 Oh, thank you, Pastor. All right, was that good? You guys ready for more? All right. All right. Thank you, Kendall. You guys say thank you, Kendall. Kendall's one of our third-year students. This is my wife, Katie. My wife and I lead Sozo Church in Belfair, Washington. We lead Walk of the Light International. We build schools and hospitals and churches throughout West Africa, and now all over, but we have our school ministry, Sozo School of Ministry. We have our counseling center, like I was sharing, where you can receive interhealing deliverance five days a week. Yeah, we have online schools. We have getting ready in January to launch schools in Europe and in West Africa for online. We have in-person stuff all throughout West Africa for elementary, middle school, high school, health centers, churches, all kinds of stuff, crusades, all kinds of stuff like that. But we're beginning to do some online and in-person stuff in West Africa and coming up as well in Eastern Europe, so Romania, stuff like that. Me and Vlad will be in Ukraine together, or Ilya. And what's the other guy, Rickard? I've never met Rickard, I don't think. Rickard, how do you say? Oh, there's something there. You guys need healing? Put your hand on your heart, it's all right. We joke about that, I said his name wrong, how do you say it? Oh, there was the, about, oh, okay, I thought I said his name wrong. I was like, oh, we're offended, you know, I'm like, oh, okay, I touched something there. I've been in the room with him, but haven't got to meet him. He was casting out devils, I think. Come on, there's a little table over there, man. All right, so we're gonna go ahead and start the inner healing conversation and walk you through kind of what is inner healing, what are wounds, how do we deal with, how do we walk through wounds? There's a lot of, we'll just start with this. We always say, not all inner healing is made equal, okay? So there is some inner healing that if I saw it, I'd go, if I saw it, I'd go, what is that? I go, oh, this is inner healing, right? We're like, that's not inner healing. So just know that, that people will go, oh, inner healing, you stay away from that. And I've been around some of that, I'm like, yeah, you should, that's weird. But it's actually what the world does, okay? So psychology is really the counseling towards inner healing, right? So psychologists spend most of their time counseling the soul, but trauma and wounded parts of the soul. Have you ever seen movies where there's a counselor? Tell me more, how do you feel? How many have you seen it? Come on. Okay, so how many have you seen Goodwill Hunting? Right where he's like, oh no, he's, and he's like messing with him, right? So he's like, oh no, okay. So that imagery, if he wasn't messing around, would be the imagery of what a soul wound would look like. Oh, he's touching me. He's mocking what the guy's looking for, which is trauma of the soul, right? So that stuff will come up just like that at times, okay? So psychologists are trying to, through the world's way, to counsel these wounded parts. We're not trying to counsel them. We're trying to heal them. Once they're gone, once Jesus has healed them, you can't find them anymore, they're gone. So psychologists just keep counseling those hurting parts over and over and over. And some are wicked and they'll actually program those parts, right? That's like ritual abuse and some of that stuff. They'll actually intentionally wound, witches and warlocks will intentionally traumatize their children and program those wounded parts. Even do it and say, Jesus loves you and hit them so that when you come and say Jesus loves you, get away from me, I hate that. Because their soul has been traumatized to this. So it's wickedness in the world, right? But the world understands how the soul works more than the church does, oftentimes is what I'm getting at. So psychologists know how the soul works and the fractures and the wounded parts, they call them altars, right? An alter ego, have you heard this? An alter, another part of the soul, okay? All of that has to do with inner healing. Jesus can take care of what psychologists can never take care of and $100,000 of psychologists stuff you can take care of in 10 minutes with an inner healing appointment, it's crazy. So I've had people who said that to me. It's like, I've been in counseling for like 20 years and spent like a fortune. Like what just happened? Like I'm like free. Like I'm so mad at the fact that like, why did I get this then? Like I've gone through the ringer and you're telling me it was that easy? And I'm like, hey, sorry. It's like the world is trying to do its best to help that which the church is supposed to do. So Jesus, there is a solution for split personality. There's a solution for all that stuff. We dealt with it this last week. Person who had like 20, 30 different personalities, names and everything gone, all of it healed, okay? Powerful ministry, okay? So we need to understand this. As Pastor said, sometimes you think you have a demon routed, you wrangled a demon and you actually wrangled their soul and they look differently and how you deal with them is completely different, right? You can't cast out their soul, okay? If you can't do it, you have to bring Jesus to heal it. Okay, so we're gonna learn that today. So that's what we really, we talk about inner healing, our definition of inner healing, not necessarily the world definition of inner healing but we say it's an encounter with Jesus. Any inner healing that doesn't involve Jesus is an inner healing. It's just counseling or psychology. So a lot of times we meet with people like Tom was saying and we're like, they'll say, oh, I've already dealt with this. And then, but when we bring up the wound and Jesus comes to heal, their wound wasn't healed. They received counseling to their wound but they never received healing because only Jesus can heal people's hearts. And so when we talk about inner healing, we're talking about the ministry of Jesus to come and bind up the brokenhearted which means it has to involve an encounter with Jesus. So people will say inner healing, they'll talk about all this other stuff but like Tom said, not all inner healing is equal, not all of it's the same. And so it is important, that's why we always just say it has to involve Jesus. That's our definition of inner healing is inner healing involves an encounter with Jesus. And when I talk to people all the time, this is because Jesus is about this ministry. So deliverance, how many of you know, I've heard stories of sovereign deliverances meaning people were in their apartment, they called it in the name of Jesus and they got delivered. How many of you guys have heard a story of a sovereign deliverance? Yes. Or a sovereign healing, you ever heard somebody just like God just healed them because someone touches them and they got healed but no one prayed, right? That's the same with inner healing. Most of you have experienced sovereign inner healing. What this means is during worship or during an encounter with the Lord, God brought something up to your mind and spoke truth to you and then you were free from that pain and that emotion. Have any