 Hi, this is your host and welcome to 23 predictions series and today we have with us once again Fabian from Go founder and CTO of loft labs Fabian is great to have you on the show. Thanks a lot for having me nice nice to be here Yeah, before I ask you to Pick your crystal ball and share your predictions with us Tell us a bit about the company. The loft labs is essentially about empowering developers to take back control over the envelope environments As well as reducing clusters crawl Essentially of Kubernetes clusters. So we have a couple of open source technologies for doing that, which is on the one side v cluster, which is an open source project to create virtual Kubernetes clusters within physical host clusters that are a lot cheaper and a lot easier and faster to set up than actual physical clusters and on the other side, we have dev space Which just got accepted into CNCF and is now a CNCF sandbox project That helps developers to essentially leverage the power of Kubernetes for their Applications and on top of that we we have loft which is our commercial offering that brings all this together in a platform where yeah platform administrators can essentially compose those developer environments in a central Yeah interface excellent. Thanks for talking with the company now it's time for for you to pick your crystal ball I don't know if you're blisters off, you know crystal balls virtual crystal balls or physical crystal balls Tell us what predictions you have for us. So my first prediction is essentially that Kubernetes adoption will increase as well in 2023 I guess that prediction is probably kind of obvious but I think besides the Yeah, increase of Adoption, I think also the clusters problem will increase where people And now new teams want to get access to Kubernetes And as a corporation you will need more and more Kubernetes clusters, which will become a bigger problem in 2023 then it was maybe before when Yeah companies were still trying out Kubernetes and not Kind of yeah rolling it out To the whole organization yet. So my second prediction is that Kubernetes will become more popular in the in the developer space where more and more developers will transition essentially from regular Docker desktop or even Sorry Docker compose or even Yeah, like like regular local development into the Kubernetes space They will be more exposed towards Kubernetes And eventually also pick up more tooling around how to develop with Kubernetes in in the next year and The third is I think that we will see more radical experiments in the Kubernetes ecosystem in terms of projects and in terms of also scope of Things that try out to break off Kubernetes just being the Kind of like orchestrator for containers. I think we will see more projects Like the cluster or even KCP that try to kind of reuse only certain parts of Kubernetes but kind of like build things that are not in the original scope of Kubernetes, but Kind of are very useful to solve other use cases. Thanks for sharing these predictions Can you also talk a bit about what is going to be the focus of the company in 2023? So our focus will be definitely on our open source projects So we want to to get the cluster to version one and make it finally Stable. I think we've tested it for a long time now and yeah a lot of Customers and other users are already using it in even production environments So our goal for the next year is definitely to get to that version one with the cluster Where we say we think it's it's ready for production use ready for Yeah, actually use in on a larger scale besides that we are heavily focused on Yeah, creating more and more integrations for the cluster because we think that is ultimately where virtual cluster save the most money by Reusing already existing services of the underlying host cluster. So we will yeah build more and more integrations there in the next year and besides the cluster on the dev space as I mentioned earlier We've been accepted as a cncf sandbox project so one of our focus there in the next year will be to transition to the cncf and Also essentially make it easy for everyone to get started with their space integrate easier into existing IDEs Extend the current functionality in terms of pipelines and yeah build tools and so on and Yeah, make make it easy for every developer to get started With dev space and for the commercial platform. We try to bring Yeah, more cost savings than already to the table. So that means More integration centralizing of certain be cluster components to reduce cluster sprawl Across the company even further. What are the challenges that you see will be there in 2023? And which are the ones that you see loved is going out and help customers and navigate through these problem So I think one of the challenges for the next year will definitely be finding the right abstraction for developers In terms of how they would interact with Kubernetes So should they have direct access to Kubernetes? Should they use a tool in front of Kubernetes? Should they just interact with a pipeline? That kind of shields them from Kubernetes Completely so I think this is a is a is a challenge that I see in 2023 where we don't have like a standard yet, but this will become an important problem for I think many companies that try to essentially want to bring their developers to Kubernetes and besides that I think also one of the bigger problems That now emerge will be how to run multiple clusters of Kubernetes alongside without Essentially having to manage those all individually And and kind of making sure those clusters are all in sync are all managed Yeah, centrally and can be exposed then to to developers or teams of developers Fabian, thank you so much for taking time out today and of course share these predictions I didn't tell you in the beginning, but we are going to have you back again in 2023 and also compare how many of your predictions came out to true in the 2023 and while we are getting the next set of predictions for 2024 But I didn't want you to be underneath pressure, but here we are for the next time. So thank you and see you next year Thanks a lot for having me. See you next year