 You're welcome back to the breakfast on plus TV Africa. It's now time for off the press and let's say hello to our guest Mr Demola Kimbola the publisher of the podium medium. Good morning. Thank you for joining us Good morning. Thank you for having me speaking. All right Let's start with the Daily Trust newspaper. The headline says Nigerians grown as cooking that's price keeps soaring marketers blame for X VAT low supply NNPC says will soon increase supply Above that headline on the Daily Trust Erufi mocks southern governors says anti-open Grayson law not implementable Nigeria sells four billion dollars euro bond it will ease pressure on the Naira Northern elders say how Buhari successor should emerge also restructuring JGAS6 scrapping of 24 states COVID-19 eroded 20% full-time jobs in 2020. That's according to the MBS and Lastly bandits outnumber security personnel. That's a statement by Masari and the governor and Emyah tells fair FG eliminate them at all costs All right Let's move to the nation newspapers Big one there says anti-open Grayson L. Rafa attacks southern governors They're making political law that can't be implemented. He says Aggrieved or your PDP members plan parallel Congress and also bearer for on the basic canoe on the 16th of October Still on the nation this morning agency says 1.8 million people fully vaccinated in Nigeria Jagat Uthomi and others float rescue Nigeria project It's an interesting conversation Buhari six removal of ministers from NNPC limited board and also NBS report 20% of Nigerians lose jobs to COVID-19 Government raises four billion dollars euro bonds to finance 2021 budget and under Value-added tax controversy Says that controversy lingers multiple cases create uncertain to your collection and sharing of August remittance Also, Nigeria security threats complex as the IG Finally Oshoom makes 19 billion Naira from internally generated revenue Let's take a look at the leadership newspaper 36 days after assets PNB six amendments to PIA Says acts makes no provision for federal character political appointees as board members Ignores outcry over 3% for host communities Nominates board members for upstream regulatory commission EFCC others experts react Tension in Kutangura over selection of new emir Flarge displaces several families in rivers corporate bodies security agencies and DOS editors conference PDP convention Ali would do more so others worn against imposition The Shimbaj Roy here says and tells African leaders that our Nigeria's youth must be given jobs Northwest governors engage 3000 vigilantes to combat banditry Senate moves life imprisonment for kidnappers And now on the daily independent Jaga Ahmed Duke Utomi lead move to upstage the APC government Say in a potism lack of exclusiveness gave rise to agitations lamenting security collapse of economy despite claim of GDP rise Anti-open grazing laws on unenforceable or if I tell Southern governors says kaduna 10 billion Naira Katur Ranch will be ready in two years Delta assembly passes anti-open grazing bill also 2023 seeding presidency to North dangerous for Nigeria's unity says Ishe Sige Libel's any F spokesman Baba Ahmed northern irredentist Senate considers life imprisonment for kidnappers Proposes 30 year jail term for ransom collection and also why Chinese company abandoned work on a new Terminal not Laker Lagos Airport federal government frowns at people trying to get COVID-19 vaccination cards without jab And also again federal government plans to register new mobile phones before use Buhari writes National Assembly Sixth Amendment to Petroleum Industry Act, and I think one other here Sanus To stop cursing leaders because of hardship Mr. King well good morning to you. I think I would love to start with the new movement by a Tahiru Jaga Patutomi Donald Duke, and I'm not sure which I met this is It is called the Rescue Nigeria project. So let's start with that. I think this is like clockwork. We have this every four years How do you how would you take this one? I Was simply the air we go again Each time we get close to the election some form of a loose association springs up Tread me to challenge the status quo But unfortunately experience has shown That's at the end of the day Disagreements over sharing our positions Ideologies and stuff like that often score to such plan I believe this is too late for 20 three if we're going to set a Difficult to be serious about the rescue Nigeria project through the project process then we should be working towards 20 Positions have been taking sources have been mobilized. I do not know what they can do in the next three years and It will take them time actually to bring on board a lot of people Game changers I call them in the political landscape It should take me a lot of time to convince them to come on board So I think for 2023 was talking with APC PDP We've always said they are the same and we first have to meet you with one of them I agree and I support the initiative for a third Platform which would be different from what we are used to But I also know that in Nigeria the reality of students political parties particular platform put a lot of money a lot of money and If these guys are not careful they're going to print on board people strange best fellows Ideological strength best fellows and that's who definitely is caught to whatever dream that they have So in theory is a good idea. That should be worked upon against 27 Because we need to them have a lot of skill mobilization across the country But if you ask