 Every week it's about this moment that when I realize that I've got to see the intro and I try and think about what to say so hello and welcome to another episode of Eye of Notes a show where we talk all things creative animation and Issa moved uh with me no don't talk yet with me is my amazing co-host who moved Issa Badiola hey what a different background wow it's like the screen unfolded I'm Issa Badiola thanks for the introduction Kerry uh with us are some of our special special guests uh one are my shirt counterpart uh Aaron Wynn is here with us hello friend yes and we have brand new shirts brand new shirts control all and we also I really want to select oh god sorry never mind you're ruined it Kerry and we also have other very special guests uh Luis Paco Vezquez hey guys it's Paco thanks for having me I got a like a super old shirt whoa whoa marketing we'll be so happy I sure want to select all of those shirts from our store haha and how do we get there Kerry what how do we get to the store oh our store yeah it's probably like roosterteeth.com slash store thank you god I hope it's actually store.roosterteeth.com fuck register the other one real quick we're very good employees oh yeah definitely don't go to roosterteeth.com slash store don't do that uh but store.roosterteeth.com has amazing shirts like those select all shirts and this ruby eyes shirt uh and a long time ago the shirt Paco had but I'm thinking get that anymore and that's why it's important that you get shirts like right away because right now it's only like oh oh I've got the corgi pill in the background too what oh yeah that's an exclusive just for me yeah also Paco for a second I thought that cherry in the background was like a ghost what uh what share are you talking about it's funny I know it probably won't pick up in the recording too much but it is raining at like half of our houses um so it's all very spooky themed uh for the end of July oh my god it's almost August it's almost August you know what that means halloween a dog yes I actually don't know I don't I don't actually know what that means it's almost labor day it's my birthday month oh yeah it's my birthday month too Paco's birthday is in the 28th almost that was close 26 closer four yeah 18th oh shit okay interesting choice to go by two on that one it worked out for you but hey I wonder if there are three guesses yeah so good I'm not even gonna try to guess yours he says so you're already doing a lot better than me so okay it's the 14th that was a trick just to get you to say exactly I wonder hey and now I'm just looking to see uh when the episode comes out around that time so we can just go ahead and start planning uh okay the 14th will be uh for public uh not next week's episode of the week after so birthday episode birthday episode all about me baby yeah should have a crazy party everybody's invited I I don't want to zoom birthday I think I think I'm gonna just hang out birthday I think I just rather just just not do it personally I don't know man I don't know how do you feel about it you said because I've been conflicted going back and forth well about are you gonna do anything for your birthday I'm turning 30 which is gonna be a you're fucking old I know Paco 30 it's okay 30s are the new 20s is what they say yeah it's because millennials control the narrative now so it'll be a it'll be a hell of a way to welcome 30 I guess despite being yeah that's true yeah uh I don't know my sister asked me that too and I was like uh I don't know normally I would like to do stuff but um I think just by how everything is I'm like I don't know probably just I don't know buy something fancy okay that's that's pretty cool it's better than something not fancy drill I'm definitely that person who wants to put people on blast when it's their birthdays so do the same for me yeah Paco with it with it being 30 have you I might feel like this is the age old question uh do you feel like it's going to be a dirty 30 or a flirty 30 well that's right it might be neither that's true hopefully as long as it's like a germy 30 yeah I'm gonna I'm gonna be uh real lame and admit to you all and to show that I don't really know the difference between those two I don't I don't think there actually is much of one I think they just both rhyme oh okay what I mean like uh flirty 30 then all right oh that's that's it's it's like a hint of innocence still it's good I like that you know that feels unbranded yeah that's true but you're yeah it's like you know you're you're you know you're giving like a little wink but you're not like I don't know I don't know where it's gonna go with that yeah yeah you're doing like a little tg but not like flashing them let's hope it's not a gurney 30 oh boy that way that way quick sorry the weather has me in a spooky mood yeah as Aaron said halloween in july halloween in july I want to put some googly eyes on my ghost now that's a good ghost how's uh uh how's everybody's week weekend's been how's everybody doing I moved I'm like it sucks because I'm not fully unpacked the last time I moved I had a whole week off just to do it and that was actually like a godsend because it was so nice to just have that time to organize and reorganize everything and really get everything to the level that you want and then go into work and be like y'all I have a new place I just moved everything's great and then now it's like oh my god and all I see is miss it took me like three or four weeks to fully unpack my whole apartment in my latest move yeah and I took I took two days off and that's obviously was not nearly enough yeah it's definitely say what you went packed everything yeah finally yeah like this weekend was the final weekend like everything is kind of more or less in a place I've been I've been in my house for almost three years I still have boxes oh that gets me secondhand anxiety well I I I have this dumb problem I never take time off to move just because it's like I just I'm dumb and uh so I always with every move I end up with like one or two boxes that was here's all the shit that I probably should just throw away but I need to be out today some authority box oh and then put in the closet and it stays there and my entire closet's full of those at this point oh and I hate everything yeah just need you just need someone to help you uh throw stuff away like me yeah next time you move let me know yeah you could be my uh is it is it Marie Kondo is that what it is yeah yeah yeah you can tell me does this spark joy yeah yeah I'll bet Paco but I do I do need that junk mail from the little department and you'd be like no you don't carry does this spark joy is it at at any point maybe not seriously but did you at least remotely consider keeping your old place to be the new office so that you can live where you are now but then go somewhere to work every day did you at least even consider it slightly that's a very funny that's a very funny thought I think I actually said it as a joke with my so because we still have a month left over okay just go