 I was deciding if I'm worthy and that's why I love Kabucha Why? Because you get energized Oh, it's it's a nice alternative to pop and I'm not calling it soda. I'm from Chicago. It's pop You know what I'm going to Chicago today Are you serious? Yes? I am right up to the show. I fly to Chicago I'm going in a couple weeks. I think I haven't confirmed it yet. I actually this is for work I won't be on DTNS tomorrow But I know I know try not to cry, but um, I get it I you know, I land it in excuse me 10 30 p.m. Tonight I work all day tomorrow and I'm back on a flight to LA tomorrow night So I will see zero things in Chicago. That's a lot of airplane in the small amount of time It's a lot of airplane and yeah, there's not a lot of Chicago going on but um But I will be there If anyone wants to high-five me at lunch when I'm outside for two seconds, please It's a small town Chicago. Yeah, you'll see me. You'll see her. Yeah, I Did that one on the smallest really? I was gonna do that sweet tonight. I just heard what you said small town. Okay. Yeah You know just somewhere off the loop somewhere. Oh, yeah, just the loop itself is Yes ridiculous maze I I actually I I'm actually bummed that I couldn't find a way to make the trip longer because it's been It's been a few years since I've been in Chicago and I really like the city. Is it your kind of town? Oh sure is I Love Chicago. I mean the summer can be a little small terrain, but I mean But it's just I just love yeah, it's sort of like it's very social and the neighborhood Nice place to visit and I say that some of you live here. Yeah Right. It's Tom knows he's from Indiana. Yeah Chicago mr. Chicago I Love my people in the Southern Illinois. He says oh, yeah from Chicago. I'm like, oh, where are you from? Oh, people are whatever my folks in southern Illinois have say I'm from Illinois not Chicago Because they make everybody always assumes Chicago, right? Yeah. Okay. Good point. So I know but I think there is sort of a like there's a dividing line around Springfield We're like north of Springfield people like I'm pretty much from Chicago and people from Chicago like no, no, you're not you're from Bloomington That's where Right. Yeah. Well, that would be like I Don't know if someone from San Jose is like I'm from San Francisco. You're like what but it's you know It's the same big area, but they're not the same. It depends on who you're talking to a lot of times Yeah, people who have no knowledge whatsoever in the Midwest. I'll say I'm basically from St. Louis because that's the closest major city But then they think then people from St. Louis are like no, you're not You can't win when I used to tell people when I was When I'm in a different state where I'm from it's like, oh, are you actually from San Francisco? Or are you just from around like no, I'm actually from the city. I get asked that too about Chicago I'm from the city They what part and then if they say Glen Forest Eagle Forest Park Oak, then you're like, no, you're not We can talk about Chicago when we're done I promise It sounds like a podcast man In three two Daily tech news show is better because of you to find out more head to daily tech news show comm slash support This is the Daily Tech News for Monday July 9th 2018 in Los Angeles. I'm Tom Merritt and from studio feline where it's well terrain I'm Sarah Lane and I'm also hot in here. I'm Lamar Wilson Also, someone who's hot is our producer Roger Chang. How hot are you Roger? I'm incredibly hot, but I'm also very warm because the temperature in my locale is We are not going to take Nellie's advice we promise but we are going to talk about some interesting stuff on today's show I'm gonna try to explain a little bit about Andy Patrizio's article on the future of chips at ours technica we're gonna talk a little bit about a Eye and how it might have an impact on white-colored jobs a little bit about the polar breach shall me and more But let's start with a few tech things you should know Intel is denying at least part of a c-tech report from last week that we actually passed on that Apple had decided not to use an Intel 5g modem called sunny peak in future iPhones C-tech updated its report to clarify that sunny peak was not in fact a 5g modem and did not combine 5g Wi-Fi and Bluetooth on one chip only a combined Wi-Fi and Bluetooth chip Sources tell Rico the Groupon is looking to sell and has ramped up its efforts in recent months now 2011 Groupon had the second largest IPO for tech company at the time put in the company's valuation at 16 billion today Groupon is valued at 2.4 billion as the daily or daily deals market has waned muscle around That's why it's only worth it based in Chicago inferred Microsoft tweeted a picture of its current surface computers with the text where will surface go next and all four Models showed the date of July 10th and the time of 6 a.m. On their screens leading folks to guess Oh, so you're gonna announce new surface models Tuesday morning. I get it Bloomberg reported previously back in May that Microsoft is planning low-cost surface tablets But I guess we'll find out on Tuesday. Guess we get to get up early. Yeah, that's right Read your feeds as soon as you wake up. All right, let's talk a little bit more about a California law that's proved very popular Oh, yes, indeed. So the folks on the DTS DT NS. That's this show. Hello subreddit are very excited about the California law That went to effect July 1st now the story broke last week But neo Phoenix fire submission has had 55 votes in two days. So we're talking about it now The law says that if a customer accepts an automatic renewal