me, we need an alternative to APC PDP. Yes, we do Yeah, is it also interesting seeing at a hero Jaga as one of the power of this movement Yes, it is. I mean I was shocked. I was shocked like they will say in the In the local streets palace of Nigeria. It shocked me seeing Jaga there Contrary to the role it plays just exactly as I know chairman and you begin to wonder Isn't there something in his contract that will have prevented him from going into active Politician maybe within 5-10 years of living office that I think we should consider because He comes with a lot of insight into how the electoral process works. Okay, and whether these things that are going to be used To the president of the country or not It is something else that needs to be looked into. But yes, he is welcome Consumption allows it and then let's get close Really, I look at all of people there What's political waste to the carry? I mean how they can win elections in front of policy Holy votes. Okay, so police isn't idea. It's it's it's funny Because the way to structure whatever like it or not is still cash and carry. It's unfortunate But as a truth you need someone to mobilize mobilizing in this case means giving voters money to vote for you It's not something we should be proud to say, but that is the side of reality of a political system So where these guys are going to be able to amass enough Work chest enough resources to fight APC PDP between now It is good for us to have this discussion. Let it be going on. Okay, but we do not need to phone us I'll be before we know that we need another 18 APC Don't forget in 2015 or so. We are the So that the rotary we had all of them coming together, but it never works. Why because they brought together people who are different ideologies So maybe the leftist maybe it's the time has come for us to have a leftist political party So basically APC PDP we can we see there was conservative Rightist party. We need a genuinely leftist party to look at issues from a different aspect to so until the years it's a welcome idea That we should but we should look at 27 Okay, so another big story that we've really talked about for a long time and even over a decade is the petroleum industry act the good thing how this all skewed through but One of the challenges regarding this is the outcry by host communities over the 3% That they were to get they were really pushing for this to be increased and there were conversations about the amendment You know amendment to the PIA to give this host communities a bigger share of the cake But 36 days after the ascent of this PIA on the daily the leadership newspaper says that President Muhammad Abu Harry has written to the Senate seeking amendments to that act and the amendments he's talking about here really is about His intentions to increase the number of people the membership of the board of the Nigerian ministry man down some regulatory Authority so people are saying here that it seems that the priorities of the president is misplaced He's amendment the amendments that he's seeking and regarding the PIA are simply political regarding You know membership of boards and that the team that really has been hurting the people regarding You know what they should get the president has remained silent about that So I want to get your thoughts regarding and the PIA and the amendments Okay, now some people have said his government steps and What the president has done By seeking this so-called amendment Confirmed that notion that his government is truly deaf and is sensitive to the genius of the people I would have thought a listening government says it's an opportunity to take this big Assembly Organize take hold of consultations across the country incorporate all of the objections the concerns of those communities and let the bill be re-debated all over again And of course we said this man has simply is the I mean Left TV and sometimes I get constrained by the words I hear But really this is an assembly. It's the most irresponsible. It's the most irresponsible It is on representative of the wishes of the people Okay, everywhere at this bill that's been discussed people have come out to make To register serious objection if the bill is going back to the Senate I will have a specific decision guys. This is the good opportunity. We have to arise the wrongs of The previous bill these are for saying we have to go back to our constant units and ask them again for their input And how do we factor in this input into this new bill because for me it's like we're starting all over again If it took us over 19 or 20 years to get to this stage then we better get it right It's an opportunity for us to ride around We did say when this day was signed that a lot of loose trends So I Providence the president is taking the pattern assembly from God's face the Senate should not just for past time They are making presents is taking the notion assembly should take his time to incorporate all of the concerns of the communities Because these are not civil laws concerns. This is a very valid and intimate concern that need to look into So I'm happy that we have the will of opportunity to take another look at this day But we should not waste the suppositions because once the window is closed against we end up having a law That the stakeholders or those who are meant to benefit from it. They are not proud of it They are not going to support it and then of the day it will be 20 or 21 years wasted So it's an opportunity that we must maximize to incorporate all