to use Google products. Well, yeah, exactly That's that's why it was so compelling when she told me to get it and I'm like, well This is you speaking objectively then It's a good wife speaking about her husband's job Making a judgment about the phones. I just saved your wife's job Oh It's a little PR firm they could okay, all right, I'm updating my part of the post