 The close sustenance of the human body and the human life entirely depends on the system that runs the nature. It entirely depends on the systems that are working for the human life and for the life of every living thing. And if that system is damaged, well, the human being will perish. Because we entirely depend from these things. We depend on water, we depend on air, we depend on food, we depend on the space, we depend on how the environment is sound, with the right temperature, with the right weather, with the right conditions for us to survive. And that's what the planet does for us, create the right conditions so we will be in a harmonious environment. And so if we don't have that, there's not going to be peace and there's not going to be any reason to live in an enjoyable life. Life will be crazy as it's going that way pretty quickly. Life will be very confusing for most of humans. And it will be no longer life, but just surviving at all costs, which has become a magnet in insanity. Hello everyone, welcome to Simulation. I'm your host, Alan Sakyan. Very grateful to be on site at the Somatic Sanctuary in Ojai in California. We are now going to be talking about ancient wisdom. We have Mamma, would you want to join us on the show? Hello. Hello. Thank you so much for having me here. We're very, very grateful to have you. I was very fortunate to be introduced to you teaching the ancient wisdom about last month. And since then I've been very interested in continuing to learn and embody this wisdom. And we came down here for the workshop that you had a two-day workshop at the beautiful Somatic Sanctuary. And it was very powerful again. And I'm very grateful that you were willing to sit down with us. And I would like to give some background to those that don't know. Mamma Luijuan is a gifted native and then maestro from Colombia, a master in bringing the ancestral wisdom to all of America and the world. He is a vibrational healer, holistic educator, yogi and shaman of the light. He holds the unique distinction of being the only mamma born outside of Sierra Nevada of Santa Marta, Colombia, authentically ordained by the highest-ranking Kogi, Mamma Jacinto, who recognized and tested him over a 15-year period and was surprised to see how exceptionally accurate Mamma Luijuan was in his way of working with Aluna, the spirit of the mother. Mamma has dedicated his entire life to spiritual training and the work needed to help transform people from all walks of life to recover humans' righteous functioning as part of nature on Earth. He has also been doing silent service across the USA to reharmonize the forces and spirits of nature here in California and around the entire country for 25 years. And you can find the links in the bio below to koginkasewalunafoundation.org as well as the Facebook page Koginkasewaluna. Mamma, let's start things off by asking you, what is this ancient wisdom that you are teaching? The ancient wisdom of what we call the original wisdom of the mother. The mother refers to the power that has manifested everything into creation from the spiritual dimension to materiality. And so the original living wisdom of the mother is that that originally was passed to the first original ancestors, the first spirits, sons and daughters of the mother. And with that the mother has established from the very, very beginning, from millennia right from the very beginning of the creation, has passed this ancestral wisdom that is all about how to behave, how to function, how to get along with each other as a spirit. And how to be able to co-create and maintain the reality in which we would like to live. And essentially how to get along with the environment that sustain us, especially in this dimension, in the human planet. How we can really function with nature, which is extraordinary basic and extraordinary essential. It's something that unfortunately is forgotten. The wisdom that we're talking about is the wisdom for the whole humanity. It's universal. It's the origin of functioning. It's the origin of getting along. It's the origin of holding harmony, balance, integrity. And integrity is the original wisdom that really is critical for maintaining space and especially to preserve this planet. Unfortunately that wisdom, there is no wisdom only for the indigenous, our indigenous people of the world. Not only a wisdom for the kogis of our ancestors, the chipchas of the ancestors of the Sierra Nevada, the kogis and others. That original wisdom, the original wisdom of the world is for the entire humanity. We are only some of the groups that preserve it and we are only some of the ones that are still practicing and applying it. It is not that this original wisdom is strange in the great sense of the expression for the entire humanity. When you see Native people, Americans or Native Africans or Native from any part of the world, when we look at them, even if it's slight differences and a little bit of controversial stuff, they essentially do the same. And when that wisdom is lost, which is the wisdom for the entire humanity to behave in a beautiful dimension and planning like this, when that is forgotten and undermined and neglected, we create what we have right now a complete mess. So this wisdom is what we are here bringing and telling the whole world, especially this is the mission that my mentor, the great mama Hasinto, put me to do. And we pioneered 15 years ago with him and bringing that to the world because it was so critical and it's so critical. The human being recovers the original wisdom of the world to be able to function in this environment and consciously responsible for the planet. One of the best ways I think I've learned from you about understanding this is what sustains us. It is