 If you want to pump your body and expand your mind, there's only one place to go. Mind pump. Mind pump. With your hosts, Sal DeStefano, Adam Schaefer, and Justin Andrews. In this episode of Mind Pump. Look out, here we come. We start off with about 35 minutes of chit chat. We begin with, we start talking about protein powders. We talk a little bit about our sponsor Organifi. By the way, get 20% off any Organifi product. If you go to organifi.com and type in the coupon code, Mind Pump. Then we talk about trucks and how that's kind of an American thing. We don't see that anywhere else. We talk about Justin's new truck. Yep, he's rolling in a pretty cool truck. Sexy, if you ask me. Basin, old car audio systems. What were you basing back in that school? Yeah, we talk about back when we were growing up, how it was a big deal to have the big 12 inch subwoofers. Talk about my- You guys are your stereos. Talk about my flea market purchase of subwoofers because I'm a frugal or some may say cheap individual. We talk about car modifications, cruising and racing. That was like a big thing when we were kids. Maybe not so big nowadays. It's dying off, huh? That's too bad. We talk about millennials and their buying habits. The future of movies. Are they going away? And aging and how you enter an age of enlightenment as you get older or as we like to call it. The age of zero fucks. The age of zero fucks. Then we start answering some questions. The first question is test boosters. Do they work? Are there any side effects? The second question is how to give advice to a friend. It always seems like friends will take advice from other people. They just won't listen to you even if it's the same advice. Is it your fault? It's really annoying. See how you're delivering it. The next question is about dairy. How much dairy do we eat? And what do we think about dairy in particular? I love cheese. Finally, we talk about our body maintenance protocols. You know stuff like massage, acupuncture, chiropractic and other body work tools that aid in recovery and mobility and just overall feeling better. Also, don't forget this month, probably my favorite promotion ever, we are giving away access for free to our private forum on Facebook. All you have to do is enroll in any maps program or maps bundle. In other words, enroll in a program, a maps program or bundle, and we will give you access to our private forum absolutely for free. In our private forum, we have about 2,000 members that include fitness professionals, doctors, and of course me, Adam and Justin are on there. Come hang out with us. Almost every single day. Don't forget, next month too, the price goes up on the forum, so we're jumping up on the price, so make sure you get in on it this month. I'll tell you what's surprising to me is I haven't had, this is my gauge for supplements, is my, like how sensitive my gut is to them. I feel like I always talk about this, I'm sure people on the other end of this podcast are like, It's like an alarm that goes off. Sales tummy. What a baby. No, legit. There should be a segment. Like today it's just talking about sales tummy today. But legit, I've done the green juice, I've done the protein powder, of course the probiotics work well for me, but I've done the protein powder and the green juice and neither one of them have had a negative effect on my gut, which almost every fucking product out there supplement, if it's in powder form will mess me up. You know what I'm saying? Well, when we talked to Drew, I find companies like this where the CEO was trying to solve a problem that they had themselves. I feel like the integrity is totally different with the company. Yeah, you're probably right. Think of all the supplement companies that we met with, we talked to. Where the problem was, how can I make more money? Right, it's like we're trying to re-brand. Right, we're trying to market this way, trying to make this cooler, trying to attach ourselves to these things, and there's no story behind the company. Like to me, that was one of the things where what I really liked about Organify and Drew was, you know, here's a guy who has a very similar story to us where was taking all this shit, you know, like we were, and has affected his gut and now has been on this mission. He knew his margins were going to be dog shit because he's actually like sourcing it and like it costs more, but he does it anyway. You know, that's what inspired the red juice direction was that he just went through a bout of gout, right? Did you know that? Did he say that in our talk with him? About of gout. Yeah. I did that. Wow. I did that. You're like, that worked. I did that. He didn't even know it. Oh my God! That just happened. Justin's on fire. Yeah. I'll tell you what, so there's three protein powders now that I've used Organify that work really well with me. So Organify is one of them. The one that I found a long time ago was the Garden of Life one, the raw organic protein. And there's the warrior protein that I've used. The warrior protein. And those are the three that I can tell they're all plant based. Sunflower, right? But no joke. I'm not just saying this. I hope the listeners aren't like, yeah, man, you're just being sponsored. No, seriously. And this is one of the reasons why I'm excited to visit their facility. Yeah, because the Organify protein legit is the best. It's actually up there with the best tasting like whey proteins that I've had, which I was already, I've already kind of like accepted that like plant protein powders will never taste as good as the whey ones. Yeah. They never will. Yeah, you kind of like know that going in. But this one's really good. And so my first thoughts were what are they putting in here to make it taste so good? There's no artificial anything in it. And if you look, they have the, they have independent, you can actually see the independent laboratories will test their product and tell you, you know, what's in there, what's not in there. So I don't know, man, they did a good job. It's definitely, it's definitely more expensive of the three, but I like that though. Well, I mean, honestly, no. I do too, bro. I mean, I don't know. Quality control. You know, because then it's like. That's kind of true. I mean, it is. You know, what else are you going to cut corners when you start trying to play the price game? It's kind of true because when they did the, when they, when those testing was coming out for protein spiking, where the companies were spiking their protein and make it look like I had 40 grams per serving when in reality it was 20. And then they'd sprinkle in, you know, nitrogen or whatever they use, amino acids to make it look like I had more protein. Yeah. The companies that were the worst at it were the ones that had, that were the cheapest that the ones that are known for having the best value. Of course. You know what I mean? Where you get the bag of protein. You're like, dude. 20 bucks for 100 servings away. Like this is great. Oh, I'm getting hooked up. Yeah. No, you're a huge bag. You're actually getting 30 servings in a, you know, it looks like a hundred servings. Well, you, I mean, you were talking about this on the show, just the, that people spend most, or companies spend most their money on the, the flavor and then the, the marketing and advertising side. I mean, that's just, if you want to be successful in anything that has to do with food or supplements, that's where most people spend. And then they don't have much money left over for, you know, quality and sourcing and it, you know, it sucks because we are, I think we're kind of conditioned to believe that maybe it doesn't necessarily mean if you get like a cheaper price that, that the product is going to be worse. And I think this is true for certain things. For example, you can find electronics. You can get the same brand at from different retailers or different places and it'll be much cheaper. So you're getting the same quality for the same price with certain things. But in many cases, you're right. You're like, you get what you pay for. You know what I mean? That's, I mean, I always feel that way. And it's, it sucks because like, I don't know, like you want everybody to experience like quality stuff. And so you try and make it reasonable and all that kind of stuff. But like, honestly, you almost have to just like, you have to like prepare for that. You have to, you have to plan to like spend that kind of money to get the quality stuff, the stuff that you're seeking out. Like, you know, you know that, like they maintain integrity that way. Speaking of quality, what are you, how are you enjoying your Denali, bro? I love it. I mean, talk about spending a little extra money on something. See, here's a perfect case scenario. Like that's, that's something that I've thought about purchasing for, oh my God, maybe well over a decade. So I'm not, I'm not privy to what you guys are talking about. I don't know much about the difference between the non Denali version of your truck versus the Denali version of your truck. Yeah, it's just the ride. It's a suspension. It's, it's, I mean, it's like the inside, the inside, the interior, all the, the bells and whistles. It's just. So Denali is a separate company. It, it basically is the upgraded model of the Sierra. So now is it owned by, is it like, it's like the Cobra for the Mustang, right? Okay. So it's not, it's not like, what is it? It's the top of the line model. You know, okay. Yeah. Like, yeah, it's like that. Which is where you're going. Like Eddie Bauer was for, I think Ford for a long time. I don't think they're connected to them anymore. So Denali only works with particular brands or is it one? Only, only GMC. Yeah. Oh yeah. That's their, that's their souped up model. I see. Yeah. And it's, I mean, it's normally the ticket prices on like a truck like Justin's is normally like 10,000 plus more just for that. Yeah, just for that. Cause the suspension alone is like a $10,000 upgraded suspension. Well, your truck is not, you don't treat your truck like it's just a truck. It's also your, your kids are in it. That's your daily driver. You're going to go long. Yeah. And it's super spacious. Like, oh my God, my, my kids love it. Yeah. They're, and it's just, and it's functional too. So I kind of went more of the truck because I do have all these projects that are looming around my house. And I already did a dump run with it, which is like, you know, it's a nice, super nice truck. But I'm like, you know, the back is all sprayed. So it's like, got that material where like who cares? Like it's not going to scratch it or anything. And so it's got that functionality that I wanted. And you know, the backup cameras and all these kinds of things that in the downgrading. So when I'm going down, cause I drive 17 every day and it's the slope and my brakes are like the first thing. Like I always have to get my brakes fixed and it downshifts automatically on, on a slope and all that. So it's actually been saving my brakes quite a bit. And just stuff like that. I think maybe correct me if I'm wrong, but if I'm not mistaken, the truck culture where people actually have nice trucks that they drive all the time, that's an American thing, right? I don't think you see that. Totally. In other countries. Yeah. And the reason why I say that is I'll have. Well, they have smaller roads. Yeah. Especially in Europe. Like when I was there and I was. It's totally American thing. Dude, we go big. We go big. We haul shit. Well, the reason why I'm saying that is I'll have family and friends visit from like Italy and stuff. Uh huh. And they're always like, man, there's so many trucks. Like why is everybody driving those trucks? SUVs and trucks, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Seems to be like a bit. And isn't that, isn't the number one selling vehicle in America? Isn't it a truck? The F-150, right? Is that right? Is that one of the number one? If not, maybe just the number one selling truck. Yeah. It's probably the number one selling truck. Yeah. I like trucks to be honest with you. My favorite car, but see the truck that I liked that I had so much. I don't even know if you guys would consider a truck. Like the favorite car I've ever owned was my little Toyota 4-Banger. Oh, yeah. I owned that was my first, uh, like legit car that I bought myself. Just a beater. Yeah. No, no, no. It was brand new. It was brand