 Yeah, thank you that that division. I mean the Enlightenment anti-enlightenment Stricts me is really important and What I noticed people do I mean you've commented on the show about people jumping to dichotomies and and wanting to dichotomize everything and not You know seeing there more than two options At the most fundamental level they're always gonna be two options, but what I find rare Is that the things that are conceived as the two options in the culture are the right to and that they map to What I think are the most fundamental ones and what really? Strikes me about Rand's work is the way she kind of cuts through to what really is the essential issue Or at least challenge you to think that what what seems to be what's presented as a divide might not be and I think One of the reasons why I love your program so much is that your The person in the world today who I think is the most doing that Who's noticing the you know, it's not right versus left. It's not this versus that it's not Where you might think is so how do you I Mean is there anything to say about avoiding being sucked into the false dichotomies and finding where the real dichotomy is Yes, I mean I think that's a big challenge and it's it's a big challenge in the world out there and and again It's it's what everybody wants you to fall into and what I think most people do even most objectives Sadly, but I think I ran taught us this. I mean she and you know, I find it Wrong to compare anything I do time and because if you look at a cultural commentary in the 60s the 70s It is such a work of genius and it is so deep and it's philosophical and psychological and every time I read it It's like, oh my god, it I learned something new even if I read an essay 20 times I learned something new from reading it again because of just a way She has a unique way of looking at the world and finding those essentials and disentangling things that look like a mess but then Showing you a perspective on them that you would have never imagined and here I think because she was a novelist She has this psychological dimension. It is so unique and I think I Don't have it. I think I think it's very rare to find somebody who has That dimension on top of everything else. So she can say things about the motivation of people that I find very difficult to say but But yes, I think I meant taught us and Leonard pickup. They both taught us how to that it isn't the conventional way of looking at the world is wrong that the conventional way even You know, even though and and that you always have to look at the world fresh and and you always have to think about things in terms in terms of Fundamentals and you know, again, I have to give credit to a lot of the intellectuals because I'm kind of the spokesman But there's a sense of spokesman because I don't really speak for them But there's a lot of people like you and like on-car and like terror who's here in Texas and others who are doing the philosophical work behind That I then latch on and and and take the principles and apply them And you know, I spend a lot of time with on-car so over the years when I was at the Institute I've learned a lot from him and I think he is very good at catching a lot of these false dichotomies and false options and he's taught me to do that but But yes, I mean, I think it all goes down to looking at what is the fundamental behind Behind what is going on. So, you know that the traditional left versus right, right? So Democrats Republicans Once you understand once you once you dig a little bit into what they're actually advocating Once you dig it a little bit into into what are they even just a level of policy what they actually actual policy Prescriptions are once you dig into a little bit of that then you see collectivism on both sides And we know collectivism as opposed to what we are So if they're both collectivists, and are they really opposed to one another they aren't some dimension It's not I don't think they're the same. They obviously have collectivism is not one thing It's it's a variety of different applications of collectivism But the contrast is not each other the contrast is what we are and that's individualism. So the real You know political spectrum the proper political spectrum is individualism is collectivism And then maybe the collectivism forks into five different types of collectivism But it's basic and some of them are associated with the right and some of them associate with the left But then this but they're all collectivism and they're distinctly different from one another, but they're not individualism clearly They're not individualism. So once you can see behind What's going on? Once you understand it's ideas and it's fundamental ideas. I think it's much easier to to untangle These kind of issues and you can come to particular issues particular debates whatever is going on in the in the news with Your diagnosis in hand of what the essence is of the factions are so you can you know have indications of where you'll expect them to go Thank you for listening or watching the Iran book show if you'd like to support the show We make it as easy as possible for you to trade with me You get value from listening you get value from watching Show your appreciation you can do that by going to your own book show comm slash support I go to patreon subscribe star locals and just making a appropriate contribution on any one of those any one of those channels also if you'd like to see the Iran book show grow Please consider sharing our content and of course subscribe press that little bell button right down there on YouTube So that you get an announcement when we go live and for you those of you who are ready Subscribers and those of you who already supporters of the show. 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