of a service online That the company providing the service must offer a way to cancel online a Pre-written termination email provided by the company does count now the law applies to all companies with customers in the States Can I get a hallelujah on this one? Because I can't I mean I could think of quite a few companies that You know, you want to counsel and they like make you call in and there was even an example in the CNET article about the guy who was calling in for to counselors New York Times description Went to a person who was like had to do the whole training Hey, we love to keep you if you something you know site and he said look I got to go to work Can you just do it after he was on hold for 15 minutes? They hung up on him so he had to call back again and I'll hold another 15 minutes and that has happened. I know it's happened to me I know it's happening to you all too. So that that is a good news. My question is for one of you like Okay, this is just California, which is big. Well, let's apply to the other states as well Yeah, I mean that's one of the things about this law is It applies to any company that does business with California residents and California being so big with two large cities Three large cities depending on how you define it plus It's going to impact almost every national company, right? So if you're you know in the New York Times if you're Amazon, etc You're you're going to have to to pay attention to this now. I Like you have had that experience where I signed up for something online and I had to call them to cancel it That's annoying. I do wonder though if we wouldn't have just got here anyway if they hadn't passed the law I mean, I'm sympathetic to like let's just make everybody do it now But more and more companies like any new company that starts makes it possible for you to cancel online With one exception. I had a rental clothing I was doing that thing where the you pay a certain amount of month They send you new clothes all the time and I wanted to cancel They made me email them to cancel, but I think that still would have counted under this law Because and I was a little annoyed by that. I'm like, can't you just do it in the interface? So I guess if you can do it by email, it could even be easier for the company I'm trying to come up with the downside of this and the downside is some companies are gonna have to incur costs to create a new way Of cancelling Subscriptions, I think a lot of times companies make you call to cancel Because it was just easier for them to implement online ordering than it was to implement a whole other system for online cancellation Well, it was also to make sure that you know that they can do that retention Oh, yeah to try to get you to stay, you know I think the implication is if a company makes it easy to subscribe but makes it hard to unsubscribe Then it's because they're trying to make it so hard that you just don't unsubscribe And I think, you know, yeah in this day and age like you're a mentioning Tom about this, right, you know clothing rental company It's like it's a tech company. They're using all the right tools They're probably not trying to like fool you into staying forever and you know tried to be nefarious about it But I'm trying to think of a situation where I had a really hard time canceling something recently a lot of the stuff that I now subscribe to goes through iTunes Because it's just you know, I don't know. It's an app or it's you know, it's showtime or whatever it is Yeah, it's really easy and it's really easy to unsubscribe didn't used to be that way I remember a time where it was like, oh gosh, you know, I got it Yeah, like you want to cancel a gym membership It's like you have to give your first born up in order to not get charged every month But I find that to be fewer and fewer the case at least for the stuff that I'm subscribing to but yeah So maybe this law is good as a nudge I know some people are like if you don't need to pass a lot don't and I respect that But I do feel like this is kind of where everything was going just as a matter of competition people like why would I don't want to deal with That company their old-fashioned you can't even cancel them online like I've heard that especially in the court-cutting space, so Yeah, absolutely Fitness app polar appears to be leaking the locations of people in secretive locations such as Intelligence agencies and military bases and airfields. This might sound kind of familiar to you This was a joint investigation between at billing cat and judge Dutch journalism platform at decor respondant That's a report from them back in January the fitness app Strava revealed similar sensitive locations We talked about it here on DTNS polar can feed into the Strava app and others polar updated its privacy policy last August now Accounts do have the default settings set to the most private settings available So you got an opt-in to anything that's less private but it is possible and it was easy for some of the researchers to find a lot of information that they're quite sure that Some of the people in intelligence agencies would not want public the company tells billing cat it recognizes the sensitive nature of the data And decided to temporarily suspend its explore function That's where you could look at a lot of what people were doing and where they were on a map and also allow more ways to delete data history Yeah, this is Strava all over again Just a different company that happens to also work with Strava, but it's the same exact situation There there are some pieces of data that are included with polar that weren't