 Good evening everybody, welcome to the Arlington Board of Selected Meeting for Monday, March 9th. It's a little past 7.15 p.m. and I do call this meeting order. First, I'd like to remind everyone that we are being filmed by ACMI, so please smile widely when on the microphone. And second, I would like to wish the best of luck to both the Arlington High School and Arlington Catholic Varsity Boys hockey teams who are facing off tonight in the Division 1 North Finals. The winner will go on to play the Winner of the Division 1 South game and you know both teams have made this town proud and we look forward to supporting whoever wins come next week at the Garden. So thank you very much. I've missed a chairman, sir, if you had a choice. We won't get into that right now. As a proud graduate of Arlington Catholic myself, do you have a preference as to who you'd like to see win this game, sir? You know, I'm in a tough spot because both, quite a few family members of mine have gone to Arlington Catholic, but I have a younger cousin on the Arlington High team right now. Oh. I want, you know, a tie perhaps, but I want everyone, I'm sure it will be a very competitive game and I'll be pleased with whoever wins. And we're very proud that Arlington will be the winner tonight. Exactly. Indeed. Thank you, sir. Of course. With that said, we'll get right into the Consent Agenda. We have the minutes of meetings from February 23rd, 2015. We have the appointment of new election workers, Gwendolyn Phelps and Marie Buckley. We have re-appointments to the Public Memorial Committee, Alexander Celeponte, Eugene O'Neill, Wilfred St. Martin, and Dennis Corbett. And we have a request for a one day all alcohol license for March 21st, 2015 at the Dearborn Academy for the Leslie Ellis School annual event to support financial assistance. We'll approve subject to all conditions that's set forth. We have a motion. Do we have a second? Second. We have a motion and a second. Is anyone in the audience here to speak on any of these agenda items? Seeing none. Further discussion from the board? Joe. I just note one item that the, in their letter to us, the Public Memorial Committee did note that they do have one additional vacancy to fill. So I wonder if we can arrange to advertise that and fill it. Maybe somebody here is interested in applying. Maybe he was watching at home, but it's a very important committee and it's been very active actually the last couple of years. Thank you. We have a motion and a second. All those in favor, please say aye. Aye. Thank you. We have appointments to first to the council on aging, Marjorie Vanderhill. Hey, Marjorie, please come up. Good evening. Good evening. How are you? Good, thank you. Can you please tell us a little bit about yourself why you want to serve in the committee? Well, I'm of the age that I need to know what services are available and what Arlington is offering our seniors. So, yes, that's my main reason. We have questions from the board. Dan. Move approval. Thank you. We have a motion. Second. Further discussion from the board? I'll just thank you very much. It's a very important role. Yes, it is. And I know the council has been very active as of late trying to document really the panoply of services and kind of the service need as our senior population grows. So, thank you very much for stepping up on that. Thank you. Okay. My pleasure. Are you gentlemen all set or is this real? Well, just what persuaded me most was the line in your letter as a younger senior. I keep claiming that anyway, as long as I can. As a younger select man, I support you up. You can borrow the term anytime you want. Thank you very much. Okay. Thank you, gentlemen. We have a motion. A second. All those in favor, please say aye. Aye. Opposed? Moving on. We have an appointment to the parking implementation and governance committee. Michael Gordon. Please come up. So, I will say a few words. I'm a young face. I'm very much a young person. I'm very much a young person who has a lot of respect for me and my office Adam and myself received several resumes for this position. And I do think Michael speaks for itself really impressive background in what this group will be doing. in the past, so I'm very happy to have that, and I'm very happy to recommend Michael's position. So, please tell us a little bit about yourself. Well, thank you for that. As you mentioned, I'm a student right now, interested in public transportation issues, and I was looking through the Nelson Maggard study, and I was interested in sort of how that can be implemented, and looking forward to being a part of that. I moved to Arlington back in August, and so looking forward to getting more involved with the community. Awesome. Thank you very much. Questions from the board? Dan? More just a comment. So, I was an undergraduate at MIT in 1991, when the undergraduate association created the SafeRide. Yes. And so I was reading the resume and re-envisioned MIT's SafeRide Shuttle Network. That's right. You're saying 23 years later it wasn't perfect? Yeah, so it's been a great service, and hopefully now it serves the MIT community a little bit better. Thank you very much for volunteering. Move approval. Thank you. Second. Motion to second, Joe. Yeah, I was actually just needling at the beginning of the meeting. I was needling Mr. Dunn about how MIT seems to run the whole town, but I'm going to be happy to approve you and then continue the trend. And thank you. Your resume is very impressive. I think I meet regularly with the merchants groups in the center, and this is their number one concern is fixing this parking. And I think this is probably one of the most important economic development steps that we're going to take. So thank you for contributing your expertise, and we look forward to the results of what the committee brings forward. Kevin. Thank you, Michael, very much for your willingness to serve. Do you consider yourself a junior senior or a senior junior? I'll go with the junior senior. Thank you very much for your willingness to serve. Thank you. But before I take a vote, I would like to note that I was, believe it or not, I was going through some old meetings and I came across the April 7th meeting last year. And so just about a year ago, and that's when we got the presentation from the parking group. So, you know, it's both time that we put these, start implementing these changes that they recommended. So I'm happy to direct them, Michael, with a motion, a second. All those in favor, please say aye. Aye. Opposed? Thank you. Moving on, licenses and permits. We have a request for a common victual in wine and malt license from Zoo's Garden, 166 Mass Ave. Hello. Hi. Can you please tell us a little bit about yourself and your business? My name is Lucy. Business will be my brother's and I will be the manager of the business. And it will be the health restaurant, basically like a vegan healthy restaurant, so Asian style food. Questions from the board? So no spare ribs on the menu? No. We have spare ribs, say 10 spare ribs, which is like wheat. You will enjoy it. I don't know, but I thank you for choosing Arlington. I wish you the best of luck. Move approval subject to conditions as set forth. Second. Thank you. Mr. Dunn. Thank you very much for coming into town. I'm really looking forward to it. I live up in that part of town and that's walking distance. So I enjoy, I'm sure I'm going to be stopping in to enjoy your restaurant. Thank you. I do just have, there's one element of this that I want to talk to you about a little bit, which is included in this is you're applying for the alcohol license as well. So two years ago, we had a problem where we had a series of restaurants who failed our alcohol inspections. They were serving underage people. And the most common thing, the theme that we saw with almost all of the people who did it was that they had, everyone who'd started the restaurant knew the rules, but then the new people that they'd hired six months or a year or two years later didn't know the rules. And those were the people who had made the mistake. So my question is, have you thought about that? And do you have a plan for a training course for your employees? Yeah, we request for the trainings and all the people who serve the alcohol has to be tip certified. So me, I have my bartender license and all the tips satisfied license too. Okay. So we will make sure none of these things will be happened. Good. I'm definitely, it isn't that I'm worried that you're going to make a mistake. I'm worried that in two years somebody new will. Yeah, I know. We will make sure to training all the new people. Okay. All the stuff. Thank you very much. You're welcome. Thank you. Thank you. I don't know what Mr. Dunn said. I mean, as coincidence would have it, I mean, it's actually the location where you're opening with one of the problems. Oh, really? Okay. So thank you for your attention to that. And I also appreciate that you're going in there and filling this space. I think your predecessor was just there. So I appreciate not seeing a vacant storefront sitting there for a long time. So thank you for all of your investments. Thank you. I know it's significant. Thank you. Thank you. Discussion from the crowd. Seeing none, we have a motion to second. I will just say it's nice to have new options in town too. I can't think of any restaurants that seem to be offering what you're offering. So it's always good to have a little bit of variety. And I wish you all the success that you can have. Thank you. So with a motion to second. All those in favor, please say aye. Aye. Thank you very much. Thank you. Thanks. And a discussion and adoption of the draft selections handbook parking policies and regulations. Mr. Grayley. Thank you very much, Mr. Chairman, continuing along. This is our attempt to pull together all of our parking regulations and policies. And so I move approval for the inclusion in our handbook. Thank you. We have a second. Second discussion, but I do have some comments. Yep. Great question. Thank you. That's it. There we go. Then Joe. Let's see. Oh, I was just, I was just looking for it just historically. I noticed that we do have so hard. We do have a provision here on overnight parking that if somebody's denied, they, they have to actually wait until the next year. And I'm just curious what the history was on, on that, with that waiting, the waiting period. Um, can you, do we? I'm sorry. It's page four. I'm having a hard time flipping back and forth. It's page four. It's section one overnight parking. Um, oh, I actually had two comments on that. Um, the first is that it, it says, um, that the Arlington police department, um, and the board of select men issue these, but actually it looks like it's actually the Arlington police department or the board of select men issue them depending on what the situation is, whether it's a nighttime or not. So it seems like a small clarifying change just to make sure there's no confusion. Somebody might read this and think that they have to go to both of us. So, sorry. There is a difference. Uh, the police provide a waiver. Correct. The select men provide the permit and it is small and maybe it should be bolded or something, but it, we're trying to get universal language so that. Exactly. And I think it's clear when you read further, it's clear at one. I'm sorry. I'm having a hard time flipping back and forth. I should have just printed this. It says overnight parking. Yeah. If you look at the end of the first paragraph, it says no vehicles should be allowed to park on a public street, et cetera, et cetera. Unless such parking is for good causes determined authorized by the Arlington police department and to the board of select men. I could see someone reading that and believing that they have to go to both places unless they read further down. Oh yeah. So you want the end to be an or as, you know, as the situation warrants. And I think we describe it well here. Um, let me just find my comment. I honestly, I took a lot of notes, but I just, uh, I'm having a hard time navigating here. Joe, would you like the hot copy? I can give you this one. Is it easy? It's my, it's my comments. Oh, okay. It's my comments. Um, I'll defer to other board members' comments while I try to dig this up. Um, I just have, I've got a couple that I think are not too controversial. Uh, oh wow. Do you know what, Joe? I just, I hit your navigation problem too. That was pretty awesome. You know what it is? It replaced the screen. It did. All right. Looks like we have to have a discussion on novice. I was doing pretty good until coming days. Interesting. Thank you everyone for being with us. Um, I know since we've implemented novice, um, we have had some technical difficulties and there is a bit of a learning curve, um, with it. So, um, I hope that we're not losing viewership. So I do have two quick ones if my colleagues are all right. Please. That sounds good to me. This is right up front. Um, Selectman's duties and responsibilities and other parking personnel. Bottom of the second paragraph, at present, the parking clerk receives a stipend for him or herself and any necessary assistant clerk staffing. While the treasurer maintains independence and all of his or her duties in such position, uh, it, it, uh, uh, it must be noted that as parking clerk, he or she reports to the board of Selectman. Um, I just would like to strike the treasurer cause it isn't always the treasurer. It's just the, uh, the parking, it must be, uh, just take out while the treasurer maintains independence in, in all of his or her duties in such a position. Uh, remove that just, it should be noted that as parking clerk reports directly to the board of Selectman. That's all. Uh, I don't really think it should necessarily, uh, you know, say treasurer. It's parking clerk reports. Are my others on page 11. Mr. Chairman. Yes. I just want to make sure that I, I, I get these changes correctly. Do you want to strike all references to the treasurer? For example, it says tradition in Arlington is that the town treasurer is appointed as parking clerk on a term concurrent with the treasurer position. Is that to remain? Yes. Okay. It's just, uh, after at present the parking clerk, just basically striking the while the treasurer maintains independence. Well, um, I almost would prefer the tradition in Arlington that the town treasurer is appointed as parking clerk on a term concurrent with the treasurer position. I'd almost rather that sentence be taken out and dropped and almost put in parentheses because we do have another section when we talked about the tradition of the appointment of the chairman of our board. Um, so I don't mind having that in there, but again, I just don't want it to be seen as, and I don't see recommending a change or a changing. I just want to separate the parking clerk is a separate position that reports directly to the board of select. And in all matters related to parking, we are the commissioners. So I just want to remove any confusion on that. Then my other last one I promise is on page 11. Actually, sorry, Mr. really, Mr. chairman. Um, so I'm, uh, I just, are you intending in your, in the new language to include mention here somewhere that the treasurer is traditionally the parking clerk or not? Not. Okay. I mean, not says it right there. Tradition has been that it's the treasure. So you want to put, you want to keep that? I want to keep it. I just want to take that sentence out of that paragraph and put it below that paragraph. Okay. Sorry, sorry. The tradition has been that the treasurer is the parking clerk. I have no problem with that. Okay. But I want it to be clear. It isn't, it isn't concurrent with the job of treasurer that you are the parking. Okay. Thank you. Thank you. I'm sorry if I made that more confusing. All right. On page 11, penalties, towing tickets, et cetera. Um, and Adam in particular, if I may, through you, Mr. chairman. Of course. It does only say obstructing private way. So the, the following violations failing to leave an unobstructed 10 foot lane of traffic, which would be for anyway. That would be obstructing the public or private way. So, you know, a couple of weeks ago, I went down the street and an oil truck was filling oil and was taken up the whole road. That would apply to that. I mean, because of snow banks, obviously. Yeah, they would be failing to leave an unobstructed 10 foot lane. All right. Well, then the only other thing is, um, I don't think, I think obstructing a private public way should be more of a penalty than $25. You think it should be more? Yeah, I think, you know, if we obstruct, if we park in a bus stop, it's $100. If at a hydrant, it's $100. I think a car that obstructs a public way or a truck, um, I think it should be more of a penalty. But what do my colleagues think? So I guess in the example that you gave with the oil truck and the snow bank, um, that, you know, I don't think that, that the person, um, in that oil truck deserves a greater ticket because, you know, I think the resident needs oil. And, you know, but he could have parked closer to a bank or in the driveway was open. Oh, I was under the impression that there was nowhere. Okay. I guess that would change it. Well, I don't want to point out that oil truck in just saying no, but I guess I think if it was, if it's a particularly egregious blocking of the public way, I would suspect that what's going to happen is a tow truck and that's going to be additional monetary action. But if it's, you know, somebody who's on one of our more narrow streets who's making it such that it's harder than it should be, but hasn't actually created a safety issue because, you know, the fire truck can get down there by going over. I'm inclined to leave it, but I don't feel particularly strongly about it. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. So I was under the impression and I may be mistaken that the board's staff was doing some research of surrounding communities for what similar violation amounts would be. And then once that research was done, maybe then more thorough advice could be given to the board on whether or not the amount should be changed. I can. Yes. These are actually the things that are on a ticket that the police use. So, I mean, we could definitely look into and change, you know. I just wanted to, as we're talking about this, and how many streets last week after the last big storm could a person actually park, and although we've had parking bans, but 10 foot of unobstructed, that's a pretty good size. I mean, that's really the primary reason why I've had the parking bans. Yeah. It's kind of awesome. It's a juicer. Okay. Let's wait for the research then. Yeah. Okay. I'm actually curious on this section how we reconcile. I think there might be a typo on the fourth violation. It says wheels over 12 feet from curb, but I think that means over 12 inches from curb. Having gotten a ticket for that in December, I know that it means 12 inches. Which I paid promptly, by the way. I do not accept that amendment. It's not in history tonight, please. So, I am trying to understand what the difference is between, I mean, it seems like you could actually be violating both of those at the same time. Could you not? Both of us. Restructing a public way and having your wheels 12 inches away. Sure. I guess it's good. I don't know. I don't know how that practically plays out. That might be something to ask though on the research, how they reconcile those. Is that a single violation? Is that two boxes, bro? Yeah. Do they check both? I think that's exactly what they do. Is it? Is it really? Do they check them? They check both boxes. Okay. Okay. That's good to know. But let's get back to so you yourself did park more than 12 feet from curb. About inches. Inches, sir. You had, we started with your changes. Yeah. Actually, I think I just have one administrative, one other administrative change. And then I had just a question about just the reasoning, not really recommended change on page seven under daytime parking. I think it says two hour. I think that should be plural. Two hours. I just had a question. We have a provision under overnight parking. That if there is a denial of an overnight parking request that somebody has to wait for a calendar year, I'm not necessarily proposing a change. I'm just wondering if there's history there that led to that, that provision. Is it to prevent the police department in our office from getting hammered with the same request from the same address over and over when a situation may not have been remediated during that time? I'm not sure. I think it's for that permit, though, similar to what was given on Swan Street and things like that, the overnight right in front of us. I don't know. If they're denied, we won't review it for another year. I was just curious. Otherwise, great. Thank you for the work on it. Thank you for the work. The way I would read that is I think that's talking about the fact there's only eight a year and that once you get your denial, because you've gone over eighth and you can't start until the next count. Gotcha. I think that's what that is. Gotcha. Okay. Does that make sense? Thank you. Okay. Dan. I've got to page four under waivers. Yes. We say, number one, expecting overnight guest, number two, disabled vehicle. And then number three, it says, I got confused. For a driveway out of service because it is occupied by a pod or dumpster or other building related circumstances, you need to contact the Inspectional Services Office at. And so is that to say that we need, if you block your own driveway with a dumpster, which, you know, I totally understand. You know, you're doing some demo work or whatever. You can't get a parking waiver without talking to Inspectional Services. Is that what that's trying to say? Usually the process is on you need a pod on or a dumpster permit. With that, they give you the ability to park on the street because it's safer to have the vehicle on the street versus the container. So they take care of it in one. And that's for private or public streets, even private streets. If you live on one, you need a dumpster permit. I would say that language probably needs a, I don't know about you all, but I did, I definitely did not successfully extract that. So do you think just adding something about, you need to contact Inspectional Services for a permit? Would that do it for you? I'm trying to think. I'm, I'm. The dumpster permit. I wonder whether we just make it number. So expecting an overnight, excuse me. Yes, Mr. Felix. Expecting an overnight guest disabled motor vehicle, driveway number three driveway out of service. Then under that, it should be noted if one has a part or a dumpster in their driveway that they need to contact Inspectional Services. In order to get the, yeah. Because, you know, your people are repaving their driveways. That's a legitimate reason it's out of use. Totally. I think your solution solves my concern, Mr. Really. Okay. Doug, you are right on that. Yeah. I think we've got it. Thank you. Yes. So I just have one more and it's much more general. So I'm obviously happy with the document. Just a couple of things here and there. There's no, if I, one of the ways I envision this document being used is it's going to be online and people who want to learn about these things. It's not just for future selection. It's also for the public. Right. And so one of the things I was thinking about is that when we often get requests that we then deny because they don't meet any of the hardship criteria. We didn't really talk about what our hardship criteria are or give any examples or, you know, attempt to do any education. And so I personally, like as is, I am happy to approve this document. The document's good. But I think it could be improved with some more with language about the measuring stick that we use. And I think that that will lead to, you know, I think if, if I were to, you know, I think I put myself in the shoes of some of the people who come before us and I read this document, I'd show up, I'd fill out the form, I'd come in and then I'd get shot down and it wouldn't be the most pleasant experience. So are you looking at the bottom of page five? I, it outlines, but maybe not to the degree you would like overnight on street parking permit by the Board of Selectmen for the following circumstances. Engineering impossibilities? Yeah, I think we should go. You said more than this. I think so, yeah. I think even a couple examples might go a long way. So, for example, on Eastern Ave. Yes, I mean, but I think we can talk. Not Eastern. Island Ave. We can talk about them as hypotheticals. You know, we can say this is one that we approved and this is one that we denied and, you know, give people, I think we'd have a, you know, more people would learn before they got here about what their chances are. I think that's probably worthwhile endeavor. Doug, you were putting this together for me. So, we can add that. I think so. I think maybe the most functional way to do it would be unless everyone's prepared to have that discussion about what exactly they'd like in there tonight would be to send Marianne and I some examples of things that you think are clearly out of bounds that have been, you know, things that have occurred at least in your memory. And Marianne and I can look through our sort of files to see if we can find some clear examples as well. But just so that we're developing a couple of examples, ones that you guys have in mind, and maybe we can find some that maybe aren't necessarily ones that are coming to the boards on right now and we can list a few examples of ones that are granted and denied. Sure, we can do that. So I think perhaps I still think that tonight we should, I mean, at the will of the board take a vote on this and then we'll come back and add, you know, an addendum to it at a further time. Yes, and that's how it goes. If I may, after this Doug's going to take it and he types up a final version of it. And then we have yet to do the one page on this because you remember we want the one page in the handbook and the more detail of this we come later in the handbook. So those two things have to be done in your notes. Yes, Mr. Really, if I could just build off that point. If the board recalls the process is is that we're developing the handbook. We are approving it so that we've got something that's a little bit more modern and concrete in areas either where there wasn't a written policy before or where there was, but we wanted to change it over a little bit. Once the whole handbook and all of these policies are completed, there will also be another opportunity. I believe Mr. Really's conception of this for us to look at Mr. Burns to look at this as a whole document and make sure that we've gone through it comprehensively and that it all fits together well too. So there'll be a couple of different opportunities but whether we do it at the next meeting or later on down the road, we can definitely include these examples. Thank you. Further discussion. If I may add one more point to Dan. Of course. You know, we want this online. We want the public to understand. We want this for new selectmen, but also Mary Ann, who helps us greatly put this all together, has pointed out how much help it will be for that office. Good. In terms of them having a nice clear, here's all the policies, procedures, licensing, et cetera, of the board of selectmen. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Thank you. Good discussion. Further changes. So I am, as Mr. Grayley said, I play a minor role in trying to come up with some ideas for this. But one thing that sticks out to me in this document is the amount of waivers that we give out. It's temporary, maximum of eight per calendar year. And, you know, I guess that for the right reasons, I don't, if there are legitimate reasons that why people, you know, really need this, I don't know if eight, I don't know if eight's enough, or I don't know, you know, I guess I want to find a way to increase it, but not increase, you know, but not allow for abuse of it. You know, so I'm thinking, you know, four days, what if someone say, grandparents want to come down for four days at Thanksgiving, four days at Christmas, and, you know, they, what about birthdays? You know, moving forward from that. So I'm thinking perhaps increasing that to 14 days. I think that just gives a little more leeway to, for individuals to, you know, not feel so handcuffed by eight days, which I don't think is quite, you know, too much time. So, any discussion I'm happy to take? Yeah, Dan? I'm curious what the town manager and the police think about the current, like, costs of enforcing this and what that change would be or not be. Frankly, I'd have to talk with the police to see what they would think. I don't know specifically, you know, how much more of an uptick in their work it would be if we went from eight to 14. But I think it's a fair consideration. And I'm also, I'm happy to wait, say how we're looking into the other issue, wait to add it, and at that point too, until we can get some further information. But I just think it's a way to kind of help out the residents and alleviate some concern. Yeah, I think it would be helpful, not just to get a cost picture, but just some other metrics. You know, how many are being issued? How many of those households are hitting the limit? That's really the key. I mean, how many are hitting the limit now and maybe running into denials? I will say that this, what made me think of it, is that I did get a call saying that people were hitting their limits. So, but yes, I'm happy to get some further information prior to. I'm sympathetic. We can do that. Yes, Mr. Green. Yeah, I agree with Stephen. But we literally have more exceptions than the rule in the town anymore. I don't believe it's possible for police to enforce what exists today. You know, we have handicapped. We have resident parking. We have one hour, two hours, 15 minutes. You know, there's one down in the east at the Gibbs. There's five different parking situations on that street alone. So anyhow, but I, I agree with you. We want to welcome people into this town. But those of you who served with me know, I feel, but the residents don't agree with me. So we put it on the ballot and 21 precincts favor keeping overnight parking. So we keep overnight parking. But the time has passed. I mean, it's just the time has passed. Amen. And I'm the old guy. But so anyhow, though, I agree with Stephen. But I thought we talked. We say 10. We said 14. I thought it was 14. Okay. I think we wanted to. But I agree with it. So, so we didn't present that to Corey or Stephen Gilligan, the 14. Oh, not that. No, I know we presented this to both of them. Yeah. No, but, you know, I can tell you from just being in the office, the public certainly doesn't think it is a good amount for them, whether, you know, whether it's for anniversaries, birthdays, or, you know, you know, just people coming over and staying period and on. So thank you. So any further discussion? Seeing none, we'll, we, so we will come back to this with a potential few more additions. Anyone in the audience want to discuss our selections? Yes. Come up to the microphone, please. Good evening, ma'am, gentlemen. My name is Phil Bates. I'm a resident of Cleveland Street. One aspect of the denial on page five says, you are denied. You cannot make another request until the next calendar year. It seems a little harsh, especially if you haven't used up the temporary maximum, you know, if you haven't used any and your first attempt is denied, you're cooked for the year. So maybe address the language in that, you know, allow for a possibility of an appeal or follow up with the police as to why you're denied. More importantly, you should be able to use the remaining number of permits overnight. Second, if I may, living on Cleveland Street, about four houses down from the Fox Library. It was pretty hellacious trying to get in and out of my driveway with the big storms we had. I certainly understand like everybody else, you know, driving and parking with eight foot snowbanks is certainly a challenge. But the parking ban that was in effect, it was very challenging, I think, for the police to enforce it. I regularly had to run out of my house, usually in slippers in a bathroom, waving at, you know, people go into the library and say, hey, you know, you can't park. There's a ban. Also you're blocking my driveway. And again, the most common response I got was, I had no idea that there was a ban. So I'm not sure what the right mixes of enforcement or awareness. I know there was one sign on Mass Ave. coming into East Arlington from Cambridge that said there was a ban, no parking on the side streets, but I don't think everybody had awareness about it. So despite the police's responsiveness and efforts to enforce, there was certainly a lot of hardship on my part as well as my neighbors along the street. To that end, if any of you had any hand in widening the end of the road after 11D calls from me to the police saying, please help us out. I thank you kindly for that. And I also would like to say, Chairman Bern, that the eight, you know, allowances for overnight park and I agree with you. That seems a little scant. I'm not sure what the right number is, but I certainly would recommend increasing that because, you know, you have a friend over and they have a few pops and they don't want to drive home. Hey, sorry guy. I've used all eight. Best of luck to you. You know, I think we'd all like to avoid that. So that's all I have to say. Thanks for hearing me out. Thank you very much. I will say with the so looking at it, it's because if you get a denial, it means that you're you've reached your limit. So that's why it says don't wait till the next calendar year. It's not saying that, you know, we think poorly of, you know, your request. It's that you hit that eight. So that's why you have to wait till the next calendar year. Okay. So I think, you know, adding a few more days might help out with that. Certainly. Of course. Yeah. Thank you. Oh, thank you. That's a good question, Dr. I just, I I just wanted to ask you a question. There's no one's drink in January. In other words, can I answer questions sir? Sir, please, gentlemen. So did you get the reverse 911 calls that explained that there was an overnight parking ban? I did not. But to be fair, I'm one of the disconnected generation. I don't have a house phone, just a cell phone. So that would, I've heard that, but I get mine on my cell phone too, as well as my house phone. So I wonder, so are you a renter, do you not own your property? I do rent, yes. Okay, I wonder, is that what it was? Yeah, but you can sign up. You can sign up. Okay. So where do you sign up on? On the town's website, there's a button to subscribe to emails, calls, the whole suite of communication from the town. Okay, thank you. The promise that might help. But your point is well taken and it's why we established the system. How many calls do you go out now, Adam, on? We sent out 21 in the past month. How much? 21 calls in the past month. 