and hang out dude you totally can I could but like part of the reason why we moved this early was uh movers as well so it was uh all of the heavy stuff i.e. our desks and things that we would hate to like moved out like let's not that's fair can I go over there when you're out there to just get out of my fucking house and do something like work somewhere hang out on the carpet where there's no more furniture that's fine that's okay I'll do it how about you Erin and Paco how were your weeks they were good my mom visited me this weekend so that was lovely seeing another human that I can actually have physical contact with oh yay got to experience a hug oh it sounds really dumb but I was like oh again I live by myself like I have my two cats but they can't love me back the same way so they're fighting words my cats they're doing something wrong because they won't fucking hug me back but they did take good pictures they do they're very photogenic but yeah it was that was about my weekend very very low key that's a that's a good positive that's that's it was better than yeah better than a lot of our like how about you Paco yeah I had a pretty chill weekend I feel your pain Erin we're you know living on your own and just having two cats to kind of pass the time it's just like yeah I mean I love you but you're I know you don't really you're a little wise to love me because I feed you and house yeah but uh no other than that I I uh I've been playing ghost of Sushima my new friend back there you should put the rice patty when I say I've been playing ghost of Sushima I just actually put that blanket over my head and I go around like this is a sheen with a sword yeah you just you throwing sushi at random people they won't buy yeah but no I played a lot of that because I needed a change after last of us two which was very good but very depressing well yeah I can imagine and uh and I also watched uh this god pilgrim this god pilgrim cast did a read through of the movie like for charity or something oh I heard about that yeah that was that was super fun if you like that movie I did what was uh was everyone there no uh Chris Evans well because it's Chris Evans was there but whenever uh what's his name Lee something Lee yeah whenever his character leaves the movie he straight up leaves the call he's like okay everybody gotta go I'm a busy marble guy and uh and uh at least he's there for a little bit I guess yeah so he he showed up for a little bit of it and what's her name captain marvel oh brie larson oh yeah yeah yeah she was not there uh all these fucking marvel people yeah I know she was the um the singer uh scott's ex nvm vietas I guess I can't realize that yeah it's so weird it's well how many superheroes are in that movie yeah I just googled it was lucas lee lucas lee yeah so they actually had uh Anna Kendrick who plays scott's sister leave her envy so she was going back and forth but it was really funny because oh yeah I am now this I'm now the ex not the sister oh god yeah because the please make that distinction yeah the scene uh yeah like like with the the vegan scene yeah like in the the green room or whatever it was yeah yeah so maybe we watch that movie that's a fun movie it's great it's 10 years old oh it could drink now I mean not legally but it could drink my first thought after you said that punk was like oh don't call us out like that I feel it too I feel old as well I I watched that movie like I think three times in theaters I don't it's not something I do very often wow that was like one of the first times I think it might have been the first time I went to a movie by myself just because I'd seen it yeah well I'd seen it like twice with like different groups of people and I was like well okay that's everybody I know I guess to go again I guess I'll just go again I am also looking at I'm very sad that it only apparently in the box office made half of its budget back yeah I'm assuming it made a lot more later yeah but it did it's considered a cult okay okay I see I see okay that's stupid it's very good what movies have you seen the most times in in theaters oh good question me easily pro-mare I think I said that a lot of times I think at least I think four times in theaters and I also carry even though I called you a loser I also saw pro-mare by myself twice so twice yeah you're double the loser you don't have to remind me it's not like golf it's actually the higher the more the more later points you have the better in this in this game I think Scott Pilgrim or I say this with regret now uh blue people avatar that actually would have been my answer too because I saw a couple different formats hey yeah I was gonna say no shame it was it was a product of its time it was a cultural phenomenon everybody went to see it yeah everybody didn't everybody promptly forgot about it yep yep I think I saw the first four sequels yeah I think I saw the first Hobbit movie twice because I saw it in like the 48 frames yeah 48 frames a second yeah and normal it did not look good well to me anyways it was interesting yes it was an experience sure would you do it again no yeah I'm just like I hate like how I think we talked about this another episode like I I hate how precious I've become with my time when it comes to movies like if there's a chance I won't like it I'm like I'm not gonna give that two and a half hours there's no way I feel that oh um I'm trying to think I think another movie I've seen the most uh actually is Mad Max Fury Road oh that's a good one I think that's another one that I saw like three I saw at least two two to three times pretty sure that's oh man I love that baby how the heck would I forget it's a great one I don't think I'm pretty sure Carrie never saw that in the theater and I know that for a fact oh yeah because um you did you actually did you buy me the movie or did you just like I did I bought you did you're really sweet yeah you're like you didn't see that baby it's like the next thing you came with like the blu-ray and then we ended up like all watching it yeah it was really good it's a good movie it is it's really wholesome it's like it's a good ass movie I'm gonna go watch that now that's my thing is like I there's a part like I actually I rewatched Scott Pilgrim like a couple months ago like I hate this rut that I've gotten and we're like I I'm almost more likely to rewatch something that I know is good versus watch a new thing that I'm like you know about I think I've read somewhere like even especially now where like the state of the world is like very chaotic literal shit yeah literal shit people are like more likely to like rewatch something they're familiar with just because it is like that comfort of knowing what's going to happen and it's like oh you have that one semblance of like control in your life yeah I think I read the same article which is like especially anxious anxious people tend to rewatch yeah just they've already seen over and over again because you don't have that anxiety of something surprising you you know what you're