 Welcome to the Advocacy and Outreach Special Interest Group. Today is Thursday, December 16, 2021. Our agenda topics for today are modernizing plugins initiative, upcoming events and planning, moving content from Jenkins is the way.io to Jenkins.io. And then we want to talk about discuss about our next meeting which is planned for December 30. Are there any other agenda items that you would like to edit here or update or add. None for me. None for me either. All right. We can start with the first item which is modernizing plugins initiative and mark do you have update for us. So we're continuing the development work. Right now our development is centered on the Google doc. So John Mark and I are using the Google doc and word John Mark has detected several interesting additional things. We will review it again next Monday in the Google or in the Jenkins Docs office hours with Dirage and with Meg McRoberts and Kristen Whetstone. I hope to be ready to merge it before Christmas, because we we we're going to do it. We've agreed to do it in two phases. So there will be phase one which is for contributors for people who are not yet plug in maintainers and then phase two which is for maintainers and the set of actions that maintainers can do so that what can you do without even being a maintainer seems like a good thing to encourage new contributors new people who just want to submit a poll request and maybe walk away. So we'll keep working on that and John Mark and I will continue. He's a reviewer Dirage and I are doing doing some of the writing and the structure things and Meg and Kristen are giving insights on how we, how we combine them effectively etc. That's all for me. Great. Thank you mark. Thank you for all the events and planning so for Fostum I had an internal discussion with the organizer at Fostum. They said, most likely, the stand option is going to not be available so they will do away with the stand option. I'm still collecting CFP so the deadline is December 27 there. And Alyssa, could you, from my convenience, is there a URL for that CFP if after the meeting you could embed it into those notes that would help me because I haven't submitted my proposal for a talk. Yes, I will do that after the meeting. Scale 19x slated for March 3 to the 6 and Mark and I are still planning to be there. I'm still working things out with the CloudBees events team to see if there's still, we're still on the books for them to budget or sponsor the training portion of this so this is about $3,000 for us to host Mark to deliver the Jenkins pipeline training workshop. That is still in the works. And I'll update the notes after the meeting as well. Google Summer of Code I have started the, the thread and discussion there's the call for admins or org admins project ideas so I'm a little bit ahead of time, I think, but I wanted to toss it out there for people to start noodling and thinking about it. The deadline is February for us as a project to register. Well that's when it opens, not the deadline, but for contributors and now the program is opening this, opening this up to pretty much everybody, 18 and over. We do not need to be a college student or university student. So it becomes even more competitive than it was before. Interesting to see. Okay, good. Well that's that's great that that's wonderful that they're willing to say, Hey, your university position is not relevant here. Yeah, which is interesting. Yeah, and I think their goal is that they want. They have probably found that with college students, they've done the project, put it on the resume and they move on. But the goal here is to keep contributors around for the long term. So that was their hope in making this shift. So my goal is to have project ideas and mentors lined up by February so when we make the submission we have all that information. And then I'll be working on a blog, probably to be ready next week. Again, it's to call for volunteers and project ideas and mentors. Any questions there. Are there already some reactions or no. Well, so, so I thought we had one response from someone who a Chris who wanted to be a mentor. And that's already that's already a good step. So we're getting some traction for Google Summer of Code. Was that response on discourse or was in the. I thought it was in the mail threads. Okay. All right. Certainly we've got to do more active promoting right we've really, I think we're going to need a January meet up, we're going to need active, active solicitation of project ideas we got to dig up the old project ideas and get the pull request submitted to Jenkins.io to to bring them forward there. All sorts of negotiation we need to do there. Yeah. All right. Let's see. Okay, moving on to CD events. And that when we can take out of the list. I don't have anything to offer there. It was discussed in governance yesterday. What CD events is is a specification for interoperability between continuous integration continuous delivery systems. And this delivery foundation is sponsoring that it's now become an incubating project in incubating it's become a project of the CDF. Fatih. And the plan is that Jenkins will be part of that Jenkins is Jenkins already is part of is part of it and has, has what do you call it has multiple projects there we've we've got a plug in that does cloud events, but we probably have to update it in order to support the revisions to the spec. Okay. All right. So Jenkins online meetup so Mark at TN stutter of greater enterprise so I will await for you with regards to the prospect of doing an online meetup with at TN. ATN has agreed to do it. I just got to propose dates. And he's he's ready and willing. I would add one more here. So, I haven't got final agreement yet but after ATN and in the same theme, Kosuke Kawaguchi of launchable similar theme to to the theme for greater enterprise so the reason we're looking at greater enterprise is trying to find ways to dramatically improve the performance of tests for Jenkins. The idea is CI Jenkins that I have spends too much time running tests that actually don't help us don't inform us really about as fast as they could we run a lot of tests, we run all the tests every time. Conceptually, and many of those tests are not relevant because the change that was submitted isn't touching anything that modifies that test. So greater greater enterprise has this tool that we think might help us avoid running some tests and launchable has is heavily focused on finding ways to choose which tests you should run as being valuable for a particular thing. So, do you want to put in or send me at TN's contact information and I can reach out to him and then. Yes, yes, good idea I'll do that save you some time and KK's presentation would actually be a different meetup. So Gradle ATN will do do the presentation on their technique and we'll we'll have developers question and answer session let them ask questions get clarification. Hey, do they think this can help us or not. And after that, sometime after that we hope that KK will be willing to do a similar presentation talk about how we might use launchables technology in the Jenkins project. Yep. All right, so I can, I can reach out to KK would you be would you are you thinking of joining that session with KK. I'll want to be one of the voices there because, because I think so we'll still have you be moderator Alyssa but I will definitely be a strong participant there because I'm one of the sponsors of this particular project. I'm the one who launched the the initiative and cause the conversations and because of that I've got to be there. Okay. Great. So it's KK of launchable and mark of my employer. Nobody's nobody's going to think that Mark's going to launchable that's not where Mark's going Mark. Mark's very happy at his current place. Good, good. And we are to show Mark. All right, so the next online meetup that we have a plan which is laid it for end of January the week of the 24th is the, the dev environment setup with only and Jean Mark and Mark and Darren. I have yet. Okay. There are no ready reply or. I have not as of yesterday not yet I don't think I have not checked this morning. So, and, and just so we're clear my expectation on that one is 45 minutes or more of it is probably really Hoffner. He has an entire course and set of students that depend on this infrastructure that he's just this setup he's describing. And, and he I suspect he doesn't dedicate an entire lecture in his course series to how do you use this well. So this, this, Jean Mark's and Darren's piece may be 10 minutes at the end may even be less than that. Okay. Okay, so it's only that I'll probably have to chase after for them, the main content, the abstract. All right. Okay. Moving on to the next item so content, moving content from Jenkins is the way.io to Jenkins.io. So I spoke with Gavin and he said that he said he's willing. He reviewed the content on Jenkins is the way.io and he feels that he can help with moving content over. But he just needs additional time to look at it more carefully, but just wanted to share it here as that's in progress. Great. Thank you so Gavin you've already connected with Gavin. Yes, I have. Bless you. That's wonderful. Thank you. So the next meeting, we're scheduled for December 30 and that's approaching New Year's. Shall we cancel it or shall we I will not be around. I will not be around. I will not be around to cancel. All right, so that's canceled. Okay, that's all on the agenda is there anything else that you wanted to add mention here before we drop. That's it. Thank you. Good.