 at 6.05. First on the agenda is to approve the agenda if they have anything they want to add or amend. I know I'm not going to make, have a few items I'd like to bring up but we'll probably just do it under other business for now. And then if we want to move forward with it then we can make it an agenda item next time. Okay. And then on the on the executive session piece Lisa we're going to add and one other personnel. After evaluation of town manager and one other personnel matter and then it will stay per one BSA. So does anybody have anything else or anything you want to add or. Okay all in favor. Public comment inquiries. You got anything good? So don't speak at once please up over each other. It is awful isn't it? You've been doing okay through COVID and. In a while I mean we haven't had a summer in a while with this many like hundred degree heat index days you know. And you were just saying that why is a long track to be the hottest July ever ever and hottest month ever. Wow. Because we had some nine to three days last summer but not like this. I feel bad for people working on the side. Sticky. Please see a little bit of a breeze. Anything else public comment inquiry. Lisa here and then we'll move on. First on the agenda is the ordinance regulating control of garbage trash litter in solid waste. And this was the proposal that we had brought brought forward to the voters on a non binding resolution for town meeting day which was overwhelming. I don't remember what the exact. I know some people. The biggest complaint. The biggest complaint I got received out of that was that we didn't make it tough enough. So there was people who wished that we had dealt with cars so we may do that in the zone. So but that was funny. That was the bigger thing. Yeah we haven't changed anything since. They do. They do somewhat but you can also regulate it. You could say maybe in the village you don't want to have more than three unregistered cars in certain districts. You can put tougher regulations on it. Yeah they do but it's hard to. But the small amount of feedback that we had during the process was mostly on the I'll say metal scraps and automobiles and campers and things like that where we didn't have any real kickback when it came to the trash litter you know fire degradable type items. Yeah yeah I mean that's a good time to do it. Yeah yeah so so I think you know we had initially we were going to start on this thing and probably realistically April with the whole covid zoom meetings and you know kind of decide we put down the shelf for a couple of weeks. I don't know I I only had one call this year in regards to some trash issues early on and Oscar wouldn't care that. I actually spent a bunch of his time helping the person take it. So has anybody else really been met with that many calls this year? I noticed the time of their last one when we passed the public health insurance and it includes buildings, dilapidated buildings, living conditions, living conditions if the place has been a bunch of burnt out buildings up there and also trash litter that's all part of their their ordinance. So they went ahead and did an ordinance without any public feedback? Yeah no public feedback. There is a 30 day period. Right once we put it in this case. Once it's on the website and everything. Of course. There's a 30 day period with some of the petitions. Yeah there's a whole adoption period how long it goes in advance. Yeah because it becomes effective 60 days after it's adopted and we have to put a summation, a summary of it in newspaper and there's a whole big process to do it but that's interesting. I know your zoning regulations talk about homes that have been something happened to them or something. I guess they could have used maybe done something when the truck hit that house and they didn't do anything about it. I found it. I guess they're waiting for insurance. We heard that's a big insurance hold up. But we do have some structures that might be something we've talked about before. Remember the burnt structure that's up Camp Brook Road on the right? It's right on the corner Dunham Road. I mean that's been like half falling in for probably 15 years or so. You know those are kind of liabilities waiting to happen. All it takes is a whatever kid to go playing and it falls down or something like that. We do have some of those. We'd have to look because I know that zoning ordinance talks about it. I just remember reading it once about a few months ago maybe. When we had the house down with the river there before McCulloch bought it. Yeah I think it was more, I mean I'd have to reread this something. I can't recall the whole wording but it certainly wasn't all on purpose. And it gets tough because there's no enforcing, there's no inspecting. By statute Fire Chief can actually put, like he did the house after the truck hit it. He went, he met with the fire marshal and the fire marshal said you're the fire chief. You can. So he ended up having to do some sort of contemplation. Yeah it's part of the ordinance. The law process. Yeah. It's as long, I guess it's zoning ordinance. Yeah, sure. They can go look for fire chief and get involved. But it's any building that's uninhabitable. There's a series of regulations and there's a process they have to go through. Inspections and enforcement. Wow. A lot of stuff. It's something you might want to look at at some point but we have some more basic ordinances and policies that need to be addressed before I want to tackle anything. People like that ordinance. They do and it's like when? Yeah. Well it's scary you know, what was that? Probably maybe as much as two years ago, mostly the past year of all the ordinances that we've had. I remember like the fee schedules and stuff. Yeah. It's charging $25 for those that really cost like hundreds of dollars. I know, it's crazy. It's just been so long since things have been updated. That's true because I remember saying like what do you charge a shirt? Like no way, you know, like do you know how long it takes us to do that? So we went through and I don't know. Personnel policies and all those things. Oh and that one is still bad. It was wrong. I mean all your policies like what was saying should be looked at once a year. Yeah. It doesn't mean you got to do anything with them but once over them. I was just telling me. Two years ago the policies we've changed were great. Two more years on next year that may not be enough. Yeah. Things change all the time. I mean who knows what will happen with the pandemic thing, you know, but maybe there's a piece of that that has to get put to a personnel policy at some point. Yeah. No. You know, we don't know what's coming. No, it's true. I agree. So tonight is really just to entertain a motion to adopt the ordinance of regulating control of the garbage, trash, litter and salt waste that was brought before the taxpayers on town meeting day and sign that and then start the process of the calendar for feedback and then moving forward with us. Basically the only, it comes back into the 60 days of your adoption. There's a process we have to follow and it's only if you get a petition of X amount of people to do some of this process. So right now if we adopt it. It doesn't affect the 60 days. Right. You've got 60 days waiting period if anybody can test that. Yep. Okay. Don't move over. All in favor? All in favor. All in favor. All in favor. Well I'll have to sign this one. I mean even though it took us longer to do this policy than let's say Royalton but you know we got a lot of feedback into it as well. You did? You made a bunch of challenges. That's good. Yeah. It's not the board's policy. It's the town's policy. Well I mean, and that's the thing is you can bring all the policies you want forward but if you don't have buy-in to the citizens of the town then what's your policy really worth? I mean they could just say how are you going to enforce that? I'll do whatever I want. Right? Yeah. Yeah. Cool. Oh, gotcha. Well who said we're signing up? I'm just giving up. Brady's got some comments. We're bringing up tonight. Brady is mad. The discrimination stops. No. Take that up. That's between him and the governor. Yeah. Between him and the governor. Any further discussion on the? We'll call it the trash ordinance. And the next step was the civil ordinance for dogs. And this is, you looked at this before already. They're imposing it and nobody had any. Yeah. I don't think they had any feedback or changes. I have a question though. Of course. Everybody? No. All good. What do you have? Well, that might not be good. Oh, it is good. Under definitions, number six, how would we be held by the county that had a place designated by the select group? Yep. Such place may or may not be operated by the county. And may not be within the county limits. Right. Because you currently, we don't have a plan. So we currently have a plan. We don't have a plan. We don't have a plan. We don't have a plan. We don't have a plan. We don't have a plan. We don't have a plan. We don't have a plan. We currently, we don't have a plan. So we currently contract with the, with the country animal hospital. Okay. Okay. I understand that. But if I wanted to do. Then you said you may or may not be within the town. No, I just said may not. Oh. Because we could work it out with you. I mean, it's unlikely, but. I know. I know. I just, I've seen. It says such place may or may not be operated by the town. Oh, and may not be within. I think you're still good. It may not be within town limits. And maybe. Yeah. No, I got you. I think we're. No. One way. I'll tell you it's not worth the cost. We used to run a plan. You didn't go over the waiver. You got. Oh, okay. I was like. The options are. The license. No. Right. Second. It's a hundred bucks. The waiver. What. What. You guys did at your last like board meeting when we talked about this. So a waiver is. You know what? Say that. Say the officer. The officer. You guys did. You guys did. You guys did. You guys did. You guys did. You guys did. We can say. You guys did. Say the officer. Whoever. Made a deal with them. Like, makes their waiver. These say they go to court. Right. They can talk. Yeah, it says the enforcement officer is authorized to recover a waiver? in the state-of-the-mouth for any person who declines to contest a municipal complaint and pays the waiver. So it's like, yeah, the express. That's a good way to put it, Chris. Yeah. If you say you did it and you pay the fee, you move on. I mean, I don't know. These dogs nowadays are so smart. They could probably just be, you know, independent and on their own. I don't think they need owners. Yeah, I think they're more capable of that. They should license us. I thought my