 Name another podcast like this, who gonna bring it to the table, boss talk, who your girlfriend failed? Check it, check it, check it. This is Unique Household, this is your boy, E.C.O. And I'm here with the lovely, amazing, official, Ms. Jamaica. What's going on? None, none. My day will walk on. Man. But y'all don't forget, y'all need to like, subscribe, share all our content. We're on our social media platform. We're on TikTok, YouTube, Instagram, Facebook, you name it. We're on it. So make sure that you go ahead and follow our Patreon page because that's the only place that we're going to be able to find, you're going to be able to find our full length videos. So don't forget to tap into Patreon. Man, you know this guy we got on here today, y'all. He don't need no introduction, the culture sees him coming. I've seen this guy with all type of people. I know already that everybody is looking at what he's done. You know, when it comes to reform, it ain't nobody that's on this guy's level. You know, I've been, you know, I see him and I'm trying to understand what, you know, everything that he embraces, you know, and we talked a little bit the other night, but let's, let's go and get it going, man. Bruce is in here, man. Say, man, look, man, you one of them guys, man. The big reform movement is on that. The big reform movement, bro. That's what we're doing. Man, like, did you ever see it coming though? Like, like, did you know this is what, like, and we're going to get into everything because she's going to get into everything. She goes back. But did you ever see the movement coming like it's coming right now? And I actually had to start out. Nah, I actually didn't know that things were going to turn out the way that it is now, but that just goes to show you the testament of God. Man, that's hard. That's hard. Okay. So I like to go back into your history because people want to know, and I know you've said it before, but I'm going to do it a little bit different. I got you. So we like to know, you're Dallas native, of course. Oh, Cliff America to be exact. Okay, and you know what? Some people were surprised about that. They thought you were from Houston or somewhere else, but we happen to know that you Dallas. Raised with your grandma. I was raised by my grandparents, but my mother was a part of my life as well. Where was your dad? We don't even know him. I noticed that I never heard you really talk about it. You never knew him. Do you know who he is? I couldn't tell you who he is if he was to walk through the door right now. Really? Not even a name? I want to say I know his name, but I can't remember it. So your mom never told you his name? No. Or your grandma? I mean, you know, when you a deadbeat, they don't really bring you up. I know, but even if you're a deadbeat, I'm sure that the whole family a deadbeat? I think the whole family is a deadbeat. Really? Yeah. One thing I always tell people, and this is my point of view, I always tell people it's always good to know even if you don't deal with them, you always want to know your family for the main reason of medical issues. What's your main medical issues? Because I know a lot of people who've been through certain things where they maybe... They could have got peaks that they know in the family. Right. You know, this side, you know when you go get your checkup, you always say, does this run in your family? Does that run in your family? If you only know one side of your family, you can't really answer accurately. Well, this runs in my family or not. You don't know. You understand what I mean? I don't. Even if you just get certain information, but then at the same time, so okay. So only your mom. You don't know nothing about your dad. I know everything about Vicky Michelle. So y'all were... So you were born in Dallas? I was in America. Okay. So you're part of Dallas, isn't it? It depends on who you're talking to. Okay, so tell me the difference. I'm not from here, so I'm trying to get an education about it. Um, Oak Cliff America, we kind of got our own little thing going on. We are part of Dallas. If you ask people, you know, I'd say I represent the city, but I'm from Oak Cliff. And you said Oak Cliff America. Why you put America at the end of Oak Cliff? Just to, you know, spread their awareness. Okay. Okay, I'm just checking because that's the first time I ever heard it. Never heard anybody else say Oak Cliff America. Oak Cliff America? No, Oak Cliff America. Okay. So how old were you when you moved out of Oak Cliff? Um, I was 17. I moved out of Oak Cliff to go to the penitentiary. Right. So was that the first time you went to the penitentiary at 17? That was the first time I had ever been sent to prison. I had been in and out of juvenile, but that was the first time I had actually left home. So, okay. I know a lot of our fans might not know because I looked you up, so I know a lot of little things about you. Okay. So go ahead and let them know about, okay, growing up with your mom. Uh-huh. What was it like? Vicky crazy. Um, I came from a, I will, I want to, I like to say that it's not a dysfunctional household, but in the modern world, they'll call it a dysfunctional household. My mother, she a product of the streets. So, um, man, you know, 11, 12 years old, I was already knee deep in the streets running behind my mama. But you were raised in a house with your grandma. So was your grandma the same way? No, you know, they old school. You got to go to church on Sundays. Right. Monday through Friday, you need to be in this house at a certain time. And if you, if you ain't here by time or don't get locked, don't even come here. So if your grandma was like that, how did your mom end up being so different? That's a good question. You'd have to ask Vicky that, but Vicky most definitely was something way different than my grandmother. See, that's the thing I always would, I've learned this as I got older. When you see dysfunction in a person, first thing you want to do is like, let me see your mom, let me see your dad, let me see your environment, because you know it had to come from somewhere. Right. So let me say this as well. I like to tell people, I knew two different Vickies. So I knew the Vicky that raised me, that went to church every Sunday, that was a good woman and cooked. And then I knew the Vicky that was strong out and turned out on drugs. So at the age of 11, that was the Vicky that I was dealing with. She was no longer the Clark Hooks type of mother. Hmm. Do you know what happened that turned her onto drugs? You know, trying to chase behind a man, trying to please a man, doing what she can, doing what she got to do to provide for her kids. And you know, you young, you wild. That's like in today's time, everybody is strung out on K2 or MedTour. Fatten up. Fatten up. Pills. That was the drug at that time. That was the drug of choice and she got strung out on it. And that was the beginning of the downfall of the spiral. Did you ever, I know you were a kid, but as a kid, you had to grow up real quick. Correct. So did you ever turn to her and be like, you need to get off of this stuff? Yeah, Vicky gonna slap the cowboy shit out of me. You better not be questioning her and asking her, you know. Nah, I ain't never saying nothing like that to Vicky. Oh, okay. Yeah, nah, she don't play that. Nah, I get it, man. Like, to me, the stories are not, you know, far fetched because I'm a dude that comes from understanding and maneuvering in the streets. You know what I'm saying? So to sell drugs to whoever it wasn't far fetched. Or to cook drugs or to take drugs or whoever, it didn't matter. A village. And they always like to say in a positive way, it take a village. I could destroy a village with the stuff that we was doing back when we were in the early nineties. This is what we're doing. Right. You know what I'm saying? If you weren't selling it, then you was doing it. And if you weren't doing it and you weren't selling it and you was a kid, then you were somewhere struggling trying to understand how to make it because at the end of the day, we're going to find a way to make a way out of no way. You know, so the 11-year-old, if he ain't his mama doing it, he got to be selling it himself. Or trying to find out how to hustle. Or asking somebody for money or a beggar. You had kids that big. I remember when I was a kid in Vegas, I would go big. So that ain't nothing. You found a way. Well, I found a way from being around my mama. There you go. One of the blessings of my mother is that she exposed me to the game at a young age. So I understood income tax coming. I'm going to let him carry you on your income tax and you're going to get $2,000, $3,000. And this that, you know, that was the little hustles that I learned along the way. Were you on a child? No, I have two younger brothers. One did and the other one is, I don't even know what to say about the other one. Wow. Wow. So they had to go through the same things that you went through as a kid growing up. Right. Well, I like to say my baby brother, he had a, I ain't going to say he had a choice. He went through the same things, but you would think seeing, you know, your mother, your oldest brother, then your next oldest brother, that would kind of transform you. But it didn't. He followed the same path. And unfortunately, he's still dealing with that. Wow. It's hard, man. When you see, you know, and you think how they see you doing better, they'll try to do