21, but to how many phones? 19,000. 19,000, yeah. So, anyhow. We're doing our best. Thank you county for your efforts. Thank you very much. Joe. Thank you, yeah. I mean, I'm like, my home explodes and beeps and rings and twitters and everything at the same time whenever one of these goes out. And I think a lot of people don't realize the ban is still on. It's not in the past tense. It's actually still in effect and driving around town, I think it did. Let's check yourselves. What's your address? And the other thing though, I did want to note, I think the gentleman, Mr. Bates, raises an interesting point. I think that in a situation like you outlined where somebody might be at a party, may not be safe to be driving, we don't want them on the roads. We have a public safety interest in not having them on the roads and for their own safety. However, our policy says that they have to actually have the request in by, I'm sorry, it's 10 p.m. I thought it's at 10 a.m. I didn't see them too well. All righty then, that seems interesting. Yes, Dan? I guess we've had a couple people get hung up on that sentence on page five about the denial. And given that we've had a couple different readers who have, even if you, once you think about it a little bit and it makes more sense, it's probably, we can massage it a little and make it easier to read on the first read. After you have received the denial, it is because you've reached your limit. It's the type of thing that I think if we tried to write it right now, we'd probably fail. But if we could just ask Doug too, I bet he can. Good point. Thank you. Would you like us to just strike it right out? Actually, that's on the website, the police website right now. And we'll work with them to have it out too because it seems like it is questionable. But what about it just being out striking it? Because if there are other sources that are gonna direct folks to inspectional services in order to get a permit for a dumpster or a pod, then that should take care of itself. I think it's part of what you're saying. No, I think we're talking, we're talking about the, I'm so sorry, I've got the wrong place in my notes. Sorry. We're on this now. Yeah, I'm sorry, the denial. I think we can clean it up. Yeah, if you could just clean it up, that might be all right. Clean it up, okay. Yeah, thank you. Further discussion on the handbook. Yeah, oh, can you come up to the microphone, please? Just seems the limit is the issue and not denial. Why not simply say if you've reached the limit of your applications, can't apply until next year. And is there an issue, it's confusing to me. Is there, are there other reasons for denial other than- It's generally, I think just that you've used too many under these circumstances. Thank you very much. I think that's wise. Yeah. Further discussion? Seeing none, further discussion from the board. We have a motion and a second. All those in favor, please say aye. Aye. Opposed. Thank you very much. And we'll come back to this in the future. I would like to thank Mr. Bates for bringing a computer and being an interactive follower of our meeting. That's not something that happens all the time. We're still checking your house though. Moving on, we have the town manager's evaluation. First, I'd like to thank my colleagues for filling this out and getting it back to me. And not more importantly, but perhaps in the circumstances, I really want to thank Karen Malloy and Hewan Resources. This is a, it's not an easy task, consolidating five different evaluations. And I think she does a tremendous job at it. And I know that it says that the chair and her work in conjunction, but most of this falls on her shoulders. And I am very thankful for all of the work that she's done on this. So that being said, I would just also like to note that I think our evaluations really across every category, Adam scored remarkably well. And I think that really shows the fine work that he does in our, how well of a job that this board thinks he does. And it really goes a long way. And I think this is a worthwhile practice. One that, you know, while we think that Adam does do a tremendous job, we do also offer ways to improve. And I think that is important to note too. So that being said, I need discussion from the board. Joe. Yeah, I just wanted to know, just for people who are watching, might be wondering we have a number of sections here that we do rate the manager on personal characteristics, professionalism, public relations, communication, board support and relations, community leadership, organizational leadership, personnel management, financial management, playing organization, overall score. And on no category did the manager get less than 4.31 and most of them were well up in the 4.7, 4.8, 4.9 range. And it's out of five. So that's pretty good. And it is out of five and we don't consult on these. These are all separately sent in. I do, I agree Ms. Malloy does a fabulous job of consolidating these into one list. And I'll just say, Adam killed me for saying this, but last week on Thursday, he very apologetically sent out a note saying that he was deathly ill and he just could not come into work, but he'd be checking email at home to which my immediate reply was, what's wrong? You couldn't make it to the phone booth. Get your cape. And back to work the next day. And back to work the next day. So thank you very much and thank you, Mr. Chairman, for all of the work on this as well. Thank you. Further discussion on the board. Dan. First of all, I move adoption of this as our review of the town manager. I wanna say I'm very, continue to be delighted with Adam's performance and I think that's reflected in both my individual comments and in the group comments. And I think that we as a town are really lucky to have him and I hope we keep him around for a really long time. I'd also like to say that I think that we as a board are doing, I'm proud of us for sticking to this and continuing this process of doing these formal reviews and giving this feedback because I think that it's really important. It's easy when someone is doing a good job, but it's even more important when they're not. And so we're training ourselves for some future day when things aren't working quite so well. Thank you, Ken. Kevin. Yeah, Arlington since 1952 when the town manager came in to approval by the voters. We've had six town managers and I've served with five of them and the five I've served with, he's the finest. Excellent work. Thank you very much. And Marquis is on the phone right now. Right now. Those of us who knew Donald would be, I'm the dean of town managers in Massachusetts. And he was a great one as well. We've been very blessed. Thank you Mr. Chairman. I would like to ask you Adam maybe to kind of just explain a little bit about what this means to you, how you use it and along those lines. Absolutely. Thank you Mr. Chairman. So to start, I have to thank all the board members. This is not a short, quick process. I know I provide a lot of information and it's a pretty detailed document that you go through. So I really do appreciate that you all take the time to provide such thoughtful feedback. You know, on the positive side, you know, like any human hearing positive feedback about the work that you're doing is very, you know, motivating and inspiring. So it is nice to have that regular check-in. And then just on the sort of, on the business side of it, having this process in place every year where tracking the goals that we set in the summer, being able to put on paper where we are in terms of meeting those goals, providing that to you, it provides me an invaluable sort of just mental check to make sure that we're continually hitting what we should be hitting and meeting our benchmarks. And then any, even remarks that are constructively or, you know, remarks in terms of constructive criticism. I, since the first year we started this, I focus on them. I try to find a way to address those concerns and they're very important to me because we don't necessarily always have the ability to have a direct conversation about, you know, this is an issue I think you should be working on and this provides that opportunity. So I think it's an incredible tool for us to use. I'm glad we've stuck with it as well. And again, thank you to the board for taking the time to do it. Thank you very much. As their discussion from the crowd, seeing none, we have a motion to adopt. Do we have a second? Second. We have a motion and a second. All those in favor, please say aye. Aye. Opposed. Thank you very much. I'm going to move agenda item 10 to after the final votes and comments. That's the discussion of future board meetings. So moving into warrant article hearings. Just a few notes before we get started. You know, as I stated at our last meeting for this year's hearing process, going to ask that each presenter makes their presentation within 15 minutes at the 12 minute mark. I will inform the speaker of the time and ask you to begin your concluding remarks. Following your presentation, the board will be able to ask questions and have a discussion. At the conclusion of the board's discussion, any other member of the audience who would like to comment will have five minutes to make their remarks, which will be followed by a discussion as well. So we're just trying to have a little bit more structured process. So, and I appreciate your cooperation. I will note that as well. And that being said, we'll get right into this with article eight, a bylaw amendment. Oh. Know what? I have. Seven, seven. Sorry, I'm looking at. Oh yes, I was at the wrong one. Article seven, zoning bylaw amendment regulation of posted event notices. I believe Christian's here. Thank you. Sorry, I was looking at final votes and comments there. I'm confused myself. So thank you very much. My name is Christian Klein. I'm a resident of Arlington time meeting member precinct 10. I also want to mention that I'm a member of the zoning board of appeals and a board member of the Friends and Robins Farm Park, but I'm not speaking on behalf of either of those groups this evening. So the issue that came up is citizens and nonprofit groups have messages that are of public interest to the town. And the traditional way that people get these most messages out is they make a poster and they put it up on the local telephone pole. They make a flyer. They distribute the flyers around. And lo and behold, that's illegal. It's a violation of the zoning bylaw, which none of us had really checked very carefully. And this came up partially because there was a something that had come before the zoning board of appeals, looking for from the recreation department and they were hoping to establish a policy that would allow them to sort of filter all these messages that get put up on their property. And it turns out that there is no mechanism to allow that to happen. And there are lots of groups in towns that have important messages that we sort of feel should have a venue other than just being on the internet or the lucky chance that we can rent the sign in front of town hall or that we can create a fleet of banners to go somewhere down further on Mass Ave. I noticed on my way in the legal women voters have a nice little sign right next to the town sign. I'm not sure that meets the zoning bylaws. So what should we do about this? So I had spoken with Joe Connolly from recreation. Friends of Robbins Farm Park is a group that uses signs to advertise their events. I also spent several meetings with Mr. Heim trying to come up with a policy, try to understand exactly what the town bylaws are. And so that's where the genesis of the proposal that I've made. So the main focus of this is to sort of define what these notices are and how they differ from a sign and then move them out of the zoning bylaw into the general bylaws. So that enforcement is not through the building department but it's through the board of selectment, through the police department where there's an enforcement mechanism already in place for signs. For some reason there's some duplication between the two but we'll sort of try to move it in that direction. So last week I appeared before the Arlington Redevelopment Board to discuss the portions that would be involved in the zoning bylaws. And the only there I believe that that's been distributed as well. And so basically we created a definition for what a notice would be, that it's a temporary sign erected by a person or a non-profit organization for the purpose of advertising an individual yard sale, public event, or lost pet. And then when you go into the section on signs it basically says don't look here anymore, go look in the general bylaws. And that's what brings me here this evening. Excuse me. So the portion that would appear in the general bylaws states that a sign erected by a person, non-profit organization for the purpose of advertising an individual yard sale, public event, or lost pet are hereby referred to as notices and are exempt from the provisions of this article of the town bylaws so long as they abide by the following provisions. And this section here which is article one from title five has to do with billboards and signs and its restrictions on use. And so the exemptions would be that a notice has to be constructed of a resilient material and must be erected in a way that is not dangerous to the general public. Notices that are loose or damaged must be removed or replaced by the sponsoring person or organization. Then there are the next two sections. There is a change that the ARB had made that I believe came in the recommendation that's before you. We had asked that notices not be erected more than 14 days before a yard sale or event and must be removed no more than two days after. The recommendation from the ARB was to change the 14 days to seven. Our recommendation had been that notices cannot exceed 10 square feet in area. Notices must include the name of the sponsoring person or organization, the date of the yard sale or event and a contact phone number or email address. And it also noted that registered trademarks may not occupy more than 10% of the notice area. The recommendation for the ARB was that the 10 square feet be reduced to six. We also noted that they can't be placed on trees. They can't put them on the private property without the consent of the property owner. Notices cannot be placed on public property without written approval from the Board of Selectment. So this would include any areas in town that are under your jurisdiction. Town departments may establish policies for the display of notices on public property under their jurisdiction. Notices erected under such policies do not require separate approval from the Board of Selectment. The attempt there is to give the recreation department the leeway to police items and to come up with a policy that works for them. And then section G notices cannot be erected in a way that limits visibility at corners or along public and private ways. So a couple of things that had been questioned is initially the private property, the question comes telephone poles. Can we put them on telephone poles? And so I had corresponded with a couple, with Mr. Dunn and Mr. Curill. And I did get in touch with Verizon and spoke with the joint youth gentlemen in Boston. And I was shocked that they actually don't have an issue with posting of signs on their poles. The, what I had brought it to them as my concerns, what I anticipated their concerns would be was one, the safety of their workers. And number two, the damage to the poles. They assured me that if it was an issue for their workers, they would remove the signs. And that, you know, it's a little long as most of the signs are being put up either with staples or with screws and they're being pulled out. You know, it's not causing detriment if you're not, you know, coming in with, you know, nail guns and whatever, trying to attach things. So that was their, that was his primary concern, was as long as the poles are not being damaged, they're okay with that. And then on the two sections that the, that the redevelopment board felt to change, we feel kind of strongly that there's a, the specific reasons for it. The 14 days is really because a lot of the public events are gonna involve parking. When you have a, if you're having a public event at Robin's farm, say it's July 4th, telling people a week ahead that there's gonna be no parking within six blocks because everyone's coming to Robin's farm, it's better if the longer we can put that out. So we think that two weeks is a reasonable time period for that purpose. And as far as the sign size, the six square feet sounds big, but when you're in a car, it's really not that large. And so we think that allowing a larger sign size helps us, would help groups like Robin's farm to do that. It also, the original recommendation from recreation department was also looking for a larger sign size because they have a lot of response groups that are doing the relay for life and things like that that