 Angiang, dog? We want to come later, try. Later for dinner? Don't cook for us, we want to come later with our friends and see. We don't kill chickens. Chickens are our friend. Okay, so enjoying Bali, yeah? Absolutely. Love it? Okay, so what we're talking about today is a bit of a scandal. I was in a bit of a buzz a few months ago. The Bali dog meat scandal, did you hear about it? Kate probably did, she's a big Bali fan. I didn't hear about it. They've been serving people with other animals, but it's actually been dog meat. Since Wednesday's happening, where is this happening? In Bali. Really? So what was happening is some pet dogs were going missing and some stray dogs were going missing and they were being poisoned with Sosinide and then they were serving them up as other animals in restaurants. I know I did hear about that. So you wouldn't know what animal you were eating. Because dog meat is cheaper. It's cheaper, yeah? Yeah, right. Because a dog meat's actually cheaper. I can imagine it's because there's a lot of stray dogs in Bali. Yeah, so they poison them with Sinide and then they're serving them up to people with different animals. So we're basically eating Sinide, which is a killer drug. As well. But we're more focusing on the part that it's a dog. Would that make you feel uncomfortable if you found out that it was a dog? Very uncomfortable, yeah. Do you're a dog lover, yeah? Yes, I love dogs. Yeah. That's curry. Curry? Like soup, like soup. Soup, okay, okay, okay. Okay. With the rice? We have with the rice later? So how would you feel if you were served up, say, beef and it turned out to be a dog? Mortified. Mortified. Mortified. Mortified. Why? Why was that? Well, A, for the poor dogs. You don't want to be eating them. And B, you just don't want to be eating dogs. I'd like to know what I'm eating. Yeah, you'd like to know what you're eating. Do you think there's a difference between a dog and a pig? I actually do think there is a difference. Yeah. That makes one happen. There's not many people that have pet pigs. Yeah, yeah, true. And pigs are more farmed. Farmed. And no one farms a dog. Yeah, true. That's my theory. So that's why one's okay to kill and one isn't? Oh, yeah. So you think that the dog's life matters more than the cow's life, do you think? Oh, this is where we're going. Oh, here we go. I'm not a vegetarian. I'm not a vegan. I know a lot of people in this part are, but... Yeah. We've just got in our heads that dogs are pets, you know? That's what we've been brought up. Yeah. So because dogs are our pets, they shouldn't be eaten. But if a cow was someone's pet, that particular cow shouldn't be eaten. I've never heard of cows being pets. We're trying to find out if there's a moral difference between a dog and a pig, because people get all rowed up about dogs. We're trying to find out the psychology behind it, whether you think one's life matters more. Well, one does it a little bit because it's your pet, your animal, your family. Yeah. What if it's not your pet? It's just a... Yeah, but then, see, that's still different to someone else's pet. Yeah. But the pigs are a different totally from box of frogs. Box of frogs. Yeah. Awesome, awesome. You know? Always knowing that cows are for milking, pets, dogs are for your pets. Dogs are for patting, cows are for eating. Cows are for milking, I said. Cows are for milking. What do you think about culling kangaroos? What do I think about culling kangaroos? I personally... I don't agree with it, I think... I guess Australian... You're Australian, I'm guessing. Yeah, where are you from? That's Australian emblem. Yeah, where are you from? Australian's cull kangaroos. Yeah, I think that's a bit weird, man, myself. I don't agree with it, I. Do you? Oh, I half agree, because they're pests. Yeah. Like, maybe back in the day, they were our emblem and they weren't pests, but now they're pests to some of the society. Like, same as stray cats. They went into wild cats and then there are wild cats destroying our native land in Australia, destroying our native little indigenous species. So if the dogs here were pests, it would be okay to round them up and... Oh, it's the same as crocodiles. Yeah. In Darwin. Yeah. They cull crocodiles in Darwin. Yeah. Do you think that's okay? Yeah, the song is... Well, there's every animal, we're like... Yeah. Probably humans are pretty over-gone and... We're pests, hey! We're