dog was a smarter than you thought about that before. Yeah. He was just on top of me. We can run around? Oh, she, we saw her. She's cute. We had one and she, that dog, all he had to do was watch the kids twice and he figured out how to push open the lazy Susan with his head and was getting whatever, whatever he wanted, crackers or whatever. He got ice out on the refrigerator on the door, you know? Yeah. And he got the noise of that ice. Oh. And he let out like one day one. They do, do they? Amazing how fast they catch on. Mine pushes the window down in the truck so he can put his head up the window. They have to hit the child-proof one. Or when he gets home, he hits the button and the trash goes up and puts his head in there. He's cutting all figured out. They're smarter than us. It's kind of scary. It's really sad, yes. Yes. I have a little better self-control than he does, but he's pretty smart. No, no. I usually just keep my head out of the trash, but. So I guess we would entertain a motion to adopt the civil ordinance for dogs. You all in favor? All right. Man's best friend. And next, the draft highway access policy. This is, I gave you the existing one and the newer draft. There's obviously for some issues with the older one. It was pretty old as Mo pointed out. I think he- Yeah, I know, he signed it. Is he still around? Do you want to know the original? He is. He was with him. The original adopted. Yeah. So the VLCT policy was, I mean, this is pretty in detail. And I even cut that down to the pages, the approval pages because, so they have the application, which is great. That's all similar to what we have now. But then the one that says highway access permit curve cut. Another town did this on the side. I like this. It said a smaller, like a whole other page where basically we go out and make sure they comply because Alan and I did a curve cut application on Christian Hill the other day. And so I went through the whole process with Alan. And also too, if you weren't giving out, even though I said it in here, people were not getting, which they should have, the B71 or A76 standard. So which are here. So that goes with it now. And so we went out and did it. We did, you know, site distance. We didn't have to be level for 25 feet. And so we met with Alan and said, OK, these are your things that you don't need. So we told him and said, you know, when you're done, call us and we'll come back with this video. And he's going to inspect. And so that was fine. And that's fine. You know, I didn't, you know, he will. He'll have. You know, so it was fine. We'll go back. I think there's really been no oversight on it. When I was doing the FEMA jobs last year, like Sanders Road, for example, I was trying to figure out how we could best move the water down the hill coming past the quarry and down. But there's like three or four houses on the bottom end of that hill that don't have any, you know, when they put their houses in there, you know, they didn't put in a driveway, didn't do any of that stuff that should have been done. But I don't think anybody's really been out there policing it to make sure that they did what they're supposed to do. Well, the thing is, too. Yeah, because it was like three or four houses that didn't even have a single culvert. I will tell you that the couple that I have encountered so far, we have gone back, they had a permit, and the owner even said, yeah, I went in, it got a permit, nobody ever came to tell me anything. They just signed off on it. It was really the honor system. And so I asked Alan how many curb-cut applications he had done. He'd done one with Greg. He did one recently. This may be only four. So certainly that he's done. So certainly that is the process now, is that I went with him because he had done one. I mean, I'm like, okay, did you do this? And he's like, no, or that. I'm like, okay, we're going to go together so you can see what we have to do. So that was kind of the spark for the new access policy. It could have been kind of a draft for a while on my computer. But as far as going back and getting old months, I just, I can't, I don't have time to do that. But moving forward, this is what we're going to do. And this requires people that they have to sign up on it. I also think, you know, it should be more than 25 bucks. Two, you know, with a fee schedule. $25, really? And the amount isn't, the amount isn't in here, right? It just, oh, I thought it said, set by, oh, okay, because that's the current fee. Well, that's the current fee because you guys haven't updated your fee schedule. So once we do that, we could change it. That's no big deal because it's just on the application, but it's not in the policy. I think it was, yeah. Yeah, they're only charging 25 bucks and we're not even charging the recording fee right now. So we should be charging, you know, plus recording. So once we do the fee schedule, we can change it. That would be a minor because it does say in the policy that the fee is to be set from time to time by the slide board. So, oh, we don't, there's some things that years that need to be, the whole fee schedule needs to come back, but we'll do that at the way we do it. Yeah, and you're going to end up, you're going to have two. You're going to have two because you need to see the application, you need to go out, meet the whole owner and say, I require that you have a culvert, that it's this big, that you have to be level with the road, 25 feet, you have to have a psychism. So there's going to be two visits. So yes, I agree. We need to update. Is there going to be a road for the certification? Maybe. I don't know. I mean, if a road foreman goes and they, we could make them sign off on it, the person that they agree to the thing. If that's in here. Owners, signature, applicants. So they just do the application. And then when we come out, he writes all the terms on it, gives it to them, and then he comes back and does the certificate of compliance. So honestly, you could be out there three times. Because meeting, you know, going over, or meeting and going over with them would be one, I guess, and then he'd go back to do two for compliance. So it needs to be at least 50 bucks. Are you showing that the ability to market a fire chief in most of the green village? Yeah, it could be. You know, sometimes the reason you want the fire chief is if somebody decides they're going to build a new development, the fire chief is going to want to make sure that within that he needs that proposed unit development, that planned unit development, that they have a turnaround for fire trucks and things. Yeah, like he'd be going to make sure looking at it. So he's not necessarily just in the village, but the utility director, yes, just in the village. But for the, yeah, but for fire in the village or outside of. And we may not need it. A lot of them you don't, but there's times. And if we change rezoning regulations to say, they have to get the curb cut off location and any necessary, you know, if it has to be a utility director, fire chief, we're giving them an opportunity to do that. I guess, you know, looking at it, I mean, if you're going to like fee wise, if we're trying to capture what the cost is to do something like that, currently it says 25 plus $10 recording fee. So I guess we'd have to figure, you know, if it's going to take a person or two, two visits to go out there, how much time they haven't, you know, they have an hour, one time an hour. So do you have two hours invested into that? Probably not. And then two hours as well. Yeah. Well, that's the thing. And then, and then, you know, is a $10 recording fee, is that adequate for processing the paperwork? Well, the recording fee is, is to record a land records. That's a set fee by staff. Oh, you can't charge anymore. No, you've got to build your other costs into the other. Gotcha. But it just goes along with some of those other ones that we saw. Absolutely. The way it might cost us $100 when we only tried for $25. Yeah, I just made a note for the fee schedule. So I'll make a note during the fee schedule back. But anyway, so it's just in draft. I was hoping, I don't think I saw anything in here. I'd like to get to a draft and we can talk about it that we can put on for another time per adoption. But Yeah, exactly. I got this one, you know, from BLCT they have a lot of model policies and then you kind of... I did notice, I guess the only comment I had on it other than the fee structure was it clearly, there's an issue date of when the permits issued. But maybe there ought to be not necessarily something on it, but maybe in the note section, you know, that the owner anticipates to have it completed by a certain date that proper follow-up is done. Okay, that's good. It's a date of... Or date of... Right, or you have 60 days to do it or 30 days to do it. I think, well, it says on here, I was going to say there's usually an expiration of a year to get it done. Right. Yeah, I can put that anticipated completion date. You know, it could be either a line item on here or it could just be something in the note section. I think it'd be good if there was a line item on here. We make sure people put that on there and this is when we'll have it done by. Yeah, I think it's a... I'm assuming that when you're doing it you don't want to get this alert that you should have been approved before they could start construction on it, right? Yeah, oh yeah. Well, that hasn't been the case. No. Or maybe it said something different in zoning. I feel like there was something about it that said... Putting limli that the permit currently has a one-year expiration date. Yes, actually. Yeah, I saw that. Compliance application must be submitted to the County Mayor's Office to release the meeting for work schedule. Right, well, that actually, yeah, that part. And it says the property owner and the owner's agent shell notify the town of Bethlehem minimum of two days of advance work activity. I'm getting confused between... because the person I saw had also a zoning permit and had a permit cut. So it was the zoning permit that allowed you to start construction to start some of the... the zoning process allowed you to start some of the explanation. So that's where I'm getting confused. So the zoning permit said you could start your excavation. The curb cut said, yeah, you should do the curb cut without the permit. And then, obviously, we called, you know, and we dealt with him and he knew that and he knew that from the get-go. He told us not to. There is an intersection by... there's notification of completion as a time for shell notify the town manager to talk, so we're filming the 15 days after construction is completed. Yep. Which is funny, Tom. Yeah, and I