better. But it don't work like that. I'm a living witness. Yeah, it don't. No, it don't work like that. It don't work like that at all. So let me go back just a little bit into when you bumped your head and you end up having to go to TDC. What was the reason why you had to go to TDC? I got four aggravated robbers with deadly weapons and four aggravated assaults with deadly weapons. Wow. And TDC, that wasn't prison. No, that's prison. No, that's prison. Okay. Texas Department of Criminal Justice. Texas Department of Criminal Justice. Yeah, yeah. Because you went to Juvies how many times before that? Oh, I had been in and out of juvenile since I was 11. Since 11. So you always got caught then. Yeah. So from the age of 11, to what, 31, 32, I had been in and out of the judicial system. This is the longest I've been free since I was a child. Wow. Wow. So when you get ready to go to TDC, you got these, did you stay in the county long? You know, you had to fight your case. Did you get a quarter point? Yeah, I got a quarter point. I was there probably about six months. See, that's how it be. You were, you were in the government center. I was in the government center on the 12th floor to be exact. Yeah. I was in the government center on the 12th floor to be exact. Yeah. And you were down in that white. You were down in Chile. Chile. And basically, how was it preparing yourself to go to prison? See, I go all the way in. You know what I'm talking about? So, you know, they had New Highland jail when I was down there. You know what I'm talking about? The jungle. Oh, no, no, no. That's how it's still going on. So when I was getting ready to go to jail, you know, I'm on the aggravated tank, 12th floor. So I'm in there with everybody, but the most unique thing about me preparing, my mother is the one who prepared me to go to prison. You know, my mother is the one who prepared me to go to prison. Wow. Really? Yeah. She told you exactly what to expect, what to do, and all of that. And told me that if you don't come back home, my man don't even come back here. Wow. Really? Yeah. Vicky different. Wow. So when you got on there, she gave you prep talk. Oh, yeah. So, you know, in the county, before you catch the chain bus, you get to make that one last phone call. Yeah. So, you know, I call her telling her, hey, man, they here to get me. I'm serious. Like, it's been a really happy. Yeah, it's a kick 10. Oh, yeah. They downstairs. They said, Bruce, to pack it up. You know what I'm saying? So as a child, you know, you sitting there kind of waiting to hear you. Your mama say, I love you. It's going to be okay. She ain't saying nothing like that. This woman on the phone, she, um, okay. So check this out. You know, we don't have the kind of family that's going to be coming to see you. That's going to be sending your money. Reality. Yeah. We got like three, four hundred dollars. We finna send that to you. That money is not for you to go to come and say, you need to go get your appliances, your clothes, everything you're going to need. At least you got something. Yeah. She was like, no, you're going to, you need to get the stuff you're going to need because we don't have a family that's going to be sending you money. And you need to find you a hustle once you get in there. Has she ever been to prison before? Oh, yeah. Vic and I have been there about two, three times. My mama had a whole run down of what to do, how to do it. She told me when you get in there, make sure they know you from Oakville. You know how you was representing the hood out here? Make sure you're repping in there. Go, go get to the business. Wow. That's crazy. But in woman prison, I always ask, is woman prison any different from the male prisons? I don't know. I hear it is, but when I used to go visit my mama, they used to be screaming and rowdy. So I didn't see a difference. Do you go visit her all the time? I was like, what, seven, eight, nine, going to go visit my mom? Do you remember what you were thinking at that time? Yeah, I was thinking that I need to be at the house playing, but my grandma making me get up to go visit her. You didn't even want to go? I didn't even want to go, but my grandmother, she was one of those women that you're going to go see your mama. That's good. So, you know, the weekends, we got to go see her. Yeah, B, what were you doing? I was down on 50 man tank, 48 man tank. It was a 40 eight man tank. We in the dorm. Let's ride. So I was going through I was going through transit. Okay. So I think I was there for like six, probably about six months. Probably wasn't even there. I give it about four or five months because we got into a ride and they shelled me right up. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You saved all this. All this. You, you, you try it out. Yeah. Get up out of here. All this. You dealing with this for the first time though. Right. But probably people don't tell you a little bit about it, but there ain't nothing like dealing with it firsthand. I'm just talking about when you first get there, it's like, wow, damn, they really doing this down there. I was sitting. So once you get there, you know, you go through the intake process and I'll let when I finally made it to my dorm, to my bunk and I was sitting on the bunk. God damn. I'm licking around and I'm just like, damn bro. I couldn't believe that I was really sitting in prison. It took me a while to even just like process. Yeah. I'm like, damn, I'm asking them, what time breakfast? All they call breakfast at about two in the morning. That early? What? I say, bro, at two o'clock in the morning, yeah, that's lunch at the store. So I'm like, okay, well, when lunch, lunch store at nine, I'm like, that's breakfast. That's breakfast. I'm like, damn. You know what I'm saying? I'm like, man, this is all. Wait a minute, let me get in there. Did you have to go to 1-AP? Did you get to 1-AP, please? What's that? The one that you had to go in on it. So this is the guy my mama had. She had already game in the game. Make sure you tell him you got asthma when you get there. That's going to get you out. So, you know, when I get here, I'm running everything down, but you still got to have a job. Yeah, yeah. Luckily, I was the SSI. Okay, yeah. What's that? Like the janitor that they get to clean up. Okay. So I'm cool. I get to move around a little bit. But, man, the reality of the fact that I was sitting in the penitentiary, I was just kind of like, this shit real. Yeah. This is not Tee. Did you feel like I got to get out of here? Nah. Oh, man. I don't even know if I'm going to make it back home. How many years is this that you're going to have to sit out for it during this time? So I had, I started with a 10-year sentence and ended up doing 13 and a half. How do you? How does it go up? Yeah, it's something he done something. Yeah. I called a case while I was down. Oh, okay. So when you there, you own this transit, this transfer unit, but in your mind said, I got to get to a convict unit. I got to get somewhere like the transfer. So in my mind, I'm thinking, man, I'm going to get in school. I'm going to do right. I'm going to try to hair up and make parole and get out of here. Man, as soon as I walk the bowling out of two, three of my homeboy, look out, K. Woot, woot, woot, woot. It was going down. That's exactly right. Two, three of my homeboys from the world seeing me. They like, oh, yeah, that's K right there. Woot, woot. I was like, oh, man. What's up, homeboy? What's up with you? Where you at? Man, we're going to come get you. And it go to going down from right there. From right there. I was good until my partner saw me. As soon as they saw me, it was a wrap. That's crazy because that's the way it be going down. Now I tell people, man, as soon as they saw me, hey, that's K. He from Oak Cliff. He did. He good. Yeah. Oh, now let's go. Hey, look, you got to do some checking over here. Man, you know, they hard checking over here. Yeah. So when they call last Rick, man, go out and get that out the way. Yeah. Yeah. What he talking about is if somebody coming in you and saying he did. So that you got hot. You finna hot. Yeah. Oh, yeah. You finna hot to stand on and everybody got to go through it. Oh, yeah. Ain't no special, no special treatment. So you, you in there checking everything coming through the door, coming through the door. And so how long did you say you stay in this deal on militant? On militant, I was there probably about four months. Four months. Because we had that ride and they shipped us to tell for the Barry B. Tell for you. I've never heard that one before. I did 10 years on Barry B. Wow. Yeah. It's the real deal. So you stayed at a majority of your time. I did 10 years over that. That's why I went from a boy to a man. Let's talk about it. Yeah. What happened when you said that? Well, you know, when I went to tell you that I was just still a key. You know, I'm a Mentally. Mentally I was a key. Emotionally I was my identity and who I am and what I was going to end up becoming what you see now. All that came from Barry B. Tell for you. I was blessed to do time around some solid people. Guys that got life sentences 60 years and you know, when you arrive and you know, you like that it's going to be dudes that's going to take a liking into you. But then when I think about, you know, what you said that when you came into prison, you saw your friends and it was a party but now you graduate into wanting to do