are looking for a larger sign area. And so that's the presentation we're putting forward tonight. There was also touched on briefly just the issue of how this is gonna come up at town meeting because it is a change to both the general bylaws and to the zoning bylaw. And the recommendation that I would like to see from the moderator is to have it as a single element because if it does come up as two different parts, it becomes kind of quirky if one section gets approved and the other section doesn't. So I'm gonna try to impress upon him that and hopefully it will occur in that fashion. Thank you very much. Thank you. I would like to say thank you for all your like work on this. It seems like you had quite a few discussions with quite a few parties. And I think that will help, certainly helps process go smoother. So thank you. Mr. Grayley. So tell me what this means for political law and signs. Chris, sorry, you have to stand up. This doesn't specifically address political law and signs. Those are covered already under the zoning bylaw and they would not be affected. You're sure? I believe so. Okay. Mr. Grayley, I can also confirm that generally political law and signs have been treated differently, both historically and legally, by various town bodies. But I've been told they were illegal. That's why I would actually look into that and wonder whether because my only issue is I'm concerned about, even though I had 300 signs out last time I ran, by the way, but we passed three overrides, we passed four debt exclusions and could not have done that without lawn signs. So I think they should be included in this or I didn't realize they were already covered. I was told they were not. So, but I'm no expert on this at all. I just broke the law 300 times the last time I ran if I did. So, but I would strongly urge for longer than 14 days or at least 14 days, not cutting back to seven. If indeed, political signs come under this, but to notify residents of elections at least a month in advance, I feel, and I mean four overrides, four debt exclusions, all the liquor questions, anything that there's campaigns for out there. So anyhow, but I support this 100% and thank you for your work on it. Thank you very much. So just in response, if this, you know, I understand the need for, you know, or why candidates or why, you know, override questions, et cetera would wanna be out there for longer than seven days, but does a yard sale need to be out there for longer than seven days? You know, I think that there's, you know, different fashions. And I do think that I didn't, I was unaware that the political lawn signs were, you know, were illegal before that. I didn't think they were. So I would, I don't, I hope, I guess I wasn't, I didn't come into this, you know, when I read this, I wasn't thinking of the ramifications that they would have on that, because I didn't think that they came under this. That's why I asked the question, yes. Okay, thanks. I just wanted to be clear on that. Joe. Thank you very much. Thank you, Mr. Klein. Full disclosure, I did, I met with Mr. Klein and discussed this, December, was it, Christian? Or November or something like that, and he actually asked me to sign his petition to put it on the warrant. I thought it was an important discussion, so I did do so, but there's been a lot of legwork done since that time, and I appreciate it. I think the intent here is really around public property, and we know that political science can't go on public property anyway, you slice it, so I mean, I'd like the council to confirm that. I always understood that there was a First Amendment issue, too, with political science that kind of put them under another umbrella. I think this is very important, I think this is kind of a continuation of some of the work that this board did about two years ago, we adopted policies around banners off of light poles, and we took some time and some discussion to try to codify this. I like the fact that this is put in here, that it actually creates a framework, and on the one hand is permissive in making it possible for all of the many organizations that do blood drives, or the other friends in Robbins Farm Park, or do so much good work in town to get their word out, and at the same time, enforces some kind of sign hygiene to make sure that we don't become cluttered. And to my mind, another real advantage to this is that we're not burdening the inspectional services with a policing function, which is really not something that is really within their realm. I don't think it's something they like to do. They have to go out and be policing signs on the sidewalks. I think it is more appropriately brought before this board. So I like all of the safeguards you have in here. I did have some questions. You said that there had been changes with the redevelopment board, and I see member of the redevelopment board in planning here, and I also, some other folks who had advocated for this around the size. Do you have any examples of what the size are, and are any of the organizations here, would they be impacted by the smaller size in the? Yeah, so Tony Vogel, the president of Friends of Robin's Farm Park is gonna address this, his dress size, he does have some samples too. Oh, that's what those are, but that's what those are. Oh, okay. That was new artwork for the walls. Okay. Would it be appropriate to ask that those to be shown as part of answering the question? Yeah, maybe, I was thinking that perhaps we'd do the question and answer with Christian first, and then forward just how the process is laid out. Okay. Well, thank you. Thank you for all of the groundwork on this. I think also in the area of hygiene, because I think a number of us have gotten calls about signed clutter on poles and such, requiring the contact information, really key, really key, so that there is a chain of responsibility there. So thank you for the groundwork. It seems like you've thought about just about all of the angles here. Yeah. So what do you see as the practical impact of this change? Is it, do you expect that there's gonna be different behavior in what we see, or is it more making a lot of what we see conform to the law? Partially, for me it sort of came from, there have been a couple of instances in town where there's the policy and there's what the rules are and then there's what everybody does. Yeah. And I feel strongly that if the public behavior is working in a certain way, then either there's something wrong with the by-law stating it the way it is, and that maybe we should try to find a common ground. And so that was really the intent of where this came from. It's not an attempt to try to open it up and create sort of a free-for-all, but it's to sort of try to take the best of what we have currently, which is that you can, as you drive around town, you can find out what's going on and get a sense of what's going on is, oh, the Feast of the East, I totally forgot about that, that's coming up. So you can do those kinds of things, but by the same token, it is stating you can't put a sign up for seven months, advertising something. You can't put up a sign and then forget about it and it just sort of slowly molders away on the post. Or that you come across a sign, you have no idea who it's from or why it's there or something like that. So it's to try to address what I see as sort of the negative aspects of what we have at the moment where it's very undefined as to what you do if you come across a sign. I certainly had no idea before looking into this that I was supposed to call the building department, which makes it nice because you can't contact them during the weekend so you can't have your signs taken down on the weekend, but it just seems kind of a silly thing. So that was more the impetus of where it comes from, is to try to preserve the good aspects of what we have and try to limit what are possible negatives. Thank you. You're welcome. I just have a couple of initial comments. One is that, first on political signs, I believe I had also heard at some point that political signs were against rules, but I had considered them to be just a complete dead letter on First Amendment issues and completely unenforceable and frankly, if the town ever tried to take down one of my signs, I would look forward to that battle. That would be a fun one, but so I certainly think that we'd be delighted if our bylaws complied with the First Amendment, but I have very strong opinions on what should be permitted in terms of political speech. My second thought is that I definitely, like all of us, do get complaints about unsightly signs on telephone poles and the signal controllers and things like that. And I'm sympathetic to them, but I also end up ranking them relatively low in my priority just because of, you know, what town employees list is so short that the next thing on it is cleaning up his telephone poles. And so in some ways, this change is, I like it because it puts it in an apartment that is probably better equipped, but at the same time, I would be surprised if, you know, the town manager and the police chief said, yes, that's gonna be something that's gonna be high on our enforcement list. One of the things I was thinking about even just now though is I wonder if one of the ways to do this is to put the enforcement in the hands of things like business districts. So for instance, if in the heights, you know, we've got a bunch of ugly stuff on those poles and we have a business organization there, what if we, you know, give them license to keep the poles clean? And so I guess in that context, this is good because it gives guidelines for how that can happen. I can think of at least one town meeting member who frequents our meetings, who is never gonna vote for this because he wants his poles clean at all times. So I look forward to it. I haven't really settled on any particular direction. Those are my thoughts so far. Okay, thank you. I guess I have a couple of thoughts and kind of one, I do like it being removed from the Zoning Bylaw and I think that this is an appropriate venue, our office. When we do look at written approval from the Board of Selectmen, I think that it should probably be written approval from the Board Administrator. I think that kind of doing this is an administrative task and if we are looking at, you know, if it's for, you know, town groups and nonprofits, I'm comfortable with that being done strictly through our office. And, you know, I don't think that every person who wants to put a sign up needs to come for the Board being handled in that route. Two, I did put some thought into the enforcement of this and if it is being done administratively through our office, I think one way that we might be able to actually stick to the nine days that they're allowed to be out there is by say attaching a $20 refundable charge with this when you do come to our office and after the nine days, if you have in fact taken the sign down, you can then have your $20 back and I think that might be a nice way to, you know, help out to make sure that people are abiding by this law but also, you know, penalizing those who don't. So that's kind of what I'm thinking right now. So that being said, further discussion from the Board. Yes, Mr. Chair. Did you talk to Marianne in our office about that? I didn't actually. Okay, no, I'm just curious. Yeah, sorry. No, you normally would. Yeah. May I ask through your service? Any reaction to that, Marianne? Road trip. You know, we'd have to check it, I guess, you know. It would definitely make some people very happy that come into the office that are upset with the polls and all. It could just be, it could be difficult, you know, at times to take care of that. I'd have to give it one thought. I hadn't thought about that until tonight but I understand on, you know, the ability to penalize, I think, you know, for taking it down. We'd keep it cleaner. So, you know, I also want to ask, does this cover sandwich boards? You know what I mean? Like sometimes on the parking island at Mass Ave and Pleasant Street, there's four or five sandwich board ads. That section of property, I believe, is the town's and so therefore it would be public property and it would be under the board's jurisdiction to either grant or not grant permission to use that public. Sometimes that place gets messy with the whole thing. Oh, absolutely. I did just, I beg your pardon. On the enforcement question, the section of the bylaws that it would be going, that this would be going into does already have an enforcement provision in it which allows for a fine of not more than $100 or if a sign is left for more than 20 days by a punishment of not more than $500. But just to Dan also on that point, this was years ago as told, there's no, it's actually considered illegal but same thing but it's a First Amendment right of free speech so. But I would be curious because if it's not covered, I think this would be a place to put it in there. Thank you. Sorry, yeah, size and that kind of thing. Mr. Chairman, may I? Yeah, please. I'd be happy to give the board a more detailed review of that specific question either in advance of the votes and comments or concurrent with the votes and comments on this particular issue. But it has been, it's my understanding that there hasn't been any, that for the most part, Arlington's had a fairly consistent position on the issue of political science and that we have not taken the position that the zoning by-laws would forbid people from putting out political signs although they're not specifically, and I apologize if I'm not getting this correct, I don't believe they're specifically addressed in the zoning by-laws anywhere by name. And that may be the case in other communities but I don't know that just because other communities have a zoning by-law about political signs that that actually changes the status of the law with respect to allowing people or not allowing people to putting out political signs to Mr. Dunn's point. Sir? Yes. So I don't wanna add to your work, Doug but there are people who have certainly put political signs on telephone polls. Right. No question about that. So I just wanna know where they're covered but I don't want you to have to do a lot of work on it. If I can just add one or two more things. From my perspective, the issue with respect to Verizon remains a little bit more complicated because they can represent that now but they can always change their mind later because they're their polls. I mean, it's an important thing to know that this is the position that Verizon is taking right now but Verizon could always change their mind because the point of the discussion around telephone polls or any polls that are owned by Verizon, Insta or whoever is that they're their polls and therefore in theory people would need permission from them not necessarily the town to put something on their poll. What this bylaw proposed amendment accomplishes in my view is, A, rewards people who wanna follow the rules and B, makes the current law that both the board and the ARB and other folks are operating under more congruous with one another because right now there's definitely some some conflict between what would appear to be in the bylaws and the town bylaws and the zoning bylaws and it's an important thing to rectify for its own sake in addition to the benefits I think that Mr. Klein has talked about and Mr. Dines has inquired about and all of you have mentioned. Thank you very much. Thank you. A couple points that Mr. Grayley mentioned the sandwich boards. I'll say that in my early discussions with Mr. Klein I noted to him that I think we have kind of a disconnect between what we have on the books and what's happening also with private sandwich boards outside of a lot of businesses and a lot of them feel that it's vital to their advertising and such. It's not really enforceable right now what we have. I'd suggest it may be including that into here but I think after discussing it we both agreed that that's biting off an awful lot and it would be a good thing to see how the course of this discussion goes and the town meeting and potentially consider that in the future taking up the sandwich board question for private businesses and maybe whether certain something should be allowed by right in the future. That's one reason we didn't go that way. I was curious though and I don't know whether to direct this to council or Mr. Klein or to my board, my fellow board members for your opinions. Since I've been on the board I would say we've had three different things that we've considered that are kind of similar in this vein and we've handled each of them a little bit differently. So the first one I mentioned was the banner policy for the Light Pulse which incidentally initially included sandwich boards in it. We actually struck that we weren't able to reach agreement on that. We actually initiated that autonomously as a policy of this board and I think Ms. Rice had assisted us with that and we just did it. We initiated the policy, we just did it. It didn't require town meeting change. I understand with this we would need to make the zoning change to kind of make the switch. The second that was kind of similar was when we did street performance last year which also incidentally included some signage dimensions in what we adopted. But the way we did that was we adopted the bylaw change with a basic skeleton but then