of you ever experienced this before? Exactly. This is inner healing. It's an encounter with Jesus where he takes you back into a memory or into a wound. He speaks truth to you, helps you to forgive and to release that pain to him. But just like with deliverance, if we waited on Jesus to sovereignly deliver everybody, how well would that go? No, God actually called us to be deliverance. Exactly. He said, he sent the church to go do that. We're all waiting for God to do what he sent us to do. So he's like, no, you do it. And we find that to be true with inner healing. A lot of us, a lot of the churches, they trust God to heal people's hearts but we're wanting God to do it all sovereignly. When in reality, he gave us the ministry of binding up the broken heart in. And so what we're gonna teach today is how to minister inner healing and help represent Jesus and be his hands and feet to people to bring an encounter of Jesus to somebody who doesn't either know how to get it, doesn't know it's available to them. Because how many of us know that people sometimes don't know deliverance is even available to them, right? A lot of people don't know that Jesus can actually heal the heart. Yeah, they don't know they have a demon. And the idea of it is kind of like, no, there's no, I don't have any demons, right? Cause instantly for them, that means I'm demonized. I'm possessed, you know? And even the other day I was talking to someone and they're like, like, no, Christians can't, you know? And there was a pastor who believes in deliverance but it was like, wait a second, are you saying Christian? You know, I'm like, yeah. And he's like, well, they can't be possessed. I'm like, no, and so it's very simple stuff that probably the first week you guys all figured out. And if not, you came already knowing this because of the teachings and all that. So the same is with inner healing. People don't know they need it. Some do, right? Some people are like, I need deliverance, please help. You know, it's like, some know, but many who think not me, for sure that person who's doing weird stuff over there, they need deliverance, but not me. I'm not weird, you know? And then the same is the case with inner healing. You're like, I don't need inner healing. This person over here who won't stop crying all the time, they probably need inner healing, but not me, right? I don't have any emotions. I'm all good. You know, it's like, no, you probably need more inner healing than that person. I don't need inner healing. So that's kind of the concept of is we understand that inner healing can look like a spectrum of somebody who has complete dissociation and mental disorders and or all the way over to just anxiety, fears, insecurities, mindsets that they can't seem to control and tear down. So like anxiety can be a demon, but ultimately also can be rooted in a wound. So then you cast the devil out, an event happens, you partner with it again, keeps coming back. Well, why do you keep partnering with it? Cause the wound there tells you, you're not safe, you're not safe. The wound is feeling like that. The demon's not there empowering it, multiplying it. You can feel the difference when the demon's in there or not, but the reason it keeps coming back is we haven't got to the root of the soul being healed. Yeah. So inner healing will help with releasing the hurts and the pains of the wounds, which helps them tear down the lies and the mindset that that wound believed and help forgive and to ultimately allow Jesus to have access to your whole soul and that everything comes into the light. And so that's kind of just what we define as inner healing. Is that? So this is how many of you, you guys have been here only five weeks or some of you actually from here? Many of you came from other states? How many came from somewhere else? This is not your home church most, okay. So how many of your churches do deliverance? Okay, whoa. They do now, I'm just joking. So I'm not saying do that there, I'm sure they're saying I'm your leaders, okay. So what you'll find is in many deliverance ministries is people who need deliverance again and again and again. But it's kind of like, hey, I kicked you out yesterday. What are you doing in here? I was with one of my good guys, Disciples for Africa, and I love their accents. He says, what was the demon? I can't remember. Anyways, it doesn't matter. It's like three days later, he's like, I kicked you out on Tuesday. What are you doing here? You know, it's like, but the person has just so much trauma in their soul that it's like the demon gets. The demon's response was, by the way, was she thinks I'm her best friend. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So that was interesting. So the mindset when the demon comes, they just think it's them, right? Because the mindset's so strong. So anyways, but oftentimes that's rooted within the trauma of the soul. So this is what you'll begin to find with someone that if you've casted out the devils and they're still just like, oh, please pray for me. I'm like, oh, this stuff. And you're like, no, I've prayed for you so many times, like the stuff is going on in the soul. Now, I haven't met anyone that doesn't need inner healing. Okay, I haven't met anyone. Not one person who hasn't gone through inner healing who doesn't need inner healing. Why? So here's where wounds come from. So you have this, what are wounds and what do they look like? Where do they come from? Psychologists, we'll call it an altar, but it comes from a moment where there's an event where you're not able to cope with what's going on, okay? So the soul is actually a beautiful thing. You can read this, I'm gonna allude to it, but this handout is for you. I'm sure they can make it available for the podcast or anything like that. But what's gonna happen is most of your wounds are actually gonna be from your childhood. Cause this is a time that your coping mechanisms aren't fully developed. Meaning, if I go up to a one-year-old and I just scream in his face, the baby's gonna freak out. It's like, what is happening? If I do that to you, you're like, you're weird, oh, get away from me. Can you see the difference? So a child doesn't know what to do with that. It can't cope with that. I'm just yelling in his face, calling it stupid. If I do that to you, you're like, like, you need to, you know, you need some help. But you're not, you're not gonna get in the, like, just start crying. You're just like, dude, you're weird. You can cope with it. There are weird people. So you're like, yeah, I've met people like you, you're weird and you need help. So, but you're not going to, most likely, you're not gonna be wounded by it. You're gonna be like, how's your day? Pretty good. There was a weird moment this morning, but it's not gonna change your life. It's not gonna wound you for the rest of your life. But when these things happen, when you're young, the soul is not able to cope with it. And this is where most inner healing will be found. So we're gonna get into what wounds look like and how to deal with them. But oftentimes what you'll discover is the vast majority of them happen before they're like 15. After that, they can still happen, but it's