 ready to get your show Mr. Howard from Henkel. Hello, thanks for coming. Tell us a bit about Henkel briefly. So Henkel, as you probably know, is a very large company which has three divisions which is beauty care, laundry home care and adhesives as well. So we are a part of the adhesive business which is concentrating on electronics and within the electronics we have printed inks which are either silver inks, carbon inks or dielectrics. So what are these? So these are printed heaters which has a silver bus bar with the line track silver with a PTC carbon ink print on top of it which has the functionality that it will go up to a certain temperature and then it's stabilized. So it has a positive temperature coefficient which then stabilizes on a certain temperature and it will never over burn the circuit as such. So what is the application word that we use then? So this could be used in car heaters, seat heaters. It could be used as a floor heater element under carpet. You can use it in an aquarium as well to heat up the water of the aquarium for instance. So if it's sealed, like it's sealed here, you can also dip it in water. As it looks like you also have stretchable inks here which are being tested in this bend tester. Is that a relatively new product? It is still in development the product. So this material is printed on a tape and has a very high allegation rate. So in that sense you can print it on a surface and then bend it over in every form that you like so that you can be able to incorporate in 3D applications as well. Where do you envisage that being used? Sorry? Where do you envisage that being used? Well this could be used for antennas for instance in cars. This could be used for every 3D dimension application that you will have to have to have a line track. So what have you got on the show here? So this is a wearable medical device with 7 materials from Henkel Incorporated in the design which is an ECG sensor picking up data from the body and then transmitting it to the electronics which is a medical device. So these are the sensor electrodes and there would be the power supply and transmission within the electronics was removable. Exactly. And how long would that be envisaged to be applied to a person? Is that for 12 hours or so? No this is normally for somebody admitted in the hospital which can be last for 2 or 3 weeks. Right, okay. And what is this replaced? Does this replace a wired version? Exactly. Right, so really untethering the patient. That's really nice. And these are a list of all your materials going into that product? Indeed. So this is a list of all the materials that are incorporated within this design and are compatible with each other as well. And I see you're also working on in-model electronics over here which is I think a really exciting topic. But how far do you think away from market in-model electronics is? When do you think we'll actually start seeing these in the automotive industry or white goods appliances? Well I definitely think this is a large, large market for us in the sense that you, as soon as you have the design freedom of using these materials in every shape and form and also have a certain temperature stability in terms of requirement, you can be basically everything in the design, right? Right. So how do you work with supplies to bring this technology to market? You're an ink supplier but can you help with pull-through marketing so to speak? Do you also approach the end users to encourage their interest in this? Definitely. So we work together with off-customers and also institutes to develop and develop materials which are required in the market in terms of design capability and also the requirements in terms of processability of the materials. Right. And then you can start the joint development with the end customer to understand their needs and then producing material accordingly. Right. What are the biggest challenges for you in creating these materials? I would say definitely the flexibility of the materials in terms of bendable and then still have a high conductivity is a challenge for us. So in the end you still need the silver material which has a high conductivity in terms of functionality and then also be bendable. An ankle of course has been supplying conductive inks for a long time. You've been in the Printed Enterprise industry for 10 years plus I think. So where are your mature markets? Where are you currently selling a lot of your silver ink to? What sort of sectors are using it today? So it's the medical sector, the automotive sector and also the industrial sector but the vast majority is in automotive and medical for the inks. Missalwa, thank you very much. Thank you very much. Thank you. Was it any good? Yeah, it was perfect.