getting every time it's like comfort food I guess so I had this conversation recently with Maya so about how if uh what is it I mentioned you a lot in this conversation Aaron because they want like if if you asked me a few years ago if I would be that guy who watches YouTube a lot I would have said no way absolutely not but and I was like you know I would have said the same thing two years ago but because of my relationship with Aaron and how we do is pass each other YouTube videos now it's like oh whenever I like want to eat I'll just go I'll just put a put a YouTube video on because there's so many different YouTube channels that we like to watch now and I'm just like oh well I could watch this while I'm working or I could concentrate really hard on how May is dyeing her hair and goes yeah like on my YouTube recommendations it's it's very chaotic right now I feel like if anybody looked at it it would give them like major stress does it look like a like a public library computer yes also it doesn't help that my mom this weekend was watching YouTube on my iPad so now it has her recommendations in there too yeah it throws the whole system out of whack exactly like as if it what like had any whack left Netflix before profiles exactly yeah I get the most random bullshit I hadn't thought about it in a while but sorry go ahead just saying my YouTube recommendations is embarrassing please don't ever look no it's just it's you and that's important oh god no it might be nice it's like your your YouTube DNA it can't be replicated well I mean they're working on it I think yeah I don't know where that was going yeah it was good to you yep I didn't I hadn't thought about until you said that you said but like I'm realizing that yeah my my go-to is YouTube and then you know like Netflix and of course HBO Max and Hulu and all that like like I will go to those but that's usually more of a like an event yeah not like literally but like I'm gonna watch this specific thing movie for something year kind of thing yeah but if I'm just like oh I need something to watch I just go to YouTube and hit refresh four times until something that's interesting there it's it's like when you open the fridge door and close it and then you open it again and you hope that something's different it's like that's what YouTube is for me it's just so easy and I I just I've now understood and I know the power of YouTube and I've been knowing it but now it's just like all-encompassing yeah I hate because I like I feel like the algorithm is like a buzzword or it's like a it's almost like a not-good thing a lot and I you know for creators it's not the best a lot of times yeah it does work kind of scarily sometimes we're like all I have to do is watch one video and then I get other videos that I actually genuinely am interested in watching and I hate it yeah I hate it and but then I still watch them it knows who better than you know itself yeah it's you know yourself yeah I started watching this uh this like uh Mario and Zelda I mean just a bunch of but like a speedrunner uh in like I can't remember what like I was watching some uh like I watched a lot of like uh like game history videos or like game theory videos or like did you know gaming like that kind of stuff um and then I guess I got recommended this from a zelda video and then I found a video where like the guy played like he played all of mario odyssey blindfolded oh fuck oh cool and so I just started going this route and now I'm like subscribed to this guy within the course of 24 hours just because they recommended one video to me it's like oh fuck this works this works it it does yeah the um I for me the upside for like YouTube algorithm working is that it's like the one upside is that it depends it definitely depends on like the content that you have and for me I like watching a lot of um YouTube video essayists or film critics like essay and stuff like that uh media or I should say media or medium um but I found a couple who are not super duper popular they only get like you know 13 15 000 views maybe like 50 000 which is still good but like you know it's not like six digits but uh they're up my alley and uh they make such good content and I'm like oh man I like these people they think they have recommendations isa let's get them as guests yeah I was gonna say let's talk about them so they get more views but that works too that's true uh I may have mentioned this one person in another episode I think he did lady lady and the lady brave in the night off that's right because oh yeah we said yes it sounds like a band yes lady night and the brave I think um yeah like the best part about her videos is that they're like a solid hour so really it's just uh yeah Erin knows um and there's another channel I'm pulling up by subscriptions right now I think they're called or they're the user is channel is called Yara Zade Y-H-A-R-A-Z-A-Y-D um and I like their stuff they had a video recently that was holes and the prison industrial complex because holes is an amazing book and an amazing movie and it deserves an essay and how holes like ended up talking or she covers how like holes is actually uh ends up uncovering the whole idea of like how there's a prison industrial complex period and how prisons do not actually like rehabilitate they're just using labor or like free labor for um redemption or like just under the spaces of like as they say in the movie building holes builds character or digging holes builds character I should say and it's like that's a lie and I'm like okay that's it that's that's the essay it's pretty good thanks for listening I'm sorry halfway through that I just started thinking about present day Shia LaBeouf writing and directing and starring in a modern take on holes and I got very excited I would definitely watch that right day day one midnight show yeah I would I would like I would like kick start it I would like I'll do anything I will do anything Mr. LaBeouf just just do it have you guys watched that boy is that honey boy no no honey measure I heard it's really really good the movie breaks my brain that's the thing to get correctly I've been avoiding a lot of shows or movies that might I guess that's not entirely true that I was going to say that are depressing or can make you depressed because the world is already you know the world is announced the best part too yeah and uh but uh yeah I lost my train of thought there what were we talking about honey boy Shia LaBeouf so funny the boy that that movie just sounds a little too real the concept of it of like him playing his dad and like how that affected his childhood and all that kind of yeah it's like a weird autobiography but yeah he's like playing his dad so I'll say that you know I was like I don't want to watch anything depressing like that so instead I watched Japan's Thanks I'm I like we talked about it it was the last week I think we talked about it like that so many people have recommended it and I'm just like so afraid it's I wish I wish we had Paco on when we were talking