oftentimes a lot less that you'll find them. The vast majority is going to be when they were young before their coping skills. Divorce can cause this. Sexual abuse can cause this. Just rejection in general. Neglect can cause these things. And so these wounds, what it kind of looks like is something's going on in the soul, if you can picture it. The soul is made up of your mind, your will, and your emotions, okay? So something's happening that your soul cannot cope with. Dad is touching me. I'm four or five. The soul is like, this is not good. This is not supposed to be happening. What's going on? And the soul will, in a way, disassociate. This is what psychologists will disassociate. Now the part of them that is the cognitive part that will continue to grow up. That part pulls away for a moment. And there's this other part that's now been created. That's a wounded part of the soul. That part will take the trauma. When the trauma ends, the part that took the trauma goes into the background and the person that has to grow up will come back. The cognitive mind will come back. So this, as many times as this happens, these things are created and are in there. Now some had a bunch of stuff going on when they were young. They got a bunch of them. Some are more severe. Why? I don't know, okay? No one really knows how come certain people I pray for, that wound will come up and talk to me like a full on, like Pastor Ely said, a demon, it'll come up just the other day. I said, all right, Jesus, if there's any wounded part of the soul, would you bring it to their mind? No, I didn't just bring it to them. It took the seed of the mind like a demon can. And it's, I'm like, okay. I thought I cast all the devils yesterday. So who are you? Isolation. Okay, isolation, are you a demon? No. Do you protect them? Yes. When did you come in? When we were four. What was going on? And then the trauma, right? So that part needs to go be with Jesus. But that part is, and now that technically we'll get into this was a protector, all right? There's gonna be within wounds, we'll talk about it's like what's in a wound, but there's different things within a wound. And that part is kind of the disassociation at a deeper level where there's a whole split personality. There's another part of them. Now that person specifically, will find themselves walking down the road and then come to and go, when did I leave home? How did I get here? Because the soul is so fractured that there's other parts of them that can come like a demon and take the seat. Now I delivered a whole bunch of demons out of them, how come? Because we got all these wounded parts of the soul, in a sense they're like a city without walls. There's no defense because all of these wounds are harboring ungodly emotions and beliefs and unforgiveness and all this stuff. These demons can come in and out, just no problem. So we have to cast all the devils out, heal all the wounds. Oftentimes we'll either way, whether you heal the wounds and get the demons out or either way, but you'll have to deal with these wounds for that person to stay free. Now someone as bad as that person was, oftentimes we'll just be in a psych ward. Why? Because they keep finding themselves in really bad situations and society doesn't know what to do with them because they're blacking out and coming too. Now this person got lucky because no one programmed any of those wounds, like occult's will, right? People fall into occult because there's a bunch of demons in there like, hey, go hang out with this occult. And then they realize you have these, they program them, they do bad stuff. Even I think Marvel just made a show about it, right? There's a guy with split personality and they made a whole show about it. Those things can be completely healed. That show wouldn't exist anymore. And actually in the show it's crazy, they show how they happened. It's identically how they happened. I was like, okay, Marvel actually knows how these things are made and they're like making shows about it. This is disassociation, this is multiple personality. All of these things can be healed. Now most people have them at a very small level. I want to use the most extreme level, split personality, multiple personalities, bipolarism, all this stuff rooted in the soul, all right? How many of you have seen, okay, maybe not if we're teaching inner healing. I've done inner healing, the physical body, the second the wound was healed, the physical body was healed. They had the deaf ear, this wound was healed, their ear opened, no one prayed. The wound was gone because the physical body was in response to the soul. Second the soul was healed, their physical body started being healed. Another way to know if someone needs inner healing is if their sicknesses keep coming back. That tells you that it's rooted in a wound. You want to read this here? Some of these characteristics. So I wanted to kind of give an example. So we gave the examples of disassociation, but I want to give an example of just like suppressed wounds and trauma. They're different, right? So one's the disassociation. It'll look differently than just suppressed emotions. So those are gonna, we deal with them the same way, but one will be more extreme than the other. So PTSD, for example, I just want to give another analogy that everybody has seen, because a lot of the shows and movies I think have been way before their time, like two people have raised their hand, but just funny because now I feel a little old. Probably just not watching that stuff either though. But it is that if you ever seen a war, I've seen movies where the war veteran, they hear the bullets going off and then they curl up in a ball because they feel like they're in the war again. Does this make sense? They're not in war, they hear bang and then they go into a. Okay, that's called what we call a trigger of a wound. So they feel like they're in the war again. Does that make sense? Down to, so that's like an extreme example of that. But down to a smaller example, I just want to like share my story a little bit because I want to make it really non-weird and deep, which is very simple, is when I received, when we started moving through deliverance, I got deliverance right away from a spirit of infirmity that had been tormenting me, bladder issues. But I had anxiety really bad and had it my whole life and it was super familiar to me. My family was generational. Fear and other things that I took a little bit longer to get rid of. So when a friend from Africa was praying for me and he, every time he tried to pray for anxiety, the anxiety would get worse. Like it would just like ramp up and ramp up. And I was like, man, it just won't leave or it would like get a little better, but then a moment later it'd be back. So he said, I want you to go and sit with the Lord and ask the Lord to show you where anxiety came in. And when I went and sat with the Lord, I was 16 years old when I had my first panic attack. And when I was filling out my college applications and I all of a sudden like had this just fear of failure set upon me that I was going to fail and I wasn't gonna be able to make it. I wasn't gonna be able to do everything I wanted to