better, wanting to be better, want to come out and do something different. How, how were you able to display that while you were in there and not feel like, you know, peer pressure? Is there peer pressure in there? Oh, of course, it's peer pressure and the guy you see sitting here wasn't the same guy that was at the unit. Not at that unit. Not at that time. I didn't even know that I wanted to do nothing productive with my life. I wasn't even a word or skills to be able to do something with myself. I was just simply in there, you know, just trying to survive, keep my head up with my partners. You know, we just pass on time. But as you pass the time, you're going to be blessed to meet individuals. You know, hey man, read this book. You know what I'm saying? You ain't reading that book or hey man, you need to go to Thailand service or hey, you need to go to GED or you know, just different things. You know, in a 10 year span, you're going to interact with so many different people, you're going to be able to really get some real good game from them. Tell me a story that you heard while you were in prison because you know, you come across a lot of lifers. You come across a lot of people telling you things because they want you to do better. Tell me a story that you heard that really impacted your life. So I won't say it was it was a story. So one thing I always did when I was in prison and I would meet a guy who done been in prison two or three times. Or I would meet a guy who got 50, 60 years. I would always ask him, like, was it worth it? Right. And the number one thing I never forget that they would always say like, bro, I tripped out. You know what I'm saying? He wasn't even worth it. Like, damn, I tripped out. And I would be sitting on the rec yard with him and I'd be like, damn. You know what I'm saying? Even though I got this time, I'm going to get back out. Bro, I ain't never getting out. You know what I'm saying? And that always stuck with me to where I was like, man, you don't want to make a split second decision that can cost you the rest of your life. Because a lot of these dudes with these life sentences, man, that was a split second decision. It wasn't something that they like pundered on for weeks or they plotted and skimmed. That was some heat of the moment. A split, quick decision. And that shit cost them a life sentence. So I always told myself like, man, don't never do nothing. Just in the heat of the moment like that, bro, that's going to cost you. I think the craziest thing I ever heard was a guy told me that he in the heat. I was like, man, how long did you stay out? He say, he never made it home. Yeah. I mean, he got out at the Walls unit. That little money they gave him tried to do a, you know, try to make a move because he's letting him out at the Golden Gates. Right. And right back in. Right back in. He never made it home. What did he do? Trying to hustle. Trying to hustle. And he caught him right there? He never made it home. And he got a lot of time for that. Yeah. He came back with it. That probably his fourth time. You know what I mean? Like some people just keep this recidivism. They just keep going back and keep going back. I got Kim folks like that. 76% of all inmates return back to prison within the first three to five years. And I always wonder how can we fix it? I always wonder why they keep doing that. You know what I mean? Because like you see where it's going to lead you. They always say either I'm going to be dead or in prison and you keep going back to prison. I'm like, why? Just like when I asked you earlier, I'm like you went to juvenile and you always get caught. I'm like, it should be like a thing. Like, okay, I don't need to keep doing this. Well, for me, it was a point of time. You know, for a while I just didn't give a damn. I ain't care about you. None of that. I don't think I care about it's the hood and my niggas. That's how I was living for a while. You know what I'm saying? It really took me growing and maturing and developing and going through a lot of heartache and trials and tribulations to be able to transform that mentality. But for a while it was, hey man, just what it is. So did you, when you end up getting an extra three years, did you get into a ride or something, something transpired? No, so I got an extra five years. Okay. They just gave me two years back time and I got caught, well, I got caught with some weed but it was probably like two or three ounces. They called it an Introducing Contraband into a Prison. A facility. It's a particular night. And you got that much time for it? They gave me five years or I could have told on the girl what to tell. That's worse. Yeah, man. I can never go back to home like that. Yeah. And that's crazy. And that's something that's commendable because you got guys that's talking and telling and doing all kind of, you know what I mean? Doing all kind of weird stuff a lot of times in today's society when you see it, it's wild. But for you to say, hey, I wasn't going out like that. That's just solid. You know, you don't have a lot of solid people no more. Yeah, it's crazy because I be taking this the funny part, the guards and stuff when they was trying to give me the tell. They thinking that I'm trying to be a badass. I'm telling this thing got nothing to do with me being a badass. If I tell, if I do this, what y'all want me to do? Man, my family gonna disown me. Like I can't even go back home. It's bigger than then what y'all talking about. I can never go back to old cliff like this. My mama, my brothers, like my family they'll disown me behind something like that. I know it don't mean nothing to y'all, it doesn't mean everything where I'm from and I can't do that. I got to take this little old time and go sit down somewhere. So it was much bigger than what they was thinking about. They thinking I'm trying to be a badass inside of the prison. I'm like, nah, I'm thinking about going home and my family and stuff. I'm like, man, my mama ain't gonna never, she'll never accept that. I know it sound crazy but like I say my mama and my family they different. They not. Is that like your own tearful unit? Is that when they ship you after you catch that case? So I actually caught the case in 06. They didn't ship me to like 10, 11. Okay. That's why cause you would thought they would ship you right after. Nah, they sent me back through the closed custody. I think I did like a year and a half back there in lockup. You know, you got to go to medium custody then population. So I caught the case in 06. They ship me in like 10 or 11, ship me to a steel unit. They ship me to a steel unit that's just about just a whole prison system. Do you think that is that true rehabilitation or reform or is they doing anything in there to help people? My will say TDCJ does provide you with the classes with the opportunities but at the end of the day it don't even matter what the prison system gives you it's about you and what you gonna do. You know what I'm saying? I know they got I know dudes who don't do numbers sit in the day room and play chess and wash the young and the rest of us all day versus you got other individuals who gonna take full advantage of every class, every program. So it's really about you, you know, now you got individuals that's gonna place the blame on the prison system where they ain't got this, they ain't got that. You know, this ain't the Hilton, right? Yeah. Yeah, this the Penitentiary. So, you know, I tell people rehabilitation starts with you. That's real. But then you have those people who come out who do all of the right things and then come out and can't find a job, can't... You don't want a job. Say it again. That's what I keep hearing. Talk to them. No, you don't want a job. You go back to their neighborhood and, you know, all their old partners because they expect them, they gonna come back and start doing the same thing. They're handing them everything that they trying to get rid of because they broke, they ain't got no money right now and they see, you know what I mean? So they jump right back into it. I can't agree with you, Ms. Jamaica. No, I'm just telling you what I see and what I've heard. So it's a lot of individuals and I often tell people this, you know what I'm saying? We gotta be realistic about this. How many of you been incarcerated for the last five, 10 years? You don't have no job history. You don't have no work skills. Why do you think somebody's gonna pay you top dollar to come work at their company? What value do you bring to them? Getting out of prison, you gotta be realistic. Like I've been gone 20 years, 10 years, five years. I don't got no, you know what I'm saying? No work history, nothing. I'm gonna go to this little warehouse and I'm gonna start from the bottom and work my way up. That's what I done. And all warehouses, hire felons. Man, every warehouse in the city of Dallas will give you a job. Okay, let me, I'm gonna come out of prison with him because he didn't know nothing about the cell phones and all this stuff. I'm gonna talk about it. I know about it. You know a little bit. A little bit, yeah. Before you come out of prison, I have one question. Cause I know you have, I see it on your Instagram. You have, I don't know if she's your wife or your- Your senior reader. Your senior reader. And I've seen you mention that she held you down. Was she with you during prison time? She did 10 years with me. That's hard. That's hard. Yeah, my