about it the other week just talk about it again yeah we're gonna bully you I don't want to repeat anything that might have been said no no I want to hear your opinions on it I mean yeah a general or your general thoughts yeah I mean you should not go in thinking that it's not going to be depressing because it is it is really depressing but it's meant to be that way like I it's like it's one of those things where I don't know if you like it might just not be your thing if you don't enjoy disaster movies or shows you know like it's but I really like the characters they're they feel very real throughout the circumstances and then everything is worth it to lead up to the ending the ending is just like that's the thing you're gonna be willing to put in the the work and the pain of the whole show which again it's not like the whole thing is just depressing and pain yeah yeah there are definitely like upbeat moments and like these small like shining bits of like life that is like worth like working towards or yeah and they're they're great they're like beautiful moments like uh but but it all the ending would not be as good and like it wouldn't hit you as hard if you didn't go through all the the difficult situations that I guess that that family goes through and yeah by the end that was just crying like I was just like what this thing is it's like it's it really is beautiful by the end but yeah definitely and it is like a a disaster movie but it's very different because I'm not a disaster movie fan by any means but I definitely think like um their interpretation or I guess like uh their take on the genre is way different than like a western take that's like it's like it's not an action movie or anything like that it's definitely like a character-driven piece I suppose yeah and it takes it takes a situation like it it also doesn't make them overly dramatic like you you would think some of those scenes could be like you could melt them for everything they have like oh family tragedy oh my god but it kind of it kind of deals with those situations in a much more I don't even know how to describe it because I don't want to say realistic I don't think that's the right way to put it but it's it's uh grounded yeah I guess more grounded it just feels it just feels more real and uh it also I just like how hopeful it was it felt like the anti because I guess it's the same guy that made uh crying man crying man don't do it what is it Paco? Devil man cry baby okay okay okay crying man devil baby crying man evil bro sad sad boy red face but it feels like the it feels like the opposite of that show to me or at least from what I remember because that show ends very I don't know very dark yeah very dark and very negative about life and this feels like the opposite it's like life is worth living for and it's beautiful and it's messy but it's worth it kind of thing yeah that's why I think it's a perfect way to put it you gotta break a few eggs just to sink tokyo it's a digest tokyo unfortunately oh no boilers that so that actually reminds me there's this term I learned um uh recently and it was great because it was uh Fun Fact Care you had retweeted about recorded by RSL and someone else had um responded to this and I responded to this person like holy cow then what a great term they described the show as Hope Punk uh HOPPUNK right and I was like wait what the hell is Hope Punk so I had googled it at that time and I fucking love it and of course I sent it to Austin Hardwick as well because I knew he would love it um and the term Hope Punk it was coined by Alexandra Rowland in 2017 to describe genre fiction that is the opposite of the grim dark everything sucks in his terrible mentality so they're not specifically climate focus and they don't necessitate hopeful worlds but the idea of Hope Punk is people who are trying to find the best out of very bad situations and sometimes what can be described as Hope Punk are people who are fighting against the system so they would there's like a way to describe like handmade instale that's that could be Hope Punk because it's a group of people who are in the system and they're trying to actively fight against it right or holes or holes I was gonna say holes is very topical nowadays right I it was ahead of its time do y'all do y'all think that movie holds up you should does it hold up does it not no I don't um I I appreciate the efforts that went into that joke I will always appreciate the effort of trying to make other people laugh we gotta uh pocket this doesn't happen very often we do like we gotta restart the show now hey everybody welcome to my head notes uh Hope Punk podcast like all about uh this is my shy loba fancast please shy and make holes too uh deeper uh man what the fuck were we talking about Hope Punk um yes uh Japan that's a cool term yeah you guys talking about Japan things makes me think like oh wow there I think there is like this really interesting movement going on in media where a lot of people there there has been I guess that is like the primary difference between like Devilman Crybaby versus Japan Sinks right um uh so one that has been adapted or is an adaptation of something but also the point of that narrative is very strongly rooted in like these characters and their journey specifically and that does does not necessitate a good ending per se um but Japan Sinks and in a way like a lot of the other stuff that we've been like really wanting to adjust is about like being hopeful or being positive even in the face of like disaster so just want to put that out there everyone that this is a great so so lord of the ranks is Hope Punk yes that's cool I'll take it are we just boiling any sort of conflict that our heroes have to fight against as being like Deku always like faces yeah hard to head on that's kind of Hope Punk maybe there's just a little bit of Hope Punk in everything it's true sign yourself speaking speaking of everything is do you think there's any Hope Punk in Rick and Morty oh maybe I don't know who put this on the topic sheet I put it on I heard the short is pretty Hope Punk actually considering some of the reviews about it what short are you talking about it's the Rick and Morty versus genocide or well by Takashi Sano who I guess worked on Tower of God cool and it looks pretty sweet I I'll be honest I don't care for Rick and Morty but the short what's pretty freaking cool yeah I'm sorry how can you not you can watch it now on HBO Max I think and yeah it just looks it's just visually cool I don't think you have to be a fan to no you don't oh it very much looks like the the like super professional version of like the I mean actually to be fair that one look pretty professional too but of like when the people make like the spongebob anime intro oh yeah which uh I want to change it to that later but yeah this looks awesome it is very interesting yeah because Rick and Morty is like I guess puppet animation um and this is very much the opposite like it's overly animated it's it's quite tasty to the eyes what