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Oh my gosh Whoo Alright, so I'm sorry if this might be a little lower quality today One of the things I did to try that it told me to do was turn the bit rate way down So I did that and then and now we went live and that wasn't actually related to it Because it was just actually the streaming outages. I found later But it's still stuck on this setting any who looks fun. Yeah, great. Okay, so hey as I said We've done bad shows before Bar for the course joining me as always an hour late, but that's okay. He's he's always used to being late It's my great co-host Tom. How you doing buddy? Hello friends Nights like this that maybe wish I did drink also joining us this week a man I'm so excited to have back on the show and all around amazing guy It's Doug from two plus tough. How you doing sir? Hey, I'm doing really well Well, and you know what an evening I was so excited about the show tonight, too because We have just so much fun stuff to talk through so we are going to be talk all my my desk isn't Disarray as I was throwing stuff around and I tried my laptop and a hundred different things like it was It was all over the place. We're gonna be talking through monsters and mercs later on But of course first we begin with the news so Tom news stuff Oh, was I supposed to prepare something? He only had an hour an hour an hour he was reading to using to read monsters and mercenaries Hey, hey that book's done. That's all I'm saying sure. Um, he did put that hour to good use Uh, yeah, I got my head straight like a bunch of Um News books we have books coming and they look awesome Yeah, let's talk about the the leaks or the previews for the orcs and And uh and cities of sigma. I agree. That's where we should start. Uh Beyond excited beyond excited like oh my gosh Mind-blowing stuff this week. So first of all, let's start with the brass tacks Uh, the books go on pre order this weekend coming out the next week Uh, the we got sort of a full city's preview as well as a full Orc war clans preview today. We have more more information on the orc war clans already some of our Some of our guesses in the bag We're going to the bag and some were proved wrong So, you know, uh, there we go So, you know, there's lots of lots of interesting stuff. I mean, so let me just start here Doug, what caught your eye, buddy? What what did you see that you're that made you really excited? Uh, for which one the cities are the orcs? Well, let's start with cities. We'll start on cities here and talk that one through Um, for me, it was the I had I had totally left field was not ready for the fact that a caribb disc can be battle line Right This is like, uh, I didn't know I wanted that in my life, but now that it's here. It's like absolutely Uh-huh You we did want that very much and we're going to play a little game here in a moment With the cities of sigmar. We're going to play guess that battle line So we're very excited about that so yes huge number of battle line choices. Um, and now we know that like I was kind of right in the preview show or the guessing show of how I guess the cities were going to work I was right that they will all have their own command rates artifacts You know, all that stuff will be dedicated Um, they're the cities are a little heavier because they they obviously they have the allegiance ability, which I had said as well But they also will have Uh, a command ability for each one and seemingly like their allegiance abilities. They've gone through a few of them So like anvil guard has illicit dealings where because it's a shady city where you can like get an extra mount trait you can Get an extra artifact or get d3 extra command points, right? Yeah, I want to let me pause this real quick I want to give a special shout out to my wife who was doing such a great job of like trying to entertain the chat I ran upstairs about that. She's like i'm trying and I was like, I love you You're more than anything in the world. So she is the most wonderful wonderful woman. Anyways Uh, so thank you dear. Uh, anyways back to city. So yeah, uh, you saw The new updated tom. This is an old one of yours the tempest eye or whatever, right? Yeah, three inches of movement in the first turn and plus one dollar saves I'll take it. Sure Absolutely, they gave us a few others like the finicia mobility heals all the the phoenix units Yeah, that are around, um Stuff like that. So hammer hall seems to be like the command point Uh generation machine because all the generic stuff are that yeah, so like Inevitably like hammers of sigmar like all of that stuff is just super generic and you know, it's fine It does what it needs to sure It also do have a fight again at the end of a combat phase thing, which is pretty cool. They do. Oh, really? Yeah, I must have missed it. It's it's like a very slow Uh keeper of secrets activation because like the keeper of activation can go in tandem Like you can go hit once and then they go and then you go right But whereas this you have to wait till the end of the combat phase, but it does still it's still let's fight twice for the unit Which is cool Iron swelled arsenal the one that I'm excited about Uh increases the range of all your weapons by three inches and you can and you can include five artillery units And let's be honest How good that is is largely based on one What are the points of the new artillery units look like two? Did they rewrite any of the war scrolls so that they're all and two did they rewrite the war scrolls? So they're one combined profile. Yeah, the answer to those things are are yes, right? Like that the points are reasonable and they're one combined profile That suddenly got real interesting Right real, but but even the three inches Extra is I think a very big deal turning likes Like jokes enter here Oh Come on man, the setup was perfect. Yeah, you gotta ruin it. I'm gonna get out there Like about a handgunner's handgun from 16 inches to 19 inches is a big right that actually does make a very significant difference Because there are scenarios where you start 18 inches away Right, right like that's pretty simple math 16 inches is less 19 inches is more See how that works Okay Uh, yeah, so Doug, what else caught your eye? Well, not only that like that's not only that 18 inches plus like four inches Like the base movement of a lot of dwarves. It lets you then walk into the 24 inch deployment as well Right, right and that's the key is that being able to walk into that the end of that shooting range 100% Yeah, totally. Yep. Doug, what else caught your eye there, buddy? um as far as the city's like I like the different ways that you can build them. I guess I really just got focused on that um The battle line chart because for me like when I I mean I I build super fluffy narrative lists And so like the way that I'm allowed to construct my army knowing how many units that book is probably gonna have um No, no, it was really important. I got other stuff. I read through like uh I kind of like the drill master. You can really hit rolls of one for a tax being by missile weapons blah blah That kind of stuff is just super helpful Oh, absolutely pistol ears would show up on the battle on that list got real interesting because they shoot at the end of a charge So they move shoot charge shoot Right like that. Uh, you know how you beat the activation wars. You shoot them twice before you even fight Like that's a good way to fight before people who fight Just shoot them dead Yep Now do you have to shoot the person you're charging? I've never actually seen them used Uh, well technically with the initial shooting No, because you wouldn't be in combat with the secondary shooting technically you would because you'd trip the The rules where you'd be within three inches of an enemy, right? Okay So Um, all right. So are we ready to play our let's let's play our guess that battle line game. Here we go All right So up on the screen now where the viewers can see it and you can't but you you should have brought it up On your own screens because we said we were gonna do this in the hour. We planned for Oops Uh, we talked about this. So here we go. We're gonna play guess that battle line. Can you name that battle line? And what makes them battle line? All right So, uh, we're gonna go round robin here order is determined randomly. I decide tom you start first So much Left what is the first guy? uh, it is a Uh, it was the dark elf. Was it uh, the um a bleak sword? No, no yet bleak sword. Yes. No looking at the app No looking at the app. By the way, you can't bring up the picture The app. Okay. What makes him what makes him? Uh, battle line Uh, ample guard Just being in the city not a general. Yeah, because it could be the general No, no, no he they're lowly enough that they're just going to be cities specific The more my my money is the more elite the troop is the more it will require a specific general. Okay. Got it All right, guess number two. I'll uh Doug you can go ahead So we're going down or we're going to the right over. Yeah over to the right like you're reading the lines. I'm sorry. Yes No, you're fine No, you're gonna comment bleak shard. I don't know these guys No No Oh, what is it dark shard? There you go. Yeah, it is the dark It's it's all I know right exactly. It's like pick your weird adjective. Hey, hey I know all of them. Sure. I gotta talk uh, Doug. What's your guess for general same thing you go to anvil guard or you pick in a general You know, I'm actually gonna say Battle line in cities of sigmar Oh generic battle line and the reason I say that is because there's so many chumps Gotta give you a chance to use them all also Yeah, I was sorry. So like the the star collecting box Said that these units can be used any cities of sigmar army Which makes me think that I was gonna be battle line in cities of sigmar. Nice. All right, tom. You're up next. What's the next one? Uh, that is the uh That is not the eternal guard. No, no that is the What? Oh the dread spear. Sorry. I I thought we we skipped all the dread spears. Yeah, the next Yeah, that's the dread spear. Okay battle line if guests Um No, he is generic battle line. All right. So our guess is the dread spears and the dark shards are our generic battle line. Okay All right, very good. Doug, you're up next Who's our wanderer friend here? Oh Think long time I already said there's any guard It is guard is in the name. You're right That's all I got. I don't know They're the eternal guard Yep. Okay. Uh, I'm I'm saying I mean Personal feeling nomad prince is the general right like he's gonna be one of the weird ones That only comes in if the nomad prince at the general are they more They're pretty big. They're pretty basic troops Uh, now do you think I think that these guys will be a battle line only in living city Oh, okay So you're saying uh Just living city no general too because it could always be like living city with a nomad prince No, I think those are going to be living city and then I think that you'll get the um, the wildwood rangers Which are down on the bottom line and maybe the archers with the nomad prince Like living city nomad prince like so I think that you're gonna have basically multiple tiers I don't think any of them will just be general Maybe but I think most of them will be city and general All right And so it'll be like tiers of like these are the city battle line If you're this city and this general you get the elite of that thing no, I I don't know but I think the first what nine or so mb8 are gonna be generic Maybe that's my hot take where they could be like just do whatever you want by all the kids All right, so let's move quick here because I because because I don't want to spend the whole show on this But here we go. So we got handgunners Then we've got our our free guild. Uh, we we've got our Uh Go there. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah our handgunners in there twice Oh, no one was a crossbowman. Sorry the second one. Yeah, they're just cropped out there. Yeah, okay So, yeah, exactly your free guild crossbowmen Uh, then you got two dwarf things Yep, tom. What are the two dwarf things? The first one is the iron breaker and the second one. It's a long beard. Sure. That makes sense. Why not? Okay, I think we all know the next guy because we're all excited about this, dude There's one person in the chat more excited about that than anybody else in the world, but that's all right Uh, right on next up. You've got the other half of a of a kit that we haven't seen for a little while Tom, you know, you love these guys Dark writers. Yeah our dark writers Got our big old demigriff knights. Very exciting Uh, scourge runner chariots drake spawn knights Uh, there's your drake spawn by the way. Yeah, you're talking about the drake spawn You can get a little glimpse of them there in row three right after the bad chariot Yes, right after the bad chariot Sorry the the unicycle Yeah We've got the executioners flagellants Uh, we have uh Which empire guy is that is oh that the greatsword, right? Yeah. Yeah. Yes. Yeah Uh, your outriders and your pistoliers Uh, more dwarf dudes one of which is the shooter guys the iron drake Hold on pistoliers the dwarf dudes. Those are your hammers And then your iron drakes. There you go. Uh, phoenix guard, right is the next dude Absolutely. Um the other chariot Yeah, so so that's that's the uh, the drake runner chariot scourge runner chariot as opposed to the first one which was the uh, The drake spawn chariot. Oh, there you go. Thank you. Yep Uh, then the shadow warrior the the lone remnant by the way the lone remnant of swift talk Which uh kudos to them what what that is by the way is I bet they move that to shadow blades Oh, okay. Got it. Yep. All right. Like I'll let the shadow warriors get moved to shadow blades as a faction I guess a sub faction sure Uh, and then obviously we all we all recognize our sisters at the thorn Uh, our sisters of the watch Yep, yep, of course we're uh, You know, that's cool. I always love those minis the sisters the watch are like, yeah I have 30 of them on my shelf. I'm waiting to use so hoping that they're usable Uh, wildwood rangers the steam tank and then of course the caribdis and the hydra hydra. Yeah Yeah, super exciting, uh So my guess is like when you know, like the gray water fastest thing's pretty obvious That's gonna be your your battle line. I'm guessing like one of the anvil guard things like the Like probably the the lord on dragon or whatever is what makes the caribdis or like anvil guard and lord on dragon To make the caribdis or hydra. No No No, who do you think's gonna make a battle line? Um, I think that the caribdis will be battle line with the black orc the fleet master Oh, yeah, that's probably wow. You have to take him as your general. I really hope they give a good rewrite on that war scroll Mr. 40 points No, you'll probably Like the fleet master for him and then maybe the uh, I think maybe the Uh I mean the challenge is obviously right now the caribdis is the one in that In that faction right in the actual like right Uh, surge privateers The problem is is that the drake spawn. Oh, no, it's the uh, that's what it is. Duh, I'm an idiot It's the uh, the lord on black dragon Like the dread lord on black dragon. Oh, I thought you said the sorceress. Sorry. Oh, I didn't say the sorceress I said the the fighter guy. Yes, correct That that's that was my guess originally, but you know, I don't know like I I know I'm super excited I agree. Let me just say Doug, I completely agree with you. The number one thing I was most excited about was oh my god I don't actually own any hydras. That's a I love monsters. I have overwhelming like too many really uh Vince you didn't ask me what excited me about this I'm sorry. Tom. What excited you most about the city's a sigmar? Uh, the new getting started boxes. Hmm That that's what excited me and particularly like both of them both of them are all of the everything that I wanted but uh the like that anvil guard box of just all of the Like the bad cherry at the unicycle The monster and some four stairs like I'm in And the fleet master it's like everything. It's all the good stuff Sure, sure. No, I get it. And I mean, there's just that's just it. We got so much suddenly like I did not think this was going to include two new star collecting boxes No, yeah, I never thought they would have now those aren't new models. No, they're not they're not there That it's a bundle it's a repack But still and obviously the crib. This will also be able to be built as the hydra. It's the same sprue. So, all right Is the um, are the dwarves quite sky ships? Are those the same kid? Are they different? Like The gyro bomb Yeah, those are the old kids Oh, I mean like are they the saying are they one kid or two kids tom? Yeah, uh, that's one kid. Okay, you can alternate between So Like there's uh There's just an amazing amount of of exciting stuff in here for sure We didn't even talk about the fact that shadow warriors can suddenly just deep strike up anywhere Right that that they're new that their new scroll is going to let them just pop up nine inches away anywhere on the board Actually ninjas now. Yeah, they're like actually super useful. Yes So imagine a unit That was kind of like harpies Only you've got 10 models instead of five. Sure. Sure the down from being Yes, harpies are still sneaking in with the old school rule where they don't have to be down by turn three Like they can still drop turn five Enjoy that luxury while you can you cheaters Yes Uh, all right So I I think that the point is that we're gonna keep seeing more cities previews We didn't get as much information on them because their full preview show is next week So today we had the orc war clans preview show and boy did we get some orc war clans news? Oh boy, howdy. Okay. So this is the twitch stream, right? Yeah, this is the twitch stream. We saw a game with them. Um Look, I love the twitch streams. I love the fact they do them. I love the guys playing them We we need to get there are multiple people in that office that play iron jaws regularly Just saying I did that Okay. All right So orc war clans, um Can I can I jump back real quick? Sure. Yeah, some cities before we call it it before we call it into it Uh, yeah, the for those that did not catch it the the start collecting boxes. These are a hundred each Oh, okay. Oh interesting. Okay. So the price has is creeping up now. That said like I'm not complaining to be clear Because in that anvil guard box, you're getting a 65 dollar monster A 35 dollar chariot. Sure A 15 dollar hero Yep, and a 25 or 27 dollar troop box sure And and and still and by the way a unit that completely holds up and it's still one of the better looking Yeah, that looks like I I want those guys to have good rules so bad And oh, you know what? I'm glad you went back to him because there is one other thing We should discuss for cities before we get into the orcs, which is the other universal rule We didn't mention yet that the cities of sigmar are gonna get Oh, yeah, which is that when they cast endless spells. Yes, they're always treated as being in their home realm Whoa Game changer Uh, that's a crazy game changer Yeah, I mean you want to know why? I meet spell portal And uh purple sun purple sun is what I was first thinking. Yeah, right But spell portal can be set up anywhere on the board Like there's no limit to placement now if they're considered the home realm And then purple sun is purple sun. Right. Well, I mean look just honestly beyond that. Okay The what it makes you do is you have to go through and like Reconsider the value Of so many of these endless spells because let's be honest when it said like it does this special thing In a realm you are always just like I don't even read that text. Yeah, it doesn't matter Right. Yeah But when you're always getting the farther movement or the higher damage or Whatever, right? Yep. Yeah or or or or or like let me give you a very easy example of this Yep, okay emerald life swarm Yep, a thing that we've just generally written off Yeah, okay The emerald life swarm because it only heals d3 wounds If you're in the realm of life, it heals d6 Right, like that's a that's a huge difference Right of what's going on Also return models if it's one wound Uh No Okay, yeah, yeah number slain models. Yeah, you're right. I'm sorry. Yeah, so it can restart. It can restore d6 dead dude Thank you. Sorry. I literally had to go reread the emerald life swarm. I wrote it off so long ago I'm not agreeing about it But sure. Yes. I mean, that's it. Yes, it can bring back models. I apologize So, yeah, but that's it's just crazy that the difference that makes quick silver swords always being uh 15 dice instead of 12 All right, so 15 dice on a five up against chaos or or as uh rob monoswarm aimer likes to call them the racist swords Sure. Sure. Sure. Sure um All of the like the any of the forbidden power stuff Uh, so like the soul scream bridge where in death it goes from 12 inches to 24 inches Yep Like that is a massive difference in how far that is Uh In how far that's carrying your troops, right? So i'm i'm curious about one thing though, so It says um any endless spell you cast with the cities of sigmar wizard will immediately count as being empowered by their associated realm But with a lot of these endless spells though, if your opponent your opponent can use them the predatory Yeah, that transfer as well because of the cities of sigmar guy still cast it like Who knows? Yeah, no if you're a dingus you can give your opponent a purple sun Yeah, I mean my my answer is probably yeah, like it's just a rip in version of that spell that's now out there right, um, so That's it's a it's a big deal The other big deal is a couple people mentioned in the chat and we what we shouldn't leave without be because we'll be remiss Is that the you're like your foot heroes will now have the ability to take retinues Right and protect themselves. So if they If they have a wounds characteristic of six or less They can choose another unit to be their retinue now. We don't know what limit that'll be like They in the article they just said another unit in your army to be their retinue But there could be limits to that right like Like they have to share a keyword Like they have to share a keyword. Can this steam tank be my retinue? You know what I mean? I don't know Six wins or less. Yeah. Yeah So like you could choose like a retinue for like your lord celestine or lord castling Oh, theoretically, uh, again, we don't like they gave the very shortened marketing ish marketing ish description of it, right? So like this is one of those ones that I would like be very careful about Right, but we just over hopes in Right, it could be much more limited than what we're Than what we're seeing in that little like blurb. Yeah But it's a cool idea. I'm that's fine It's my assumption is it's going to work something like the uh, like necromancers do with death now Right where they can pass wounds and mortal wounds, which is fine I'm just saying for the modeling opportunities on that people are gonna do some cool stuff Oh, yeah, man I mean the city's book is such a giant opportunity to go nuts As you can see from the fact that like most of the forces they show in the book are things that like chris peach converted a while ago For his armies and they just they just kept him right like he did a great job with them So Yeah, it's a big deal. Okay. So now I'll ask before I jump head. Sorry my I call I wanted to call the wall right away that my inner orc was just like It wanted to get out Is there anything else gentlemen you want to talk about with the city's a sigmar before we move on? Uh, no, I didn't catch the twitch stream, but so i'm excited to hear about Uh, all right. Well then gentlemen, let's talk about the orcs Duh orcs Call the wall boys because it's on First of all, I've never been more happy to have one of my predictions be completely wrong Because I had said I thought the iron jaws were just basically going to be a reprint out of the ghb Oh boy, was I wrong? Nope. They did us a solid here So it turns out that the fact that we got all the attention in ghb is just because orcs are the best And if you don't like that, why don't you go look at the updates your army got where they is good in the ghb? No, then you're not the best It's that easy. See how simple that is shame that you're playing a lesser army so Duh orcs all right Let's start with the the sort of main The the the let's start with the sort of big news Orc orclan or orc orclans book setting the very basics for those people who might be brand new to all this Contains iron jaws and bone splitters as well as giving you a way to play the great green The great big wall the great green wall whatever when I call it Yeah, and it provides basically rules for all three of those different things in one Can I can I jump in real quick? They did mention that But the keywords have been changed and the scrolls have been updated for the rogue idol and the rogue idol will now Uh be key worded to bones have both bone splitters and iron jaws keywords, right? Yep Didn't you just paint one of those up like three days ago dug? I sure did for a tournament that I ditched By the way, so folks let's let's we need to get in the chat here. All right chat. I've called on you community Doug has an iron jaws army And dug likes fun games of warhammer dug. Do you like fun games of warhammer? Uh, I make fun games of warhammer. Absolutely. I I couldn't agree more I I know you do even though there was a day where you could have come up and played some more hammer with me You could have made the drive, but you didn't do it, but that's all right. I forgive you Uh, I flew all the way to washington, but you felt you were like that's too far so anyway, um The and and dug has an iron jaws army and and you know, he