senior reader, she rocked with me for 10 years. I met her while I was incarcerated. How? I mean, you know, I'm that guy. So, you know, when I was in prison, man, you know, I had it jumping in there. Me and my partners, we some of the guys who ran the prison system. So our country brand has been introduced into her. Me and my partners gonna have something to do with it coming through the door. So, you know, at this time, I'm kind of getting my hat up with my weight. I'm reading books. I'm working out. You know, I'm feeling out. So my little brother got killed. And when my little brother got killed, this young lady reached out to me just paying her condolences and this, that and the other. And man, me being the live guy that I am, you know, one thing led to another. There go the bricks. Oh, okay. That's good. I love the fact she held you down through the whole thing too. Yeah, yeah. But you know, one thing about it, man, God don't make no mistakes. Right. You know what I mean? And really he opened the door, no man can shut. No man can believe that. So at the end of the day, when I see something like that happen, it doesn't surprise me because I know the power of God. You know what I mean? So for you to come, okay, you get out or you're about to get out. And when you, cause I'm fast forwarding now, you make parole or how does that go? I discharge. You discharge. Day for day. Day for day. Day for day. So you come home, no parole, none of that stuff. No parole, no probation, none of that. No, what do they call them? Pre-release facility? None of that. I say none of that. I walked straight out of prison and went and got in the car. Man. So you come home. What's your thoughts when you're coming home? That's when the reality of my mother being dead just really hit me. I wanted to, I remember seeing that. So what year was it when she died before you got out? My mother died in 2011. Okay, and you got out in? And I got out in 2014. Got it, got it. So, you know, when you in prison and they come tell you somebody got killed or somebody died, you heard and you know what you feel it, but the reality of it don't really hit you till you walk out. You weren't able to go to her funeral? No. Cause I know sometimes when you're in prison they allow you to go sometimes. I heard that, but the whole time. I've never seen that in my life. I'm not saying dead or don't happy. I know it probably do, but I ain't either. But I'm saying in the 13 and a half years that I spent in TDCJ, I've never seen nobody go to a funeral. To a funeral. I don't know about other states or whatever. I'm talking about in Texas. But yeah, the day I walked out of prison, my girl and my sister knew they was out there waiting on me and when I went out there they were hugging me, hey. And I was just kind of like, damn. You looking around for her and you? Yeah, I'm like, you know, my mama, she did, my little brother did, you know. You know, we getting in the car and I'm like, we ain't finna go home. I mean, I'm finna go home, but I'm not going home to the home that I do. Yeah, I'm going to where my girl done got us a little apartment and we finna, you know what I'm saying? It's just the reality of all that was kind of hitting me to where I was just like, damn, you know what I'm saying? That shit's serious, like, you know what I'm saying? Did your grandma also pass away while you were in prison too? My grandmother passed away. My mother died, my little brother died. So when I came home, the only people who still here was home. Who was your brother? My baby brother, he was in prison. Oh, he was in prison? He was in prison when I came home and my sister, which is really my auntie, but we grew up together so we called each other's sister and brother. Her and my grandfather, that was it. Wow. And you know, and because Charlotte Low Junior told, you know, he lost Charlotte Low, but people don't realize he lost his mother too. He left months apart when he did a four year stint and I interviewed him and he was like, man, no people don't talk about that part, but it's tough because he said the same thing you saying, when he came home, he came home and he lost his granddaddy too. Yeah, the reality was different. It was different. You know, when you walk out that prison, you thinking you finna go see the fam. Everybody finna kick it. Yeah, and I'm like, you know, when I walked out there, it was just the reality of everything I had lost. It had really hit me then. Yeah, yeah. You know what I'm saying? Like, damn, you playing these games, Vicky really dead. Juicy really dead. Curlin' really dead. Like, ain't no going to 756 Deerwood. You finna go to this little old apartment that your girl got for y'all, you know what I'm saying? And you finna start building from right there. Wow. It was just the reality of that. It hit me different. Wow, so when you... Okay, you come home and now you home. What was the biggest difference that you've seen in the world since you had left 13 years earlier? The internet. The internet. That was the biggest difference for me. You know, I was fascinated with the fact that at the clip, you know, at just that click. Something like that. Man, I got access to billions of people. When I saw that, I was just like, man, I gotta find something to put on the internet. Man, I got access to millions of people with just the click of a button. I know I can put something together. It gotta be something. I can do something, right? Man, I got access to millions of people from this one button. Oh, it's going down. It's going down. It's going down. So what was your first move? Like, what did you do? I immediately went and got me a job. Okay. When they picked me up, we was riding down the freeway and the first question I asked them, hey, what's up with that job y'all was telling me about? They were like, damn boy, slow down. I'm like, nah, I'm trying to go on chill. They were like, chill. I'm like, yeah, I don't want to chill. They were like, nah, you need to chill. I'm like, man, I've been chilling for almost 14 years. I'm ready to get to it. So my first number one thing I went and did was got a job and I started out making $9 an hour. That's hard. That's hard. I like it. Yeah, because I knew already that's gonna, and you had patience, right? Like you had to have patience because sometimes you go. So when you get the job, it was probably cool and fun to be cause you were around people all the time when you locked up. Listen, when I got the job, so look, I get the job, right? I started out making $9 an hour. Man, within six months to a year, I was a supervisor making almost $17, $18 an hour and I done that on accident. Dang, I wasn't even trying to do that. That's a blessing. So when you, okay, and I don't want to move you too fast, but we got to get to these trucks, man, cause you pulled the move, man. Like what made you get into 18 Willis? Cause every time I see you, you're killing the game, man. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? So I actually got in the truck because of one of my partners. I see, you know, he rocking the big chains. He looking good. And man, I was tired of being in that warehouse. I'm really thanking my partner, Huston. How long you staying in the warehouse? About two years. Two years, okay. Yeah, I worked in the warehouse about two years. Yeah, about two years. And so when you finally get this vision, I'm gonna go on and do these trucks. He had nothing to do with the trucks. It had the only reason I went and got in the trucking cause I saw how my partner was living. All I cared about was the bag. I didn't care nothing about actually being a truck driver. I was so fascinated with like, bro, you living like that? I'm talking about my partner look like one of the biggest dope boys around. Man, this man don't sell not a piece of dope. If he see you committing the crime, he gon' call the law. Wow. You know what I'm saying? So I was just so like, damn bro, you living like this and you don't do nothing but drive trucks? He was like, yeah, that's all I do. I was like, hell nah. It gotta be some like, bro, you know I ain't the law. You ain't gotta shake me, bro. He like, man, god, hold on, man. I'm telling you what I do, I drive trucks. I was like, shit, if driving trucks got you living like that, man, I'm finna go see what's up. I went and got my CDL license. That was the only reason that I got into trucking. It had nothing to do with me wanting to be a truck driver. No, it had the lifestyle. It was simply the lifestyle. I saw how my partner was living. I was like, yo, I'm finna go check this out. When did, okay, and then, because being the Bruce to you all today, when did it hit you that you wanted to help other people that were coming out of prison to be truck drivers? So I saw that that was the way for us to get home. So in the trucking industry, they don't give a damn about our background. They don't give a damn that we black. They don't give a damn that we got tattooed. I'll leave people care about us. Can you get this low from point A to point B? Boy, if you can do that, they gon' give you a bag of money. Once I saw that, I was like, oh, this the way, bro. I'm not saying this is the way forever. I'm saying this is the way to get on your feet. Once you get on your feet, you can venture off into this or venture off. You can spread your money how you want to. But for anybody coming fresh out the penitentiary, anybody that's in the streets, looking to change their life, bought