new base model. Oh, yeah. So it was a Toyota 4-cylinder. No rims, no AC, no power anything. Remember when you have to like crank the window up, you know, with the fucking nostalgia. When you got to lean it when it's hella hot, you got to lean across while you're driving. Or when you're turning your steering wheel unless you're driving because there's no power steering, you had to have some strength to turn that fucker. Oh, when we were high school, my best friend drove a 54 Chevy with no power steering. And I used to remember when we go to lunch, right? It was the old school bench seat. We go three, three wide, three dudes, right? And then he would park it and we'd all help, right? And he had the little GT steering wheel. So you had to turn it like 15. Oh, the problem, bro. I had one, you know, the moon eyes like I had this like killer like steering wheel that I wanted to put on. But before that had this huge boat steering wheel because for a reason. Yeah. So you could get the torque you needed to kind of turn it. But yeah, I remember doing that. Oh, my God, trying to get into a spot at school was fucking challenging. I miss memory when I had. So when I bought my, my, it was my first, like I said, my first actual car that I bought. Actually, this was, I became a personal trainer, started making money, bought this truck and then the first thing I did was like, okay, cool, I'm gonna make it look cool now. So I went and got rims for it and I got an exhaust for it, but I didn't. I was a kind of a cheap skate, which I'm sure you guys can. What? Yeah, I know exactly, especially when it comes to cars. So the guy put this like exhaust on it that was just loud. You know what I mean? And then I wanted a system in it, but I didn't want to buy what was the good speakers that you could buy back then punch. Jail audio. No, not jail audio. There was, it was a puncher. It was the... Rockford Fosgate. Yeah, there you go. But I went to... Rockford Fosgate punch speakers. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Fosgate punch speakers, right? And they had this like box. They had this box that you could put. So there's this box you could put behind the seats of these trucks that kind of fit, but you could have like, because that was a thing. See your base. That was the thing, dude, when we were kids, I don't even know if it's a big deal anymore, but when we were kids, it was about fucking 10, 12 inch woofers allowed you to get your speakers, right? You just bump your way around. 100%. That was a thing. I don't even think that's a big thing anymore, is it? I don't know if it is or is not. You don't hear it anymore. Not like you... When I was a kid, that was a huge deal. When my school... The shittiest cars would have... It was such a big deal. $5,000 systems. It was such a big deal at my school that when we were kids, so we all had like, so you're... We had a senior parking lot and you had... We had this fundraiser where you bought parking spots. Everyone had their own parking spot. Our senior year. And it was the thing to do. You would come to school an hour before school started and everybody backs up their cars. Every high school. Opens up all their doors and is basing their fucking music as loud as possible. And you'd have to get... So there was the jail audio. I remember that was like the best. The Rockford Fosgate woods were decent. Then the amps, right? You had to get like the best amps. Panasonic I think was really good back then and Sony was really good back then. If I'm not mistaken. Yeah, you're mistaken. But yeah. Am I wrong? Super Hick School. We didn't have any of that. You guys had a bunch of trucks and... Chickens? Yeah. And like a couple of muscle cars. It was all about muscle cars. How funny is that? How different it was for you girl? It was all about peeling out and... It was probably lifted, right? Who could lift the truck? How loud your engine was and like we'd show off our engines. Oh no dude. In my school it was your car, your car stereo, how fucking loud it was. Yeah. And then it was rice rockets. We didn't have any of that. That's so weird that because I feel like you and I are closer in age as far as what year, because you graduated in 98? No, no, no. It's where you were from dude. I'm 99. What year were you graduate? 97. It's where I'm location wise. It's location bro. He was in the mountains dude. Well I was at a country, Cowboy Capital of the World, Oakdale. I grew up in the high school that was Cowboy. But that was, I mean that's spot on. Rice rockets. Yeah. I drove the rice rocket. With the big old big ass exhaust. Five and a half inch dunk exhaust. Yeah. Yeah. No. I drove the fast and furious car. My best friend. You're 170 horsepower. Yeah. You guys actually had power. Yeah. Like muscle. We had like, we had cars that man. If we were like pushing it with all the mods and shit. Yeah. Oh fuck. My cars got to explode. Got 220 horsepower. Everybody lose their mind. You know, meanwhile you guys are driving. Every bit of every bit of money that I made through high school and probably even into my first year or two in junior college. I fucking spent on my rice rocket car. You had an Integra. Yeah. And it started with a. I remember that car, dude. Remind me. You had a Type R, right? No. It wasn't a Type R. It was just an LS but I had completely torqued the engine. Everything was done to that. Every bolt on. The only thing I didn't have was forced air. So no turbo or nitrous. So you had headers. Oh headers. Oh yeah. Fuel rail system. Everything was done on that. Change the police system. Carbon fiber. Everything. I even had a short shifter, dude. So my shifter was super short and little. Everybody did that. I had a whole new clutch flywheel. Oh man. Everything was done to that car. So what was it? I had a five and a half inch tack with a light that shift. Tell me when to shift. Bro, this is a car by the way. Straight fast. He had probably under 250 horsepower. Yeah it was. He was probably pushing like 230. But fast, bro. Fast. Everybody had like 400. Dude. I used to chew up Corvette. Oh no, bro. I used to run fucking real, real fast. Real real fast. The cars, you gotta understand one thing though. Because they're lightweight. Well no. You also gotta consider this because I was actually having this conversation with my cousin. When we were kids, if you had a car that was 250 horsepower, you were like, holy fuck that's fast. Today fucking economy cars have 250 horsepower. It's so different. Well yeah, but that's different. Even mustangs were slow. Mustangs were slow in the 90s too. Camaros weren't even that fast. Well no. An SS would be, yeah. Your 5.0 liters were fucking big engines, bro. Those cars. But they weren't that fast, dude. Yeah, they were. Those cars were running under 14 second quarter miles. Come on, dude. No, no. Not in the late 90s. Maybe the original 5.0s. So the fastest cars they had, yeah. Yeah, but like, I remember my cousin had a Camaro Super Sport, which was like one of the fastest production cars you could get aside from the super cars, right? And it was 300 horsepower or 320 something horsepower. Like, today you could go get like an economy car that's gonna have almost that much, dude. Like, fast cars now blow away. Dude, that whole industry, like they've upgraded everything. So much. It's just standard. So much. But you, so. The Hellcat, you could buy that for like, what is it? 700 horsepower? It's under like $70,000 or something. You could like afford it. Right. And it's got, like you could put that on a track and blow your hair off. Well, dude, you could get a 4Banger now. You could go get a WRX STI 4Banger that's got pushing more horsepower than the freaking Super Sport Camaro was in the 90s. You know what I'm saying? And it's got four cylinders. But yeah, it was all about rice rockets. It was all about the big stereos. But see me being not really a car guy, but kind of trying to be cool. I went to the flea market and I come. So you're going to laugh at this. You just get a bunch of stickers. And remember. All the bolt on spoilers. You were the guy that got the bolt on exhaust, but not the full exhaust system to the Cadillac converter and back. So here's what. So it sounded cool. I had the K&N air filter. That's what I had. Oh, wow. Exactly. Big time. So here's what you got to understand is like I was like, no, I'm going to be frugal because that's my that's my nature. Right. So I went to the flea market piece by piece. I'm like, I'm going to get my fucking speakers at the flea market because I could get 12 inch subwoofers there for way cheaper. So I go there and I see these 12 house stereo speakers. I went. There's 12 inch speakers and they were called crunch. Not punch. I had a little plan words there. Crunch and I'm like little off brand. I'm like, fuck, they're big. Like this is going to be good. So I had those in the back of my head. Doug, what was the cool thing in high school for you? What was I mean, when you showed up to school on campus, I mean, no, definitely wasn't stereo systems like that. I'm sure what was going what was going on? High school like hardcore was like hardcore hacky sack going on. 1983. You're 1983. Yeah. Oh God, cars sucked at that time. Didn't they? Well, of course, you'd get your muscle cars from the 70s. That's still hot. Oh, yeah. For sure. That was still the thing to do that. Did you guys congregate at the like the senior parking lot? Was it like it where everyone hung out and did drugs and did things like smoke? I was a pretty straight lace guy in high school, but there was an area downtown the town I grew up in. They everybody drive around a big circle. They called it the loop. Oh, we had a strip called McHenry Avenue in Modesto. Shout out to everybody who lives in Modesto. McHenry Avenue is this long. It's the long straight. It's the main road that goes through Modesto. Right. And every Friday night, you would cruise and everybody comes out there and you drive 20 miles an hour all the way down this 15 mile before the internet. Oh, no, totally. Yeah. 100% exact. And this is the only way you'd see this is what we would do this. We would literally do this. This would be my Friday night. We would get in our cars and we four or five of us that had all these tricked out, you know, like all the rice rockets and the integrals like mine. And, you know, we had all the, you know, hyper lights and different colors and shit. Right. You would literally cruise up and down this 15 mile strip or something. I'm just I guessing it's 15 miles might be shorter than that. And you would just go up and back. Until a cop pulls you over, which would happen to me all the time. You know, cop pulls you over tells you no more. You can't. You're not allowed to cruise. You're not supposed to cruise, but everybody does it anyways. Yeah. And it's like in moss landing where everybody raced like consistently. Because you could just see, you know, miles like it was like three miles or something you could see like way far. And so you'd have somebody like at the end there to kind of tip everybody off if a cop was nearby. But like all kinds of people's cars got impounded and like it happened all the time. Everybody everybody here raced at Bailey's, which is, Oh yeah, I've heard about that. Yeah. There was a death or something not that long ago and people cut, but it's that long road down when you go towards Morgan Hill where there's no lights and people would just meet down there and race. But the cruising was we I mean we go to Santa Cruz and we cruise around there or we cruise around, you know, I mean it's like cruise on my turf, bro. Yeah. You're just, all you're doing is driving. It's funny because kids have zero idea of what this, nobody really does this anymore, but you would just get in your car and drive. And then the goal was to see if you could make eye contact with the cute girl right in the car next to you. And of course you need a cool car to do this. It's like you can't, you know, drive. Exactly what you would do and then you would holler at them to pull over at the Denny's. Then you go have Denny's with them and then hopefully hook up and hang out and go to a party together at school. So you think that doesn't happen anymore, huh? I think it happens less and less because it blows me. You're probably right. I have no idea. Dude, do you know, so I actually looked this up. I can't remember what it was, but the average age that a kid