 So, what we do with REUP is that we cut out the middleman, kind of like still a street concept. We cut out the middleman, the Wall Street, investment bankers, the underwriter intermediaries, and we go directly, we bring offerings or securities directly to the public. So, we like to say, we can get you in on the crop that they won't share. We're totally your back office. We handle all the business of cannabis for you and manage that, train, hire, fire, all of that, the record keeping, the taxes and so on and so on. And if your expertise was growing cannabis, that can remain your expertise. When lions are historians, tales of the hunt will no longer favor the hunter. I know someone's opinion may contradict yours. Where's my friend Allen? It's all about your perspective. Who are we and what is the nature of this reality? Five, four, three, two, one. What's up, everyone? Welcome to Simulation. I'm your host, Allen Sockyan. We're on site at the beautiful New West Summit. We are now going to be talking with Melick Dexter. Hi, Melick. How you doing? Thank you so much for coming on the show. No problem. Thank you for having me. I'm still pumped for this conversation. Melick is the CEO and founder of ReUp, and his background is so interesting here. The dexterous understanding of racial dynamics moved him to found ReUp, which is a crowdsourced startup that leverages diversity as a competitive differentiator in the cannabis industry. And it's been cool. I heard that this is part of the slogan, and I talked to you about this a bit in the green room, but from the streets to the boardroom. I love that a lot. We got a lot to unpack here. Let's talk about you first. Who are you? How did you even get started on this journey? Okay. Again, thank you for allowing me to be here. My name is Melick Dexter, and the way I came about this is really organic in the sense of I found myself in search of, I would call, like a cure. My older brother had a scar on his brain or has a scar on his brain. And later in life, he developed these seizures, and we were told that one day, ultimately, they will kill him. So I began my trek to the West Coast from the South Atlanta in search of what I'd been hearing is this oil that could treat that. And we were very aware of just how vicious the regular conventional medicine was. So I found it and began to... My older brother had smoked weed all his life, but that didn't seem to affect the situation. So after a while of treating himself with strong THC, kind of oil in those early days, the seizures went from mild to not happening. So while out there, but what I saw, I had never seen anything like it. I saw Humboldt County. And at that time, it was very white, and I was raised in a way where I'm very keen to racial dynamics. I think it feeds into everything, whether we see it, say it, or not, it's there. And so I noticed that the black people in Humboldt wouldn't make eye contact. And I assumed that that was... I don't want to mess up my plug. So over time of buying and selling while I was out there, I realized that I was in the game and my white counterparts were in business. I was selling weed and they were selling cannabis. And so I knew that wasn't going to end well for me. And I was not going to be on the cover of a magazine as a result of my prowess in business acumen. I was going to wear some county orange somewhere. And so with that being the case, I knew, personally, I knew enough people who looked like me and didn't fit the drug dealer stereotype. And so that's what led me to say, we've got to rethink this. My father always told me, we have to outthink their thinkers. And so I began the process of outthinking. And that led ultimately to realizing, in 2012, President Obama introduced the jobs act. And the significance of that is that prior to 2012, you could not, unless you were an accredited investor with a net worth of a million dollars or an yearly earning of $250,000, you couldn't invest into private equity companies. And private equity companies could not raise money from that group of people who were less than that. And so this was a game changer in how smaller companies could crowd fund, how they could raise money, differing from like a series A, series B. You had the regulation Ds and the reg A's and so on and so on. So we thought to leverage the marijuana industry by using these personal offering exemptions, private offering exemptions and how to raise capital. So what we do with REUP is that we cut out the middleman. It's kind of like still a street concept. We cut out the middleman, the Wall Street investment bankers, the underwriter intermediaries. And we go directly, we bring offerings or securities directly to the public. So we like to say we can get you in on the crop that they won't share. Mm, yeah, yeah. Okay, so first this, I love the perception that you have. You have this perspective when you get into Humboldt that you see that it's either I'm in the game or I'm in the business. And I love that first that perception is, hey, I want in on the business. I want to democratize these fruits that are about to come from the emerging cannabis market to black people. I want to democratize them to women. I want to democratize them to people that typically don't actually get the privilege of reaping the best parts of the emerging market fruits. And that's such a critical part of the conversations that we've been having. And this other one is about micro financing. That part's so crucial as well. People that only have 10 bucks, 100 bucks, 1,000 bucks, can they get in