the quickest way to do this and get you a bag of money is go get the CDL license and go drive a truck. Wow. How hard is it to drive a truck? Man, it's one of the easiest things in the world. I know people who started and, because especially when you drive outside of Texas, you have different weather and that snow and stuff. I know a lot of people who jackknife. Right. And stop. Like, now this is not for me. Well, I mean, I won't say it's for everybody, but I will say, man, we tipping, we tipping slow. So I'm not into being a super trucker. I'm not a super trucker. I'm a safe, responsible trucker. So the speed limit's 70. I might not be going number 65. Man, I'm just trying to get here safely. It's the guys that's the super truckers that's normally having them type of issues. Wow. And about this trucking thing, because I hate trucks. Okay. I hate what I'm driving on the street, especially late night, whatever. Do y'all really do this? It just feel like y'all be blocking the road. I promise you feel like y'all be blocking the road purposely. We always feel like y'all be on y'all, see, be like, yeah, we gonna block this road. We gonna visit. Is that true? No, it's not. They don't intend to. That's what it feels like, because y'all be going slow. And I'm like, they right by, I'm like, are y'all talking to each other? Nah, so I often tell my wife this, and I'm telling you this now. When you on the freeway or you on the road and you see a 18, well, get away from him. That's right. Immediately. He always tells me that. Man, get away from him. Either go and get past him or go and let him go. Cause you are in a car like this. Man, this man is in a whole goddamn machine. And he's setting to have 50,000 pounds behind him. So he can't just stop, you can just stop this car on a dime. He can't stop that truck on a dime like that. Get away from him. But if he can't stop on a dime, why some of these truck be going, like right on somebody back like that, sometimes we try to intimidate them people. They want you to get out their way. But if they know they can't stop it like that, why they be doing that? Cause they got issues. Mentally. They got issues. That's why, listen, I drive trucks. I own a truck and company. I tell people all the time, when you see an 18 will or you buy an 18, get away from home and go and let that truck go or you slow down or go, but get away from that truck. Let me tell you something. My homeboy out of the day. I was just thinking about that. Old boy Prince, a brake kicked off. A brake chew off of a truck kicked out, went through his window and hit him right here. Crushed everything. He done had four. The old boy, do the stinking leg, that dude. One of them, you was locked up. He's a rapper. I forgot, you locked up. That stinking leg came out, you was gone. But anyway, he got a new group called C4S, but he got hit right here. It went through his window. And I'm gonna show it to you the piece when we get through with this, but. And the truck driver didn't even know because he kept driving. He kept going. He didn't know. He didn't know. How easy is that to jump off of a truck? How easy is that? It's very easy. So you gotta keep in mind, the semi-trucks, you got 50, 60, 70,000 pounds back there. A lot of them don't do their pre-trips. They ain't even checking the truck and trailer. They just jumping in and going. They don't give a damn about this truck. It ain't theirs. So they just jumping in and they going. So breaks, you can just fly off easy. If you ain't did a pre-trip on that truck, the way you supposed to, to where you can identify, you know, it can happen. How, okay. I wanna get back to you and just to reform and everything that you've been doing. Cause it's great what you're doing, man. God bless you, man. Appreciate helping these guys, helping going back into the prison like we spoke the other night and helping people, man, that's the way. Now, but what I wanna ask you is like when you basically got into it and you start to help these brothers, how did you start that? How did you even get, how did you figure out how to even embrace the whole situation? Step by step. As far as the reform. Yeah, the reform. Like I'm gonna help this guy to help this guy and this is how I'm gonna do it. How did you get the education and do that? So really, it was just about, you know, I did almost 14 years down there. I know so many thousands of inmates. So when they get out of prison, they hitting me like, look at that, bro. Man, you're driving them trucks, come on out. So I'd be like, man, just come to the yard, man. I'm gonna show you how to do this. So in my mind, I'm thinking, you know, hey, come out here, I'll train you, show you. I'm not knowing that it's people out here. They not gonna teach you about the trucking game. They hiding game from you. They don't wanna expose this to you. So I'm like, man, I don't give a damn about telling you what to do. You go over here, do this, this how you do that, this how you do that. And people were so in love with it to where the platform just grew on its own. It grew for me, giving out free information. The information that people be hiding and the information people trying to charge you a million dollars for, Bruce, they're gonna give it to you for free. I don't mind giving you the game for free because at the end of the day, you still gotta be the one to get up and go put the work in. That's right. Tell me about the first time you helped somebody and what was it that you did and did they come back to you and the gratitude, how did that make you feel? I've actually helped numerous of people and the gratitude, it don't always go like that. I can't tell you the amount of people who I've exposed, struggling to, I've helped them get their CDL, yet they don't appreciate it. They feel like I owe them something or I ain't do enough for them. Yeah, versus it's been people who, you know, who they show. But you sure you had some people who come? Oh, yeah, nah, it's some people, man. They love me to death for exposing, struggling to them. And I'm always happy, you know, about knowing that I was able to give you a skill set, you know what I'm saying? Something that can help you and your family, you know, keep it going. But you're not really doing it for the gratitude. You're doing it because, you know, the right thing to do. Well, I do it because, man, I want to help you. You know what I'm saying? So I often tell people, for me to have gotten where I'm at right now, so many people done helped me. I done got so many blessings and lucky breaks and I got a support system out this world. Like in order to pull off greatness, you're going to need a team to do it. You know how the Olympic team, the dream team, they was able to win all that. They had a powerful team, you know what I'm saying? So to pull off anything great, you're going to need a team. So when it comes to me, I love to help them because I'm like, bro, this is something that can really change your life if you give for real about it. But I often tell people it don't go like how we think it should go. The people that you trying to help, there will be the very people that'll be mad and talking down on you. There will be the very people who feel like you ain't dead enough. I gave you a sandwich, but that wasn't, you gonna say that that wasn't enough because I didn't give you no cheese or I didn't give you no mustard on it. But I gave you a turkey sandwich. Yeah, but you ain't put no cheese on it, bro. Like, damn, okay. Or, man, you gave me a sandwich with cheese, mustard, all that, but you ain't give me a bag of chips though. Yeah. So you know it has its pros and its cons. That remind me about like the Bible and Jesus would always do talking parables. But a lot of people didn't understand what he was saying. They wanted him to cut it straight and just tell him what it is, but he wouldn't. He's like, who I have ears to hear, let him hear. Not everybody will accept your advice and just take it and run with it and build onto it. Some people like it like that. They want me like, oh, well, add this, add that. They want everything given to them. Yeah, it's unfortunate. You know, it's something that I done dealt with because, you know, I done helped so, so many people, but in the process of helping them, you know, they feel like that wasn't enough. You didn't do enough to help me. Yeah, you help me, but that wasn't enough. But it's like, if I didn't do nothing, then what? So, you know, you always got to consider those things. So when you, here's what, here's, when you help these guys, have any of them took off like you and start helping other people? Have you, do you have that story or? So I actually got a few guys who, who started their own trucking companies and they doing their own thing. Now I won't necessarily say they doing what I'm doing as far as with the reform movement, but they have started their own trucking company and they able to provide for their family. What I'm doing, it's not for everybody. You know what I'm saying? Everybody can handle the responsibilities and the pressure that come with that type of position. But it's a lot of guys that I mentor who's came in. They done learned the trucking business. They done went and got their own trucking trailer. They bought it in the mix. So I hardly hear from them. You come home and you get this, you jump on this internet, people loving you, you growing, your followers growing, everybody watching for you. You see me and