gets their license now is so much older. I've had, I have clients who've got kids who are, 20 years old who won't get their license. They just want to Uber everywhere. Not only Uber and they just don't go anywhere. They're lazy. God, so fucking disappointing. Well, you're disappointing. You're talking to your friends and shit through the internet and you're, you know how many industries, this is so funny. Get a car. It's freedom. Dude, I literally just saw this. I got to find it. I literally just read this article on millennials. They'll say millennials are killing all these industries because they're not, they're not doing a lot of things that we did. So like they're not, they're not buying, they're not going to the same fast food restaurants or going out to dinner in general. Like millennials now prefer to meet up and hang out at home and watch Netflix versus go to a movie and eat out. Like there's all these, like things are changing so much with this kind of stuff. They don't hang out like we used to do. I think, you know, talking about Netflix, I think it's crazy if you start watching, are you guys paying attention to how Netflix suggests movies to you and how there's a ranking now on how Katrina and I got into this and I was so funny. So we just found this. I didn't know they started doing this. I think it's pretty recent that when you click on a series now on Netflix in green, it will show what percentage to you're liking that, that this series is. Yeah. And it's based off. I would say brought back the star system. Right. So we're, you know why they did that? Because people were fucking good system. We're going through and we're surfing through these series like, oh, let's find a new one that we haven't watched that. That's, you know, high and right. We're going like high as far as like the percentage. And we're going through like, oh, this is cool. This is cool. Oh, man, this is so cool. And I'm, and I'm fascinated of course, my business brand going like, wow, this is so smart the way they're doing this. And there's, you know, totally Facebooking us right now or they're just cattling us and all these these categories. They know how long you've been watching something when you're a market to us. Yeah. And she comes across as one like, there's no way that's recommended to us. And she goes, look, it says 94% to us. I go, wait a second. Are we on your, your niece's account? Yes. Yes. It's I was like, oh, that happens to me too. I'm like, you're fucking up our fucking algorithm, man. I say, it's logged into the wrong one. Yeah. Watch all these like cartoons and all this shit. And I'm like, ah, why don't I keep getting all these lame kids stuff? Yeah. Right. It's funny. I didn't even dawn on me until I had recommended something. Bullshit. There's no way it's 94% accurate to me. I'm like, oh, wait a second. You and your niece have been liking all these lame ass movies. You're fucking up my algorithm here. Dude, so check this out. I pulled up the article. Trip off this, right? A Bloomberg report found that more, okay. So marriage is down among millennials. They're getting married at slower rates. They're having less sex than previous generations. They are disappointing. They check this one. This one's a crazy one. Number of ticket buyers aged 18 to 24 dropped off by more than one-third between 2013 and 2016. That's a huge ticket buyers in what movies? Wow. Huge drop. No, they'd rather stay home and watch. Did you see my post that I did about Netflix on our forum? Uh-uh. Oh, I posted on our forum about this. So I predict that movies like what we, what we're so used to and we'd love to go watch are slowly dying, which so you're just confirming what I was predicting earlier. So stats are out there. I didn't know they were out there like this because I'm watching this, this recent Netflix series, which is the Last Chance You, which is the football one. Yes, yes. Fucking awesome. Love it. The newest one's even better. Okay. The level of production that is happening right now is fucking ridiculous. It's a reality show, but I caught myself multiple times in the season going, whoa, I was sucked in like this was a real movie. Yeah. Like I was really the production value. So good. They're starting to put more and more money into the production of reality shows because obviously more people are drawn to it. Yeah. And so it's creating this new market. I predict that if we will even go to the movies in the future, if that's even going to happen anymore, it will be reality stuff. Oh, wow. That are just done. Oh, wow. Like Steven Spielberg does a reality show. Weird. Right? It sounds weird, but when you start watching some of these shows and you realize how much the production is starting to go into reality shows, it makes sense. It's not only that, but consider the pirating that happens with movies, like with music. At some point, it'll be the death of the mega-money blockbuster movie. It's already put a big black eye on that whole process. Why would they invest $100 million on making a movie when pirating is only getting worse and worse, they're not going to make the money at the movie theater like they used to. Well, it's interesting too even with the theaters have evolved like two of the theaters that I go to all the time like have completely rearranged the format. So it's like, you know, they've catered to that home experience where I can recline and have this like super comfortable chair. They have to. Yeah, but there's less seats in there. And I just realize like how many seats they eliminated and creating. But the price goes up. The price goes up, yeah. They have to. That's what they have to do. They have to because people in the future who are going to want to go to a movie are going to want to go to a movie like you'd go and you didn't give a shit about your seats and experience now. It's now it's all about the experience. So I think it's going to be more interactive. Totally. Remember to change the channel. Never choose your own ever choose your own adventure books. Imagine watching a movie where there's a voting system right then and the whole audience gets to vote. Yes, the whole audience that votes and then that directs the direction of the movie. How pissed off will you be if yeah. I want to see you go this way. Every time I go it gets the same way. Oh, no. That's fucking hilarious. Dude, I didn't tell you guys a little quick hilarious story yesterday. So we're having dinner at my mom's house and my grandparents are over there and I've told you guys about my grandfather. He's pretty much the epitome of like he embodies zero macho one. No, he just embodies zero fucks. Okay. He's 86 years old. He comes from a different era. He's also that old school society kind of guy. So when you add those factors up, he literally doesn't care. Like he doesn't give a shit about, you know, who's around him, whatever he's gonna say, what he's gonna say. So we're sitting there and there's only like maybe the third. Which by the way are my favorite guys. I love talking. Bro, it's like my Uncle Casey. Same type of person. Yeah, I expected that. Dude, I can't wait to know your Uncle Casey when he's in his 80s. I can't even wait to hear what he's gonna say. But anyway, so we're sitting there and she's only met my grandparents, like four times, three times maybe. So we're sitting there and we're all eating dinner and my grandfather looks at me and he makes this smile and he leans over and I'm like, oh, shit, he's gonna fart. No. Yeah, dude. No. So he lets it out but it's kind of quiet and Jessica is like in this conversation with my mom. So she doesn't even hear it, right? So she doesn't even hear it. Smell it? No, no, no. So she doesn't hear it. So my grandfather's kind of laughing and I'm busting up looking at my grandfather, like you fucking disgusting human being, like you always do this when there's people around that we don't know, like what are you doing? And my grandfather's cracking up and I thought that was the end of it. Nope, wasn't the end of it. No, okay. Later on, dude, he made sure that she was right next to him so she could hear exactly what's going on and he just, I mean, like, bro, like loud, like ripped one. And Jessica just starts cracking up and I'm laughing but the thing that made me laugh the most is my old school Sicilian grandmother who just looks at him with this look on her face like, just disdain. Yeah. It's not disgust. It's not like, it's not anger. It's frustrated. It's not anger. It's just like, you could tell she's looking, she has this look like, why did I marry you? Like, why am I, this is horrible I've been with you for this long and you still do. You know what I mean? I can't teach you anything else. What's wrong with me that I love you? Yeah, why am I even here? I think stuff like that. Like, she's like, you're just, you're just a disgusting person. I don't know why you think this is okay. Like, it's a very serious comment and my grandfather's cracking up and then he does another one. You know? Oh my God. And we're all laughing. So epic. It's good times and It's refreshing. Yeah. And you know what? There's a part of me that's like, you know, the freedom. It is free. It must feel amazing. He probably just like wakes up like, yeah. You imagine just feeling that kind of freedom. I think the fuck is on your let it out. Yeah. You know what I mean? I think that's what we're we all are working towards. Right. This that's enlightenment. It is right. You could totally make an argument. You get to a point where you're just like, you know what? I'm tired of like carrying what everybody else thinks I'm going to be me a hundred percent. What are you? Okay. So let me ask you guys this. Yeah. What are you guys going to look like when you finally stop truly giving fuck? I'll just disheveled like my hair isn't just yeah. What will you look like? What will you dress like when you finally have reached that limit? Do you think you think much will change with our appearance? Of course. Really? Of course. I like, okay. So I definitely will always work out. The reason the reason because I love doing that. I don't know how much like how much of that will completely change. Not to say that it won't. I'm not disagreeing with you. But I think there's a part of us that has connected. You know, when you feel fit and when you take care of yourself and also you we feel like that that carries over into my relationships, my confidence, my production. Yeah. I don't know what that means for you. That's why I'm asking like for me like I know I'm probably I'm always going to exercise and eat right just because I really don't care about what other people think when I go. I think I'm always going to be working on, you know, getting strong and like maintaining that. But I can't. I can't. I definitely will stop like combing my hair. I kind of do that now sometime. Yeah. No, you're already on the right track. Bro, I'm reaching. I'm reaching enlightenment. I want you guys. I'm going down the path. I don't know. His hair is like kind of perfectly feathered like in a dad. It coys itself. It coys itself natural. I don't know what. How to describe it. Which is weird. It's a weird thing because you're like on a sitcom. You know what I mean? Like one of those like dude. Hey, Danny Tanner. How weird is that? Like Cramer. Like Cramer. Something that it's just like it just forms. It does. I don't know. It's so weird. My hair never did that when I was a kid. It looked like Medusa. Now if I don't comb my hair, it kind of combs itself. It just kind of relaxes. It does. I think it comes itself. I don't think it really does. Bro, when I take my headphones off, all I have to do is shake my hair and it goes into that kind of dad to the side haircut. Look, it just does it, dude. It's so weird. But yeah, I probably won't comb my hair anymore. I'll definitely wear the same one or two pair of sweats. I don't think I'll ever wear anything else. You know what I'm saying? It'll just be one or two pair of sweats. I think it has my... I might get into polyester pants. Yeah. Are they comfortable? That's when you go real, real dad or a real like, like grandpa. I'll bring my linen back out, my Tommy Bahamas. I went through a phase, dude, in my 20s. Wow. I went through a phase in my mid-20s. Oh my God. Rocking Tommy Bahamas. I'm just picturing us like retired somewhere. That's what I'm trying to do right now. I'm trying to do that. I'm doing