was thinking about selling it right as the new book comes out and all the good stuff drops all the fun all the narrative of all the groups All these wonderful opportunities to use your models in new ways Chat should he sell his army? I just I want to get his temperatures. That's a painted army too, right? It is. Yes They are blue armored orcs. Yes So here's my defense. Okay, I'm ready Okay The basics of economics for nerd hobbies buy low sell high. Okay. That's how it works That's how my my turn and burn Thing happens Quick question dug. Yes And I don't want to pry too much in your personal life. Please. Please. Please but uh Any chance you're not making the rent this month or uh about to get to your house or having any kind of major medical expenses That are going to be coming up anytime soon Uh, none foreseen knock on wood fingers crossed. Absolutely. We want dug to stay healthy And for a long long time to come you've got to keep making videos I would be lost in a sea of silence if it wasn't for all your great hangout videos dug I you you fill my days so, uh With that being said, there'll be more chances to make money later There'll be more chances and this army still gonna be hot in like three months because it's gonna be good Okay, but one It is now it yeah, it is better now because we don't know any downsides about it Okay, so i'm just saying in terms of market value, right? It's the highest it's ever gonna be Yep, it's true right now is the highest ever gonna be uh and also To uh in your chat everybody says yes comma sell it to me Guys you're not helping you're only proving his point Understand here. Here's my ultimate defense of iron jaws if I might stand in for my green skin brothers I spent my entire 20 plus years of playing warhammer hating orcs and then a couple years back I got the iron jaws and I have never had and consistently still I have more fun with my iron jaws then maybe you know Then maybe even slanesh slanesh is a purely selfish experience. I love it to death, but like I know my opponents aren't enjoying it as much, but I I'm like yes feed me. You're suffering. It's delicious Uh, but that's a different experience Uh The iron jaws are fun people enjoy playing against them everybody loves the game against iron jaws They're they're just fun distilled into little tiny green boys and I I I really can't recommend them enough to people I like the fact that they've just been consistently entertaining and a quality game For almost any army to play against for years and years is why I love them So I would just here would be my ask I understand you could strike while the iron's hot the iron is still safe pretty darn hot It'll still it'll still iron clothes for a little while My point would be maybe get a couple games in with them or something or read the book see if you like it just a thought because Yeah, regret So I don't uh, so I'm gonna wait till I see the book And uh I'm gonna I'm gonna play a game with it. I will Because I want to see if it can rekindle the flame that I had when I when I actually painted them the the thing is though is like I just hate hoarding armies and all of a sudden if I have that like well I don't like the bases. I don't like this. I don't like that. So I gotta do it's a whole new project And I know so you know what the live stream revealed was that That brutes are 140 points for five now Sure Yes So if you don't like hoard armies just run. No, he doesn't like hoarding armies having yeah, sorry collecting a bunch of stuff I am I am the anti tom in that way every time tom says. Oh, yeah, I got that on my shelf right there To everything that we talk about. I don't like oh, no, I had that once many moons ago No, I like I don't get what you just said. I have 12 armies sitting around me at least at least fully painted armies I'm just I'm just saying a model on painting is better than a model on the shelf collecting dust Yep, 12 armies. That's right. I had to redo the count. I got I got a hot dozen here and uh, you know sure I I will I will play it and I will hold off until judgment until then I'm that's the thing is like I'm excited about the book and the lore. It seems like a really cool thing It's I'm really into my megakin my nergal pirates. I I I don't understand everything you just said is is complete nonsense to me But I appreciate that you're excited that I do love Uh, how you could be more excited for nergal than iron jaws. That's that is that is black for me Gordrack's coming for you. That's all I'm saying. All right So what we know we know they're split up And we know that in the case of iron jaws, which is mostly what I'm going to talk about here So if you're a bone splitter's player, sorry, you're I don't care Um, that's the part of the book I don't even know if I'll read that part of the book to be honest because I'm not buying any bones To be the stronger piece with their ability to negate Anyways, we'll get there. We'll get there. All right, so uh The the old mega battalions became chambers or whatever we want to call them, right? So like iron suns is now a thing And now they just get neg one to be hit in the first turn stuff like that, right? So the blood tubes are just a thing Uh, the choppas are a new one that they introduced. So that kind of stuff Uh, they we know that they've updated the war scrolls and streamlined a bunch of stuff. So that's very exciting There was a huge focus on like reducing a lot of different Elements. So here's an easy example If you ever played with a mall crusher, you know, you'd eventually if you if you rolled the attacks in order You would get down to the wippy tail attacks. They would be completely underwhelming Now it's just one combined profile of like Tail and fists and stuff and it's eight attacks on threes and threes Uh neg two rend two damage I like that. That's a good idea. I can go to three damage with the trait three damage with the trait four damage with a war chanta Oh Feel the power feel the power of eight and then we can go to nine attacks with the plus one attack and Da da da da da da and it can go to two to hit pretty easy And yeah, uh, yeah, yeah, my son has a uh And it can find the hero phase And fight in the combat phase, you know, what's better than fighting at the start of the combat phase Fighting in the hero fighting in every phase. Yeah, that's right. You think they're still gonna have smashing and bashing They will they they confirm today. Okay. So here we go. I'm gonna very quickly rattle off stuff We know information dump from the stream today If everybody's ready for those of you who didn't have a chance to watch it or aren't subbed uh to warhammer tv twitch Here you go. All right. First off mount traits. We as we mentioned those are in for the um For the mall crushers. We know of at least four Loudon once a game neg wanted to hit for all enemies in a range around the megaboss Weirden four plus spell immunity fastened plus two move and mean and plus one damage to mighty fists and tail Moving it up from two damage to three Uh, the choppas are a new chamber of iron of iron jaws more shamanie They're led by a weird knob who acts like a megaboss. So he has the megaboss command abilities. Nice The um the big wall the way the big wall works is it can contain iron jaws or Bone split is you still use your own command trait and artifacts tables Okay, you just import those in but you get the new allegiance rules Which is tracking your big wa points as you build wa energy You get d6 points at the start of every turn plus six if gourdwreck is the general plus two for each war chanter Plus more for each of your wargog or the other spell caster whatever the two Weird bone split as casters are called and you get more when your heroes get smashing and bashing on stuff And It's it's an ascending chart that just starts giving out flat bonuses like at six points Uh, you get plus one to cast a spell and unbind at eight points You get plus one to charge at 16 points you get plus one to hit And and these bonuses keep going up and are cumulative with each other until you get to 24 when you can activate the great big Wa and You can give plus one attack to every Uh destruction or destruction or Uh or a oracle model on the table Um And just no regular just period But then you have to roll a die on a one all your wall points go away on a two through five You go to half So you'll go to like, you know 12 if you were at mens or on a six you keep all your wall and keep right on rolling Uh, so that's kind of cool Um, let's talk about oh go ahead. I was just I did they confirm that the wargog prophet's still in? Yes, they did Okay, cool. Go on. Uh, gordrack big big upgrades. He will also get more expensive Um, so he's nine attacks on threes threes neg two two damage He's got his weapons five attacks twos threes neg one or d three still doing additional damage to wizards The bellows attack of the maw crusher went from being like one scream that always misses because it was like two up three up It never worked To just being like six attacks on the same profile doing one damage each Um destructive bulk Very interesting new ability So destructive bulk the way if you if you watch the stream There was sort of a mention that it like destroys terrain and damages the people inside What that means is that so I actually had this clarified What destructive bulk does is if you when you hit sort of the models in terrain like It removes those models from cover Okay, so when you use that destructive bulk and move into the to fight a unit that's that's gaining cover from terrain They lose that cover for all attacks Okay, because you've destroyed there the cover that they were hiding in And it does damage to them a la like lord toots The the storm cast hero, right? So they take a number of mortal wounds The way that that works is there's a set number of dice and every five up gen does a mortal wound to the unit Okay, so uh the dice are keyed to your your wound chart still So there you go uh, and then finally the plus one attack stackable command ability is gone from the mega boss and Gordrack, thank goodness instead Instead all iron jaws heroes have the ability Not just mega bosses anymore, but it is limited you can't activate it more than once So it's just plus one attack. There's no longer stackable But it is still a thing and any hero can do it instead the new command ability for uh, gordrack and The mega boss is voice of gork or get stuck in lads voice of gork is plus one to hit for all destruction models Okay, so interesting possibility the ogre's players ears should have just perked up there Uh, mr. Army of four pluses to hit All right now. I don't know what to say about that and the sure And the uh mega boss is all iron jaws units um and oh, I should state that the The wa is always plus one attack. You don't roll or check anymore But if you have a lot of orcs near you, I don't know what the catch point is They just said if there's if there is a large enough number of units around you it becomes plus two attacks Oh cool So there you go, but it's not good. I hated that rule so much Sure I mean a lot of people didn't like the stacking thing because it's so singular But most importantly it is just part of like I said it's part of the allegiance village any hero your war chanter can do it Everybody can do it Um any any mega boss can do it Uh smash and embassion is still there mighty destroyers is still there So still like you know the move in the hero phase fight in the hero phase all that's still there There's going to be a very command point hungry army, right like Obvious obvi because you just have so many different command abilities. You're wanting to use here. Yep. Um And yeah, there you go. We mentioned. Oh the war chanters. Um, there's sticks instead of being plus one to hit Are uh Plus one damage. Yeah plus one damage And is everybody else still seeing video? Hopefully so people said they're still getting audio, but they weren't getting video Hopefully it's still working. Everything says it's still working Yeah Let me see if I'm still seeing us. I had discovered. No, I'm still working. We're working fine. I'm streaming. Okay. I'm watching Yep me too. All right, but instead they also have beats. That's right It's beats by dorks So they're like prayers and you can activate a beat they get to pick a beat and they can send they can drop the beats So for example one of the beats that we got previewed was you can uh on a four plus uh, you can Choose to give a unit the ability to charge out to 18 inches and they charge on 3d6 So I love it super cool because obviously you're not going to use that to actually make somebody try to charge something 16 inches away You're going to charge somebody 10 inches away and drop that charge, right? so Or you're going to like hand of gork yourself to nine inches and then you're going to give them 3d6 Yeah Oh, no, what happened there? I lost I lost my friends. I'm back. I'm back. That was quick. That was weird Anyway, I