Jim Jones over there. I hear you got a relationship with Jim. That's my boy. Like, like, like how did you even link with Jim Jones? Jim, he probably one of the first artists whoever just really reached out to me like, man, I see what you're doing. I like what you're doing. Let me know what I can do to help you. Wow. You know what I'm saying? I met him at the turkey leg hook. Oh, okay. With my boy, E-T-C-O, everything. Check out down at Chris Bacon. We was down there and he was like, man, I'm gonna let you meet Jim. And he introduced us and about two, three days later, Jim hit my DM and was like, hey man, I see what you're doing. I like what you're doing. Anything I can do to assist you, it's a go. And I can actually say bro done stood on that anytime. So, you know, I got guys that come on from prison who has never left the city before. So I be like, man, you ain't never left Dallas, nah. Man, I'm gonna take you to New York. What? I'm gonna take you to New York. Man, I'll take him out to New York. I hit Jim. Hey bro, I got some people that's coming up, man. I want to turn them out. Jim, pull up. You gonna pull up? Jim gonna pull up, man. Hey, come meet us over here. Show your grand good time, man. So yeah, Jim about the business. So yeah, every time I met him, we talk with him. It's always been solid. It was more on the closed vamp life for us being in the store. We had a clothing line called Vamp Life. And yeah, I would always see him at the conventions, man. Yeah. We always go and we going in about three weeks. We always been going. Jim, one of the few, he was solid when he reached, he was one of the first ones to ever reach out to me and be like, hey man, I see what you're doing. I like what you're doing. Let me know what I can do to get behind the move. Yeah, yeah. My Junebug is the nigga that I actually link with him me and Junebug real cool. He out of New York, got a store called Clout like mine. So basically me and Junebug, I think it was Lionel, them boys with them slow buck guys, it's some guys that was doing. What you know about slow bucks? That's my problem. Oh man, you know I know about him because I was selling, I sell clothes. Them boys sell clothes, man. He talking about my boy slow buck. Yeah. One time for that boy buck, man. That's hard. Shout out, man. Like it's my boy Junebug, the one that own Clout clothing. He linked me with all those guys. He called me his OG. So at the end of the day, I just deal with these clothes a lot. You know what I'm saying? Jim, that's how I met slow bucks through Jim. That's hard. That's what I'm telling you. It's a whole circle. It's a whole circle of them, man. So matter of fact, if you, I think me and Jewel Santana on the picture, slow standing behind us. Slow buck. Yeah, yeah. I'm finna show you a picture of me. I did an interview with him. That's hard. Up there in New York, I interviewed him from our real reform what I had going on. Let me see if I can. Yeah, I thought I seen you interviewing. You interviewed a little Kiki too. Yeah. That's why I'm gonna ask you about that in a second once you find that picture. That's a dumb. Yeah, that's that boy Buck. Yeah, man. Yeah, you kidding, ain't you? Yeah. So you, and you got that reform hidden too on the man. You ain't playing with it, did you man? No, no, we pushing reform. You know, Buck, he got this thing going on up there in New York, man. He trying to get some things. He trying to bring financial literacy to the hood up there. Okay. So, you know, we done chopped game on several occasions about what they got going on and just how we can connect. And really, you know, make a real impact across the country. That's hard, man. So when you, I see you go, like when I was interviewing a little Kiki, I have some kind of way we brought you up. But he had to, cause I asked him here, man, where you hanging all these penitentiary niggas, man? You know what I'm saying? He said, man, I just didn't do them. I just love these penitentiary niggas, man. These stories, man. They got these stories, man. So he just, you know, we were riding with that and you came up, man. It's just like, he's like, yeah, y'all got to link y'all together, man. That's the dumb. Just how did you and him build such a relationship and a bond? So a little Kiki, that's my favorite rapper of all time. Like that's, I'm not saying that just because, you know, we so close now, I'm saying, before I ever met him, that's how we listened to. I think my partner, he'll vouch for me on that. We listen to little Kiki from son up to son down. But my partner, ETCO, he got a promotion game he putting down out there in Houston. So what he do is local artists or we're not even local artists, artists from all over the world. You trying to get your music heard or you trying to do some exotic, he the one that do it. So I'm telling him about little Kiki, he laugh and he like, boy, you for real about Kiki, huh? I'm just like, man. I love that little Kiki. Man, ain't nobody messing with the dumb. I ain't go listen to my boy music. That's the Jay-Z or the Saab down here, you know what I'm saying? Straight up. So he like, man, I'ma plug in with him. I say, what? He said that. I said, what? He say, yo, I'ma call Kila. Yeah, I said right there all day at the turkey leg hood. He like, bro, I'm like, man, work Kia. Straight up, work Kia, man, work Kia, man. Man, Kii pulled up. He pulled up. Man, Kii pulled up. What's up, baby? I said, ooh, that boy done pulled up, man. Man, it was all love, man. We ain't big in there. I told him about the reform movement, what we trying to put down. Kii was like, shit, I'm with this right here. He was like, man, I'm feeling this right here, man. What you need me to do? How can I get behind the movement? How can I support you? It wasn't no cap, no stunting. He wasn't on no goofish, none of that. He was like, hey, man, I'm with this right here. I see you helping the homeless in the hood, the homeless that's coming home. I got a million partners coming home from prison. They need this right here. That's hard, man. I was like, shit, all right. I thought he was just talking, man. But bro, he bought that. Wow, and promotion and just linking together. Just whatever you need. If you need my voice on something, whatever you need. Whatever I need, whatever I have needed from the words, say, go, Kii done been done. That's who done the soundtrack to my book. That's hard, man. And like I said, when you think about, okay, just look at it, you went down there. That's favor, man, that's God, man. Cause every door is opening up, man. Everything you doing is working. Man, that's why I tell people, you gotta be a good dude in the game. You gonna need blessings, you gonna need favor. And you're not gonna get that if you want some fuck boy shit. Yeah. So you gotta be a good dude, good person. And then I tell people, you know, the relationships I done built, I keep it solid with them. That's hard. You know what I'm saying? I don't try to use them or call them for no BS or nothing, you know what I'm saying? Like it's a genuine relationship. I can honestly say out of all the artists in the industry, he is the one that I got the most closest, genuine relationship with. And he definitely one of those guys, man. I picked the phone up, he answer. It's been like that with me too. So I know what you're talking about, man. Just a God opened the door for certain people to be in your life, man. And he one of those dudes, man, from Mr. Lee, him, the people that I done seen sitting in this room, man, I know it was our day by God. I know it out of shadow of a doubt. Bro, good people. And he love to eat. He gonna show you all the good food. There's another reason I ain't tight. I look every time I'm with him, he know where the good spots to eat. He know that, he know where they at. What? He know where that food at. Man. He know where that food at. Hey, Bruce, to meet me over here, they got some boys, yeah. Man, so what's the best, what's your best Kiki? What's the best track for little Kiki that you love? The best, the best. Oh, no. Number one. No, he got a few number ones. There ain't no. Number one. Ooh. Legend talk is, I know I heard him. Yeah, he got a legend talk. The reason I like legend talk so much is because he dropped it on my birthday. That's hard, man. So I kind of feel like the whole album's in dedication to the boss man. Man. The boss man, Bruce, the whole goddamn album. Boss man, Bruce, too. He dropped it on my birthday. That's hard. But if I had to just pick one song, man, ain't no one song. But he the whole sound of Houston, man. Like when you think of Houston, you think of the Dunn, man. Yeah, you saying Houston, I'm saying the South, man. You speaking about the South, man. You gonna show love to the Dunn, man. No, no, I get it, I get it. I feel the same way, but I'm a P.L.C. fan from Harlem, I'm a little older, but the Dunn is, he right there, man. Yeah, man, I'm rocking with Dunn Key, man. That's the JZ or the South, man. Man, that's hard, man. So, okay, I see you the other day and I see you with Walo and Gilly. You and Walo got a, do y'all got a relationship? He was locked up for a time. Yeah, nah, man, Walo, that's my boy. We rock, Walo another one, man. You know what I'm saying? Walo done gave me that access. We got a relationship, so it's always been love. He done been under support of me. Gilly all crazy ass, Gilly crazy in real life. Yeah. But yeah. I'm talking about Walo because I know he done been