ass shades. Like I'll cover my whole face. I still... I'm possibly putting like some sun tan. So here's what I think. This is what I think. I think Justin's going to look like your stereotypical like grandfather. Just like a grouchy-looking old man. Yeah. Where he's like, get off my lawn. I think Adam... I'm turning into that slowly. I can't picture what you're going to dress like Adam because I don't know. I can't really envision that. But I think your level of the shit that you'll say to people... He's like that old man with the pimp cane. Yeah. Like he just kind of walks around and he's got this like swag. I just feel like he's going to tell people they're idiots like all the time. Yeah. Like that's probably... Because you're almost like that anyway. You know what I mean? You're almost... You're almost enlightened on that level of rig. You know, so I feel like... You still have sun filter left. Yeah. I feel like I'm going to want to hang around with him when I'm old just because then I'm not going to care and I'm going to laugh. Yeah. He's going to say something and I'm going to... Just now when you try and calm me down about it. Like, hey bro, you can't say that. Yeah. Fuck yeah, I can. Yeah. No, you're going to say it and I'm just going to laugh. Do what I want. And I'm going to hug you afterwards. And I'm just going to... Dressing a certain way and taking care of my hair and all that stuff. That could be a possibility. But I definitely foresee... You're not going to have to worry about your hair. When I fucking dick. Sorry. You had to say it. Fucking god. You pitched that to me. That was a low blow. You underhanded that. It's okay because you won't care, dude. We're not caring anymore. You're right, you're right. No, I do see less of a filter though. You know, I definitely... There won't be a filter at all dude. Right now your filter, like I can see through the holes, that's how big the filter holes are. Yeah. That's going to be nice. What's happened to me, even in my short time now of watching this progress, right? If I'm truthfully like pulling myself out and kind of reflecting on like this evolution of the zero fucks or just being super candid, right? Just being blunt. You know what I have found that sometimes it stings and sometimes you piss people off. That's inevitable. But I think that's inevitable no matter how nice of a person you are, no matter how little you say. Like it's inevitable where you're going to rub it off. So I feel like it doesn't really accelerate that as much as you think it would by being so blunt and saying things. And in fact, I find that more people appreciate it, even if they don't appreciate it at first when you first give it to them that way. Well, especially when they expect it going into it. So like if you've already established that, then like yeah. So then people just feel way more comfortable around you. Because it's like, you know, you're just going to say it like it is. Well yeah, that's why my favorite clients, it's one of the number. If I had to rank the top three reasons why my advanced age, that's got to be up there. I could see that. I used to love training older people because they kept it real. Oh, they would just say shit that was totally unfiltered. That was so amusing and hilarious. Yeah. It was. Or enlightening, right? Oh, of course. The wisdom there was just incredible. I learned so much from training older people, but just their candidness and their openness with saying shit. And some of the stuff that they would say was just horrible. Yeah. I had an old. That's the best. Old Irish client, this older Irish gentleman client that I trained. He was like 80 something. And when he found out I was Italian would just tell me all the, the most racist, stereotypical shit about stuff that he thought about Italians when he's growing up. But he's not. He's cool. Like we're cool. And he would tell me these things and I would just crack up. You know what I mean? I would just laugh. You know, he'd be like, yeah, it was, you know, I used to like the Italian girls, but they were crazy. And I, you know, the guys were kind of they used to grease up their hair and he would do it. And he's a, you know, he's a cool guy to me. And we'd have these great conversations. Then he'd give me, tell me all these racist jokes about my own people. Of course. Which I really appreciate it. That's the best. Oh, it's great. I'm not even going to repeat half of them on it. It's so bad. Doug, bring on the damn bird. The racist bird. Fucking bird. That's going to shit on you. Ah. Today's Quas being brought to you by Chimera Coffee. It's the only coffee that is infused with all natural neutral picks for a cleaner, calmer and more focused buzz without the crash. Put the Chimera link at mindpumpmedia.com and input the discount code Mindpump a checkout for 10% off. It's the motherfucking Quas. The eagle has landed. All right. Our first question is from Hardy Josh 1. It seems like every time I give advice to a friend, he doesn't listen. But when someone else says the same thing, he listens. Is there any way of getting through the first time? This is like me talking to Sal all the time. This is how I feel. Yeah. Always trying to tell this guy something. Yeah. Doesn't listen to anything I say. If Justin comes up with the idea, and all of a sudden it's brilliant. Yeah, exactly. Doug told me once. You said a saying once, Doug, to me, and I can't remember what it was. Do you remember what I'm talking about? Yeah. You can't be a prophet in your own land or something to that effect. Yes, yes. Ooh, that's good, Doug. Yeah, the most. He told me this. The eagle coming in with some wisdom. I dropped a knowledge on you guys today. So Doug said that to me because when we first started the podcast, I was expressing to him how it was so difficult for me to convince friends and family members to just fucking check it out. Just listen to it. And then when they finally did on their own, I would get messages from some of them. Like, I had a cousin who... Are you talking about mine, Pump? Yeah. I had a cousin who... See, if you were listening, then you'd know. If I had a cousin who... So I had this one cousin I didn't really ever talk to that much. And he messaged me out of the blue listening to all of our episodes. And I told Doug about this. And he's like, that's a great thing. That's a great sign because the people in your own circle are the hardest ones that you can get to listen to your advice or pay attention. It's August, yeah. And I think it's because you have a history with these people. So like, you know, if I have a history with a friend of mine and we grew up together and they saw me as this kid and they knew all the issues that I had as a kid. And now I'm all of a sudden an expert in a particular field. It's hard for them to listen to me because they view me a particular way based on their old image of me. Versus if they had just met me. The hardest people to convince are the people that are closest to you. Always. It is so hard to talk to my family about health and wellness. Just to talk to my wife. I mean, it's like, it's one of those things like I actually look for other smart people that have the same message and then I have them talk to her. And then it resonates and it's like, wow, you've been saying this and it's not that... Look who she's working with now. Yeah, exactly. That's what I'm saying. That's why it's perfect because it's just one of those things, dude. Like when you're so close to somebody, you know, you kind of understand where they're coming from but for some reason a lot of times it just doesn't, it doesn't click. It doesn't resonate because like you said, you have this history with them and that's just, you sort of like go autopilot or something. Like your brain just, doesn't receive it the same way as it does. Somebody new at this new stimulus coming in. Part of the insanity of being a human. I mean, if I'm going to listen to advice from anyone, logically, it should be the people I'm closest to. Right? They're the ones that probably have the best insight and yet I'm less likely to listen to them because I know them and because I'm close to them. It's really... You're almost more vulnerable too. You know, you're opening yourself up to people that are that close to you and you admit that you don't know something, you're actually seeking their knowledge. Dude, I had an argument with my mom last night because she watches my kids. Right now she's watching my kids during the week because they don't have summer school and then school hasn't started yet and I really don't like the way that our family and even our culture approaches food. I just don't like it. It's not a healthy relationship. The whole forcing you to clean your plate, the whole forcing you to eat certain things, the whole... It's very old school mentality. I'm going to give you... I'm going to give you... If you finish your vegetables, I'll give you some ice cream so like giving you a treat for eating something else. You're rewarding him. That whole thing, like I have a big problem and my daughter so far looks like she's probably going to need braces at some point and I know the nutritional impact on just the way... Not even cavities. A lot of people don't know this and most dentists will argue this but your nutrition plays a role in how your teeth form and when the dentist tells you your mouth is too small. That's why your teeth are crowding. Bullshit. Your mouth is too small because there are other factors that have caused that to happen. Humans didn't evolve to have fucked up teeth. If we did, we'd all die out. You know, this whole pulling out your wisdom teeth. Bullshit. You ever wondered yourself like why the fuck everybody should have the wisdom? This scam. Why did we evolve? I haven't say that forever. Why did we evolve to have wisdom teeth if we don't pull them out and we're going to kill ourselves? That doesn't make any fucking sense. Why do they call them wisdom? Because you get them when you're older maybe? So, I'm having this conversation with my mom and I'm like, listen, it's because her nutrition is off. It's because our diet especially when she eats over here is grain heavy. It's pasta, it's bread, it's all that stuff like if we start working with nutrition better we won't see it and she's like, it has nothing to do with teeth. That's all genetic and I'm having this argument with her and I'm like literally telling her telling my mom and I get irritated because she's my mom. Of course, when you talk to your own parent you can be. And I'm like, listen, this is literally an area you have zero knowledge in. And this is an area. Yes. And I'm like, and this is an area that I've worked in for 20 years and I get to talk to all these professionals because of my podcast. So, why are you and she's like, well, I have experience raising four kids. I'm like, you're an anecdote with four kids is worth less than my expertise. And I'm trying to explain to her like, so I had to like, I pulled up articles. You know, I got in a group text on my aunt who's also a health professional. I'm like, can you please talk to me a little bit? But it's so difficult. And so I had this exact experience like yesterday. Yeah. And I guess you just have to deal with it. And the part that I have to deal with for myself isn't so much that she's not listening to me. It's that then I get offended that she doesn't listen to me, which I just have to be okay with. Well, what we have to understand is that everybody is going to have their own journey. And when we want something to go our way, like, like the example you're giving right now, it's, you know, the hardest thing is to pull ourselves out of that and then reflect on why do I want this so bad? Now, in your case, it's tough because it's affecting your children, right? Like that's, I get where you're coming from. That's to me, there's more of a struggle there because it's like, you're affecting my, my children's lives. And I, and I want to influence them in the right direction because it's your own child. Now, as far as like what I think this question is probably geared towards, which is the average person who's like, has a friend who's making poor eating choices or not training correctly. And it's like, why won't they listen to me or why won't they get it through their thick skull? I just learned to accept that everyone has their own journey, their own path. If that person