pests ourselves in killing... What you're saying, we're also pests ourselves, because we're killing these animals using the thinking we should let them survive, but... Yeah. So we're also a pest. We are, we are. But it wouldn't justify killing a bunch of humans because we're pests, would it? Like, we'd find another way. Well, who knows? Like, it's exactly what humans are doing. We're killing these pests. Yeah. So if someone was a predator to us, they'll be killing us, but we're the hierarchy and the smartest to not kill them. Yeah. My whole life I was brought up to believe that dogs are friends, pigs to be eaten, cows are for milking, and then I sort of had this awakening and I thought, wait a second, from the pig's eyes, do you think that they want to be eaten just like the dog doesn't? Absolutely. Probably not, no. They don't. No, I don't think so. Have you ever thought about that? Yeah. Definitely thought about it. Yeah, 100%. We've got more empathy, you think? We've got empathy as human beings. But we've got more feelings and we've got more smarts. Yeah. Do you think if we use our empathy more we could dictate through these matters easier or more compassionately? Yeah. Yeah, you probably could. Like, if we cared for a pig or if we cared about pigs, it's like we do dogs, maybe we wouldn't put them in these slaughterhouses and stuff, maybe. Yeah, it depends how it's brought up though, like if you're bringing a pig up to be, that's our food. Like, we've got to survive a way as well. They bring dogs up to be food too, but you wouldn't think that that's okay, no. So I don't think that's okay. The general idea we're getting from people, except for one person, is that they would be upset if they found out that it was a dog because they have emotional attachment to it, but other animals, because we've been brought up. I think that's what it is, just being brought up, knowing that we're feeling like dogs are your pets. Yeah. Do you think that's, like, a weird part of our psychology? Yeah, absolutely. Yeah, for sure. Do you think that's a weird part of our psychology that we haven't addressed yet? See, but that's just because how we've been brought up. Yeah. It's all the way people are brought up with generations over generations is way, like there's still cannibals out there in the world. There is, and they've probably been brought up like that, eh? Definitely. But that doesn't make it okay to be terrible. It doesn't make it okay, but that's what I'm saying. It's okay to their mind. It's like, it's okay to my mind to eat pigs. But in the pigs' mind, pigs you don't want to eat in the pigs' mind. Like, what do you think? In the pigs' mind. Like if you look at that from the pigs' perspective, that's what we're trying to do. Yeah, we'll see. I've been brought up in my generation, my way of thinking. I think it's okay to eat a pig. Yeah. Wow. Pigs are farmed. Pigs are not a dog, but not a dog. No, but not a dog, because I've obviously been brought up. I have a pet dog. Yeah. So I'm not going to eat my pet dog. So do I. So I'm not going to eat someone else's pet dog. I'm not going to eat a dog. Fried? It's tasty. You would agree that maybe all animals across the board are like dogs in the way they don't want to be killed. Yeah, for sure, but it's just the way that like everyone's been brought up that like, you know, dogs are your pets. You treat them this way and you don't eat them. I agree. Absolutely. That's your perspective on it. I know there's vegetarians, there's vegans, and they have their own different perspective. Yeah. Everyone's got their own opinion. Yeah. And everyone can think their own thing. I'll leave you with this. If it's not, let's just say it's not for any other reason. Yeah. And if you look at it from the animal's perspective, whatever animal it is, would that change the way you think about it? We'll think about it. So I was coming from Copenhagen in Thailand. Yeah. Catching a ferry to the main Thailand. I've seen about 13 pigs crammed into a little thing each. That is wrong. I think that's wrong. Why though? Because that's true to the animal. Yeah. Like this animal is still alive and that's been cruel. Yeah. Australia. Western Australia. You don't think we treat animals cruel in Australia? Well, they might do. I've never seen it with my own eyes. Would you ever think about not eating animals or it's just too far out of it? We pretty much only eat the