do. And I had my first panic attack. And when I went back into this memory, like with the Lord, I was like, okay, Lord, like where did anxiety come in? I'd forgotten about how it started. And in that moment, I said like the panic attack was what we call like, it felt like my heart kind of exploded a little bit. Like I got wounded because of the fear of failing. Does that make sense? And so it created these mindsets and that's where the spirit came in was through this trauma of filling out these college applications and I had a panic attack. And that was a trauma to me at 16 years old. And the lie was that I could fail. And so when I spent time with the Lord on it, the truth was that I could never fail God. Does that make sense? So the way that this suppressed emotional pain and wounds would happen was anytime I would get into a situation where I was afraid to fail, the wound would come up in the manifestation of a panic attack, do you make sense? So you have a PTSD person who's in war and they manifest like that. But for me, my trigger or wound manifestation looked like anxiety and a fear of failure. Does that make sense? So if you were put in a situation where you begin to feel like, I don't think I could do this, that thing would begin to come up. My soul would manifest and trigger and the spirit of anxiety was there as well but it wasn't as simple as that. It was like my whole soul would manifest and I was just terrified and afraid to fail. That's what we call a trigger of a wound. And so- So one of the first ways we saw, so for me, I got radically saved. I was a sinner and robbing people doing wickedness. And I, middle child of 11, grew up in Tacoma, fought like every day of my life. House burned down when I was 12, ended up homeless. I come into church at 19, I'm hardened. I am like six, two, two, 20, been playing football and I am turned myself into a machine and everything has gone bad after that. Now I'm just angry, hurting people. I'm just like, but inside I'm hurting so bad. Like on the exterior, I'm like, don't mess with me, I will hurt you. On the inside, I'm hurting and I'm scared and I'm just like, where am I gonna sleep tonight? What am I gonna do? You know, just like so scared. So my friends didn't know, but I was a wreck and I started calling out to the Lord. She invites me, meets me and invites me to church. I come to church three weeks in, have this crazy encounter with the Lord. I whisper his name, he shows up with power. And I'm just like, out. And the Lord begins to just, to take me into these past memories and begins to remind me of these events and tell me I need to forgive this person and do this and do that. No one else in the church was having this. But every week for four months, the power of God would come up on me, I'd go out and I'd be drooling on the ground and I'd come out of it like, pastor's already preaching and I'm like, get on my seat like, amen pastor. I didn't know what was happening in the sense of why God kept doing this and why it wasn't happening to anyone else. So fast forward like, I don't know, 10, 12, 13 years after I got saved, we started delivering, doing deliverance because we work in Africa and all this stuff and the stuff we were trying to do in America that wasn't deliverance, wasn't helping. So then we ourselves got some deliverance from stuff that had happened in that season as, that season that we were in between college and in pastoring churches and we got some deliverance. And so then we just started going after deliverance. Once you think it's all, everything's a demon. So we were like, it'll all be fixed if I say, come out. So we said, sir, come out you devils. People start getting delivered, it's awesome. But then we realized, not everything's a devil. So we started asking questions. So sometimes it was like, you know, people would be healed just from deliverance or physical body would be healed. Sometimes they wouldn't, so we were like, okay, read this book, do this, Randy Clark, this, that and other things, be healed. People are being healed, we're like, sweet. Started getting words of knowledge, all these different things started happening. But then there were certain situations where like, it's not that, not that, not that, not that. And the Lord said, invite this person. So this person comes, sits with this little girl, she's 11 years old. No longer able to go to school. She'd been out of school for two years. She's been to all these psychologists. They gave us like a half inch to three quarters of an inch of paperwork from all these psychologists. All of them, same diagnosis basically. And they said, you know, we, there's nothing really, we can see, try to cope with what's going on, but we really can't help her. So mom brings her, this little girl's 11 years old, black rings around her eyes, because she hasn't been sleeping and she's just demonized. So any little thing would cause her to go into kind of a panic attack and anxiety and shut down. So this person says, okay, it's okay. Very sweet, okay, let's just pray, you know. And they walked, we'll walk you through and dealt with these different things. What had happened is her dad, right in front of her, had choked the family dog, sort of slammed it against the wall, right in front of her and threw it when she was nine. This wounded her. So when he says, if there's any wounded part within her soul that you want to heal God, would you bring it up right now? And all of a sudden she goes, he says, what's going on, what's going on? Her dad, he's choking our dog. She, that part of her, that nine year old part that's wounded came right up and she's scared. And I'm like, and then he invited Jesus. And I'm like, wait a second, this is like, when I was at the church and I started going out and all of a sudden these events started coming up and I would be, Jesus, I don't want to be here. And he's like, it's okay, all of a sudden I feel safe. He would say, and I'd be upset at someone and he'd be like, you know what they're really going through, he would show me, I'd have compassion. He says, you should forgive him, huh? And I'm like, I feel this release. And I would see Jesus and he would come and he would take something from me. He was healing my soul. But I would try to tell her what was happening. And she's like, that's cool. But no, it wasn't happening to anyone else. I was just this weird guy, right? And then I watched someone actually minister to it. I had asked the Lord for seven years. I was leading this church. Our first Sunday, 500 people show up. I'm 25, I don't know what I'm doing. I'm like, oh my gosh, there's all these people. Help God, I can't lead 10 people and I don't know what to do with all these people. So I'm like, God, come and do what you did for me for them. I'm praying all the time, get him Lord. He's not. They're just like lukewarm Christians. I'm like, trying to like get him like, I love God. Why don't you love God, you sinners. So I'm like, they're just wounded. I know that. I didn't know what wounds were. But I'm like, God, do it for them what you did for me. And he wasn't. I was confused, but in this moment, I want someone do for someone else what God had done for me. And I knew from that moment, I