the bylaw are actually deferred to the board to adopt implementing regulations so that we had the flexibility if we found that something wasn't working that this board would be able to change our regulations. What's proposed here tonight in the memo we have is that we actually adopt the whole thing in the bylaw which means if ever we wanted to tweak the size or we wanted to tweak the durations or whatnot we'd have to go back to town meeting on that where there is a piece of this that really feels a lot like some of the types of policies we've been discussing in the handbook all of these months. So I'm wondering if there was any discussion about which way to go on that whether it really is, you feel it really is necessary to enshrine all of these parameters directly within the general bylaws or whether just making reference to the board of selectmen and our regulatory authority and our ability to adopt policies and regulations was considered whereby we could potentially adopt a policy that pretty much reflects what's here but we would have the flexibility if it didn't work. So that's kind of the question I have. I'd like to address that but if Mr. Klein wants to first. I didn't consider doing it that way. Partially I think from my perspective it was more, I thought it was important to be very clear especially on the floor of town meeting. I think to say that we would like to make this change and where we don't know what the new parameters are gonna be I thought would not fly at town meeting. So that was my reasoning for trying to be as explicit as I could in the rules. Mr. Cureau from my perspective part of what we're talking about here is we're all talking about signs but signs has a specific legal meaning in different contexts when we're talking about different things. So in the zoning bylaws they've defined signs of a certain way. What Mr. Klein's amendment to the zoning bylaws and amendment to the town bylaws has done is defined notices as a very specific thing and defined a set of governing rules for notices. Whether or not that is properly includes everything that the Board of Selectment has jurisdiction over is a kind of complicated question in the sense that for example I would think that sandwich board signs are kind of what this is directed towards. So that when someone right now applies to have a sandwich board sign put out on town property it's appropriate to come here because you're the body that governs public ways. And the town bylaws kind of address billboards and things in a slightly different way but it's still considered a type of signage. But that same sandwich board sign right now is probably disallowed by the zoning bylaws. And so what Mr. Klein has done here has developed a sub definition of signage that is relatively specific but not so limiting that I think that it's unworkable. So could it include one type of banner that you might want to put out on a baseball field? Sure. Would it include the banners that go on the town? Light poles. Light poles. I don't know that that would really be considered as the same type of signage either under the zoning bylaws or under this definition of notices because they're not temporary in quite the same way and they're not really oriented in the same way that a sandwich board sign would be. Does that make sense? Yeah, Mr. Chair, may I? I want to take another crack at it. Yeah, I'm not arguing that. I mean, I understand we have to explicitly change the zoning bylaw and I understand that the general bylaws would have to contain the new definition of notices. My question is just about the specific provisions that are enumerated here, whether it is feasible and appropriate for us to adopt those as regulation of policy of the board and have this general bylaw include the definition of what is regulated but with reference to the board's authority to regulate and to make the decisions of how to regulate. Kevin, versus it being a bylaw, is that your point, Joe? Why don't we? Well, there would be a bylaw but just containing the definitions but probably A through G wouldn't be here. There would be reference saying this regulation is subject to the authority of the Board of Selectments subject to policies adopted by the board. Presumably then, we would meet after the bylaw was adopted. We would consider implementing regulations which would probably look an awful lot or identical to what we have in front of us here. The difference being we would then have the ability if something wasn't working out to go back and change that. And I think that what we did, for example, with street performance because we did it that way when we went into town meeting, I think that we put forward a model regulation which we hadn't adopted yet but we put forward a model regulation to give town meeting an idea of what we were thinking and where our head was at but we wanted to retain the ability to make changes if necessary. And it feels more flexible to me. I like that idea quite a lot. Dan. So I like that principle but I think that in this case, we've already got it relatively as slim as we can get it. And so I don't know. So with them, particularly the Busker one, it had things like amplification and sound rules and stuff like that. And this one just doesn't have that level of detail that is worthy of separating out. But I mean, if there's a way to cleave it that I don't see, I'd be in favor of it. I have a separate question point. So Doug and Christian, if I read, we've got a memo in our packet from Carol Kowalski from talking about the ARB's vote on the memo stated March 4th. And it appears that the ARB has made a proposed vote which section B is amending our section 703 general regulations by adding item blah, blah, blah, which is the same language as we're considering now. So is it your understanding that if we move forward and the ARB move forward, we're gonna be putting the same language in both places or is there something here that I'm missing? Essentially, this and I would ask that the representative from the ARB could address this as well. Essentially, my understanding at the meeting was that the portions that fall under the zoning bylaw specifically are under the ARB's jurisdiction and the portions that fall under the general bylaws are gonna be under the Board of Selectments review. But there were points that came up at the meeting that they felt that they had concerns about the language that was gonna be put forward before the Board of Selectment. And so the ARB had asked to essentially, they basically made recommendations to the language that I had originally proposed based on their discussions last week if I'm answering your question appropriately. Yeah, I'm in trouble on this one, Steve. I don't know. Can you provide some insight to this? Yes, please. Good evening, Mr. Chairman and members of the Board. I'm Bruce Fitzsimons with the Redevelopment Board. And Mr. Klein is absolutely right. This is an interesting type of warrant article that changes both the zoning bylaw and the general bylaw. And we wanted to give all due respect and deference to your Board to do what you will with the general bylaw. Our vote is really only with adding the new definition of notices to the zoning bylaw and then accepting out notices where it appears in the main part of the zoning bylaw. In the course of our conversation with the proponent, members of the Board did have some concerns about how the notices section might be adopted. And that was the reason for our concern about the size of the notice and the length of time that it could stay up. And to Mr. Currow's question, I think part of the difficulty that we wrestled with is the different types of notices that are all in the same article. So to us, a lost pet notice, it makes sense that that could stay up for a considerable period of time. An event, you certainly wanna get the word out for what's going on with the Friends of Robin's Farm or Shakespeare in the Park or something like that. So again, a longer time period would seem appropriate. But a garage sale two weeks, in my view, seemed excessive. And then with respect to the sign size, again, I think it depends where you put it. I can't imagine putting a 10 square foot sign on a telephone pole without some elaborate system to rig it in place, but in another location, that might work. Thank you very much, Chris. Yes. Just to close out this particular issue. The ARB's recommendation with respect to an amendment of the town bylaw is just basically a recommendation. In other words, the ARB's vote with respect to what it has jurisdiction to vote on cannot be changed by this board. But this board could certainly change the parameters of the recommended vote with respect to the seven days or the six square feet versus 10 square feet. In the model that I prepared for you as just an example of the discussion that might take place here, I included the ARB's recommended language with the purpose of consistency with the understanding that Mr. Klein would advocate for his position. But the amendment to the town bylaws falls squarely under this body's jurisdiction and whether or not, and it doesn't really actually change whether or not we have a single vote or two votes. In other words, we can have a single vote where this body disagrees with the ARB's recommendation with respect to how big it should be and how long they should be up there. The only thing that this body can't do is change the ARB's part of the vote. Yes, so I definitely understand that we can't change the ARB's recommendation, but just hypothetically, let's say that we think it should be 14 days. We make a recommended vote that's 14 days. And so then, under the same article, we have one recommendation from the Board of Selectment to make change the general bylaws to be 14 days. I'm sorry. Have I already run aground, or am I? So what will be, while the ARB will generate their own report, what will end up happening and just will be a little bit, we'll just have to logistically figure it out with the moderator, but while the recommendation will be their recommendation and your recommendation will be your recommendation, the actual vote itself that will be before a town meeting will be the part as basically passed by the ARB with respect to the zoning and the part as passed by the Board of Selectment with respect to the town bylaws. So we could easily, I can easily see where those two recommendations will be incompatible. And they can be debated, but I guess I'm not seeing. So if I'm the moderator, I look at this and I say, I can't foot forward both things. You have to reconcile them into a single, yeah. May I take a shot? Yeah, I think so. So if I'm understanding it right, the ARB's vote stops at Q. So section Q recommended. So if you're looking at the second page of Carol Kowalski's memo. Oh, okay. So the only thing they're actually taking a vote on offering to town meeting stops at Q. Okay. Because that's where their jurisdiction ends. And then it's the Board of Selectment voting for everything below that as an amendment to the town bylaw. So there can't be incompatibility, I think in reverse to what you're saying, because what you vote on is what you vote on. The ARB may not agree on what you're voting on, but it is solely what you're putting forth as the Board of Selectment. Thank you, Adam got it. And let me just say it again in a different way. So the ARB's recommendation is first to change the zoning bylaws in Q. And second is to change the general bylaws in J. And my confusion was that I thought that J was part of the zoning bylaws. That was where I was confused. All right, thank you. I apologize. Just to wrap this up. I think the ARB is allowed to know their position if you guys disagree. But when it's before the town moderator, even if there's that disagreement, the actual vote will be as the ARB approve the ARB's piece and as the Board of Selectment approve the Board of Selectment's piece if this body chooses to move for favorable action. Joe. Mr. Chair, I would like to move that we proceed with favorable action on the proposal but with the construction as I've suggested and request that the Town Council for our consideration actually segment the vote on the general bylaws such that it has reference to regulations to be adopted by this Board and that he also prepare a draft regulation which reflects what is here in the proposed recommended vote for the signed bylaw but do that in the form of regulation for this Board to adopt and that we then consider, again as we did, I believe we did last year with street performance that we add that to our, should we adopt that? Should we vote to adopt that? That we add that as appendix material in our report that this is what we intend to use as our starting point when we consider implementing regulations. Is that clear? I know it's a long, I think, you know where I'm going with this, right? I think, yep. So I might if I try to paraphrase, please. So, I just babbled. So I think that, in correct me if I'm wrong, Joe's motion is that we will support this warrant article and basically have it play out exactly how last year's article played out that you referenced. Correct. And that in the interest of giving town meeting the opportunity to see what we are thinking, which is, to my mind, what I'm thinking really reflects what's here. I mean, we may have some discussion on size that we include a draft regulation that we'll use as a starting point if town meeting votes to give us the authority to adopt that. Thank you. There's a motion? Second. Motion to second. Any further questions for Christian? No. Well, we're not, we're going to get to you after Christian. I'm all set. Thank you. Can I just, I want to make clear that there is a limitation on that. And the limitation is that those regulations are going to have to be consistent with the, with the zoning bylaws. In other words, they cannot go further than the zoning bylaws will allow them to with respect to these notices. Okay. And so what I would, and what I would basically read Mr. Cure's motion is saying is basically if you're looking at J, that it would say, end our exempt from the present provisions of this article of the town bylaws, subject to the quote notices regulations of the Board of Selectment or something to that effect. Correct. Thank you. I just have a quick question for council. So the, the section in the zoning bylaw that basically kicks the notices out of zoning and puts it into the general bylaws as notices and compliance with title five, article one of the town bylaws are allowed in any district. Do you see any issue with the change affecting that? I think it'll be complicated and more ambiguous. I mean, just to be frank, I think it will be, you know, it will say, okay, notices are exempt, go to see the town bylaws and the town bylaws will say, you know, notices are what we're defining notices to be in these further regulations. So I'm not, I don't want to, I'd have to think about it a little bit, but I don't want to say that it's, I don't think there's anything per se fatal about it, but at the same time, it will be basically saying that notices are what the Board of Selectment say notices are, and that makes it a little bit more difficult to read their compatibility. Doug, I think that you're misinterpreting this, Joe. I'm actually not suggesting that notices are what the Board of Selectment says. I'm suggesting that the definition of notices be included in the bylaw, but the implementation and specifics around that their regulation be adopted by this Board as regulation, and I would presume we would include that in our policy handbook as well, once once we adopted that. Well, certainly within the zoning bylaw, there will be a definition of what the notice is. Got you. So there were. Okay. I think just as an example, I understand there's further clarification to make sure we're all saying the same thing, is that things like talking about the materials, talking about what happens about when they're lost or damaged, that would be the type of thing that would be in a regulation, not a bylaw. What might be in the bylaw, and Joe, correct me if you're looking at the size, or you even. I wasn't anticipating that. Okay, so then, okay. Anything that has a variable about it? That's how you all set the animal. And so the definition would be, so what are the parts then that you, can you give me an example of what the elements that you think would be in the definition, in the bylaws? Everything before the enumerated list. Okay. Unless there would be a requirement to include in the bylaw the specification that other town, other town departments, that might have to be in a bylaw too, just specifying other town departments of jurisdiction to accommodate the recreation department one month. You good? Not ready to come myself, so. Both ways on it, but I think I agree with Joe's amendment. Thank you. Thanks, Christian. You're welcome, thank you. Next President, sir. Tony Vogel, and I'm so happy to be here. Thank you, Tony. I'm an architect and graphic designer. I'm sorry, just to remind you, we do have a five minute time limit, so I'm sorry, thank you. So let me get to it. I'm a graphic designer and architect, and I've been involved in creating as a volunteer since my 18 year old was, you know, kindergarten, involved in various school, park, community groups. I get drafted to do some design and do some publicity. So I'm very familiar with someone who's