part what part of the eyes has the taste buds is it on the iris yes okay oh interesting yes every time I touch my eyeball it is a little bumpy there there's a little mouth in this it's like um what does umami look like is it this have you guys heard of the spongebob anime by the way yes as in like the actual first episode that someone released no actually oh man I just remember seeing somebody making like a bunch of like if if spongebob was an anime like intros I think it was it could have been that same person I think it is yeah that's like wait for it I would definitely watch an anime is it good oh oh man okay I still can't tell I still can't tell based on what you're saying well okay so the history is I was I was I was I was made to watch it like um they sat me down I wouldn't have watched it by choice but they sat me down they would go to your head I put it on I put it on this cord and um and it is wild they actually got like a little bit like Japanese voice actors to voice this one and I I I don't think I enjoyed it but I appreciate the okay you know what that's valid yeah that's that can be enough I respect it I respect it like can I guess is spongebob like the the plucky plucky protagonist Patrick's kind of like the dumb goofy friend and Squidward's like the soondare no what yes all your expectations have been flipped yeah all right how hope punk is this wow there he is that doesn't look very hope punk I guess yeah this is oh this is going to be our our sixth our sixth member now yeah whoa we're stash chan I haven't seen him in a while still we get we're stash chan there is actually a fifth member episode it's stash chan you might notice you might notice the facial hair um is interesting I see it uh yes he's always here and watching yeah that's good to know I guess yeah and now that you've been on the show that applies to just like the rest of your life as well what's uh what's this deal what's uh what's going on with can I be honest we don't know we saw him in a trailer for something or like yeah we saw him in a trailer we like this guy anime video game yes just there like a dog yeah watching down upon us oh paco you might be interested in the said anime soccer video game yes Jordan swears was also captain captain subasa oh yeah hell yeah I I don't know it by that name but I definitely know the show I grew up watching that that's right because I was really big in Mexico yeah well yeah it's you know all the soccer all the soccer people were into it but uh yeah it was called I guess it literally translates to super champions nice and uh yeah I there's I love that show like whenever I saw the announcement for that and just the look of it I it was a nostalgia trip like like no other it's yeah it's I'm excited they're also coming up with a did you say they're making a new anime or did you say they're making a game yeah the game looks it looks amazing I could not I don't know if communicated this but I'm excited for it well I mean I'm glad maybe you too can play a stash chan or we he was in the crowd so we don't know what his involvement is oh that's where oh that he does look familiar he is from he definitely looks unique yeah I will say that much so no he's he's my bro we know each other we have we have history okay I was hoping that if one of our powers goes out while we record this I was hoping that broadcast could put stash yeah that's a great idea that's a great idea so that happens right now that happens in the next 30 minutes now we know we'll we'll move on without them and stash chan can take their place until their power comes back yeah it's still not without me in my area so it seems to be avoiding me yeah I think so if you guys don't mind I think now would actually be a great time to hit up some questions let's do it I was just about a seguin seguin I really I really miss hanging out with you guys that's honestly what the show's turned into it's just an excuse to like hang out for an hour a week I'm all for it yay so let's hit this one up this is from flippy super um how do animated productions receive criticism I'm sure they listen to complaints from the company but does the fan criticism influence the writing and decisions as well constructive of course not just people screaming about dumb stuff that is a very important last sentence because you really have to differentiate between what is considered constructive and what is not but yeah how do animated productions receive criticism and whether or not fan criticism influences I just like I close my eyes and I do this I mean I mean you know I don't speak for everybody I mean yeah we we I think we definitely like listen and and hear everything um you know I think it's a balance of and I think we've talked about this a little bit before it's like that's true it's a it's a balance of uh learning and also staying true to like what you wanted to do and I don't I don't you know I don't think there's a good answer I mean I think that there's you know there can be things that are like objectively could be better and there's some things that could subjectively be better or different um so it's just I think it's just about finding out like what what you want to do I don't know it's uh it's tough can I ask you guys something based on that question yeah go for it focus like the question you know states obviously without reading all the just negative stuff of people yelling but I feel like you know I can only speak for myself but if I wasn't that decision as someone who can be pretty insecure and just kind of takes everything to heart I feel like that would be difficult for me to do that like you know actively objectively you're like oh you know I want to try to avoid people who are just here yelling but how do you form the discipline I guess to know to recognize those comments and to be able to get past them versus the ones that actually seem like uh genuine ones because that seems to me I feel like that would be difficult to say the least I'm hoping someone else has an answer because I don't know I have an answer but it's good well let's hear it I mean basically if I see a comment and it doesn't offer a way to possibly correct a whatever like I want to say like something that's like broken or they didn't like etc um like if they don't like say like hey I I don't like X character and they don't say why or how to fix it like that I'm not going to pay as much of attention to yeah or like implement that feedback because like if you don't tell me how or why then I'm not going to know how to fix it yeah but that's just yeah when there's no point just sitting there just realizing like oh one person didn't like it but they didn't say why yeah it's like I don't like groovy it's like okay okay I do yeah go go somewhere else yeah don't watch it I don't know shut up yeah I I mean I mean like you know we're in the middle of uh recorded by Arzall being aired like how how are how are you feeling about receiving criticism and content and comments in general about something that you've created from your heart and soul yeah