 You're welcome back to the breakfast on plot CV Africa our final conversation today is about the state of the nation and we've invited a public affairs analyst Mr. Victor. Hi. Good morning. Thank you for joining us Good morning, and thank you for having me. All right. Now. Where do you think the confusion regarding restructuring is? Would you say this is because it means different things to different people? Yes, it does mean different things to different people Whereas some would look at restructuring as something physical all those look at it as fiscal that is financial But in the main The clamoring at different times has been because of the state of the nation at different times Whereas at the point in time especially when the Niger Delta Militants were you know agitating for restructuring Their concern at the time was more physical more financial more fiscal more financial because it said that there was some sort of imbalance, you know in the way that You know the resources of the country were being allocated the felt that they were not being fairly treated being We feel like the main source of income for the country at this time the reason for for it although there's the Issue of inequity as well in the way people are treated like what's happening here from the rest Where it is more about security because people feel threatened. So at different times You were asking what country it will be structured a Lot of it is dependent on how You know how I give the feel at the point of time and how badly they feel treated. So if you ask me everything really and truly boils down to Leadership it's just a cry for Leadership because truth is in the country It's prospering if it's equity if there's justice if people are getting what they want And they're not being they don't feel marginalized on family treated I mean, no one really bothers about whether Nigeria is divided or whether, you know, so Restructuring is another word for is another cry for equity All right, miss Al-Qaeda. Do you think that we can have a successful and a flourish in Nigeria If we had good leadership or do you believe that it's also very important that Some of the ideas concerning restructuring are actually looked into if you look if you listen to the Resolutions from the 2014 Comfab, you know, and of course the arguments concerning You know power sharing the arguments concerning a regionalization and also, you know being able to remove some certain items from the Legislative executive list and some of all of that Would all those things be solved if we simply just had better leadership or do we truly need? Nigeria to be restructured in a certain way for it to flourish the thing is that I Bring it out to leadership because whether it's leadership that's equity and that's justice Equity means no one will be treated Everyone will be treated justice means you would get what? You you truly deserve which means no one will be able to I mean no one area will oppress the other So and it takes a leader who is willing to implement this if a leader is not willing to implement this You can split Nigeria into a hundred regions Even in the states You still find inequity and injustice if you divide Nigeria today even in the component part People will still begin to argue for restructuring. I told you that for me what we structuring means is simply a cry For justice and equity. So if you boil down to leadership so All of these issues we address under the right leadership if you don't have good leadership No one is going to address the issue of injustice. No one is going to address the issue of inequity Well, I was just gonna quickly also throw in the conversation from the papers this morning The president he is currently on the fire according to the daily son. It says a fenneferi a pandeff NAF and others Attacked the president over his position on restructuring And you know, it has been, you know, something that has been going on for a long time If you remember the campaign period the current administration had promised that they were going to take restructuring seriously And you know very likely restructured the country, but they seem to have changed You know their position on that quickly also reacted to that Well truth is If you are determining nothing has changed The president never made any promises Speechwriters made promises Okay People who are not going to be on the drivers. It made the promises You know, that's the problem when people want to write what they think people want to hear That's what happened during the campaign and Nigerians were not discerning You know the president Was it has always been consistent if you ask me, you know, he has never he has never promised Any of these things yes the VP may have but he's not the president you may say it in the president was not the president Speechwriters were busy writing what they thought Nigerians wanted to hear and that is the problem Which is why when you're picking leaders, it's important to look at their pedigree It's important to hear what they have said when they were not looking for power It's important to read their body language because at that age It's difficult to change the mind their minds are safe and that's what Nigerians are suffering today Miss O'Hel last question from me last week Friday I spoke to the leader of a feniferee by IO Adeban Joe who's been clamoring for restructuring and he dropped some Bombshells in that interview and one of which is that he said that if Nigeria is not restructured before you know the next elections that you know Nigeria was not going to be together. He talked about the president's full onization agenda by Adeban Joe also Went on to say that the key, you know to Nigeria's unity will be a constitution review Saying that the current constitution we have and was a military creation and that we need a new one. Do you agree? Well, I've been in the same space with him before the last election. They made the same credit That if there was no restructuring, there'll be no election all for me all that is blowing hot The best way to deal with this is to call your representatives at the National Assembly Begin to talk to them call your governors and get their buy-in if they do not buy in no matter what hot air You lose it would just remain that hot air To say there will not be an election is not doing hot air. I've seen if they threatened all that before 2019 I was a candidate in the last election. I was a presidential candidate, and I I was in the same space with people who were threatening. Oh, there's no restructuring. There's no all of that is just hot air They just talking nothing will come out of it. The only way to make things happen is To get the buy-in of your National Assembly members to get the buy-in of your governors They must look at Nigeria first and not their political parties. If they consider the interest of this nation And not the interest of their political parties or their own selfish interests Then perhaps there will be hope for us But unless that happens, I mean if you say there will be no election You say what you say party members will go out there and vote. Are you going to tell the party members not to go? They will go out there and vote The governors will mobilize their people the national assembly will mobilize their people so who is the your constituency? That's the problem So there are people is that we start getting the right people to go and represent us or we start Converting the people are representing us and hope that they can buy into, you know, what we're saying Part of the security situation in the country is begin to big people rethink, you know No longer tricky along party lines, but more along, you know, some of my favorite general lines or along survival lines All right, Mr. Okay, I think we hear your points and I will just hope that everything only decision-taking is for the unity and interest of Nigeria Thank you very much and have a great day Thank you for having me So yes, that's where we close the show today Monday, June the 21st, 2021 I am Annette Felix and I am Osalgie Ogbon Remember to catch up on any of these conversations that you may have missed On our social media platforms and that's Facebook and Instagram and our YouTube page also all at plus TV Africa See you again tomorrow. Bye. Bye