 was still on the breakfast in Plasti Biafrica. We look at the issue surrounding the unveiling of Kashima Shatimar, the running mate for the APC, running mate to Bola Amatunubu right there. Now on Wednesday the Christian Association of Nigeria distanced itself from the bishops who went to the presentation of Kashima Shatimar, the APC vice presidential nominee claiming there desperate people who went there for themselves. The group claimed that even though Bola Amatunubu, the APC presidential candidate, was free to employ mechanics and other artisans and su clerical clothes for them, such effort would simply add to the enumerous burden that would not eliminate the demand for justice and fairness. We have a guest joining us this morning to help us understand what's really going on. Reverend Dr. Joseph Hayab. Thank you for having me. Good morning. All right. Dr. Hayab is the Secretary-General of Cannes in Kaduna. Am I correct? I'm the Chairman of Cannes Kaduna State. All right. Chairman of Cannes Kaduna State. Thank you so much. But can we quickly get the position of what's going on? Yesterday we saw, you know, there were pictures and also videos that made the rounds and the reaction came from Nigerians describing them as fake. They were imposters due to one or two reasons. Now we also hear that Cannes has said they're not, they don't know them. What exactly is, you know, the thoughts of Cannes nationally, not at the state level now, if you're previewed to that information? The Christian Association of Nigeria is not bothered about who attend what meeting. We are in a democracy and every Nigerian has a freedom of association. But when politicians will go and recruit artisans to disguise themselves or to wear a castle as priest and as bishop is unfortunate. Today we are battling with the story of unknown gunmen in Nigeria. Now we also begin to have unknown bishops because if you are a bishop, you must have a cathedral. You may have an assembly that you are a bishop in church. We don't know where they are. Even the one of them who happens to speak up wouldn't say he's a pastor of any church. He simply says he's the executive director of one Muslim Christian that cannot be a church. So that does not make him a bishop. I think we are making mockery of all this exercise by desperation. The other time we were told how the same APC presidential candidate was parodying an old photo of Catholic bishops in Meduguri that they have in those chatima and the Catholic bishop conference came out and refuted it. So what exactly is this desperation all about? Was you impersonate people just because you want to show that you have a wider support? If what you have done is right, then let's test it and see whether people will support you. Well, so what's the position of, you know, Cannes as regards the Muslim-Muslim ticket ahead of the 2023 presidential election? I have said that in a tense country like Nigeria, a divisive country like Nigeria, Cannes advised all the political parties to make sure that there is a religious balance and all the sensitivity is taken into consideration. But the APC candidate failed not to do that. And when he came out with his excuse, he said that they were looking for competence. And some of us just ask this question. Are you saying that all these northern Christians, professors, we don't have anybody that's competent? All these northern politicians, we don't have anyone that is competent? But that's a flimsy excuse, a lame one for that matter. But this whole exercise that now they are now beginning to bring artisan to become bishop, can you do that to another fate in Nigeria and there will be no fire born in elsewhere in this country? Well, I mean, that's a rhetoric question. I know that you're not expecting me to answer all of that. Well, thank you so much. We have to go now. We appreciate your time, Reverend Joseph Hayab, for being part of the show this morning. Thank you for having me. Well, Reverend Dr. Joseph Hayab is the chairman in Kaduna state, and he's actually just stated the exact situation of things right here for us. We appreciate you. We take a break when we return. We'll be looking at another issue that plagues our country, I mean, the issue of funding for our educational sector. Stay with us.