was just wondering if that was a place where Christmas was actually happening. Well, you know, just... I think even just if we had an estimated completion, we could put on our calendar to say Kelly, Trees, and somebody to check in with when the lake is just put in a curb cut. They're watching her all the time. So it works every day. Yeah. Well, and I think the big issue wasn't that we didn't have policy. It was more, it was no enforcement of the activities. And we also had... and Mo had brought up some changes to things we needed to do. But yeah, you forgot to sign the dog word. Oh, sorry. Gotcha. So, yeah, if there's any changes, let me know. And then we'll all put it back on the next agenda for adoption if you're all clear with that. Any further discussion on the highway access policy? Moving along. The road plan. So this is a great start, I think. We've got the capital equipment plan underway. So I tried to make some notes in here, obviously, what we currently have. And then here we put in Spooner Road. I have, I'm going to tell you right now, I'm getting quotes on paving East Bethel Bridge. I put in $20,000. I have no idea. I don't know. Pavement, it could be $10,000. But I doubt it. I'm probably short. No, you should be able to do it for... Thank you. Well, let's hope. Well, I'm hoping that I'm supposed to get an estimate this week, the guy, the gentleman was going to be there on Thursday, I think. So I threw that in here. Then you can see I was confused last time. Chris had sent me an e-mail about putting something back to gravel. And I had it in my head. It was Christian Hill. And then I'm typing away and then I reread his e-mail and up on the subject it says Gilead. Right? So I switched that around. Chris has an estimate on, we think he did, he did an estimate for me on Christian Hill, but neither, I haven't found it yet. So I tried to put some notes on the under the section because if we were to tear up that part of Gilead and put it back to gravel, what we had talked about was leaving about 150 foot apron that way when you're coming off. And then because otherwise if we were going to do it all and do it right, it would be $200,000. And also kind of looking, talking with the folks that have lived on that road for, well, not everybody, but a fair, Yeah, and talk to a few others that lived out there. Well, some of them couldn't understand why they paved it to begin with. And then others had talked about that there was some sort of, the state was pushing for a paved road that, I don't know, 15, 20 years ago or something. And they didn't do any like sub-based prep to it. All they did is they just came in and just paved it the way it is. And that's probably why it's fallen apart. And it sounded like that a majority of the people that lived out there didn't want paved to begin with. So now to correctly repave that stretch of road, you know, it was like $200,000. Or we could just chew it up back to gravel and, you know, for, what did we say? Forty-five. Forty-five, but it'd probably be less than that, you know, and then chew it up, put it back to gravel, and then we'll just, it'll be an extra, is it a mile and a half or something? Yeah. It'll be an extra mile and a half we'll have to maintenance with gravel, but it's a lot cheaper than spending $200,000. It's not that hard. It's pretty easy. Yeah. And the issues are, it's just potholding the pieces, so it's called flat road. Yeah, to the majority, yeah. So that was kind of one. And then, you know, we have the Christian Hill piece, which is, you know, it's challenging because the section of them, there's a couple of sections that are really bad. One of the worst sections is right near the Cherry Hill lane area, right Cherry Hill. Yeah, someone said that the couple of ditching there was all gone, where it was really bad and they're, you know, they're thinking it's really wet up there and that maybe it's, there's obviously, supposedly the last time they did it, you guys would know, that they dug it up, they put in some drainage and rebuilt the sub base and everything, but it's still, it's awful. They just put some fabric down. Was it in the 80s? No. 80s? Uh-huh. Well, no, it's been down since then. 2000s. And they laid fabric into the drainage and then the fabric, they didn't even overlap. You know, they just laid fabric. One half a world, they laid fabric, and then they dug up the land, laid fabric, and you couldn't take it. Don't forget that. They laid it behind it. You know, it was 1000s and so it crossed off. I got a little, A lot more tech. It was after all that. Yeah. And you have a little of a challenge with the height. So you haven't paved it since Irene? No. No, no. No, I got paved, um... It was all the... I mean, I was commenting on it, but I couldn't believe it, because all of the sudden they ground it up, put it back down and sprayed the... They probably got paved around like 2004 or 2005. Spray the tarp, spray it, and it's spread the piece down, like it's all working, and then just blast it, blast it, blast it, and then the boot. Yeah. I mean, I guess my recommendation to that road right now would be to... that it's almost exactly a mile of paved road, is what I would recommend is... because it is to the point where it's becoming a safety issue in the wintertime, because the plows obviously can't plow the wheel ruts of the steep, so there's ice that sits in there, and would be to take it back to dirt, and instead of spending... What do you have on that one? I don't have Christian Bell in here, because I didn't know him. If I remember right, I think we were talking about like $225,000 or something. Take it to dirt for, you know, probably $40,000 or $50,000, and then in around the Cherry Hill area, that section there, there's some drainage that needs to be done, so spend a little money on some ditching, some drainage work, and then we could always repave that when we have an opportunity to get a grant down the road, you know. But I think right now, because we can only get a grant like every three years. Three to five years. And the Sand Hill piece, if we do the utility work... Yeah, you saw that number. We worked through all of them. And then that obviously would have to be paved. Yeah. It would probably be better suited money than right now, than to repave Christian Hill, because we'd have to wait another three years or it'd be six years out, you know. Exactly. And I tried to do that with structures grants. The other thing we need to put in here, Chris, that we don't have is I have the one, just a camp-brook of a small area, but we need to do more. You know, there's sections of camp-brook. So we need to add paved roads to this and try to... I say the camp-brook stuff. I think, yeah, that I did. Camp-brook, there's... I divided it into four sections on camp-brook. And each section is a little bit different method of... And, you know, there's over two million dollars to work from tip to toe over, you know, let's say 10 to 15 years. Like, you know, so that's... It's a lot of money for our town at that time. And all we've been doing the last, you know, probably 10 years, is just throwing money up there that we're not getting out of. The lowest section, the bottom section, I think the bottom one was a bottom mile or two. That's the worst section right now that probably would have to be done next. What's the life expectancy of Pavement? The state of Vermont says 11 years right now. And, you know, of course, that depends on... Oh, all sorts of things. How your winners are and what kind of, you know, like Christian Hill, what kind of traffic's on that or flood events, you know, that always ends with more maintenance. So we put in the... So what we may end up having to do right now is pave East Bevel Bridge, which will last me to get another structure screen. I have a structure screen in the hopper for a watershed. I always want to say Whiplins, I find. A watershed. I know. Just those two. So a watershed. And so I was trying to count out how long. So if we paved... I've had two state people. I've had a contractor. And the thing about East Bevel Bridge is if you pave it by this time, because as you can see it needs a lot of work because it actually needs to hold back the river because there's some issues with the actual abutment. So that's why the price tag of that is maybe 20 now and 375,000 later. But it's, you know, we need that structures grant. And then I was thinking the next one, if we wrote Sand Hill, we could, I think the most you can get, I think is 175,000 out of the paving grant with 30% match. So I didn't, as you can tell, I put the full amount of the work, but if I thought we could get the paving grant, put that up top as a revenue. I think I had... I took your number and added it to Tim's. That's how I got it. The Sand Hill piece, yeah. It's expensive because it's all... Yeah. Well, it's not, it's waterline. It's less than 200,000. Tim's? No. Yours. To take it to dirt, resurface the gravel and pave it. Yeah, but we had, but we have to do all new stormwater, all new waterline. Some under drain or some ditching. Yeah, it's a hole. That road should have been tended to a hole. So I'll write the paving grant when it comes out, but that's... I mean, you have stormwater drains that... There are in people's lawns. There are areas that aren't catching anything or right next to another one that was abandoned in 30 years before that. It's not good. It's a mess. So if we did, so this year I put in Spooner, obviously, the next year, work for a sand hill paving grant. Next year we'll do, you know, maybe we do Gilead. And then I did put in, I threw in the Gilead box cover, but I have to request a hydraulic study. I just threw a number at it. And then I'm not sure how far they're behind on their paving grants, but the next time it comes out, I will apply. And you can do sand hill, but obviously it's not tomorrow. And then of course, we'll get us the information or get finally an e-mail. I swear to you, I gave it to me by cable. So are we going to put the money in maybe an infrastructure one year and leave a gravel door over here? We probably just... Not us. We don't want to. Like sand hill, we probably tackle the utilities. And it would be probably temporarily patch paved for that year. Because if you take it to gravel, any time at range, you're going to have that erosion coming all the way down on the church street. And it'll be a mess of that little three-way intersection there. I mean, you see, even like right now, just with a little bit that they're doing on the waterline project, any time it rains, it goes down by the fish. And that's just a little bit of gravel. But I would envision, there'll be some frost cuts in the pavement, and then there'll probably