included with Strava So some people like it's actually worse But it's roughly the same which is because I was sharing my run online People could figure out where I was and if I was in a sensitive location, that's not good So I as I said was when we covered the Strava leak. I don't think this is malicious I do think that we have to think harder about these kinds of privacy issues as we roll out new products yeah, and what's With the fitness apps having these privacy problems right right before I signed up for Right after I sign up for fitness pep my fitness pal a few months ago I found out that I think a couple weeks back They had this big data breach and I you know they sealed it and everything I didn't I didn't know about it till till I was already in there So I was safe, but it's just I'm constantly hearing about these fitness apps having these problems and like who are the people Handling the security of these things. Why don't I know the day that supports the data breach is just a problem all Sure data are having so I probably watched too many spy shows But but I'm kind of the same way around like you work for you know some sort of intelligence agency You're trying to be under the radar in all ways possible like why are you using a social are you sharing your run? You know If it was not clear that you were sharing your run which a lot of people say I don't know if it is exactly clear or not That's a different story, but it you should be careful when you're involved in anything like that All right last week we discussed a paper from two scientists at Kings College London who said too much attention is focused on determining technological feasibility of automation, but just because something can be automated doesn't mean it will be Let's apply that to a story in the New York Times by Noam Schiber Which no I think did a very good job reporting, but the headlines have leaned in to what the Kings College folks We're talking about the title on the New York Times website was high skilled white-collar work Machines can do that too implying those people are gonna lose their jobs and tech meme even teased it as Algorithms increasingly replace highly skilled white-collar workers as seen in online fashion and retail industries and the ascendance of firms like stitchfix Which absolutely says oh the white-collar jobs are going away And this is what the King College folks were saying just because you have the capability Don't assume that that immediately means all the jobs will go away and when you read Schiber's report It's very balanced He cites Eric Briniel Simpson an economist at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology and Tom Mitchell a Carnegie Mellon computer scientists saying Most of the jobs affected would become partly automated not disappear back that jives with what Kings College was saying last week Latote stitchfix and bomb fell all do have fewer buyers than traditional retail, but they didn't eliminate jobs They just never had them they started with fewer and found different ways to handle it But bomb fell stitchfix and others quoting from the story now Employ a growing army of human stylists who receive recommendations from algorithms about clothes that might work for a customer But decide for themselves what to send so yes, they have fewer buyers They shifted that employment into him buying the into employing stylists to work with the customers And in fact cheetah katua CEO of equal bot an AI managed exchange trade fund predicts that more automation will lead to hiring more Managers he says if I'm the customer explaining what I want humans need to be involved sometimes I don't know what I really want so he thinks what we're going to see is the algorithms automating some of the grunt work of Ordering and negotiating and we hire more people to interface with actual human beings The only stat that was negative in this article Was the Bureau of Labor Statistics expecting employment of wholesale and retail buyers buyers to contract by 2% over a decade But that 2% only in part because of automation. So yeah a small reduction in retail An even smaller amount because of automation, but it looks like those jobs will shift into other somewhat related situations here Well, okay So I knew somebody who worked at a company called Rocks Box, which was based in San Francisco Not totally sure it was around but it said it was sort of a Subscription-based jewelry and accessories type thing like a lot of these companies and From what I understood most of the people working at the company were just kind of you know They were stuffing things and envelopes and and shipping them in and out and there was a lot of volume And so everybody was busy, but it was the kind of thing where you're like Oh, you know, this is supposed to be a service that you know gets to know me and like what earrings would like look really good But you know my kind of style and the eye the it sounded like and this is only one person's opinion But it sounded like the reality was more of just like you're at a shipping center. That's what you're doing So the idea that the people who work at this company and want to and believe in the product and you know The ethos of of why the company started are better off Doing more skilled work. That was what the company was founded in the first place for now I know it they you know, not all companies work the same way, but This sounds to me that yeah, I mean you're gonna eliminate certain certain jobs, right as as AI seems to grow But it helps the people that want to work at those companies in the first place do what they were there to do Better