really wants to learn this, they will eventually come to me. I even have, Katrina and I, we'd, we've been together for over six years. It wasn't, but maybe three years ago, did I really start helping her with nutrition and working out. And that was because very early on in the relationship, I got this, the sign that she felt very confident in training herself. She was a collegiate level athlete. She's always worked out. She's always taken care of her body. When she went and got her body fat tested, she was like 14% body fat, which anybody who knows that for a female is very lean. And so, you know, just because I was a trainer and I have all this experience doesn't mean that I can tell her, she knows her body and she's obviously had success with it. So I left it alone. And, you know, the old Adam would have tried to impose my knowledge on her to get her to do the things that I know would help her out. And I know she'd be happy when she listened to me. But then I realized that's not her journey. That's not her journey. That's not her path. And, you know, she has to come to that on her own. And what I can do is I can just be there. I can be there and be supportive. And when there's opportunities for me to answer a question and, and dive a little deeper and educate her indirectly, I will. And if she doesn't ask questions, then I'll leave it alone. And it took literally three years before she came to me and she finally said, okay, if you were to, you know, take over my nutrition and my training for two weeks, what would it look like? And then I was like, okay, this is what we're going to do. You can only meet people where they're at. You can't help someone that doesn't want to be helped. It's impossible. Yeah. That's the old, the old, well, it's very true. And sometimes if you're, because it's hard, it's hard to watch someone, especially if they're hurting themselves, right? It's hard to watch someone do something and not say something when you feel like you have the solution. It's a, it's a, it's a fucking test, man. It's very, very difficult. But you know, the other way looking at it is if you're constantly giving, telling someone what they need to do and no longer becomes their idea or their choice if they decide to do it, which makes them resist it even more. They're less likely to stick to it then. I had this, my, you know, when I was married, my ex just would not fucking exercise, just wouldn't do it for the longest time precisely because that was the field I worked in and because I talked about it and preached it so much. 100% recognized that it was because I was pushing it, she would not do it. Right. And it happened much, much, much later when I basically in my mind gave up and it started happening. And then of course you develop resentment around that and all that stuff. So I've learned quite a few lessons in this particular category. And then for the rest of my family, I've got family members that work out and we'll talk about how their body's not responding. And I'm like, you know, and just quiet knowing that listen, I got maps, I got a program you can follow that will blow away the shitty one that you're doing right now. But I don't say anything anymore because it doesn't, not only is it not effective but in my experience it pushes them back. No, to me that is incredible awareness because when you unpack it and you ask yourself what is my desired outcome? My desired outcome is that my family member in this situation or my friend learns the right way to exercise and eat and I want them to figure that out. Now, the way I'm going about it is probably not working because all they're doing is they're shutting off. And am I driving them further away from that day when they actually, the light bulb does go on and they do actually ask me for help. And so that's what I had to ask myself was even though my desired, if my true desired outcome is to help them and get them on the right path then me trying to force them onto that path was really just detouring them longer from getting on that path when I realized that if I stepped away and just allowed them to go on their own journey continue to focus on doing what I do well and eventually there'll be an opportunity where they will finally if they're doing the wrong things that are unhealthy and bad eventually it'll catch up. It'll eventually catch up to them and you obviously hope that ends up being a sign that's not fatal. And normally it's not when we're talking about health and fitness working out. Well, sometimes, yeah and I run into the same exact issue with my family and especially with my parents and their nutrition and they watch my kids and all that kind of stuff and it gets frustrating but one tactic that I have because I don't want to just be passive about it. So I know like internally I know that they have to want to find what is healthier and what will benefit their body more. So I just when I'm there I'm there, I'm present I'm listening to them and their ideas so what I try to do is stoke the conversation at least. So I ask if it's dinner I'm asking about what's in the salad and I'm asking about what type of meat and where they're getting it from and I'm just asking them questions just to see where their mind is with well it was on sale and I got it at Walmart and I'm like oh, okay so it's a price thing. And it's like super condescending. I don't deliver it condescending like that but that's what's going on in my head. It's hard dude. I just want to bring all that stuff to surface so it's not like I want them to know I'm paying attention. Do you know what I mean? I am here and I have eyes and you can ask me you know that I know a lot about this subject but it's up to you to pursue it so I have to kind of like figure that out. Because you guys have kids I think that's a whole different conversation because for me when I run into this and it's a friend or a family or something like that and I really truly have perspective on this to me I look and reflect on my own insecurities and what makes me want to do that and I know that I have my own insecurities of wanting to be smarter and tell people how smart I am so that's an insecurity of my own and so a lot of me wanting to teach and show them is primarily driven by my own insecurities and it's not really I code it and I'm trying to help them but really I want to show them how smart I am and so when I look at that and I go okay it's really more about that I need to fucking tone it down and pull back and realize that this is really about myself and my own insecurities and it's really not truly about them because if it's really truly about them this is not the quickest path to get them there in fact I'm probably pushing them away more by trying to force it down on them and I have a similar situation with this with my best friend who doesn't even really listen to the show and he has a sleep disorder that is connected to Parkinson's and we've had all kinds of people on the show that were you know like Dom who talked to me about the ketogenic diet related to that and you know I remember one and then also the research that's coming out with cannabis and my buddy's super anti-canabis so I remember for a long time I was like trying to force all this information down on them and I knew it was because I really wanted him to realize like dude I fucking know what I'm talking about here you need to listen to me listen to this information and he was just it was falling on deaf ears and it was it wasn't until later did I really just stop doing that and after a shit he's he's done the ketogenic diet he does that now and he's making those choice those choices on his own but I was not helping him get there any faster by me trying to force the issue to me that's that's more common than we think it is it is a whole new dynamic when you talk about your children I can't even begin to explain the difficulty and by the way I got my kids have great grandparents my parents are awesome but the the the challenge between parents and grandparents because the way that they love they they think they're loving your kid or whatever the way they show their love it could be completely opposite of what may be good for them like the way my parents show love is to feed the fuck out of them and I'm the grandma I can give them treats and that's my job we'll literally say that in front of my kids you know what I'm saying it's a very very difficult thing to deal with but here's on the flip side of it when it happens to me I try to challenge myself when someone else tries to give me advice I try to make sure that I'm not that person you know what I mean I try to say okay well am I not taking this advice because it's someone I know maybe I should be open to it yeah for 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does not boost testosterone does the opposite it suppresses testosterone the the scientific literature on test boosters the herbal test boosters tribulus terrestris is one of them Ashwagandha may even have some benefits for testosterone boosting is it a horny goat weed horny goat weed tongue cat Ali deer antler velvet antler stuff you rub on your so very few of them weird very few of them show test boosting effects some of them actually do tongue cat Ali I forgot what the other name for tongue cat Ali is this is known by two different names but will boost test panther will boost testosterone so will tribulus terrestris however in studies they only boost testosterone in men who have low testosterone when they give them to people with normal testosterone levels they don't have an effect on their testosterone zinc vitamin D will do this as well in men who may be slightly deficient in those two things if you have low testosterone you have a slight deficiency in zinc and you take zinc you're going to get a big a big test boost one supplement in studies has shown to raise testosterone in everyone but for a very short period of time and that's deaspartic acid that was shown in some studies to boost testosterone in men over a 10 day period however new studies have just been published showing that it doesn't it's not replicable they've actually done a few other studies and shown there's no there's no boosting going on with test test boosters so I don't know what your guys' experiences are with taking I've taken it on myself and I felt pretty much nothing but I have had clients who had success with someone and they typically which ones they were yeah older older 40 plus year old men that have claimed that they have low test levels and then they've taken things like this and they've noticed a boost and so I think that somebody who suffers from low testosterone already when they take these herbal supplements or over-the-counter type test boosters I think those guys do notice a little bit of a difference and I think there is some validity to them taking it but the average person who's like probably asking this question is normally like some 25 year old you know kid or guy who's trying to build build some muscle it's not worth the money it's not worth wasting your time fucking around with it put that money into better quality food or better gym membership or better programming like that to me those guys don't even but if you are 45 plus years old and you suffer from low testosterone then you know taking something like this to help you out I think it helps guys get to this more normal level asking a guy who's like in their young teens or early 20s who's already high testosterone thinking that it's going to elevate you like synthetic testosterone does you're going to be disappointed I think that's my opinion what you need to understand with when anytime you take something that will affect the hormone I need to understand or everybody else needs to understand no everybody is that your body will eventually try to regulate this and balance itself out and whatever effect you may be getting it'll start to become negative if I take something that has activity at the, I don't know the hypothalamus for example because that's responsible for along with the testes and the pituitary responsible for testosterone to some extent like deaspartic acid it's believed that deaspartic acid has hypothalamic activity and that's how it's stimulating testosterone well your body then will regulate the other through using the pituitary and through the testicles will start to change things that you stop producing more testosterone through those avenues