 From Seattle, Washington extracting the signal from the noise. It's the cube on the ground at Linux con North America 2015 now. Here's your host Jeff Frick. Hi, Jeff Frick here with the Cube We are on the ground in Seattle, Washington at Linux con North America 2015 show wanted to come out here See what's going on Linux obviously the grandfather of of the open-source movement and open-source software That's really kind of taken over. We're excited for this next segment Duncan Johnson The founder and CEO of Cloudsoft welcome. Thank you. Nice to be here. Absolutely. So tell us a bit about Cloudsoft Sure, so Cloudsoft is an open-source application management Company, so we're the curators of Apache Brooklyn, which is now a well established incubator project inside of the Apache software foundation So unsurprisingly, we're here talking about open-source And and talk a little bit about Brooklyn. We haven't heard much about Brooklyn I'm sure other people probably have some people who I haven't yet give us gonna be on that Absolutely, so basically gives you a standard space way of modeling applications So people talk a lot about blueprints, which you know essentially capture the the topology of an application the policies You want to apply to it when you actually run it or instantiate it? And so we do that and then we just we essentially take that blueprint and we can deploy it and run it in any environment It's a virtual physical or cloud So like a lot of open-source projects It stands on top of the giants of the open-source movements So we use things like Apache J clouds make heavy use of that. That's the sort of lingua franca for talking to infrastructure And here at this event. We were talking about a new project called clarker Which really lets you spin up a docker-based cloud So that seemed people seem to like that idea, you know Obviously darker is is and containers generally are one of the sort of hot topics at this event Yeah, so we were at docker con. I don't know. I guess it's come three four weeks ago now It's been a little while very hot topic people are very excited about containers the promise of containers We've talked to people putting containers into storage all kinds of interesting stuff So then so what is your piece add to the puzzle that wasn't already there before sure? So so one of the things that we felt was missing was the ability to actually stand up a docker-based cloud That was there for you know self-managed. It would actually you know scale itself It would then present itself and serve up containers on demand in our case given our background in Brooklyn We wanted to treat that as a first-class destination for blueprints. So the difference is a difference of degree It's the focus on hey, I've got all these blueprints. I've created I'd love to run them in a container base rather than the virtual physical world. So that was really the motivation Now you talk about docker con. We were there and in fact one of the sponsors and Probably the most significant announcement was actually nothing to do with technology But around the open container initiative, which of course is hosted by the Linux Foundation It talked a bit of it about why you think that was so important and why that someone packed full Because there definitely was you know a real tension and you know clearly Coro s great product Docker, you know well established and a lot of enterprises scratching the heads going well, you know What I do, you know, do I do some kind of evaluation bake off whatever and you know fortunately, you know Alex Pauly, you know headed that off by reaching out Solomon and the two of them sort of squaring this away and so realizing that There's way more to be gained by by working collectively on on things like run C And then everyone could differentiate on top of that which is you know the classic model Yeah, it's interesting how people are coming together that Diane talked earlier that you know You don't have to do it all yourself It's really this idea of kind of the building on the API economy and leveraging other other people's investments So you had a keynote here. What are some of the things you covered in the keynote for the folks that missed it? Well in the actual fact we started by actually talking about what I think of as 21st century alchemy Which is open source and the whole point of of open source is it is a magical transformation Where you take base matter and you turn into something, you know new and and and exciting and you do that through collaboration So so one of the big topics of conversation that you know We've been having here and was sort of talks around in the in the keynote was you know collaboration You know the way in which you compose things, you know bringing other open source projects to bear on what you're doing And having that kind of open-minded attitude that Collectively we can do way more And you know I I'm old enough and grand enough to have made my my share of mistakes You know, hey, I know I'll build a you know, I'll go build a sockets library There's a sockets library go use it, you know, I mean, but I think nowadays it's you know The modern kind of idiom is to it's to look outside or beyond your walls and see what's out there And make use of it And then and then of course there's the risk right when you have so many people collaborating There's a risk of things going different directions, but it sounds like kind of the maturity and it's interesting Or at linux con the like said kind of the granddaddy of all the open source projects in the enterprise That people can kind of keep on task And I think what you just talked about really shows a maturity to kind of stop that You know complete sharding or people really going in different directions, which is a real risk Damn right it is and I mean, you know, I think I would say the linux foundation has really played a key role here I mean, of course the apache software foundation is is out there and we're we're members of that and we support that too But the notion of collaborative projects is something that that really, you know Jim and the guys at the linux foundation have have really championed So each project can have its own governance model, but the important thing is it has a governance model So it's a light touch. Here's you know, we'll we'll host you we'll help you You know, I'm great friends with sam ramji and a huge admirer what he's doing Within the cloud foundry foundation and you know, if any of you missed Keynotes from here, they should watch his because you know that was Looking at the philosophy of you know working together and being respect for and it's not every it's not always the person Who shouts loudest that has the most interesting thing to say But but certainly it's it's been shown that for just pure innovation speed of development speed of Speed of innovation ways to attack problems. There's really nothing that really holds up to the open source model No, I agree and but one of the telltale slides that sam put up was that you look at the scale of projects Projects that are single vendor that don't have a if you're like a home a governance framework are a tenth of the size of those that do So it's really important for people to collaborate, you know openly and and and extensively over a period of time You have to have a clearly defined independent way of managing a project and I think you know, we've learned that the hard way You know, we've learned that through you know, what happened with my sequel and various other projects in the past So we have learned from that and I think now You know, we're comfortable with that model You know Enjoy the as from IBM talks about it's not just about code. It's about culture. It's about community You know, all of those things are key ingredients Yeah, I think the the community the culture thing Maybe doesn't get maybe does get talked about enough But I don't think it does because it's really such a source of motivation such a source of pride And and but also as a management challenge because how much of your people's time Do you want working on the open source stuff versus stuff that's really directly contributing to the company? You want them to be able to feel good about themselves be Respected in the community make big significant contributions But at the end of the day you got a next marginal unit of engineering. How do you manage it? How do you make sure that they're doing I guess the right thing whatever the right thing means? Well for cloudsoft it's dead easy. We are an open source application management company So everything we do is in the open it wasn't to be fair when we started but But you know two years in we realized that that was definitely the model to follow and I'm glad we did But if you're talking about sort of larger enterprises Yeah, I think it's you know, it's a challenge for some management to really grok it as they say and understand You know what's really going on and obviously some people will do it in their spare time in their evenings and so forth and that's you know That's that's great. I mean it's great that there is that kind of groundswell I mean, you know one thought one observation I would make is um, you know I remember the first one went to a red hat summit and just you know the sheer You know the sheer unleashing of good will because yeah They flew in people from all around the world and a lot of them couldn't afford to fly So they flew them in and it was a bit like summer school. It was like, yeah It was like, you know We've been working for like 50 50 weeks or 51 weeks of the year for one week We get to actually meet our fellow contributors and there was a real sense of camaraderie enjoyed of you and And obviously a great deal of beer and pizza And that's and that's tough to replicate right that's tough to get people so excited and motivated Well beer and pizza and and and getting to see the long lost guy, right? You've had this intimate working relationship with On a virtual basis and suddenly being able to see him in person and really share those ideas Yeah, and I think it's essential that we have events like this. We are still human after all. So, you know, I think that's One of the reasons we're here and we support this kind of event Along with obviously the the classic sort of industry events like doc the con and so on is for that reason Yeah, well dunkin. Thanks for taking a few minutes and stopping by appreciate it. 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