yeah, yeah, yeah, they're shifting from you know working with things to working with people And so as long as that as long as that trend continues and I Tom I thought you did a great job with the summarizing is as long as that trend continues. I Understand the fear I get it But you know and it may take learning a new skill or you know, maybe learning more Custom relations type things, but if people will do the jobs are there people people still need to work with people Regardless, so I don't think that's gonna go away Well, and a lot of times people want that even if even if an algorithm could do it better sometimes you're like I just want to talk to a person. I just want want to be able to feel like I've I'm confirming with a person that this is gonna Always absolutely. All right, let's move on to my browser will comply Which is not complying right now. Okay. All right here. Yes. Sorry about that The Financial Times reports that Apple music has almost as many subscribers as Spotify What did a million of so that's actually really good a year ago Spotify had 4 million more Subscribers than Apple music in the US now Apple music has also been growing faster to Spotify in the UK and Canada Digital music news reported last week that a major music distributor told it Apple had passed Spotify Now the Financial Times says that Apple will end the year with 27 million US subscribers while Spotify will land at about 24 million now worldwide Spotify had 75 million paying subscribers at the end of March to Apple's 50 million now meanwhile Tencent announced it tends to put his music division on the US stock exchange Who knows so who knows what the US may get or that the US may get another competitor in the music Space as well don't count out title Lamar. Yeah, no No, so this is just the article I guess the example I can you know this this is more about my sure Yeah, Apple is creeping up on Spotify and that's great. And that was inevitable, but Here's an example. So I was Jane Smith with Wilson son dropped the album last last night and He dropped it on IGTV and he tweeted about it like all the videos and I was looking at the All the girls complaining that every single one of them was like, why is this not not a spotify? Why is this not a spotify? And so that the mind share with the young people still seems to be That that that's that spotify that I'm not not saying Apple's not gonna grow with them But it's just interesting to see just with that small case that you know Spotify still has has that has in mind share but I don't know is Apple for the Little order crowd than the teenagers. What you know, it well, you know spotify came first spotify is also a Swedish company And had a big market share in in in Europe and other parts of the world before Apple music ever came on the scene It's interesting that Apple music looks as if it may leapfrog and be ahead of Spotify in the US UK and Canada as well those numbers But again, those aren't worldwide Trends there are certain market trends. It's interesting to me because and we've talked about this at nauseam on the show I don't use Spotify. I use Apple music But there's no real good reason that I do that I just picked one and that's the one I use for the most part I think you just sort of go like oh, yeah, I like streaming music services And there's not a lot of going back and forth you pick one and they're mostly the same Yeah, there's some UI differences, but not many for the most part you have the same Music collection in both places and so yeah, you're you're you're a question I don't know why The US would be that you know the market where Apple music is cutting so much into Spotify's share except that at one point spotify was kind of the only one and now There's so many people in the iOS ecosystem that Apple music is just more convenient Well, it wasn't the only one, but it was the one To be a differential as you said other than up being able to upload your own stuff like indie stuff or whatever There really is no difference between the catalogs for the most part with with occasional exclusives and things like that He's Google Play music because it had a locker that I could upload to Supposedly YouTube is gonna keep that when it transitions me over So I'll probably be a YouTube music user because of what you said Sarah because I'm there as long as they don't take any way Thing away significant from me. There's no reason for me to switch Spotify as well as a few other music streaming services have put more effort into being a place where you can also get podcasts I happen to have submitted a podcast to Spotify because it was like, you know, they have to accept you I haven't been accepted. That was like a year ago. I don't really know what the deal is So, you know, who knows what, you know, if there if there's like a big curated thing going on with Spotify But that's definitely something that the company's leading into more Apple, of course has its own Podcast situation and I think all of these companies suffer a little bit from people being like, well, okay So it's a music service, but it's also podcasts and what else do I get and Google Play music Don't even get me started on that. So yeah, it's it's we're still kind of you mean Don't get you started on how awesome it is totally Don't get me started on the naming conventions from within Google. I'm sure Google And if you if you're on iOS, you can't use their podcast. Yeah, you can you can use the podcast if you're an iOS for Google Play music So, you know, that again, see stuff like that Podcasting Yeah, I think it's this is a sticking point for all of us. We're like Let me tell you something