the planet that we live on that sustains us. It is the nature that sustains us. Every breath we take, every drink of water that we have, every bite of food that we have comes from this planet. And when we become disconnected from that, we see so many of the issues that have arisen in our world. And I think that's a beautiful aspect of this ancient wisdom and like you indicated, it's ancient wisdom from all of the indigenous tribes appointing at the same thing that we have in this case lost. I want to ask you about that embodying that remembering of what sustains us of this ancient wisdom. That is the conscious living and functioning? The basis of the original wisdom is actually very self-evident and extraordinary practical and functional. And the best extraordinary proof of the original wisdom is just the functioning of the body. If you see the body, it has many organs, many systems, many intelligent, extraordinary, special functions. The body functions in a very cohesive, coordinated, harmonious way. Even though every organ can be doing a number of functions, they are developed for the entire benefit of the whole system, the whole organized system. The body shows how it's to work in unity, in harmony and in balance. So if the organism that is functioning in unity, cohesiveness and balance, then nature will come to them the same way. Well, nature is life force. People think that nature is trees and rivers and all those are only the material manifestation of the workings of nature. But nature is life force. Life force is a conglomerated group of forces coming from the cosmos and so forth and so forth. So the close sustenance of the human body in the human life entirely depends on the system that runs nature. It entirely depends on the systems that are working for the human life and for the life of every living thing. And if that system is damaged, well, the human being will perish. Because we entirely depend from these things. We depend on water, we depend on air, we depend on food, we depend on the space, it depends on how the environment is sound with the right temperature, with the right weather, with the right conditions for us to survive. And that's what the planet does for us, create the right conditions so we will be in a harmonious environment. And so if we don't have that, there's not going to be peace and there's not going to be any reason to live in an enjoyable life. Life will be crazy as it's going that way pretty quickly and life will be very confusing for most of humans. And it will be no longer life but just surviving at all costs which has become magnets in insanity. If we destroy the environment in which we live, which is lack of consciousness and conscious responsible behavior, so then we are all compromising the most essential elements of the human being. And that's what this original wisdom says. If you don't preserve harmony, balance, order, peace and sound environment, the human being will be crazy and that entirely depends on nature. We don't do that work. Give the example of the body and how beautiful the cohesive system that is and if there is an organ failure that happens, well the body is injured in that process and that is in a sense what is part of the systems. These functioning systems on the planet are experiencing these injuries that the humans are not functioning cohesively with nature, with the system that sustains them. And now you're indicating to us that it's become like an allergic reaction of the planet and that the amount of people that are living in a non-harmonious way with nature is so many. Now how do we deal with the allergic reaction that the planet is giving us right now? We instead are to be part of the harmony and part of the very harmonious functioning of nature. Nature has given us the opportunity to embody a spirit. Our bodies are coming from the workings of nature in a very extraordinary, amazing way. The body itself is a piece of art and that is the original wisdom of millennium, the original wisdom of the earth and the original wisdom of the human race is right there in the body. Look at it and you will care for that body, you will do whatever to preserve your life. If somebody comes to mess with your body and touch it and even just do a little pinch or something, you will react and you will act defensively. What about if we do the same with the system that have provided our bodies and that's exactly what we should do, protect the environment, the mother, our own lives and bodies, provided our sustenance, we should protect it and we should do what is right. In our wisdom, the wisdom of the ancestral land of Colombia, it is all about how to function, how to get along with the system they sustain us. The best relationship of the human spirit should be with nature to begin with. Otherwise you can get along with superior dimensions or superior levels of consciousness of celestial realms or anything like that. We are here to master the experience in a beautiful environment that was designed for us to master consciousness, to master wisdom, but we are doing the opposite. And we, to matters worse, we are basically attacking our own mother, destroying it. The damages that we are causing to this planet are completely out of proportions, are extraordinarily unthinkable, inconceivable. The damages that we are causing to this planet cannot be repaired probably in millions of years. What nature took in time and process and improvement for thousands and thousands of years, we are designed in a couple hundred years. And if we don't change our ways, we all end up in a very catastrophic end. And I know alarming anybody, but this is the message. It's coming to the point that many people know already that we already have passed the tipping point and