 APC Presidential Campaign Council demands arrest and prosecution of Abbasanjo and Atikua Bubakar over alleged theft of public funds, while the PDP hits back with allegations of money-londering charges of the APC presidential candidate Bola Med Tinibu. Tonight, we take a deep dive into the allegations leveled against the various presidential candidates and the DSS running battle pauses between them and the CBN, governor Emefiele. Well, this is PROS Politics and I am Mary Anna Cohn. As the general elections draw closer, the all-progressive Congress Presidential Campaign Council has demanded the immediate arrest of the former president of Lucegong Abbasanjo and the presidential candidates of the opposition People's Democratic Party Atikua Bubakar over alleged privilege or pilferage of the marine floater count running into billions of Naira. Now, the People's Democratic Party has, however, responded to the demand of the all-progressive Congress seeking to arrest Atikua Bubakar, the PDP candidate. According to them, the APC presidential candidate has a litany of confirmed legal impediments on very grave issues, including those that border on international crime, namely trafficking in narcotics and taking proceeds of narcotics. Well, joining us to discuss this tonight is Binga Oloropome. He is a public relations consultant and an APC member and Tunji Abdulameed, who is a member of the Quora State PDP Presidential and State Campaign Council. He's also a legal practitioner. Thank you so much, gentlemen, for joining us. Thank you for having me. Great. Binga, thank you for joining us. Thank you for having me. Yes. Great. I'm going to start with, of course, you Binga, your party. I remember watching the press conference with your spokesperson talking about the essay in Festus Keamo reeling out and giving the ICPC and the ESCC about 72 hours, if I'm not mistaken, to make sure that these men were arrested. What exactly do you think gives the APC such grounds and, of course, the temerity to put out that statement? All right. Thank you very much. I think only one of the few reasons why my party decided to make such a move is because the legacy media decided to ignore something that we felt was the big enough story that should be on every front page of the newspaper if you really say we want to view the country that holds politicians to account. And A, of somebody who was vice president of this committee, came out and said that he has evidence that he's admitted that he set up special purpose vehicles for the fraud Nigerians of our heart and brain. And guess what? He had been online for more than a week and nobody, nobody said a word about it in the legacy media. Everybody ignored it. This is a young man who is missing in his own life in danger, who mentioned his own name. In fact, he went ahead to publish his and after that bit where he swore that, yes, he was, he has been legally working for this article for years and years. He has pictures of himself with members of this family, with articles himself, which, in fact, this is a guy whose family cannot deny. But guess what? He came out and said, hey, I have evidence that special purpose vehicles were set up by the vice president for the president of the crime. And guess what? The special purpose vehicles were used to siphon money. One of them was used to take money from Joshua Dariye allegedly, who had that money, was a hundred million. And that is the one that we know today, the famous marine float account or whatever it is called. Now, the point is this, if the legacy media had done their job, our media hands the APC won't have had any reason. Well, guess what? I think that we lost that connection with BINGA. We'll try to get BINGA back. Tungi, let's come to you. Anybody can come up with an allegation and, of course, say that they have evidence. I'm curious, like BINGA said, what was the legacy group doing, especially members of the PR for your presidential candidate, have they looked at the evidence? What exactly? Because if this young man is coming out, like he said, to put his life on the line, to say, not just talk about your presidential candidate, but the former, his former principal, former president, the PDP's response mostly is against the APC and their candidate. But what can the PDP say about these allegations? Because they might sound spurious, but then it's a cause for concern. People apparently don't have enough jobs to do, and they were trying to look for more jobs that would make them busy, and in terms of getting them so popular more, in terms of trying to use the popularity of Al-Aja'a, the better candidate of PDP to play their game. I think it's an attempt by the APC to distract a movement. I don't want to use trade, because under the APC now, trade has been hijacked. Why moving? So the moving the campaign of the PDP as it's going, so they want something that we just want to distract attention, which cannot work, because the PDP is focused, Al-Aja'a is focused, and that's why you see, what they are even talking about is, unfortunately, the person behind this is an SA hand. It's an SA hand, and he's just acting based on mere allegations that have not been verified, that have not been confirmed by anybody. Even himself is mere allegations, mere paper, dropped by somebody that have not been confirmed by