 Hell, swing low, sweet charry, charry-o-out, coming for the charry-o-out. Take him home, please. Hey, welcome back to our show, but we're actually at some corner. I'm Rick. I actually don't know the other words outside of swing low, sweet charrys. Swing low, sweet charry-o-out, coming for it to carry me home, that's it pretty much. What made you think of that? Your mother's breasts. Perfect. Weird coincidence. Today we're doing a movie review and it's of the 20, no, 20, wow, 2085, the first channel to review films from the future because of the, that's the juicy content we're always talking about. It's because of the discovery of fusion that just took place here in the United States. We now can do reviews of films in the future. You're welcome, the world. Let me tell you, Sherlock-Con has a banger coming up. Truly. It's amazingly shaped. He's in at 102. Today we're doing a movie review of the 1982 film Moon Ram Pirari, which apparently means the three crescents, I think, or in Hindi it's Sadma, which they made with the exact same cast and crew, I think one year after this one was made. I'd be interested to see the differences in them. But it's obviously we've been told to watch Sadma or this one for a long time. We go with the original. That's what we just like to do. All the actors in it, all the filmmakers are Tamil, so we went with the Tamil version. Yes. Which I think would make two millions happy. I would assume. Yeah. And it's directed by, yes, directed, written, and cinematography by Balu Mahendra. And composed by Rajasar, and starring a few little unknowns, Kamal Hassan and Shridhavi. Shridhavi. Shridhavi. Shridhavi. Yeah. S. Ritavi. She might go somewhere someday. Maybe. Maybe. Who knows. She'd play a great mother in the future, I think. I think so. I think so. Anyway. It's something about the English language. I don't know. Because there's two, it's like there's an E and a V. We've seen films from the future. Yeah. We told you. Yeah. Anyways, it'll be a hundred and four of you. It came out in 1982. We saw it on Amazon, Sadma. This is one I think most people have seen. Yeah. This one, or Sadma. And we've known about this film for a long time. Few years. I think it was Sadma that we actually saw. I think it was the Sadma scene. Yeah. Because I was waiting for it in this. I was like, it's not here. Yeah. Because it's in the Hindi version. Yeah. It's in the Hindi version. If you haven't watched it, go watch it. Come back. Ricky, your initial thoughts, please. Mixed bag that I ultimately liked. The mixed bag we'll get into in some of the deeper conversations, but ultimately I liked it. I particularly liked the ending scene. I liked the basic plot of the story, even though I have problems with the story as well. I loved and am thankful for the revolutionary runtime of the day. Because it was extremely short for films of the day. 1982. And I think it's one of those films that we say a lot when it comes to older films, particularly older films that come from the South, is that I think that this is a film that would be most appreciated by Indians, especially South Indians. And I think it's an important film in terms of understanding and appreciating the history of Damal cinema and the history of two legends in film of Kamal Hassan and Sri Devri. And even I'll talk a little bit about silk because she stood out to me as well. But ultimately I liked it, but for a lot of reasons that you have to give an asterisk to in terms of if I'm recommending this film to people, it's going to be a very different recommendation to a Westerner, an Indian, and a South Indian. Yeah. I'd say, I mean, and a lot of it had to do, our copy wasn't great in terms of the audio and visual quality was not the worst we've seen. No, by far not the worst. Not the best either. So like the audio quality and the video quality could both have been much, much better. And maybe it was in Sadma. I'd be interested to actually see the differences. Did they have a little more money for the Hindi version? Yeah. What were the differences? Because I was waiting for a particular song that we reacted to. And I think I know which song it was that we reacted to, but it was very, it was like pretty different. Yeah. And I thought it was just a copy-paste movie. And I think it is, but I think they took some creative, little creative differences in the Sadma so you guys can tell those differences there. But ultimately I liked it as well, especially the performances. I thought it was a really unique story. It is. And I was also intrigued as to where it was going to go. Because it's a super interesting, like, so this is a grown woman, a beautiful grown woman. But she's a child. It had a lot of elements that make you go, hmm, when you're watching Big. Yeah. I had similar feelings. Yeah. But that's why I was so interested. I was like, are they going to end up together? Right. She's been treating her like her child this whole time. But she's fantasizing about her because she's a woman. She is a grown woman. She's not actually a child, but she thinks she's a child. And he also has been treating her as a child this entire time. I was super interested to see where this was going to go. What did you think? My guess is you were a step ahead of me in this part of the film. When he gave her the sorry to put on, and then she came out. Did you know it was a dream? I was like, what the hell is going on? I was like, did she just change? Also, she now remembers everything. And then after it was going on, I was like, hmm, this is not real. The minute she gave a look, she just gave this kind of look at him of like, there's a good change, too, because it was a totally different character. I thought, okay, yo, that ain't no seven-year-old girl right there. I did actually really appreciate that part of the film because it explored his challenges. I have a lot to say about that aspect in a minute. But overall, yeah, I really, really enjoyed the film. I think there was a lot of technical stuff that you can't really get around and stuff like that. But let's go in and talk about the performances most notably Shredevi. What did you think about Shredevi? I thought she hit most of the time. There were a couple of things for me that were misses where I felt like she was, this is me being very particular in my critique of her if I'm watching an actor. It is not