 This is Will Spencer with the renaissance of men here with the new 21 report and Arthur Kwan Lee Thank you for having me. How you doing Arthur? I'm doing fabulous. How was your first 21 convention experience? It's amazing the Gathering of men who want to improve themselves and take back to culture is really inspiring What was the subject of your talk? I came to talk about how Men on the right side of the aisle, I don't mean politically whether you want to preserve tradition Whether you have religious orientation or whether you want to improve brotherhood and communion associated with it You need to take back the arts and I don't mean specifically visual arts. I know that's my modality. It could be Acting writing what have you but the idea that we need to start influencing the youth and beyond With the culture, you know, the data is all there, but with the culture is I think where the real battle is won What are some of the ways that we should influence influence them culturally? the production of excellence is Should be the foundation and then once that excellence is there we need to obliquely Be public about our views and I think the biggest challenge or a Critical challenge we need to dismantle is the notion of social camouflage We need to be able to be public about what we privately feel in our hearts and Emiliate that dissonance. That's the only way we can really You know Acknowledge one another properly and grow from there Save more about social camouflage and how that shows up at what and what's being camouflaged? So Jordan Pearson talks about this how You know a zebra has camouflage against the herd, right? It's not necessarily that he has camouflage You know, it's it's black stripes on a white horse, right? So he pops out actually he doesn't blend in the great with the grass but if you see a stack of zebras together then you can't identify one and he brought up this study that the Scientist put one red dot on one of the zebras and the first thing that happened was the lions attacked it and And I look at that as a metaphor the lions in this case Strangely enough are is a radical left and the person who is not being invisible Tanner talks about this That is the person who is standing for what's right But if we all stand up for what's right and they won't be able to castigate a single one of us, so We need to consolidate, you know, we need to be willing to risk being Cancelled so that that's that's how you become uncancelable. You need to first take that risk towards You know Standing the line between picking up the sword, right? Before we move on I have a really important question sure Is it black stripes on a white horse or white stripes in a black horse? That is the question See we're getting a metaphysical So I just had to ask that Well, so what are some of the values that we need to surface as men? Because it's not about it sounds like you're saying it's not about an individual standing up and and taking off his social camouflage But many individual men standing up and taking off their social camouflage and standing together That's a zebra metaphor. So what are some of the values that you think we need to represent when we remove our social camouflage? well In this case we're talking about men doing so right and the brotherhood associated with it So so that question implies two things first is the support system, you know It's a really important that men can really openly support one another As we go forward we live in an anti-masculine age so Frankly it needs to Seem like it's okay. I know that sounds crazy But we're at a time where to be a man today to be defector of the dominant narrative So we they need to feel that okay. I'm not the only one that already goes far I think that that already covers a lot, but with that said We need to be able to properly identify with the definition What is masculinity if you can articulate something you understand it and masculinity is a big part of it is being able to recognize Objective standards boundaries and expectations something about drawing the line That's why William Blake all of these You know religiously inspired artists every time they depict God as his wise old man. He's always drawing lines Literally and it's kind of synonymous with that idea So I think men need to be able to first of all understand that we're the ones who set those boundaries up. We're the ones who Make it clear. What's wrong and right order, right? so We need to be able to first Collectively understand that is the role of man and then and if we can Support each other in that journey then whatever form that takes format again. I'm doing it in the arts You're doing it as a leader in renaissance of men. There's different ways to do so, but it's the same Nucleus, right? It's it's Saying hey with you know, we have to recognize this is a boundary you do not cross this right and I think that's a big part of masculinity and today that's Recognized as conservatism in many ways You know, I'm not even a hard line conservative guy. I'm an anarchist myself, but I vote right But today, uh, it's it's about preserving tradition and recognizing the patterns associated with it What are the most important ways to bring boundaries back into the lives of individual men? So we're talking about drawing to collective boundaries as a society Politically where some of the ways that we as men can begin that process of setting boundaries on the on the micro scale, let's say Yeah, I think that the micro versus macro difference comes from personal versus public right and Get under the squat rack You know, it boils down to this is I Would I would almost bet Before you ask a man, what are your political dispositions? What are you religiously any of these big large matter