else Xiaomi initiated its public offering of stock in Hong Kong on Monday. Yes, it is the Xiaomi IPO opening down at 1660 Hong Kong dollars. That's about two dollars 12 cents US as per share Which is a bit below the IPO price of Hong Kong's $17 no shares closed at $16 80 cents Again, that's Hong Kong after shipping as low slipping as low rather to $16 earlier in the same day so kind of volatile But definitely down on the day Xiaomi's market value is now around 50 billion dollars making it the world's third Largest listed maker of bubble devices. It was previously fourth as of yesterday But went well below the $100. It was saying it expected last year 100 billion rather Yeah, so it's not bad news for Xiaomi so much as it is bad news for China Tower and the I think JD and the the other IPOs that are planning to come to Hong Kong because it's making people a little nervous about IPO on the Hong Kong market because of miss because of that fall But may have nothing to do with that may have to do with just the feelings around Xiaomi and whether they can actually translate their Business model elsewhere. Who knows Hey folks if you want to get all the tech headlines each day in about five minutes Be sure to subscribe to daily tech headlines comm All right, and Andy Patrizio has an excellent article on ours. Technica about the growing competition among chip makers for AI chips He makes a great point of how we sort of think of the chip market is locked down Intel dominates x86 with a little competition from AMD and video dominates GPUs with a little competition for AMD AI processors however are Flooded with competition Intel has purchased nirvana and Movidius Microsoft makes an AI chip itself for the HoloLens Google makes its tensor processing unit that it uses in its cloud Amazon is reportedly working on an AI chip for Amazon voice services Apple's developing a neural engine for Syrian face ID arm and produce new image recognition processors the arm ML and the arm OD processors IBM is developing an AI processor Tesla even hired former AMD and Apple chip engineer Jim Keller And that doesn't even include the startups. That's just the incumbents, right? So there's a Wild West out there And I highly recommend you read Andy's article if you want a deeper knowledge of this But let me summarize some of the important things that he mentions here Obviously all these companies are in it for the potential of growth in sales But there's something else going on x86 is too general for AI and sometimes GPUs are too you hear about GPUs being used For AI, but machine learning makes predictions about data based on what it learned from previous data It doesn't do calculations. So CPUs and GPUs are somewhat overkill They wastefully move data around too much expecting they might need to do so for calculations when instead a Single precision chip with smaller lower power footprint is better for AI Also, there are differentiations in AI chips needed for your phone Which should only draw about a watt for the chip to something in a data center that needs high performance For instance the Nvidia Volta which draws 300 watts, you're not putting that in your phone It also needs to be able to handle the throughput. So it's not just the chip itself. It's a chip set For example, the IBM power 9 uses NV link for interconnects PCI express gen 4 and open cappy for a high bandwidth low latency memory networking storage Etc. So not only are you going to be making these AI chips, but hopefully you'll be making the entire set that works even better and Sorry Intel and a little bit a of DX 86 not keeping up the Intel still shipping its x86 chips with PCI gen 3 That's the previous generation that has half the bandwidth of gen 4 memory bandwidth and IO bandwidth performance are becoming constraints if you're running AI and The software is already there. He has a great section on the fact that software has pretty much been able to do everything It needs to do since the 90s that's been waiting for hardware to catch up with it So a lot of companies are letting the hardware lead in video For instance is developing its software and hardware together. So as the hardware gains capabilities the software adapts to that So where are we going in the future? Well a a lot of this is still vaporware You don't see it out in the world Google Facebook and Microsoft probably aren't actually vaporware, but they're probably only going to ever use their chips for internal use You're not going to see those on the market But you do start to see the Jetson Xavier sock for robots the drive Pegasus for autonomous taxis the drive Xavier for Semi-autonomous cars from NVIDIA all those work with the Isaac sim platform for training Intel is promising its spring crest chips based on the nirvana acquisition in 2019 the lake crest chips are available for developers right now and You may eventually see these things consolidate back into the CPU. So if someone can win the AI chip or Translate that into the chipset Eventually just like math coprocessors and integrated graphics processors went back into the chip and Intel dominated somebody could Come in and take over that market So I just what kind of wanted to run through the explanation there because it is the coming see change in chips It's not about who's going to make the next best greatest x86 chip anymore. In fact, that may be entirely Irrelevant depending on how this goes Whoo So I told you before this is like this is definitely made my head spin when I read this I think it's an interesting which is what you said about the future though that Google Facebook Microsoft will likely just