that's an accurate description it is uh it is a process I think is the biggest thing um that you kind of have to go through uh of course it takes a lot of time um to build up that ability to um differ discern between what are just kind of hate comments or people who just like want to say shit versus people who will actually be like legitimately I do not understand and you can tell at least because of the internet like from their language why if this is something that you should engage in um but in terms of like taking crit or like looking at it if whether or not it's constructive for me a lot of it is at the moment in relation to recorded by Arzall there are some moments of like people who have criticism uh that may be constructive or they try to say something about it that I think to myself oh well I wonder if their opinion will change when they see the whole thing like I feel like that's something that I tend to view in terms of criticism or the way that I would rather criticize or critique something is I would rather see the whole and then make it an argument from there as opposed to just trying to do one in the middle of an entire like series or thing and if I decide to drop a show just because I didn't like it in the middle of it then I can say well I have my problems with these but I dropped the show so you know your mileage may vary it's like having that context in there um but I think the thing that I like kind of I want to if I can't find something out then I tend to talk it out with someone else um there's this one comment uh putting on blast don't know if it's appropriate let me know who should edit this out if you need me uh there's this one comment uh that was saying something like uh they did preface that that you know recorded by Arzall wasn't for them but they try to logic it I think in like you know she just needs to get outside of the room it's like it's just not for me like this uh this show breaks the fundamental like writing rule of like show don't tell and my first thought like and I had to talk it out with a couple people on this one because I was just like there's something about this that seems so misinformed to me and one it's only there's only three episodes out you know so until this person sees the fourth uh prelude fourth prelude log then what will they think after that like will they go oh I was wrong or um the other part of that too is that recorded by Arzall is a vlog so inherently if you're saying the show is breaking show don't tell the idea of a vlog is that you're telling in the first place like yeah that's the that's the format so just say you you just I mean and this person like I said said they didn't like they the show wasn't for them that's great but I think having the community having the ability to understand like and having a grasp of language to appropriately critique critique and just say I just don't like the format is which is okay which is okay and that is different than trying to say this person just needs to go outside and it has to be a different format for me to be into it like I think there's a difference between those two yeah for sure yeah for me it uh uh it changes daily uh I mean you're talking about like just another comment that like uh there are some days where like I'll read something negative uh and I'll just go like man fuck that I'm just gonna go I'm gonna go work now and I'm gonna make the show even better and there's some days where just like it ruins my entire day and I see some like somebody says like yeah I can't remember exactly what the phrasing was but basically somebody said oh I only watched the show now to bully the show and the people who like it like that was literally what they said I'm like well okay and then you know depending on the day and the mood I'm in either that you know destroys me for the day or I just kind of feel bad for them that's what I was gonna say that makes that that's where their life is oh you're living you're living rent-free in their head yeah like they're wasting their own time like I don't know that's how I would and you're still and you're still consuming the show and your product yeah you're still giving us views yeah you're like watching it yeah yeah I don't know I well that's why I asked you know because it's I mean I feel like it's easy to just say well you know I just don't look at the negative comments and whatever but it's like you're a human being and when you're making something creative like like Isis said that comes out of her soul in her heart it's like you you can't just be objective about everything I guess like it or at least it's difficult to try to be objective about you know that one person I don't know like it's not for them right and that it just kind of stays with you and I guess it's just interesting for me now and the age of the internet how that works out like because I always wonder like when I was a kid like what if I could contact the people making Pokémon when I was a kid like I don't know if that would be the best thing in the world for me you know it would yeah it wouldn't for anybody involved yeah I think I like just to be up front as well there's to be up front on this one there's we're not we're not saying criticizing media is bad like I think there absolutely exists a sphere like all of that is completely valid and like it needs to happen because I think having a better understanding and having a having that knowledge to look at the thing that you're ingesting I guess or like kind of like mentally really parsing it down I think that's really important but I also really like but when poopy butthole 69 says I hate you and your family for making the show the way you did I I don't take them seriously yeah absolutely it's I might I'm gonna look at what they're saying and and like put that on like you know okay there's another tally for somebody who didn't like that arc or something like that yeah but I'm not gonna you know if they have a if they're like yeah just have them go outside and be like no whatever you know I don't know I'm a person too and I have limits I think I'll be butthole 69 putting your own glass I think going off of that I feel like not to make not to say that like we don't look at like criticism or like address them because we definitely do we do and sometimes see comments saying like oh restrict he doesn't listen to their fans uh like we see like so many of y'all's comments but a lot of times it's just like depending on like where we are in the production or like the direction like Kerry said like the direction y'all want to go in like sometimes it's just not feasible to like implement that feedback yeah so I think people sometimes forget like there's a whole like production cycle that a show has to go through so it's not just as easy as like well we want ruby to have blue hair now like we can't just like easily go back and like redo all of this there's somebody right now typing a comment about how you could probably go back within the span of like 24 hours and it's like they're all big brain as your brain