which is probably there's no way back to recover, to repair. But we still can stop becoming enemies of nature, stabbing and destroying our own mother, the mother of our own life, the system that sustained and provides for us. This is exactly for us what is insanity. And so this is the alerted reaction. The human being becomes like a pest. It's like a house. If you see some box around, some incest, as I explained before, well, you're cool with it. Especially if you are pro-life, kind of a freak. You're life, you protect the ant that is around there. Two ants, you say, well, probably it's the father and the son. And then you say the whole legion of ants comes to you. And then one night the ants are at your bed. So you say, no, I had to start spraying. And so nature can become very allergic and reactive to us, which is the case, because we are intruding, invading, destroying the organs of functioning and recovery and the organs of balance of the earth just to make profits. Which is okay, you know, there is a level that it should be intelligent and not blind to make profits and to make business. But to the point that people should respect it, do not cross the line in the line where we are already causing extraordinary damage that is practically beyond repair. We should not cross that line. And my message here is also for the ones who are making profits and destroying nature, I'm not going to blame anybody because I can point fingers to anybody. But remember that probably they also had children and their new generations and money doesn't guarantee the good future of anybody. What guarantees the future of every single human being here in a lower status, in a high class, is harmony, balance, and has good environment that is coming from nature. So I really, I will really ask to these people, whoever is that, please, we beg you to reinvest the money that you have taken from nature to repair it. Please do that. Please. And you're not going to do it because of your own set of beliefs and, you know, system of beliefs, of your convictions and everything, but I'm telling people there is still, and I'm speaking to the people who still can hold a level of consciousness. This is not about in what side you are. If you are in the right side, in the low side, in the higher side, in the high class, it's about the whole humanity that let's reinvest and return to nature. Otherwise you will see what happened. And it's happening right now. It's not only what people are doing in manipulated nature. That's only another consequence of the same, same disaster. The disaster of the human race is one. Eight billion people, that is dysfunctional, how to get along with nature, including the ingenious heads and the ingenious geniuses of the planet with very few exceptions. The billions of years of evolution that it took for the planet to be able to sustain us and then in just a couple hundred years, the ways that it seems the irreparable damages that have been caused need to be healed. And you requested for those that have made profit off of the planet and other humans to please reinvest back into the nature that sustains us to guarantee a better future for us all. And also I want to see what your thoughts are here. Every child being born in full connection with the full potential to be connected to nature, to spirit, and then there is a lot of deceptions and manipulations that can, the fragmentation of the spirit, and then will you please teach us about that process? Yeah, once people are caught in an artificial system, that is actually, it's deceptive because it's artificial. And it's also deceptive because it doesn't get along with nature. If the system will get along with nature, it will be not that deceptive and it will not be that dysfunctional. It's that simple. But people have become so desensitized and so on sensitive and so unconscious that the system of artificial malfunctioning is completely predominant and the human race is just moving in the system that it doesn't have any level of connection and any level of functioning with nature. And so children who are born in the same system unless somebody comes and brings consciousness because it's not to remove children from this dysfunctional system. That's already something really, it's a wrong view, it's a wrong perspective. It's to bring children to come and get along with nature so they will be able, the new generations, by being educated in the wisdom of the world and the wisdom of functioning with the system that sustain us. So they will probably are the force that will create the change. But it depends on the educator. Who educates the educator and the functioning with nature? Probably the ones who know the wisdom of the world and the wisdom of the original wisdom of humanity. That's exactly what we're doing. So the question of deception is a system that is completely artificial that has no way to get along with nature. It proves that in this system, look I'm not an activist I'm not a pro rebel or something like that. That's not what we do. We're not here to politicize or spiritualize politics or politicize spirituality. That's completely stupid for us. We only follow wisdom and we tell people to say look if you don't stop behaving and building an artificial system we all will be destroyed. As simple as that, it has happened before. It has completely this behavior of being smart and trying to outsmart nature with inventions, with technology, with science. It's not the first time that great civilizations have completely been banished by the power of creation because they just went too much. Little too far in their own curiosity and their own stupidity and they destroyed themselves. They went the same way in stupid things. Trying to destroy the system that actually