and you will start to flatten out and this may be why some of the early studies showed that deaspartic acid raised testosterone but it only lasted for 10 days there's also anti-estrogen methods or aromatase inhibiting methods to boosting testosterone so one thing you could do like a Novodex right so Novodex testosterone is the generic name is a prescription drug that blocks the estrogen receptor and your body will sense that you have less estrogen and will boost testosterone to produce more estrogen because in men this is typically what if you go see a hormone therapist this is typically the route they take first before they prescribe synthetic so if you go see a therapist for your hormones like someone like me who went to do or I knew I had low and the first thing they want to give me is just like here take some Novodex let's see if that kind of boosts you up naturally and then from there we'll decide if we want to add synthetic so the rationale behind that is kind of this jumpstart theory because if you do get a boost from taking from blocking estrogen receptors you already have low testosterone it's not going to do anything with someone who's got healthy healthy testosterone so you will get a boost and the theory is that giving you a jumpstart then we can take you off these estrogen blockers is it really a boost or is it because they're suppressing the estrogen so it makes it feel like the testosterone is higher it's a boost yeah so I was unsure that I was under the impression that the feeling that I would get from that would be because you're lowering the estrogen so it just feels the ratio so what happens is your brain because one of the major ways because men also have estrogen we have estrogen in our bodies just like women have testosterone just less and one of the things that you're one of the main ways that men's testosterone estrogen levels are developed is through the conversion of testosterone to estrogen so if we block the estrogen receptor the body senses less estrogen and it will boost its testosterone production so that you now have more testosterone to convert to estrogen so it's kind of tricking the body if you will the theory is that you're jump starting this production and then once you go off of them now you've got normal testosterone levels the problem with this theory is it doesn't work for everybody in fact it's got kind of a poor track record because once they the body acclimates it stops producing extra testosterone or once they stop taking the tamoxifen it stops producing extra testosterone so and the way that herbs boost testosterone if they do have a direct effect on boosting testosterone then your body will regulate it so it's very short lived effect if it boosts testosterone indirectly like the way ashwagandha may do it it probably because it's helping your body deal with stress overall because ashwagandha for example is this adaptogenic herb that helps your body deal with stress and we know that too much stress or chronic stress is a testosterone killer have you ever influenced somebody's levels by actually just like increasing the fat in their diet oh my god to me that has been one of the easiest ways to help somebody especially because it's very common because of we demonize fat for so long that when I assess somebody's macro breakdown many times they're low fat high carbohydrate you know typically high carbohydrate low fat is what I see and normally when I take a male who's suffering from lower testosterone levels especially if he's advanced age and I say listen we're gonna double or triple your fat and we're just gonna bring your carbs down a little bit a lot of times the first thing they actually notice is their libido or just dieting for too long I mean you can be just being a deficit and get too lean and you'll see every time for a show see how crazy is that I mean on synthetic stuff my last like two or three weeks heading into a show my sex drive just takes a shit and that's the other thing too is herbal test boosters will get they'll get judged based off of how much they affect your libido and so people will say oh this test booster was super effective because I got so horny on it I had this great boost in my libido that doesn't mean it boosts your testosterone there are other ways of boosting libido that have nothing to do with testosterone for example horny goatweed horny goatweed will increase libido or will increase quality what they'll call quality of erections or frequency of erections but it does so by kind of a similar way Viagra does it's got it kind of reduces the enzyme that degrades nitric oxide so it increases blood flow so you get more boners and you think oh shit I have high testosterone no it's because it's kind of boosting nitric oxide through this indirect way that's causing you to have or it's giving you better more quality boners I hate saying that but quality how's your erection quality boners over here high quality boner how's your erection quality so yeah test boosters I mean in terms of actually raising testosterone if you're in normal range they're pretty much a waste of money if you're low they might help you also consider this okay if you have a testosterone level that's normal within range I don't know 700 let's say your testosterone levels measure 700 and you boost testosterone by 20% right you're now at 800 something or whatever you're not going to notice you're not going to build more muscle it's not that much of a difference your testosterone levels very more than that on a daily basis anyway so test boosters can be kind of a waste of money unless again just talk about heavy metal I'm surprised that you missed and you didn't talk about because especially lately your message around this I think is a huge impact on testosterone is sleep oh yeah lack of sleep has a dramatic negative effect on a lot of hormones but testosterone if I'm an advanced age guy and I'm at I don't know this person so I have no idea I didn't get a chance to look at the profile I don't know if it's like a young man who's trying to get the extra edge for building muscle if it's that guy don't waste your money if you're somebody who is 40 plus years old and you're concerned because you think you have lower levels first thing I would check is my sleep second thing I would check is my fat and my diet so increase my fats get some good rest those two things alone I think would make as much of an impact if not more than any of these and it's not just the amount of time sleep it's the quality so as you get older it's not the like they go to bed too late or they wake up too early typically ends up happening especially as you get into retirement age it's quality of sleep so they have all the time in the world to sleep or they go to bed on time they're tired but they have poor quality of sleep and so with those people I would say have a good sleep routine make sure that your room is blacked out and cool you can even try taking a cool shower before bed that looks like it seems to help eliminating electronic use before bed no stimulants throughout the day sleep routine thing that would be more impactful than just going to bed earlier quality sleep quality boners Brian Dominic how much dairy do you guys eat what are your favorite dairy products and what are your overall thoughts on dairy I probably eat the most dairy I was going to say you should probably start this one off you're a dairy queen jeans you're a dairy queen dairy queen dairy queen can we talk about blizzards when was the last time you had a blizzard I think when my wife was pregnant she was craving I'm checking that off this year I'm getting one of those blizzards were the last time I had one there's something about that and when they turn them upside down to show you how like thick well you know okay here along this line in questioning I am so curious to see like you know this continual glucose meter just to see like what happens like chemically with my body like how I'm reacting to all these certain food groups and because I really do feel like it's a fucking mess if you ask me dude oh fuck you man huh oh you're coming at me there's two foods you can eat well you probably you probably eat a lot you've mentioned you like cheese right milk are you consistent with that do you have milk almost every day pretty much and I do fine with it yeah some people react to it you know I've got issues with it I don't know I've eliminated it before and I thought that I'm trying to trace back because I do still have like a chronic heartburn issue that I'm trying to identify like certain food groups that maybe contributing to it the most which for me it tends to be more of a stress related response that I'm starting to kind of nail down but yeah definitely certain foods like certain acidic foods and later in the you know in the day will affect me a certain way and like certain vegetables like certain peppers and things like that like bell peppers like I can eat certain kinds of colors and then some of them you know it gives me a really bad heartburn yeah racist heartburn totally all those red ones get out of here I'll build a wall here's what's cool about dairy first of all all the claims that dairy is not good for anybody dairy's bad and no other animal drinks to fuck can't make a blanket statement like that no dairy's been a part of mankind in some regions for a very very long time dude it was like it was an essential part of survival like people pulled them into their home in many cultures it definitely was and by the way the type of dairy and the quality of dairy matter tremendously so here's something that people don't realize the pasteurization of milk first off we need to examine the roots of it why do we pasteurize milk a lot of people think oh it's to keep a safe from bacteria the truth is pasteurization was invented because the quality of milk that we were producing at that time was so terrible it was so bad it actually had a blue tint to it and people would get sick and the reason why they would get sick is because these were sick cows they were confined in these tight quarters they were fed brewers mash which was these leftovers from these breweries they were full of bacteria and illness their udders were sick and full of pus and they were milking these cows and poor people were drinking the milk and people would get ill they would get sick from bacteria so Louis Pasteur was a scientist that realized that hey if we boil this milk then everybody can drink it nobody will get sick did you guys know that if you feed animals pasteurized milk that they will develop deficiencies in fact you feed calves pasteurized milk and they will not grow and function properly they can only drink to be healthy milk in its raw form that's not good for your bones milk in its raw form is different than milk that is pasteurized if you leave out if you take most of the benefits are found in its raw form dude if you take raw milk talking to the mammary technicians the bovine mammary stretch technician I'm just waiting for Salif I'm over here listening to him like I'm waiting to jump over but he's so far he good I'm doing alright if you take milk that's you take raw milk from a healthy cow and you place it out and you let it sit there in room temperature it doesn't go bad it doesn't go bad at all actually turns into what does it turn into Doug kefir right if you take pasteurized milk and you leave it out it goes sour it actually turns bad raw milk also contains a certain amount of the enzymes that break down lactose so it actually contains some lactase in it so some people who think their lactose intolerant can actually drink raw milk there's also the homogenization process that goes on with milk so what they do raw milk has contains fat and if you leave it out the fat will separate from the rest of the milk and that's where you get the whole cream on top you know cream on top yeah homogenization with a good cup of coffee homogenization pressurizes milk through this process that squishes and crushes the fat into these small particles that then suspend themselves in milk so that it's always even so that you don't have to shake it anymore well that actually damages the fat to a certain extent and changes it a little bit actually makes it less healthy so quality of milk and of course organic makes a big difference so quality of milk makes a tremendous difference but then there's also the intolerance side of it some people many