than me bigger brain as poco said like you know it's it's hard it's it's difficult and uh to be objective uh in this case and I think Lindsay Ellis um in her video uh video essays she talks about death of the author and that like literary concept of the idea of being able to separate art from artist and like it's content and sometimes the reality is that sometimes a lot of content wouldn't exist without the artist and the context so in that way can you really objectively criticize a piece of work based on the idea of death of the artist uh or death of the author so like that's something I always think about because it's just like yeah there's so much context and it really is kind of like how you kind of just like look at it and understand the context of like um uh the way that people are telling you a criticism sometimes too it's just like oh well within this context I don't need to take that versus within this context I think that's a fair point yeah that's my answer thanks for the question Poco we we talk a lot about criticism but I think it's because it's a really important thing that we're still like going through yeah and it's like there's ever gonna be like one answer of how to deal with criticism well that's the thing right it it comes with it you're putting something out there people are gonna watch it some people are gonna like it and some people are not going to like that's it comes with it like so it's just part of it but uh yeah thanks for all your answers you guys there was that was cool thank you do you have time for one more question yeah I was thinking ESA that uh there's a that one about different parts of productions I think could be good for Poco too because he's kind of done a good amount of things on the show in the department Poco what's your job we didn't ask you at the beginning yeah that's true yeah I'm a I don't know I'm a bad host I'm a producer I guess in general terms which can mean a lot of things for me to make a hip hop beats that's right okay I was about to try to make a joke out of that but I literally got nothing so DJ Vazquez let's see that's already more than what I had but no I'm a I'm a I'm a producer so currently I'm focusing on uh just motion capture which has been a challenge during pandemic worlds but we are still growing with the punches or whatever the phrases and uh and in the past I've also been part of I used to produce the layout team on Ruby I used to produce the animation team on Ruby for a long time so yeah I guess in general terms being a producer means that you know overall or whatever department you're working on specifically it's just about making sure that whatever show you're working on gets made correctly and I guess what that means is that it it looks and sounds as good as it can under budget or with the budget that we are given and however much time we are given which is uh a very complicated uh what do you call this sorry my English uh juggling yeah you know what I'm saying yeah yeah sorry Mike I've been spending a lot of time with family so my my English is kind of not the best um that's what interesting yeah but uh good anyway so yeah and that whole time there's some creative person uh a lot of times me being like but no so that's that's the balancing act I guess what I'm trying to say right it's like we all wanted the everybody involved in the show hopefully wants the show to be as good as it can be and uh the the trick is to make that happen with limitations because otherwise I mean anybody that likes working on this stuff if we all could spend our whole lives or years or just more time than when we are given on it we would but uh so yeah so normal sometimes I can make the producer like make the people around production kind of someone be the you kind of have to act as a bad guy I guess I don't like thinking of it that I don't like the responsible one yeah I guess the the party pooper right because the realist yeah because like I said it's uh everybody including myself would want to keep working on these things for as long as we possibly can to make them as cool as possible but the uh you know reality comes in and it's like oh we have I don't know two months to finish the thing and this much money so we have to do that so that's what a producer does they make sure that the the budget and the schedule part of things is going along well with the creative part of it and it's very it can be very difficult to keep that from turning into uh keeping creative from being creative which is ultimately what that's what they're there to do what's what they're supposed to do so I feel like a very good team is a a creative and a producer that know each other very well they know themselves very well so that they know where to push or where to try to have a conversation about things because these and sorry if I'm going off too long definitely tell me no please oh I think it's very insightful because you're our special guest cool uh not being awkward awesome um so you know like I guess part of it too that makes it complicated is that you're always dealing with different issues it's not like you're like every season of the show you're like well we know what to expect and nothing else is gonna happen it's like every every year if I'm not even gonna say every every show every season of every show for whatever reason brings its own set of challenges for creative and production and that's where the real production work and the magic happens I guess it's like getting a compromise that makes everybody happy where the show is going to look at sound as good as it possibly can while still coming in in budget and on time which is it's a very difficult thing to do yeah you know I don't know that anybody knows how to do it perfectly because it's always a different show but sorry guys I was gonna say I think that's an interesting thing to bring up in that like uh sometimes producers uh producers are problem solvers in all different ways and sometimes producers also have to creatively come up with solutions for creative um because some there'll always be a situation where there has to be something cut uh and sometimes like like someone like me creative or someone like Harry Aaron like whenever we like look at something we'll always there's always that one thought of what can we cut this is everything uh everything is so important and it is ultimately going to be up to the people who are presenting that problem or saying we have this problem we need their help to try and like focus on what is possible in order to make something that is still satisfactory so I think you Paco say it's like you also had producers having to make sure that all parties are kind of just satisfied or happy with the product I think that's also just as important on the producer which means you guys have a lot on your plate yeah it's it's definitely a you know it's a complicated job but it's also a lot of fun like I like working with a back and forth with creatives on that like you set the puzzle solving of it all it's like every day it's just like how are