keep this internal that makes sense. They do things that are you know cloud-based You know, they need things to go faster internally You didn't you mentioned Apple. I mean you did not mention Apple there. So is it say Apple seems to be wanting to push that The same thing they're gonna use it for themselves probably not gonna sell their chips to other people they never do Okay, gotcha. Yeah, but the upshot is keep an eye on who starts to lead in this market as it starts to develop because that Could be the next Intel and in the next Intel might be Intel. It's still too early to tell and and you mentioned a consolidation So will the in the next Intel who makes this just get absorbed by Intel or the No Consolidation is once I've won As as the technology gets developed It may be making sense to consolidate it back into the central processing unit at which point It's the head that is an unrelated to who gets to win Well, thanks to everyone who participates in our subreddit a little earlier in the show We talked about the California law that makes it easier to unsubscribe online It was because all the folks in our subreddit said you need to talk about it We listen to you daily tech news show reddit.com is where you can submit and vote on other stories We're also on Facebook Facebook comm slash groups slash daily tech news show Excellent, all right Let's do it Murugas and Ram. I hope I said your name right who's writing to us from India has some feedback on the WhatsApp phenomenon in India we talked about it last week about Literally mob Lenshines that were happening because information was spreading on WhatsApp and possibly bad information. Okay, so he says Within the last couple of years data has become a lot cheaper and a lot more accessible to remote villages Also, elderly folks These are two groups who used to only turn on data sporadically or never have it at all So previously you depended on newspapers or word of mouth for any reliant news now You've got constant data now fake news praise on our worst believable fears I would agree that wherever you live that that's definitely true So now you have a situation where folks forward messages that they receive They perceive is going to help others and they don't necessarily understand the damage It does because it's fake because they're kind of new to the whole thing example Your dad receives a forward saying that a group of folks Including women have come to a place near you from another state or another country with intentions of Kidnapping children and selling them sounds terrible, right? Well in dad's mind He got this from his college group. It seems legitimate He is going to forward it to every single person. He knows because he's trying to help. He's trying to be responsible Murugasen says on the flip side He might be visiting a remote village and you're the person trying to I don't know find a You know a point of interest and you'd offer some kids candy and then all of a sudden somebody thinks you're a kidnapper So you can see where this gets out of control. Yeah That's a great explanation of how someone thinks they're doing they're actually encouraged like oh, I'm gonna help I'm gonna help this bad thing realize it's not a real thing. Yeah, it's not it's not even being irresponsible It's just like oh there are these tools that you know, and we've all seen it before a million ways It doesn't have anything to do with being out of touch It's just if you have a tool that you don't understand super well or you're new to it Yeah, it it tends to yeah, that definitely happened with us when we started this whole forwarding of information Hey, if you flash your lights at night, you can get killed be careful watch out and you know It was kind of things spread like wildfires. So we've gone. What does that mean flash your lights at night? Get killed. Oh you didn't I didn't hear that that was like never flash your brights at somebody Even if they have their brights on because it's a it's a test it if you flash them though They'll jump out and shoot up your car. Yep. Whoa. That was an urban legend I mean, I don't know. Maybe that actually happens. I've never heard that before. No, it really has been around since I was in high school Exactly. Wow Yeah, or the shoes hanging on the telephone wire mean something. I mean, maybe it does the mark It was supposedly the marker but not yeah, I don't know I I or the tie on the door, you know, just all kind of Okay, we could probably go on and on there, you know, there's the urban legends persist even on what's up I suppose yes, they save out there everybody. Also stay safe Okay, what it what a transition, okay, I Just we care about you. We like having you here on Mondays and we want you to be here every Monday What's been going on with you since we talked last? Yeah, so guess some really cool things have been on box one of the highlights on the YouTube channel is I got to Had a Microsoft employee flew out from Seattle here to LA to have me unbox the 24 karat gold Xbox That that they're giving away to like a lucky person who signs up for game pass. So that was really cool Like it's it's it's gold is actually like the entire like even on the bottom. Yeah. Yeah Yeah, and so yeah, I literally came with like two people here in my house And he's holding in his duffel bag and the other guys like watching it was it was hilarious How how security focus they were about it, but I had fun unboxing that so if you'd like to see things like that I get kind of exclusive things like that sometimes check out the channel Lamar Wilson. 