sustained us and then trying to outsmart the system that is super intelligent and is also super, super delicate. We don't know how to do that. And we now have the conviction that science and technology is going to repair the problems that we created in the first place. No, it's about the system of malfunctioning. If the system malfunction and it doesn't get along with the system that sustained us, so then that's the catastrophic event of a human being. So the question of deception is why we are so convinced. This is exactly the deception. Why we are still so convinced that what we're doing is just fine just because we are barely sustaining a system of malfunctioning that, well, it's okay and somebody or some, you know, very, very reduced group of people is benefiting from that system. That doesn't mean that the system is not dysfunctional. The system and which is where it's wrong is completely dysfunctional and it's going to collapse. Whatever is dysfunctional and it doesn't get along with nature, it will collapse. Simple as that. And sooner or later, it will collapse. Simple as that. And we don't want to prove that the system is right through a very catastrophic event. The ultimate, you know, doom day, you know, boom day, you know, like the ultimate, ultimate apocalyptic event to prove, yeah, our system was wrong. Bye-bye, everybody. This is exactly the deceptive. The deception lies in the fact that we insist and insist that the way we operate for centuries, especially the last century in this life, that that's a system that functions at work just because, you know, probably for some work, conveniently, but that's not guaranteed, it will not collapse. So while we don't avoid the collapsing of a system that is dysfunctional, and we correct it, it will be great for the ones who are on top and good for the ones that are low. And we will continue. The deception lies in the fact that we are still completely freaking attached to a system because it brings us profits and benefits and pleasures and, you know, power and all that. But it's a dysfunctional system. Completely. It's no wise. That's why we are here to say to return to the original wisdom and save what is dear for us is the planet, the functioning of the planet, and let's get along with it. It doesn't matter if everybody is different and want different things. Nature is nothing but a very, very big variety of things. And however nature, no matter how different is everything in nature, everything from the tiny to the mighty works in harmony. They are high mountains. They are low valleys and rivers and caves, and they function in harmony. Just as in this society, high people with high power, with high money, with high sophisticated knowledge and information. There are low people that doesn't know anything. You know, the tree has roots and they have flowers on top. And still in nature, everything functions cohesively, harmoniously. This system can keep the high ranking people and the low ranking people, but it still can function, getting along. As the laws of nature, the law of the high, the lower should be the stronger, you know. The stronger part should be sustaining the weak part. Isn't that the way it's in nature? Now the opposite, the weak and the deficient sustaining the stronger, it will collapse. A tree is not sustained by the leaves and by the flowers. A tree is sustained by deep, deep roots. This system pretend that the lower, that the weaker sustain the stronger. It will collapse. And its civilization is not guaranteed. There have been collapses in the past and the disconnection from nature and immature playing with god-like technologies is a recipe for disaster. And will you teach us about this relationship? I think this is a really great way of explaining it that the older brother carries this ancient wisdom and that the younger brother is out in the world creating, engineering, building, toying around and making all these cool things. But when the younger brother is disconnected from the ancient wisdom and doing that, it's again a recipe for disaster. Will you teach us about that relationship? Completely. The question of the younger brother and elder brothers and younger brothers, it comes to a very simple thing. An elder brother is an obedient brother. Somebody who is stuck, you know, stick to the rules, follow the principles, is rigorous, is reliable to the power as the beginning has been. And the younger brother is a younger brother but is a teenager. You know, like, you know, poisoned by ideas, poisoned by curiosity, by rebellion, by great, great creativity, it's vivacious, it's crazy, it's very thrilled, it's outgoing, it's just out there exploring the space, murder, broken down the atoms and getting crazy building, buildings that are just thousands of murders about so he can reach in his class the souls of God and say, hello, look how great I am and all that. That's the younger brother. He has tremendous ingenuity, creativity, curiosity, in vain so cannot think that are cool and sometimes are really ingenious. He has also his own wisdom to keep going in his own life and everything but he went crazy. So older brother including us, the ones who call wisdom that we were born in a country that honors and respect nature, most of us that are from my generation we are completely conscious on nature. I was born as a campesina, as a country boy and I learned from the land, from the way we were living the nature is our mother and I am in this business of spirituality ever since I know myself. The real spirituality is first you are the spirit nature is life force that is the spirit you should get along with honor, with dignity, with respect like you respect your grandmother but younger brother put the great mother in nursing