on the emerging market? And how can we most easily make the regulatory frameworks that enable that style of process? Well, our approach is, I think it's very fair and also unique in the sense that we operate from a very conscious position of knowing that at 33 states now having legalized in some shape or form, you know, cannabis. That if no one stopped at the halfway mark to say, oh, my God, we've left out black people again, even though they suffered from the war on drugs, then that's the business as usual. So operating with that type of consciousness, we're very specific in our plan as to what we want to do. So individuals with $10 or whatever, we're encouraging them to put their monies together to pool their resources, even amongst their own networks and to go larger in an effort to reap the windfall of this big industry. The mindset changed from that extra $100 being used on a material possession that is just trying to be, in a sense, just conspicuously flaunted rather than investing that into the long game, into this big game, into emerging market. This is financial literacy. So many people actually, you know, Damon John has been stepping up and talking about this a lot recently, these financial literacy things that were not taught so much in school, but especially can we get the young black kids around the United States to really latch into that. And yeah. Well, let me say this about it. It's not financial illiteracy. That's the assumption we talk about the need to teach financial literacy. It's not that there's a illiteracy. We have to be mindful that there's always been a plan to create a vulnerable population to be exploited. And in this country, it's black people as the primary target. So we're not combating. This is not a matter of fighting illiteracy. It's a game. I didn't have the choice to choose the game or the business. I was doing business. You know, I'm a very highly educated person. But regardless of me doing the same transaction, I was putting the game based upon my race. So the concept of illiteracy is where you're socially designated. So our mission is not to create financial literacy, is to give the opportunity. 80% of the marijuana that is grown in California prior to just a few years ago left California. And I would venture, because the data is only empirical, I would venture that a large amount of that marijuana left California through highly sophisticated networks that black people ran. This is why you have to look at, I think, Baron Rothschild made this statement that at the Battle of Waterloo, that you invest when there's blood in the streets. But people only stop at that point. The reality is he said that you invest when there's blood in the streets even if it's your own. So the blood in the streets in America today is the heinous arrest rates and how disproportionate that is of black to everyone else. But there's a way to look at that as a business person. If black people nationwide are five times more likely to be arrested with marijuana, then what that really means, there's a discrimination position that can be taken in social justice. But there's another side of a person reading the market. What that simply means is that black people got weed. You see? So that 80% that leaves means that we actually were responsible for a large part of the marijuana industry and the way that it moved, the way that it was trafficked and the way that it was distributed. So the effects of the legalization process across the country and it systematically shutting us out is akin to a national campaign to gentrify our networks of distribution and create the Walmart effect, meaning that when Walmart hits your city, mom and pops die. And so that's what's happening now. And then with the way social equity is playing out is that we're losing what we were already doing to the first move advantage of white, wealthy males. So it's not really about illiteracy. That's a knee-jerk reaction of not being really in tune. It's actually an insulting position. Thank you for educating me more on that. That's really strong actually. So OK, so we have this history of rules and regulations and just overall game plans that have put certain populations of people at disadvantages from this growing pot of wealth that's being created. And then furthermore is that these lines actually really resonate with me. It's, you know, Ye has a line where he says that, meanwhile, the DEA teamed up with the CCA, Corporate Corrections of America. And so when you have things like that happening, you see these greater incarceration rates. You educate us here about the distribution network. If the distribution network is more black, why is there not inclusive stakeholder that is making it so that they reap the rewards of the distribution? That's the literacy that we're teaching. I like this a lot. So rather than having this massive conglomerate that's owned by white male America coming in and and having the Walmart effect happen, how do we make the process where the distribution networks have inclusive stakeholder added to them as quickly as possible so that way we can have that this literacy, in a sense, movement happen if inclusive stakeholder which then makes it so that people can reap the benefits of the fruits of the emerging market? I don't think it can be done. You know, and I don't think that's the incentive. There is no financial, you know, upside of doing that for the people. The purpose of business in capitalism is that you win and some a greater amount of people lose. That's that's the way it's based. So I