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Yeah, you have you had some heavy reading over there Tom. Thank you for not pushing My tongue was tied today too I had some tongue-tying I have to talk about IPO pricing especially in other currencies. I'm like best of luck Sarah, you know, you know We can decide since we run the show that the style is you only have to say the country on first reference Well, okay right now at this moment which I would be fine with but sometimes I feel like if you don't make the distinction I Don't know I I always imagined myself hearing the story and would I get the back and forth? Yeah We can also decide not to do that right now Like it was up and then it was down and then it was up Yeah, you could do percentages or something. That's good. It's my kind of show right there Get to the point. It was up now. It's down. Yeah, it lost this appointing IPO, but still pretty impressive Yeah, right a Show with brevity Xiaomi came out with some stock. Yeah Made money. It lost some money. Yeah, that's literally what I would do for a show Okay, that's why she'll be at your network. Yeah, it was a disaster. It wasn't great Yeah They're still like really big 50 billion whatever. Yeah third biggest Check mobile spire. Sure. Yeah, I thought it was gonna be four made it three. It was fourth when I did headlines this morning See I normally would have listened to headlines, but I You had something better Well, yeah Apparently I was sleeping I set my alarm for nine I remember doing it and the phone says okay, and then it said the stupid thing. Don't worry. I won't forget I hate when it's okay But I know I it's because usually Tom does Mondays and I know I'm kind of the favorite I just happened to do it today. So you're forgiven That's fine. Yeah, the bar usually skips my days On it Something weird happened with my notifications It didn't work. Yeah, I got hacked. I got you got tired from carrying around that heavy. I didn't get your email You didn't get my email. It's so weird. Yeah. Yeah, I was playing with this Xbox. Yeah, it's all right I actually had a I never do this anymore because it doesn't happen that often but Every once in a while, you know, someone will say something where I'm like, that's so weird Why don't you send me their original email? It's so weird that it didn't go through because it's like if someone's like, I'm sorry. It's sitting in my drafts It's like, well, okay We can't do anything about that whether or not it was sitting in your drafts or you just did it You know, we'll never know but if someone's like, no, no, I sent it You know, you be like, oh cool just for that. You know, just so we all know and then you don't get it What are we calling this show? Cancel foreign? Yeah AI chips galore or AI chips can't stop with just one Jim's I like that. Okay AI chips. It's a little corny but can't stop a judge. Are we is a corny or chippy? Is it like is that like a It's a ladies commercial You can't eat just one No, yeah, yeah, Pringles is Pringles is pop because you pop it. Yeah, what you pop you can't stop Pringles is you can't eat just one. Oh, I think you're both right. So I think Pringles had the Once you pop you can't stop. First of all, you can't eat just one lays. No, you can't you can't No, it's so like no, thank you, but Pringles send us Lays to 11870 Santa Monica Boulevard If you do make sure Sarah and challenge her to eat just one Lay's potato chips. I don't like them. You'll eat one and then you'll never eat another lace potato chip for the rest of your life Are you a ruffles lady or you like because I don't like the ruffles Trader Joe's one. I don't like potato chips Well, I don't like potatoes. We've been through this. I don't like french fries. I don't I never knew that about you I never I'm a potato hater. I'm sorry. Were you struck by a potato as a child? Just don't like them but I do like Pringles, but Pringles seemed like manufactured. I don't know what it's compressed potato Yeah, it's just salt. It's a salt fat delivery mechanism. Like you want to get like a big old thing of sour cream and onion Pringles I'll eat the whole thing. I like ruffles with sour cream and onion dip now that you mentioned that. Oh my god. Yes Yes. Yes. Yes. Yeah, I Did go through a kettle chip phase where I would I would I would did Sarah don't be embarrassed I would I would I would tolerate the Salt pepper Yeah, yeah, I was just trying. I I have the salt and pepper ones. Those were okay But still just just not like I just want tortilla chips always I still blame kettle for the kind of like let's go back to rustic potato chips where they were really hard to chew Let's just make it out of a giant. Yeah That's why I like hackers so much because it's like there's a good crunch Associated why don't we only talk about my teeth on on junk food? Oh, no, no, it's every day It doesn't matter whether you're here or not. Some of our guests are sort of like, okay, you know, we're making a recipe book, right? Was that the email that you sent? Yeah. Yeah. Oh, why I added two last night two recipes kid Oh, I haven't checked it since then. I'll take a look if you If you eat the if you eat the the heart attack uh chip dip Don't blame me, but it's really good Like it's really good, but you didn't you didn't get the email But you you just said you got it Oh, oh, sorry. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, I got it. Yeah, it's there I didn't I totally didn't delete it because I was on the email receipt. Let's see who's I'm totally not looking for it right now. I'm panicking You gotta tell Wednesday. Yeah, see there it is. Yeah. Yeah. It was right in my inbox. Did you find it? I did. I did. Did I forget you? No, no, I have it. Okay. You sent it on the 27th. Yeah, that sounds right. Yeah, okay Yeah, I have right here So, yeah, if you have a recipe you would like to share in the book put it in that doc So can a recipe be? By pre-made, I mean pre-cooked Trader Joe's chicken breast cano totally Can of black beans and frozen brown rice Far-willed object oriented dinner One of my recipes is wheat, then squatted cheese and pepper My because that's a good snack. This is the thing my wife was arguing with me the other night that I couldn't put some of the Stuff I wanted in there because that's not a recipe Anything edible is a recipe as long as you're mixing more than two things The way this is gonna be great is based on a bachelor principle the fewest number of dishes Thank you with the right a number of gradients With involving, you know one cooking method that involves very little of my attention Which is like the microwave or it's perfect. Yeah, it's the oven, right? Or the instant pot I use that sometimes And rice and you eat everything with brown rice and you're set There you go A friend came over to my house the other day and she wanted some ice and so she looks in the freezer and she's like What in the heck kind of weird things do you have going on here? And I was like, what's even in there? I don't know. I don't open that ever she's like you have hot dogs and like some like Mushrooms stuffed with something that seem like they've been in here way too long and Some bananas that are really brown. I was like, oh really? Yeah, I don't know what that was about I don't go in there. Hot dogs are the hardest thing to get rid of I I just I don't I open my freezer every once in a while for ice, but I just all the other stuff is just in there It just I don't feel like it's getting any worse But I don't eat it. I have I have a shelf or not shelf. I have a counter Counter depth refrigerator. So I don't have a lot of space. So I constantly throw away like things that what does that mean counter depth? so So some some refrigerators like you're standing refrigerator. If you put it next to a kitchen counter Yeah, go all the way back a couple inches, right? Yeah. Yeah counter depth me You're just flush flush with the counter. Oh, I see so it's actually it's it's Shallower, yeah shallow in some cases it might be taller to make up to get some more space back But I have a very narrow kitchen. So I needed a counter depth fridge. So I would be able to walk back and forth without too much trouble But well, isn't that nice for you? Yeah, it is Thank you. That was very sassy. I feel like some people have My mother included have real like strong opinions about, you know The um freezer up top or freezer on bottom or do you open up? You know the two vertical sides of freezer and fridge. Where is it the horizontal? It's like I'm like Man as long as it's cold And my last house that tom you you were there the last one that it had the freezer I'm left and Frigerator and I I mean it was a huge built-in refrigerator. So I I enjoyed that now I have the french one where big freezer at the bottom and then the two doors Uh, which is that actually seems like the best fridge Never being something that would like deter me from loving somewhere the freezer is smaller though Like you can't stuff things in there because this is basket. That's at the bottom. So you kind of have to Organize a lot better. That's the only downside I've always been partial to side-by-side where it's a freezer. I am I would prefer that you're ariana grande I and it's it's weird because I had the reason why is because I had a I had a classmate in college Who is wheel wheelchair bounding like these are the only fridges I can use Because that's how you get to the frozen and the in the cold stuff Who was on top it would be kind of difficult for him because he's a wheelchair Yeah, and if it's on the bottom it would be very difficult because your wheelchair would be in the way if you tried to pull it out We have the freezer on the left and the refrigerator on the right Like, you know, just it's up and down right and I don't mind that for the freezer except you can't we can't buy frozen pizzas anymore Yeah But you have to angle them in so Eventually all the toppings just yeah At first it seems like oh, this is so much freezer, but you're like It's like so much It helps a lot with separating items like I don't have stuff piled on top of each other anymore But anything long and flat which pretty much is just frozen pizzas Uh, just doesn't work in there The only thing I miss about because I have a uh, a very dated kitchen Nothing in my kitchen is new in fact Well, actually my microwave is new but somehow my landlord figured out a way to make the new microwave look really old So whatever Um, and I don't really care as long as everything works, but I do miss having the filtered water in the fridge Because now I got to do it in the sink and I'm always forgetting and so I'm always running out of filtered water And it's a whole thing it's very nice to have that all built in and with ice built into Yeah, mine is weird. It's not in the door. It's in you have to open the door. It is inside the refrigerator It's not the press the button put put the cup under it on the side. It's a g thing. Yeah, and it's so yeah, so Yeah, I've seen that actually yeah, it it works, but it's just like I just have that like integrated into You know the stuff you've already got rather than have to buy this whole, you know filter system thing Well, that's it for our video show today. Uh, thanks everybody for watching if you're listening to the audio Stay tuned for more