anybody, that have not been trade by anybody, that have not been investigated by anybody, and you are taking as an unthinker as correct position of things. But Mr. Kayamo is calling on the ICPC and of course the EFCC to go further to investigate. Again, there's a video by this young man who was put out. Most people would say, why has the article campaign, or even the Vice President, former Vice President himself, not come out to say, if he knows this man or not, to give credit, credence, or to, you know, one way or the other debunk this information? Why are they silent? I guess that's the same question that Manga was asking. No, you don't, you don't join issue with people, you don't have any issue with. He made his allegation, he wants to be more popular. I don't know the man, and I'm sure the party, the media and the people in the party have also made statement in that regard. It was not denied. Some people said they know him. He was appointed by a group, campaign support group for Attiku, not by Attiku himself. He has no letter to support to show that he was working for Attiku. He has a letter of appointment to that effect. That is, so what I'm saying is that if you are saying somebody at this age, where I can put my head on another person's head and say this is the person that is talking, that has to be verified first. You have to ensure, look, you have done all the necessary things. Yes, I'm aware, it's calling the ATC to come and do that. Is it by way of a press conference to do that? Just to show you that it's about politics. Is it just going to use Attiku to be more popular in the party, or to have more job to do for now, because they're not much busy in that regard. So I think as far as I'm concerned, and the party is not looking at it in that way, because as far as you are concerned, if you have a case, go to court. And when you go to court, Allagi Attiku Abaka, you know, you just want to create more impression that Allagi Attiku Abaka is corrupt. That's what they are trying to create. That perception to deceive people who are not enlightened, who are not well informed, just like what they normally say, whenever they talk about Attiku is corrupt, what they would tell you is that go and read Pezabaraju's book. Asif in that book, Pezabaraju has elected or gave any particular corrupt practice done by Attiku. He only made a general allegation of corrupt practice, that this man is corrupt, and they will go there. That is the kind of impression they try to create. I want to ask you, have you read that book, My Watch, by former president, Lucia Gwonbassando? Yes, I have done that. And you are certain that you do not elaborate on certain things about Allagi Attiku Abaka? I did not see a specific case where he said, look, on social cases, this social amount of whatever was paid to him, at least that was specific. They are all general, which anybody can make. So that's why Allagi Attiku Abaka is even ignoring those, you know, if you have a good case, you don't join cases with people that don't have case. You are helping them. I let them take their case to court. If that's the case, and then let them now defend it. You know, in our system, it is not the duty of the person that has been alleged to show that I am not guilty, or I didn't do it. It is your duty, who is alleging, to prove it. You who are alleged must prove. So they have to go to court and do that. When they go to court, the PDP and Allagi Attiku Abaka will respond appropriately. You don't respond to rumours. These are rumours. These are just assumptions. These are just allegations that have not been purified, but have not been investigated by anybody. So as far as I'm concerned, it is not a kind of allegation that PDP should be worried about. The Allagi Attiku Abaka should be worried about to say, we want to respond to it. You are joining issues with people who are not. You are giving them more relevance. That's just it. And that's why the PDP has filed a case to Allagi Attiku Abaka as a case to personally assign to that individual's issue. The issue is on the evidence that they are talking about. If submitted to AFS, let's assume, who will go and prove it? Where is the man who made the allegation? Is it the one that has written petition to AFS? When they call at Kriyamo, we will be able to show evidence of those companies said to have been incorporated by Allagi Attiku Abaka. We will be able to show us that, look, these are the names of the directors. Allagi Attiku Abaka is number three, number four, number five in this company. Also, the amount of money was paid to Isaka. This is an issue that cannot be purified, that cannot be substituted. So, as far as I'm concerned, they are just mere allegation that does not even require much explanation. They just want to create that impression, that perspective or impression that, look, Allagi Attiku Abaka is caught up. I don't know if we have Benga back. Benga, are you there? Can you hear me? Yes, I can hear you very well. And I'm enjoying it. Yeah, we lost connection with you for a bit. You must have enjoyed it. You must have enjoyed it. Thank you. So, again, there are many questions that he raised. How do you, how are you certain? Because Festa sounded more like he has the evidence with him. He knows that the evidence is tested and tried and he can go to court with