homes and he go about his entertainment and his inventions and discoveries those in here the grandmother the grandmother dies in a nursing home that's exactly the disaster. Younger brother never lend the wisdom from the ancestors from the elders and that's why he goes about his craziness and that craziness is expanding like a pest like an infection, a pandemic and that will bring us to destruction that will destroy the younger brother the entire planet it has happened before because the mentality of the younger brother which is not in the mind, is not in the brain is in the spirit this curiosity, ingeniosity is he is thrilling instinct to discover and to find out, to explain is ancestral, is in the spirit and it has caused already many problems it's not only in this planet but in dimensions and it's in different times in the planet and the cosmos the younger brother has gotten crazy and it has created all kinds of things but also I'm not saying there is only a younger brother also the elder brothers have been thrilled by the younger brother's attractions and he also has felt and that's why you see many of the elders also fell into the same trap and you can see here in America and other places of the world there are no longer real, real people holding the original living wisdom of the earth and humanity and that's why people doesn't, it's completely forgotten with very few exceptions our race, if it doesn't have what you call the tutorial very clear eye on top of the younger brother he will get crazy, he will lose sense of proportions he will go so mad and crazy that to the point that destroys everything that's the reason why we come and tell what we say and I've been doing this for 50 years very intensely right now for the last 25 years look at what is happening fortunately I gotta tell that there is people who is getting it there is people probably like you they are really, hey, this is serious there's no longer a stop the game of madness, destruction and uncontrollable policing stop it it's time, we're not gonna have much time to repair right now we can only stop and correct, we're not gonna correct anything because it's probably not gonna be time for that the conscious living that we can embody for the process of healing it's within us, not outside of us and outside of us is where we sometimes find the deceptions, the entertainment and the drugs and so many of the things outside of us, but on the inside of us how do we heal from the inside our connection to spirit and nature and then how do we go out into the ancestral lands for healing as well and go on that process there are sacred spaces in nature the spaces with the water system with the rain system with the reproduction of vitality and the reproduction of all the vigor and nature is repaired constantly and the high mountains and caves and fountains on the ground currents of water and caves and the very original rivers and the snow peaks and the ice lands and all that in the Johnson Road rivers and oceans and mainly in the oceans, nature is repairing and renovating, nature is recreating, nature is recycling and everything if we mess with those sites and we damage those sites, it's like in your body you leave this damage and then your kidneys are damaged and then your stomach is damaged and your lungs are damaged and then it becomes a systemic damage, what do you think will happen with that then the whole body will collapse isn't it probably will less, so what we're thinking that by causing all these damages to the system of the world and we're going to repair it is stupidly wrong and so the human being being disintegrated because it's captivated by a system that is dysfunctional and probably it's not intended that way but it went that way for the lack of the other part, the wisdom that it tells you when is enough when enough is enough when you need to stop being foolish thinking that you're a genius the most foolish thing in life is that you believe that you're a genius when you are screwing yourself and screwing many others, that is called the worst level of stupidity that's exactly what is happening in this planet and then also and we're going to repair it we'll figure it out, somebody else from another dimension and the aliens are going to tell you what to do when it was simple from the beginning keep the harmony, keep the system recycling functioning, do not damage the structure of the planet, energetic and material structure of the planet don't damage it, so we will be able to receive the forces of the cosmos and you don't have to mess with anything else and you can have a great life there with money or without money but still you can have a great life there is more than money power and more than power is domination and all that, oh really? well that way you have a hell because then you start destroying nature and this is exactly the cause of this integration and the spirit that we were talking about since human has completely forgotten the first is the spirit and it's part of life force life force is the spirit, so we don't care about anything we only care about what we can see but the unseen, the invisible the supernatural, that is not that supernatural it's weird but doesn't mean that it's not natural and it's like every single human being probably is weird to himself because you are first a spirit and a body and the most essential thing in your life is your spirit isn't it? part of life force but if you start considering that you are first a spirit then you say I'm getting crazy, no you are probably re-naturalized, you lost the natural sense of perceiving yourself as a spirit and unfortunately people only record the sense of a spirit when they're going to die I'm going to die in a dying bed and then you rediscover something