was like, this is God. He has Jesus, Jesus comes, ministers to her and she can see it, she's there. Her whole body's responding to it. Now this is a severe wound for her to be physically. Jesus leaves with this little part of her and she's healed. She comes out of it. Her eyes are no longer black. She completely looks different. And he says, anything unclean, you know, he doesn't deeming come out of this little girl. No, he says, anything unclean that had came into this wound leave now and you've seen her. That was it, super sweet. I'm like, this is beautiful. And I'm like, I know this is God because he did the same for me. I don't see this girl and this mom for like a week. I'm like, hopefully they're like, hopefully it went good because I've like, never ministered to anyone like this. I just let someone in my church minister to this person. You know, I'm like, oh gosh, hopefully they're not going around town. These guys are weirdos. So I'm like, okay, we'll see. I don't see them. They don't give any response. I run into them at Starbucks. I'm like, hey, how's your daughter? She says, she's been sleeping to the night from the, she hadn't slept through the night for two years. She said that first night and ever since she slept through the night, she's back in school already, completely healed. So I'm like, Jesus, this king. I'm like, Satan, you're a liar and your kingdom's going down. And I just, we just began to do this ministry and God began to teach us and bring people in to help us. But the very next day, before I even got that report, I had this man before me that had already delivered that kept going through the same things. I said, close your eyes. I'm afraid for you differently. And I just walked him through what I had watched. The first event that came up was when he was five and they put him in a psych ward and tied him to a thing and left him there. I'm like, I'm trying to cast out addiction, you know, because he kept going to addiction, but it's rooted in the fact that when he was five, they put him in a psych ward and just strapped him to a table and left him there. Right what came up right away. It's cold, it's cold, it's dark, I'm scared. It's sort of the normal person. Contractor builds, yeah. You know what I mean, but has an addiction problem. I can't seem to stay free and then. Boom, healed. So we were like, okay, so sometimes it's devils and sometimes it's wounds and sometimes it's be healed. And so we started to learn the complexity of this ministry. So now we wanna, is there anything else before we go in through kind of help them understand anything else or we can just go into practice. We can go into what lives in them and break that down. Perfect. Yeah. So we just shared a couple of different examples, but this is where what we talk about is what lives inside soul wounds. So we're gonna use the word soul wounds in this point forward. I wanna explain really quickly, a little bit more about triggers. So those are the kind of the key words. So we call, psychologists will call it altars disassociation. For normal, it was our church ministry, we call them soul wounds, because people understand broken hearts. Jesus wants to heal your broken heart. So we are just giving you a big overview of it so you can understand like what the world would say about this. But in general, these are the key words that we use is wounded hearts, so soul wounds, and then triggers to make sense. So triggers when something that causes it to come up. So they're triggered, but something triggered that trigger to come up. And now you'll hear someone say, you're acting like a two year old. Anyone ever heard that or said that to someone? Cause they're not being their normal self. They're just being irrational. And you're like, you stop being real. You're trying to make them logical and they're not being logical. That's probably triggered part. So this happens when we, this is like our number one go to for marriage counseling, because this is the best people that can trigger you, typically are people closest to you. So that's why people can go around, go to work and go about their life and seem fine. But at home, when they get triggered by, let's say their wife, and this is Tom and one of our stories was, Tom had gotten a ticket and he, I was really upset about it, and it triggered something in me. And so I'm like just going on and won't stop. He's like, Katie, can you please stop? You know. I call it the Chihuahua. She's, I'm just like, I need you to stop. I couldn't stop because I'm triggered. So emotions have now taken over. So this nice, sweet little person that has self control and has the Holy Spirit to help me. It's gone. No longer has that self control because I'm upset. So I'm driving and I'm like, Katie, I don't know what's going on. Cause I got radically saved, healed and delivered. So I've just been this weird Christian ever since, right? So I got like that happened at 19. I'm just like, Jesus, this is amazing. Everything felt well, right? I'm in college now. It's been a couple of years. We've married for a year or I get a ticket. I don't have any money. I'm like, I took off work to go and try to fight this ticket. I didn't felt the right paperwork. I still get the ticket and I got a day off. She's with me. I told you, and I'm just like, but then as it goes on, I start to feel this pain. It's deeper and deeper and deeper. And I said to her, I need you to stop. She never seen me angry. I'm like, I need you to stop. I don't know what's going on. I need you to stop. She doesn't even hear me. I told you, I don't have any money. I need you to stop. Katie, I need you to stop. I get worse and worse until I slam my hand on the center console, right? I said, stop. But I Hulk smash our center console. She's like, you know, I get her attention, right? In that moment, I gave way to anger, right? This thing comes in. One, my soul's wounded, right? Because I couldn't deal with what was going on. So my soul is wounded and the devil takes advantage of it, right? So my wound manifests and then I wound him. Produced a wound. Let something in. Can you imagine? This was a year into our marriage. So what happened? Back and forth, back and forth, back and forth. So I would go down, I'm better. I go down on better. And then all of a sudden we have kids. Kids are yelling. She's like, what are we gonna do about that? I'm like, hey, I need you to stop. I have, remember, I was very anxiety and fear. So she can't stop because she's fearful about this and that. It would come up. I'd feel it. I need you to stop. I'm like, this guy just absolutely adores Jesus. Non-stop reading, praying. Doesn't matter. Something's coming up. I need you to stop. Okay, I need you to stop. I said, stop. You have an anger problem. So I'm like, I don't know what's happening inside of me, but what you're doing is really hurting me. I need you to stop. I didn't know what it was. Energy, worse and worse. Now I didn't know what was going on inside of me. Over the years, it got to the point where it felt the doctors are like, oh, that's post-traumatic stress. My soul was, it was getting worse and worse to where loud noises would cause it, right? You could wear earplugs in the