it. Again, anybody, I can come up today and say that I have evidence for something. I know this person. Of course, I know you, you and I are speaking, but I could also make claims that could be spurious. But when it comes down to it, should the APC be sitting on this issue, have they gone themselves to authenticate this so-called evidence that this young man has? And should you be having a press conference on this matter? Just a question. So, we are a party of processes. We understand processes. We understand processes. And I'm happy to announce that nobody knew that Festa's family is a senior advocate of the world. And you can't ask us to verify that. And I repeat what I said in the beginning of this conversation. If the legacy media had come here to actually shine a light on this matter, the way they are supposed to, it wouldn't have had to address a press conference. That would have needed to happen because the investigation would have been done by the people who should have done it. That press conference was done to prompt those who are, you know, hiding their, you know, hiding their head under the sand. Look, you can't not say you are not hearing this. You are not saying you are not seeing this. The young man we are talking about here, and I'm not going to, for him even working for it to start with, it means that not a good virtue to start with. But the APC conducted a world press conference on an issue that you're telling me that you're not certain if you had verified it in the first place. And if it becomes, hold on, if it does turn out to be false, should the PDP be doing the APC campaign counsel to court? I'm saying you, you're saying that, hold on, just hold on, so that you understand me and you can answer me. If you're telling me that this should be the job of the PDP to investigate, well, yes, fine and well. And this is a job of the PDP. Is that the job of those that should put the investigation? Yes, yes, but then you're calling a press conference on a matter that you're not even certain that it's true, right? Because he says he has evidence, but do you know if the evidence can hold water? And that is why Seferstos Kayamo has written a letter to the Executive Chairman of the EFCC, the Executive Chairman, the Chairman of the ICPC, and the Chairman of the Contra Beirut, the Court of Conduct Beirut, that, look, is giving them 72 hours to either invite or arrest, interrogate and prosecute alleged criminals based on these four evidence. One, offenses against the the Court of Conduct for Public Officers. Two, offence of money laundering. Three, offence of criminal breach of trust and criminal misappropriation. And four, offence of conspiracy. That is it. If somebody has made, as small as I am, if somebody makes an allegation against me, that is, wait, EFCC would invite me and question me. That's all we are asking these bodies to do. Investigate. The young man has gone ahead to swear and have to have it a guess. He was an aide of this man. Yes, he had. As per you speak, there's a recording, and I don't know why we're not playing this recording on here. There's a recording of article explaining what STV means to this young man. There is a recording, a phone recording with emails, with phone numbers. We want that to come out and say, that is not my phone number. We want that to come out and say, that boy had never met him. We want that to come out and say, I don't know what STV means, but a special purpose very good means. Why? Because it is the right of if you are acting and you really take your part of integrity in the court, you come out and defend yourself. For him not defending himself, it is an admission. That is what we are saying. He's admitting that he's caught up and he's telling the engineer that it doesn't matter. Let's talk about. Our politicians can be caught up and they will not be investigated. And that's what we are saying is that the ICPC, the EFCC, and the Court of Conduct, they will to do their jobs and invite this but and dig the bottom of this matter. Because that's what, as against them that would just throw allegations at us without taking the step, we are taking the step and written a letter. Go and investigate this matter because we are sure. Okay. I will part of bring up because he's not a lawyer and he does not know how it operates. When you write petition to EFCC, the person who wrote the petition will have to come and verify and so and so reason why that must happen. Do they have those enough, they don't have those documents to back up their allegation other than the one they printed out from the. I said that he has said that he has the evidence, that he has the evidence. What do you want? Is it the man that said he has the evidence coming to court, to the EFCC? It's a thought party. Yes, he has evidence. That's what they're bringing. Guillermo is not the one who said he has those evidence. It should not be the one to review the petition. People thought there's nothing going to be any petition. It should be the man who said I have a case against Aladji Artiku because he'll be the one to prove it. It's not Guillermo that will come and give evidence before the court. So he doesn't even know what he's saying and unfortunately it's an S&N. It's an S&N. You know these things. It's just politics. You see, unfortunately when the country