that you lost for the rest of the beginning of your life, on the entire life you lost the sense of being a spirit and then that is there to remind you, to prove you that you are the spirit because something is leaving, what is it? something is getting out, something came into the body to run the body, to run the life of the human and something get out, therefore you are a spirit and so when you lost sense of spirit you lost sense of spirit, you lost sense of consciousness when you lost sense of consciousness you lost sense of functioning and sense of purpose it's so simple, that's the wisdom and that's why the human being is disintegrated now, when the spirit is not functioning with the body harmoniously with the sense of purpose then that's what people is wounded as fragmented as fractured, as afflicted tormented, because all of this the spirit doesn't have a chance and that's why people are unconscious because there is no spiritual presence and they call spirituality all kinds of practices and all kinds of things, yeah those things are good and nice, I practice many spiritual things for most of my life but the first spiritual practice is that you recognize that you are a spirit directly and if you lost that that's why people are unconscious where there is no spirit, there is no consciousness how do we recognize that we are a spirit it's so natural, it's at hand like you recognize that flower and then you see the flower right there and then you smell it, the essence of that rose is the spirit body and essence, flower and essence that's exactly the same thing that the human is is body and is essence the flower is the body the essence is the spirit we are always together, we lost that consciousness I say wait to support you healing that will heal the dysfunctional systems that are how we are dysfunctional with nature right now and then what would it look like then for us to be at our full purpose because it seems as though we have with this great dysfunction many of us have a lack of daily purpose, daily meaning doing something that we find very meaningful every day so when we are fully embodied with spirit then we're surrendered and we get to achieve our track of our divine purpose part of deception in the human reality which is very actually discouraging and also the cosmicity is that the purpose of a life of a human being is not what the spirit has a grip on but it's the purpose that the official system has it imposed upon him in the mind and in his psychic and whatever it is not in the spirit so the purpose of a life of a human being is agree upon in the spirit by the means of intelligent power throughout a very very clear conscious agreement with the power that has created us delivering to being as a spirit we have a clear pure purpose in the spirit that is completely forgotten and it is not the same for every single human being once again here is the body the leader has a purpose to do 380 functions in an astonishing way probably more for the benefit of the body there is something still like people I want to do my own thing but even if it's your own thing it should be for the benefit of the whole for the benefit of the collective as the body indicates the heart does its own thing on its own but with the purpose and the benefit of the whole everybody can do something as long as as far as the collective and the reason because this went wrong is because that's the the national consciousness in the spirit and that's the agreement to function for the benefit of the whole there is no suffrage but it went wrong because the system of deception has imposed the poopers to the human being there is also artificial art the system is it doesn't benefit the collective it benefits the system but not the collective simple it's a beautiful way of looking at it all of the different cells in the body like humans on the planet how they all work cohesively in the body for the functioning and if with a on a civilizational level if they can also work cohesively with their individual purposes then in balance with nature then that can be a beautiful beautiful look you're living the original living wisdom of humanity the original living wisdom of the human race the original pure wisdom of nature you are every single instant as long as you're in a body as a spirit you are living in on it the wisdom which is keep the body alive is no different that the wisdom runs in nature and runs the entire system of nature you are there on it as the most extraordinary proof the functioning and the life of the body there you go and then you're asking what is the wisdom it's not in the books it's not in the you know data on the collection of information the wisdom of this planet of this dimension which is the reflection of a celestial original wisdom of the spirit is right there in your body and the spirit is coming to work with it as it's coming to work with nature and people is completely unconscious when they have health issues and real serious diseases and challenges now they see that the body doesn't function and then probably the spirit gets completely disintegrated now they have a problem and that's probably the only time that they pay attention couple other thoughts on the way out I want to I want to hear your thoughts on this so when we tap into the cohesion of of being connected to nature on a moment to moment basis we feel expansive we feel beyond we feel all that is we feel mother we feel the source the spirit and if we can hold that on a moment to moment basis you said that that was grace yesterday you said that was grace and if you can connect with grace on a moment to moment basis then that can be one of the best ways to live consciously and function consciously the first thing we tell the state of grace is