don't know why that happened Uh, I guess the beats were too much the beats overwhelmed the hangout um I was just saying what you'll likely do is hand of gork yourself out to nine inches and then give yourself a 3d6 charge Mm-hmm We also know as you mentioned so some point stuff mega boss is up. He's back. He's up at 460 I have a feeling he's going to be extremely worth it because I did did I mention the eight attacks on threes threes neg two two, okay, great Not to mention the five choppa attacks on basically the same profile um and The word channel is up to 110 because of his new abilities, but brutes are down to 140 Uh, we haven't seen the cost of piggies yet. I'm very very like please don't change pigs. Please leave me the same Pigs are still like that. I'm super happy and then finally ard boys So this is an example of collapsing profiles like and I I super agree with this change This is something that should have been done for Uh For plague monks, let's all be honest. That was a horrible mistake Uh It's all one profile now or build your ard boy models. However you want Okay, actually that that makes me more excited for the army. I will say that is a good I I agree It was always the worst right because you had to like well, I got three of these guys and four of these I hate profiles like that is so annoying and it is the thing that slows down the game The most when crap like that happens, right? um the um So now it's just they all make two attacks threes and threes neg one rend one damage Straightforward easy and think about how awesome that is like just with a couple of simple buffs Like maybe somebody was and suddenly it's three attacks on threes and threes and neg one one damage Three attacks on threes and threes neg one rend two damage. That is a scary profile Uh Yeah No, I mean, yeah, we don't know what they're gonna we haven't seen that their actual new price yet. Um, so who knows right, you know It's I am beyond excited for all of this obviously, uh Yeah, I I watched that I watched the batter report Stoked us all get out. Uh, you know, I thought I was like I thought I had no army projects for a while I was like, man, what am I gonna do with my army? What are we looking at down here, Doug? You switched your camera. Oh, I just I want to lean in and look at stuff and I uh, don't want everyone to step the top of my head So, okay, I got it a little more Well, hey, there you go. You know what? I'll say this are we do we have any uh, do we have any news? Any any other news tom? I think we've covered just about everything Uh, we have a rumor engine, but it's been up on the screen the whole time. It's a mace. Congratulations It looks fancy like I've literally had it up on the entire thing Yep, yeah, I can't think of it. It tells us nothing. It doesn't matter. Cool. It's a mace All right, so uh this weekend is the the warhammer GT finals at war in the world or whatever. So that'll be streaming. So check that out if you want to watch that'll be Cool stuff to see go down But Let's move to some pick of the week Uh, Doug anything you want to share with everybody? Um, well, I'm sorry beer went down the wrong hatch. Um I normally always shout out to my my good friends about re-rolling ones Uh, but I want actually wanted to do somebody else this time and actually somebody I met at Nova and that is oscar lars Um, if you are not familiar with his work, he is a incredible painter. He has a lot of stuff on instagram and facebook um We were at nova and and I played against him and his like Super mega award-winning. I don't know painted storm cast and it was the best game of war cry I have Ever played it just seemed fitting for the topic And uh, yeah, it was incredible. Absolutely incredible Nice awesome. I will link his site down below. Yes. It's great. We got to go back to your face, dog I got to see your happy face, man. Oh my goodness. Okay. There you go. Not that I don't like watching blikings. You're painted But we got to see your face. I got to see your reactions. I got to feel the emotion That's what the viewers want. There we go The hot take exactly Tom what's your pick? Uh Besides by the way, you're worried about leaning in dug. You got a nice full head of hair there. It's great It's one of my stronger features. It's true. Yeah, like when I lean in people go blind like that's what happens there They're the sheen alone is just like Tom go ahead with your pick. I'm sorry Yeah, no worries. Uh dan from a s aos shorts. I'm gonna pick a friend of the show I want to pick his uh aos shorts. We've obviously talked about his stuff Many times before but because of the significance of all of this news and all the details that have been leaked out Dan's done a wonderful job compiling all that information for us. And so we want links to both the orc stuff and the Um the city's sigma stuff from dan's uh dan site Absolutely All right, uh my pick is actually gonna be for a friend of the show is a great guy and he's been kicking out a lot of Content mr. Mephisto. He's got his rant cast going got doom on there. He's been talking about everything It's a nice. He gives you a nice long lot of content. He goes down a lot of rabbit holes exactly the type of show I like just talking about anything and everything and uh, and it's it's a it's a great fun game So I'll link at his most recent episode Uh down there and he did a uh a rant on cities and on orc with doom and darkness So our good buddy doom and darkness. There you go And yes jack, we see you in the comments. We can Rerolling ones is obviously something we're all apparently contractually obligated to talk about. We are a wholly on subsidiary of tuple stuff, incorporate Uh, we were already acquired by the mortal realms So I suppose that you guys are gonna have to have a talk and so maybe we can merge into into the mortal ones Yeah, there you go. Good mortal ones. Oh wait, that doesn't sound as good as I know No, no, but that's just that's just an existential dread. No, that's just people That's just all humans. Yep for all the mortal ones Okay, anyway Uh at any rate, uh, so let's talk about some hobby time. Hey Doug. What are you working on man? We're not sure Oh, hey, I'm working on a whole mess of blightgings. Um so if you haven't followed on my channel I um I traded armies a lot as was poked fun of earlier And so, um, I wanted to challenge myself to have an army where I invest so much time and effort that I don't want to trade it Or sell it and so, um, yeah, I picked up magikin of nergal and I've been Doing all kinds of new stuff for me like custom bases with rollers and trying new different skin tones that kind of stuff and so, uh, I'm building towards a blight cyst list that I found online and Uh, yeah, I actually have a video going up, uh third Friday um About all my progress so far if you want to hop on i'm doing like a vlog style type thing with all the progress Nice Yeah, I've excited. I saw the guy you shared. Uh, he was looking great The bases are looking good lots of stuff going on there. Thank you I'm very excited for you, man. I love seeing somebody with a passion bring a hobby project to life That's what it's all about You kicked me in the butt when we were at nova and you're like you got to get excited about this stuff I was like i'm trying Because as I said there and I'll say it again, you've got the soul of a hobbyist You've got dedication to painting that most people would envy like and and you're you're good at what you do You just got to you got to get in there and find that thing that connects with you and it sounds like you found it So that's super exciting You know, it's not though is a green skin That's okay. I I do hate everything nergal But I like seeing other people a passionate about their hobby and that wins My hatred of nergal is uh is beaten out by my by my love of watching other people have passion for the hobby Tommy how them ghosts going man? How them ghosty boys? Uh um They're they're coming That was inspiring I know like it's just it's taken a lot longer like I don't do well with like projects that I don't like The last two years like last year and this year have been an exercise in like me learning to be Like okay with things not being like as I want them to be in my painting and Like they're just There's just a lot of work to be done and I know that I don't have the time to do it And so I'm like trying to come to terms with like not having Like projects perfected to the level that I want um And so there's just a lot of work that I could still do on these guys And I'm having a hard time setting my x-rays to the side to work on other stuff so That's where i'm at I'm hoping to get them done in the next couple days so I can move on to My last couple heroes and then I can go to painting the thing that I really want to do which is the um The black coach Oh, yeah That sounds fun Yeah, all right Uh as to myself Progress continues on the night We're into the body of the thing now. There's all my pieces laid out So you two won't be able to see it obviously, but there's the the top of the The night like the top of the um It's a it's a big face. That's what it is The whatever you call it the top shell of armor and I was just finishing up the last Shoulder pad which is some of the last freehand I've got to do on him. So he's moving along My my lovely wonderful wife is going away this weekend. Uh, and so that means that um I don't plan to move from this chair. It's just going to be a lot of time Sitting here finishing this night. Uh, I'm really excited about it. It's it's coming together The slinish night is rocking along. So I'm uh, I'm keen to get that done But it's surprisingly all of a sudden I have a new I I've suddenly like, hmm Maybe I should uh get a couple iron draws things back out. I do have an extra mega boss on maw crusher Got it. I got some extra brutes around. Maybe it's time to uh Maybe it's time to get a couple more of those boys get get get going. So, you know, there you go Uh, okay top carapace. Sure. Yes. There you go. That's it. We'll take that Uh, but I I really do, you know, I love these projects. These nights are ungodly long projects like I spent Three hours today. You're not going to be able to see this but on this shoulder pad. There is a tiny snake There is a snake. He's not very big and I still need and he's not done yet But I spent three hours painting and repainting and fixing the snake And he's still got more hours of work to do. That's what painting these things is Is sitting there for hours painting a snake One tiny piece. So there you go. Uh But at the end it's all worth it. Uh, okay so Gentlemen with all that being said shall we now finally turn to our topic? and uh and discuss the Monsters and mercenaries of war cry. What do you think? Yeah, I totally prepped for this project. Absolutely. So monsters and mercs Uh, it should actually be called like monsters mercenaries and fate, but that's okay I agree. Yeah, then there's more in there than the name led me to believe. Right, right But let's start at like a high level view. So Doug, what what did you think of this book overall? You like it? You happy with it? Well, I'm gonna steal Tom's whole answer from before and just say it's good I I I really really enjoyed it One of the things that I I love is they you can tell that they've designed the game with expandability at the forefront Right and what that means is everything that they release can have some Value that isn't required but certainly increases like there's four like mini campaigns in here Where if you like are kick and tail With the warband you've been doing and you're like, oh, I reached the end of my campaign. What do I do? You start punching a gorgon is what you do and that's amazing Like it's just stuff to to keep that role playing of your same dudes going right Absolutely, there's and and we'll get into like how the monsters slash mercenaries work Because there's there really is like a shocking amount of stuff in here to explore And you know what we've been talking about in our group the past couple weeks Is defining like we've played some games trying to people are like trying a lot of different Trying a lot of different warbands right because it's you know, it's the kind of thing where they want to Nobody wants to commit yet So everybody's just trying all the different warbands until we decide what our campaign force is going to be Now let me just say I have already decided I know for a fact like I'm in I'm in like Flynn for uh for for the gloom spike gets Dem gets I uh, I already ordered the extra boingrop bounders or whatever. I needed they came so I will pay two of those up That's funny. Um Because I only need two in the warband. So that's cool. I just ordered two of them Uh, but overall I'm beyond excited about that But everybody's been playing through and I think I hope let me say it this way That everybody is thinking about this almost as much from a narrative campaign type perspective because to me That's