where people are not even, in fact, APC, if they have what we call shame, sorry for my follow up, I get it. They should not even be the one to even raise this issue. Why shouldn't the APC raise this issue? I'm curious. That's what I'm doing. This is a party, this is a party, this is a party that has been asked a lot of questions regarding age, regarding the drug issue, regarding his identity. So many questions on his head regarding what does he do for his living? What does he do? He has not come to answer any of them. And there are people talking about somebody's corrupt here. Nobody can say this is a job. This is why he makes money. This is what he's doing. What is the case, what is the corruption case that is against the APC presidential candidate? Thank you very much. He's asking. There is a lot of corruption cases against him. There is issue of a bullion fund. It was an example. It's a money on the issue. There's a bullion fund issue in 2019. It's not been investigated up to date. So how do you know? Benga, please, please let him speak. There's a case in court filed by one of his former directors in Alphabeta against him. Erased so many issues before the, before the, the, the, the, the, uh, I caught up legacy. Today the file is cannot be found. Probably that's, I mean, that may even be one of the reasons. Oh, the same man that has endorsed him. Benga, please, can you let him finish? It doesn't, it doesn't matter. He may have endorsed him. He hasn't, the people are in court. These people, he can, he can erase that. He has passed it. He has signed it, I believe, before the court. So that's why he's even before the court. The, the, that's why he has not come out to even, uh, uh, contradict those, uh, position. The, this is a, this is a party, uh, whose candidate cannot even answer so many of these questions. The drug issue are there, satisfactory copy of judgment available. And that's he's talking about, uh, allegation, or an issue that cannot be purified, that cannot even be substituted. Who, I can come out today and say, and say anything against you or even do my own magic and say you are, you are 2G and I'm, uh, Benga. I can change your head at this age, to my own. And that would be, that would be the, we have to purify it. And that's why AFCC or the agencies are not giving this up because they've not seen proper evidence before them to say, they can't just say because 2G said somebody is corrupt. They will not just go after that case. There must be evidence. They have work to do. They are not like, maybe, like I said earlier on, APC media people don't have what to do. And they are very busy and they want to be busy with something. And they are trying to bring this up, so as to be busy and to be seen as being busy, to be able to say they are doing something. As far as I'm concerned, it's a distraction, which will not work. The article is more mature than that. PDP is more mature than that. They will not fall for this distraction. That's why no police are answering them. No police. You can see a lot of people don't even bother. They are in like a case today doing their campaign. Okay. They, they, they are hoping. They don't bother about all these allegations. So they are not moved. So don't worry. Just go and move what that means. That this, all destruction will not affect our career, and for your information, for your information, the, the issue of, even, let's even assume they're not considering that allegation of a corruption, corruption against a larger group of, that is not a grant to disqualify anybody on that section 137, or the constitution of the federal government. Once you have tried, found guilty and sentenced, that's when you have become disqualified. So it's unfortunate that SCN is based on allegation, is asking that a candidate be set to set aside or be disqualified because of. But that, but that the same can be said about your party because your party is also saying that your, the candidate of the APC should be disqualified on the grounds of the fact that he also has claims of, you know, corruption hanging around him. So I mean, in this case. If you are saying so, so let them at the best point of defense to attack as well. They are saying something that is not, let us also put it to them and see what will be their own reactions as well. If you are saying somebody should resign, also step aside based on allegation. Okay, I love allegation against your candidate as well. Let them also step aside. If that's what they're doing, they are afraid that they can meet this ma at the pool and they're trying to look for a way to set him aside. Benga, you wanted to interject a long time ago, but now you can. Benga, are you there? Yes, I've been fully entertained tonight because it is clear to me that my contributions as RATU, my paris down the other side and the point is this, you have a candidate who's own aid saying that his own personality has come and has shown that the evidence is there. Now it's not there, it's not there. The evidence is there. He was his letter of application, his pictures, even statements from his children. He has recorded statements from the children of this man admitting to criminal practices and what he plans. That is what we are talking about here. If you want to say here, he's a man who said that he viewed his wealth by selling cars