don't think that that system is meant to be undone and it certainly won't be undone by the people who are benefiting from it. But the pie is always growing and it's just the majority of the people that are investing in the pie earlier are reaping most of the fruits. Meanwhile, the bottom is just very slowly coming up in terms of basic needs. Yeah, that's what's happening. But there's no there's no precedent of any industry doing that. I mean, you look at the alcohol industry, right? I forget the guy's name. What's the brother's name with the Jack Daniels? You know, this this this guy literally taught Jack Daniels how to create the brew. Malcolm. Nearest Mount Mount and so after all this time, they're giving him a brand. But they're not going back in in in retrospect, you know, in retroactively adding that up and giving him any type of, you know, repairing is nothing nothing happened like that. So there's no precedent in any industry, you know, where someone is gone and done that. So what Reops position is, is that we are not we're our own social equity program. We're going to leverage the jobs act and take securities directly to the community at large and not just the wealthiest in our networks. You know, we don't need 5,000 licenses, you know, like like the big MSOs or anything like that. We just need what we're able to obtain in that industry, in this industry. And then we can redistribute wealth amongst ourselves and then establish that. Yeah. Do you guys? And IER. And they've been nearest green. Oh, nearest green. Oh, interesting. OK, so nearest Nathan nearest green. Interesting. OK, was a blackhead stiller commonly referred to now as a master distiller born into slavery emancipated after the Civil War. He's known as the master distiller who taught distilling techniques to Jack Daniel, founder of the Jack Daniel, Tennessee Whiskey Distillery. So nearest green as a master distiller taught Jack Daniel, the techniques that are now literally known as one of the most popular whiskies. And where is the inclusive stakeholder for the nearer for the nearest family? Exactly. So stuff like that, these are the points. So there's no historical precedent of that. And then we can go back to the numbers game in Harlem, you know, which when licensing came into effect, it stopped being a black thing and became owned by the state. We can go back to gambling, which was thriving in the Chicago, the Detroit and all these places. Then it became Las Vegas. It's that's the process. So that's part of the literacy that you refer to is that we we need to remind, you know, black people in the presence, in other words, we're centering blackness, you know, and the black plight in our conversations. And when we talk to audiences outside of ours, that's where the illiteracy takes place, because we have to remind you that this is where these things started. And I'm sure as you do your research, we all do our research. We're going to find a nearest, you know, in the cannabis industry. We know Cheech and Chong, the whole stereotype, is about a swarthly looking person who most likely is Hispanic and or other, but not the typical atypical, you know, white male. Yeah. So then you got Bob Marley, Preet Peter Tosh. It's just the way hip hop in a few years won't look like it's not run by the originators of it. So we're not our program is simply very clear and transparent. And it's not to say that, you know, white people cannot support or anything like that. You're supporting us by helping us get the message out. So we're just centering black so that we can have a real conversation about what's really happening, what really has happened and use the historical precedent of has there ever been any desire to socially, you know, make people equal? Yeah. And I say, no, it hasn't. And could, you know, re up in other movements that are focusing on this inclusive stakeholder, leveraging the the being able to take and break down the what used to be just a million dollar investment into such smaller components, enabling that equity is massive. Also, there was the the we were doing this more and more. Actually, it's coming up not only here in the conversation with nearest nearest nearest green, Nathan nearest green, but also it with the the unknown the unknown heroes of the one with the three NASA computers, the the females that were computers. Yeah. Is that what was the movie again? Something faces on. Oh, Hidden Figures, I think that's right, Hidden Figures, the Hidden Figures. Yes. So Hidden Figures was another great example of this. So this is also a call in terms of you teaching us about literacy. It's teaching it's getting people more excited to learn about where were these unknown hidden figures in the past that have literally moved fields forward that never got to reap the rewards for themselves and their families along the way. And so I love that point. That's critical. So now let's talk about the framework of re up. So, yeah, so how exactly are did you guys figure out to to be able to make it easily accessible for people and how are you marketing yourself so people know about you and then changing their mind to invest in? Well, the SEC, as we know it's Securities Exchange Commission is a highly regulated entity. So we plan on doing this with what's called a Reg A tier two raise capital raise. And what that means is that Reg A plus Reg A tier two. Reg A plus tier two. And that gives us the ability to to raise capital from accredited and non accredited individuals up to the point of fifty million dollars in a twelve month period. So