that you the spirit is part of that perfection we are part of the mother power of part of the of part of God and the spirit we are part of that we were born and created as a part of God and that's the first level of grace if you're consciously you're part of the power of grace so then your consciousness will be recovered some of the many spiritual practices of this world especially in the younger brother they supposedly are pointing out to it but yet people don't change their own behavior when they discover and they have this direct very simple natural experience that you are the spirit part of the great great power then your behavior will be completely changed and that's exactly the original wisdom since probably people have gone so far away from the power and we did not follow the most important law function in which is reciprocity reciprocity means to correspond one and another in a loving association you call love was reciprocity if we don't reciprocate with the power that has created us we call the mother power we have to correspond with the mother power the first level the way we correspond to the mother power is fulfilling the agreement that we came here to fulfill and obeying the natural law function and created by it we did not create the laws we did not create the principles of function and they were created with the creation itself if we will loss how to correspond with the power naturally functionally where we will malfunction with everything we don't correspond with anything we take, we take, we take we don't care therefore the natural law the original law of reciprocity is the power that holds harmony integrity and balance if you don't reciprocate with everything and then things will collapse it's like would you have a relationship with somebody you give and give and give love or you take and you take and you take and you take the so-called love in a relationship but you don't give back what kind of relationship is that the real relationship between humans between nature between power the power of creation that we call the mother power is based on reciprocity you take you give back in every possible way is that what we do we have a disposable planet mentality yeah we use in abuse and then we dispose extraordinary unconscious and irresponsible and there's big delinquencies you use this word that we have to pay our taxes that we're delinquent on the taxes as in the connection to nature that we've been disconnected from fragmented from well the taxi thing is translated into the Django brother terminology to make that not that weird more connected with the dysfunctional system to follow which is the monetary system the financial system the money system is like yeah pay the taxes to the ones who you know are the organized system of finances and supposedly the system that runs the budget for everything to maintain everything but it's to maintain a system it's not to maintain nature so the system of monetary financial stuff if part of the budget is in best the to repair nature and to maintain nature so in other words pay the taxes to nature the same pay the same way to pay taxes for everything it's great that you pay taxes because it's part of you know the collaboration and the great part for maintaining a system that is necessary for humans absolutely but part of that budget should be uh dedicated to repair the maintain nature because most of the profits in model most of the business and most of the money is made out of using of using nature and destroying nature and exterminating nature so why now part of those things should be in best in repairing nature it's very intelligent actually it doesn't go against anybody probably it's inconvenient but just for a while people get used to pay taxes for everything taxes well that's amazing it's good because in maintaining a system but it's not maintaining the system they maintain that system that depends out of it and that system that is close the system that really sustain us pay the taxes to nature the same way you pay the taxes for everything and then we will be in balance or at least we will stop the crazy destruction that we are creating if we pay taxes to nature in many various ways versus maintenance maintenance look at this if you have a little machine the lawn machine to cut the lawn and keep it beautiful it needs maintenance it needs to pay the handyman the operator and everything else in it so what's the kind of money that we invest in maintenance and nature if we were taking everything from nature what's the kind of work what's the kind of investment that we do and workers and labor and humans that are completely dedicated it should be a department in this country and in many others that department on nature maintenance and billions should be invested in it and cool continue with your business but you also are investing in maintenance and repairing nature the same thing that you do with your refrigerators with your computers with your sophisticated cars and planes and quantum computers do it with nature and then things will be better I wrote this down in the notes during the workshop that it would be interesting if 10% of every single venture capital fund over 10 million dollars had to go 10% of it had to go towards this maintenance of nature budget around the world I think that would be very helpful things like that also when you say pay your taxes you're making it clear you're not going to the ocean unconsciously taking a selfie and then leaving this is a go there it's not a selfie, it's a selfish you go to nature put your hands take the picture probably before committing suicide because that hasn't been the case and a beautiful setting in nature and you go that's what's so wrong with us that's the title of my next coming