while he admitted. This man admitted in the face of the world that he was selling cars when all you are supposed to do as a public, as a civil servant, is all the only business you are allowed to do is agriculture. But guess what? He admitted publicly that he was selling cars. Is that the man who want to express that? Those are the questions. Is there a man who today in a kitty, less than 5,000 people turned up at the rally? Because they know, from all these things, they know that. I'm sorry, Benga, I have a question. I have a question and I'm sorry. So if a person has less than 5,000 people turning up. That is not even correct. That is not even correct. No, no, no, no. Just hold on. No, no, no, no. Hold on. Hold on. I've seen that. Tunji, hold on. I've accepted that. Hold on. I'm going somewhere. How is this a grounds for a person not to run for office because you just had 5,000 people turn up for him at his campaign? Oh, I'm going to say this. How is that a problem to you in the APC? If you have 5,000 people talking about it, why is it a problem for you in the APC? I remember the APC same with six gentlemen who are breast conflict. Can you hear me? I'm listening. Yes. I remember the APC probably even joined the party earlier than the six gentlemen, directors of the media who address the breast conflict. They have their opinion. They are saying that, I don't think I should. Personally, I don't think so because we are going to beat him back completely on the field. It is clear in the direction of this election. It is very, very good. Today, in Quara, where my friend there is, he is current, we showed in a lorry, we showed the world that are ready for this election. It was the mammoth crowd that turned up at that campaign. It was as has never been done before. But there in the city today, what happened? The reason is simple. This is a man that cannot even unite his own party. He can't even unite his own party in more than half of the state in this country. The party is in fact one of them being where he went to be. And it showed. So if a man that can't unite his party, whose aides are telling on him, whose children are conspiring among themselves and making sure that he runs for an office, they know his mouthpiece. Who was helped up the stairs in Lokoja, helped up and helped down the stairs by A. And Binga, please tell our people that you plated a movement restriction in the kitty today just because of this campaign. Tell the people that let's know that your government declared restriction. Movement restriction in the kitty. So that's what the people were going to do on this campaign. Gentlemen, gentlemen, gentlemen, because we're out of time quickly, I just want to ask a quick question. The Labour Party is waded into this mess and the Labour Party is saying that both the PDP and the APC presidential candidates need to be tried. And if possible, disqualified being that both candidates have been seen as corrupt. I want a statement each from you guys because we have to go now quickly. So let me quickly go because when the Labour Party candidate is speaking about this election he's what we are calling PDP life. He was a member of the PDP for a long time. He was also an advisor to the former president. The Labour Party is saying that your candidate is corrupt and if there is evidence enough to try your candidate and disqualify him. As far as we are concerned, whatever he says we don't care about, he was the governor of Haiti, no impact. He was advisor on the economy, no impact. So what should we care what he has to say? Okay, thank you. Thank you. Thank you very much. Menga, I just said. The only confidence is the only one that has. Menga, we have to go. We have to go. We have to go. We have to go. We have to go. We have to go. Menga, we have to go. We have to take Tunji's response. All right, quickly. Labour Party is just trying to do for a short cut to become the president because he knows that there is no way he can win this election. So it's only when there is no number one, number two, which is number one Satiku, number two is actually what I meant to do. Probably he will come in and then we likely step in. We've been number one and number two. And who gave you these numberings? Who assigned these numberings to you? You confirm it by February 25th. You will say, you will say I can't. But who gave you these numberings? Who gave you number one? You will say I say so. I gave it. I have studied everything. So you're saying that the PDP can win elections for themselves without Nigeria? Just promise that you will. You'll find me back to come out of the PDS. I will tell you that I say so. Okay. Well, I want to say thank you. Thank you, gentlemen. We have to go. I had to get my backpack. It's our next president. We have to go. Nigerians will decide who becomes their president. Bingo, along with me is a public relations consultant and an APC member. Tunji Abdulamid is a member of the Quora State PDP Presidential and State Campaign Council and is also a legal practitioner. Thank you so much, gentlemen, for being part of the conversation. Thank you. Over to me. That's all over me. All right. We'll take a quick break. When we return, we'll be discussing the drama that ensued within the central bank even though the DSS has come out to say, no such thing happens. Stay with us.