probably be some sections on one side of the road or the other, where the waterline runs. Which I think if you're going up, it runs on the left side. I think so. The waterline. And then I think you just temporarily patch it. And in the following year, the next year, you come in, take the dirt, resurface with your gravel, do whatever ditching and stuff that you need to do, and then pave it. But it really all right now comes down to if we think we can get a paving grant in the next couple of years. Well, they're out, I don't know what the schedule is now, so obviously I'll find out. The utility work the year prior that, which the utility work, unless there's some sort of grant there, would probably be 100% on us. Which is hard. But that being said, I'm assuming you all saw number one bulletin of good news. Does this get any more money? Is that to galvanize money? No, this is, this is more. Yes, because, yeah, we included, because I think I told you guys a while ago I mentioned that we might that I had. We had to send some comments, Alvangelia did, that they had some federal money left, and so he had advocated for us and then he sent something. And so this is good news, because the less that is, then with a sooner, if we had to go back and look at how we're going to pay for Sand Hill, maybe it's not crippling too. Because we have Sand Hill, don't forget, and when we do Sand Hill, if we're going to do something with money for Sand Hill for the utilities, we're going to have to do a crystal drive at the same time. So if we get a bond, if we have another payment, don't have to deal with it, it's got to be crystal drive and Sand Hill, because crystal drive has clock on it, because of the same, so if we were going to upgrade, do both, because, so the less we spend now, it doesn't mean we're going to, we're going to spend it later. What was that? I don't, I don't remember, I don't, you know what, I kind of like that. Well, 2.8, we always knew it was a portion of that 1.7, 1.4. I mean, we bonded for 2.8. I think the idea at that time was what we called the guaranteed money, was that that was going to leave us down to like 1.2, or 1.1 or something. But then there was the galvanized money and there was the potential of another one that we weren't counting. Right. But the rates were based on, Yeah, we already got the, you know, 0%, right, 50%, so they're doing funny, they don't say it's 75%, they say, this is 50 and this is 25. Yeah. They don't add them together, they say they're a portion, so, but, so luckily we got some more money, because, honestly, what we don't spend now, we're going to end up spending on infrastructure somewhere else, but we still need to do crystal drive, and we have to figure it out. Well, this problem, with the, probably, that, I mean, this isn't, this isn't, this isn't, right, it's not, it is, and the users are also going to pay for Sand Hill, and we have, Well, some of it, some of it, just the water portion. Yeah, when Sand Hill like, because it doesn't need sewer, the majority of that's going to be stormwater. Yeah, but it's going to be, we have to, and then, yeah, planning, you know, payment grant will pay for whatever, 80% of it. Well, do you want me to get that one? Yeah, but just put a bit of stormwater on Sand Hill to have to get done, that would be all, that's, that's, that's just amazing. Well, a portion of that, we're most likely to be on the users, and we have not decided, or put a number as to, we need to get done this project before we can come to something on crystal drive, and remember that, and then figure out how we're going to pay for that, that's going on the users, or, but not, we don't. I think looking at it, we have a pretty good handle on the projects that need to get done. Well, I mean, I, except for the, the animal that we haven't even figured out how to work in there yet, is going to be, you know, really camp broke. Yeah, camp broke is a, a money pit that's never going to happen. I also, we also need to put, four times in my life. Yeah. Well, the problem you have is, you have sections, you have sections that weren't maintained for a long time. You know, water's gotten under the pavement. There's been, whatever, countless floods up there. And every time, you know, you puzzle piece the pavement together, it's just, you know, getting worse. I wish the town never taken that from the state. But, but it, you know, it's a big animal. It's like, you know, we figured there's about a little over $2 million with the maintenance on a, let's say, we stretch it to a 15-year cycle. $2 million in 15 years. That doesn't even count all this other stuff that we're talking about. It's a big ticket item. And I'm not even sure I have all the other stuff in there. I mean, I put in the Chris, the gillian road, the box culvert that I knew about. I don't have a number. I threw a number at it. But I need to get the hydraulic study done. But yeah, there's, there's, I'm sure there's other stuff. I'll just sit down with Alan and see what else he knows about that needs to be on here. All the paved roads, every village road needs to go on here. And, you know, to figure that out. You do have the pavement. You do have the study that was put together, right? The study. There's a paved road. It's probably on the shelf. Oh, okay. Yeah, we hired somebody with a grant that put that together for us. I mean, there's a lot of good information, but there's some information that needs to be updated. Okay. They had a good sequence of the work that they thought at that time. Well, I will find it. It's probably on the shelf. You know, Sam Hill was in there. I don't think Christian Hill was, well, I don't think it was on there to be done, so can we? So we'll, we'll, so we'll do as Alan did, but is there anything else that anybody else has thought of that we, if you, I guess put it this way. If you think of a project that we've talked about that I have thought that it's not on here, just send me an email and let me know what that is. And we'll, I just would like to get this to be more, you know, just like we did with the equipment and to have some real numbers and things like that. I think the one thing that's been missed has been the bridges. Yes. And any type of large box culvert type structure. Yeah. That's a good idea. I'll add all the bridges and any box culverts. Because as we're finding, you know, Yes, we are. The watershed bridge is, there's what it is. The East Bethel one. And East Bethel is not an easy fix because there's only one way in and out of there unless you want to upgrade the, Oxbow. Yeah. Unless you want to upgrade that to passable, you know, to get people through there. We'll see. We'll be counting who lives there. Yeah. And then pretty much the bridge contractors that Teresa's talked to so far has basically said, in order to fix the bridge permanently, we need to close the bridge for a period of time so we can, you know, you can't really like detour our cars around it to put a temporary bridge. Yeah, he just, finally they said, look, we can do this in two lanes, but it's going to cost you more money. Yeah. I said, I don't have a choice. I can't get a bike all the fire chief. I cannot get a fire truck down Oxbow. And then my, one of my odds, I leave a fire truck on the other side. Well, can't pump out of the brook right there? Good, but you can't cross. You can't get a fire truck down Oxbow. Yeah. Awesome. I'm just telling you what he said. Safely. It's a tough one because it's a tough area. It's a house fire. What are you going to do? Well, I know, but still, we can only get the little truck. Wow. The other thing not to off that, but this parking lot out here will have to get done relatively soon. If not, you'll be in a complete rebuild at some point. Okay. So we'll add this. So. Especially now, we're going to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to be part of our community. So they're fully soirachted out here. And they're just put in a lot of parking have them out here. So. Especially now that we use this parking lot more so, you know, part of the yeah. And I read somewhere and I have agreed you're talking about picking up rid and out from that. Yeah, they're taking that but they're in the process right now. And that's the industry you're, you know, But the thing is yeah, it's just tricky because it will change he told me a little bit about it But yeah, so we'll add the bridges to this and we'll just try to get a really long, you know Just more detail and but if you can think of a bridge or not a bridge I got all the bridge inspection reports, but um Any like box culverts or anything that's large that you can think of that, you know, you know It's not a culvert that we can do but it's something bigger Then just email me and I'll make sure I was got a lot of new infrastructure Yeah, well I took dry there's a lot of new stuff out there. I know there is but we got we got grants for And I would also just say if we end up, you know, oh, you know, I can look at the culvert They're not culverts VT culverts. I'll see it. I'll look for big ones I mean if we do end up replacing like watershed bridge and things like that We should just go with a concrete deck. No game over it. Yeah Overall Did It's in a tough location and I feel bad and I mean I think it's ancient Between the the curb style and the cable rail and stuff that's that's 40s. Yeah, they haven't done that stuff But it's funny once you do that I mean there's some things to be done So but unfortunately You know the big one we have but let us not forget is he vying That bridge is going to be That's gonna be good Replace some lumber on it We do need to replace some planks and we're supposed to do that this summer, but I can't even imagine Steel structure wise that's still you can and you good thing is we can close that So people could drive around as a detour It used to be that your bridge match from the state was less Maybe it's only five percent instead of 10 or 20 if you can close it That's what it used to be, but I think they changed that who knows now that the Just keep financial straights Keep it steal it wouldn't We did look at it about changing the planks by Big tag price tag on it I Asked Chris Bumper Mike Yours and he chuckles. He's like you wish I Always chuckle No way, it's probably not breathing All right But I mean ideally on the road wise You know if not next year If not next year the year after at the latest to start the utility work on Sand Hill. Yeah It depends on the pay we need right depends on when you can get a pay even good paper That's the way at all and I will juggle the schedule is once you get a paving grant That's good, so thank you and like I said if you think of anything Email me and so I can make sure to miss