our plan is there's another concept in the in the SEC. Whenever you do capital raises with non accredited people, there's a great assumption and the SEC uses the word sophisticated investor. It makes the the a very racialized statement that wealthy people are sophisticated or smart. So and then if there's a requirement that these individuals have to have a relate, you have to have a pre existing relationship with them in order to raise the money. So we've created something like an investment syndicate, an online community tool. We're in the process of creating that. And so when we invite people in, there's a process of education, orientation, exposure to conversations like this, like through a series of videos or education materials, kind of like masterclass masterclass. Cool. So individuals learn more about the type of investment, their actual origins and their state that that was in the industry as originators, such as nearest green, those kind of examples. And so when we after a period of time of doing that and networking with these individuals, we've been traveling to the cities. So the plan is roughly, you know, 10 cities, I'm calling them chocolate cities, cities where predominantly there's a strong, you know, black population. And the reason for that is that as legalization has moved from the West, we notice that it started or it moved very quickly to recreational. But as it's moving to the Midwest and to the South, it starts as medicinal. And so that medicinal within itself, adding to the already existing almost non-negotiable barriers of entry, the fact that it's medicinal makes it very difficult to because then the prereq is that you would have to be an operator have would have had to have massive public health experience experience dealing with an entire state. So that rules out, you know, mom and pops or another black individual who just got money, who has money. So we're watching that and we're noticing that. So a way for us to, to, you know, to counter that situation is by pooling the money's nationwide. So what we've done is we've looked at like 10 cities. And the goal is if we could raise that we're not locked into this because we have different denominations of people's ability to contribute. But roughly just so we can show how doable the number is the 50 million is in 10 cities, 1000 people who give $5,000. That's $50 million. And then we invest with those individuals, let's say a company 10 cities, 1000 people, $5,000. That's 50 million. That's so now we have buying power. There it is. We're our own social equity program as opposed to waiting for what takes place. So that's that's that's the process. And we function not as an MSO, but something like a CMO, a cannabis management organization. You see in the dental industry, there's a DSOs. And what they do is they provide back office, you know, services and management services hiring, firing human resource and so on and so on, to dental offices. And so that's the service will perform because most individuals who were in the game, now ready to get into the business, they grew it, they sold it. Yeah, you know, the that's a different, you know, thing with all the regulation and the accounting and compliance. So that's what we provide for those individuals who have the license. Because right now, what's happening in social equity is that the license are literally purchasable. If you obtain them by the bigger companies, and they keep a blackface out for the purpose of blackface to sustain the equity licenses. So that's how we up will roll out. And so we have a we kind of I think we we we serve a greater purpose by not taking over a person's business, but we're we provide support. So yeah, that's that's the ambition. That's the goal. Epic. So then 10 cities, 1000 people in each city, $5,000 to get in, you guys handle this back office work, so they don't have to worry so much you handle the educational piece, the masterclass pieces they get in so they better understand what's going CMO Cannabis Management Organization. And then what happens with the fund with the 50 million? How does that get allocated for ensuring excellent returns? Right. Well, let's say you you have a license. We're we've had several offers from different places so far that we're actually considering having conversations with. Let's say in Michigan right now or Chicago, you have a cultivation license and processing or extraction license. What we would do is we would we would assist we would create a contract or negotiate what the relationship is and hypothetically speaking, let's say we will purchase the equipment for extraction. We will bring, you know, highly trained personnel from who know how to extract in compliance with that particular ordinance or that state, you know, regulation. And we would provide that training. We would provide the the the the setup the negotiate the lease of the of the particular real estate that you're using, which we're totally your back office. We handle all the the business of cannabis for you and manage that train higher fire, all of that, the record keeping the taxes and so on and so on. And if your expertise was growing cannabis, that can remain your expertise. And then that you still a part of the re up process. So everyone that's doing their thing in the cannabis industry that also puts in is a joint venture venture between all those people, that's it from the all those cities. Yes, and you manage like a macro perspective of what's happening between growers and dispensaries and read the real estate side and the transactions