been making these, and my expertise has been asked about it. And I, because my visual person, I think it's also helpful to have some context. I got something to say. It's good. I found myself in sort of a scoffed opposition irony around the 4th of July, which we take a lot of pride in around here and as does Boston. Thank you. You're noting the other one I have is just some other examples. That was drafted when we were sort of first to face with the idea that, oh my gosh, what we've been doing all this year seems to be working and something to do with the idea that just isn't allowed. Thank you. And then, Chris, do you mind helping with the bill? So put this in context. I am speaking as a member and president of the Friends of Robbins Farm Park. And as I'm sure you're all familiar, we hold a lot of events. We've had as many as 12 events during a calendar year. And we feel a great responsibility to make sure that those people are aware of those events. And we've evolved over many years now some practices which seem to work and that have changed. I would say that I do feel that there is a distinction to be made between notice for a yard sale or lost pet and the advertising of a community-large event. We've designed these signs over many years and evolved. We've gone from typically, which is actually, I made it so you can see what 2 foot by 3 foot is. This is a 6-foot square sign. And this is fine if you're kind of close by, have a chance to read it. But we have found that after experimenting, we have signs of all different nature. And in the font, we have other signs of different sides or different places where we ask permission of business to put them in their window or have smaller ones to supplement the larger signs. We do feel like the large signs we've kind of evolved to. Now, that is, in fact, about a little over 10 square feet, just for context. And in the photo you have there on this page with the four photos, you can see one mounted on the pole. And if you've seen our signs, the big ones, that's what they are. And what we found is, in order for people to actually get the gist of what's going on as they're driving by in their car, it needs to be of a certain size. And I think it's a matter of both publicity and also public safety. We have also been, our expertise has been asked as we've evolved our practices. We've tried very hard to be environmentally responsible. We used to make new signs each year, try to pass them up. And we've now invested in creating signs that are reused each year, in which we just change the appropriate information. This is the date on the bottom strip. We have evolved practice of putting up each of these signs with three screws and a washer. We put them up. We found the ideal amount of time for a large event, somewhere between seven, 10 days and two weeks, depending on the scale of the event. Two weeks for something like the 4th of July, which is our largest public event. Maybe seven to 10 for one of our free music concerts. And we put these in just with screws and a washer. And they go right in. They come right out. Very little of any damage to pull. I have seen lots of practices where people are putting up 8 and 1 half by 11 signs with like 16 half inch thick staple guns. I mean, people just go wild. And I can see there would be a concern on Verizon's part is most of those telephone poles are practically 90% metal. I mean, they're just abused. And I do think it's we recommend always when we're talking to other organizations who ask us, do it removable. Make it simple. Don't put up too much hardware. I'm sorry, Tony. Can you get into your concluding remarks, please? Yeah. So you see here, we think that we have never had any complaints about our signs. In fact, we've been complimented. Complimented is sometimes the point our signs have been stolen because they like them so much. That's another story. But we do feel actually that they're a benefit to the committee and an important element to the community. I also want to just put in context why something needs to be big in a certain context in the second exhibit. We don't want to be a clue. I know they're not all the same cat or just in context. Putting up a banner on a high school, the sign that's right out front here for the trivia be, they have to be big of a certain size. And we have an occasional, we'd like to have an opportunity for the occasional time to have an appropriate sort of fundraising sign, which might go beyond this 10-foot size that we feel is very appropriate. You see the example here of our Save the Slide for the Park at Robins Farm Park, which was a four-foot bite. It's kind of thermometer style thing. It needed to be up there for quite a long time when we successfully raised $30,000 in a matter of a few months because it was effective advertising for public good. No money, of course, was donated to the town. So that's our background. And I'd say we really appreciate it. We really want to do things the right way. We don't want to just put things up and say, we're not going to worry about it unless someone takes it down. Thank you very much, I'm sorry. We have to move on. Thank you. Questions? Well, tell me if I'm in. So you're asking, you want it to be 14 days, not the seven. And you'd like it to be 10 square feet. Am I right? Yeah, I mean, just to be very mercenary about it, I guess, we've actually invested over the years about $2,500 in creating these signs. So it would be, from our point of view, extremely disappointing to have to trash that. It's money that we raised from as a nonprofit, and we feel like this is an appropriate kind of thing. We never had anyone complain about it. But now we find that we appreciate the whole process that the ARB has gone through. My purpose in doing this is to actually show you what it is and actually show you what you've been seeing, the 10-foot size doesn't seem like a gargantuan kind of thing, but something you've actually seen. If you see the signs at the corner, say, of Highland and Gray, for example, those are sort of the key spots where you have those signs. And I don't think they seem overscaled in any way. Thank you. Further questions for phone 19? Thank you very much. Thank you. Discussion from the board before our next presenter? I only have one question. Did you design these? They're beautiful. Really. Thank you, Mr. Chairman and members of the board, Rony Chappett and a member of the Friends of Robin's Fund. So I do not really get involved with the committee that worked up this project. But I have a story that I want to tell you, and I want to emphasize the business about a sandwich board because it's not listed on here, and I think it's Crete. We got word of the difficulties in putting up signs last summer, and so we simply did not put up the bigger poster signs that we had. And we had about a dozen. They went to special places around town, places where we knew people would see them. One of those was a sandwich board. It was a half a sandwich board. And the reason it was half was because it was installed in the island between the two sections of Mass Ave, almost across from the library, and it was facing west. So the people that were coming down east, if they get the light, they could have enough time to read it. If they were coming the other way, it would have been dangerous. So we just made it a half a sandwich board. Now to make sure that we kept this configuration, we probably have been putting out the big posters maybe 10 years now, and we used a little common sense here. We typically put them out about two weeks in advance of the event, July 4th. And we always took them down the day after the event. A lot of events were on Saturday. It was easy for me to come down after church and just pick them up and bring it home. Therefore, we never really, as Tony said, we never really got a lot of complaints about our signs. I won't speak for other people's signs, but our signs, we try to use a little common sense here and be good neighbors. And so that's why we did it that way. So my influence here is yes. The larger signs, the ones that he's talking about here, as opposed to what ARB had suggested, make sense because they're easier to read. But not so concerned about the little poster signs, the 8 by half by 11, unless you're walking by, you're not gonna see them anyway. So we haven't done these, and we've done the same thing. We've made sure that they come down shortly after the event. But it's much more difficult to make that happen as opposed to the dozen largest signs where everybody has one or two that they're assigned to take care of. That's all I know about the sandwich board because that was my job. And I can put the thing in the back of my station wagon. Okay, so I would hope that as you're thinking about this legislation that you, in fact, include somewhere the verbiage that talks about sandwich boards, even though it's not registered here. Okay, thank you. Yes, question. Sorry, Roli, Roli, why, give me, why coming east is it more dangerous than reading going west? What was that? Oh, okay. Can you understand that? Imagine the concrete light pole that's down there almost to the very end of the intersection. Yeah, right, right, right. Okay, we put the sandwich board, so it's facing west, which means people driving this way are gonna see it, right? Okay. Now, the only people that are really gonna see it are those that can stop the light. Okay. Maybe a half a dozen, that's probably it. But you know, if you leave the sign there long enough, that's gonna count a number of people. Right, right. If the light changes and you're coming this way and you're gonna go west on massive, you're not worried about that sign, you're gonna hardly see it anyway. So we just didn't bother. We just made the sign a one-way sign. Am I making sense? I'm gonna have to check it when I drive home too. Yes, do that. Do that. You'll notice. All right. Particularly, if you have to take a left on to, there's a mystery. Yes, I live there, so. The light here. Yeah, right, I go left there all the time, right? You got two or three cars back from that light. That's where that sign is. You can't miss it, you can't miss it. Thank you. I think that under the current sandwich boards are included, was my interpretation, because as long as they fit into the signage. Well, I didn't, they weren't here. That's the only reason I brought that up. Thank you. But I think it just comes down to the size. Okay, thank you. Would you like to say something? Yeah. I did wanna make one more brief comment. There was some discussion about the idea of what seemed like kind of a permitting process. For example, a refundable fee. And I just wanna suggest that I think that would be kind of burdensome, and furthermore, kind of an administrative nightmare, with a number of signs, notices. Thank you. Do we really want people coming in to get, and will they come in to put up their lost pet sign? Thank you. I do feel like the language that's been shown, where you have to indicate who the sign is, contact number, and if it's not on there, then the sign is not allowed, and you can take it down freely. But it needs to be there, and then you can clearly find someone, or a group, with that notice there. Thank you. I guess, and it's tough because I know that the Friends of Robbins Farm have a good track record on this, but I think that we really, this isn't based at perhaps your group, it's based at the other groups that probably don't pay such close attention to the regulations that we have in town. So that's where I came from with that idea. And I think that we did hear a lot of good recommendations tonight, I thought that was a pretty good discussion. And I think that Joe's motion will allow us to digest everything that we heard tonight. I think that we, doing it how we approached busking last year, will allow us to kind of evaluate all of the recommendations that we heard, and let us set the right path that we think is appropriate with the input of all these groups. And when it comes down to the size, I think I agree with the chair of the ARB, and that it does matter where it is. And to me, it does matter what it's for. I think that discretion is needed when making decisions like this. And I agree with the chair of the ARB when he spoke about the length, different events warrant different lengths of time up. And I think that that's something we need to work out. And I don't know if that's something that can be worked out between now and town meeting. And I think that taking some time to put it together is appropriate. And that's why I'll be supporting Joe's motion. Adam, do you have some? Before the board finalizes the deliberation, I do think it's important to say, this isn't follow up to something Mr. Dunn said earlier. By no means am I saying this to discourage the proponents' article. I think it's a good idea, and I think it would be wise to move forward. But there should be no assumption or thought that there would be resources available for active enforcement of this bylaw. I think it's important. I know I'll be asked on town meeting floor, so I think it's important to make that clear for the board before it takes me in action. Plain based. Plain based, yes. Thank you very much. But even something, assuming something like must be made of resilient materials, how many times do we see missing dog that's on a piece of paper? That's been scotch taped to it. I don't think they consider that a resilient material. I agree, thank you. Further discussion from the board? Mr. Dunn. I am very much in favor of this in particular because it's going to, not because it's going to keep lost pet signs from appearing and not being cleaned up, that problem will continue no matter what we pass, but because it does permit a path forward for the things that we do want, I think is really, and so I'm very happy. And in particular, listening to the added speakers made me really come around Joe to your motion. I think you got it right and I'm happy to support it. And we've got to allow Tony's stuff to be seen around town because it's really good. So Mr. Chairman, do you have enough? If I ask you that. If I understand the vice chair's motion correctly, I'm going to draft a vote that basically provides for the first piece of the vote as proposed by Mr. Klein. With the board's permission, then I'll draft some basic regulations that address as many points as have been discussed today, ranging from some of the issues Mr. Dunn raised to some of the other issues that have been raised. And if the board has no objection, I'd like to be able to consult with Mr. Klein and the secretary ex-officio of the ARB to try to make sure that the spirit of this is consistent with the ARB's understanding as well as Mr. Klein's understanding as the proponent of the article and that these regulations reflect a fair balance of their concerns and obviously the points the board has made this evening. Is that an acceptable course? I think that's fine with me, yes. And if the chair of the ARB would like to have a say in it, I'd be happy with that as well. In the discussion between now and the recommendation being written. This is a point of record, I'm not the chair though, but I would be glad to consult with the chair. Oh, I thought you were, I'm sorry. You were last year, huh? Sorry, I keep saying chair. No offense. Just clarification, all of this is predicated on we're recommending favorable action. Yes. Okay. So we have a motion and a great discussion. So we have a motion, a second. All those in favor, please say aye. Aye. Opposed? There we go. Thank you, everyone. Moving on, I generally don't do this, but is anyone here to speak on the disposition of real estate for 1207 Mass Ave? I didn't think so. So we're gonna go to the master plan endorsement resolution and we'll. It's. Well, am I, this is just for us to put a placeholder in there. What this is, is for you to take favorable action to ask town meeting to give the Board of Selectment authority to dispose of the former DAV property. But we don't have to. I mean, we're just giving us authority. Okay. Sorry, so I didn't, I thought it was a straightforward thing. No, well, we're, there's a bunch of people for the master plan, so I'm just gonna take it out of order. Okay. Okay. Resolution for the master plan endorsement. Who wants to speak on this? Yeah. Thank you members of the board. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I'm Carol Kowalski, Director of Planning, Community Development. The article 46 is a redevelopment board article asking town meeting to endorse the recently adopted Arlington master plan. The resolution we offer is prepared in draft form. I think it's before you in your packets. And it's redevelopment board. It's not zoning, obviously, but it is a redevelopment board inserted article. And Bruce Fitzsimmons from the redevelopment board is here for any questions about the board's position on it or action on it. And co-chairs of the master plan advisory committee, Carol Svensson and Charlie Kaloskas are here as well. The purpose of the resolution really is to get town meeting to embrace the process that's ahead. The master plan has been adopted. So it's not to adopt the master plan because that's been accomplished. But this is, we're going to need to really partner with town meeting going forward in order to implement the master plan. So this is, we want them to be familiar with it, to embrace the public process that's ahead and look forward to seeing items come before them repeatedly over the next several years as the master plan is implemented. We have some information sessions, four information sessions for town meeting members to help them get acquainted with the plan but also to get them familiar with what they're being asked to commit to in this resolution and what we're not asking them to commit to. It's been a long process and a lot of town meeting members have been involved but some may not have been able to be as involved in the master plan process. So March 10th tomorrow is the first of these four information sessions. The first one is at the Dallin School. The second is at the Stratton on March 18th. We have one at the Thompson School on March 26th and April 7th will be at the Central School. So this is a way for town meeting members to really hear about the plan and the resolution. What time of those cameras? They're all at 7 p.m. All at 7. Thank you for asking. Thank you very much. Anyone else want to say a few words? Thank you. Bruce Fitzsimons again with the Arlington Redevelopment Board. Not the chairman. Not the chairman. Thank you. So just to build on what Carol said, the resolution is asking town meeting essentially to endorse the act of the redevelopment board in adopting the plan. Under Massachusetts law, it's the planning board that adopts a master plan and that's already happened with the board. But we very much are interested in having a town meeting by into this process. Has been a very public process over the last two years with a number of different community meetings to try to get the town's input into, the citizen's input into the master plan. And it's gonna be an ongoing process. The master plan is a living document and it can be revised over time as matters warrant. And from the master plan itself, undoubtedly there will be specific warrant articles that come to town meeting over the next few years that try to implement specific actions of the master plan. I guess what I would want everyone to understand is we're not asking town meeting necessarily to endorse every single recommendation that's in the master plan, but more buying into this process and the idea that there will be warrant articles coming forward as time goes by. And lastly, I would be remiss if I didn't thank all the people who have been involved in this process, the members of the master planning advisory committee, our planning staff, our consultant, Mr. Kerro for being the liaison from your board to the MPAC and Mr. Byrne as well. So again, thank you very much. It's been quite a process. Thank you. Hello, Carol Swenson, master plan advisory committee coach here. I can't really follow up too much on what Bruce said. He kind of stole my thunder, but just to reiterate, we met with community leaders, just regular people, committee members. We started this process in October of 2012. And since then there's been about 75 public workshops, presentations, meetings, interviews and surveys. We've tried to, well, I think we have incorporated most, if not all of the comments of the public and made a balance of what everybody wants and needs into something that I think would be a good plan for the future. And we hope that the town meeting will agree to endorse the ARB's action. Thank you. Just to, my name's Charlie Kaloskis and also co-chair with the master plan advisory committee. Just wanna echo what the previous people have said and also wanna thank the 11 person master plan advisory committee, we met on a monthly basis, did a lot of work between meetings as well. And just say that the master plan really is a policy statement and a framework for future physical development in town. It's consistent with the town goals and we're adopted in 1993. And I think it's going to help the town in terms of making investments in the town's physical development over the next 20, 30, maybe even 40 years. So I just wanna thank everybody that supported the effort in this and looking forward to town meeting. Thank you very much, everyone. Yeah, of course I'd like to thank everyone for all their work on this. The committee members planning staff, ARB made an excellent vote in their endorsement of this. And I think it's really important that everyone knows that this isn't required, that I think this is adding another level of transparency to an incredibly transparent process. And I think that will only serve the community better. I've been quite impressed by how this is played out and yeah, I'm happy to support this. I think that it is important to note what Carol said in that it's not asking for the town meeting's support on every issue moving forward. It's basically just plan for it, be ready for it and know that there are really important warrant articles that are gonna be coming down the pipeline and I'm very happy with this. So, Joe. Thank you very much, Mr. Byrne. First, I wanna thank you and I wanna thank the other members of the board because I know that you had served as a sports liaison for the first part of this long process that we've been through and I've been happy to have the opportunity over the last year and a half or so to fill your shoes in that and get to know the members. I'd note that Ms. Richter who's here with us this evening is also a member of the advisory committee. As much as there was discussion about public input and there was, even up to the last moment, even after the master plan advisory committee had drafted final recommendations to the ARB, even some of the late coming public commentary was incorporated in the redevelopment board's discussions and there were some tweaks that were even made at that time and one thing I wanna note is that it felt that it was very important to underline that this would be a living document and this is kind of a road map for us to live by. At the advisory committee there was long discussion about what the proper way was to go forward to town meeting because all along there has been a commitment. We will come back to town meeting. There have been forums throughout this process that have been specifically directed towards town meeting members with a lot of participation but there was a little bit of a quandary because under the law the redevelopment board is the authority and adopts this. I think this is the right way to go with this resolution. If you look, I lost count. I think it's 65 or 70 separate recommendations. It's something like eight pages at the end of the master plan now of steps that will be taken in the future. I say steps because each one of those 70 recommendations includes its own public process. We've had 75 meetings and surveys and interviews and such up until now but there's so much more public process ahead. Some of it will be with town meeting. Some of it will be with this board. Some of it will be with the redevelopment board. All of the parties that are expected to participate are enumerated in that recommendation section. That in and of itself is gold as far as I'm concerned as far as really giving a kind of a view forward as to what we can expect in future years. So I think it's appropriate and I'm going to enthusiastically support this that we go forward and ask town meeting to engage further as we go down the road. Already there were some preliminary discussions. I know at the last advisory committee meeting about, how do we want the implementation process to look? Do we want some kind of an implementation committee that will be there to kind of help? Remind boards and committees and such, kind of like a project management really to remind folks of the various steps that have been laid out in this seven-year plan. So I'm very enthusiastic and it's appropriate. I'd like to move favorable action on the recommended resolution language. Certainly, thank you. Further discussion from the board? Ken? Just want to say I like the mailing I got. I thought it was good as a town meeting member and I think that that's part of the communication that's so important that I know that we've talked about a lot and I was really glad to see that. You were inspired if you recall. My fingerprints weren't on it, I don't know. Thank you. So just thank you for tremendous work. Thank you so much all of you. Thank you. Further discussion from the crowd? Seeing none. So we have a motion and a second. All those in favor, please say aye. Aye. Opposed? Thank you very much everyone. Thank you. Moving on, article 13, disposition of real estate, 1207, Massachusetts Avenue. Doug, do you want to lead this? Absolutely. Sorry, let me just pull up my notes, Mr. Chairman. Take your time, I know there's quite a few of them. So as the board will recall, this has been a long process for the board. The board's engaged the community extensively. It's had a number of discussions and taken a number of steps already with respect to the posture of a property that is specifically held by the board. It's not held by the town, it's not held by the ARB. It's specifically held by the board of Selectman. And pursuant to the town's, this board's robust sort of exploration with the town manager about what the best use of this property is now that we know that it's ours. The board basically elected that in the long run, sale was the most appropriate long-term course for the property. In order to achieve the sale of real estate, the board needs to obtain the permission of town meeting. Town meeting can set forth some parameters for the sale, but it doesn't have to. So basically, all we're doing is asking for town meetings permission to sell the property and should attach as little conditions on it in the board's vote as possible so as to give the board as much flexibility as possible in determining what the price is going to be, what it's going to be used for. As the board will recall, it's important to keep the price confidential so that once we go out to an RFP process to sell the property, which is required by state law under chapter 30B, we'll have hopefully some competition and secure the best price, even if we're ultimately electing to sell it for some, quote, unquote, public purpose. So as you'll see in the memo, it's basically fairly straightforward. This is the first step of the process. There's not actually a clear limit in terms of the time that town meeting is going to authorize you to make a sale. The board will also recall that there are some plans for what to do with the property in the meantime. And I'm happy to discuss that further, but unless the board has any further questions, I think this is really just, as you've done with other properties in the past, a vote to ask town meeting for permission to sell the property. Excellent. Thank you. I will note that we've had, this has been a part of, or I guess there have been several discussions leading up to this with this board. And I think we've all stated or I think that I've expressed my opinions on this act at that time. So I won't dive into it now, but discussion. Move favorable action. Second. Your motion is second. Further discussion? Dan. I just think it's important that our comment includes some of the history in terms of the hearings we did, the install that stuff. Absolutely. I agree. Thank you. Yes, Kevin. And I was, didn't we kind of come down on the side of renting this for a year? Should that be included in the comment? I think they're going to want some specifics. That is appropriate. Yes, Mr. Grayley. I'll put that in the comments while I am. I 100% agree with Mr. Grayley on that. Thank you. Further discussion? Nope. We have a motion and a second. All those in favor, please say aye. Aye. Opposed? There you go. Warrant article hearing number two in the books. Four final votes and comments. I think that we should address each article individually. So we'll start at the top. And if you have any comments, please share them with us at that time. Mr. Chairman? Yes. I apologize to know this has been a longer meeting, but I do feel it's appropriate to note with respect to article eight, limiting speaking time and announcements and reports. While I prepared what I think reflects the board's discussion overall and the full depth of the types of matters that the board and its proponent contemplated, I do want to note that the town moderator communicated with me that he felt that there was an alternative in the way in which it could be presented, which would be to basically instead of write it out specifically as this, to basically say that all matters under article three of the warrant, which is basically reports of committees, would be subject to this time limit. It's my understanding that this board had a broader category of things that it wanted to include. But I just wanted to present that the town moderator had said that an alternative in his mind was to say all matters under article three and I think announcements. I think this is probably a little bit more specific than that. Thank you, Doug. OK, any? Yes, Joe. Thank you. I think I'm concerned with that, even though we always have article three devoted to that. Theoretically, it doesn't have to be that way. I know we always do. You could refer to it simply as reports of committees. It doesn't have to have the number. True. I don't feel strong in one way or another. There is one concern I do have in the language here. I think we may have an unintended consequence. It's very small. But I noticed that in the last highlighted paragraph, no person shall speak or otherwise hold the floor. It says no person shall speak or otherwise hold the floor by the first time on any non-actionable subject for more than four minutes, et cetera, et cetera. And then it says no later on it says no person shall speak or otherwise hold the floor for a second time on any subject for more than five minutes. I don't think that was our intent. I think our intent was any time for the non-actionable items. It would be a four-minute limit. And it seems we have an unintended consequence there by including the word first. So, Mr. Kirer, I think my recollection was that there was a discussion with Mr. Schlickman about this general issue in terms of inserting the bylaw so that folks, so that it would basically just be inserted and the rest of the bylaw would remain the same, which is why I constructed it this way. If you're concerned about that, I can certainly modify it for the purposes of saying that non-actionable items cannot be recognized for a second time or I could modify the clause that says no person shall speak or otherwise hold the floor for a second time to include non-actionable items. I am only suggesting that we remove the word first from that last paragraph, highlighted paragraph, such that it says no person shall speak or otherwise hold the floor. I'm sorry, not for the first time. Strike for the first time so that no person shall speak or otherwise hold the floor on any non-actionable subject for more than four minutes. I got you. Yeah, I would agree. Just striking those, the comma and the one, two, three, four words. Thank you. Further discussion on article eight? Yes, Dan? Do you think it would be a little more readable if we include mention that the highlighted is what's being inserted? I think it does. Does it actually say that? I thought it. It says it at the beginning of the memo, but I can. Oh, it said it at the beginning of. OK. So when your vote goes into your votes and comments, the final version, it won't be highlighted. It'll just be this is the recommended vote unless you'd like it to be that way. So I think it's important that town meeting ask or a town meeting will want to know what the changes that they're making. And so I guess, yeah, somehow we have to tell them that. Sure. We've done it in the past in a couple of different ways. And if this way works for the Board of Selectments, I'm happy to put it into the report this way, or I can, you know, there's a couple of different ways that can be done. And I'll make sure it's clean. I don't have a preference as to what way I just. OK. Thank you. Further discussion? Yeah, it's related to this, but all articles. So tonight, Ms. Mahon can't be here. So when it's reported what we're about to do, it's going to be reported that it's a 4 to 1 vote. 4-0. 