it, but I'll do some research on Vermont culverts I know It is I've already looked at that with the state when we were You were hoping to go in after the flood use of rap work around there But I've helped Chris didn't write I was waiting for Chris from Bob Daskin's even right at us So we also have a bigger problem if you go further up camera But if you've mowed the grass you would see it drops There's that road right there that some of that And I so we also talk about getting rid of Well, we should do some ditching up there all of our ditching honey. I think it's going to stay on cambrook Anything we can ditch on dirt with it The greater so I think we're going to use it on that and maybe install a culvert in front of KC's and Comstock because that water's got to be you can manage that water But we should you know, we should figure out something for paved paved roads gravel roads and structures You know What the what the total amount of maintenance money is divided by whatever 15 years for paved roads or five years for gravel roads or 30 years for You know bridges And you know and we should have a pot of money every year that goes towards that That's that's whatever $100,000 goes for paving every year but 20,000 goes to gravel and 30,000 goes to bridges or something Yeah That's right You know because if we don't start it then it'll never happen and you know, who knows how long everybody's here and then all of a sudden Groundhog day all over again 10 years from now when they're talking about We're all here And it's hard because the money we were on a 99 year paving cycle for sidewalks I can say it just was what it was. You were only setting aside the 20 And you were trying to every year. We're just like listen, we are now Well at that fearless too. We should have some sort of street skate It was $1,000. Well, what I'm just saying because the sidewalk from I mean the sidewalk from the school pleasant street 20 years past its prime But it's a matter of time I mean the downtown sidewalks are starting you you're seeing it Yeah, I mean the only new sidewalk that we have is You know going up church street, and we need to be near the town office, but and some pieces out here in north mean But you might be able to get a safe routes to school grant to do your sidewalk Well, we should put that we should have a pot of money every year that if we figure the sidewalks are a 20 year cycle Then how much money a year we put yeah Well, you were putting a thousand because I remember looking at the budget when I first came and I'm like What are you doing a thousand bucks to get like we're still saving and no truncated domes because you can't afford that It was sad so we'll add that in there too, and then I'll be good. You'll have a just it would be nice to have a very and they really should have They could put in town and say hey our road is slated for obviously it's a plan so things will change but And then maybe as the funds come in can I don't know if it's easier to Have the capital road fund and then you have Subsections in that where that's what we did here, and you know you have paid travel and you know I didn't put your money in those spots or do you have we can do that here separate or four separate accounts or what I think it'd be easier to do one because there's going to be times where you may need to rob Oh, that's my point is Yeah, well we can then we don't have sidewalks well then here then we could do it all under one But we could do headers of yeah for bridges. This is for this Okay, so subsections that when the money's applied it's in Yeah, okay the account, you know We can do that Yeah, no, I just know you're right because there's time you're right. That's what happens I'm feeling overwhelmed anybody else feeling overwhelmed with this this guy All right, because it's a motion to adjourn Because it's a hundred here, but yeah, maybe that's what it is. We can um, but you're well because there's a lot to be done Yeah, that's why it's you're overwhelming. You're just telling me Just talking to me about it. I'm the one who's gonna go look it all up. Oh boy Oh This is the way this goes. All right, but that was very helpful town managers before All right, so I'm sorry. Why Yeah He's been ready for a while Yeah, he's selling the river street Oh Put Dylan must be ready for a new one He's got this one, you know, mostly there I don't know as you started anything on the one down where the river yet. He just got it. I think he wants to unload this one He wants to unload that one So, um, okay, so let's see. All right. So as I said, you saw my email changing the lct I obviously thought I had a A good argument and I was wrong. So, um, which is fine. So I guess So, but that's in here. So I gave you all that I had I he he withdrew already Chris and I got an email from jesse saying that he was not interested Thank you so much for the sport looking into it But I think they just realized in the last band's conflict was like four or five people So it just wasn't going to do what went on the last one get the one before the one before that. Yeah, so he said Yeah, so which is too bad, but the um So I told them we were you know, we were still moving forward with it. I or at least I was going through the process to get information um So we talked about all these things So you now have the town plan. It's out for comment You have the word document that um, somebody requested that maybe chris to have the changes So the page numbers are off a little bit as paul can attest to but it still kind of gives you the whole deal So it's out right now. We are slated to have a public hearing end of august I have reached out there's been some concern about us not doing that via zoom It was difficult to do when you guys were here and some of us were not to try to make it It was a little bit cumbersome When some of us were here and some were calling in Um, obviously people have the talent. You know, there's comment and it can happen Rebecca sandboard stone had sent me some concerns And she also had an idea about a way that people could access the document and kind of make their changes I have asked her what that software is, but I haven't heard back from her because I'm going to look into it That may be very helpful for us. I have reached out to the chair of the planning commission. I've not heard back from him We had two people I was wrong that there was a whole state the entire time One person joined for a few minutes in the beginning to have input on the town plan Obviously, it's been all the committees All the committees, you know, I uh heard from energy committee the recreation committee the conservation commission So a lot of committees a lot of people have commented on the plan So I you know, certainly feel that for people there has been a lot of opportunity for people to comment And they've had um team meetings zoom and otherwise where no one has attended Um, so at this point, um, I'm trying to get a hold of them to make a decision because The ad goes in the paper. So I this week, so I need to if I have to add a zoom link To it, I personally was obviously now planning commission members three of us voted that we could just do it in person It's easier. You can kind of have a better dialogue and then trying to figure out how to manage it With some presence. I'm not I'm not sure board members have a Take on that or not That could be because I didn't I didn't reply to her and I I haven't come back. I wanted to I wanted to do the software Thank you You know with just three of us being planning commission members And I'm taking the minutes. I don't have I don't have the ability to to do both and You know Is there any need for visual aids for this one? Like the last time we had the river corridor and everything else that was so we had You know visual Yeah, and this one it seems like you're probably regardless of what your platform is. Yeah, probably Get through it because it's not like you got like a big presentation. No, there's not a hard to hear or see there's not a big presentation and um, You know, I obviously You have it on the web. It's been on the website. It's out and um, you know, certainly people have had a year more than a year to comment on it and um, We have certainly made other hearing other Meetings available and nobody has commented. So Yeah, you know, I did I will say it becomes a little frustrating because We everything we do is everything we do is public. So and we don't You know if table wasn't here tonight, we'd be here alone as we are as we work for the most part with Planet with zoom with such work, you know, we had Judy. We had your wife We had Doug and we had Lindley and we had, you know, Brie And that was that was our audience, you know and um So, you know, I'm open to it, but I can't manage it. So, you know, and I emailed her back about a platform for so people didn't feel cumbersome about Filling in their comments about town planning and having to email So if I know what that's like, you know what the software is email me. If I knew what it was, you may be able to purchase it because I don't know what she's talking about Well, do they know when you get the, uh, handle of the time handle? That's what you do. Yeah, that's how one point that you have an option where you could actually look at the That's the software that Rebecca was working on. Look, does that have her email see if I can find it? Yeah, I'm just curious Oh, good Rick Benson might know. Well, yeah, he may not because she, you know, she did it. So, um, certainly, you know, there's ways So I don't know how this life work feels about it If you are, you know, I mean, we certainly can make it work, find someone, you know, maybe Kelly I bet Kelly knows how to do Facebook live, but I don't want she sitting or holding her telephone You know, I don't really get that part of how I'm going to stream it, but Um, certainly I can if you think it's something Avenue The majority would think it's an Avenue. We should pursue that. I'm happy to pursue that Well, I don't think it, you know, I I came in at probably the most difficult one, which was the last one, which, you know, the state said, hey, there's a river corridor to put on top of that. Yeah I mean, it was literally like how many meetings do we have? Just trying to sift through the river corridor piece, not alone the town plan You know, because it was all the dwellings that fell within So many feet of the river and what we were going to do and And I mean, we, I don't know, three months easy on just back and forth on that Like almost every meeting. I mean, to the point, you know, it's very I can ask Kelly if she knows how this is a lot easier than the last one. Yeah Yeah, I can um, I'll ask Kelly if she knows how to Facebook live I'll