and then giving people dividends as you guys. Exactly. We handle all of that in so our investor pool reaps the benefits of us making sure that we manage, you know, the bottom line of that business who may never have had to to deal with the regular regulatory aspects of growing cannabis, extracting cannabis, making addables, selling addables. We handle those those parts to keep them in compliance because it's it's it's highly regulated. It's highly regulated everywhere. People it's manifesting differently. Matter of fact, in Georgia, where we have what's called HB 324, there are no dispensaries. It's going to be the product will be dispensed through pharmacies, which is which is in the whole state of Georgia state of Georgia. There are no dispensaries. It's going to be dispensed through pharmacies. Yeah, so how that's going to roll out. We no one has any ideas. I don't even know they have who wrote that legislation. It's another good question. Yeah. Who's behind that and why like what's the what's the agenda behind that because once again that manifest as an interestingly difficult barrier to entry for that that black city. So, you know, we have black pharmacists, you know, so we're just watching how it goes. But I think the most significant thing about REUP is that we're a a campaign, a business, a movement of readiness. And readiness is interesting because we participated in the early stages of or as a witness to the early stages of the social equity program in Oakland and in San Francisco. My critique of these model social equity programs is that they are they they're going to the time it takes for them to have for them to to to activate what they want to do to create social equity. The game is so far ahead, you know, it's so far gone. It's it's beyond, you know, smoking or whatever. So therefore, like I think you mentioned, or I've heard people at the conference mentioned, you know, Snoop and and other rappers and such that the only way for us to participate in the legal industry is as though it was still illegal. In other words, we participate as in my opinion as caricature in this business in this industry, whereas our imagery is still about, you know, how high we can get and how blow we are when we're doing something, as opposed to the medicinal aspects of it, the high science related to it. Yeah. And the high tech that's going to be needed, you know, in it. And so like literally, Snoop was just way more on the health and wellness side or more on the high science side or on the hey, go and put in the 5k and to re up a side of things. Yes, we would love that, you know, our celebrities, those individuals who can kick, catch, throw and jump, you know, sing, dance, rap would, you know, join us. And we have individuals who are in the process of doing that as influencers to move us to this particular space. And and let's see what we can do when we do what we need to do. Yeah. Wow, that whole the whole idea of this the caricature is just it's it's actually permeating into all different types of people's spirits. Like, really, it's it's about just this like inability for creative flourishing to be optimized. Like I see I see this happening time and time again with emerging markets that instead of having immediately from the ground up these the the storytelling is everything in this scenario. And if you can story tell in a way that lights fires under people's butts to want to endeavor into the emerging market more optimally towards the health and wellness side or towards the high tech and high science side or towards the investment side. It's just that's what catalyzes the snowball effect they tell their friends and stuff. But it's about the stories initially. So actually, these these memes that you paint about what could be are actually one of the key seeds that need to happen. Is that it's a story that needs to be told. And there's no offense to the brothers who are doing what they're doing. It's just simply it's not personal at them. It's just simply you have a greater voice and a greater influence. You know, brothers like killer Mike and Ti those individuals. And then understand that Jay Z is in the business as well. That's what needs to happen to bring another influence in towards, you know, higher social justice issues and even adding the economic, you know, the opportunity for economic and generational wealth as an issue of social justice, which it is, you know, the right of self determination is a social justice issue. So I would like to see more of us turn from signing our names and receiving a check as opposed to, you know, equitized being equitized, you know, but also to source the the companies that are out here that are black and and lend their celebrity to them. And let's move this thing forward as real influences because hip hop is the prime example. You know, no one was thinking of touching a record and moving it back and forth and creating a sound and then but look what it became. It became a privately held billion dollar industry than and ultimately it was appropriated and now it is what it is. So the precedent of what we can create is is clearly there, but also the precedent of what happens, you know, once we create is there also. So we have to be mindful of that. That's what we up is about, you know, reminding us that we did it. We can do it. And what a beautiful place it would be to do it again. And so, you know, when I have these conversations in the presence of white people, I've always asked, you know, so what can we do? My my answer is that you can support and you