of those Amen Suggesting all right now. Let's move to Well, another very very big story that has you know being across the country in the last few weeks And that is the anti-open open grazing bill the governor of Cajunas state Is in the news on the nation this morning says Anti-open grazing error fire tax southern governors saying that the bill is not implement able And whatever it is that they are doing in their state houses of assembly might be a waste of time What are your views on this I Would have loved every fight to tell us what he meant by it is not implementable if properly constituted was to who structures As represented by the House of Assemblies if they deputed according to the Constitution and they have come up with laws that Governors have signed every fact I'm not saying Katuna. I'm telling them that it's not implementable if he states Doesn't want to go in that direction. That's fine And it goes to question the point because of our structuring I do hope you have time to discuss fat also Unless we go back and revealed Constitution we are just talking and clowning around That is the basis of all these arguments. We do not have the country We do we are a loose federation made up of states Jocelyn For economic and political we do not have a country so the Constitution needs to be revisited and if What we help us is for for to go back to return and isn't so be it Definitely what we asked today is not working. It's not working. I Can afford to say what he's saying. He's a man that so much as I've been honest knows there Children make it not every day as if it's done. I see there's no body this And you come up to say what other governors of court in this process like As yourself what they are thinking that I'm trying to put up on is not implementable. I'll be the one that will tell them what is Anybody who has any objections to go to the Supreme Court Steps like that are reckless. Did you know her because of the use of the country? And I think it was just played to the gallery quite frankly Okay, um on the nation newspaper still on the screen as a Tory story on the top left Corner it says MBS reports 20% Nigerians lose jobs to COVID-19 So the United Nations Development Programme UNDP and the National Bureau of Statistics MBS came together To you know release an assessment of the COVID-19 impact on businesses in the year 2020 They discovered that lots of businesses have been shots and they've not been able to open since then and that lots of people have Really gone out of jobs. Basically the way the leadership newspaper put it is that two of ten Employed Nigerians are out of jobs in the year 2020 Mr. Kimola. Yes, you're not in Nigeria, but you follow the news and you understand what it is like for many people here in the country So, how would you say, you know, is your own assessment of the impact of COVID-19 on businesses in the country? Businesses been impacted seriously by COVID-19. Yes, so I was employment. I'm not aware that the federal government will train staff I'm not aware that state governments in print Retrain staff. So we're talking about yes, the ability of the average Nigerian to do this or a business to make money has been impacted 20% I Do not know how they arrive at Africa, but the truth that we cannot shy away from in fact all over the world COVID-19 have slowed down economic recovery in developing countries. What? Even in developing countries, even in the U.S. Government employment. What about private workforce for companies who couldn't continue to pay salaries or continue to thrive? That 20% might fall under under that spectrum It's not impossible The MPF report says that this really wasn't focused on on government, you know, we never mentioned the government It's about private enterprises in Nigeria The report says that it interviewed over 3,000 businesses from both the formal and informal sectors. So that's what the report is saying Okay, so that's headlined by the nation is misleading because when you talk about employment, employment in the district sense of it means Employment That doesn't take away from the fact that COVID-19 has affected a lot of people all over the world and For the U.S. economy, the saving grace has been that the government has been able to come to the rest of the people I think so far there have been about four or five Checks that have been given to families to help them push in the effects. So yes And Yes It doesn't take you away from the fact that businesses in Nigeria Because of any Because of How Okay, all right Was I came well another thing another story in the papers this morning on the daily independent top-right corner It's talking about a 2023 presidency this time by you know, I believe a former friend of the current administration is shagging I say and he says seeding presidency to North dangerous for Nigeria's unity So I want you to quickly respond to that it also says that he labels any of spokesperson Baba Ahmed a northern irredentist They have been you know, a couple of these conversations lately on you know, whether there should be proper zoning a ring bent if a Southerner should be led to you know to you know take over presidents in 2023 Maybe also to the southeast and some of all of that but it's just like it says it is dangerous to seed it to the north once again Yeah, of course, I mean Hold on Why Of the situation is that Everything One of the main business in second to the PI and is that it doesn't make room for further So it means we are since talk with it not as a site device and