where this shines Yeah, um, I have a question but I'll let tom be of his sure No, I would agree that I think that uh, like my only my big like question I mean to be honest is like why didn't they give us ever chosen? Mm-hmm. Well, yeah, sure. We'll we'll get into that because there's there's an interesting rub where that is, right? So, yeah, all right. So so let's kind of let's kind of break this book down Um, other than like the art section and stuff at the top That does have some really cool fluff and pictures in it like the story of karngrad This like horrible horrible chaos city. This picture right here is like one of my favorites This one with them bringing down you I know you both you can't see it No, no, I'm watching for the feed. It's okay. Both. It's like all the people bringing down this giant monster, right? Like it's sort of an impressionistic piece, but it's just amazing because like you see Just the hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of people like like it's like gulliver's travels Right as they've brought down this incredibly massive beast And it's just stuff like that is so cool um Like it just really gives you the sort of size and perspective on this on this world and this realm of chaos So it goes through kind of you know those elements Then there's of course the little you know section where it just shows all the pretty models All of our pretty models and then we get into the actual meat of it So like the meat of it starts on page 22 And there are really three sections to this book and that's why I said it should be monsters, mercenaries and fate Because the first part is actually fated quests So Doug you want to you want to kind of explain a little bit about fated quests and kind of what those are Yeah, so if you own the the core book for war cry just from the starter setter you bought it separately basically every Well all the the six New chaos war bands have two campaigns and all the other guys have like one And the reason that's and cool is because you can you know build your narrative over time that kind of stuff well what these are is basically a Uh I'm gonna say it's like a mini campaign, but I think it's designed to be sort of on hard mode Is that fair to say? Uh, I mean yeah, because it's challenging what you're supposed to do because there's a big reward at the at the exactly I mean, I briefly looked over the um I think for two of them I looked at the the mission cards and their deployment stuff and they seem real rough I mean if nothing else they they stretch a war band in different ways Right in terms of objective play and killing stuff So it it certainly could be difficult if you're sticking to one like I think they kind of intend Uh, but yeah, it's basically just a series of campaigns where you um Take your guys out and just elevate them over time harder and harder missions. Uh, keep the story going Um, some of them there's a mix of different story arcs as to why you're doing those things right, uh, which is nice. Um Yeah Yeah, so there are uh, there are basically Four different quest arcs that are given in here, right? So the hunt for the doom blade the crown of davinok the lords of the arena and slaves and masters And so each of them is kind of its own little mini campaign, right? And there are multiple Battles that happen within them. So these contain three Battles basically the first convergence the second convergence and the final convergence And so like in the hunt for the doom blade, they're sort of there's They have set maps They have set deployments like from the existing cards set victories and then most of the time you're just drawing a twist, right? Uh, yes, and it there are there can be games in because it's structured Just like a campaign where those are convergence missions, but everything else in between you can do it Or you want basically right exactly. Yep. So you don't the the campaign itself consists of these three But it's not like those are it's not like when you commit to them It's like well, this is the next three games. I'm playing exactly. Yeah. Yeah, just absolutely absolutely, right And at the end of the campaign, you know what it feels like when you read the text Do you remember reading the hero quest? text Just a little bit before my time. I understand yes But you know, tom like for those in the in the audience who played hero quest Or I guess I don't know if it was always called warhammer quest in the uk or not I'm not sure but I I know that some people in the warhammer headquarters just started playing A hero quest campaign because they were sharing it on twitter, which looked awesome um But anyway, like when you open to a quest it would be like, you know, if somebody That you you'd have the introduction for mentor and he'd be like, you know High in the mountains lies a cave filled with, you know, blah, blah, blah, blah, right? And so and then when you close the battle you would get the same thing So here it's like hunt for the doomblade ancient vaults and temples dot the bloodwind spoil Concealing artifacts of terrible power now word is spreading that the legendary doomblade has been found It's resting place discovered by a bandit lord known as crawl shadow soul Right. Yeah, like and so on and on and on directly that uh Out of hero quest actually I was just saying and then like the outcome is like the enemy warbands leader drops to their knees Wretching up goblet They extend a longing arm towards the doomblades altar before your weapon descends And ends their dreams of conquest right like just That's great. So yeah Yeah, absolutely very very dramatic So and then at the end of it you get to pick honor or glory If you pick honor you get an exalted command trait if you pick glory you get an artifact So like for example If you're on the hunt for the doomblade and you pick glory Can you guess what artifact you get? the doomblade Yay, you win And uh, what the doomblade does is add five To the damage points allocated by critical hits from attack actions made by the bear that have a range characteristic of three or less Yeah, holy crap That is a lot of extra grit damage Yeah Yeah, so oh high pup Yeah, so that's pretty great Yeah, so and then like there's just all sorts of fun stuff like If you if you do the one For the lords of the arena If the bearer of this artifact powers included in your warband you begin the battle with two wild dice instead of one Pretty cool. Sorry with two additional wild dice. So you start with three instead of one. I'm sorry Just cool stuff So they're just a really interesting way to extend the value of campaigns to build your warband Especially as they get tougher Yeah, right Um, yeah, and some of those are pretty pretty tough quests. Um All right, cool The uh The other thing we should make we should note here About the faded quest territory rules is that as you spend glory points to dominate territory It increases the fighters available when mustering your warband for a campaign battle by 50 per dominated territory And it also if you're one of the chaos factions Like the the iron golems the untamed beasts yada yada, then you can add thralls to your army as well, right? So We'll talk it towards the end But one thing that I can I thought about when we factor in monsters all the mercenaries you can bring Thralls and your own warband like you can have a lot of stuff you can You can have a mighty warband. It's pretty cool. Yeah, and thralls end up being stuff that are like the lesser weird chaos things So razor gore, chaos spawn warhounds like that stuff. Yeah, yep Okay, so that's faded quests pretty cool. Um, you know could be something that you explore But in honesty, it's the kind of thing where like Maybe you don't even really do much of it, right? Like it could be the part of the book you use the most Or not at all, but I think it's awesome that it's there. Okay totally Uh, now let's talk about the monsters part of this because that's that's the first word And that's where we get to challenge battles challenge So this is how you get a control of monsters. Mm-hmm Doug, what do you what do you think about this? You want to you want to lay down the basics of this one? Yeah, so basically the idea is um, you This is the one where you have to Have a stake right a prerequisite and a stake. That's right. Yeah, exactly. Okay. Yeah, so, um Basically, there's there's prerequisites for every one of these challenges So the first one is like you have to control to tear or dominate two territories and the stake is One meaning I have to have to and if I lose this battle, I lose one of those two I am gambling basically. Yep and um So they each have one of those and then they list off they make some good clarifications as far as like You know, um, when you ask somebody if they would be the challenger, it doesn't affect their warband or anything like that They're just filling in to be a monster for this one game um And yeah, and then it basically lets you break down. Let me grab the list right in front of me, but I know the first one Was you versus a giant, right? Well, so there's yeah, exactly like just to lay down Yeah, go for it. No, you're fine. Just to lay down some more basics real quick. Exactly, right So you basically when you rock up with your your buddy in a game, you say, okay Instead of doing a normal game where you play your warband and I play mine Would you let me do a challenge battle? So they become the adversary player and you become the challenger, right? You're piloting you're mustering some warband Um from within your normal limits and and how these work are different in open narrative and kind of match doesn't really This isn't really part of it as much. Um, but in principle They're then going to pilot a monster based on the nature of the individual Challenge you decide to go on, right? and so, uh, there is the Layer of the trifle beast, which is you versus the chimera and also There are interesting rules for like how you make your list. So it says, um, You as the challenger your warband Cannot exceed three times the point value of the adversaries warband Right. So chimera comes out. I think he had like Nine nine hundred and fifteen points. So not even a full warband versus that right exactly. So like it's it's absolutely a great point So each of the monsters and we'll kind of talk about their points later But a lot of them have this like three x limits Yeah, that are that are on you, right? So where is the stupid chimera? Did I flip right past him? I'm flipping right past him. I'll use a different guy. Let's talk about the terror guys because he has nice simple math Let's say you go after the terror guys, which is actually like really hard by the way the terror guys We'll talk about him in a minute. But anyways, he's 300. Yeah, he's 350 points Right, so you could muster a thousand and fifty when you fight him or whatever if it's the three x rule Whereas you mentioned going after the giant which you're right like the chaos gargant the gorgon and the cygor Are the the second ones and like the chaos gargant is 305 So there you're only getting 915 to muster out of the cygor is only 295 as usual He is not impressive, but your warband Sure But your warband is like uh is smaller accordingly, right because most of them have this three x limit in place We should also mention that there's going to be like Specific special rules that are unique to each of these things Yeah, some of them are legit. Yeah, some of them are really cool Uh, so like for the scuttler in the dark for example, which is going after the skitter strand or actual rock um The by the way the way this deploys for people so for people who know war cry deployment Where you have like, you know your hammer your shield in your dagger or whatever Um The monster just gets to set up basically at any of their deployment points that they want to do whatever you want Yeah, they they don't they're not like the the monster player who plays the skitter strand doesn't like Choose to put the monster into shield and then have it flip the shield doesn't come in until basically the end of the game And it's just your warband sitting around going, huh? There was a spider around here. Yeah exactly So like the the scuttler in the dark the spider has an ability called where did it go where once for battle He can just basically if he's more than three inches away Remove himself from the battlefield and then in the reserve phase the next battle round He can be set up again anywhere more than five inches from enemy fighters. So he can like Up and then drop back down and so on and so forth uh the So that's kind of the basic principles Yeah, so you're right the lair of the beast which is the chimera colossal carnage Which is gargant gorgon cygor scuttler, which is skitter strand the menagerie of horrors Which is the terror geist or the zombie dragon. Did you catch the special rules on this one? Um, I was too obsessed with the caribdas. No, I I get it. Um, let's see The grave