book called what's wrong with us this is the level of insanity what's wrong with us I mean could you bother to just go back to the grandmother and say grandma how you doing I love you it's ridiculous to be there or we can only have sex there in all kind of ways and get naked and get beaten by a charge or something like that and then the selfish before committing suicide what's wrong with us nature is there to be honored to be respect not to be only used in the views in a society like this one of the most powerful and yet cynical and pathetic and beautiful world is word in language it is used in the views more than any is abuse that word is exploding in so so so so many ways with animas in relationships with everything verbal abuse, psychological abuse sexual abuse all kind of abuses are levels on that might be true but what about the abuse to nature nobody says anything about the abuse to nature abuse to the system to the grandmother mother earth that sustains us all what about the abuse the collective global abuse the biggest abuse of all what you don't say anything about it we do we are abusing nature we are exterminating nature the system that sustain us because of the lack of consciousness the lack of responsible behavior and because we have lost sense of the spirit sense of being and sense of functioning and the last thing I think I would love for you to touch on quickly is on a big picture level of what's happening on the planet it is in many ways seems at times that there are forces that are at play on this beautiful planet that are beyond what is here in the physical world and so what is sometimes it literally feels like light forces versus dark forces that are at play on the planet and where do they come from how do the dark forces come within that spiritual fragmentation when we are fragmented disconnected from nature that's where evil comes in teach us about that the spirit of fragmentation the first level is the loss of sense of spirit and then let's say shocking irreparable experiences because of not knowing and not holding ourselves as a spirit just with the characters and personalities no sense of spirit whatsoever so that in itself creates a serious serious fragmentation in the spirit the spirit is inability to come and perform it's real function so that fragmentation causes the others you know this is that because we don't operate as a spirit consciously then we will start creating sub-levels of energy sub-levels of quality and our own development which is levels of energy and density which is coming from mentalizing and mentalizing the lowest kind of energy is mentalizing psyching things out like crazy I'm using mentalizing and I'm using psyching out you know especially with experts the mentalized, over analyzed they cannot be natural anymore have some sense of proportion and common sense that is the most common sense from nature we are a spirit life was a spirit and so when we had lost sense of spirit sense of being sense of function with nature you know so then everything gets crazy and we create a dense operating way that probably attracts the same from other planes from other spaces from other dimensions and then as that is degrading and degrading even more probably attracts attracts and magnetizes something that you can call that forces at place forces of evil forces of that part, yeah but we are calling for it we are the ones responsible for that let evil be there in its own function, God put evil there to do its own function and what we do we don't do ours it should be intelligent and divine evil is there for the purpose who knows the Bible says and some of the accounts of the Bible and your wisdom the wisdom of the most of the Christian world and so now as they say God creates evil for the purpose probably is to prove us if we are faithful and conscious if we are integrated and function intelligent intelligence is part of presence of spirit if we are stupid probably we are attracting that evil take control of us and sabotage us and manipulate us in its own way it is totally up to us we are the ones who bring the problem we are the ones who can solve the problem with wisdom with consciousness and with responsibility we will solve even at the times that we live in and critical times and the times that are completely crazy despair and confusion we can come to senses we can come to terms everybody with his own capabilities and gifts and wisdom and stop the problem if we cannot repair fully at least we can correct and bring a better let's call future for the new generations this is exactly with the ancient wisdom of my ancestors it's necessary in this world of the Janger brother the Janger brother has to stop being naughty and being spoiled and come to visit the grandmother and receive some consoling not only with the psychology but with the grandmother wisdom wow this has been definitely one of my favorite sit-downs that I've ever had on the show thank you so much thank you for having me we are very grateful for you and one moment I'll close the show quickly I just want to say everyone please please do check out the links in the bio below to the KoginkasewaLunaFoundation.org as well as the Facebook page the amount of times that you're traveling around the United States there's an Asheville in Florida in the California so please there are plenty of opportunities to come and partake in this ancient wisdom and we highly highly recommend you do so there's also other videos as well of mama giving talks online so please do check those out and share this type of ancient wisdom with your friends, your families co-workers, people online go and pay the taxes to the ancient mother, to our grandmother to source the spirit to 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