an easy role. I felt there were a couple of points where she was showing me a seven-year-old rather than being a seven-year-old. I feel like it's this, and you can tell me the laughing. That's pretty common in India, how some people laugh sometimes. Maybe it's because it's a dubbed laugh, and maybe that adds to the strange. The disconnected weirdness. Especially in the laughs, I felt the same. Most of the time, I think she did a really good job. I think she was hitting everything she needed to hit properly. The points where she misses are the kinds of points where this happens a lot, and thankfully my wife likes me doing this. We'll be watching something, and you'll see something indicative of the fact that I didn't like what I just saw, and she'll say, what did you see? And she's okay with me pausing it and going back. There were a few moments like that where I would have to point it out to you and show you where I believe, and I don't have any way to confirm it. It's just what is being conveyed, it's not translating to me, but those misses were much farther and fewer between. They're very forgivable when you take into consideration the larger aspect of what she had to do, because that isn't an easy thing to make you believe. No, and it was also super, I'll get into the story in a little bit. But yeah, I thought she did a really good job. I thought her switches were really good in terms of, like, the seven-year-old character was a very different character than the one that obviously came out during his dream, the one that was at the end and the beginning of the actual age of this woman. So I did appreciate those switches, because they were specific and intentional decisions she decided to make that I think worked really well, and you needed to have a very distinct difference when she was in the seven-year-old mindset. Absolutely. And so I thought, for the most part, she did a really good job. And it might be also the dubbing, it might be the time that it was made. I don't know, there were some other parts that I do agree that I saw her trying to be a seven-year-old. Exactly. But yeah, most of the part I thought she did a really good job. And one of the indicators, the things that show you how good of a job she was doing as the seven-year-old, was when she did switch in the dream sequence to the mature woman again because she was doing zero indicating or presenting of the mature woman. But I could tell just by her essence that she was a woman again immediately. And she wasn't doing anything to show me I'm a woman now. She was just being a woman, which is why it strikes you in that moment of what the crap's going on because she's clearly changed just by the way she's looking and standing. And that transition shows you the depth of everything else she was doing. And again, the moments, why they didn't work in those moments could be the dubbing, could be all those other things. And thankfully they were just a few moments where it was like I didn't believe that. What did you think about Kamal? Okay, I can't talk about his performance without talking about something that I love about him that I've noticed in every movie we see. And I think I've talked about it in every film, so have you. First of all, no surprise how grounded the guy is all the time. He just at a time throughout, I mean, I think he's always been grounded. Even when he's being silly, he's still being grounded in the silliness. He's a very, he looks for the truth in every moment, which makes him a great actor. The other thing about him that's not related necessarily to him as a craftsman in acting, but the kinds of films that he does, one of the things I'd love to talk to him about if we ever got that chance would be the consistency with which the movies he did talked about, showed, and celebrated in ways I can't think of anybody else in Indian cinema, sexuality. It's a consistent storyline. It's aside from his groundedness and his desire to just do stuff irrespective of... I mean, we've said this, he is an artist. Box office is not why he does it. It's about storytelling. It's about what interests him. It's not about whether it's going to be a success. This is the story I want to tell. These are the breakthroughs I want to do in technology. And the other thing I absolutely love is how often the projects he's involved in, this one very strongly throughout, talks about and shows sexuality. And I love it. I love that about Kamal Hassan. I'd be too. I don't know if anybody's ever asked him. We can't be the only ones to ever notice that. Can't be. But there's more consistent shows of sexuality, sex, intimacy between people than any other thing, and they also show a lot more usually than any other thing. It's not just a song number, or even though there might be a song accompanying it, but you actually see them kind of like almost having sex a little bit. She straight up is rubbing his heart on with his leg in that dance. And the thing I love about it is that it's never voyeuristic. It always feels celebratory. Or it's showing you the dark side of something. I don't ever feel that it's just done for voyeuristic sensationalism. I feel like he always has a creative motive behind it. Yeah, I agree. And I thought he did a really good job in this film as well. He plays everything, even though this was more of a straight man character a lot of times. He showed a lot of depth and a lot of, no surprise. I loved his moments where he was being the monkey. I did too. Because he didn't really, really well. It was very touching for him to try. My favorite part of the film is the conclusion when he's doing everything he can to trigger her memory and what he's bringing back are the happiest moments they've had together with the monkey imitations. And I really saw a guy who was trying to connect with this girl that became his best friend and he fell in love with in the most childlike of ways. I didn't feel like he was just performative ever. Yeah, I loved the ending. Yeah, I did too. Because I was so interested in where this was going to go. Me too. Because I was like, it'd be weird if they got together in the end. Yeah, it's like big. It works best that they aren't together. Because she thought she was a child the entire time. Even though now she doesn't know, you thought of her as a child. Obviously, there's times when I actually liked