stirs one. Yeah So at the start of each battle round before the hero if a Seri player can set up any number of fighters in the battlefield with a combined value of 200 points or less Has to have one of the following rune marks leeches them to gash or night haunt. So it poops out more dudes Yeah At the start of each battle round like some skeletons or uh, you know blade guys or whatever ghouls. Yeah, just like all show up, right? That's crazy and there's no uh It has to be more than five inches away from enemy fighters Right, but it doesn't have like a has to be within three inches. There's the crowding. It doesn't help. Yeah They just pop up in the middle of the board Right behind you. Yep. And all of these by the way are the two dominated territories one stake to get these guys um, you've got trial of serpents which is actually like again The the trial of serpents is amazing because it's not you going to like the layer of this thing Yep It's you fighting in an arena. Yes, that's by love. That's what I'm going to do in my my narrative campaign, right? It's amazing. Uh, well, I should state that one of my display boards I made is a giant arena for my daughter So I actually do have a full like I've got a big arena. I could use to fight in for this Um, well, no, you have a quarter of arena. You haven't finished painting the other three quarters It doesn't matter. It's like that's the point you fight in that space. It's almost the right size um at any rate But yeah, that's where you get like the baying crowd So it's like making out of how many abilities are used by fighters and the abilities are used by fighters in the challenger warband at the start of each hero phase after the first roll a number of dice Equal to the number of abilities used by fighters from the challenger warband last bout around for each roll of a six The crowd is impressed and you gain one additional wild dice for each roll of one The adversary player gains one additional wild dice because the crowd Boo's It's so great And they're just their their abilities as monsters. We'll get to them later. But yeah, they're yeah, that's yeah, absolutely and then your big one is You have sort of two big ones, which is into the jaws of death uh, and And hand of the ever chosen which both require more so into the jaws of death is like four dominated territories and stakes two, right um and the The adversary player gets to basically use a bunch of the chaotic beast Roonmark stuff. Yep uh, yeah, and it's just it's like uh It's basically just like monster thon, right? It's a big giant monster thon fight Yeah Uh, it's pretty crazy and then finally the hand of the ever chosen and this tom's probably a good place to talk about You were mentioning so this one's the tough one. This is your final sort of battle six dominated territories staking two and the uh The verringard's retinue is what you're up against there, right? And which Is a warband It is yeah, it's a warband in here with its own the ever chosen abilities a verringard is 385 points with 40 wounds Like he is a strength six toughness eight eight Hero Right that makes six attacks doing five and five ten damage Ain't no joke. God This dude is straight murder Well, he's like one in ten million Yeah You ain't joking well No, like like i'm really not like the lord that this gives us is that Oh verringard are literally one in ten million. One in ten million. Yes Chaos lords. Yes. So out of every every verringard that you put on the table 1000 chaos lords Had to compete For one of them to have a chance to earn the spot amongst the verringard Where are the 10 thousand Of those that succeeded that one in a thousand chance Only one in ten thousand actually become a verringard, which means that chaos cycles through literally 10 million chaos lords for every one verringard that's produced So if you've ever played a chaos lord, just know he's got a one in ten million chance of becoming a verringard which Frankly seems like kind of a lateral move. Yep Rather be a big fish in a little pond somewhere in the back back alley part of action or something like that Yeah poor guys But like I just I don't get it like This could easily be a warband like it has everything it needs Sure Yeah, so you can't actually play it outside of this mission But I mean all the rules for it Including abilities I assume the verringard is just too powerful of a dude for you to be walking around with because he is just like He is beyond where the points sort of break down. He's He's undercosted intentionally because it's meant to be challenging Like the way this battle works is the adversary player who's piloting the verringard's retinue He gets 2000 points worth of models Right And you're basic like You're basic chaos dude Right, just like chaos warrior with shield Right Right 170 point model that makes three attacks of strength for toughness for two five with 15 wounds right um Whereas the chosen are like Not so right there. They're just Off the rails and stuff like that the exalted champion is insane another hero, right? Do you know what this ultimately tells us? That they're gonna be recombined Yeah, they're gonna be recombined sure and that you're not getting a slaves to darkness book You're getting an ever chosen book that has slaves to darkness in it. I'm cool with that Absolutely, like that'd be a great way to frame it. Just call it like the hand of their like the hand of the ever chosen Or the something like that blah blah blah or even just you know If the darkness take ever chosen as a keyword like a chaos god, that'd be fine. Sure And the um The the key as you as the challenger by the way Only get 1500 points So you're down like this warband is theoretically under costed as it is And you're down against them. So like this is a hell of a fight. Your people better be ready Better beat a gorgon first or a corib dis Uh, but the spoils of the hand of the ever chosen is amazing I don't know if you all you all noticed it, but you get the demon forged blade that the varen guard wields Uh, which adds one to the damage points allocated by both your hits and critical hits So your damage goes up by one universally and in addition you add two to the value of any abilities used by the bearer So like if you if you clock an ability that's all fours on the dice like trip fours It's now trip sixes. If it's trip sixes. It's trip eights right Yeah, like it doesn't say um maximum of six. Oh, sorry to a maximum six. Yeah, I'm sorry. Yeah, it's I'm sorry. I I totally read Either way, I just like I've only ever seen that worded the other way Yes, if it turns everything four five and six to sixes to your trips or your doubles, which is amazingly good um Yeah, it's super powerful so Yeah, it's the monsters are cool. And so basically the way this works to kind of break this down in Uh in your narrative games when you Uh When you go out and you do this challenge battle as part of a narrative campaign Which is how certainly I would be doing it because we're going to be doing a whole narrative thing um assuming you win Then what happens is that guy that monster you get to choose a sort of you get to choose your spoils at the end Of the mission you got two choices You can either carve it up and sell it in most cases or break its spirit If you carve it up and sell it you get to make three additional search rolls on the lesser artifact table during your boring Or you can break its spirit where you can add it to your roster and then from that point on Whenever you muster your warband for like the narrative um you can Uh, you can choose to basically pay the points cost for that monster and bring them on in and they have to be aligned I should it should be stated to your yeah to your allegiance, right? So like all the order things have order monsters so you can like You as the order warband if you go after the scuttler in the dark you're you know, you can't you can't actually muster you can't break it Before your vision for that artifact I mean there's a reasons to go after something that you can't capture but right it's more fun if you do So the order people like to fight in the arena Which I assume is the I don't do they actually say it in here anywhere that it's the arena that uh that malarian runs No, I didn't catch that I was looking for it because I was I'm always looking for a lore on that but I don't think so. Yeah, they kind of make it a little more like ambiguous, but it seems like that it could just be a generic Fighting pit and that's fine. Um, but super cool. Anyways, uh, and when you're fighting monsters There's a new set of abilities that you get as part of your warband on your dubbs trips, etc And new abilities that the monsters get it well So like there's you know, you can like jump on its back for example So you can like pick it this is a double ability anybody in your warband can do it's completely un unruin marked Pick up enemy fighter with the gargantuan rune mark until the end of the battle round if that fighter starts to move Action within one inch this fighter then after that move action You can remove this fighter from the battlefield and set them up within one inch of that fighter as basically they ride along Right being the idea there. So just cool stuff like that Uh, yeah My favorite is the um on the monster enter chart is the quad which is uh taunt which is just you pick a dude and uh If you roll the dice, right basically the monster can only attack that person Which I mean it's just awesome because then you can point him in directions that you don't want him to go. Um Force him to move towards a target that is not optimal. I know this is cool Having that one one derpy intern, you know How about Wave your arms it'll scare it away. Yeah, sorry, buddy We should state that most of these monsters are basically in the like 50 plus wound category I think the highest of 55 on the arachnid rock is what I saw. Yeah, I think that's right But they're 50. Yeah. Yep, and they they do still have damage tables Yes, and what's affected is their move in in all cases. It's their move and the damage they deal So the more you beat them up the easier it does become to finish them off But like when these guys are, you know first sort of free roaming They are very scary like, you know, I mentioned that the terror guys and zombie dragon are challenging I mean, they're like move 12 monsters when they start out Making, you know four strength five attacks at damage four eight You know and like who who also have by the by some pretty decent abilities Yeah Now one thing I I didn't see because I was looking for it specifically between this and the allies things we'll get to later Is that nothing says that they cannot use the universal abilities Like Just straight Right. Oh, you mean like the ones just did the truly generic unique Yes, or sorry not unique the truly generic ability. Sorry. Yes. Yeah, and the reason that's important is because In the game also you get one you can use one ability per activation unless you're the last dude alive You have a single model left in your warband So these guys can go whole hog and just spend a bunch of abilities they can do it all over the place Hmm Yeah, it does I'll have to read that The other thing we should note about monsters and their activation is that They don't activate like they would be kind of boring if all you did was like activate them once right and then And make two actions and then you're done Monsters activate three times instead of once but each time it activates it makes one action instead of two Yep, and each time a monster is activated it can use one ability before or after its action Uh, there you go. They also monsters also can't wait. So there you go. Yep Oh, there it is. Yeah monsters cannot use universal abilities. Okay. Where page is that on? 44 it's kind of in a weird place, but it They can only use the monster abilities opposite. Okay. Is there anything say the they can't use more than one? uh so the Each time a monster is activated it can use one ability before I was super excited about that No, I understand Um, okay, so yeah, there you go. Uh, Oh, yeah, we should mention that like what is the favorite monster? I do I absolutely do. Yes, uh, so you know what? My favorite monster is actually I really like the um the war hydra slash Charybdis Because I just think They're they're not the fastest, but like they're move six which is fast enough They have a really good damage profile on five ten. They make a lot of attacks. They make like six attacks at strength five They're only toughness four, but frankly many of the monsters are only toughness four So I'm not sure that's the biggest drawback So I I really like the the hydra and the Charybdis. I mean, they're basically the same monster Yeah, they they kind of are but the what makes them unique is like Um, they have a great attack profile just fantastic all around but then um Both of them have ways of doing damage with abilities on triples rather than just in combat