questions? If they're exercising regularly if they're eating relatively healthy if they go to church You know, if they have good brotherhood, they're gonna automatically have the values that are synonymous with what is a proper way to live So that's that's what I mean by culture culture dictates a lot of this It tells you what the norm is so if they can kind of live based on what they see and experience and take in food for the soul Take in and digest that and live that out then they're gonna naturally have, you know These higher ideals that we're all aiming towards so I think if we can exercise squats and steaks and the Bible Something of that sort. I don't want to be so minimalist in that way, but but there's something in there where You know, all of our ancestors all these wise men have been basically telling us hey the pattern here and A lot of us are just saying no, you know, I'm good and I think that a big a Big way we can wake up especially young men is We need to try to tell them this information not in this wagging finger way Like but more that it's so much more fun if you can actualize these principles and That's what all the speakers. That's what you and I are doing, right? We're trying to do it with with these different Forms of expression, but it's that same spirit, which is guys, you know, I'm not telling you to do this because I'm jealous of your youth or some Peter Pan thing I'm telling you to do so because this is how you become stronger and you can have more sovereignty over your domain You can extend it actually, right? Yeah, so you talk about boundaries How does that apply to your work because on a casual observer level it would seem that your work is quite chaotic visually It's visually chaotic, but where are the how do the boundaries show up in your in your paintings? Very good question So there's a important Universality when it comes to art making and this applies again any any art doesn't matter if it's painting or something You can replace anything. I say with a different thing combi acting whatever you need to learn the rules or break the rules So you need to understand the boundaries and then once you can draw that line Then you can comfortably go a little bit beyond and take what you need to come back in, right? so my whole thing is You know, one of the fundamentals get the tool belt spoon proportion color theory value Perspective get all this tool set then use that to create your own voice. So You can't as an artist just live in the chaos, right? You need to be able to have Actually sufficient ego in many ways to and and the weaponry to go to that unknown and to bring it back to base reality and Being an artist in the masculine traditional like religious side just that whole sentiment It's strange because you're living in chaos because the openness associated with being an artist But you're trying to in that chaos bring back order in a way, you know That the problem with artists on the left is they just live in that chaos And they just package it and then they just try to find vain ways of expressing it for themselves This is how I live in this chaos rather than going, you know going to that other side It's like a bodhisattva or an evangelist or something. You're you're getting that experience Using your artistic means to repackage it for the public But there's a discipline and order associated with it And I think the the the main line I'm talking about to understand these boundaries as an artist is Discipline you need discipline and you need to learn the fundamentals and then you you know again My art my style is is very chaotic. There is multiple layers of gestural mark making and color theory And I am stacking as much as I can influence from so many different sources. But with that said it's all nested with Foundations things I've learned from my masters things. I've trained an apprentice for so I'm using that technical foundation and and Kind of dancing with that order and chaos if that makes sense. That's kind of the the language that I'm exploring Yeah, I Think for a lot of men art can feel very out of reach they go to galleries and they have They have paintings on the white walls and everything is very quiet and it's very It's very shh, you know And you go to the the the famous art museums and everything feels very stiff and curated and very high-minded Or they deal with snobs in the art world or you know Or men who men and women, you know, regardless some sort of Dictatorial stance and it's like it has the effect of taking art out of the reach of the average of the average man Someone who could benefit from it greatly So how can we begin to bring art back into the reach of the average of the average man? Number one, that's what you said is one of the great shames in our culture today the fact that men feel like art is this You know Difficult thing to experience our should be for everyone and a big problem with this industry today is like you said it Bleeds a pretentiousness in elitism You know, you're not a part of the cool kids club. You can't come experience this art. You don't get it No, we get it. It's actually the other way around. So what we need to do is Number one the material we need to go back towards art that is symbolically oriented and trying to communicate with the unconscious Symbolically That's transcendental art right there That's how you sort of nest that language and if you can do it with a higher skill set boom people are going to be influenced So that's the content driven aspect of it in number two the gatekeepers and the pillars cannot be all on the side of the radical left and The percentages speak for themselves. There's too many people that are in the industry that basically Want young artists Who want to