can support, you can watch, you can not work against what's taking place because it's inevitable that black people will not wait for social equity, but don't check yourself to not feel threatened by black people owning their own culture. It's natural for a group of people to own their own culture. So what we're simply doing is we're fractionalizing the asset of black culture and our relationship to this plant and we're rewiring our our reaction to it as being, you know, victims to it, to having victory over it and creating it into creating an opportunity for generational wealth. And so what I'm saying to, you know, our white peer is that when that happens, you get to experience this once in a lifetime opportunity of the legalization of marijuana. You get the once in a lifetime opportunity to be on the right side of history and not allow this to black people having wealth and controlling their wealth to not feel threatening to you. Yes, yes. So I like the I like the idea of creating the generational wealth by in this sense, fractionalizing and saying, OK, black community, let's get ourselves together in the pieces that we need together in order to be able to take on this emerging market and take on the exponential curve that's coming in to make it so that we can reap the fruits of this and make it so that our kids and their kids get the benefits of what is to I I'm a huge fan of also the way that you just portray the the like don't feel fear about the pie growing and people stepping in that are in a sense different from you, whether it be we just came back from three weeks of partnership interviews in China and there's way too much crap happening about people haven't even visited the countries before and there's hatred flying around. It's like you don't you got to go and visit, make friends, and then you'll see how this is love. It's love and then you and then it's all and then it's like let China have their growing pie. Let Black America have their growing pie and also grow your own and your family's pies as well. And just and that mentality of not having fear around that, but rather having vast abundance that just is just so big that it's able to be shared with everyone is that's the future that we want to go plus there's the average the median age in Africa right now is 18. Yeah. Yeah. And that market again, it's like what are you going to do with a billion people, especially young people that have you that have the creative potential to to take care of things like the massive rainforest in the Congo that have the potential to do things like leverage all the incredible natural resources that are in the the content of Africa, but also the the creative potential of all the philosophical, the scientific ideas that are about to erupt from it as well. So what are your thoughts about about that? I'm interested here. We can think about that. I think that as it relates to Africa, I think that Africa is the central ground for for the future. I think that Africans in the in the Western Hemisphere are the most integral people to the future of Africa. And not to make the continental African, you know, my brothers and sisters insignificant, I'm saying that the coming home you know, process, the meeting of those two persons when we began to share notes. Yeah, it's going to be a massive thing. And I think the the rest of the world is going to have to watch. There's an interest in our guys has taken place, you know, whether you agree with Obama's politics or not, a black man as the leader of the quote unquote free world is highly symbolic. My daughter grew up when there was a black president. She doesn't even know anything about that there was could be anything else. Spider-Man is black in her lifetime. So it's a different philosophy. And we were yet to see the effects of that. But we're kind of seeing it even again back to hip hop. Individuals have figured it out. I don't need to sign a contract. I will point and click and make this video and then I will tour and I will earn money. People are are cutting out the this the slavery process. And big, big America, corporate America hasn't figured it out yet. And so Africa, I always use the analogy about Africa in this sense that Africa emerged on the cell phone game when it was digital, never experienced analog. So we're we just don't have the cameras pointed at Africa, you know, to see just how how creative the African intellect. We're the first people on the planet. At this point, nobody denies that except, you know, Bubba and a couple other guys, you know, and other people who can't relate, you know, but there's something to be said about that, a lot to be said. So I think Africa is by necessity becoming its own thing. It's like the quote unquote, the modern world, the more progressive world is is running at a breakneck speed. And it's Africa's wisdom to not try and catch up or feel that it's outdated. It's to let them go ahead and crash into what they're doing. And since you mentioned an international view, I think it was the president of Brazil, De Silva. He was making a comment some years ago about the whole the world banking institution that crippled the world for a moment there, you know. And he said that he didn't he didn't know any black or brown bankers. He said this world has been brought to his knees by by blue eyed males, because they portrayed that they understood and knew what they were doing and didn't. I only say that to say is that to answer your question that Africa is the future. But it's not an Africa under you know, this this this new