we gonna fix the situation where we can still deliver and everybody's happy but but we can't do it the specific way or something like that like that's that's where a lot of the most fun conversations and just problem solving happens and you know a lot of the time that's like you said it's a combination of production but also just creatives like really getting into it and sometimes that leads I'm sorry go ahead no you're okay all I was gonna say sometimes that leads to very happy accidents where you wouldn't have come up with something otherwise unless you had to creatively figure it out you know like my my main example for that is always like if the shark on Jaws works the way they wanted it to that movie would not be as the classic that it is today that's true yeah I feel like a lot of it comes down to constant prioritization and reprioritization of what is important at the moment it's you know the script says that there's gonna be ABC and D and we realize that we only have time to do three things well what are the three most important things or you know if we're not sure if we can get D done well let's work on everything else first and see if there's time left over to do that thing maybe we find out that like yeah that artists hit their stride and they got it done faster than we thought so they have time to do this D thing or maybe you know it could get circled back to or not but you know it's I think you know kind of what you're talking about that that juggling act is just always figuring out what is the most important thing right now what is the thing that has to get done and what are the other things that would be nice to have and just like balancing that out I think I feel like that's what it comes down to a lot as well it feels like like very big brain thinking galaxy brain I don't know about that but I do well because it's it's like a weird thing where it's like you I feel it's important to not micro manage but you also have to be like constantly adjusting yeah and you know what I've learned about it too is that and this is something that's taken a while to learn is that you know like most of the time or at least for me like you're working on these projects and you're working with a lot of people that that you like you're working with a lot of people that you enjoy working with each other so when a situation like that comes up I think it can be difficult to to kind of deal with it if the people like I said if the people don't already have a back and forth set up or like you kind of understand each other because yeah do you need that trust right because without that trust if you have a producer who only cares about the budget and the and the schedule but doesn't care about the the the quality of the content then that's probably not going to lead to somewhere great or if you have it the the other way around where you have a producer who doesn't really care about that and just lets creative do whatever they want then that's probably not going to get done on time so I think you it's very important to develop that trust between production and creatives because otherwise it's almost like you develop a shorthand you know like you kind of understand what each other's trying to say and do and accomplish together but also you both should have the same goal which is again making the best possible version of the show that you're working on and uh because yeah at least in my experience like I I've seen people who I care a lot about the shows that I work on right like I care about the characters I care about the plot or whatever but when when you have if you have someone who potentially doesn't care that much about it then it's a lot easier to I don't know be dismissive perhaps or just wanting to wanting to do it the the easy way and I I've fallen into that trap myself you know just because it is a complicated thing so I've had to learn how to talk to people and develop that trust and you know like not just come into the problem with the point of view of we have to finish this now no matter what like well no matter what it's not really an option or it shouldn't be like it it does matter how we do it okay so yeah that's that's that's the fun but difficult part about it I guess yeah thanks for sharing Paco yeah it's it's fun and difficult but also essential and rewarding when done right for all you kids out there I always uh I uh I miss being able to actually mocap with you um it was always very fun shoots I also feel like you're uh in a good way like your uh your live action experience comes out too when we mocap um like yeah it's it's super fun I miss doing it too and yeah I mean at least for me I can speak for other producers but for me like like I I like all aspects of filmmaking right so whether I'm producing or part of something creative or just in the corner like editing something like it's all fun for me so the the closer you get to be to all these different aspects of making something which uh as a producer I've gotten to be part of a lot of uh parts of the pipeline and animation it's just also been a great learning experience like I would never have thought I would learn this much about animation when I first got out of school because when I first you know when I was first getting into this kind of thing I I didn't ever consider animation as being an option I was just like live action that's what I know how to do and that's what we're gonna do but so yeah it's also just been the fun learning experience that uh I'm gonna stop talking I know you're a guest I know that's why you're here I know I feel awkward for all this stuff but yeah anyways it's cool thumbs up yeah and I mean like uh uh you know we we are still doing mocap we're just doing a uh a very interesting version uh that involves one person going to the studio yep uh and then it usually at least two other people sometimes three uh remoting in and running and directing the session for that one person's in there by themselves oh interesting yeah if you had asked me if we were gonna be able to keep doing mocap during work from home I would have said no but uh we figured it out and it's yeah again that's part of production being a producer you kind of just have to you get a problem that you literally have never dealt with before and you you just have to try to solve it and you know it's not the perfect solution but we came up with something that keeps us working so and then that's that's what's important I do miss doing regular mocap with you and with everybody else it's it's super fun to do yeah soon hopefully it's true well I think with that it's time to go to sleep right now right now uh thank you everybody for watching another episode of I Have Notes if you liked it I mean come on it's Paco Aaron and Issa here if you liked it please subscribe and like and share and comment about the liking I Have Notes yay please watch it oh god please and also check out the cool uh select all shirts that Aaron and Issa have they're very good and they come in as I 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