car. Yeah, the kids would be like, hey dad, and I'm like, you know how to feel like my soul would just. And I was like, I'm a pastor. I love Jesus. All this stuff happened from a moment of just being under this pressure of school, finances, all this stuff and anxiety, all this stuff and all of a sudden it enters. It's worse and worse and worse. Well, I didn't know how to invite Jesus to come and heal that and how to cast out this anger that came in through this wound. But in the moment when I learned it, it was gone. Never had a sense. Loud noises won't produce it, nothing. Bad situations, nothing, completely on. I'm like, are you telling me? Cause I had it for like six years before I got healed. It got so bad. I felt like I was having a heart attack at times. It would come out of nowhere, just loud noise on the street. I feel like someone stabbed me in the heart and I feel like I'm dying on the side of the street. Crazy. The second Jesus came and dealt with it and the demon was cast out. No matter what's going around me, I'm like, you know, Jack Hammer, do do do do before would cause such severe pain and all this completely gone. I was like, oh Jesus, I wish I would have known this way back then. Yeah. So for our stories, Tom got, we've mentioned sovereignly, like sovereign inner healing happened for four months on the ground. This story we're talking about happened, like he's already saved, we're in college, but a new wound happened that let another spirit in. And so that's really important to understand is a lot of times people think like, oh, because I already received or I already got, then I'm good now for the rest of my life. Well, if you weren't around people anymore, that might be true. We're still in a world where people can hurt you and you need to keep your heart healed and know how to go to Jesus with those wounds. But this is what happens a lot of times is there's a phrase that we use, hurt people, hurt people, right? Well, that's literally what's happening is, is it's like my past hurt comes up with a trigger and manifests itself, causes hurt in him to where then now he has a wound and then literally this happens in most marital, I think, how many of you guys are married, my enchantments, just a couple of you guys if you're most curious here. Most marital fights are two people triggered fighting their wounds and their demons against each other. She's yelling at each other. And that's why then when they calm down and they go back to their wounds. I'm so sorry, I didn't mean to say all those mean things. Or they'll say, I didn't say that. Or they completely don't even know. Because the wounded part was saying that. You might have done this with your siblings, your parents even. This happens with kids and parents' relationships. You trigger, your parents trigger and then later you reconcile and you apologize. But you're like, I'm so sorry, I said all those things, I don't hate you mom. Because you really love your mom. There's a part of you inside that really hates her because she pushed you past what you could handle. Does that make sense? So these are triggers and these are wounds. So I just kind of wanted to give them an example because a lot of times when we work with marriages they understand, you can see this the most because you can trigger each other. But I think siblings, friends, roommates, you can understand what that looks like towards someone just pushes you just over your edge and something else comes up and then you no longer in the driver's seat, your soul's in the driver's seat. And then later it goes back down and you repent and you pray and you're like, but you don't understand why it keeps happening. Sometimes it happens every day. Sometimes it happens every couple of weeks, every couple of months, it depends on how and when it gets triggered and what the trigger is. If that makes sense, does that make sense? Okay, so I just kind of wanted to understand that because when I talk about that, the trigger and the wound come up, right? Okay, so inside these wounds live many things and there's a little list here, but the number one thing that is produced inside of these is lies. So I mentioned, let's use the example of my panic attacker, I have had so many, but yeah, that was probably the easiest one to go with for right now. I don't know, when I was 13, I had this incident where my father, so my father had left, my parents got divorced when I was seven. It ended in this pretty bad car accident. My dad was drunk, he cheated on her, he punched her and we got in a car accident. All in the same night. All in the same night. It was pretty awesome. So that would wound a seven year old child if you could imagine, okay? So I'm in the backseat of the car, really scared for my life, many things I dealt with within that. Now, that's a great example as well because this night had several events and several wounds that took place. So there was the initial car accident, that was really scary and when I was going through inner healing, Jesus came to me and spoke to me and showed me how he was there protecting me. And so that dealt with, that's an example of a wound where there might be a lie or a mindset that bad things happen, people you love hurt you, I can't trust people, I can't trust men, let's say, or different mindsets will be formed from this event and the lies will continue to live there in that part of your soul. So you read your Bible and you know the truth and you're spending your time renewing your mind, but then let's just go with the men thing for a second. Men are scary, men hurt me. Well then you might have, all of a sudden you feel like you're fine, you know everything's good, you've forgiven your dad, but then you have a male co-worker who's a little like has an aggressive tone, every time you're around that person you feel like you shut down. You know and you don't know why and it's because of that wound is being triggered by their presence if that makes sense and it will trigger the mindset. So that's an example of just lies living inside these wounds. The other thing is the emotions. So each wound has at least a main emotion. So if we use that example, it might be fear. So the main emotion is fear. So when I get triggered from that, anything unsafe let's say, anything unsafe is happening. Even we work with people all the time, let's just use that car accident example. There we've dealt with marriages where every time the husband would drive a little crazy, like meaning like speed around a car or do something, she would get fully triggered and say things like I hate you, you're a terrible husband, you don't protect me and he's just like, I don't understand why she keeps doing this, but it's from the original event of a car incident. Does that make sense? So that fear comes up as if she's getting in a car crash. So irrational emotions live inside these wounds. So the soul is the mind, the will and the emotion. So you just see, she talked about the lie, mindset. I'm not safe. The emotion, fear. So each one of these wounds is going to have something. Now the will is going to be determined. This is what I always say. God has a will and you want to follow that will. And you said, not my will, but I will be