and I really like that Like some of these are kind of wonky where it's like use this ability and then roll six dice It's like I don't like spending abilities on random things. I agreed um But like the hydra shoots fire at someone in six inches and the Charybdis just has a bubble effect of damage around him Yep, and those are those are definitely my picks. Yeah, I agree that fiery breath is like if people group up on him He's like whoosh You know, and it could be a big amount of damage you just allocated out there, right? The person here. I just want them because I want to paint them. Yeah. Yeah, sure I mean like they're my favorites because I want to put them like I want to see a warband fighting a hydra. Yeah It's just a cool image, right? Yeah. Yeah um, also shout out to the chaos gargant Okay who is Uh, he's he's okay. He's pretty cheap as monsters go. I don't think he'd be that impossible to kill But he's just great because he he uh, he doesn't fall over But he has an ability where he could fall over you can yes, but it's an optional thing you can use Right to actually like add to his move characteristic If that's how it worked in the normal scroll where it was like some optional thing. I activated for a risk reward It's this is like look in war cry is the best a giant will ever be I mean you're not wrong I want to give a one shout out to the cygore in terms of Making It is the cheapest. Yeah in terms of making rules very uh narrative like you're using the model to tell a story I think it actually wins Um, and the reason is his abilities the first one is rip and terra masonry where he's near an obstacle He rips off a huge rock the one he's chucking on the model And then another ability is hurl that boulder. So it gives him this like devastating shooting attack You roll a number of dice equal to the value of the triple So if you rolled six it'd be six dice each four up allocates five damage to the fighter. It's a 15 inch range gun Which is He's he's probably the weakest in terms of like actually doing stuff He has to pick up the rock and to throw it, but I love it Yeah, well, we should also state that like his quad is pretty good too. It's also a pretty decent damage ability, right? Because it's a pbaoe around him And He it's a it's a not only is it a pbaoe. It's a self heal pbaoe Right, so it hits everybody within six inches of him on a four plus You allocate three damage points to that fighter and remove three damage points from him That's pretty cool. No, I mean there's not a lot of these dudes that heal So actually like yeah, his throw is pretty slow, but you're right. It's a it's a big gun like If a boulder falls on you it only takes a couple four pluses to that you're allocating like 15 damage Which squishes a lot of fighters in the game I mean, yeah, well, I mean if you roll two four ups, that's everything in the gloomspike gets basically that's everything in My corvus cabal, we you know anything. That's not a leader. Basically is tope Insta yeah all your non-elite dudes all the eight wound guys just squish Right and the same guys just laugh the dogs are fine. It's whatever Absolutely. Yeah, so the monsters are pretty great. Um, that's it's fun. It's fun way to go get them I like especially in a narrative game how you've got to go Do the mission Complete the mission kill the monster and they're still just in your warp in but now you have the ability to add them So that's super cool All right, so now let's move on to uh to allies to our mercenaries as it were once again We have an alignment of faction here. So the way this works is that there's a an allegiance Um each so every ally has a faction rune mark consult the ally allegiance table To see which one they share with an ally can only be included in a warband Whose faction rune mark appears in the same column as its faction rune mark. So in other words To put this very simply right You can't take an aspiring deathbringer the corn blood bound hero, right? If you're a gloom spike gets Player, right? You have to take something from destruction. Yeah, you have to take something from destruction and But you're not limited to just your faction Right, so uh, if you're a gets army, you can go get a war chanter Or you can go get a mega boss Or whatever right and that's perfectly fine Uh, so that's kind of cool The way that these work in open and matched or sorry in this is a really interesting alignment In open and matched play You can just choose if you want to use allies that you both get one ally in your warband But they cost points like anything else Right Okay, cool enough simple easy rule Narrative play however is way more interesting as always Um allies can be added to your warband roster while your warband is embarked on a campaign quest During the add and remove fighter step of the aftermath sequence You can add one ally to your warband roster for each area of dominated territory on your roster They do not count towards the maximum number of fighters you can add to your roster In other words, you can exceed 20 with them, right? Um Once the number of allies on your warband roster equals your number of dominated territories You cannot add any more allies until an ally is removed or you dominate more territories If you ever have fewer dominated territories than allies on your roster for example due to losing dominated territories For example from the quests we mentioned earlier where you have to stake and you lose them Uh, and the add remove fighter step You must remove allies until you you know get back down to the proper number as they want They're off, right? Let's get bored. Yeah, as you get bored. You're not cool enough anymore You're not good enough for me. You're not my real dad. I'm out of here Um, they can still gain destiny levels players still make injury roles for them Which is cool because that means they can die However allies can never bear lesser artifacts or artifacts of power and can never be chosen to become your Or a favored warrior. Sorry And then when mustering your your so they're on you're just on your roster and then when you muster You just you know, then you can pay for them, right? So And there you go. That's how allies work. So you can just sort of recruit these people in and uh And by so vis-a-vis the number of dominated territories you have important to note You can't start with them in a narrative campaign because you're not starting with dominated territories You earn those over time and And then you can start adding these guys in The choices here are a lot of what you would expect like in slaves to darkness You got like the dark oath chieftain and war queen sorgh lord and cast lord Hey Getting that cast lord. He's on his road. It's only one in 10 million and he'll get his way up to verringard You can get the great brave shaman most of the corn heroes Disciples of zinch can you can get the ogreid thermotage which is cool as well as like the various gaunt summoners Skaven you can get the claw lord the gray seer maggot kin the lord of blights and lord of plagues Storm cast you get a bunch of the warrior dudes daughters. You get the hag and slaughter queen Deep kin the soul the soul people renders and scryers and the tide caster Night haunt you get the various knights of shrouds and wraiths and spirit of torments and banshees Legions you can get a lone knuckromancer or the white king first appearance of him I was happy to see him for sure You can get the barren ghoul king the megaboss the chanter the shaman the savage big boss from below and split is the What's the name of the little goblin crew? I can't remember their name the gobbler. Thank you Yeah, any any individual member of the gobbler falooza who are all quite cheap or the cave shaman and there you go Woof big list of potential allies so gentlemen Do you have any favorites from this list list dug anybody catch your eye? Uh-huh Doug you're on mute somehow Nope still muted I think it happened In the hangout somehow. There we go. There you are. Okay. Um, yes, they do Tom you had a person go ahead go ahead. You were you were right at the rip Gobba falooza because it gives me a reason to buy the box She's been looking for an excuse Yep I mean men's come on You're thinking about goblins, right? I am you can buy one box and get five allies sure and each of them It should be noted basically has their own little Special ability. Um, they are all horrendously weak as one would expect, right? Like they're they're like 85 90 points Oh, you can also get the loon boss. I'm sorry. I forgot about him, but I shouldn't forget him um But you know they have you're you're getting them Basically because of their their abilities Right like normal Sure, they're not fighters is the point here Yeah um For me I actually I was talking to paul concy earlier and actually got it wrong and misread So I'll get to look really closely when you look at these things the icons sometimes are so similar I know you get you get backwards on what ability goes to what dude Do you mind if I jump in real quick, but please go for a note to follow on that Yeah, why did they make the leader rune mark? So close to like three other rune marks with a skull in the center and a star around it. Yep Guys come on the number of times we've been playing and went. Oh, heck. Oh, I can't now. That's That's not the same one because they they're so Similar Yeah, did you just run out of icons and whatever program you're using come on guys. All right. Anyway, I'm sorry dug I don't know. Yeah, I agree with you vociferously. Please continue No, it's one of those things. It's just like I think you're all undervaluing the value of just like a number Yeah But my pick I thought it was the war queen, but it is not actually it belongs to the dark oath chieftain. He is my My jam so He's the dude who came out with silver tower like many moons ago And uh, so I play a lot of corpus cabal. They don't have all any like big hitter units. There's a lot of Movement stuff and that kind of stuff, but there's nothing really that has a punch Um, so the dark oath chieftain doesn't have a stellar profile. He 25 moons for uh, sorry for toughness and then five attacks strength five Choose to hit. Sorry choose damage and then five on a crit But his ability is death blow, which is a double. So it's very easy to get Um add the value of this ability to the damage points allocated enemy fighters each hit or critical hit Um So if you get double six, you can turn that crit five into a crit 11 Yeah, or just the basic hit. It becomes damage eight Yep And yeah, it's one doubles. So like it's not at all hard to get right? I mean you are guaranteed to get it because you have your wild eye. Right. It's just how good is it? Yeah Yeah, yeah, it's no. I agree. He is brutal He is absolutely brutal. Yes, dude some work Uh Yeah, he he ain't too shabby at all. Um The I do like the war queen as well. She's worth a shout out her advantage is she's tougher Right like on numbers a little shield. Yeah. Yeah, because she actually has the shield. So she's toughness five Um, and her ability is the will of the gods Which until the end of the battle round you add one to the move characteristic of friendly fighters that are within six Enches of this fighter at the start of their activation. So again, also a double ability Not bad. Not as good as like this dude rex house Smacking down, you know, go super saying yeah three to nine damage on normal hits Yeah, yeah No, it's he's strong Absolutely, uh To me the the the one that's like the least interesting is the chaos lord, right? Oh, yeah, yeah, his ability is garbage is like demon blade ability is garbage He has the lower toughness. He makes the lower number of attacks His only kind of cool thing is that he does have a higher base damage profile but as we just talked about like The dark oath chieftain can can like take him behind the woodshed pretty easy and they all have the same number wounds This is why it takes 10 million of them to generate one He I was going to say that he saw the varen garden has started having performance issues out of anxiety. Absolutely absolutely, yeah Uh The each one's kind of made me sad if I'm honest. Oh really? Yeah So the basic is each thing is they're all wizards, which you know, cool But uh, and it basically gives them like a shooting attack, but it's not great and I don't know I just didn't feel like I Feel like uh, if you're going for that kind of thing you want to add splash in some shooting The the gracier is probably a much better choice Any yeah, I mean, he's a lot cheaper, right for basically the same attack Well, even this their ability so he can he can eat warpstone and buff up his shooting thing to I haven't so he's a good gun. Not just a gun. