 And we're now being joined by head attorney, the Liberus Oshama Chambers, Mr. Liberus Oshama. And also joining us is legal practitioner, Evans Ufeli. Thanks for coming on the news. Thank you, my pleasure. It's a good to have you once again. So how much right exactly does the government have on citizens' details, Mr. Liberus? What starts with you? First and foremost, we need to understand that every action of the government should be governed by laws. The Constitution guarantees rights to personal liberty, and then if any of such rights must be overrided by the government, it has to follow the process, it has to be by the pronouncements of the court, and not just by the wins or championships of the security man, however he feels. And so, it's quite unfortunate that our rights are guaranteed by the law, and that the guys are feeling security, somebody can just wake up and say that he wants to assess your personal because those people have been volunteer and submitted, you know, to the country for registration and then for collation of that capacity. For that sake, that is not the position of the law. The law guarantees that personal information and the rights of those private information should be guaranteed. And if anybody at all, be a security agent or anybody at all, must assess such information, it must be through the state and provision of the law. The constitution is very clear of that. Okay. All right, Mr. Evans, if I may please, can we hear your opinion on this same aspect if the government has so much right on the citizens' details? Yeah, the government have no such rights to assess the citizens' details because this is a right that is encapsulated under the fundamental rights of Nigerians as predicated on that section 37, subsection 1 of 1999 constitution as amended, which says that the private communications, okay, of citizen beings in their homes, in their offices, and in their private arena must be protected. So we are in a situation where when people or institutions want to move against the law, they go to the presidency to meet the president and then ask the president to take permission to do, the president now begins to act like an emperor. Instead of sending a bill to the national assembly to have that rights modified or to have to create an enabling environment through which security agencies can assess this information, but they must do it without arbitrariness. So we are not doing the right thing. The president opening the floor gate for our security agencies, these same security agencies that we have all complained about of their high-handedness and their irresponsible attitude to the enforcement of law and order in our society is the same security agency that the president is opening the floor gate to violate for that the rights and privilege of Nigerians as contained under the 1999 constitution, not just under the 1999 constitution, but under universal declaration of human rights, okay, and every other international protocol that governs the issue of fundamental rights of citizens globally. Okay, all right. So Mr. Evans, Mr. Evans. We must resist that kind of conduct from the president. All right. So very quickly, Mr. Evans, before I go to Mr. Liberos, why do they bypass the law by going to the presidency instead of passing through the national assembly? Can you hear me, Mr. Evans? I'll repeat the question. I want to repeat the question. I said, why are they bypassing the law by going to the president's direct instead of passing through the national assembly? Mr. Liberos, I don't know if you can answer this question. Yeah, first and foremost, we need to also clarify something. If you look at section 45 of the 1999 constitution, because most of these actions are hidden on that section 45 of the 1999 constitution, but section 45 is very explicit and clear. It says nothing in section 38, 37, 40, and 41 of the constitution can invalidate any law that is reasonably justified in a democratic society in the interest of defense, public safety, public order, public morality, or public health. That means that section is not talking about arbitrariness, going to the president because the president is not a lawmaker. That section is talking about invalidating a law made by national assembly for the defense of the society. And so if we are talking about a law empowering security agencies to collect information for the purpose of national security, then it would be a different case altogether. But in this case, there is no law. The president cannot be a law onto itself. The president is not a lawmaker. And the president also cannot by fear or by executive pronouncement invalidate the provisions of the constitution, not to talk of the fundamental rights. These are rights that you are torn with. They are not learnable rights. And so for the reason why they go to the presidency is the fact that because we have a system of government where unity reigns to pray. And so the rest of us are those side. And anything they throw at us, we accept the hook line and stinker. Okay, so sorry to cut you on this, Mr. Liberals. So right now, what's the way forward? What's the way forward? How can this whole thing, yes, come to the favor of the people? The way forward is for the government to do what Sarah has asked them to do. You cannot by fear invalidate or override the fundamental rights in the constitution. You take a law before the national assembly and then do the right. It's simple. We are not in a banana republic. All right, Mr. Liberals, just one last question. And please make it very, very short. Do you see the presidency complying to these positions from Sarah? Do you think the presidency is going to accept what Sarah is saying? No, I do not see the president do that because this president is known to obey the law in prison. Consistently, the president, even before the MBA, the president had told us that when matters of securities are confined, that our laws should be suspended. And so I don't see him complying, except Nigeria's collectively compel him to study. All right, then. All right, thank you so much for your time. And thank you, Mr. Evans, as well, for your time. 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