occasional. Yeah. We don't eat much meat at all. Wow. Wow. That's cool. So it would be pretty easy just to say, hey. Yeah. Well what? We eat chicken for convenience. They don't hide it here as much. It's out in the open more, yeah? Yes. I've never seen it. Okay. Okay. But you think that those pigs in those cages they deserve moral treatment, yeah? I do. Yeah. So maybe do you think like they deserve to be treated as food then? Even if they don't deserve to be in a cage, maybe they deserve more moral treatment. They're still, they're getting, they're not happy and getting, they're getting tortured, crammed into a little cage. A bolt gun in the head and a knife across the throat though, if they were treated nicely. But they're getting killed. They're done. They've survived over thousands of years. True. If you want to change it, you can change it. That's every person's opinion. It's their, like, it's their choice sort of thing. Like whether they contribute to it or not. Yeah. Like it's your choice, it's my choice. Yeah. What would your choice be to contribute to it even if you don't have to? Well my choice, I'm not going to lie to you. So I ate meat, ate everything. So, I'm contributing to all these bad things that are happening. Yeah. But that's my choice. Would you ever change that or? I'd probably never change that. I wasn't certain of that. I used to eat meat all the time and then I had this bit of a weird, it was awakening and I was like, well, I don't have to. What am I doing it to and for? And I sort of like, I changed because I had an awakening, but you're certain that would never happen with you? I'm pretty certain it would never happen to me. All right. Because here in Bali, there's heaps of vegan places where... Yeah. They always notice. Yeah. Like all Buddha's well, there's heaps of vegan places. Yeah, it's great. And like knowing that, yeah, knowing that you might be more vegan sort of options. Yeah, yeah. We do anyway. You do anyway. Wow. We're tofu rice paper rolls for lunch. Boom. As sad as it is, as bad as the world is. Yeah. But it's fucking worse humans out there than us. There is. There is. Probably doing worse things to humans and then every animal in the whole world. True. Every human, every animal, every everything. I'm not here to say anyone's a bad person. It's more like, yeah, yeah. I'm not one to judge. What do you draw the line? How much better can you make yourself? Maybe stabbing animals to death for sandwiches could be somewhere to draw the line. Maybe you don't necessarily stabbing an animal to death like you're murdering. No, no, no, no, no. No, no, no, no. But secondhand it sort of is, isn't it? Sort of. Well, it is. Without still doing the most biggest humane way possible. Yeah, but we don't even see it. So how do we know how humane it is? Yeah, but you know humans are the most fucked up things on the world. And on the back we do it like a little challenge, 22-day challenge. Aren't we? Yeah, if you look at our actions. Are we or are we not? We can be the most compassionate as well. We kill humans, we kill animals, we kill everything. Everything in our past will kill. But we can also be the worst. We can also be compassionate as well. We can also be. I know this. So that's why we're trying to reach out to people and see if they have that capacity, which I think we all do. Yeah, well, I do, but I'm still going to stick to my certain, I'm not going to stop eating meat just because of the animal. Just because how somebody else will treat their animal. There's the pack of barley-dogs and over here are beautiful cows. These cows will all be eaten, that will be killed. Oh, I'm giving a If I'm giving a what when I'm half a No, yeah, now but, keep it as an idea. And XBOX. You know what? my Rustelarnish. Awesome. Dank seats for your time girls. I appreciate it a lot. So gentle and vulnerable, innocent. What's the difference between a dog and a cow? Okay, this is what I'm trying to get through to people. Thanks for your perspective, man. You had an interesting perspective on it, and I'll leave you this card. You can look at it. You don't have to look at it, but there's some information on there. And on the back, if you feel like doing a little challenge where you don't eat meat, you can go for that. But if not, it was a good conversation, brother. Thanks heaps, man. Thanks heaps. I appreciate that. No worries. See you later. I'll come back later.