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah I mean the downside to the gracier is he is he's very squishy You know, he's a toughness three dude, you know with 20 wounds whereas like the ogreoid thomatoes is like 35 wounds and Again, they all almost all of the zinch people you're exactly right have like the basic You know throw magic ability You know two attacks strength three three six damage. It's a good attack, but yeah, I agree. It's it's not Yeah Yeah, they're all okay um The seer generates the same thing at 100 on 125 point body And yeah, you're right like his his consume warpstone is is pretty good Uh, are you excited about either the lord of plagues or lord of blights? Did you like either of those dudes? um, I their abilities seem very boring to me, but um, the fact that I think they're what they really add for me personally is the fact that they can just sit in an area and then just dominate it Like they're so tough. There's so many wounds going on. Yeah, they're a very high wound for their points. That's true. Yeah So I can definitely see trying them out for sure. Yep um A lot of the storm cast people were interesting because there are some very very very tough Storm cast dudes in this chamber. Um, you know the knight questor Uh being toughness six off the rip with 30 wounds Not too shabby ready to do some work. Yep Um, and he can also like, uh Uh He can also like buff up, uh his attack characteristic pretty high. So even though he's only got four attacks base He can actually add like half of it uh off a double he can add half of your activation into it So he can get his attack activation, you know higher up there. Yeah I like him Yeah, they work in toot exactly what you would expect, right? Yeah It didn't mean to go backwards anything from corn stand out to you It really didn't I mean like yeah, they're they all felt like Okay Anybody else going to like paint their like war bands to god specific stuff? Uh, I'm not because I like the lore of like the idea of the great devourer for the corvus, but I might for some other one So because like I think I'm gonna do for me like I'm gonna do my iron golems as corn like corn related Like so they're gonna they'll scheme with the rest of my corn stuff I think I'm gonna do my untamed beasts with nergal because like My my nergal army already like conceptually was from ger like it was the horned legion Like and everybody's horns and like they you know like the war shrine was a big uh like Thunder tusk. Yeah, and so um Like I think untamed beasts like I'm gonna you do them and all my nergal stuff and then I'll probably do my uh My scythe for lords and siege I'm guessing just because that's like they already looked apart Yeah Yeah, I mean here's what I'll say stat wise none of the corn guys super impressed me I mean they're all fine, you know like they're all relatively damaging melee dudes with With some measure of decent ish ranges and attacks and strengths and so on right Like the exalted death ringer is strength six, which is cool. They all have about 30 wounds You know Great like again all their stats are pretty much what you would expect for a tough thing like that Yeah, the the good thing about corn to me is actually just their they have a universal double Yep, yeah, that's all that too. Yeah, any of them can use Which I actually do think is pretty good Which is a fighter can use this ability only if an enemy fighter has been taken down My attack action made by them this activation this fighter makes a bonus move action or bonus attack action That I think is pretty strong because it means that you're you know, again, it's on doubles When you kill people which is what these guys are generally going to do They can go if there's like if they you're much less afraid to get them in combat with like two targets Right because you can smack one dude down Pop your double and then hopefully bring the other guy down too. It's almost like it's smashing and bashing Yeah, yeah uh, so the um The I did not care at all about daughters. Which brew is much less impressive in this than it is in uh Oh, you mean it's good Yeah um The I will say I do love the iron jaws guys Um, and specifically I really liked The mega boss just because he's outrageously tough 38 wounds five toughness strength six four eight on damage like he is a Beast of a of a murderer, right? Yeah Um, and his ability is mighty waw Which is just like the normal waw the iron jaws can use but it has a bigger range What I find interesting though is that for the iron jaws they gave they gave them Um, the double the basic double the charge ability And that so I've played bones splitters quite a bit. That is my absolute favorite ability It's just incredible. So given them the mega boss that so that you can Bonus move attack attack is just nasty. It's so good. Yeah because iron jaws have the same thing Bay, so it's just kept in line, right? And yes, I agree like when I was playing my iron jaws I think the vast majority I would I would like I wanted I needed to have a waw Yep, right for like one of the rounds to get where I needed to go and then everything else was just doubles to charge Right to get like move this guy now. I attack twice that model explodes and getting up as much as possible Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly. I mean in general if like an iron jaws brute Touches your model your model is going to be a red mist in a few seconds Like there aren't a lot of things that survive right multiple activations from from a brute, especially not like a brute boss or something Um, so yeah, I thought that guy was cool All in all, uh The allies are cool. It's a great use for a lot of interesting heroes. Yeah some of which frankly Uh, don't have as much use in the game no like Some do some don't I mean obviously dark oak chieftain right exactly like Seeing the dark oath war queen and the dark oath chieftain being like part of the conversation Is super exciting right like that's actually pretty great Hey, they may someday Maybe yeah 2020 Exactly Uh, so yeah, I mean these guys overall I mean this book was not super expensive. It was I don't remember how much I paid for it, but it was pretty cheap I think it was like 25 bucks. I'm like that. Yeah, that sounds right. I might have just Yes, uh, and I thought this was this is exactly the kind of expansion I wanted for for work Right, it's doing so much. I want in adding new interesting types of quests for the campaign New rewards new additions for your war bands Like I gotta say this is the kind of stuff that I would like to see and by the way all this still feels optional Yeah, yeah, um the question I was gonna ask in the beginning, but I wanted to leave it for the end is You know if they had said war cry doesn't have a match play format and then put this in that section I would have liked it more Oh if it was in the basic book. Yeah, well if they just leaned so heavy into narrative play and creating cool stories. I I think I don't know. I think leaning hard in that direction is the is the way to win with this game to be honest with you I agree. I'll tell you what I want the next expansion to be. Okay. I want the campaign guide Right. That's that's what I want and I want it to expand treasure tables injuries. Oh, yeah campaign quests Right. Just like just turn on the fire hose You know what I mean? Like just give me a campaign book Tell it to explore and I am I am all freaking in right Um different artifacts different lesser artifacts different different all that stuff, right? Like all the rewards you get as you're climbing the narrative Ladder there, right as you're going through your campaign progress tracker um So to me it's just like it's I don't I I get what you're saying at the same time My thought is I'm kind of glad it wasn't in the original book Just because then I got to just really hone in on the core rules And feel like I had a solid understanding of the simplicity of the game And this always still felt separate. Like I get it. I get what you're saying. You know what I mean Yeah, yeah, I think it lets to do with the uh The rules and that kind of stuff more the idea of just them the tone of the game being solely focused on Cool narrative. Yeah, yeah It goes in line with like what we didn't mention this story the news We kind of skipped it foolishly, but obviously the other big thing they announced was that the gaming book right? Oh, yeah, yeah And uh, where there it's gonna come which is $35 for those that were asking price. Yeah So, okay, there you go, which is fine. Yeah, because it combines the core rules again, which is free, but it's just it's there It's a printed reference plus the 31 battle plans that are relevant and the match play rules and uh all the uh Realm rules so no need to have like flipped through this thing to find these realm rules and this book to find these And carry I'm like, yep, great. It's a game made. I'm fine with it Should they have maybe published all that as one source originally? Yeah, who knows maybe but that's just not how the world worked out and I don't care Like I don't care about like beating them up for a decision They made a year and a half ago what I want is like we've all been saying wouldn't it be awesome to have uh A single reference book that we can just carry with us and has all that critical information in it And they said yeah, that sounds like a great idea. We'll print that for you I have a question. Does it have the um realm? Artifacts it does. Yeah, it does have the realm artifact. Ah, okay, cool. Yeah, exactly Exactly, I know that's amazing. Yeah, the realm artifacts realm rules and spells all in there. So with all their rata So for example Says once per game Yeah, we're once uh, yeah once per game once per game. Yeah, nice um The so we jumped a little that was a that was a late news item. Yeah, sorry It's okay. I forgot about it earlier, too Look, I'm not gonna lie It was hard for me to think about anything that wasn't oryx before the show started And then an hour of frustration with uh with youtube and streamlabs didn't help my nerves any But hey anyways, so there we go. We got this going Now I'll have to go back and remember how to trim in youtube again and clip the first 30 seconds of us just sitting there going are we on are we on? Uh, but there you go. That's monsters and mercs and cities and orc war clans. My gosh What a week Uh, this was a big one. So Doug any final thoughts you have on this? On uh monsters and mercenaries. Yeah. Yeah. Um, yeah, just go ahead and Like do the trust fall into crazy narrative stuff and you will not be disappointed Don't worry about it being balanced if it sounds crazy. That sounds fun. Just lean into it and uh Laugh a lot. I think that's the whole point Super duper duper agree. Yes a hundred percent. I can't wait to get my campaign games started. So Yep, it looks good so good Um, and you now have an excuse to paint up all those monsters that you would have never likely ever put on the table Right, that's amazing. First of all First of all other than the war hydra and cryptus which has previously stated I have zero of right because just it was a monster that fell through the cracks with me Uh, every one of these monsters that are in here. I already have and I already have painted And I probably already have in multiples with one other exception Which is the skitter strand because i'm not allowed to have spiders in the house Oh Uh, like if I tom brought his spiders one time and my wife was like nope If you ever have those i'm throwing it in the garbage. I'm gonna smash the hammer and throw it in the garbage. She hates spiders Yeah, my wife's the same way. Yeah, I showed her the arachnid rock and she was like, haha, no So I do want to paint one of those sometimes just because I think it would be really fun But I'll have to give it to somebody so Let's just I'll have to keep it secret down here. Just like I'm painting. What do you work on nothing? Don't look at this Don't look at this Go away Uh, but yeah But I got all the chaos gargants and gorgons and cygours and zombie dragons and terror guys Some I am ready to rock and hey if that city's book comes out in two weeks and that uh That war hydra as battle line army looks interesting. I think we all know where I'm going folks I got a black arc fleet master. I picked up on a hot deal. I got him for eight dollars. He's just been looking for a home I'm I'm ready for the uh, the games where two players have both captured a monster And they do a little destruction of tokyo with two uh two gorgons punching each other in the face Yeah, well, uh When the elephants fight it's the regular war bad members who suffer. That's right. Yeah, indeed All right gentlemen, well, let's uh call it a night then it's midnight because we started late. I apologize everybody Thank you all who stuck with us or Looking at this new link. I'm sorry about all this uh youtube just wouldn't take the stream and Hey, there it is, uh But I thank you all who for watching as always. We very much appreciate it Doug's channel will be linked below if you're not already subbed to him What are you doing with your life? But we very much appreciate it and we'll see you next wednesday Bye. Bye. See ya