the song number where you saw that he was seeing her as a woman, not the child that he's basically praising her as. He was basically her father this entire time. At least he was acting like it. Yeah. And so in the end he ended up, it would be a Woody Allen situation. It would. And the film can really be, you can have a whole conversation in this film about the way women are viewed sexually, the healthy ways that they're treated, the unhealthy ways they're treated, sex trafficking. Can you, and his character I think is an extremely healthy man who is not afraid to admit that he's having sexual fantasies, but also recognizes he has the willpower to not act upon the fantasies. Like when he's, I mean, he had every opportunity to have an affair with silk. And he chooses the higher level moral ground of not betraying a friend who's given him food for five years. Yeah. When his wife is pretty damn sexy and made it real clear she wants it. You want to talk about her? I do. Yeah, go ahead. What do you want to say? You go ahead first. The minute I saw her, I started looking up who is that woman. She gave off very rake up. Yes, she did. Vibes in terms of her just, her sexuality. And I thought she's perfect for the role. I loved, and I know there's a lot of quote unquote controversy around not only her past and her career, but her passing. Oh, really? Yeah. She died really young and she died of what was supposedly a quote unquote suicide, but maybe not. It's one of those. A lot of people could say she was murdered and they'd have a good reason to say that. Gotcha. But her career, on the one hand, there's a beautiful aspect of her power as a sexually free woman, but there's also a tragedy in the fact that she was exploited. And the world probably never really ever got to see the depth of who she could be because even from a young age, she was objectified. Which I felt our director and the story did a really good job to my view. And I'm not trying to base it on 21st century ideals. I'm looking at it in the terms of where cinema was at the time. It didn't feel like she was being objectified. It felt like she was being celebrated. Yeah, absolutely. And I was so interested in her character one. Obviously her screen presence was amazing. Yeah. Just she sizzling. There's more films with her. I'm looking at her and she has a ton of credits. If there's more films of hers that we should watch, please let us know what those should be. Obviously down below. So we can get to them. And apparently she did quite a bit of quote unquote. By today's standards it's nothing, but back then it was considered soft porn erotica. Oh really? Yeah. By the standards of the day then. Gotcha. Yeah, I thought she was in Sadma as well. Did she play the same character? I guess she did play the same character. Again. The character, I think the grandma wasn't the same. Okay. From what I've read. Yeah, and some of the supporting parts, like most of the stuff we've seen from that era, they're just... Yeah. There's no reason to critique them. But it was so interesting to see her character because I was like, what is the point of this part of the story? Because it was seemingly a sub-plot. Right. Obviously the main plot, but obviously it was showing his character and also his, I think, still like sexual desire for a woman, but also his character of not just going after any woman. Like the fact that he brought this girl in, even though we're seeing that he's a good guy. Yeah. I noticed that as opposed to he saw this poor woman who clearly has a mental disorder in a whorehouse. Right. Which was something I did not expect in the beginning as well. I was like, did her parent just sell her to a whorehouse? Exactly. I'm like, okay, explain this to me. Then obviously they did. Yeah. But like, I was like, what the fuck? Like they were just like asking the doctor, what are we doing? She's doing so, oh, I feel so bad for her. Sell her to a whorehouse. I was so confused for a minute. Yeah. But yeah. So I was so interested, but I thought she did a phenomenal job and also the, I would love to see more of her work because she gives off great screen presence. She does. And I felt like, and you probably felt the same way, that the purpose for her isn't just what evokes out of him, but it depicts kind of, I think, what the men compartmentalize femininity in terms of that, which they lust for and those who they love and not recognizing you can have Hannah Montana. You can have the best of both worlds. You can have the best friend who's very childlike and you play with, who also is her character, the silk character, someone that is sexy and hot. And I think ultimately, if he could have, he would have blended. If she had been a free woman and he could have put in the childlike attributes of Shredevi's character and just put them into one woman, that would have been his dream girl. Absolutely. Yeah. I just noticed my star meter is a little higher than hers. Wow. So. Feel good about yourself? Pretty big deal. We're both in the 89,000s. That's really good considering you've had an entire lifetime to jump ahead of her since she's been gone since 96. So bragging rights. Anyways. Yeah. So I thought they both, all three of them did a really good job for such an interesting story and a unique story, which once again, Kamahasan just loves doing unique stories. And I love that about him. I did too. And I liked all the songs. It would be super interesting to actually see Sadma and see the differences they made. I agree. I would like to see that. Did it, or the changes they made for the better of the film? Right. Are they more commercialized? Did they subdue some certain things that we liked in the original? Obviously, I don't know. Maybe one day we'll see Sadma. You guys can let us know how it is. I know it's the exact same story, but obviously I think they made some technical changes. Maybe they had more money, because obviously it would be the India film industry, and they'd probably have more money at this time. And maybe it's, I don't know what this was shot on, but I just, I wish the print and audio quality were a little better. Yeah. Agreed. But overall, I thought it was a good film. So let us know what you thought about this film, which will be our next Kamahasan, Shri Devi, and Silk films that we should watch. Let us know what those should be down below.