through, he got a background. Walo did 20 years. He did 20 years, so that, for him to see a movement like you got going on, it got, cause it wake me up. You know, certain people gonna get like, dang, this dude, you know, making waves and really making a difference cause really when a person comes from these situations, they wanna make a difference, bro. Right. They wanna reach back and grab somebody and help them. So to see you doing what you're doing in the way that you're doing it, it's just, it's hard, man. I love it, bro. I'm being like, I love it, man. Man, I appreciate you, man. Now, Walo's solid, man, you know what I'm saying? I can call Walo right now. He down, you know, any- He always rock with you. Yeah, he always rock with me the whole little process, you know what I'm saying? He been out of, you know. So I tell people, you know, what they think is support, support don't mean me giving you a million dollars or me introducing you to Meek Mills and Jay-Z, you know. Support can be something simple is just picking up the phone and helping you walk through, you know what I'm saying? A situation that you're having or a deal that you're having or, hey, Bruce, you need to do it like this versus doing it like that. So, you know, I just be grateful for the relationship and I like to be able to bring value to him as well. So when I'm dealing with Jim Jones, Kiki, Walo, whoever it may be, I like to make sure that the relationship is reciprocated. It ain't just no one-sided what you can do for me. It's a lot that I can do for you as well. I like that, man. You know, a lot of people just, some people don't get it. You get it, Bruce. So, man, like I said, man, you really, really like you've done something that I've never seen it done like the way you're doing it before. I'm glad to hear it. I'm being real. We ain't done. No, but I just like the way that you making a difference, man. You know, like I said, going back in, like to see for some of those guys to see you when you go back into the prison system and you were locked up with some of them cause they're some of them ain't never getting out. Right. I just seen one the other day. How was that? I liked it. I like to hear those stories. So it's always crazy when I go back into prison. So when they see me, they be like, hey, what's up, bro? What's up with the wood? But I had a director's or the warrants and the captains with me. So they be playing it cool. So soon as they move around and get out the room, they pull up on the side and be like, bitch, what you got going on? I'd be like, chill out, bro. They be like, man, for real? What you doing with them? I'd be like, you know, I done changed my life around. And you know, I'm trying to do this. And they be like, I was paying you like that. I'd be like, nah, bro, this what's going on. I know a way for us to get paid. We ain't got to do nothing crazy. The game that we got, what we've been doing, we can apply them same skills, but we can do it on this side of the game. We ain't got to do nothing crazy. And they be like, damn, you don't wrote a book too? Yeah, that's hard. But when you had time to do all this, they be so mind blown because, you know, when I was in prison, man, I was head first. I'm riding, you know what I'm saying? But I tell people that's why the magnitude of what I'm doing is so powerful because nobody, not even myself, ever could have projected that I would turn out to be who I am. Wow, that's hard, man. I think about even ALD to come home and to work like he has worked in the time that he has done that, the music that he's been able to produce and put out, you know, for us, you know. What he doing? What he doing? And it's crazy you say that because I tell people, man, I know guys who done set in the day room. They do it, they do it. They come right out here and don't do nothing with it. So the fact to even see ALD be able to transform from going from doing this to actually sitting in the booth, he making songs, he putting videos together, he putting this and that. I'm like, man, you done already won't. Man, I'm amazed at what God can do when you look at a film by Miyake, him being locked up with him. Then you see them out. Then they all working together with Lil' Kiki at time. Being you there, bro, I know God is real. I ain't playing no games. He set the captains free for real because I asked him about that. I always ask God about, man, you know, I gotta set the captains free. And when I look at y'all and I look at the movement of what he's done with y'all, it's extraordinary. You can't put nothing. Words can't explain, bro. So I always tell people, I contributed. God without God, without our law, at the top of the chain, man, when none of this be possible because nobody could have predicted it. We couldn't have seen it. We couldn't have forecasted it, called it. Like this ain't no movie script. This ain't something we set out and put together like, according to the statistics and according to the way y'all was living, I was supposed to come home and either get killed or get sent back to prison. That's correct. But when God intervened, this is what you get. So, you know, I always tell people, man, don't give up on you, man. Just stay believing, stay praying. Wow. So with your trucking business, how many trucks do you have? So I was running up to like 15 trucks for one time. Okay. I've downsized all the way to like four or five. Why? Well, with the way the industry is moving right now, the rates ain't what it used to be. Overhead is just a lot going into it. And not to mention, so in order for me to be able to run the reform movement like I want to, I can't do that too. Okay, because I would think that with the reform movement and people coming out and you're putting them in trucks, why not put them in your trucks and have them. So it's interesting that you say that. So this is what we're doing. So I can only hire so many people at Brewster Logistics. Really? I can only hire so many people. But if you have a lot of trucks that you need people hire to... Right, but I only got so many trucks. Well, I'm gonna have to get hundreds and hundreds of trucks. Okay, go ahead. Oh no, I don't need that. But what I will say is that I can't hire everybody, but we in the process of opening up the big reform CDL school. So if I can't hire you, I can train you. I can train you and get your CDL license. Me being able to train you and get you your CDL license is more important and more valuable than you working at my company. Because I can go get drivers for anywhere. My trucks are gonna move no matter what. But my trucks moving no matter what, how does that benefit you? So me allowing you, hey, let's take them over. Let's get them trained up. Let's show them how to rock these trucks. Let's show them how to move when they out there in traffic. Then we gonna cut them loose from there. I know once you leave the big reform CDL school, you should be able to go and do it amazing things out there in the world. Is there, when you went to CDL school and the things you learned, is there anything you learned on the road doing your own thing that you did not learn in CDL school that you wish that they had taught you? So I didn't even go to CDL school. That's not how I got my license. So the only thing that I will say that we gonna teach at big reform CDL school that I didn't learn in the process of getting my CDL is the professionalism. Is you being able to handle conflict resolution? Because when you out on the road, you're gonna come up against a lot of different situations, a lot of different issues. You can't handle that the way you would if you was in the streets or if you was in prison. So my thing in the process of training you, I make sure you understand how to deal with your dispatcher, how to deal with DOT. I don't let fuck the police, you can't have that type of attitude because you're gonna have to deal with the police. Whether you like it or not, that's a part of it. So I make sure that in that training process you understand the importance of having all your paperwork together. Yes sir, no sir, how to do this, how to do that. It's a Jeff game. So I make sure that we train you to know how to move when you out there and traffic. Versus in CDL school, all the thing they finna teach you is how to make this left, this right, how to bag up and get on. I'm teaching you more than just how to drive a truck. I'm teaching you how to not only drive a truck, but how to maintain your career, how to further your career. Being a truck driver, I know that you said once you got into business, they didn't judge you. Being a felon, they didn't judge you by tattoos or anything like that. But now that you mention the police, when, I don't know if you've ever gotten pulled over or anything like that. I have several times. And they run all of that. Being you are a convicted felon, do they treat you any differently driving a truck than if you were driving a car? Yes, they do. So if you have a CDL license, you are here to a higher standard than a person who has a regular driver license. So they're gonna deal with you completely different because in their mind, you know the rules and regulations in depth. Even though you're a felon. You being a felon doesn't matter with a CDL. Because they look that up. Well, they're gonna be able to see it, but that's irrelevant. As long as you have the correct paperwork, the correct credentials, man, you good to go. The problem a lot of times be