preserve tradition who want to yield their brush towards the logos and they say no Well, this has to support BLM or how does this support the LGBTQ movement? And it's just the woke is and this is so dialed up That we need to start participating in the cultural front and people I don't want to just say on the right but anybody who acknowledges You know and preserves and protects Freedom of speech the right to bear arms in the family Whatever, however you define beyond that. That's fine. But acknowledging those fundamental pillars Those people need to start participating in the cultural front start becoming curators Stop it start becoming critics start participating in the cultural end because all the young artists Who believe in decency who want to preserve tradition who want to use your artistic means to fight for what we talk about Are lining up to the Leviathan they just are they're going to the radical left and because they're thinking about their income They're gonna blend in the way I did Social camouflage beta male shit. They're gonna blend in Which by accepting that they are already poisoning their artistic spirit. So we need to start having new channels That will support these ideals and then with that in mind the artists themselves Need to produce work. That is at that caliber. So we need both the situational and at the individual level address properly. Otherwise They're gonna own the arts Continue to do so When did you first realize that the art world that you had been trained into was actually a front in a larger war? Say a cultural war, maybe even a transcendent war. What did you when did that really crystallize for you our university? Oh, wow. Yeah, I remember when I went to art school. I Was brought up under a Christian household with specific philosophies that Really, you know led my life as my compass I built up this set of values in the hierarchy and when I go to art school that teaching me post-modern doctrine That is all about saying this is all shit right and I couldn't help but realize At a gut level When are we gonna paint? Like this is all theory. This is all art theory taking these classes about, you know systemic racism and Intersectionality you like you had like lecture-based classes about these things before you got into the studio Five to one five classes were were theory humanities all this interpretive. Yeah. Yeah, it was it was uh, it was deafening and When I was in university the people asked me You know, are you you know, are you liberal or whatever you're gonna call it? I would say yes, sure Because I just said I just didn't know anything and I was surrounded exactly but I've come to see that the subject matter in the art that I'm attracted to itself It's all about using your art to point towards a transcendent morality. That's what it's all about. So my whole thing was you know what? This is all crap and I start to look into the history of art schools themselves You know, we all know the juxtaposition about universities today. Some people say It's all a waste of time It's all you just sending your children to be radically brainwashed by the left and some people say well No, it's still necessary. There's value in it. I think if you're studying a system Mechanical engineering law Medicine you need to know the ins and now I get that that requires a tremendous amount of education. I get that but if it's art Painting dancing and all that it's argumentative. It depends where you go and I'll tell you for me I don't know what I did in art school. I didn't become a stronger artist. I did not They just wanted to use me and Art to the radical left is an arm of the state. It's not a religious song and I believe that You know just to study the institutional roots of it is created by the Frankfurt School John Murphy wrote art and the social world and All these art theorists they use his writings as a substrate for the right for all the new books that they're publishing Art education used to be a tillier base, right? You go in there. It's like any other trade school. You study like a you want to be a car mechanic You know, I'm plumbing you learn the trade and then you market it and the reputation goes wrong Art universities are specifically designed to deteriorate our social cohesion specifically so because if you can Make beauty degenerate if we lose our sense of beauty We lose our humanity Did you find that the men here were receptive to your message and the things that you were crying out for it? Wow, you're like it's about time. Wow, and and like, you know, I get it. This is The matters here is huge Fabulous beautiful but We need a place for the artists and and enlightenment is not complete until all of them come in need the doctors right we need a religious men we need the warriors and We need the artists we need all of us to come in and we need to all say that essentially the sentimental same thing Which is return to the father go within Santa for your valleys How do we make more men into artists at any level? Obviously not necessarily needing to be at your level, but just how to become artists in our day-to-day lives the first thing is So much so many men who are centered for what's right is Percentage-wise, I mean, there's a lot of people on the right side of our conservatives, right? And we need to first have conservatives understand that every investment should not be in the lens of your capitalist pursuit Be a capitalist. I get it. We have I mean I'm not I'm not being woke at all, but my point is that It makes you have this psychological frame of looking at every investment based on the ROI you get How many more digits do I have in my back account? Well, if you want to participate in the cultural front, you have to do what the left does which