just walk through the process and Kelly asks the question. She probably knows someone Probably some of these Oh, I'm probably asking the other time. She's got a job, C-A-P-T-C-H-A. Okay. Yeah, perfect So we'll look into it and see if we finally can do it without it being overwhelming that we would have not because it's not like anybody's years Um, so obviously you've got the Danielle, Mallory, Jeff Gilman This is just really information about it comes to us from the, you know, public utilities or the PSB Really not much we're going to do about it. We'll pin you about it. This is just kind of your FYI There's pictures All that in here Tim has given you the update on the Project Not yet it says in the letter that I think this is They probably are starting down the process because they have it Um Here it is they're preparing to file an application for their certificate of public good. So this is kind of the first Are they just kind of they opted to that you can see the whole list of who needs to get the information Yeah, I just kind of let me know I'll tell you once it gets to the PSB The rubber stamp there You can do anything anyway, so well you can Not really No, because the PSB no the state gave them all Yes, they're all powerful We tried to get it so that when they were taking comments Because we wanted towns to at least be able to say hey, we need to screen that or we need to do this State said negative. So I'm surprised they would tell us that's happening You're very different Sure the other thing I gave you back sounds like fair system You're updated list of board items the ones that we started with so I had done that in a while. So I updated that That's it. It's all I have unless you have questions The uh, does that fly by the way today? No, no, we ran into um sewer and um I think it's on the way that they're working under 80 So All right, we hit um The And water actually Well, some of it's just in the road because some there's some weird stuff about the road Well, if they're over there in telephone, there was a telephone telephone company and they'd say phone met and there was an old telephone member Payphone, I think you're thinking there was a payphone there and so they were talking about that last week or so So I don't know if that was the area Yeah, I don't know if you brought that up to the kids nowadays they'd be like, what's up? Yeah, it sounded like they had a rough day of going out So they were working I mean that's I'm glad that my company's not in the Utility work because once you open that up, it's just a can of worms or like I fixed my uh, my own Water line hook in I don't know Six seven eight years ago when I had that deal And I had it all dug up part did it for me and there was like I'm not kidding. There must have been like six different Black tube water lines running all Everyone and they weren't the same ones, you know, it's just You dig in the ground or some kind of stuff, you know Where people said that Yeah, I mean there's tubes for years We've dug in front of there a couple times so We have dug their Yeah, it's never it's not easy digging underground you know Anything more for Teresa Select board meeting minutes from Select board meeting minutes for the 13th You have any issues with those or are we good to make a motion to approve them as written? Okay, all in favor Other communications So you have a variety of things in here some On pink paper the solid waste board you got conservation commission Um Yeah, I know well that was that was kelly. She D3 was running delinquent utility attack services all of a sudden we hear the printer. She's like, oh, I'm like Yeah I know last time you were talking about the easement on Pleasant street Well, I remember there was something else part of the Remember that they were going to need to access and we were gonna have to sell them I haven't heard back from the lawyer Yeah, we're gonna have to do a quick claim deed. I think but I haven't heard back from the lawyer I thought I did have a resident A day Bergeron came in because there's a long culvert and then if it Comes out on his property and then it was ditched when it was put in like all the way to the river and it's like flooding his yard So I asked the culvert comes from the school, right? Yeah, and I asked chris bunk about it And he actually found plans from like 1932. He's like, I think this is awesome. Yeah This is the best news I've had And he's like, what's going on? So I said, well, here's all these pictures. Here's a small number Who owns it? Dave Bergeron. So I said Dave. Oh the state might I said you can take this up with the state Thank you. It's all the storm water comes out of the Yeah So Yeah, it's it's money. There's a lot Yeah, the clouds are part of the Hope they stay there. But they um, but anyway, so that was it and no, I've not heard back from joe complain about the about these Anything new and exciting at the solid waste facility Was that I'll get into it later. Okay Oh We should tell we can talk about that in public session That yes the minutes It was in the newspaper about brts board and obviously just like lisa does the lovely job About somebody takes her minute. There is the chair there select board is in asia and So he made an unfortunate comment About people, you know, not being happy with the customer service there Well, you know, it just about let my hair on fire and same thing with gen part Here's a woman who was trying to do all sorts of stuff make all sorts of changes. She's been there six months We've had covet their essential workers And then a board member insulting them in the newspaper Who's not even in the country and it just it was so unfortunate uh Obviously, you know gen came up gave me the thing I read it and I had suggested that she write Write to one of the other board that there's a david barker baby who's on the solid waste board Who's also a select board member and I urge her to write to them to write to him because it's a fellow select board member and you know It it's so hurtful. These guys are working. She has three other employees They're they're designated, you know in covid as as you know workers that we they're necessary So here they are a bus to getting yelled at and then someone had a problem with Um food scraps. Well, let's just talk about food scraps We can't do a lot of things because of covet, but the vermont moved ahead with a lot of having Having um vermont or star bringing food scraps Well, what they also did was they said at the same time that haulers do not have to pick up food scraps This is a bunch of people coming to the transfer station. Jen had done her due diligence She looked at pricing for two different outfits. She got containers. Well, I'm sorry that maybe her Crystal ball was broken. She had no idea how many people were going to bring food scraps So she did ask some people very nicely if they would mind taking their food scraps home and freezing them Because they can keep them for another week And she even went and got other trash containers put So she This is what they didn't say down there that they should have done the gen to find out the true story of what really happened and these people that Got upset about it just dumped it on the floor and walked out So here is a hot day. We're having these 80 90 hundred degree days. You're in that facility that building is warm anyways and people were so Self whatever that they Could or entitled that they couldn't take those things home or a weight or she put out some extra barrels And they dumped it on the floor. So she had to clean up Waste it was on the floor. So, you know, I'm sorry if I was doing that in this heat I might have been hurt with someone. I'm sure she was not But she all she did was ask them could you maybe take it home and freeze it Then it almost smelled and bring it back tomorrow or the next day So she and she doesn't know how much who knew how many people were going to have Compost and how many people were going to bring it in there? Well, it's already become a very large issue and yes because there's a lot of Solid waste companies that are not taking Right The product and so it's coming in and the cost right now her estimated cost is $12,000 a year And and she's not even sure and right now You know, she's going to speak to the brts board in august because her and I are talking, you know We've been working out budgets and rates. We we need to charge to dispose of that right now. They're charging two dollars a gallon in in And so we're trying to you know, she's doing the best she can she also is on As tight of a rotation as grover mott is going to be up here right now We're in a contract because they were the cheapest price at the time Now chisella has gotten into it where they were contracting out now They're kind of bringing on board, but we've already entered in the contract We grow compost because they were cheaper at the time but she's doing all she can and You know, so it's just a little frustrating that people You know, we didn't know she didn't know nobody knew how many people were going to compost How many people were going to bring in there? Obviously now she's trying to find a good way to deal with it We don't need to have a problem with bears that other facilities are having big problems with bear So, you know, I just was a little disheartened and and great frankly on her behalf that You know, so I did encourage her to reach out to the south royals and select board and You know ask them to you know, come on get the facts and In my opinion, they owe her a public apology her and the staff. Unfortunately, there's There's individuals that are in the town and Connected with the select board that still have been data over The free table and things that they can't let go Any opportunity that they get To poke at her they're going to do it. Yeah, and they're and they are and it's not fair. And it's not fair And I don't know why they're I thought the comments When you put it in minutes like that and before you try to stay away from personalities The comments are usually over you know macro not micro This is his paper. Yeah, it was in the arrow I would read it again. Yeah It just it went too far just one more personalities and The nationality in our new agreement, the uh, sweatboards are not to be involved in this It's supposed to be the board, right? Yeah Well, one of the comments though is that it's going to go all the time when it's going to be for the next Yeah And it's difficult too because I said, well, let them meet Jen. They can do whatever they want I will say that one of the gentlemen in the paper one of the board members was on the BRTS board said, hey You know what part of it is our fault because we weren't as participating the participating members So