age colonial idea of Africa, not another scramble. No, it's it's an Africa that that's thinking clearly and thinking and centering Africa in all of its endeavors. So you can't hold back, you know, a nation of youth who are who are who are you that's what youth does it creates. So yes, I think it's the largest population of a continent of youth in the world. Yeah. So there's no way that the world can be the same with with that being the new influencers. So that's my take. I love that. I love your perspective on the sharing of notes that will be so beautiful when that when that happens. That's that's I love that. And just the unlocking of the creative potential. So excited for that. There's two questions that we like asking our guests on the way out of the show. The first question is, do you think that we're in a simulation? Explain your question again to me. Do you think that this reality is a simulation? So this is the matrix like question. I think it's a I think it is simply because it doesn't have to exist. You know, we live in the world as you see it right now is the world that white males made. There's proof that even the concept is self admitting to say that there's a first world, second world and a third world. And actually, it's the other way around. Third world countries, most likely are the first world countries. And so the the simulation in my from my perspective is the thought that America is a first world country when it's not a first world culture. So yes, I agree that is a simulation. And would it be that the quote unquote, these third world countries, would it be that their moment to moment adoration of existence is that's why it's the that's why that would be like the first world versus being caught in the economic machinery in the first world? Is that or why would you select that the third world is actually the first world? Because I mean, just historically, it was here first, you know, Africa was here first. So all the perceptions of world and culture and people and humanity would have come from the first people. It's just simple. My my children know that I created them by virtue of just, you know, I've always been there. So the first world has concepts of having been first, that just it's just it's just a matter of who's telling the story. So I think there's a there's a African proverb that you know, when lions are historians, tales of the hunt, when no longer favor the hunter, that's it. Yeah, that's a great proverb. I like that. Yeah. Okay. And then the last question is, what do you think is the most beautiful thing in the world? Free black people. Yeah, even you like free black people. It's just what it is. You love it. You love to see us doing what we do. Yeah. Authentically, you know, I always say the fist bump is much cooler than the half. Look at that. That didn't even look cool. You see so us being free. And then in you being able to interact with us in our most authentic selves ultimately it relaxes you know, okay. So the more we interact, it's going to be hard for a generation or two to have the pictures of us on the wall being what we are and listening to the music that then walk away and do what their fathers have done. I'm certain through time and osmosis of that interaction is that that won't I think white kids are waking up and realizing that they've been lied to also. And it's happening. Yeah, it's happening. So that to me that's the most beautiful thing in the world. I love it. I love it. This in addition to my two daughters in addition to the family and the daughters. Yeah, I love this. The vision of what we see in like a united nations where we have representation of people from Asia, people from Europe, people from Latin America, people from Africa, women, like when we see stuff like that in the cannabis industry or the blockchain and cryptocurrency space, all these emerging markets that are happening. That's when we can tell that there's true equity of the fruits being distributed. I don't know about that because diversity is an appearance as when people use it right now, it's like a quota or an appearance. The true diversity is not people showing up and appearing. The true diversity is people show up as they are and do what they do and receive what they receive in an equitable way, not the appearance. Because you can place a bunch of people in the room and say, look, look at our board. It's the diversity picture. It's the white guy in Africa who takes the picture with the black children. He looks diversified. But he gets on a plane and he leaves. And whatever he created or whatever he did or people who look like him did, he leaves the situation as it is. So a lot of these companies are striving for diversity as a photo op. That's what that's the caricature of the past and of the future is when it actually is all those people have roles they're actually filling in a meritocracy in those positions. That would be that's in there in there as the authentic selves. Not as, you know, ceremonially photo op. Yes, that's it. All right. Thanks so much. This is it's so fun. What a great episode. Thanks everyone for tuning in. We greatly appreciate you'd love to hear your thoughts in the comments below in the episode. Let us know what you're thinking. Check out the links in the bio to re up into Melix work. Check out all of those links everyone. Check out the links in the bio to new West Summit. I'll support the artists, the entrepreneurs, the leaders in your communities that you believe in help them flourish. 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