done. We want to follow that will. But these wounds are like, I'm scared. It goes this way because it's afraid. I'm not safe. That soul doesn't trust God yet. So it's believing the lie that I'm not safe and it has this emotional response of fear to it. So it goes its own way. So there's so many believers that want to go this way, but I don't know where they're going this way. Why? Because these two things will determine your will, your emotions and your lies. So what you believe and what you feel often time affect the direction, the will, right? So. That's why it's been, you know, a lot of Christians, we live our life fully for the Lord, but then we don't quite understand why certain areas of our life keep coming under, keep like, go like, look like this. And why they don't look like Jesus yet. And a lot of times it comes from these wounds. Jesus didn't have any demons and he didn't have any soul wounds. So if you didn't have any demons or soul wounds and you, and he didn't have any ungodly mindsets. So if you sought like God, felt like God, then you would move in the will of God. So we need to. And so if I go with that lie as well, let's say I can't trust fathers or men or things like that, well then how do you think that's gonna affect my relationship with God? And so that's a big factor of how, when we talk about Thomas preaching earlier about being sons and children of God, well if I have a lot of wounds from my parents and my view of what it means to be a child of God or what my view of what a father looks like, it's gonna affect how I view Father God. So if you ever feel like you struggle a lot with feeling like God, every time you sin, he's gonna punish you or you're gonna be in trouble and you know the truth is that you're supposed to run to him and he's a good father and he comforts you in those types of things. A lot of times that comes from our mindsets and from our wounding as children and our view of our parents because of things that happened to us through other figures in your life. So see how it affects your current, so like literally my wounding as a child from being seven was actively affecting my marriage, actively affecting my relationship with God. And yet I'm a pastor and a minister of the gospel, but there's certain areas in my life that don't quite look like they should. Does that make sense? So within these as well, you'll find, so unforgiveness. And so what will happen is is, dad or mom did this or sibling did their said or whatever, and that part of it is in unforgiveness because of this event. And so when Jesus comes in, we'll ask Jesus, what's the truth? What was really going on with this person or this or that? Let Jesus speak, we don't want to, one, we don't try to bring up, did this ever happen to you? No, we don't do that, right? Psychologists will do, they're trained not to do that, but you can suggest something, don't do that. Holy spirit, did anything ever happen, bring it up? Also have this memory, what's going on? We're only asking questions. Oh, this happened, Jesus, do they need to forgive? Yes, and oftentimes repent for unforgiveness or for holding this and holding them for that many years. They'll have curses. The curse is oftentimes the emotion, right? So fear, so we'll lead them through this thing to say, I break the curse of fear. I break the curse of rejection, I break the curse of rejection, right? So we're breaking that, this is the perpetual thing that keeps happening, protectors. Well, really, curses, that was the generational, side of generational curse of unforgiveness in my family. So division, constantly offense, all these different things going on in my family. And I kept trying to break it and break it and like pray the prayer and like all these different things, but there was still constant issues of unforgiveness. Well, one time when I was getting interhealing with the same event when I was seven, I was talking with my dad, is when I forgave my dad from that memory, from that place, literally I heard Jesus say to me, now the curse of unforgiveness is broken. And so that's the thing is a lot of us, my unforgiveness towards my father was allowing that to operate in my life. It activated that curse. And so that's unforgiveness as sin. So there's protectors. Now here's the thing about protectors, that we, they can be complicated. I want to make them simple, as Pastor said. Like let's make this stuff simple. A protector can be a demon or the wound part of the soul. So it can be part of them or a demon. It could be or both. So there's a part of them that thinks, if you knew this, you wouldn't be able to cope. So I'm going to protect you from this event. So how many know people that have forgotten whole parts of their childhood? Or sibling will talk about something and you're like, that never happened, right? Or you'll be talking and a sibling will say, you know, that never happened. So either way, right? So you're like, remember that one time mom and dad and they're like, that never happened. You're a liar, you're making stuff up. Or mom and dad will say that never happened. You're like, oh, okay. So there's these protectors that actually can come up. So what will happen if you don't know this when you're like starting to help each other do inner healing and they're like, I've had this, this is a severe case, but we'll go there just for the example. I said, okay, Holy Spirit, is there anything that has happened and wounded their soul and you want to bring healing to it? Bring that memory to their mind now. He's like, oh, I see myself. I'm sitting on the bed. I'm four. So okay, what's going on? Oh, my mom's coming in. She's wearing a robe. She's taking her robe off. She's trying to touch. And he goes, it just left. He's like, everything just went black. The protector came up. Protector was like, I'm not doing my job. Well, no, he knows. He never knew that that had ever happened. But, I was gonna say, but, he was like, I just keep sleeping with prostitutes and I've been married five times and I just can't stop watching pornography. And so he has perversion that is destroying his life since his childhood. Doesn't know why. He's a believer, loves Jesus, has asked a thousand times for God to forgive him and try to walk away from it a thousand times. Inside, there's demons that are operating within this wound from being molested when he was a child. Never knew it, why? Protector's like, you cannot know about this. This is really bad. And if you knew about it, you wouldn't be able to live a normal life. It's still operating in the background, causing problems in his life. So Jesus, we're able to, that's what we'll do and we'll do it after this next session. We'll walk you guys through it. Is I just have them speak to themselves. I speak to every protector of my soul. There's two different types of protector. Demons, which we bind. And the soul ones, which we say, go down. We relinquish you. You're no longer our protector. Jesus is our protector. Jesus is my protector. I want you to go be with Jesus. So you're speaking to the soul part that's like, I'll defend you. No one will hurt you again. We tell that part to go be with Jesus. Jesus is our protector. Because you won't even be able to