again, however he meant that I don't know. I don't know the man You know some of this is just going to take some time To get through and figure out. I mean collecting food scraps. Who who has any idea how much food scraps are going to come in It's no different than going to the grocery store right now and try to figure out, you know, if you don't accept A paper bag of how you're getting your food Oh, you know, I mean it's taking a little bit of time for people to figure this stuff out That's true. And it's not going to happen overnight and then and then you know When you get people that higher levels that should be common and things like that You know are poking at it. It's it's hurtful. You got people working in very hot conditions doing the best they can and And in tough times of COVID Obviously, they're still very busy there. She's still doing seventy nine thousand dollar days Which are more regular which were unheard of before and now I mean they're doing a Heck of a business and she you know in the hours or shorten which makes sense because they need time to clean up at the end of the day And I do think it takes a little bit of courtesy, you know, I feel like that was I do think that there's not not only area folks that typically don't bring their Waste here that are taking advantage of it right now because Saturday when I went When I was driving by the the interstate there was two trucks that came from the north That were stopped that pulled out behind me as I went by and they were clearly loaded with trash, you know So and they they came down from at least brand-off, right? Yeah Well, I'm just thinking at that point it's you know It tells me that people are driving the distance to bring it there for a reason Which probably is it's cheaper or you know, and it's good. We have to charge more than the other We're actually right in the money. I think part of it is the fact that the facility was so nice People are user-friendly and but that we you know, the numbers are actually very much in line with a lot of people Jen I've been doing this but Because we've been looking at the budget because in the past for years They passed budgets with a high revenue that they haven't been making they were spending the money but not breaking it in So Jen I've been looking at that. She's cut $50,000 out of that budget. She's curbing overtime and you know, it's I just feel like people need to Take a hard look at what's going on in the world and you know, give them a break their service I didn't any time I've ever been there. I've never Other than you know, we had some time there for a while when covid was new where everybody was cleaning out their houses and there was A pretty lengthy line there on weekends, but now it seems to be back to more normal No, no, but I'm saying, you know, I I haven't seen any signs of you know, bad customer service or If anything, I mean it used to be the other days, you know, if you brought your trash at noon say around noon time later in the day I mean that Is um The storage Hanger there that used to be chuck full of trash, you know You know, they they do a pretty good job of trying to load it on the trucks and I mean, they're literally used to be trash I mean you putting back your vehicle in because the trash is the whole, you know hanging out of the hanger at that point Yeah, I think you're doing a pretty good job. I will say that you know, there's always better You can do it anything and it's hard too. She's been there six months and we've been doing covid come on I think it's a personal thing But anyways, I gotta go now the sun's attacking me. Thank you Go back to the air clouds Well, I'll just pass out a minute and you know, when I fall down just somebody take over I'm all right other business You had all the business Dave you want to go first or Is it something that we normally get with the roadside mower when we do roadside mowing We're so fast Where is it So to safety issue Okay Well, do you think that you could dig it up? Okay It'll like Sometimes you can you know early spraying if you like like a heavy-duty tarp or something over you can Kill it Be grossed Yeah, so okay, but if it's a safety issue then should we address well, we have several We have several issues because the road we haven't had I've had multiple calls And I had Kelly put something on facebook and front porch form day just letting people know that the roadside mower He's you know, we have a contract. He's broke. You know, he need to get apart It's gonna get done. I realize people are not happy But it's the state and other towns started just when we did in july 1st because that's when they had money Just like we did so maybe next year we can get him to do a week in june and then the rest in july I don't know but he has a little bit of a breakdown. He's hoping to be here in a couple of weeks We did give him till august 10th to complete the contract. So hopefully he's He's here So we didn't know that richard did a little mowing in a couple places and thank you to people who have there's some people Who've just gone out and mow over we whack near their house to help with visibility Coming out of their own driveway and we certainly appreciate that so Yeah I know that it's good to know but we appreciate when people have done it and we haven't forgotten about it We're just And I didn't want to add in items. I just wanted to bring it up and then if we want to go further with these We can add them as a rolling, you know an agenda item, but just following up with the With the town owned property Alcohol policy, I guess is You know there in the past there has been events that have happened in this building As well as in some other sections of town, you know, do we want to move The way we've been doing things isn't correct. So, you know Right now if somebody wanted to rent the town hall and have alcohol here, they wouldn't be allowed to Even though in the past we've allowed that but technically the policy would state that so do we want to A consensus is lord, do we want to move this to an agenda item and talk about this more on either potentially Amending the policy to include maybe certain places of the town or do we want to You know, just leave the policy the way it states would know alcohol and just move forward knowing that You know, couldn't do it here couldn't do it at the ban shell or you know Just in case people want to have weddings here is that something you're interested in really whether it's a time thing If you don't want to do it, I'm not going to spend the time updating. You'd have to update our facility use policy and our open bottles Open container policy, excuse me. So Because the league the league weighed in and you know, you saw that information that basically says that Yeah, you know that right now we can't grant an individual Access to views on so before we spend any time in the office working on it I think You know, that's fine just very weak On the only part they wanted to have an outside event for the park With all the restrictions that parking and public control puts on With them like that, is that allow As long as they're on their own property yet So That's why we you can We can approve that event as long as it's on their car. Yeah, and just that's why you have the outside It's like the white church or Yeah, it's as long as it's private property. That's how tessie's Babes they all had outside consumption permits and because it was private property So it's just right now like if somebody wanted to rent this for a wedding We'd have to inform them that currently, you know, you wouldn't be allowed to bring alcohol or could you serve it here? So I'll just add it to the list of pending stuff I think it I think it says they can't have alcohol right now So, um, but we so I just put it on that list of pending Kind of shoot it out there so we don't forget about it, but it's It's pretty good. We talked about that all that was fresh Um, and then like two more things. So one is um Yeah, I'll do that with this so And and a lot of them popped up this weekend and there'll probably be a lot more of them here between now and november 5th but Like in the past when political signs have popped up on town or state Right away is usually the town or the state comes through and Take some out and disposals of them now currently with Currently with our we don't have we don't have a policy in place. So we'd have to go through the the state statute which basically says That um, it says that they would have to get permission Yeah Yep Yeah, they did it on the corner up here, which is town property No, we're not talking about no no town property only like like you'll see the state like you'll see the district if someone puts one I don't know If you take like usually you'll see on the state Right away areas if someone puts a sign somewhere you'll see that they'll stop and Pick it and throw it in the truck because they have a rule there There says signs may not be located within the state highway rates of way Or attached to a state or town sign post or guard rail. They have their own rules But it says for for town since you do not currently have a policy on this um, it basically says that um Political signs may not be banned all together, but obviously they may be regulated um, and it says that if a town Hasn't adopted one then they should are supposed to ask the select board for permission Um, one of the things they said here is if the board is not adopted a rule or policy This is right from the secretary of state's website Then each candidate must ask the board for permission to place a sign We strongly suggest that it will be easier for all involved if the select boards adopt a clear policy And it says right here the policy can be short and sweet We suggest that the board consider the following a clear statement of where on public property signs will be allowed Or that no signs will be allowed on public property If it's the latter if you choose that no signs will be allowed on public property It says you can stop right there. So that's your policy Otherwise you have to talk about a reasonable time a reasonable limit on the number of signs for candidate or issue a reasonable duration a size so So they give us some guidance here. So if you want Policy we have guidance Obviously the easiest way is to say no go on town property What's interesting is the in there I thought I heard you say that if we jump out the state, it's the right way and if you account Yeah, I know it's funny. You have to read the whole thing It just says obviously and it's a violation of criminal law to put any a sign or any sign actually on a utility pole in Vermont Town on town highways temporary Campaign signs may be displayed for a period of not more than two weeks