that, you know, you think you know the rules and regulations better than the law, man. You on some fuck the police, and you can't have that type of mentality and that attitude, not only in trucking, but in just doing business. Yes, you have to know how to take care of the business. And that's not to say that it's not racism going on. That's not to say that the officer's not in the wrong. This is not about right or wrong. This is about what's needed to be done in order for us to get to the next, to the next stage, next level, whatever need. We trying to progress. We not trying to sit here. I often tell people this here. Brewster, I'm not gonna die on the side of the highway. If I got a problem to that extent, I know how to just get your badge number or whatever and go make a report. But me arguing with you on the side of the freeway, I mean, I ain't got no win like that. That's not to say that the officer is right, wrong, none of that. Hey, Brewster got enough sense to know how to talk his way out of dying right here on the side of the highway. Exactly. Where do you see this reform and your business taking you? Man, I see it taking us all across the world what it's been doing. I see it growing. I see it continuing to impact lives. I see it continuing to help individuals. That's what I see it doing. And we gonna make millions of dollars while doing it. And we gonna look good while doing it. Do you have a timeline? No, we done already beat the timeline. Okay. Yeah, we beat the timeline. 76% of all inmates returned back to prison within the first three to five years. I've been home nine years. How many people have you helped that actually went back to prison? I've helped several people that's went back to prison. And the number one reason is felony and possession of a firearm. Come out and feel like I need this. I mean, you know, that's the attitude. That's the mentality. I ain't living like that. How you do 20 years in prison and you come out and you need nuclear weapons? Who are you into it with? Nobody. You just did 20 years. Do you think felons need like counselors? Like when they come out somebody to like mentally? Yes. The trauma of prison is real. Yeah, mental illness is real. The trauma and the things you experienced while you incarcerated is real because you might really see somebody getting beat the shit out of them or, you know, you might really see a guy get broke or he may get raped or he may, you know, it's several things that take place inside of those institutions. And they ain't nobody gonna come out and tell you like, damn, that hurt me. You know what I'm saying? They gonna go on a sale and that's gonna be something they gonna deal with that they gonna internalize and process. So you up against that, when you come out here in society, yeah, you need some type of counseling. I was reading an article and I mentioned it to you the other day. And it's just so crazy. It was a man who raped couple ladies, right? And during his time of trial, he decided that I'm going to have a sex change. I'm gonna become a woman. Now convicted, they're gonna send him to a male prison but everything has changed. What you think about that situation? Are they gonna just be fucking him to death or not? Do you think that they should send him to a male prison or should they send him to a female prison? I don't know. He need to go to the male prison. Yeah, now he need to go in there cause he sure got his hands full when he get there. He gonna get all of him, he looking for. Cause the first thing we thought about. I said the same thing. The first thing we thought about or I thought about when he did that, especially because he did that change during his sentencing or during trial. I'm like, he's trying to get out of going there. Oh no, you gone. And they gonna be there waiting on you when you get there. Man, I hope we did you justice, man. So how can people get a hold to it if they trying to learn how to get in the truck and then they trying to link with you to try to get themselves, you know. Boss man Brewster on all social media platforms. We have a non-profit organization from the rec yard to the streets. And at our non-profit, that's an organization that's gonna be having individuals coming home from prison or individuals that's in the streets looking to transform their life. We're in the process of opening up the big reform CDL school. But all proceeds that are donated to the non-profit from the rec yard to the streets, that money will be going towards helping individuals get their CDL, helping individuals who need that counseling and things along those lines. So if anybody wanna support me or do anything to help me, I need them to donate to the, from the rec yard to the streets, non-profit, it doesn't necessarily even have to be money. I need 15, 20 lab tops right now for my school. I got a guy in Atlanta, my boy Traylor Strong. This man donated a whole 53 foot trailer to the big reform CDL school. Wow. Wow. So when is the CDL school starting? Are you sorry it started? So we in the process of getting it going online. You'll be able to take your classes online. Once you complete your classes, I'll bring you out there to my yard. We got like three or four trucks and we'll be training them on you. Then you got some people who already got their permits and they just need training. So we'll charge you three, four hundred dollars, let you come out Saturday and Sunday and get that training in. How long does it take? To do what? To get your CDL. How long, how fast can you learn? For a person who learned quickly, how quickly can you get it? I'll say about two, three weeks. Okay. Man, did you ever go back in and want them to go out and see you and they couldn't believe it? What? I do what? I say, I get that all the time. Believe it. Like what? But I love it. That's hard. And I always tell them, see you never know how somebody going to turn out. You know how you and her being a dick. How you being her being a asshole. You never know how life can turn out. And when they see, that's why I love going back in there. And I make sure I'm looking good when they see me. Because I want you to understand every inmate you see in her, they humans. These are people with families. They got things going on. And I want to neutralize and make it normal that when you come in here you ain't treating them like animals. And you just treat them any kind of way because they locked up. They still got action, man. People charge every day. When you were coming out, were you one of those that the guards would say, oh, I'm going to see you back here again? Listen, this is one of my partners right here, back here. Say, if they would have told you that I'd be boss man, Brewster, right now when we was in prison, would you believe that? Hell no. Flipped it out then. No, they said he'll be dead or back. Yeah, or back. I feel like they tell everybody that coming out. No, not everybody. But you know the ones. I was just having to be one of the ones. They really felt like, man, he going to go get killed or he'll be back because that's how I was living in there. But when I came home and saw how good it was, I ain't got to do none of that. Man, that's so true, man. I ain't got to do none of that. Hey, hey, Brewster, man. We love you, bro. Boss man, man, thank you man. I love it, bro. Like I said, this is one of my favorite ones because it's a success story. And you and I know, everybody don't have that story. Everybody don't do that work. You know what I'm saying? Right. So to see that, I just know that it's big. It's God, man. Save, man. Listen, man. Top three artists of all time before we get off it because you say Kiki is number one. Dead or Alive, any genre. Top three artists of all time. I gotta get that. Your top three, number one. You know Don Key, number one. Number two. Yo, got it. All right, number three. Then three, get a better shot. All ways. You gotta cut some people off of that list. I know what it is. All right, enough. Come on, number three. Hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on for we leave. Hold on, hold on, hold on for we leave. That three kilomere of a time, boy. Let me see something. Don't shout, nobody else out. I ain't gonna shout nobody out, I'm saying. My boy Don Key. My boy Gotti. Ooh, that thing, artist. I'm saying, cause you know. Come on. What is it? Number three. And then remember, it's any genre that are alive. So you don't only have to be rap. Can be anything. Cause I love R&B. Okay, well you can throw somebody in there. Well you know what, man? I'ma go and go with my boy Freda Jackson, man. Hey, that's okay. You are my lady, man. I'ma go with my boy Freda Jackson, man. But I wanna know why you have your Gotti in as a number two. Well first of all. You gotta get real. I'm just asking. No, Gotti the real deal, but he ain't Don Key. But the reason I got Gotti for number two, cause he's another guy who I follow the movement. Everything he's been able to do with the CMG brand, everything he's done with his music, it's prolific. If you listen to him, he gonna give you the blueprint of what you need to do to get to where you need to go. His music. Have you met him yet? I have not met Gotti yet. I'm waiting on somebody to make the connection. That's real. That's real. Hey, man. Thank you for coming on the show. For sure. You done done it? Done done up. Listen, it's been another great segment. A boss talk. In the books. A boss talk 101. What a boss is talking. Oh yeah.