people in fact dairy probably among it's probably on the top of the list of things that people will have intolerance to if they haven't intolerance to anything if you have an intolerance to dairy it doesn't matter the quality of the quantity whatever you probably shouldn't have milk at all I'm one of those people dairy I could have the most quality dairy it could be the healthiest sources, it could be fermented it could be all these amazing things I just can't have it because I'm also not only my lactose intolerant but I'm intolerant to actual dairy proteins that being said if you don't have an intolerance if you come from a region that like Northern European or some areas of Africa or people all over the world even Mediterranean people who tend to have a higher intolerance to dairy some of us have a great tolerance to dairy if you can do that and you can have quality dairy dairy is extremely healthy the fat that's in dairy is very good for you when you have it with other foods it's got fat soluble you know it's got the fat helps you absorb fat soluble nutrients it's a great source of healthy protein it fermented forms it's great for gut flora so dairy can be extremely healthy so long as it's quality and so long that you can tolerate it I'm pretty I use dairy I don't really go after it that much though I probably use it judiciously in my diet like I probably get once every couple days I have either some cheese in there I don't really do milk anymore I've been on almond milk for a really long time for me it's more like this though like even though I know you just said that it's a good source of protein and fats it's actually a guy who's been tracking his macros for quite some time it's not the most macro friendly thing when I'm trying to hit specific targets so it actually it makes it tougher for me to get what I'm looking for in my food so if I'm looking for a certain macro profile where like okay I need X amount of protein I need X amount of fat X amount of carbs for the day dairy products I feel like they don't quite have enough protein for it to be like a really good heavy high source of protein and then it doesn't have quite enough fat for it to be like a great super source of fat unless you're doing something like whole whole raw milk type of deal so for me it's kind of like and I feel like if I over can I can really easily over consume it because I like like cheese is good lots of cheese is really good you know so it's really easy to go from having you know one ounce on everything yeah right it's really easy to have one ounce on something to having four ounces of it melting on it and real quick those calories catch up to you so I've never been I know Justin talks about how much he really enjoys I like cheese don't get me wrong I love dairy I like all dairy products but I don't like them that much and it's not the and I feel like it doesn't always fit my profile so it's something that I sporadically put in there because there are some benefits like you know I don't did you say anything about probiotics did you get into that somewhat so you know there's you know you get some of the benefits from that that's that's great from dairy also so and it's there's not a lot of easy sources to get natural probiotic foods and it's tends to be rich in dairy products so there is a benefit from that this is also why to like I'll have kombucha if I if I haven't been having dairy in my diet lately I'll make sure I get something like that but I don't really I mean maybe a little bit of cheese here and there and it's it's maybe every once in a while have I just had some cottage cheese maybe like a week ago occasionally maybe do like a Greek yogurt thing but it's one of the most adulterated food foods that we have though it really is I mean you can't even buy maybe that's what it is too I feel like it's hard to find like a really quality source right a really good source of any of those things it's it is it's hard to like that was well put because I'm trying to think of like what has caused me not really to get it I'm not really anti it but it rarely fits my macro profile it's hard to find one that isn't fucking been bastardized like it's tough to find a good source of of dairy they actually dude you I'm not even exaggerating you can find these videos on the internet where they will do raids on raw dairies raid like drug raids because these dairies will sell raw milk to people and they're so anti raw milk the funny thing is like if you go back the last 15 years you know nobody's died from drinking raw milk when it's when you have healthy cows producing raw milk it is perfectly safe there's a natural microbiome flora that prevents the milk from going bad and having these pathogens I drank it straight of the teeth for years put your mouth right on it right on it for years literally literally I get to work at four o'clock in the morning walk over the first cow have my black cup of coffee and I'd fill that shit up halfway with fucking real milk straight from the teeth right to teeth straight warm from the other two so doesn't even cool my coffee down it's even better right there's nothing worse than having a good hot cup of coffee to get a pour your cold creamer in there you got straight from the other it's nice and I'm so mad because I'm so mad because whole foods used to sell raw milk and then they passed laws making it illegal can you fucking believe that shit and by the way nobody got sick and nobody died it wasn't like something happened they made it illegal to sell raw milk but I used to buy it and when my kid you know my son was growing up and he would drink milk that was the milk that I gave him was the raw non-homogenized it came in a glass bottle fucking awesome I used to I just so you know though you know circling back I used to do a lot of dairy I used to man cheese on everything I used to drink milk instead of almond milk but it really what made me make the original switch was the macro profile I was that was the main thing and then I realized it didn't really miss it that much and when I do occasionally crave it or I want it in the diet I'll enjoy it but because I don't have any allergies or intolerances to it so it's something that I don't miss but I also find that I don't need either that much I'll say this too about Justin's comment on food intolerances right and trying to identify what's going on one thing you want to consider when it comes to issues health issues they may have nagging issues sometimes it's not one thing that's this major culprit many times it's a combination it's a combination of things and if it was just one of them you wouldn't really notice because it's a small effect but then you compound them right so it could be a combination of dairy maybe gluten maybe stress and when you kind of have that perfect storm then you start to get you know some of these effects so but I'll tell you what if you're trying to figure out food intolerances the one of the first things you cut out is dairy because that is a very very common food intolerance for people quick commercial break hey people ask us all time how they can support mind pump here's what you can do you can go to www.brain.fm forward slash mind pump and get 20% off brain FM for meditation or focus you can also go to audibletrial.com forward slash mind pump and get a 30 day trial plus one free audio book lastly you can go to getnatureblend.com forward slash mind pump and you will get a discount on Ben Greenfield CBD product Phillip Lee Silva what are your body maintenance protocols to make sure you stay healthy and injury free how often do you guys incorporate massage, acupuncture, chiropractic and other body work tools to aid recovery cool question way more now than before out of necessity I used to do none of that I used to do zero I got my first massage like 10 years ago maybe before that I never had a massage I went to a chiropractor when I got hurt acupuncture I went to to deal with heart palpitations once and that kind of changed my relationship with it now I make stretching mobility foam rolling a weekly if not priority at least thrown in there somehow every single week and it's out of necessity because now I guess I'm older and my body really talks to me if I don't do those things so the most common things I'll do now is I will do some kind of structured stretching at least twice a week if I'm doing really good it's four days a week I will foam roll at least two to four days a week I don't get massage very often just because I don't go to pay for one I wish I had one as convenient as Adam does I could get more massage because I really made a big difference and I guess that's pretty much it for me meditation and stuff like that but that's not really considered do you use any of these you're probably using the least I would assume well you do mobility stuff well yeah no that he's listed it off like practices and that's already part of my everyday workout routine I'm always incorporating mobility and movement specific joint considering the health of my joints and all my movement practices so I do use massage as much as I could schedule that in I'm always seeking that out this place it's in Santa Cruz well within and because it's an experience too it's a way to kind of take ourselves outside of our environment go into another environment we actually do the sauna and we also do the steam and then we go and we can do the massage as well so it's like it's this real decompressing stress relieving experience and me and my wife really benefit from it so we try and schedule that once a month at least just so we kind of get that sort of reset but as far as like chiropractic I mean I used to go to chiropractic but that was more when I was playing a lot of impact sports and my body was taking quite a toll just from all the collisions and it was nice to kind of work on that but now working with people like Dr. Brink and focusing a little bit more on the movement patterns and better establishing that throughout the routine like I've kind of been self-sufficient as far as that's concerned so so I I live with the holistic gangster female version for sure so a lot of this is all a part of my life and at the beginning a lot of it was forced in my life like Katrina was a big influencer when it came to massage acupuncture if it was up to her I would even went to a chiropractor but I fought her on that for a very long time the only thing that I don't use is body work tools and to aid recovery and that's just because Katrina thinks that you're a wuss if you need those things and that's just because she believes that if you have the right hands and touch that you can do all that work with your bare hands and so she feels that she can get into all that work with her hands on me and I religiously since we've been a six years now for a year this is no exaggeration I was just teasing her about this the other day for a year every single night for one year she massage me probably one of the better years of my life wow dude spoiled bitch hours hour to two hour sometimes most of the time it was on her table and professional well that's how she locked me in I'm like you fucking suckered me right into that you made me think that for sure that you're going to continue that on and she always throws it back in my face well I'm also managing two companies and doing this you try fucking doing that and massaging your ass every night but she does still massage me on a very regular basis never a week goes by that I don't get at least three massages a week so I get three massages on minimum a week and it's done if I have a week for example if it is just crazy right and I didn't that week which is very rare I ride away no it's night and day difference for me it's a game changer for her to get in and open me up like it helps so much having her do speeds up recovery too so a lot of times what I do is you know she's going to rub me that night she'll ask what I trained and then she'll work that area so she'll work whatever area I'm training currently it definitely helps with recovery and I've used acupuncture before less of a fan of acupuncture although I've used it chiropractic work I am super anti chiropractors unless you're somebody like a Dr. Brink who is more focused on movement so as many times I've seen him he's never put me on the table he's never cracked my back everything that he's done with me work wise has been teaching me how to and intrinsically