Professor Saga is just saying the obvious Everybody in the south wants power to come back to the south 80 years of the north is where we are the country. Let's try this out And if they're going to stay where the government has come out If any of the parties in peace a not a candidate the stars will know first The government might as well be a coin popular sentiment On the street of labels And People are saying it's time for So It's safe of disease After 61 years The idea is the entire street, the idea is blazing. Let's look for the best man for the job. Whether it comes from the North or from the South. That is the kind of discussion or conversation that wants us to be having at this point. Consumers have bad things, man. Okay, so if the South says it must be a certain president. And at the end of the day, we can't find someone who says they are going to say, oh, because it's our turn, we have to put someone there. So, but like someone also said, we will find competent people in the South and find competent people. So, taking off from that premise, I can't be partying with the Prime Minister, I'm very transparent, but everybody should be anchoring to be part of the process. Whether you are from the North or from the South, everybody should go in there and let the public candidate be mine. Then the electorals will now be left to do the job. Like I said, there's no difference between the South and the Queen. But at the end of the day, we are forcing for, I mean, there are APC or PDP, they are the same. So, if we are not a candidate of APC, South and United from PDP, it doesn't really matter whether we're voting for the candidate. So, in a lot of sense, maybe we will make a selection for Franklin. Okay, I want you to give us your thoughts regarding this issue on the Senate. The Senate considers life imprisonment for kidnappers and then proposes 30 years jail term for ransom collection. So, even those who go ahead to pay ransom would get some jail term and those who kidnap people would get some jail term. Do you think this would have any effect in curbing, the menace of kidnapping and insecurity in Nigeria? Or do you think we should just tackle the issue? And on the other hand, beyond passing these views into law, talking about implementation. Well, I would have said, if you kidnap and you're victimizing the process, you should free the family score, okay? Sometimes you need to come up with capital punishment to address the lane-brain problem in society. If you kidnap and you're victimizing the process, you should also die. If you kidnap and your victim is rescued then go for life imprisonment. I do not think those who pay ransom should punish. Hey, in the failure of the system that people are agreeing to pay ransom, the police will come out and say, oh, no ransom was given, I can't explode. Let that be the end of the rescued, kidnapped, victim, people pay ransom. But of course, you want to keep it as a depressed. So, if you now want to punish those who are paying ransom, then how do you want them to rescue their victims? Because it has come evidently clear that these things cannot save people, kidnapers are on rampage, mercenaries in the same bandit are remembering security personnel that have never had that before, okay? So, it means even the government are helpless. So, if people need to pay ransom to rescue their loved ones, so be it. They should be spared, but the kidnaper and the associate should save the full amount of money. Okay. Right here. All right. I think you can also quickly share your thoughts on the Nigerian government raising $4 billion euro bonds to finance the 2021 budget. Quickly share your views on that one. Yeah, it is. It's on the nation. It's on the state level. One, it's a good development, it's meant for the rest of the city to have confidence in their money. Creatives are going to save people. We don't have to borrow money. I don't have to finance the budget. We have so many things that we have to protect. I don't have to do that. Income has been done. Yeah, we are. And you do not have to collect money. Okay. A lot of things. COVID-19 also has affected government activities to end. So, there's no way government will not borrow. But what we're saying is that when you borrow, spend that money on things that will yield, when I think that we need you to borrow things. Don't borrow to pay political fiscal debts. Don't borrow to fund elections. Don't borrow and frame it away on productive stocks. Borrow to fund infrastructures of government that will lead to revenue generation. There's something wrong with that. It's okay to borrow. It's not like that. You are borrowing in a sensible way. So, it's a good way of paying. Focus on the lack of money. One only goes to this money which will yield. It's not, if you can evade it, that will restrict the monitoring of the projects that you want to use to fund. So, it's a way of going forward as far as I'm concerned. All right. Thank you very much, Mr. Adem Olaik and Olai this morning. I wish we had enough time to actually talk about all the story on the daily independence. That says San Nusi from Miami of Canada is asking Nigeria to stop cursing leaders because of hardship and instead pray for them and have hope. But sadly, we don't have enough time to go into that. Well, thank you very much for coming on the break for this morning. Thank you, Anata. Thank you, sir. Have a good day. I love you. You too, sir. Thank you. So, we're going to show a break here and return for today in history. Stay with us.