4-0. Yeah, I believe. You're sure? It's like, because it would be like 4-0-1 or something like that. No, even just say 4-0. No. Oh, that was one. Oh, and then Ms. Mahon's absent. I think it'll say 4-0, Ms. Mahon absent. Is there a way that she could vote on it, though, so that it could be a 5-0? In other words, I thought we showed as a 4-1. Sorry. OK. So if that's OK. Well, I mean, I know for me what's happened over the years is I missed a night when there was like eight final votes. And so it looked like I didn't take part in any of those final votes, which I didn't, because I wasn't here for the night we voted on the wording, like we're doing on these articles tonight. But certainly, I've been there for the hearings part of it or, you know, along the way. So I'm not leaving alone. I'm sorry. My answer, if we want to resolve it that way, we should, if Ms. Mahon wants to be recorded, then she should ask a chair to bring it back, and we can just vote on it again. We'd have to do that by Robert's rules, yeah. Thank you. Sorry. I mean, no worries. Further discussion on Article 8? Move approval. Second. Great. We have a motion and a second all those. In favor, please say aye. Aye. Article 8, all set. Article 9, By-law Amendment Human Rights Commission. Move approval. Second. Motion and second. Further discussion? Seeing none, all those in favor, please say aye. Aye. Article 10, By-law Amendment Description of the Malcoboa Crescent Hill District. Move approval. Second. Further discussion? All those in favor, please say aye. Aye. Article 11. Mr. Chairman, with your and the board's patience, I'd like to move that we table that until our next meeting, March 23. It is my intention to put together a substitute article to be put before town meeting. But I'd like to make one more plea to my board before we actually change this wording. So with the board's permission, I'd like to move to table till the 23rd. I'll second that. Your motion is second. Discussion? I'm happy to table it. I'm happy to entertain. Is it worth us having a brief conversation about ideas first now, or would you rather just? Well, I also wanted the full board here. But I'm just going to try and convince you again what I felt I had two of you so close. So my motion is going to be to reconsider and to change that it would be one selectman working with the town manager who would do the search and rescue and interview. And those two bring before this board. And this board with the town manager, as we do with CDBG, would actually make the appointments. But I do feel strong enough I'd rather not have to go to town meeting. But I really do believe it's very important that the selectman have more of a say in this. I think this takes coordination on this board. The examples I gave before, if the Community Preservation Act needs money for one of their projects, and I don't have any funding, I can see where they would come to us and maybe ask for funds out of CDBG, or through the general budget, or through capital planning. I just think it's great to have something like this where these new projects are going to be recommended. What about tying it into what we just heard on the master plan? So I just feel very strongly we need a stronger role in these appointments. Thank you, Mr. Grayley. I think we have a second. But I will note that one thing I think we should consider if we are. If we're going to reconsider the board's role in this, I think we should also consider extending the date from 30 days back to 45 days. Because I think those two are intertwined. And I think that's part of the discussion. I think that we should have when that time comes. Joe? I just wanted to say that I think I was the person in the unenviable position of being the swing vote the last time. I'm a lever. I felt like a teetering scale. And I've given it a lot of thought. And I think that it is worth another discussion. This is really quite different. The more I've thought about it since our last time. And I think it's worth having a discussion with the entire board present as well. So I'm happy to support the motion to table. And further discussion. Seeing none, all those in favor, please say aye. Aye. And you said that's a 23rd meeting, Kevin. Next meeting, yes, please. Okay. If that's all right with you, Mr. Chairman. You know, I'll have to consider it, I guess. Moving on, article 16, acceptance of legislation, complete streets program. Dan? I think we should take. I want to take another swing at this one, I think. Because in particular, I'm concerned that it doesn't quite go far enough in terms of explaining what 90A does. So in particular, so just so you know, I've been really worried about this one in terms of the presentation. Because so many of our other articles, there's a lot of context and there's a lot of information that's provided to people. So for instance, the CPA, they've heard about it, they voted on it. There's a lot of stuff. But if you're a town meeting member, and I think back when I was first elected town meeting, I get that selectments report and I'd read it. And that was like, where I was getting 90% of my information about what was going on. And I look at this and I say, town meeting must adopt 90A, and I say, what happens when you adopt 90A? What are the requirements? What are the impacts for the town? And I think the only impact is that we have to adopt a complete streets plan. But we don't actually say that yet in this comment. So I just, and I sent it to a couple of my favorite test town meeting members. And I said, here's my draft, here's the draft language. Would you get it or would you have questions? And they both said, yeah, I'd have questions. And in particular, the questions were, and I apologize just because I did this afternoon, but in fact, I got a text message during the meeting saying, Dan, I don't understand. So I apologize for not having talked earlier with the town council about that. I actually wrote down the same note that when going through this, I think when one of the main parts of our last discussion when we were having it was we had to be very clear regarding what the exact process is to be eligible for funding and I read through it and I didn't see that there. So I agree that maybe clarifying that a bit is an important step. So Doug, what do you think? So I will definitely take another shot at it. Thank you very much. And I would maybe, it would be an efficient use of time for Dan and I to talk about what would be, what town meeting members would like to specifically see with the understanding that there is one significant limitation. And that's that chapter 90 is a really new program. And the state hasn't promulgated regulations with respect to exactly what it will want to see from its perspective in any complete streets policy. So all it's really telling us right now is, except chapter 90, I developed a complete streets policy either by bylaw or board of selectmen policy or yeah, board of select regulation. And it's not giving us a lot more context for exactly what that will be. If Dan and I have a conversation and I can have a conversation with Laura Weiner about what some of the sort of intel that they're getting on it, I think it would be helpful. And I'm happy to do it. I think that it would as well. Thank you very much. Dan, you happy? Yes, absolutely. Good. For the discussion regarding article 16, seeing none, do we vote on it? So table it and then bring it back. I move table. Second. Motion to second table. All those in favor, please say aye. Aye. Thank you. I assume everyone else meant to say aye. I did. Good. I just thought it really loudly. Yes, Mr. Really. In past town meetings, each of us get a large three-wing binder. And I think that's put together by all three of our offices. Is it primarily yours, Adam, or ours, or is it? Are we doing that this year, or are we going to use these? I think it's still the binders. The binder. I'm not sure that town meeting is going to be set up on this type of a system. No, I meant for us, just I didn't mean for town meeting. Oh, OK. I think, Mr. Really, I think we don't put together the binders for town meeting. I think she means that Novus isn't necessarily going to be set up for town meeting. So we'll do the binders. Right, that's the program. It doesn't transition over to town meeting, like the program. Yes. OK, well, I was going to say I want the three-wing binder, anyhow. Oh, Kurt, well, you're going to get it. You're going to get it? You're going to get it? No. But I mean, it isn't set up. We're looking at it right here. This is a Warren article in our vote. What's different with, what do you mean? It's not set up for town meeting. Because it doesn't run all the articles. You'd have to get, yeah, exactly. You'd have to get the moderator involved. You'd have to get all the town meeting members and so on and so forth. And we've only done the implementation for the Board of Select. Yes, and I think we still have some kinks that I think we need to work out. I figured out what I did wrong, by the way, that caused my problem. So was it Novus or was it you? It's a feature within Novus that's not great. But I mean, and so you just, yeah. You know, I've been thinking about perhaps putting Novus on the agenda at a point in time and maybe discussing some issues about it. Just checking. But we'll save that for another day. We will, we do have to, like before we, in the meeting, we do have to go back to the discussion of future BOS meetings. Do you want to do, oh yeah, sure. Mr. Chairman. Yes. I got a hockey score. Yes. Final score, Arlington Catholic Four, Arlington High School One. Congratulations, Silicogers. Thank you very much. Congratulations. Yes. Congratulations to Arlington High School as well. I understand it's a very close game until the middle, about the middle of the game. Yeah, it was 1-1 after 2. Yes, but I'm looking forward to supporting Arlington Catholic in the finals. I hope everyone will join me in doing so. So going back, we have a discussion of future Board of Selections meetings. Okay, so starting in April, would we do the 13th and 27th? 27th is 10 meeting, right? Yeah, so that's the first night it would have to be. And I mean, it's either, yes. Do we typically have an organization meeting the Monday after election? The 6th is already scheduled. No, the Monday after is the 30th. Yeah, so we have the 30th and the 6th already scheduled, is that right? The 30th is scheduled, okay. So we have one schedule on the 6th? No, sorry, just, sorry, the 30th we have. I have the 30th, okay. Yeah, sorry. So want to do the 6th and the 27th? Work? No, no. If we're meeting on the 30th, which is the week, oh, so the 13th. Yeah, the 13th and the 27th, I think. Yes, I think that way, I guess I was not thinking properly. And what time do you want to do for the 27th? We have to do 6 p.m., correct? Isn't that the first night of 10 meeting? 10 meeting starts at 8, so. 7 p.m., right? 7. About 15 minutes. Oh yeah, right, right. When is Patriot's Day, the 13th? The 20th. 20th, okay. 7.15, the 27th, 7. Going into May, the, hmm. Yeah, we have Memorial Day on the 25th. Yeah. And we presumably have 10 meeting going 4th, 11th, 18th. We might actually have to schedule 4, 11, and 18, because of 10 meeting, right? Or should we just go with 4 and 18 for now? 4 and 18 and keep 11 open just in case. Okay. And those would both be at 7, with the town meeting. June. June 22. Bear with me in just a minute, I'm still. I am going away in June. So, are we ready to talk about June? Sure. Yes, we're gonna be keeping going. We're gonna be scheduling July, right? No. We're not. Oh, we're just gonna do June? June, yeah. Okay, so 8th and 22, okay. So, if, so did we say 8 and 22? That works, everybody. Yep. Yes, it does. I'm going, I'll be out of town though. So the 14th, but that works. Well, that was easy. Are we doing July and August, or no? No, on the, in the agenda. The schedule only goes to June. Okay. So, we'll attack that at a later time. Okay, and then, we've correspondence received a response to changing of flight patterns on runway 33L and veterans council seeking members. Thank you. I move receipt. I would note that, I didn't want to say that. Mr. Siano has been continually sharing material with both the chair and myself. I did share with him this, he hadn't seen this letter from, from the FAA. And I think that he has shared, at least with us. I think he's been communicating through us a response that seems a lot of communities got the same letter pretty much basically, basically telling us to take a hike. And Belmont has sent them a response and they're obviously trying to rally support from other communities based on that model. So we may want to put this back on the agenda again, if we're going to consider further action. Yeah, that's probably a good idea. Do you remember when Belmont was trying to get the support back? Don't. I'll look into it and we'll perhaps try to get it on the next meeting if that's soon enough. And if not, we'll maybe try to consider a different action of our, that works. And I think, and I know you notice the, our legislative delegation is trying desperately to get the new CAC fixed so that we're on it. And some other communities that were left off of it are on it, so we should stay tuned. Yes, this is, it's funny. This wasn't an issue I was ever expecting coming through at first. And it's pretty intricate and it's definitely an important one for us to see on top of because there's a huge quality of life issue that this is really hampering and it's just not very cool. I was disappointed in the reply because it didn't follow the nuance of what we were suggesting. It said, you know, it assumed that we'd made the dumb argument and we really didn't. We were a lot more thoughtful and they said, don't be dumb, you know, really please read what we said. Yeah, very valid point. Thank you. They are frustrating. So there's a motion on the table. Was there a second? Second. The motion is second. All those in favor, please say aye. Aye. Thank you. New business, Marianne. No new business. One small personal matter. My wife is expecting on the 16th. My plan is to be here on the 23rd for the Selected Men's Meeting unless she's still, labor's not going done, but if that eventuality becomes a possibility, I will obviously, through the town manager advice, the board of how the situation can be handled and either make Mr. Miley available and make some other arrangements to make sure that the votes and comments and all the things that are necessary keep on moving. Thank you very much. Congratulations. I have no new business. There we go. Kevin. I have two pieces, Mr. Chairman. One is the select tones have a gig this Saturday evening at the St. Camilla, St. Patrick's Day celebration. And the other is I want to congratulate the Allenton High Quiz Team. They again participate this year in the High School Quiz Show, which is on channel two Saturdays at 6 p.m. 160 public and private high schools competed this year and Allenton High School made it to the round of 16. So on Saturday night, last Saturday night, they competed against Long Meadow. And I'm sorry, I don't know the answer. Oh, and we won and thrilled to now say Allenton High School won. So on April 18th, they will be competing against the winner of the Newton North and the Chelmsford. But a tremendous achievement and very well done on their part and we wish them the very best. And I want to especially thank, I was made aware of all of this by Catherine King, who sent me a note saying she's sorry she's going to miss the Selectones this year, but anyhow, good for them. Thank you, sir. Thank you very much, Mr. Dunn. It's been a long night and I can't restrain myself. So unfortunately, I will not be able to join the Selectones, I'll be in New York for business. And if you really want to impress them, you can remind them that it only is 314 Pi Day because it's 3.14. Super. That is Super Pi Day. Because as we all know, Pi is 3141595359, which means at nine, Steve can't contain himself either, which means on Super Pi Day at 924 in the morning, it is the whole, you know, the first 10 digits all in one. I will not be able to sleep tonight. You're with that, no new business, Mr. Chairman. Thank you. That's very new business to me, actually, so. But it is interesting, it's the first time I've heard it. It only works if you use the American format for dates. The Europeans think we're crazy. Right, because they put the month first. For the date first, sorry, Joe. My jar is open. I work with computer programmers all day, that's the geekiest thing I've heard all week. Thank you for the plug because it is excellent work that the AEF is doing with trying to raise money for the technology program at the schools. The only business I had is, I unfortunately wasn't able to make it. I know the time manager told me about it. I think we all probably joined together in congratulating all of the police officers who were recognized last week at their award ceremony and promotions, and I'm not even gonna say anybody's name because there were a lot, including all the responders after the marathon tragedy. I know that the advocate carried most of the names I think online and such, so I'm sure we all congratulate them and thank them for their service to the town. Thank you, Joe. So I guess I do have two pieces of new business that I wasn't planning on having, but this is an important one. The, we were talking a lot about the hockey game tonight, but the Arlington High boys varsity basketball team had quite the season as well, and it's important to note that they lost in the playoffs up at the Songist Arena on Saturday to a very good day in their steam, but definitely a note of congratulations to that as well, and it's really great to see that a lot of sports has come through Arlington these days, and that's something I really like. So the other piece of new business is with our sister city relationship of Nagokukio. They have a new mayor, and mayor Kengo Nakakoji, and I'm sorry if I pronounced that wrong, but I think it's important that we reaffirm our, you know, the benefits of our sister city relationship, and we have a nice note from Mayor Nakakoji as well, and I know that he's a, or I've heard, he's a big proponent of the student exchange program, which is really where, you know, I think this program begins and ends with me because I think they get the most out of it, and that's a really cool thing, and I'm looking forward to supporting it and working with him moving forward. So that being said, I have no new business. Move we adjourned. Second. We'll motion a second. All those in favor, please say aye. Aye. Thank you.