Within the town's highway right of way because they accept from the state sign law And then it just says enforcement on town highways is the responsibility of the legislative body So you can adjust to all of it Address it through a policy if you want one. Otherwise every time we're going to pick these signs up Hold on to them. Someone calls will have to send every single one of these people individually to the select board They want to put something on public property. So my advice for you Then it's short and sweet and I think in the past In the past we we have treated it just like the state And we're if if they if they come, you know, whatever after the weekend you see them pop up The road crew go out and pluck them off and take care of the thing is we don't really have a policy for that Yeah, but they're still not legal because nobody asked us for permission to put them there So I you know at some point there's going to be all kinds of them everywhere And I just I saw a bunch pop up this weekend So I figured well, we probably had a we should before we pluck them We gotta find out if we what we have for And you should do it now because we've got the primary coming which so we might as well get it done. So at least you will have Missed the once our next movie August 10th August 10th is August 10th our next meeting isn't the primary the 11th, but yeah, so we'll miss it then But at least it'll be in place for November So I guess what's your consensus? Well, the other thing too is, you know, do you I mean we'll call I mean any I guess you could probably link anything to a political sign, but you know We you know, you and I would say political signs are more Someone running for office, right, but there could be other signs. It could be They're they could be signs based on A piece of legislation that's getting ready to be coming up or a movement that's in place or whatever, you know They're defining it as Temporary campaign signs, but I think we would have to define campaign signs Because again, I mean if you allow one you gotta allow all of them, right? So it's kind of either all or nothing and I know on our end, you know talk with the road crew You know the pain the butt part is well one if you go to mow that area You're gonna pick them all up and then at that point Usually just throw them out anyways But two I mean has any campaign ever in the history gone back out to collect them all afterwards, you know So it's not like to run it out there to pick them back up to take them home. So Yeah, so we would have to define so would we would we'd like to Put something on the agenda next time and then Therese can work up the And again Therese had said it doesn't have to be a very long policy To be very short one paragraph or if you're if I guess here's if you it would be helpful to me So I don't waste time on this if you would tell me if you're all just want a blanket No, that's going to be a lot quicker policy than me putting in all the specs So if I have an idea what you're looking for I can Be just easy No And somebody has to do the interpreting and then it becomes a if you get one person permission and someone else comes And you don't give them permission, you know, there becomes a Sign Those fall under zoning regulations But I read the zoning today and you don't define political campaign signs in the zoning regulations So if you do a separate policy, we can make sure to incorporate that maybe when we do the zoning But those signs are fine. I think what we need to define is No political campaign signs, but I think we need to define exact. Is that a movement? Is that you know, I think we need to be clear on what and then it gives it gives our employees the power to As soon as they see one pop up They can feel free to pull it out of the ground throw it in the truck Rather than let's say if Alan grabbed one and someone accused him of you don't like that person So you've been taking them all on then, you know, it gives that and we don't really have the policy But they didn't get permission, you know, it's kind of No, what we used to do is we picked them up and hung on to them and people they're expensive people would come People would come and get them. We hung on Yeah, we hung on to them and said you want to come get them But this would be easy. I mean, I don't know how we'd get the word out there. It's like you do it on facebook You know But it but at least it gives Alan and AJ and those guys As soon as they see something They don't have to feel bad about just pulling that throat in the truck and move on and someone questions them Because there might be someone say hey, why'd you move that or why are you taking that sign? Say listen our policy states? No Campaigns or whatever and sorry, but or or if you'd like to pick your sign up, it'll be at the Yeah, we'll say they'll be there for 10 days It'd be at Teresa's office, you know, I'll file that So that takes care of that the other one would be What what our feeling is for the board meetings, you know, just You know at you know august 1st the the governor has I wouldn't say things change too much, but I guess it depends on your interpretation of my interpretation of the new mandate would be Because he used and and not and or I interpreted as if come august 1st if you are in a public inside a public Place of gathering then you would be mandatory to wear face covering But if you're outside as long as you can Keep your social distancing of six feet or more. You don't have to wear your mask That's the way And then the only thing I the only thing I had a problem was it's like, you know, if we're all sitting here and we all have Masked on nobody's ever going to hear half the stuff coming out of us at that point would be better. Just go back to zoom But So right now it says mass or cloth facial coverings required in public wherever In public wherever close contact is unavoidable As of saturday august 1st 2020 For monitor shall wear mask or cloth facial coverings Over their nose and mouth any time they are in public spaces comma indoors or outdoors comma Where they come in contact with others from outside their household comma especially in congregate settings comma and where it is not possible to maintain The physical distance of at least six feet And where it is not possible So I guess, you know, what is how and On the is it you print that right from the governor's website because the one I looked at it was It was an and in there. Oh, yeah And Yeah, public distancing Right So, I mean what what is your interpretation of that? Do we feel fine with staying how we're doing things or do we even change that? Um The way we are or somebody's watch the way I think you would in between when you were speaking yes If we had to be we would obviously try to push ourselves way back here And you would try to set people out at six foot standards. They could also stand on them They're we're in the balcony. That's a free act. You're good about the balcony. So we can certainly social distance but yeah What was this thinking like, you know, the acoustics in here is terrible to begin with so In most hearing is not good. So You know anytime, you know, if we got anything in front of our face and Picking up on the microphones and just in general, you know, sometimes even with most sitting where he's at right now Sometimes I can't hear you So I'm like more watching your lips as you're talking so I can get all the information You know, because the acoustics is really poor Yeah, we meet the bench up, but I just didn't know you know groups that you know I don't see anything on our schedule that would prevent us from going to zoom if we wanted to do that But at the same time I feel I personally feel comfortable coming but you know, how do we feel as a board? typically This is our setting, you know, I mean This is Personally, I mean everybody social distance. It feels it feels safe I could hear better on zoom, but that's my only That's the hard part about the distancing is you can't we could put you more in the middle Actually, you can still be six foot away. Maybe we should do that next time I just didn't want you to feel on the spot. Well, you know, I don't it makes that much of a difference And we're trying social distance. It was still hard to hear Yeah, or and now you do me No, I think I think sometimes this but you're pretty good at saying Stop. Yeah Yeah, exactly I mean, I guess the only thing would be You know, what would we do if we did get a large gathering? How would that Look for you would have to do something, you know, would be like most talking would we Would we open it to the top? You know only put, you know, I don't know Is it is it to say maybe if we get more than six people over there then We open up the top and go from there or You could even put this leg board could probably be six feet apart up here And then you won't hear anything up there. Oh, no, no, we tried that for it. Oh, you tried it You were out of luck there and you could sit back against here. You could put people here and and not I mean, I think what is it, you know, we don't normally get a big draw Not usually it was Penelope Rift was the last one. Yeah Well, we could throw some roads up and see what happens But you know, I I guess typically we don't really know. Well, we don't really know when people are going to show up in a Mass amount, but no, I mean then he did but I mean Yeah, I mean, I'm comfortable being here and But just wanted to I just want to make sure put that in there as well A lot of group comes in and we have to find some of them that we Of course, absolutely So and hopefully next time it won't be 800 degrees in here. I guess the other thing would be Therese could we bring some of um Some of the face coverings that you have in your office. Can you Maybe Yeah, put a box on the table so that we do get a Yeah A gathering and people don't have they have the ability to grab one, I guess Ordered some the other day because I don't have any but I'll make it Yeah, that's you guys you go back to school like I'm not gonna get a choice. I'm gonna be exposed to a whole bunch of kids You So should we put the sneeze guards around your table? Is that what you're saying? Okay, no, I just wanted to see what we all put me up there too It's we just don't we don't know what's coming with it. So we cut or maybe we make a rule if it's over 80 degrees We'll do it from zoom You know below 20 below 20 degrees at home So it's got to be between 20 and 80 Remember that one we had that At least with the cold you can put something on like this 90 degree Anything further to come before the board So I'd entertain a motion to go into executive session to discuss the evaluation of the town manager As well as one other person matter or vsa 13 or 3 13