work on it myself and so that type of chiropractor for me I think has been a game changer also but all these practices I think become necessary as you get older than 30 unless you're somebody like Justin and I think that's why I was pointing out that he probably uses these tools the least because I also think that he has been the most consistent with doing exercises that are going to benefit joint health where Sal and I were probably more focused on aesthetics or strength and we probably neglected joint health and mobility more than he did and I think that his use of these things are a reflection of that I think that for me it's like a fucking necessity it's like I have to do these things or else I look broken where him I feel like it's less of a necessity as it is for Sal but I definitely think they're well worth their money even before I met Katrina I used to pay for a regular massage at least once a week to get done if not multiple times a week so the bummer is they can be expensive right? What does she think about because there's all these foot massage places that are popping up and what they are is for people who don't know and then they massage your whole body you're in these rooms with a bunch of other people and they might take your shirt off usually you're clothed but they'll fucking work on you pretty hard on your back and shoulders and your arms and they'll charge like 20 bucks it's like churn and burn it's total high volume but I've worked with massage therapists where a lot of people are going to those now because they're so cheap but they hammer on you but I don't know how good they are what is her opinion on those? This is a whole topic in itself if you didn't know this I don't know if I've shared this with you guys before just for your health it was the original not only clinic over here in the Bay Area but it was also the original school so anybody who's in massage therapy in the last 20 to 30 years more than likely has gone through Katrina school in this area so if you're in this area you probably went through her school it was the first and only school for 20 plus years and so they kind of dominated the market over here did very well for many many years and they sold it like maybe like four years ago now not long after Katrina and I met and part of the reason why they sold it was because these businesses came in and what they did was they had a lot of people on visas and paying them, you know, dirt money like under minimum wage to do these jobs that they could undercut the price really hard and they took them through basic training and some people have these great experiences they go there and they feel great after it people like Katrina they scoff at it because they take a lot of pride in understanding the body like Katrina is the type of massage therapist where she'll rub your feet and she'll be able to tell you what's going on at different parts of the rest of your body by how you respond to how she touches your feet and that's, you know one, that's a lot of schooling two, that's a lot of practice and a lot of hours put in she can rub her hands across my body and know right where I'm holding something and be able to release it like so what you get when you go to a place like that doesn't mean that somebody else there might have some of those same skill sets it's kind of a crapshoot when you're going there she laughs at those places she thinks they're a joke in comparison to you know what they do it's like us, like she gives the analogy for what we do and what our profession is is like, you know some Mickey Mouse trainer who just got certified is working for not to offend anybody who's worked for a company like what was the curves like a trainer that worked for curves compared to what we do runs you through a circuit people leave and they're like we talking about I got sore, I'm sweating exactly the same and I think that's a really good analogy for what it's like for them doesn't mean that somebody who didn't go to curves that you have a great experience like just like someone who went to that massage could have had a great experience but when you're at the level that she's at as far as truly helping people because they get into breath work and moving and the psychological side like they touch, like their whole clinic was a school for better health like there's incredible amount of science behind and what I mean by that is not necessarily specifically massage but the effect that touch has on the human body and how, you know we've heard people talk about how you store certain emotions in different parts of your body there's some evidence to suggest that that may be the case and if you talk to her, she 100% believes that no, see I worked with I had a exceptional massage therapist that worked in my facility when I had it really, I mean I learned a tremendous amount from her, she's one of the most gifted individuals I've ever worked with in this particular field and she's the one that kind of taught me this stuff and then of course I'm a logical minded person so then I went and did my own research and found a lot of the stuff that she was talking about in her own way. Do they have an actual title like do they call themselves body worker, you know if that's sort of more of their focus. Certified massage therapist, right? Yeah, certified massage therapist. They call them masseuse which is like an insult. Yeah, you don't call them a masseuse. Yeah, it's a massage therapist is what they are. Unless they're giving you a happy ending. And there's different certification, just like in our field there's different certifications that are more credible and reputable and if you hold some of the more credible, reputable ones. I just know I've heard that more often like all these body workers and like this body mechanic or what's that one shop that's down there, you know there's this new myotoxin and there's now there's there's a lot of like and so again this is something too that she would scoff at is in this industry, just like ours, they'll take pieces, right? So like let's say they'll take a little bit of science in regards to like self-myofascial release they'll package a tool, a technique, a way of massaging. Myofascial massage. Or like the grasping tool or like all these tools, right? Something that is a tool can be used for its place and this is why I like listening to Brink talk about this because I think he has a very level headed about it, being a guy who's certified in all of it. It is a tool it can be used but what a lot of people do is they get certified in it, they build a brand around it, they make it feel like it's the end-all be-all and she kind of laughs at it, it's just like way before any of those tools came around we were doing all this work and helping people's lives and changing people's lives through teaching them how to breathe and how to move better. Hot rocks and the suction and all these other techniques. Right, there's exactly, these are all spin-offs of massage therapy that have been marketed a certain way. And there's also just the benefit of being touched a lot of people don't realize that, that part of the benefit of going to a massage therapist is having another human being touch your body and as funny as that sounds that's very, very, very supported by science. Have you ever paid attention to when they move around you around the table? They never take their hands off you. They never leave touch you. No, that's part of the technique. They need to kind of follow, you know, their hand goes, it's an interesting skill and you know some of the best massage therapists I've met you know it's funny there's a stereotype of massage therapists that a lot of them are weird or out there, but I kind of think that that kind of plays into their talent. Like if you're a really in tune kind of empathetic feeling type of person you tend to be better at massage. You know what I'm saying? It seems to be kind of my observation. You're reading like the feedback and the body how it's like communicating you know like somebody's kind of twitching and you're working on people's bodies and it's a very exhaustive, like it is a very tiring job, like you can't you know as personal trainers I could train 8 to 10 people in a day if I'm working hard. Massage therapists if you're massaging 8 people a day you're going to hurt yourself unless you have like perfect impeccable technique and even then it's exhausting. Well they believe that energy is transferred from the person you're rubbing to them so you'll see like so when Katrina is rubbing me and if I got a lot of shit in me or shake her hands out. Yes you'll see her in between like when she's working in an area she'll work in an area for a while and then also I can hear her snapping her wrist and shaking it out and then she'll go back to working and then shake it out. Like Sal was irritating you again. And there's times there's actually legitimate times and it's funny because this is something that being a more of a, I'm a science guy right and so I can totally feel you when you talk about this because they sound woo-woo because they've been taught a certain way. The terminology when they've been talking something that's been passed down for hundreds of years. Energy related. Right, everything's energy and the terms they use are not like science based terms but the more and more we evolve and find out that a lot of these things are supported by science. We just were using the different terms and it's pretty fascinating to connect some of the things like that I've seen her do before where she'll be rubbing me and I can tell by her response to the energy that my body is putting off she doesn't know what happened in my day but I know what happened in my day and it's fucking always lines up with like a crazy stressful day and all of a sudden I see her like she'll tell me like I can't rub you right now she's like you need to calm down. I had this I had this debate a while ago with the massage therapist that worked with me and she was saying how people store their emotions in their body and I had this big argument with them like no they don't that's bullshit emotions are stored in your brain and she's like no they're in your body and then she totally clowned me like she's like listen she goes can you tell by looking at someone's posture if they're insecure if they're confident if they're stressed out and I'm like well yeah and she goes well what is that reflecting oh fuck he just got me exactly so a lot of interesting science that goes behind and again there's the whole science of just simply being touched so I think these are all important things in total wellness and health I think the amount that you need them and use them as dependent upon the rest of your life and I like I said I wish I had more access to massage because it was something that beneficial I love it yes absolutely check this out go to youtube subscribe to mind pump it's our youtube channel we have stuff on there that we don't talk about on the show you might even think of them as secrets until you subscribe and then you'll find out a new video every single day also if you want to ask us a question that we answer on an episode like this one the place to ask it is Instagram and the page to answer ask it on is mind pump media answer ask I know that's a new word I just made up we all have our own personal pages on Instagram mine is mind pump Sal Adam is mind pump Adam and Justin is on mind pump Justin thank you for listening to mind pump if your goal is to build and shape your body dramatically improve your health and energy and maximize your overall performance check out our discounted RGB Superbundle at mindpumpmedia.com the RGB Superbundle includes maps anabolic, maps performance and maps aesthetic nine months of phased expert exercise programming designed by Sal Adam and Justin to systematically transform the way your body looks, feels and performs with detailed workout blueprints and over 200 videos the RGB Superbundle is like having Sal Adam and Justin as your own personal trainers but at a fraction of the price the RGB Superbundle has a full 30 day money back guarantee and you can get it now plus other valuable free resources at mindpumpmedia.com if you enjoy this show please share the love by leaving us a 5 star rating and review on iTunes and by introducing mind pump to your friends and family we thank you for your support and until next time this is mind pump