get oftentimes to the wound, because the protector's there saying, no, nothing to see here. La, la, la, nothing to see here. You don't have any problems. You're all good. So what you'll find is that person will be oftentimes locked down emotionally. No emotions. So either they have extreme emotions or no emotions. I never cry. People say, I never cry. I've never cried in 20 years. Bad things will happen, but I don't cry. They can't feel their emotions. And this is kind of the question of, what happens when we know this is true, but we're like not excited about it. It's not touching our hearts yet. The heart can be locked up in its emotions because too many bad things that happen doesn't know how to deal with it and it shuts down. So it just suppresses all these emotions because it's like, if I had let it out a little bit, right? So it just locks it all down. We have to deal with it one at a time. Whatever Jesus will bring up, he knows what's best. Jesus, when I was on the ground four months in, he dealt with a wound that he could not have dealt with the first day. It was the worst thing that had happened. So he just dealt with the, oh, okay. You know, we can talk about that. Heals it. Oh, we can talk about that. Oh, okay. We can talk about that. You're safe. Oh, I don't want to talk about that. And he's like, okay, we can talk about it. But he couldn't talk about it right away, right? He had to deal with and get to it. So that's why we just have him bring up. I don't want to bring up the worst thing because the soul's like, I don't trust you. Who are you? And the other day, we were just doing some interhealing with someone and it was so bad. The thing that the protector came up with was, who are you? Sozo people, anyways, protectors, what are you doing here? How'd you get here? You know, like, how are you talking to us right now? Who are you? Sozo people, anyways, it didn't know. Like, I didn't say I'm from Sozo. It knew though. It was in Sozo and it was like, what are these people? You know, we're not safe because you're gonna get to us. And to bring healing. So didn't you remember? His name was Joshua. Joshua said, I was safe and that Jesus is safe. Oh yeah, he did say that because it was part of his soul. He said, you can go down. I want to talk to the wounded part, not the protector. All right, the protector has a name and it's like, no, you're not gonna mess with us. I'm here to protect him. No, Joshua said, I can get there. You need to come down. Oh yeah, he did say that. Okay, you know, and so he goes to the side. I can get to the wound, invite Jesus, bring healing to that, have Jesus take the protector with him, find out the broken heart and we come out and I can't cause that wound to come back up. It's gone. Right, he can remember the event. Yeah, that happened. But now he's hearing what Jesus said. Yeah, mom and dad were going through a lot and they didn't reject me. They were just going through a hard time. So before it was like, mom and dad, they hate me. They don't care for me. They don't collect me and all these lies and the emotion behind it of pain and hurt and rejection, all that's gone. Now I'm chosen, I'm loved and my parents are just going through a hard time. So the soul is healed. The way that demons become protectors to you is when you're in agreement with them. Subconsciously, of course, but that they actually protect you. So for me, I said I had a lot of wounds that created fear. So by the time I was 13 years old, my dad had done so many different things and abandoned us and remarried and done different things that I finally, at 13 years old, went over and I thought it'd be a really great idea to tell him exactly how I felt about him. And telling that if he ever wanted to see me again, he was gonna have to work on our relationship and essentially gave way and partnered with anger to protect myself. And I said, literally to myself, I made these vows and vows are very powerful and very bad. Vows are inside the lie part, right? So we make these declarations, these mindsets. I made a vow that no one was ever gonna hurt me like this again in that trauma. And in that, I then partnered with the spirit of anger inside my soul, I'm talking about, right? I didn't know this, of course, but I know this now. That's every time I would feel afraid, anger would come up to protect me. So if I felt like someone was about to hurt me, I would push you away first. I would say something mean first. Someone said something mean? So multiple times in our marriage, we joke about this, but she's small, not as small as, and I grew up fighting. Didn't know how big they were at fight and I never was afraid of fighting. And so we married, I'm healed, Jesus is awesome. Events would happen and she would like, she'd be like, I was like, whoa, I was like, whoa. And she'd be angry and it would be like, basically like she's saying, get away from me. You're trying to hurt me. I'm like, I'm not trying to hurt. What's going on? And I'm like, whoa, what is this little person? You know, like just turned to like seven foot tall and it was like, you know, and it was the anger that was like back off. Yeah. And then. You will never hurt me. And it was like, whoa, what is this? I had to be first. Your words I'm recording. That thing was, that thing was trying to protect me. That's in many people. I'd gotten deliverance from anger like four times, but until I got the wound healed, it would come back because when the wounds would get triggered of fear, I would grab a hold essentially of anger and invite anger in cause I thought anger protected. Not cognitively, subconsciously. Yeah, not subconsciously. But I would allow it back in because I believe that I needed it to help me. So that's what we call demonic protectors. They're demons that people actually are in agreement with because they think it helps them. This looks like isolation, anger shutting down. So people will partner with that. Instead of being hurt by people, they'll stay home and isolate. Cause the emotion usually is I'm unsafe. So we're a safety away from people who can hurt us. So then they say, oh, I'm an introvert. I don't like people. I don't feel safe around. You know, I don't like big crowds. And it's like. So that's what we mean by that. So again, what lives in wounds as well as demons, of course. Doesn't have to just be something you partnered with. It's a door. So the enemy is trying to get as much of his buddies in there so they can destroy your life as possible. So they're trying to have a party. They're like, let's get them in here. Who else can help us destroy their life, you know? Matthew 18 says unforgiveness. It gives room for tormentors. So when I mentioned that wound with my dad, a lot of unforgiveness in my heart was allowing demons in my life to come and make me sick and to do different things in my life. And until those were healed and then I could repent and forgive, then all those things would leave your life. And so that's where a lot of deliverance becomes really easy. Awesome. Break. We're gonna make it quick. Take a 10-minute break and then we're gonna come back and actually walk you through the process. We'll do some inner healing as a mass inner healing, okay?