they are so effectively Dominating us on which is you participate in the culture because that's how you have your hands on the steering wheel of actual influence That's the first thing Participate in the cultural front for its own sake. That's the first thing and that's gonna take in many different forms And then depending on how they want to participate whether they would they want to be Host a show like yourself where they want to pick up a brush or whatever the medium is I always say that every man has an artistic medium. It's just about medium specificity It may not be a painting for an exit. It could be woodworking like my cousin does Um welding Small things, you know, it gets off work and he makes these little sculptures little garden sculptures and he's he's in bliss so you need to kind of find your artistic medium because When people tell me I don't have an artistic bone. I always say that is not true That is not true. You just haven't found your medium. Maybe it's not drawing for you Maybe it's picking up a guitar that your neighbor has been saying I'll teach for you for free for a while You know, maybe you follow up on that. I don't know what it is, but I truly believe everyone has an artistic outlet or Has a love of art itself and you can support, you know by becoming a patron or you have a neighbor who's a You know, he looks at you as a mentor and he needs 20 bucks a month for some art materials and he's young guy Who knows but participate in the cultural front because there's so much novelty there and Half the battle will be won there That's that's the only reason why the left is so effective because they own the culture. So if we start seeing that territory They don't like that at all, right and I've experienced that personally You said something interesting you said He's in bliss say more about that talking about your artist friend. Yeah, you know, it's funny because I Often say a man need to find a discipline that they love more than sex and that will make women naturally fall into the right place When I'm painting If my girl is like horny or something and I'm and I'm and I'm loving this moment. I tell her sweetie. I'm painting not right now right, so I Don't know if this is a good example or not. Let's say you see somebody Who took a psychedelic and they're in the corner, but they're like they're in bliss and there's nothing around them That's going on but it's in here, right? That's the same thing. There's pleasures of the body Sexual intercourse good food nice cigars that we had right there's all these there's all these different forms of physical pleasure, but the greatest pleasure and all the all these You know these books on masculinity and right of passages have been talking about this Is the ascitation of a skill a discipline? That is the greatest pleasure You know you walk you walk out of your jiu-jitsu class and your feet are dragging because you had such an intense class But you feel good because you did some work, right same feeling The pride associated with it and I don't mean pride is us against them I'm here and you're there and I'm this one-up in shifting. I mean pride of a skill You're proud of the fact that You're developing and you're improving and you're conscientious about your improvement to and damn you're getting deadly Like I think the most the pleasure at most highest pleasures I've ever had Is all my artistic means came together and I can reflect upon and say you know They're good, you know, that's the greatest pleasure and we need to understand mastery of a skill is a way greater pleasure Then the pleasures of the body and we should participate in both, but we should acknowledge the hierarchy for what it is Yeah, what do you say to men and women who look at the monastery and say oh, it's just a bunch of Macho jerks, you know meat heads You're talking about something very different You look at 20 convention. Yeah, yeah, you know, I'm I'll tell you right now I'm at the 21 convention as a classically trained fine artist who's exhibited internationally. So Yeah, I mean you can't stick those labels on me You know, I mean I want artists of the year like like I went through all those right of passages So, I mean and I've met so many men here speakers and attendees you know from all these different vantage points backgrounds, you know careers, whatever it is and The fact that they're doing this wholesale view and writing us all off. It's with one identity I mean, it's kind of reflect the reflection of themselves, honestly And haters are gonna hate because I don't think they understand the first thing about it if you talk to any of these men here, we all want to stand up for what's right and The Manisphere is evolving and it's evolving into a deeply religious one and I don't know if they will the whole manister will like that but I Would say it'll be better off that way Agree, right? Yeah Where can people go to find out more about you and what you do? Yeah? absolutely my Arthur Kwon Lee Arthur Kwon Lee comm and the Genesis Council if you want to be a part of an artist's collective You know iron sharpens iron every way when a train in the gym with somebody who's Very athletic and sound you're gonna get stronger training with them You want to train martial arts with someone you got a train spar with them if you want to be around other artists who want to support preserving tradition? The only place there is is Genesis Council as well So if you like my work look up Arthur Kwon Lee and all platforms or my website If you want to join the artist collective Genesis Council, it's good. Thank you I'll bless you. Yeah, I'll bless you This is Will Spencer with the Renaissance of Men here with the new 21 report and Arthur Kwon Lee. Thanks so much